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Taxes

Promise-Breaking IRS

Plus: Ethan Mollick on AI, Nancy Pelosi's kente cloth, hurricanes may destroy us all, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 4.5.2024 9:30 AM

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Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Charles P. Rettig | Tom Williams/CQ Roll Call/Newscom
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Liar, liar: Back in August 2022, when some of us were fresh-faced and naive, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assured us that their $80 billion infusion of cash (over the course of a decade, so they could hire some 87,000 new workers, including but not limited to men with guns) would actually be a means of targeting millionaire and billionaire scofflaws, not ordinary middle-class earners.

At the time, I voiced skepticism: Correspondence audits and other audits on low- and middle-income earners are simply the easiest to conduct. The IRS has historically spent an awful lot of time targeting these groups, not monied tax dodgers who can hire teams of accountants, so why would this time be different?

Vindicated: "The Internal Revenue Service got an audit of its own in time for Tax Day, and two irregularities jump out," reports The Wall Street Journal, having labored through the latest Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) reports. "President Biden's plan to hire a new army of tax collectors is falling flat, and the agents already at work are targeting the middle class."

"As of last summer, 63% of new audits targeted taxpayers with income of less than $200,000," reports the Journal. "Only a small overall share reached the very highest earners, while 80% of audits covered filers earning less than $1 million."

Compare these real-world outcomes with the assurances of the IRS, given less than two years ago.

Empty assurances: "These resources are absolutely not about increasing audit scrutiny on small businesses or middle-income Americans. As we've been planning, our investment of these enforcement resources is designed around the Department of the Treasury's directive that audit rates will not rise relative to recent years for households making under $400,000," wrote IRS commissioner Charles Rettig in an August 2022 letter to concerned senators.

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen was a bit sassier. "Contrary to the misinformation from opponents of this legislation, small business or households earning $400,000 per year or less will not see an increase in the chances that they are audited," she wrote in a letter to Rettig.

It's almost like they didn't tell us the truth the first time around. But that's not even the most embarrassing thing in the report: The IRS had set a goal of hiring 3,700 new agents in the first year of boosted funding. Instead, in the first six months, they'd hired 34.

Awkwardly, "revenue agent staffing had actually decreased by 8%, or more than 650 employees, between the end of fiscal 2019 and March 2023," per a previous watchdog report. And it's not just hiring that's in trouble: The agency has completed just 33 percent of its fiscal year 2023 milestones outlined in its strategic operating plan, which is…tough given that the year is over.


Scenes from New York: Over on X/Twitter, we're apparently doing "is it OK to smoke fentanyl inside subway cars?" That'll be a hard no from me, chief.

Consider this your cheerful Friday reminder that, just because we may be libertarians and/or city dwellers, we're not obligated to tolerate vast amounts of public disorder and threat every time we want to use the city services our tax dollars have (nonconsensually) been funneled toward. Privatization would be one way of solving this. Forcing people to actually bear the true cost of subway fare, instead of subsidizing it, would be another (though that would fly in the face of the original vision of the subway builders, that it be a democratizing tool, allowing central parts of the city to remain in reach for the lower classes who may live in outer boroughs). But the most obvious option would be to simply enforce existing laws against fare beating and subway-system drug use.


QUICK HITS

  • California Gov. Gavin Newsom exaggerates his baseball prowess.
  • Look, I love all my Just Asking Questions (JAQ) guests equally, but THIS EPISODE with Ethan Mollick on how AI will change us (episode 17) was next-level interesting in no small part due to the fact that Mollick is neither excessively technophilic nor phobic. If you are a listener with feedback or a question that you want to get featured on the next show, please email us at justaskingquestions@reason.com. I need constant validation, act accordingly.
  • "A monthly report on US employment is set to reveal a downshift in hiring in March amid muted wage growth," reports Bloomberg.
  • "Israel's military was on high alert Thursday as the country braced for Iran's promised revenge after an Israeli strike in Damascus this week killed senior Iranian commanders and stirred fears of widening war across a region on edge," reports The Washington Post. "The strike—in broad daylight, on a diplomatic building adjacent to Iran's embassy in Syria—was an escalation in Israel's multi-front battles against Iranian-backed groups, which have intensified during its war in Gaza."
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky on life-extensionist (and JAQ guest, episode 12) Bryan Johnson: "This is mad invention at its finest—to benefit all humanity if you win, and if you fail, to pay all the price yourself."
  • "The childish urge to tattle and see someone punished isn't new," writes Alanna Schubach at Compact, on a forgotten campus #MeToo scandal at American University. "But our capacity to keep on punishing, in the perpetual present of the internet, is."
  • Get ready for a brutal hurricane season this year.
  • Truly:

So many things that happened not very long ago no longer feel real when you look at photos of them pic.twitter.com/aVaIlGvXnp

— Jesse Singal (@jessesingal) April 4, 2024

  • The Gefilte Fish battles:

For those shopping for Passover, be prepared for these stickers which appeared on Israeli products at our local Safeway. Activists have added warnings that these products are "contaminated with apartheid & Zionism." pic.twitter.com/cuc8qBBTj7

— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) April 4, 2024

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    California Gov. Gavin Newsom exaggerates his baseball prowess.

    Perfect successor to the White House.

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      The ideal Democrat.

      Gavin Newsom’s restaurant offering job at $ 16 per hour despite new state law of $ 20 per hour for fast food workers

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        His restaurant is (D)ifferent.

      2. MatthewSlyfield   1 year ago

        His restaurant is full service. The $20 minimum wage was only for fast food places.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

          Must be nice to able to raise the cost of your competition.

        2. Square = Circle   1 year ago

          The $20 minimum wage was only for fast food places.

          Except Panera, since it's biggest franchisee in CA is friends with Gavin.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            Again, that’s (D)ifferent.

            And that rates as 3 bananas (out of 5) on the new Banana Republic scale.

        3. One-Punch_Man   1 year ago

          That's your defense? You are saying that full-service shouldn't be paid 20 dollars an hour? Why do you hate them?

          A lot of people are finding out the min wage is zero at these fast food places. One owner just closed up shop and just told his workers to come get their paychecks.

    2. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

      He throws a mean greaseball.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    If you are a listener with feedback...

    I keep forgetting when it's live. You need more obnoxious advertising.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    A monthly report on US employment is set to reveal a downshift in hiring in March amid muted wage growth...

    I think I'll wait for the inevitable revision or spin, thanks.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Another prediction that was wrong.

      1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

        Its getting kind of old at this point, but how many of these blatantly obvious lies have the commentariat gotten 100% correct right 5 minutes after the announcement?

        1. HorseConch   1 year ago

          About as many as the Bee.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      They already are celebrating the fake job numbers. They came in over projection for the 18th month in a row. Followed by the 18th month revision downward of last months numbers. Continuing to show a 1M gap between household and industry job claims. The feds are just cooking books and it is obvious to everyone.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/jobless-claims-spot-odd-government-supplied-one-out

      In the real world labor market, 2024 has been a shitshow of layoffs...

      1. Everybuddy: 100% of workforce
      2. Wisense: 100% of workforce
      3. CodeSee: 100% of workforce
      4. Twig: 100% of workforce
      5. Twitch: 35% of workforce
      6. Roomba: 31% of workforce
      7. Bumble: 30% of workforce
      8. Farfetch: 25% of workforce
      9. Away: 25% of workforce
      10. Hasbro: 20% of workforce
      11. LA Times: 20% of workforce
      12. Wint Wealth: 20% of workforce
      13. Finder: 17% of workforce
      14. Spotify: 17% of workforce
      15. Buzzfeed: 16% of workforce
      16. Levi's: 15% of workforce
      17. Xerox: 15% of workforce
      18. Qualtrics: 14% of workforce
      19. Wayfair: 13% of workforce
      20. Duolingo: 10% of workforce
      21. Rivian: 10% of workforce
      22. Washington Post: 10% of workforce
      23. Snap: 10% of workforce
      24. eBay: 9% of workforce
      25. Sony Interactive: 8% of workforce
      26. Expedia: 8% of workforce
      27. Business Insider: 8% of workforce
      28. Instacart: 7% of workforce
      29. Paypal: 7% of workforce
      30. Okta: 7% of workforce
      31. Charles Schwab: 6% of workforce
      32. Docusign: 6% of workforce
      33. Riskified: 6% of workforce
      34. EA: 5% of workforce
      35. Motional: 5% of workforce
      36. Mozilla: 5% of workforce
      37. Vacasa: 5% of workforce
      38. CISCO: 5% of workforce
      39. UPS: 2% of workforce
      40. Nike: 2% of workforce
      41. Blackrock: 3% of workforce
      42. Paramount: 3% of workforce
      43. Citigroup: 20,000 employees
      44. ThyssenKrupp: 5,000 employees
      45. Best Buy: 3,500 employees
      46. Barry Callebaut: 2,500 employees
      47. Outback Steakhouse: 1,000
      48. Northrop Grumman: 1,000 employees
      49. Pixar: 1,300 employees
      50. Perrigo: 500 employees

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

        Don't forget the upcoming Ford Lightning forced retirement of a third, and transfer of a second third to another line. I guess those newfangled electric vehicles aren't as popular as predicted.

