How To Be the President's Kid
From Alice Roosevelt to Hunter Biden, we've never been sure how to reconcile American democracy with American dynasties.

Theodore Roosevelt was president at the start of the Celebrity Age, and at the start of much of the modern image of the presidency. The White House was just beginning to be called that (rather than the Executive Mansion); Roosevelt's renovations on the building created the West Wing. And his daughter, Alice, created one model for presidential relatives over the next century.
Aged 17 when her father became president, she was a gift to the Washington press corps. Photogenic and charming, she was nicknamed "Princess Alice" in the papers. She was invited to Edward VII's coronation (she did not attend), and the German kaiser had her christen his yacht. Her hobnobbing with royalty didn't sit well with her father's man-of-the-people pose, but he could do nothing to stop his daughter's fame.
According to White House Wild Child, Shelley Fraser Mickle's new biography of the presidential daughter, Alice's "celebrity had certainly surprised him. He hadn't seen it coming. Whenever Alice appeared, crowds gathered to cheer her. Dresses and gowns appeared in 'Alice blue.' Her face gazed out from cards packaging candy bars. Songs were written about her, and her picture was featured on their sheet music. Her face was centered on magazine covers." Mickle sees in Alice the forerunner of Jackie Kennedy, Princess Diana, and other trendsetting beauties and influencers.
The president was happy to deploy Alice tactically, to charm guests and diplomats. Such diplomatic tactics went the other way too: She was showered with gifts on foreign visits, gifts she referred to as her "loot." The Cuban government gave her a magnificent set of pearls for her wedding. The Foreign Emoluments Clause apparently didn't apply to her.
Taking advantage of her situation seemed only natural. Alice's father had to tell her not to ride the train without a ticket. (While presidents were entitled to free travel, their kids were not.) But this was when a presidential daughter might still jump on a train with friends, rather than be accompanied by a phalanx of Secret Service agents.
Mickle's book is part biography and part psychological study, the story of a woman growing up in impossible privilege but with a life marked by tragedy. At Alice's birth, her mother slid into a coma and died two days later. Theodore's mother died the same day, a double blow. He responded by avoiding his baby daughter, leaving her in his sister's care while he fled into his political work and to his ranch out west.
He reappeared in her life three years later to introduce her to a new stepmother. A clutch of younger siblings soon followed. Mickle makes much of how this must have damaged Alice, particularly her father's reluctance even to speak her name. (She had been named for her mother.)
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Mickle's book is a study in how a republic treats its leaders' families. The nickname "princess" shows the knife-edge between democracy and dynasty, a line that presidential families have struggled to walk ever since. Alice would have her debutante ball in the White House, and she wanted a new floor installed. She approached the speaker of the House, asking him to appropriate funds for this purpose. "Alice used her every ploy on him, enjoying her first taste of lobbying," Mickle writes, "but the Speaker held firm, refusing the funds."
She didn't get her way that time, but her desires were voracious. "I want more," she scribbled in her diary. "I want everything." She spent through her enormous allowance, and she saw nothing wrong with receiving high-value presents by dint of her position. Foreshadowing the practices of generations of socialites to come, "She tipped off newspapers about where she'd be and what she'd be up to, then pocketed the cash for the info."
She also enjoyed making a spectacle of herself and pushing boundaries. Driving around Washington with a girlfriend in a sports car, showing up at parties with her pet snake around her shoulders, smoking in public: She was attention seeking (and attention getting). "In one fifteen-month period," Mickle tells us, "she went to 407 dinners, 350 balls, 300 parties, and 680 teas, and she made 1,706 social calls."
Alice was determined to get while the getting was good, fishing for a husband in the pond of D.C.'s eligible bachelors. She wanted one with money, and one who could be president himself one day. Her goal was getting back to the White House. (Of course, she never did.)
She picked Nicholas Longworth, an Ohio congressman 15 years her senior. Their White House wedding was the social event of the season. But Longworth turned out not to be on the presidential track, and he was an unfaithful alcoholic.
Alice's life turned to disappointments. She became renowned for her caustic comments as she got older, and the wit did not disguise her bitterness. Her marriage was unhappy; her late-in-life child was the product of an affair. Her daughter died of a drug overdose in her 30s. Her father's presidency was always the golden moment she wanted to recapture. She continued to engage with the politics of the day, joining the fight against the League of Nations and later writing newspaper columns against her cousin Franklin's presidential candidacy. Richard Nixon was a friend for decades, and he invited her to his inauguration. She remained a Washington figure, still hovering in the orbit of those in power despite having no official role.
The legacy of "Princess Alice" raises questions we still grapple with today. How much should presidential family members trade on their name? Could that even be avoided? Of course, gifts and favors will materialize for those close to power, whether they're sought or not. Being whisked around by motorcade and private jet these days means there's no escaping their link to the president. It's easy, I'm sure, to lose sight of what's normal.
What we should accept as normal is itself an important question. With presidential son Hunter Biden in the news for crossing the line to the point of criminal indictment, we should think more seriously about where exactly that line should be drawn. There are few laws specifically dedicated to the activities of first family members. Should children be barred from particular careers? From running for office themselves? What about siblings? (When presidential kids aren't in the news, there are embarrassing presidential brothers in the Billy Carter mold.) Even when an activity isn't officially forbidden, the tang of shadiness or self-dealing will linger if a family member seems to be cashing in. Individuals may be chosen by the ballot, but they come with an unelected supporting cast.