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          If people would voluntarily choose to buy EV, Joe wouldn't be forced to make car companies put out so many EVs. - Jeff.

          1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

            In good news (for me, at least) my clearance finally came back yesterday. I get to keep my job. It feels like a stay of execution. 😀

            1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

              Congrats! That feeling of not knowing if the axe will fall really sucks.

              1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

                Especially when it's on an essentially daily basis.

                "Well, maybe today's the day someone shows up to tell me I got denied, and to escort me to my car."

              2. Ajsloss   1 year ago

                True that:

                "As a past commenter you have been granted commenting privileges on a temporary basis."

                1. DesigNate   1 year ago

                  Well played sir. Well played.

                  1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

                    Wait, if we get booted off Reason, we get a car?

                    1. Ersatz   1 year ago

                      no - we get Nazi-Chipping Warlock's car

            2. R Mac   1 year ago

              Congrats!

        2. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

          the EV bubble burst HARD. Ford Lightning's in my area CPO, platinum package, selling for almost 50% off what they were a year ago.

          Damn the people that bought into that craze got ripped off. Guys at work were in line to pay 20k over MSRP for Lightnings, and a few of them did.

          1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

            Guys who don't work their trucks. Anyone who hauls, tows, or pushes with a truck, know EV's are complete shit.

            1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

              there is a good use for a contractor that does jobs on site for a Lightning.

              If you commute in town, dont have long stretches to drive, can charge it fully at night, you have a mobile generator that can pull up and run your saws etc. Definitely could be useful, but just for the right person.

              Fact is still that gas vehicles and the infrastructure associated with them is just too convenient for the masses compared to EV

              1. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

                The smart contractor will buy them at a discount. I would buy one if they were significantly cheaper then an ICE counterpart.

          2. HorseConch   1 year ago

            It's tempting to pick one up, but it would likely bite me in the ass when there are no parts or support in 3-5 years. You can nab a 4WD fairly plain one for less than gas these days. It would be an errand rig for work, but certainly not a functional daily driver for me.

            1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

              I literally thought the same. Some of them are SO cheap I was like, man, wouldn't hurt to have the option to charge off my house in a pinch.

              But infrastructure and manufacturing just arent there right now. Which is why everyone is selling them. Living with these things day to day only works for some people.

              Its the result of the govt shoe-horning something into the market that the market really didnt "want" yet

          3. John C. Randolph   1 year ago

            I wonder how much it would cost to rip the batteries and shit out of one of those and put in a real engine. Might actually be worth buying it at half off.

            -jcr

      2. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

        I'll go out on a limb and guess that public employment continues to rise.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Wait! Are the numbers fake or are the jobs fake?

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          Yes.

        2. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

          All the employment gains are illegals, not citizens.

          Get rid of the democrats while we still have a country.

        3. JesseAz   1 year ago

          600k part time jobs gained. 300k full time jobs lost. = 300k new jobs.

      4. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

        The only job gains during the last three years have been for illegals. Citizens have lost jobs. This is another reason Biden is cramming as many illegals into the US as possible.

      5. Eeyore   1 year ago

        The big game developers fire (lay off) 5% of their work force almost every year, so a few in the list aren't much above trend.

    3. Jerry B.   1 year ago

      And here it is.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/04/05/jobs-march-unemployment-rate/

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

        I won't pay to view, but I will enjoy the irony.

        22. Washington Post: 10% of workforce

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          Hey, irony is white privilege.

        2. One-Punch_Man   1 year ago

          This makes me sad. Should be 100%

    4. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

      Govt hires thousands, the media says thousands were hired along with pictures of construction workers.

      1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

        Have to put those "refugees" to work.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

          Harrumph. Don't you mean Newcomers sir?

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

            Harrumph harrumph. Newcomers implies these peoples are new to the the Americas, when many of their ancestors crossed the Bering Straight, you white supremacists bigot. The correct term is Mud People to signify the dirt they accumulated under their feet as they made their long journey.

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

              I can not argue with your persuasive historical analysis. Mud People it is!

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

                I will see your Mud People and raise you a Neanderthal (my personal pronoun), you genocidal Homo sapiens. Where's my reparations?

                1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

                  Oh Joe's still working on how to deal with you, Mask Mandate deniers.

    5. mpercy   1 year ago

      The federal government in 2023 overestimated the number of jobs in the U.S. economy by an average of 105,000 per month in initial reports, equating to a cumulative monthly difference of 1.3 million, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).

      The cumulative number of jobs reported each month was 1,255,000 less than previously thought, with new seasonal and census data affecting total employment estimates, according to data from the BLS calculated by the Daily Caller News Foundation. The huge downward revisions are in spite of a 115,000 upward revision in December, the only month that saw an upward revision to the employment level in 2023.

      The biggest revision was for March, which was revised down by a total of 266,000 jobs, followed by January at 234,000 and April at 205,000, according to the BLS. The lowest downward revision was in November, with only 2,000, followed by 11,000 in October.

      https://dailycaller.com/2024/02/06/one-million-jobs-reported-2023-didnt-exist/

      1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        BLS Jobs Numbers, comparing initial releases (to much fanfare often) to revised number released later (without notice):

        Jan-23 -45,000
        Feb-23 -63,000
        Mar-23 -19,000
        Apr-23 -36,000
        May-23 -58,000
        Jun-23 -104,000
        Jul-20 +49,000
        Aug-23 -22,000
        Sep-23 -74,000
        Oct-23 -45,000
        Nov-23 -17,000
        Dec-23 +74,000
        Jan-24 -124,000

        Since the initial numbers are usually around 200k, these errors are often 20% or so, and in 11 of 13 months, the error is always negative.

    6. One-Punch_Man   1 year ago

      If you dig into the numbers, the prediction would have been right if it wasn't for government creating most of the job for unnecessary roles.

      Take the government out and job creation would be horrible

  4. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

    Get ready for a brutal hurricane season this year.

    Never heard that before.

    1. Sevo   1 year ago

      Mann, 1990: ‘By 2010, Riverside Drive will be under water!!!!!!’.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Ehrlich, 1970: "By 1990, we will all starve to death!!!"

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

          Ron Bailey 2021: More Testing!

    2. mpercy   1 year ago

      “2006: Expect Another Big Hurricane Year Says NOAA”—headline, MongaBay .com, May 22, 2006

      “NOAA Predicts Above Normal 2007 Atlantic Hurricane Season”—headline, National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration press release, May 23, 2007

      “NOAA Increases Expectancy for Above-Normal 2008 Atlantic Hurricane Season”—headline, gCaptain .com, Aug. 7, 2008

      “Forecasters: 2009 to Bring ‘Above Average’ Hurricane Season”—headline, CNN, Dec. 10, 2008

      “NOAA: 2010 Hurricane Season May Set Records”—headline, Herald-Tribune (Sarasota, Fla.), May 28, 2010

      “NOAA Predicts Increased Storm Activity in 2011 Hurricane Season”—headline, BDO Consulting press release, Aug. 18, 2011

      “2012 Hurricane Forecast Update: More Storms Expected”—headline, LiveScience, Aug. 9, 2012

      “NOAA Predicts Active 2013 Atlantic Hurricane Season”—headline, NOAApress release, May 23, 2013

      “A Space-Based View of 2015’s ‘Hyperactive’ Hurricane Season”—headline, CityLab .com, June 19, 2015

      “The 2016 Atlantic Hurricane Season Might Be the Strongest in Years”—headline, CBSNews, Aug. 11, 2016

      Kicker

      “NOAA: U.S. Completes Record 11 Straight Years Without Major Hurricane Strike”—headline, CNSNews, Oct. 24, 2016

  5. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

    I can't believe that the government lied to us about who their highwaymen would target. I'm so disappointed.