Had her father not been president, Alice Roosevelt still would have made the society pages. She would have been a Park Avenue debutante. She would have been steered toward marriage with the scion of a prominent family, or perhaps a titled European. A future of philanthropic work and society events would await. But she would have wanted more.
White House Wild Child: How Alice Roosevelt Broke All the Rules and Won the Heart of America, by Shelley Fraser Mickle, Imagine, 256 pages, $27.99
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US House approves major military aid package for Ukraine
https://www.dw.com/en/us-house-approves-major-military-aid-package-for-ukraine/a-68877486
Uniparty strikes again for $61 billion to protect Ukrainian border. How much for the US border?
How much for the US border?
Answer: Zero
There is nothing in that bill to address what is happening at our border.
Borders are just imaginary lines. Except in Ukraine.
“Some say, ‘Well, we have to deal with our border first,'” Connolly said from the House floor. “The Ukrainian Russian border is our border!”
I guess we own Ukraine now?
I'm only somewhat disappointed on that.
Ok, then I get to pick out my own estate there. And I’ll take some oil wells while I’m at it.
Well, my opinion on Ukranians comes from the only one I've met. She's a bitch whore. She "married" a buddy of mine for a green card, claimed that all the people in South Dakota are racists because of what a drunk asshole at a bar she was waiterssing at said and then moved to Arizona to go to college. She told my buddy she would never live in South Dakota so he was making arrangements to have the business he started to be taken over and managed by another friend so he could live with his wife. As that plan moved forward she then told him she doesn't love him, will never respect him and won't have sex with him.
So my opinion is pretty low on Ukranians. I say fuck their little country and let Putin turn it into a fucking prison camp.
Sudden cultural enrichment by divisions of immigrants riding alongside armored food trucks.
Lol. It actually funds illegal immigrants.
Title III of the Ukraine Aid bill:
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$481 million for refugee and entrant assistance.
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The Administration for Children and Families gives this money to the NGOs coordinating the border invasion. Incredible. Thanks, @SpeakerJohnson
"I miss Speaker McCarthy" are words I never thought I'd utter, but here there are.
I guess the CIA will probably let Kelly Johnson go home now.
I saw a comment yesterday that they gave the speakership to Johnson as punishment for getting rid of mccarthy.
At least Gaza got another 9B from the air package to Israel.
And seeing almost every democrat waive the Ukrainian flag on the Senate floor was well... sickening.
Were they wearing kente cloth this time too?
Under their clothes ready to change into wokeman whenever something is unequal.
She also enjoyed making a spectacle of herself and pushing boundaries.
This line told me everything I needed to know about Alice Roosevelt.
I have no idea of what a child goes through when their father is POTUS (so far, only father - that will change). Psychologically, it (First Child) is a completely alien experience to the ordinary American. It is a completely different life. A lot of POTUS children have had issues adjusting to it. And life afterward. And it really is both sides (R and D children alike). That tells me that children are just children. It is sad, the 'First Child' really did not have a vote in the matter, they were along for the ride with Mom and Dad.
Speaking as a parent, I would not want that for my child.
For a good example, look at the children of British royals,
Seems like Fidel Castro's boy is making out pretty good up in Canada.
He got it all out of his system fucking students as a high school drama teacher's aide.
No really. That was his job before PM.
Well, that and a bit part in a CBC television miniseries.
Male students?
No, all girls.
I think Justin started cavorting with other men from a pursuit of sexual novelty rather than being actually gay. It's a recent thing. He goes to a lot of orgies and has developed a taste for molly, according to his ex-wife, a few reporters and members of his RCMP security. It doesn't get widely reported, but the stories do get printed now and then.
But his real kink has always been teenage girls.
Seems typical of leftists politicians. You Canadians really need to overthrow your government. After that, you should clean house and execute them all.
It could serve as an inspiration to other nearby countries as the proper way to handle their own Marxism problems.
You guys too.
Scepter as an American, I can’t directly say that legally. So instead I suggest other countries do this as ‘an example to other countries’.
‘Hint, hint’
‘except’.
Yeah but his performance in Zoolander was Oscar level shit.
according to the Biden administration, they are all the same now.
If they're young enough, the difference is trivial.
I doubt the people who seek that kind of power put their children first.
"we've never been sure how to reconcile American democracy with American dynasties"
When those two conflict, Koch-funded libertarians are firmly in the pro-dynasty camp.
This operation exists to promote policies that will benefit a member of a dynasty (Fred Koch's son Charles) but which have no chance of getting the support of a majority of voters. "Let's open the borders and abolish the minimum wage!" is the most obvious example.
It's odd that no days it's like the president children don't exist. Try getting the media to talk about Ashley Biden.
Yes, but Trump boasted about his kids looks, and the company his son-in-law works for got a big Saudi investment.
That's miles worse than inappropriate showers and selling influence.
To be fair, it is easier to do that with presidents as young as Obama, but he's an anomaly in press coverage anyway.
My nomination for the female Hunter Biden is Noelle Bush.
Why would a "libertarian" publication publish this, beyond the point that Katrina Gulliver seems to be a disaffected, obsolete misfit?
Why would a fascist like you care about what a libertarian publication would publish, other than to troll?