    1. mpercy   1 year ago

      Back in 2022, an IRS training video made the rounds, showing agents taking down a landscaper who was driving a truck that was not properly accounted for. I wrote this then...

      -----------------

      Of course it's a training scenario, that's entirely the point.

      There's a saying (many variants) "The way you practice is the way you will play."

      We've been told by Pres. Biden that the 87,000 new IRS agents will be sent after billionaires not paying their "fair share" (still no one has ever provided a definition for "fair share" that would apply to everyone in concrete terms--the usual mishmash received boils down to "I'd like to pay less, but other people should pay more".)

      But the agents in the field are being trained to go after small businessmen who improperly deducted a work vehicle? Or, more specifically, as the video explains "Could not provide a source for the money used to purchase the vehicle". If that's what they're being trained for, that's what they are expected to be doing. See, they weren't being trained to approach a billionaire's megayacht and deal with the private security people and lawyers.

      It's a fantasy to think that the new agents will be limited to targeting billionaires, or even millionaires. It's the same reason why all transactions (totaling) over $600 must be tracked and reported. People selling beanie babies on ebay will be reported to the IRS, and can expect to be audited. Those people are probably not millioniares or billionaires. Also, the $600 rules came with increased emphasis on unreported tip earnings. So the IRS will be going after small employers who fail to "Keep [and report] a daily tip record using Form 4070A, Employee’s Daily Record of Tips" and/or fail to "Report all tips on an individual income tax return, Form 4137, Social Security and Medicare Tax on Unreported Tip Income". Wait staff earning cash tips cheat on their taxes to the tune of about $20-30B each year, and the IRS has been unhappy with their ability to go after these people due to lack of resources. 87,000 new agents will certainly give them some new resources.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm all for going after tax cheats big or small. The EITC program is one glaring example of an area where enforcment should be better. Where the government *knows* that about 25% of all EITC payments are made incorrectly, either through "honest" errors or through outright fraud cost about $20B each year. And that's down markedly from about 1/3 of all such claims being wrongfully paid after the IRS began requiring an SSN for each child claimed (a rule that was branded "racist" when it was originally put in place). And if a single mom who works a double shift at some diner doesn't think to report her cash tips to the IRS, well, she should know better and will deserve it when the armed agents kick in her door.

      I also am pretty sure that millionaires and billionaires have lawyers and tax specialists employed to make sure that they employ every legal strategy available in order to reduce their tax bills to the minimum required by law (or as close to it as they can come), and that most of the time, auditing them just enriches the lawyers. But in those cases, another saying comes to bear "the process is the punishment", because I also believe that agents will 100% go after people that they know haven't done anything wrong.

    2. mpercy   1 year ago

      Myself, I've been audited twice.

      The first time was because wife had started with a new company that mistakenly withheld Colorado (where the corporate HQ was) instead of South Carolina state taxes, which went unnoticed for about 3 months. We told them about the mistake, and they corrected it. But come tax time, the employer compounded the error by reporting her income for those 3 months twice. From the IRS point-of-view, we improperly excluded some $45K from our taxes (or about $10K in taxes not paid) Fortunately, we had support from the employer in claiming responsibility for the error, had all the records supporting the error and showing how the math exactly accounted for every cent the IRS was after, and were ultimately able to demonstrate to the IRS's satisfaction that *we* had done nothing wrong, that we had not in fact been paid twice, and owed nothing additional. But getting that agreement from the IRS took about 6 months of back and forth with auditors, and a stack of paper a full 1 inch high.

      A year after that, we got a 2nd audit notice. This one claimed that we had not paid FICA taxes and income tax surcharges on some $45K. That's right. We got audited twice for the same issue. This one was a bit easier. I sent the IRS a copy of the whole previous audit (cost like $8 to mail certified as it was a very large envelope) and their own notice of compliance, along with pointing out that the unpaid FICA taxes and surcharges were exactly the FICA amount to be paid on the twice-reported monies. Eventually they agreed.

      So when they say "the process is the punishment", I get where they're coming from. At the time, though, I had no idea that there might be armed IRS agents twitching to kick in my door.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Israel's military was on high alert Thursday...

    IT HASN'T BEEN ALREADY???

    1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      What, they increased their amphetamine dosage?

    2. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

      I hope to see them kill more Hamas in the near future

  7. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

    “Get ready for a brutal hurricane season this year.”

    How will this compare to the previously forecasted “worst year of superstorms ever!” (22 I think?) in which we had about average tropical storms with no major hurricane issues?

    Wonder if the normies will ever wake up when the world isnt destroyed for the 1000th time

    From the article:

    "The United States was lucky in 2023."

    "Last year was unusual. Though only one hurricane, Idalia, made landfall in the United States, 20 storms formed, a number far above average and the fourth most since record keeping began."

    Weird, 2023 was the year of doom and hottest temps ever, and not a single super storm there either.

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      Wonder if the normies will ever wake up when the world isnt destroyed for the 1000th time

      I mean, literally the same motherfucker (Paul Erlich) has been making wrong predictions about when the world would end for the last fifty years and the insanity just keeps getting worse. So I'm going to say that signs point to "No". Dude predicted that the world was already going to have ended before I was born. And yet, here we are.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

        Paul Erlich is one of the main reasons I believe that academia is compromised beyond salvaging. The man still holds an emeritus position at Stanford after being wrong about every prediction for 56 years now. He is a walking, talking appeal to expertise.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          Or maybe "academia" has simply returned to its religious roots. Think seminary, priests, and sharing doctrine with the faithful.

          1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

            They offer no invitation or salvation this time.

      2. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

        That's why governments, WEF and Bill Gates are warring with the farmers. They want to make Erlich's predictions come true.

    2. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      The End Of The World has had worshipers for thousands of years.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

        Yeah, but I thought apocalyptic millennialist cults were supposed to die out after the millennium comes and goes and the sun keeps rising.

        1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

          No, they just make excuses and regroup.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            We could help them experience demise.

            1. Truthfulness   1 year ago

              There will be no universal heat death.

    3. mpercy   1 year ago

      I'm sure that *EVENTUALLY* they'll get one right...2016 was the "strongest in years" but was still pretty much meh, except for Matthew's impact on Haiti.

      Actual activity in 2016: 15 named storms, 7 hurricanes, 4 CAT3+
      Average (1981–2010[1]) 12.1, 6.4, 2.7
      Record high activity 28, 15, 7

  8. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

    I'm going to search for, and purchase as many contaminated Israeli goods I can find. I WANT some of those decals.

    1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      I think it would be fun to stick them to cars in neighborhoods with the BLM/Ukraine flags and watch other rabid lefties break their windows and slash their tires due to their normal "tolerance"

      1. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

        Speaking of BLM, a member of their subset, Albino Lives Matter, got caught with his pasty white hand in the grift jar.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13270231/amp/TV-star-turned-Black-Lives-Matter-activist-claims-hes-worlds-sexiest-albino-stands-trial-conning-500-000-donors-buy-suits-guns-house-lawyer-claims-set-battered-womens-shelter.html

    2. Ajsloss   1 year ago

      Gefilte Fish: "Now with 3,000% more genocide!"*

      *as reported by the Hamas Health Ministry

      1. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

        And parroted by our resident neo nazi.

  9. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    Billionaire club in bid to curb overpopulation (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6350303.ece)

    America's richest people meet to discuss ways of tackling a 'disastrous' environmental, social and industrial threat

    May 24, 2009

    SOME of America’s leading billionaires have met secretly to consider how their wealth could be used to slow the growth of the world’s population and speed up improvements in health and education.

    The philanthropists who attended a summit convened on the initiative of Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder, discussed joining forces to overcome political and religious obstacles to change.

    Described as the Good Club by one insider it included David Rockefeller Jr, the patriarch of America’s wealthiest dynasty, Warren Buffett and George Soros, the financiers, Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, and the media moguls Ted Turner and Oprah Winfrey.

    These members, along with Gates, have given away more than £45 billion since 1996 to causes ranging from health programmes in developing countries to ghetto schools nearer to home.

    They gathered at the home of Sir Paul Nurse, a British Nobel prize biochemist and president of the private Rockefeller University, in Manhattan on May 5. The informal afternoon session was so discreet that some of the billionaires’ aides were told they were at “security briefings”.