It is unfortunate that anyone would mistake or describe the positions of disaffected right-wing losers as libertarian. Some libertarians can be misfits and irrelevant malcontents, but libertarianism deserves better than the collection of conservative, faux libertarian culture war casualties that huddles for warmth at this fringe blog.
You’re not the future, YOUR future involves a dump truck depositing you in one of our nation’s landfills. Along with many of your fellow travelers.
And that's even if the elitists win.
The Soviet gulags were full of apparatchiks like Kirkland crying "If only Comrade Stalin knew!"
Oh yeah. A piece of shit like Arty is screwed either way. He’s either put down as a traitor by patriots. Or thinned out as dead weight by his Marxist masters.
I suspect I would survive quite a bit longer than him if they managed to consolidate their power. Same if the islamists ever took over.
More unfortunate still is your belief that you’re anything other than a cowardly bigot, Reverend, and I suspect that a cowardly bigot like you has never once had to defend his spineless chirping. Probably best that you never slink far from your keyboard.
He’s almost certainly mentally ill. Maybe senile, like Hank.
Admittedly I'm not familiar with all of Katrina Gulliver's work.
Can you quote any sentence she's ever written that matches the jaw-dropping idiocy of this:
I wouldn’t mind seeing Judge Barrett confirmed, if only because I believe it would precipitate the installation of four new, better justices during the first half of 2021.
I mean, can you imagine how stupid the author of that spectacularly failed prediction feels as we approach mid-2024 with no court-packing, indeed not even a con / lib balance shift ........ and Roe overturned and racial preferences gutted?
When an enlarged Supreme Court leaves you slack-jawed, Sandra, your betters will take that opportunity to shove even more progress down your bigoted, impotent, whining, right-wing mouth.
I will be enjoy a fine beer, perhaps in the company of other culture war winners.
Thank you for your continuing compliance with the preferences of your betters, clinger.
This is fucking weak sauce. Come back with better material.
“When an enlarged Supreme Court….”
Ok. So……. When? Seems like that would’ve happened by now. You know it’s not happening after orange man takes over in a few months.
I swear rev, I just don’t know why you and the betters continue to permit the clingers to carry on? Time is of the essence, old man.
If you don’t hurry, that “fine beer” is gonna turn out to be a bud light with rainbow haired 60 year old losers.
Haha. Yeah. That fits.
Yeah, Arty has been raving about court packing for at least four years now, maybe longer. And there is no serious suggestion that it will happen. At least not anytime soon.
Arthur, when you get bitchslapped by OBL, take the 'L' and move on.
Nobody is 100%. Even you. And it is funny AF.
Mike Johnson: This aid package is not a blank check
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6351326445112
Go fuck yourself Johnson. Another weak piece of shit.
Like extending copyrights to death + 95 years is a "limited time".
It is a blank check. There are uppers on it Biden can use to redirect even more funds to Ukraine. Johnson keeps hiding behind language of it being a loan but Joe can forgive 50% of the loan in November. Other 50% can be forgiven in 2026.
I actually met a young military age Ukrainian guy yesterday, sold him some excess equipment I had in the garage. Not very fluent in English but he told me Ukraine is "very corrupt" and that his wife and kids are living in Poland. He's trying to get into the trucking business and hoping to bring his family over if the governments let him. I'm guessing he's dodging the neocon meatgrinder. I wish him well.
Absolutely. And there is no oversight on how the money is spent. We’ve already seen the largesse the a Ukrainian government elites are bestowing upon themselves. I wouldn’t be shocked to find out that Zelensky has at least a few billion dollars of US taxpayer money stashed away.
I’m 199% certain that the democrats are getting huge kickbacks out of that money. Probably some scumbag RINOs too.
"Mike Johnson: This aid package is not a blank check"
Narrator: "It was, in fact, a blank check."
Reading here about Alice's taking advantage of her connections reminds me of nothing to much as Howard Stern's 20th Century on-air berating of his underlings for doing similarly. Stern wanted to keep things on the up-and-up; Biden just doesn't give a shit.
Oh look. One of the "fine people" is going to jail.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/charlottesville-tiki-torch-carrier-pleads-guilty-jan-6-riot-case-rcna148644
Clearly, he is just a 'political prisoner', a victim of Biden's Stasi.
Dykes for Trump? Looks like he's got the LGBT community on his side!
He also has the Cox vote locked up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Cox_(American_politician)
A chick stole a shield from a cop? Bet they laughed him out if the force.
I can’t wait till you filth get your turn.
You must be so hard by now.
I know you watched some of the video the J6 committee hid. I know you watched video of Jacob Chansley being taken on a tour by Hill Police before being imprisoned as the QAnon shaman insurrectionist. I know you watched video of FBI agents breaking windows, calling for insurrection, setting up fake gallows and planting bombs that day without ever being charged even though they were all identifiable. I know you know that the prosecution has deliberately witheld exonerating video for most of these cases. I know you know that the heads of the FBI and DHS have testified they had operatives in the crowd. I know you know that Pelosi refused the National Guard both before and subsequently that day. I know that you know that the Chief of the Hill Police that day has been telling anyone who would listen that it was all a fiddle. I know that you know that most of the tiki torch incidents turned out to be Lincoln Project NeverTrumpers astroturfing.
You know all that and yet here you are, in full masturbatory glee, celebrating the political prosecution of dissidents like the fat fucking Nazi you are.
Imprisoning a man for eight years for pushing a cop back. Nothing gets your fascist little dick harder.
You're absolutely fucking disgusting.
Guys, just look at the shit in NaziJeff's link:
"One group that he subscribed to, which called for violence and overthrowing the government by force, included a message that referred to a quote attributed to Adolf Hitler, prosecutors said."
Not quoted Adolph Hitler.
Not quoted a quote attributed to Adolph Hitler.
Not referred to a quote attributed to Adolph Hitler.
Not wrote a message that referred to a quote attributed to Adolf Hitler
No. He subscribed to a website which included a message that referred to a quote attributed to Adolf Hitler.
This is shit that not even Pravda or the Völkischer Beobachter would have had the guts to pull.
And here's kreemjeff authoritarian nazi lapping it up like spilled gravy.
Only the best people subscribe to websites that quote Hitler approvingly. Only the finest people.
Only the finest liars add "approvingly" to quotes they copy.
He really is a weasel.
I suggest you read the source material on this matter.
I suggest you look at what you quoted. No "approvingly" in sight. You added it, buster, no one else.
I added it because I read the source material.
Read the source material.
Did ML misquote your source material? Or are you up to your usual tricks of changing the context and snipping irrelevant pieces?
See. You're even worse than Völkischer Beobachter too.
He subscribed to a website which included a message that referred to a quote attributed to Adolf Hitler.
Fuck, that's something the NYT, USA Today, Reason and every other fucking newspaper on the planet is guilty of. Literally everyone you want to slime can be slimed with that idiocy.
And yet the rank fascist hypocrisy of it doesn't repell you. Just the opposite. You revel and delight in it.
It's not resorting to hyperbole when I call you a Nazi.
see, you didn't read the court documents, did you?
maybe you should read the primary source material before you make even more of an ass of yourself
It was right there in your link, shill. I quoted it verbatim.
Are you saying we shouldn't trust what the propaganda you post says?
Tell us, was Dykes one of the "fine people" that Trump referred to at Charlottesville?
Tell us, Lying Jeffy. What exactly did Trump say about “fine people”?
Do you have a quote you can share in full? Just a couple of sentences verbatim perhaps?
There is less connections required to link Jeff to child porn than he needs for this dumb attack lol.
Nazis won the war, for the record.
The ideological one.
lol, this is hilarious. You are literally repeating Tucker Carlson agitprop as fact.
Let's talk about your Qanon Shaman claim.
This is your highly misleading agitprop:
I know you watched video of Jacob Chansley being taken on a tour by Hill Police before being imprisoned as the QAnon shaman insurrectionist.
This is fact:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/12/politics/jacob-chansley-footage-tucker-carlson/index.html
Oh, but "prosecutors wrote"! That means they are lying! Except, if you watch even Tucker Carlson's selectively edited video, it is completely consistent with what the prosecutors wrote above.
Incidentally, ML, you think the media and the whole establishment is lying to you about what really happened on Jan. 6. Right?
Well, why do you think Tucker Carlson is telling you the truth? Why do you believe what he is saying about it? I'll tell you why: it is because he is telling you what you want to hear. You WANT to believe that your tribe is a bunch of peaceful patriots while the other side are horrible Nazi tyrants. And Tucker is more than happy to spoonfeed that narrative to you. Oh, but first you have to buy a subscription to his website! Cha-ching for him! When did you purchase your subscription, ML?
And the larger point here is this: Why are you attempting to justify rioting, vandalism and violence? Why do you want to excuse the bad behavior of your team? It is because you are the Nazi here, doing your own version of a Beer Hall Putsch. You see "the system" as corrupted beyond repair and you now advocate for violence to overthrow it. You're the violent fascist around here, not me. You're excusing what Dykes did above, who stole a police shield and used it to force his way inside. Is that what "political dissidents" do? Only if you think you're a Nazi being oppressed by the Weimar Republic.
You are literally repeating Tucker Carlson agitprop as fact.
It doesn't matter if it was the pope's agitprop, you fat fucking Nazi. IT IS FACT.
No matter how you twist, and pettyfog, and cast allusions and try to discredit the sources, it's all on video. Tucker Carlson didn't make that video. The capitol security cameras did.
Suppressed by your J6 Volksgerichtshof Sondergericht, but now available for anyone to view.
but “prosecutors wrote”! That means they are lying!"
And they were lying. They deliberately witheld the video evidence from his lawyers before the trail and deliberately lied about the sequence of events DURING the trial. Even though they had access themselves to all the video.
And now they're lying in an effort to save themselves from being disbarred and arrested, because what they did was as illegal as fuck.
Did you notice, Lying Jeffy, that they didn't present any video evidence for their claim? Even though Chansley was on camera from entrance to exit?
So even though they undisputedly lied about evidence and the sequence of events during his trial, you want us to believe that they magically started telling the truth just now.
Fuck that.
They are lying just like you are now. We don't call you Lying Jeffy for nothing, you off-market politruk.
So here you are lying and orgasming over the persecution of political dissent, like the fat evil Nazi you are.
(Oh, and if you're going to try and shit on Carlson for being an unreliable source, using a CNN link to do it is hilarious. Fucking retarded shill.)
It’s not fact. It’s agitprop. It’s Tucker’s commentary on edited video. Have you seen the full, completely unedited, uneditorialized video? No. So STFU.
Tucker Carlson didn’t make that video. The capitol security cameras did.
Tucker Carlson edited the video and told you what to think about it. Which you lapped up like the weak-minded pathetic fool that you are.