    Stacy Palmer, editor of the Chronicle of Philanthropy, said the summit was unprecedented. “We only learnt about it afterwards, by accident. Normally these people are happy to talk good causes, but this is different – maybe because they don’t want to be seen as a global cabal,” he said.

    Some details were emerging this weekend, however. The billionaires were each given 15 minutes to present their favourite cause. Over dinner they discussed how they might settle on an “umbrella cause” that could harness their interests.

    The issues debated included reforming the supervision of overseas aid spending to setting up rural schools and water systems in developing countries. Taking their cue from Gates they agreed that overpopulation was a priority.

    This could result in a challenge to some Third World politicians who believe contraception and female education weaken traditional values.

    Gates, 53, who is giving away most of his fortune, argued that healthier families, freed from malaria and extreme poverty, would change their habits and have fewer children within half a generation.

    At a conference in Long Beach, California, last February, he had made similar points. “Official projections say the world’s population will peak at 9.3 billion [up from 6.6 billion today] but with charitable initiatives, such as better reproductive healthcare, we think we can cap that at 8.3 billion,” Gates said then.

    Patricia Stonesifer, former chief executive of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which gives more than £2 billion a year to good causes, attended the Rockefeller summit. She said the billionaires met to “discuss how to increase giving” and they intended to “continue the dialogue” over the next few months.

    Another guest said there was “nothing as crude as a vote” but a consensus emerged that they would back a strategy in which population growth would be tackled as a potentially disastrous environmental, social and industrial threat.

    “This is something so nightmarish that everyone in this group agreed it needs big-brain answers,” said the guest. “They need to be independent of government agencies, which are unable to head off the disaster we all see looming.”

    Why all the secrecy? “They wanted to speak rich to rich without worrying anything they said would end up in the newspapers, painting them as an alternative world government,” he said.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      They wanted to speak rich to rich without worrying anything they said would end up in the newspapers, painting them as an alternative world government,” he said.

      Remember, there are no secret societies.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

        Ah, to have been there with a high speed wood chipper...

      2. Super Scary   1 year ago

        "an alternative world government"

        An "alternative"? It's been confirmed, there is a world government. I knew it!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          But only for this alternative world.

        2. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

          Described as the Good Club by one insider it included David Rockefeller Jr, the patriarch of America’s wealthiest dynasty, Warren Buffett and George Soros, the financiers, Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, and the media moguls Ted Turner and Oprah Winfrey.

          World government run by exclusive rich Americans.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Why is their solution always kill and keep the poor down.

      1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

        Hey, I got an idea! Tell the wokesters the masses are threatening the Earth with climate change and are all white supremacists who believe there are only 2 genders, thus committing Trans Genocide. That way, they will feel virtuous when they help us crush the working and middle classes.

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          If it wasn’t for 2A they probably would have already killed many of us.

    3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      "SOME of America’s leading billionaires have met secretly to consider how their wealth could be used to slow the growth of the world’s population"

      They aren't idiots. They know that almost every country in the world is seeing an unprecedented collapse in birthrates. That they are well below replacement levels.

      "Slow the growth" is a euphemism for reducing the population. Just like the kings of old they want planetwide Royal forests again, with a minimal number of serfs to sustain their regal lifestyles.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        Worked out great in China. Oh wait...

    4. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      Third World politicians who believe contraception and female education weaken traditional values.

      They're right, of course, but some "traditional values" are wrong and need to be weakened. Maybe these "elites" can have a conference about why Africans are so stubbornly backward.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        "Africans are so stubbornly backward."

        Africans aren't stubbornly backward. A Kalahari bushman, a Libyan farmer and a Nigerian lawyer have nothing in common.

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          Except their view on the place of a woman, statistically speaking.

          1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

            ML did not say, "A Kalahari biologist, a Libyan biologist and a Nigerian biologist have nothing in common."

          2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            How can you price something you cannot define?

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

          A Kalahari bushman, a Libyan farmer and a Nigerian lawyer have nothing in common.

          Yes, but now I am intrigued and want to know what might happen if they walk into a bar together.

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

            They probably won't hang out with the priest and the rabbi.

          2. JesseAz   1 year ago

            If it is like Trevor Noah's stand up, nothing funny.

          3. Super Scary   1 year ago

            "what might happen if they walk into a bar together."

            A few busted noses?

          4. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

            That was my first thought as well.

    5. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Another guest said there was “nothing as crude as a vote” but a consensus emerged that they would back a strategy in which population growth would be tackled as a potentially disastrous environmental, social and industrial threat.

      This is nothing new. The Club of Rome was created by the same sorts of people for the same reasons, and they ended up with CIA support and became integrated into the WEF.

      If their clever plans do come to fruition though and billions die, they need to be treated in the same manner as the architects of the holocaust.

      1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

        With modern technology we really only need half a billion regular people to keep The Elite in their lifestyle of choice.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        “nothing as crude as a vote”
        Guess they're not familiar with mail in voting.

    6. HorseConch   1 year ago

      When did their plan change? In the last few months, there have been several articles from sources friendly to them fretting over dwindling populations and birth rates. Did they finally realize that they have nothing without us pissants?

    7. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

      ghetto schools nearer to home
      ?
      Are they building new ghetto schools or planning to turn nearer schools into ghetto schools?

    8. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

      Over dinner they discussed how they might settle on an “umbrella cause” that could harness their interests.

      Oh, the irony of dining while planning mass starvation for the rest of us.

  10. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/1775901381422883043

    There are plenty of fathers who have been in the same shower as their young daughters. Virtually all Pediatricians and child psychologists support it up until a certain age.

    1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

      https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1775736375142142041

      The DOJ is demanding prison time for the person who discovered Ashley Biden’s diary.

      Here’s a reminder of what she wrote.

      Joe Biden showered with his daughter.

      1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

        DOJ demands prison time for Ashley Biden diary thief
        https://nypost.com/2024/04/03/us-news/doj-demands-prison-time-for-ashley-biden-diary-thief/
        ...After stealing Ashley Biden’s property, Harris recruited co-defendant Robert Kurlander to help sell it, the government said, knowing that it belonged to “an immediate family member of a then-former government official who was a candidate for national political office.”

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          Welp, this makes it harder for our Democrats here to deny the shower stories.

          1. R Mac   1 year ago

            Don’t ever underestimate leftists ability to hold two conflicting views if they’re told to.

            1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

              They are already doing it. Saying things like the pages are faked, there is no chain of custody (like Hunter's laptop), Ashley was a little girl, not a prepubescent/teen (See the Krassenstein post above), the whole story is fake and there is no diary etc.

              1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

                All of the earmarks of Russian disinformation.

                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

                  Hilary, is that you?

              2. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

                The DoJ prosecution destroys all of those arguments.

      2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        But the guy who steals your car shouldn’t do any time.

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          Are you a candidate for national political office? Didn’t think so!

        2. mpercy   1 year ago

          The guy who steals your house should get to keep living in it and sue your for lack of compliance with landlord laws.

      3. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Schrodingers diary. Real for criminal use. Imaginary for political use.

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

          Like Joe himself, Sharp as a tack and mentally unfit to face charges at the same time.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            That's some 3D checkers (or chutes and ladders) right there.

            1. MK Ultra   1 year ago

              Hunter prefers Nose Candyland.

      4. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

        Does he have a GoFundMe?

      5. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

        The irony is that prosecuting these people undeniably authenticates the diary as Ashley Biden’s. Every time some democrat retard tries claim it’s a fake, I just rub their nose in the DoJ’s prosecution.

    2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      "There are plenty of fathers who have been in the same shower as their young daughters."

      He's trying to play it off as parents taking baths with young children who can't bathe themselves properly yet.

      Biden's daughter was a teenager when Biden would join her.
      She called it "inappropriate" in her own words.
      She said she would avoid taking showers when her dad was home because he would always try to join her.
      She said his actions with her were why she became a sex addict.

      Meanwhile, Jeff and White Mike would tell us that Trump praising his kids looks to reporters secretly meant that he wanted to rape them. But this stuff? Not a peep.

      1. HorseConch   1 year ago

        Isn't Hunter a sex addict as well? Maybe his diary is more damning than his laptop.

        1. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

          It might provide even more evidence he was molesting his then 13 year old niece. Most of the other Bidens believed he was.