I also note that you fail to provide a link to the video. Why is that? It is because you don’t want anyone else to see how easily you are fooled by pathetic propaganda.
I think you are lying. I don’t believe a single one of your claims unless it is backed up by solid, concrete evidence from reputable sources.
Tell us again why you are attempting to excuse and justify rioting, vandalism, and violence.
It’s Tucker’s commentary on edited video. Have you seen the full, completely unedited, uneditorialized video? No. So STFU.
No it isn’t. Tucker didn’t give it a soundtrack you deceitful, evil fuck. YOU guys gave it a soundtrack.
It was your J6 Committee that dubbed audio of an angry riot onto video that had no sound, commissar. Not McCarthy and not Carlson. You guys.
"I think you are lying. I don’t believe a single one of your claims unless it is backed up by solid, concrete evidence from reputable sources."
The video is available all over the internet, completely audio free. That's the ultimate fucking source. Nobody needs Top Men to tell them what they see.
But look at you trying to pretend it was all spliced up and dubbed.
You know, you absolutely know you’re lying about this. But you so desperately want to see your political enemies arrested and killed, that you’re willing to take money and go to websites and lie about it.
This is why you are a Nazi.
You’re garbage, Jeff.
I didn’t say there was a soundtrack. I said it was Tucker’s commentary.
Where’s the video, ML?
Why are you trying to justify rioting, vandalism and violence? Is it because you believe yourself to be a 'revolutionary' akin to the Beer Hall Putsch fighting against the corrupt and decadent Weimar Republic?
The videos are available everywhere. They're on YouTube, X, Rumble, BitChute, Dailymotion, Tik Tok, Vimeo, Twitch, ad nauseam.
And I know you've seem them because we've linked many of them here, and you've commented on events in them.
So why are you lying about this?
Who do you imagine you're fooling?
There are many videos. So why don’t you link to the one that attempts to prove your claim.
And I know you’ve seem them because we’ve linked many of them here, and you’ve commented on events in them.
you’re pulling that out of your ass. this is a common tactic for you: shift the burden to try to evade having to prove your claim
Here's two hours worth of hill police body cam footage your kangaroo court hid, shitbag: https://rumble.com/v3jln62-j6-you-have-all-had-access-to-this-footage-and-you-are-now-on-notice.-this-.html
Here's a shorter clip from the security cameras of the protesters leaving the building because you'll complain about the length: https://rumble.com/v448elx-surveillance-video-more-police-brutality-as-j6-protesters-attempted-to-leav.html
It's all over the place if you use anything but Google.
But of course you knew that. So why the game of pretending it can't be found?
Did you really think I'd be too lazy to do a three second search and post some links, so you could get a "win" that way?
I'm just as committed to exposing you as a liar, as you are to lying, Jeffy.
Oh lol. Here you go dumping a whole lot of videos in my lap and demanding that I try to find whatever it is that you are trying to prove. No, asshole, it is your job to prove your claim and dumping a bunch of shit in my lap doesn't prove your claim. This whole discussion was about Jacob Chamsley, not some random other rioters.
And I have never seen those Rumble videos before. If you think I have commented on events in those videos, that is a lie. And why would you think I read Rumble anyway? Why do you think that everyone else is obligated to read your garbage sewer of filth that you all pretend is "news"? Gateway Pundit - really?
I am actually shocked that you bothered to provide any links at all, but they still don't prove your claim. Try again, liar.
Here is the reality, I suspect:
ML hasn't seen any of these other completely unedited raw videos either, he has only seen the one that I have seen, which was edited by Tucker and has his commentary on it telling the viewer what to think.
You mean you hope, not suspect.
This is the point where Jeff gets a little nervous and decides to move the goalposts a little and plant his own narrative about our exchanges, in the hopes of not looking like a complete ass.
Have a look: "Here is the reality, I suspect"
Yup, he's going to move them.
"he has only seen the one that I have seen"
Jeff has seen more than one. In fact he's seen dozens. I know because I've showed him dozens and he's clicked on all of them in an effort to discredit what they showed. Jeff is doing his favorite thing in the whole world to do - lying.
"which was edited by Tucker"
Here Jeff is doing his second favorite thing, which also happens to be lying. Tucker didn't "edit" any of the videos. They showed clips but they did not edit the videos. Not even the Democrats or Media Matters claims that, so Jeff is really being a pioneer liar here. Moving into new territory.
Now Jeff is definitely going to come back and say "showing excerpts on TV instead of hundreds and hundreds of hours of surveillance and body cam footage all at once is editing".
And so I ask that before he does that he read the wikipedia page on editing so I don't have to waste time listening to him lie about that too.
"and has his commentary on it telling the viewer what to think."
This is, of course, his third favorite thing to do, which is insinuate for the purposes of... yep, lying. The J6 bodycam and surveillance footage links I posted immediately above put paid to that lie.
But let's suppose that it didn't for a second. Let's suppose that Jeff wasn't lying. Let's suppose Tucker Carlson spent weeks and weeks putting commentary tracks to all the videos.
Apparently Lying Jeffy doesn't realize that you can mute audio.
I guess he's too horny for the world of 1984 and forgot that the proles can still mute their telescreens.
Or maybe he thinks Tucker Carlson is a jinn or a siren and can enchant the hoi polloi with his voice.
Either is fucking stupid.