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            'Robert Peters' wasn't known as 'Pedo Pete' by his children for no reason.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Democrats are now just fucking with people, both us hated deplorables*, and their own tribal members who have to praise outright evil and immoral leaders.

        *A deplorable is anyone who questions DNC doctrine.

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        Almost like Biden is a serial exhibitionist.
        https://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/joe-biden-skinny-dipping-first-family-detail-109633
        “Agents say that, whether at the vice president’s residence or at his home in Delaware, Biden has a habit of swimming in his pool nude,” Kessler wrote, according to the New York Daily News.
        Female Secret Service agents found his skinny dipping to be “offensive.”

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

          “The First Family Detail” describes the vice president’s desire to be seen as a “regular Joe,” but says that agents find that “being assigned to his detail is considered the second worst assignment in the Secret Service.”

          Still couldn't beat Hillary.

      4. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

        Which is especially ironic in Jeffy’s case. He’s almost certainly a pedophile, or at least supports them.

      5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Who you gonna believe? Some MAGA teenager (and your own lying eyes)? Or the semi-senile leader of the free world (and his really, really, really smart handlers)?

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      Looks like Ed needs to have his search history checked

    4. One-Punch_Man   1 year ago

      Shrike approves this message.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    This is mad invention at its finest—to benefit all humanity if you win, and if you fail, to pay all the price yourself.

    Without knowing anything else, it sounds like the state needs to step in.

  12. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

    Living in NY is worse than war torn Ukraine.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-05/nyc-s-displaced-ukrainians-weigh-ditching-city-for-war-torn-home?srnd=homepage-americas

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      'Build Back Better' meant controlled demolition.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Inflation doesn't melt steel beams!

        1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

          ^-this guy gets it.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            CONSPIRACY!

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      Reasonably speaking, attempting to be a penniless refugee in NYC these days is probably incredibly foolish. We should have placed the actual refugees in smaller towns with affordable rent and actual jobs, and saved NYC for the illegals.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Get ready for a brutal hurricane season this year.

    Finally. CLIMATE CHANGE!

    1. HorseConch   1 year ago

      Don't forget that Donald Trump wants to burn down your house.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-slams-trump-climate-arsonist-fires-ravage-west-n1240063

      1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

        He has a big, beautiful tower that he wants me to move into instead.

  14. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    Amazon launches employment support program for refugees
    https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/workplace/amazon-launches-employment-support-program-for-refugees

    Through the new Welcome Door program, Amazon refugee and humanitarian-based immigrant employees will have access to several new resources, including:

    Reimbursement for EAD renewal fees, which cost on average roughly $500 every other year.
    A new Citizenship Assistance Portal that will fully support U.S. citizenship applications for all eligible employees.
    Ongoing communications that will highlight policy changes that may impact an employee’s immigration status.
    Free legal resources to help navigate immigration-related questions and the ability to connect with immigration experts.
    Access to skills training benefits including free college tuition and ESL proficiency through Amazon’s Career Choice program.
    Customized mentorship.

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      I mean those folks aren't going to complain about the conditions in Amazon shipping centers...

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Does Amazon even deliver food trucks?

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          Well ill be damned.

          Mobile food truck https://a.co/d/9EFeumP

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            Akshually, that’s a trailer.

            1. JesseAz   1 year ago

              Well look at the food truck snob over here.

  15. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    REVEALED: US is collaborating with Chinese scientists to make bird flu strains more infectious and deadly as part of $1m project - despite fears similar tests unleashed Covid
    Research involves infecting birds with flu viruses to make them more infectious
    The USDA is spending more than $1million to fund the risky experiments
    READ MORE: US researchers found 'safety concerns' at Wuhan virus lab in 2017

    1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

      Just in time for Biden to run or reelection from his basement. As an added bonus, this lets The Experts kill cattle and have us eat bugs.

      Bird flu pandemic could be ‘100 times worse’ than COVID, scientists warn
      https://nypost.com/2024/04/04/us-news/bird-flu-pandemic-could-be-100-times-worse-than-covid-scientists-warn/
      ...But it has now even been detected in mammals, with cattle herds across four states becoming infected, and on Monday, federal health officials announced that a dairy worker in Texas caught the virus.

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        I bet masks will stop it !

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          But how are you going to convince the cows to wear them?

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            I think they will cooperate once they are recognized as steakholders.

            1. Moonrocks   1 year ago

              What if they have a beef with the plan?

              1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

                I think he was just ribbing us.

                1. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

                  It’s a nothingburger anyway.

          2. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Jeff is already wearing one.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

              Imagine his reaction if told he could catch a virus from a cheeseburger.

              1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                If morbid obesity won't stop him a cold sure won't.

              2. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

                Just as long as Ben & Jerry’s is safe.

            2. mpercy   1 year ago

              Might even be the same one for the last 4 years.

          3. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

            Those masks will be all the rage on the New York strip.

        2. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

          I'm not getting within 6 feet of a cow.

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      I have a crazy idea. Maybe we should STOP DOING THAT!!!

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        Trust the experts!

      2. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

        We must assist Chinese research into biological weapons so that we will know how to defend against Chinese biological weapons.

      3. Eeyore   1 year ago

        Gotta have a reason to sell those chickens vaccines.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    So many things that happened not very long ago no longer feel real when you look at photos of them

    You couldn't AI a pic more surreally idiotic than that one of those idiots kneeling in performative African garb.

    1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

      Good luck finding an AI that would include four white men* in a pic.

      *I'm an amateur biologist.

    2. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      Maybe if you just asked it "give me some post Floyd cringe" it would nail it

    3. Square = Circle   1 year ago

      You couldn’t AI a pic more surreally idiotic than that one of those idiots kneeling in performative African slaver garb.

      FTFY

  17. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Activists have added warnings that these products are "contaminated with apartheid & Zionism."

    They suffered the Joe Biden "I did that" stickers at the pump. I'll give them this.

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      Those stickers need to make a big comeback in October.

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        It will be funny when gas is back to $5 in the fall.

        1. DesigNate   1 year ago

          It’s fucking $3.45 here in Dallas. I’m not sure I even paid that right after the Great Recession.

          1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

            That's about what I paid yesterday in Albuquerque. Sadly, I didn't stop and fill up two days before when it was $2.94. :-/

          2. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

            Spokane went from $3.40 to $4.25 over the last six weeks. The woke idiots at our local ABC affiliate were cheering how prices might not rise quite so quickly going forward. As insipid as their reporting was, it was a breath of fresh air compared to the regular onslaught of hard hitting stories about climate change, LGBTetc., racism/diversity, and how we need more programs for our massive homeless population.

            We never had a massive homeless population until the Spokane City Council started taking laments from Seattle, Portland and other municipalities in exchange for shipping their problem homeless here. So that worked out well.

          3. American Mongrel   1 year ago

            With inflation 3.45 isn't very high. I remember paying 4.50 in 2008.

            1. Stuck in California   1 year ago

              Yeah. And look what happened to the economy right after that.

    2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      I just so happen to like my foodstuffs contaminated with Zionism.

      These ultra geniuses seem to have a tendency to forget that a lot of goods produced by Palestinians in the West Bank carry the Made in Israel label.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

        Activists call it contamination and you call it seasoning.

        1. mad.casual   1 year ago

          I eat the blood and body of Christ every weekend, you think a little apartheid and Zionism is going to phase me?

          1. DesigNate   1 year ago

            Nice!

        2. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

          t least it provides Misek with gainful employment. Although he would probably put the stickers out for free.

  18. Quo Usque Tandem   1 year ago

    IRS to American public: FUTY, we’ve got whatever it takes to take what you’ve got, and we can lie all we want, bitches!

  19. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

    It's (D)ifferent for the rest of us. Never forget this.

    BREAKING: Colorado 'praying grandma' who walked in Capitol on J6 found guilty by DC jury

    "Multiple sources close to the case confirmed to The Post Millennial that she had been found guilty this afternoon by a DC jury. She could be sentenced to a year in prison and fines exceeding $200,000...
    Rebecca Lavrenz had been charged with entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds, disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds, disorderly conduct in a Capitol Building, and parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol Building...
    Surveillance footage shows her peacefully walking around inside the Capitol Building and speaking to a Capitol Police Officer."

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      They just sentenced another batch of people praying and singing hymns under FACE. This time for doing it in Nashville despite the abortion center they were in front of not allowed to operate under the state law.