Jeff has seen more than one. In fact he’s seen dozens. I know because I’ve showed him dozens and he’s clicked on all of them in an effort to discredit what they showed.
Not true. I've not seen any of those videos before right now. And how the fuck would you possibly know what I click on or not? This entire fantasy is made up in your head. It's you making up an alternate reality about me because you hate me more than you value the truth.
ML, why are you trying to justify rioting, vandalism and violence?
Jeffy, why are you trying to persecute dissent, spy on the opposition, incite riots and imprison political opponents? Why are you a fascist, Jeff?
Here's the National Guard Captain blowing up your J6 narrative under oath a few days ago. He joins the chief of the Hill Police in accusing the U.S. Govt of lying to the American people about what happened that day.
I'd be very interested in hearing how you're going to try and handwave it.
In true ML fashion, you didn't answer my question and instead launched into a dishonest attack on me.
Why don't you try answering the question ML: why are you trying to justify rioting, vandalism and violence?
I think it is because you view yourself as an insurrectionist, at least in spirit. (I don't think you actually have the balls to shoot anyone in real life of course.) You have reached the point where you really do advocate for violence against the government in order to obtain your ideological goals.
He did the same shit with the Rittenhouse video.
Why him and Mike refuse to watch videos.
Huh. So it's been several hours, and ML still cannot provide a link to the video. It is probably because he is lying, and the only video that he knows about is the one that I also saw, from Tucker Carlson, in which he edits it and uses it for agitprop. It is just as deceptively edited as the ones he complains about which cast the Jan. 6 rioters in a negative light.
But hey, I stand ready to be wrong. He just needs to provide the link to the video that he's referring to.
And ML still cannot explain why he is justifying rioting, vandalism and violence. I also think it is because he directly supports violence against the government to achieve his political aims. I think he was one of those guys, right after Jan. 6, unlike sane people who were horrified and outraged by the events, instead he said something to the effect of "yes! finally, the normies will wake up and realize that we mean business! this is how we achieve change!" I think ML is in the Beer Hall Putsch phase of fascism where he thinks that violence against the state will achieve his goals.
"Huh. So it’s been several hours, and ML still cannot provide a link to the video."
Little early to take a victory lap, lying Jeffy. Unlike you I'm not paid to be here, so I won't be at you're beck and call.
It is probably because he is lying,
Ohhh... so sorry Jeffy. I know you were really really hoping that I was done for the day so that you could pretend that you were right and take the win. I posted some just above, Lying Jeffy: https://reason.com/2024/04/21/how-to-be-the-presidents-kid/?comments=true#comment-10530429
Fuck! right? That big victory lap full of implying and "I suspect's" all gone to hell.
But really why did you lie about how many you watched? We both know that you've seen far more than one.
Did you really think I'd be too lazy to come back and post a few?
why did you lie about how many you watched?
"and how many times did you beat your wife?" yet one more example of ML's characteristic shitbaggery and dishonesty
Nobody needs Top Men to tell them what they see.
Tucker is your Top Man, IYKWIM (NTTAWWT)
tUcKeR cArLsoN!!!!
“Nobody needs Top Men to tell them what they see.”
Jeff does.
I love how sarc and Jeff hide behind “credible” sources as an ad hominem attack so they can deny simple facts.
Their list of credible sources is whatever is repeating the DNC narratives.
Here is what I think is closer to reality.
You, and a lot of people like you, don't trust the major media. Fine. But you ALSO completely fail in critical thinking and media literacy. You don't know how to separate fact from fiction. So you gravitate to fraudsters, hucksters, grifters and demagogues like Tucker Carlson who will GLADLY propagandize you and tell you what to think, and it "sounds trustworthy" because it appeals to your "common sense" (i.e., your biases). You trust people like Tucker because you are unable to figure it out yourself.
When you don't know what's what, you judge by who, right?
Sarcasmic.
Kreemjeff is trying to pretend that there is no widely available, Tucker Carlson free, videos from Capitol Hill security cameras showing events on J6 that counteract his narrative.
But here's the thing, Jeff has seen those videos himself many, many times already.
But they counteract his narrative, so he's decided to lie.
If the video exists and is publicly available, why haven’t you provided a link to it? Where’s the video that proves your claims about Chamsley?
But here’s the thing, Jeff has seen those videos himself many, many times already.
No I haven't. This is another tactic of yours: just assert you are right without proof, and claim that any objection to your claim is rooted in malfeasance of some ty pe.
But Gawd told her she is always right. She can't conceive of any circumstances when she is wrong. To do so would be heresy.
I know you've seen them here too, Shrike/DOL/whatever.
This little narrative that you two created that there was only one video and Carlson is talking all over it is the damndest thing, because you know that you've watched dozens of different ones.
Anyway, here you go: https://reason.com/2024/04/21/how-to-be-the-presidents-kid/?comments=true#comment-10530429
Narrative squashed.
I love how you just assume that you somehow know my browser history and all of the videos that I supposedly watch and don’t watch. It is how you can smuggle multiple lies into one sentence and just assume bad faith right from the start. It’s not “you didn’t watch the videos?” It’s immediately “you watched the videos and are lying about it!” when you have absolutely no way of knowing if that is true or not. This is like when Troll Mac accuses me of lying when I am describing my own state of mind. As if either of you would know what I watch or what my own thoughts are.
I was making a general statement.
Need me to link you guys using ad hominem attacks to dismiss evidence again sarc? Jeff is literally doing this as the basis of his argument. You do it constantly.