      Another set of FACE act trials start next month where DoJ is seeking 10 years for "blocking" people despite video showing people moving around the people praying.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        https://www.zerohedge.com/political/4-more-christians-found-guilty-over-prayer-gathering-nashville-abortion-clinic

        Link

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

        This is where you and your sources just flat-out lie. They were not convicted for merely "praying and singing". They were convicted for physically blocking the entrance to the clinic.

        https://wpln.org/post/protesters-convicted-for-blockading-a-mt-juliet-abortion-clinic/

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          Is there actual evidence that they were infringing people’s movement?

          If they were, is 10+ years in prison appropriate?

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Way more appropriate than the 2B in damages and 20 murders for BLM. In case you haven’t noticed, jeff is a fascist.

            1. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

              Good old Jeffy. Always ready to murder a baby. And the ones that escape get mutilated and/or groomed to be molested by his fellow travelers.

              What a guy.

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

          you and your sources just flat-out lie

          Who lies? From your own link:

          One of the defendants, Coleman Boyd, brought his minor children with him to participate in the blockade and had his daughter follow a patient into the women’s restroom.

          What kind of 'blockade' can you walk right through into the building and into the restroom? Answer - that is not what a blockade is.

          Remember when the "peaceful counter-protesters" at Unite the Right joined hands and actually blockaded a legal and permitted protest march? I questioned how that could be considered non-violent and got the full Michael Hihn as a reply. Caps-lock and rights in conflict and everything.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            The most hilarious part is jeff approved of blockades from the left constantly.

            1. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

              But not when it impedes physician assisted infanticide.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

                Or cheesy poof delivery.

          2. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

            Does anyone here REALLY expect an honest statement from Fatfuck?

        3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          They were convicted for merely “praying and singing”, the "blocking" part was your Junta's false charge, Nazi.

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      I guess she should have set an Apple Store on fire instead.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Any random "white" place.

        1. Stuck in California   1 year ago

          Hell, commit arson at the Federal building in Portland every night over the summer and you don't get prosecuted.

  20. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    ...we're apparently doing "is it OK to smoke fentanyl inside subway cars?"

    It would probably be therapeutic.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

      That'll be a hard no from me, chief.

      Get a load of the libertarian who doesn't believe in self medication.

      1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

        And is appropriating honorifics of the First People.

        1. BYODB   1 year ago

          Well, not the actual first people since they were wiped out by intertribal conflict...just like all the one's who came afterwards.

          Turns out a lot of American Indian tribes were 'mostly peaceful'.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            Were they also mostly anti-racist and anti-slavery, too?

    2. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

      Yeah, they should hand out fentanyl at the turnstiles to make riding more pleasant.

  21. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    US Cancels Latest Oil Reserve Refill Plan Amid High Prices
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-03/us-cancels-latest-oil-reserve-refill-plan-amid-high-prices

    1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

      U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve drops to lowest level since 1987
      https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-drops-lowest-level-since-1987-2022-05-16

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        Rig count!

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

          Is the rig count down? Should I pivot my investment to spittin’ tobaccy? Cheesy Poofs from BJ's?

      2. I…….. Fudd   1 year ago

        So Biden has run our troops ragged, diverted VA resources to care for illegals, run short of munitions and ammo, squandered military budgets on DEI training, and now depleted the U.S. petroleum reserve.

        Gosh, it’s a good thing hostile foreign powers like China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea would never take advantage of all that.

    2. HorseConch   1 year ago

      We are defintely run by the best and the brightest. Multiple wars and climbing prices seems like a good reason to to sit on less inventory than we have in 40+ years.

  22. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

    I was just listening to NPR on my way in to work, and they spent more than 10 minutes in prime drive time interviewing the father of one of the WKC aid workers killed. It was full of leading questions that culminated in the grieving father accusing the Israelis of deliberately targeting and killing the aid convoy. The denouement was the father crying when asked what he would tell his 18 month old grandson about his father.

    Pure propaganda.

    spiked is actually covering the Proggie demonization of Israel, unlike Reason.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/03/al-shifa-hospital-and-the-crisis-of-the-west/

    I am not a simp for Israel. I think all foreign aid is a theft of taxpayer resources. But I do believe they have every right to defend their nation by dismantling Hamas. Hamas is the party guilty of hiding behind civilians.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Should have taught his kid to stay out of war zones.

      1. American Mongrel   1 year ago

        His kid was a fucking special forces mercenary making good money off of the suffering of the Palestinians.
        Now his kids wife understands what the hazard pay was for.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      From the river to the sea all isralies shall be free

    3. R Mac   1 year ago

      The thing that continues to amaze me is Hamas is still holding US citizens as hostages and nobody seems to care.

      Has this ever happened before?

      1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

        Well, joe said those hostages are the admin's highest priority, so I can assume they are working around the clock on it.

      2. Moonrocks   1 year ago

        Do the Americans left behind in Afghanistan count?

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

          Yes. And that was the Biden administration as well.

      3. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

        Yes, The American hostages held in Iran.

        1. R Mac   1 year ago

          I was only a child at the time so I could be wrong, but my understanding is that it was treated as a big deal. Was it ignored, with members of Congress and many in mainstream media rooting for Iran in the conflict?

          1. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

            It was a big deal to all except the Carter administration. Even Khomeini was surprised by Carter's unwillingness to do anything. I read somewhere where Carter didn't want to interfere with a "holy man"
            Carter let the hostages rot for 444 days. The hostages were released on the day of Reagan's inauguration.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      NPR. The P is for Propaganda. Also Pricks, Posers, Pea-heads, Pansies, Pygmies...

    5. Stuck in California   1 year ago

      >spiked is actually covering the Proggie demonization of Israel, unlike Reason.

      Spiked is outside of the Beltway. Unlike Reason.

      Seriously, a libertarian magazine with all their writers being progressive journalists in progressive enclaves is not going to be very libertarian.

      Kudos to Wolfe for understanding that presenting a different viewpoint than all of her NYC (and Reason) peers is actually a good strategy.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    President Biden's plan to hire a new army of tax collectors is falling flat, and the agents already at work are targeting the middle class.

    Those tax cattle were wearing too short of skirts.

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      It must be a mistake, the Democrats swore that they needed that tax collector army for going after billionaire fat cats who didn't pay their share.

      1. HorseConch   1 year ago

        If I were a billionaire and living like a king, I would definitely hold my nose and pay those assholes all the money I owed. Nobody living as well as they do is going to risk their lifestyle for a few percent off of their tax bill. When is the last time they caught a billionaire tax cheat? They are chasing money that doesn't exist, and anyone involved with an IQ over 80 knew it when they passed it.

        1. BYODB   1 year ago

          The thing is they were always going to pass it, the lies were just for fun.

          They don't need the publics support of those bills, and they know that full well.

          Plus, the amount of people who actually pay taxes is less than half the country so we are already past the tipping point. They could outright tell us that yes, they are planning on taxing 'the middle class' through the nose and it would still sail through committee to cheers and applause from the majority of Americans.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            Yup. You want a real "threat to democracy"? When 20% of households support the rest of the country, who then vote themselves all kids of shit, that's a threat.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Hey, when you are a de-gendered barista working for $12.50 per hour, sharing a 4 bedroom condo, and have $100k in student loans, everyone else is a billionaire.

    2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Why is it a bad thing they didn’t hire a bunch of goons?

      1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

        They got $80 billion to hire a bunch of goons and didn't do it.

        1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

          Perhaps they should investigate where that went?

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            You are just asking for an audit.

            1. JesseAz   1 year ago

              Thank God this is the IRS and not elections or else the audit ask would be criminal.

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      It appears fist is scottish

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

        "Hey MacLeod! Get offa mah ewe!"

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          What's he got on under his kilt?

    4. Super Scary   1 year ago

      Some of us can't afford long, extravagant skirts anymore.

      1. R Mac   1 year ago

        Skirt length is my favorite kind of shrinkflation.

  24. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    Education is a fundamental human right

    https://x.com/Greg1Garrett/status/1775307079126806960

    Today in my Harry Potter class
    @Baylor
    , we had a hard and necessary conversation about JK Rowling and her hatred of trans- people. We decided novelist Rowling, who wrote with compassion about diversity, equity, and inclusion, is worth our attention. Twitter Rowling? Shame on her.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      Why is Harry potter being thought in collage?

      1. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

        Required course for Witchcraft majors.

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

      JK Rowling and her hatred of trans- people

      Is this the state of academia, even at a private university in Texas? Fallacies rule and begging the question goes without challenge?

      JK Rowling has absolutely nothing against trans- people (?), and has written long letters explaining exactly that. There is even a trans character in the Hogwarts video game, at her request. She specifically has a problem with men pretending to be women and taking advantage of legal protections carved out for women. The whole Rowling controversy is fucking insane beyond all belief. I seriously hope they arrest her in Scotland. The lies the Proggies tell die in the light.

      1. Moonrocks   1 year ago

        She doesn't toe the line 100%, and that makes her an apostate. Apostates and infidels are pure evil and everything they say or produce is of the devil except in specific cases where an anointed priest can safely and accurately determine otherwise (e.g. novelist Rowling).

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

        JK Rowling has absolutely nothing against trans- people (?), and has written long letters explaining exactly that.

        That's not really relevant. Cultural marxists are religious fanatics, and anything which goes against their prevailing dogma has to be squashed. "Intoleration of movements from the right, and toleration of movements from the left" is the keystone of their ideology.

        The double standard is the point. Every concession is met with additional demands, and because the only thing they understand is power, the only solution is to tell them "no" and then squash them with prejudice if and when they try to impose themselves. Like Millei says, "you can't give shit leftards an inch...if you give them an inch, they'll use it to destroy you."

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

          It's remarkable how @resistance has managed to drag the mostly cold dead corpses of misogyny and 30s style antisemitism out of the grave and breath new life into them. “Intoleration of movements from the right, and toleration of movements from the left” may be the goal but it's getting hard to tell which is which.

        2. DesigNate   1 year ago

          There’s no such thing as Cultural Marxism!!1!!11!!

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

            I wouldn't know, nobody has bitten me on the ass recently.

        3. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          What I'm hearing here is "Burn Marxists at the stake, like witches".

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

            I like where you are going with this.

      3. JesseAz   1 year ago

        To think this video went viral of a teacher using logic for a student regarding the claim just a month or two back.

        https://twitter.com/addicted2newz/status/1753702517765021907?t=1DFUXDQU1SX1VZO-SjTulw&s=19

        1. BYODB   1 year ago

          It's amusing to watch someone discover that looking at primary sources is in fact a pretty wise thing to do.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

            The fact that so many can't identify the Marxist tactic of repeating the lie until it becomes the truth is truly frightening.

    3. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      Oh good, college courses dedicated to books that shouldn't even make it onto a middle school required reading list about magic and wizards.

      Truly, advancing society

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

        That shit's been going on for a long time because college professors, especially in the liberal arts, are obsessed with intellectual fashion and pop culture.

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          And many of these professors sadly think they are brilliant scholarships because of it.

  25. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

    Privatization would be one way of solving this.

    Welcome to the Grand Opening of our Fent Car. For a low monthly rate of 1 ipad or 20 tide bottles (we except all barter trades), you can ride in style without all the hassle of dealing with sober people while you shoot up.

  26. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

    WOW. Instagram has labeled the video of Democrats calling for political v*olence as "Missing Context." It's literally on video in their own words...

    I'm sure their "independent fact-checkers" are totally impartial and not biased at all.

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Wasn't sarc screaming context to defend democrats just a couple days back? This is who they target.

    2. Super Scary   1 year ago

      "calling for political v*olence"

      Where they calling to do something peacefully and patriotically?

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      The context is that it's totally cool for Democrats to threaten and commit political violence.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        As always, it's (D)ifferent when they do it.

  27. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    Your refusal to submit and obey is authoritarian. Their demand for submission and obedience is not. 2+2 = 3. A woman can have a penis. Progressives represent 99% of the population.

    How ‘Do Your Own Research’ Might Have Doomed Democracy
    Author Tom Nichols warns that America’s growing distrust of experts could usher in a new authoritarian age: “I think a lot of people, particularly in the Trump cult, have just become cats that are so far up a tree, they don’t know how to get down.”
    https://www.gq.com/story/tom-nichols-death-of-expertise-democracy

    ...Tom Nichols: It’s even worse than that. It’s not just hobbling the ability of citizens to make informed decisions, it’s breaking down the bonds of trust that democracies rest on. None of us are willing to listen to anybody else about anything. And that’s not just an attack on knowledge, that’s basically an attack on the division of labor, in a way.

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      Well, that is impressively retarded.

    2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Freedom is slavery!

      1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

        'Freedom' is just slavery to your greed and racism. True freedom is submission to those who have risen above all that - they will free you from your enslavement to non-progressivism if you just obey.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

          Yes. Many kids read 1984 and see the slogans as evil contradictions. What they miss is that Orwell's slogans lose their contradictory nature and are equally true when inverted if you take them to heart.

          WAR IS PEACE.
          FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
          IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

          The proggies are proving it right now over Israel. They are demanding that Israel accept terrorism and call it peace.

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

      4. "Alternative facts" are just as valid as real facts.

      1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

        Depends on the scenario. I was told that lab leak was not possible and a racist conspiracy theory by "official sources" and "the experts" and my "alternative facts" told me that has to be bullshit, it came from the lab.

        So why were alternative facts correct here?

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          You are confusing "alternative facts" (which is just another phrase for 'my truth' or 'things that I wish were true') with changing conclusions based on additional data.

          Back in early 2020, the claim that the virus escaped from the lab, based on the information known at the time, was based entirely on circumstantial speculation. Now, there is much more evidence that lends credence to the claim that the virus may have escaped from the lab. That doesn't mean your circumstantial bullshit in 2020 was correct, it means we now have additional evidence to support the claim.

          1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

            "Back in early 2020, the claim that the virus escaped from the lab, based on the information known at the time, was based entirely on circumstantial speculation"

            - no, it was based on Wuhan lab workers from the Wuhan SARS coronavirus lab, where they were doing GOF research on COVID like viruses, getting sick at the site of the outbreak. This "circumstantial evidence" was significantly more compelling than the gaslighting the "experts" employed to cover their asses.

            "Now, there is much more evidence that lends credence to the claim that the virus may have escaped from the lab."

            - not really, enough time has passed that people felt comfortable crawling into their holes with the media memory holing it. Very little changed other than enough people rolling their eyes over the fanciful wet market story when faced with pretty obvious reality

            "That doesn’t mean your circumstantial bullshit in 2020 was correct, it means we now have additional evidence to support the claim."

            No, it means precisely that. This is an attempt for you to spin on behalf of your kind toward a "facts changed, so we followed the science", but anyone with a brain can see that wasn't what happened. The emperor was naked, we called him out for being naked, you lied and said "no, you are looking at him from a funny angle, he is definitely wearing clothes" and then more people came forward and said "wtf you talking about he was obviously naked, anyone could see it" and after years of weaseling you came back with "ok maybe he was naked, but that's only because we got some info though!"

            "Alternative" facts keep beating out your teams facts because they were never "facts" they were always propaganda.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              they were doing GOF research on COVID like viruses

              How much of that information was known to the general public in early 2020?

              Moreover, how many of the "lab leak theory" proponents in early 2020 used this as a justification for their beliefs, instead of the far more circumstantial/paranoid version of "I don't trust the experts so I will use Google maps and see that there is a virus lab in Wuhan and so that is PROOF that the virus escaped from there". Be honest - most if not all of the people in early 2020 making the "lab leak" claim did so only because there also happened to be a virus lab in the city of Wuhan with precisely zero knowledge of what was going on in that lab, and because they had an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias against the claims of the experts.

              Furthermore, let's not forget that many of the same people making the "lab leak" claim early on, ALSO promoted the far more idiotic claim that the virus was deliberately engineered in order to create a pandemic to punish Americans and Trump specifically. So if you mix together a somewhat plausible idea (lab leak) with a profoundly idiotic idea (deliberate biowarfare) then I think people can be forgiven for rejecting both out of hand.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                "Be honest – most if not all of the people in early 2020 making the “lab leak” claim did so only because there also happened to be a virus lab in the city of Wuhan with precisely zero knowledge of what was going on in that lab, and because they had an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias against the claims of the experts."

                This is the opposite of honesty.

                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                  Note that he admits in the part you quoted that the "experts" and their media shills went all-in on the wet market claim, which is why they called the lab leak a "conspiracy theory" instead of admitting that it was a strong possibility.

                  And let's face it, a lot of the reason they did so was because Wuhan Lab was being supported by Ecohealth Alliance, which implicated Fauci in the fuckup.