Good one!
I can't disagree with you. So many of the really vocal Trump Supporters are just like the fucking Bernie Bros. If they would occasionally admit to Trumps faults I could at least respect them. But they are seriously making me rethink voting for him in 2024. I want him in office because the world media turns into a three ring circus and the screeching is so satisfying. But yeah, these fucking hardcores really make me think I'd best vote for the Libertarian. Just because I don't know that I want any association with them.
Did you ever read the 13 page bill you claimed was hundreds of pages long?
Which sock are you? Full on gaslighting. Lol.
Consistently look as retarded as Jeff.
Well gosh Fatfuck, NBC News would never lie or distort the facts in their stories, would they? Funny how you never talk about those ‘mostly peaceful protesters’ that committed rape, murder, arson, etc. during the many democrat George Floyd riots of 2020.
Nah, you memory holed all of that. Seriously, go fuck yourself, you lying shitweasel.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13333375/robert-f-kennedy-jr-poll-voters-presidential-campaign-2024.html
Poll reveals voters streaming toward Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as independent chucks a grenade into the presidential mix - amid shock at another candidates dramatic surge
Both Biden and Trump are attacking Kennedy as a dangerous radical
More dangerous than them?
I remember all the dangers when trump was president.
I think Kennedy would probably make a slightly better president than Trump. The only thing for me that doesn't tip the scales in his favor is his opposition to nuclear power.
But if Kennedy pulled off some sort of miraculous upset I wouldn't be crying.
I don't know much other than the word "environmental" comes up a lot when people talk about him.
Have you ever considered listening to someone or going to read their views instead of relying on what people say about someone?
Wait until ML discovers that RFK is pulling more support away from Trump than from Biden.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/rfk-jr-candidacy-hurts-trump-biden-nbc-news-poll-finds-rcna148536
Expect ML to turn on RFK shortly.
Some of what I've heard leads me to believe RFK jr has some beliefs that could be called fringe, or even conspiratorial.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7zz9z/spotify-rogan-rfk-vaccine-misinformation-policy
Even if you ignore all the anti-vax craziness that he engages in, there is also this bit:
What a disappointment THAT guy turned out to be. Then again, he hews mostly to the party platform and can occasionally finish a sentence.
Oh also, he buys into the Alex Jones crap about chemicals in the water that turn people gay.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jun/28/robert-f-kennedy-jr/no-evidence-atrazine-in-the-water-supply-is-causin/
But! But! What about the poor frogs!
Unlike humans, frogs are permitted to use whatever bathroom they feel like.
Do you know what primary evidence is sarc?
Me: "I think Kennedy would probably make a slightly better president than Trump.
Kreemjeff: "Wait until ML discovers that RFK is pulling more support away from Trump. Expect ML to turn on RFK shortly."
Are you being utterly fucking retarded on purpose, Jeffy?
It’s not on purpose, he’s just so blinded by hate that he can’t always comprehend what he’s read.
Remember when the LP was NOT screeching for foreign terrist importation NOR spitting on women's rights? Back then the Kleptocracy feared OUR spoiler votes and scrambled to repeal stuff.
"Legalize psychedelics" was what made candidate Timothy Leary "the most dangerous man in America" to Tricky Dick My Lai Nixon. Since redneck Mises Caucasians ruined the LP it's good SOMEONE is picking up a torch or two.
Hey Drunky, has Pedo Jeffy set you up with a lifetime NAMBLA membership yet? I just wondered, since you two are such good pals now.
You’re fellow travelers, along with Pluggo. Those are your people now.
But it's worth it for the food trucks.
https://rmx.news/crime/migrant-crime-explodes-higher-in-germany-in-2023-violent-crime-hits-record-levels/
The data from the interior ministry shows that 41 percent of all crime suspects are foreigners, with 2.246 million people in the country suspected of a crime in 2023, which is 7.3 percent more than in 2022. Overall, foreigners only represent 15 percent of the population.
This corresponds to an increase of almost 18 percent, reports Die Welt, citing the as yet unpublished crime statistics for 2023 from the Federal Ministry of the Interior. They now account for almost 41 percent of all suspects. A total of 2.246 million people in Germany were suspected of a crime – 7.3 percent more than in 2022.
The government is now racing to naturalize millions of foreigners in order to ensure that they are not counted under “foreign” crime but are instead counted as “Germans,” as German crime statistics list anyone who commits a crime as “German” regardless of their migration background as long as they have a German passport.
Do you know who else wanted Germans to commit crimes?
Just ordinary rapes and murders or crimes against humanity? I'm gonna go with George Soros here. He covers all the bases.
Magnus Hirschfeld?
Arminius? Former Roman Cavalryman who organized the Germanic Tribes to fight the Roman's in the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. They defeated and totally murder hoboed the three legions that Quintilius Varus led to pacify Germany.
It led to Ceaser Octavious wandering the palace and randomly howling out loud, "Quintili Vare, legiones redde!"
English translation, "Quintilius Varus, give me back my legions!"
They were so totally destroyed that the legion numbers XVII, XVIII and XIX were never used again by the Romans.
That German?
Wow! That has to be the most involved, intricate answer I've seen yet to a "You know who else?...* question!
Godwin needs to be your personal bitch-boy for that one! That was so good!
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So I did see Civil War yesterday.
I don't think it's immediately obvious that the president is a Trump-like figure. The immediate premise is that the president has remained in power beyond his second term, and secessionist states are trying to force him out of power. I think it is completely plausible that it could be a Biden-type figure who, horrified at the prospect of a Trump-like figure winning the EC vote but losing the "popular vote", decides to ignore the results and remain in power. Plus, the president in the movie is not portrayed as a charismatic figure at all, really.
There is a scene that, fittingly, has an intense firefight at the Lincoln Memorial. It does not end well for Mr. Lincoln (again).
I think the real point of the movie is that it shows all of the images and stories that we are used to hearing about for overseas conflicts, projected onto America. You have warlords committing despicable crimes, you have soldiers ignoring the laws of war, you have Americans doing horrible things to other Americans not out of any difference of ideological opinion, but just because that is just what happens in any wartime situation when normal law and order have disintegrated.
Is it worth six bucks?
It's probably worth no more than the matinee price, for sure.
If you're expecting an action packed movie with a happy ending, then this is not for you. If you are expecting a movie full of smart military decisions, then this is not for you.
You mean it's not Marvel?
Nope. There's not even a lesbian superhero.
Can you guys take this scintillating conversation over to your NAMBLA chat board?
Well, that's a non sequitor.
Poor Abe. They elect him THEN gore the Dems with protective tariffs. Cleveland was surprised to see Canadian smuggling shut down by lameduck days before inaugural. Bert Hoover was sworn in (and at) 2 days after Jones Law 2 made beer a felony. Oh well...
OT: I just now found this. Sorry, Trumpistas. I still wouldn't vote for him:
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Bestselling Biographer Claims Donald Trump Is an Atheist Following $60 Bible Sales
By Ishita Sen Gupta
Published on : 02:18 PST, Apr 1, 2024
https://www.inquisitr.com/bestselling-biographer-claims-donald-trump-is-an-atheist-following-60-bible-sales
He's not an atheist. He's a narcissist.
I'm an Athiest and I have a psych evaluatiion done by the State of Colorado that says I have "narcisistc tendencies". I used to read the evaluation to friends in public places and it got tons of laughs. Especially when I came to the narcissistic tendencies part. Here I was in a coffee shop reading my own psych evaluation to people and at that point I'd stop and say, "Tendancies?".
I'm a RAGING Narcisist. Why else would I waste time here? I'm also an Atheist. You can tell because I spell it right. So it's possible Trump is both, and that explains why I enjoy voting for him. We raging atheist narcissists need to stick together.
Which one do you know how to spell? Atheist or “Narcisist”? Or “Tendancies”?
One out of three ain’t bad, tiger. Keep RAGING.
The true test of his Narcissism would be whether he cares about your reply. Just to be on fhe safe side, assume your Trademark ESTAU words of heed.
Who is ESTAU? And how does one be on “fhe” safe side? Do none of you raging atheists know how to spell?
Besides, I wouldn’t have brought up spelling if he wasn’t bragging about it. Haha.
I would have gone for the evaluation, but I was too busy singing Mac Davis' "Oh Lord, It's Hard To Be Humble"
https://youtu.be/UHEfSzUbh3s?si=YFEO7EPWV3nkHp5d
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I claim you're a Bible thumping Jesus lover trying to make atheists look bad. Only thing that makes sense.
"Papa" Heinlein observed it best: The human mind is a wonderful thing. It can think anything it wants to think.
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I wouldn't be shocked, I suspect there are more than a few Atheists at the federal level in elected positions. You can't get elected in this country if you don't at least pretend to be a religious person. Trump never came across as the typical Republican theocrat.
Well, he wasn't even a Republican. The Republican primary and convention process isn't as crooked as the Democrats so it's easier to beat. Before the first primary everyone knew Hilary was going to be the candidate in 2016.
I will probably vote for him a third time. For completely stupid reasons. He in office is more entertaining than Bill Clinton ever was. Bill was like the Beverly Hillbillies go to Washington and the Monica Lewinski business was the best spent tax money ever. Trump is a huge asshole and says what's on his mind. He pisses everyone off and his loyal followers are like Bernie Bros making excuses for everything he does.
It's fucking brilliant.
Observe how the simple-minded worship personalities instead of reading the party platforms pulling the strings.
Thanks sooo much for this admirably-written tip on a worthwhile read. There is a lot more to this Alice in Wonderland than legacy media could unfold.
The answer is to elect younger Presidents that don’t have grown adult children already. Amy Carter, the Obama girls, the Nixon girls and the Johnson girls were pretty harmless. It’s only when they get into adulthood that they start thinking they’re entitled to stuff and start (consciously or subconsciously) trading on the family name: Hunter Biden, all the adult Trump children, Maureen Reagan who thought she could run for the US Senate just because she was a Reagan, Patti Davis who trashed her parents and wrote a trashy book, Margaret Truman who thought she was a singer, etc.
"It's easy, I'm sure, to lose sight of what's normal. What we should accept as normal is itself an important question."
Not even remotely important. You're trying to fudge up an issue where there is none. I could not care less whether Princess Alice - or Prince Hunter for that matter - trades on his family name and gets lavished with presents. There's a reason why there was a criminal investigation into Hunter Biden's "loot" - there was a suspicion that the Vice President of the United States was profiting by taking a share of that loot in exchange for special favors to the donors. That is - and should be - a crime. This has nothing whatever to do with what is - or should be - seen as normal.