                  1. BYODB   1 year ago


                    And let’s face it, a lot of the reason they did so was because Wuhan Lab was being supported by Ecohealth Alliance, which implicated Fauci in the fuckup.

                    This can’t be repeated enough. There is close to a zero percent chance that when Fauci found out where this originated that his anus didn’t pucker.

                    The dude’s head should be rolling around in a gutter somewhere for his involvement and the subsequent cover up. I’d have at least an iota of respect for him if he had fessed up immediately to what likely happened, but instead they prevaricated for years to avoid any semblance of responsibility.

                    It’s the only plausible reason for the total denial that there was any possibility it came from the nearby research lab that he knew for a fact was researching gain of function in the exact disease that happened to break out.

                    Any real scientist worth their salt would have at least acknowledged there was a good chance it originated there even if they didn’t know for sure, but instead they blame a wet market? That is textbook propaganda and there is no question about that whatsoever.

                2. HorseConch   1 year ago

                  He wouldn't know honesty if it were dressed up as a cocaine-fueled grizzly bear jumping out of a trunk.

                3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  “Be honest – most if not all of the people in early 2020 making the “lab leak” claim did so only because there also happened to be a virus lab in the city of Wuhan with precisely zero knowledge of what was going on in that lab, and because they had an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias against the claims of the experts.”

                  I think this is truer than you wish to admit.

                4. MT-Man   1 year ago

                  That's such a weird position from him. I take that back a normal position unfortunately. Don't take the most logical route but take the bat soup/ raccoon dog steaks position and torch any attempt to discuss the truth.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                    Don’t take the most logical route but take the bat soup/ raccoon dog steaks position and torch any attempt to discuss the truth.

                    What was the origin of SARS-CoV-1 back in 2003? It had a zoonotic origin. It passed from animals to humans in - get this - a wet market in Guangdong, China.

                    So, which is really the more logical position?
                    - The virus was engineered/studied in a lab and escaped.
                    - The virus SARS-CoV-2 evolved in exactly the same way as the virus SARS-CoV-1.

                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                      Indulging in false dilemmas again, eh, chemfat?

                      The virus didn't "escape," the Wuhan workers were fucking sloppy in their safety protocols and ended up letting the virus outside its containment. The whole fucking reason the Obama adminstration cut back on such research, which was why Fauci used Ecohealth Alliance as a front group in Wuhan to keep the research going, was due to the extreme risk of a Captain Trips scenario happening.

                    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

                      No desire now to re-evaluate that first kung-flu origin story?

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      The virus didn’t “escape,” the Wuhan workers were fucking sloppy in their safety protocols and ended up letting the virus outside its containment.

                      This is a ridiculous nitpick. Even assuming the lab-leak hypothesis is true, we have no idea if the lab leak occurred due to negligence or a genuinely unpreventable accident. EITHER SITUATION may fairly be described as the virus "escaping". This is you arguing against me just for the sake of arguing against me.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      No desire now to re-evaluate that first kung-flu origin story?

                      Who, me? I still don't know how the virus first emerged. It may have been a lab leak or it may have had natural origins.

                    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                      This is a ridiculous nitpick.

                      A lab with a reputation for safety issues isn't a "nitpick."

                      we have no idea if the lab leak occurred due to negligence or a genuinely unpreventable accident.

                      You mean those risks that led the Obama administration to restrict gain of function research, which led Fauci to using Ecohealth Alliance as his front group in Wuhan?

                      EITHER SITUATION may fairly be described as the virus “escaping”. This is you arguing against me just for the sake of arguing against me.

                      You're deliberately trying to diminish the argument by framing it as something that just waltzed out the door, as opposed to negligent lab practices by the people running the lab.

                    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                      Who, me? I still don’t know how the virus first emerged. It may have been a lab leak or it may have had natural origins.

                      Is that why you've been denigrating the lab theory in this whole thread, you disingenuous fat fuck?

              2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                Also notable that jeff changed his characterization of the lab leak theory from "circumstantial bullshit" in his earlier post, to "somewhat plausible" in the post I'm replying to now.

                1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

                  Don't worry, tomorrow he'll be back to pretending it is “circumstantial bullshit”.

              3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

                So if you mix together a somewhat plausible idea (lab leak) with a profoundly idiotic idea (deliberate biowarfare) then I think people can be forgiven for rejecting both out of hand.

                Yes, jeffy. Conflating the ridiculous with the plausible is an effective tactic. That is why you latched onto it back then and are repeating it again right here.

                But it should not be forgiven. Nobody but you was confused about what was reasonable at the time. I still remember.

                1. R Mac   1 year ago

                  His dishonesty has gotten even more blatant, somehow.

                  1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                    His anger at people finally calling him out after years if sophistry. Plus the anger over the bears in trunk metaphor. He even still defends it as valid.

                    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

                      Oh, those silly bears in trunks.

                      I am so glad I got to be there. He really revealed himself that day, devolving as he tried to defend his absurdity until he finally got stuck in a loop. The guy that claims isn't just here to defend Democrats:

                      chemjeff radical individualist 2 years ago
                      Here’s another one that Chucky might appreciate.

                      Democrats are evil and Democrats are evil and Democrats are evil and Democrats are evil. Are Democrats still evil?

                      Log in to Reply

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Oh, so you want to talk about bears in trunks? That was a metaphor for the problem of negligence, which is a concept that libertarians generally have difficulty with.

                      So, is negligence a violation of the NAP? If so, can you precisely describe the aggression that occurred, and by whom? If not, then can you state how, in a libertarian-type system, harm that results from acts of negligence are redressed?

                    3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

                      Oh, so you want to talk about bears in trunks? That was a metaphor for the problem of negligence, which is a concept that libertarians generally have difficulty with.

                      It was an absurdist attempt to conflate failure to vaccinate with failure to quarantine. It has been made even more absurd by the passage of time as you cannot point to a single study that definitively demonstrates that the COVID vaccine has ever prevented anyone from contracting or transmitting the virus.

                  2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

                    It's the Democrat trend.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              – not really, enough time has passed that people felt comfortable crawling into their holes with the media memory holing it.

              Again, this is not being fair. There were entire investigations into the origin of the virus and the results of those investigations only became publicly known in early 2023 or so.

              No, it means precisely that.

              Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus escaped from a lab only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a virus lab in Wuhan. That's not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit.

              1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

                "Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus escaped from a lab only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a virus lab in Wuhan. That’s not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit."

                Occam's razor wins again. The contest was between pretty obvious circumstantial evidence, and a made up CYA fairytale. So no, it wasn't just the most likely circumstantial "bullshit", it also happened to be the truth

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  made up CYA fairytale

                  But see, this is just the opposite side of the same coin where they call you a bunch of conspiracy theorists. If you want them to take your good-faith reasoning seriously, maybe you should take their good-faith reasoning seriously.

                  The virus jumping between species at a wet market is an entirely plausible hypothesis, viruses jumping between species has happened before, and it still may wind up being the correct explanation for the origin of the COVID-19 virus.

                  1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                    "But see, this is just the opposite side of the same coin where they call you a bunch of conspiracy theorists. If you want them to take your good-faith reasoning seriously, maybe you should take their good-faith reasoning seriously."

                    ^In which Jeff tries to pretend that he hasn't been the one calling people conspriracy theorists. He now tries to posture as if he's an objective moderator between the two positions.

                    Jeff, you have stated up and down the thread that the skeptics are guilty of "circumstantial bullshit." Could you be any more disingenuous?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      I do call people conspiracy theorists. I don’t pretend to be an objective neutral moderator. That is you imposing a standard on me that I never agreed to adopt. I am simply making a point: if you don’t want to be falsely labeled a conspiracy theorist based on your good-faith arguments, maybe you shouldn’t be going around criticizing OTHER good-faith arguments as “propaganda”. And maybe you should accept good-faith criticism of your argument instead of getting bitchy and defensive about it. The fact of the matter is, IN EARLY 2020, the ONLY evidence that was publicly known for the claim that the virus escaped from a lab, was nothing but a conjecture based on the fact that there was a virus lab in Wuhan. That's it. And it is not unreasonable or unfair to dismiss that argument based on lack of evidence.

                    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      Good faith is something you have yet to display here.

                    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      A virus originating from a place where there is a virus-lab was a perfectly reasonable, common-sense position to take. Could it have been false? Sure. But those who took stated that position were derided as racists and tin-foil hat wearers. You still continue to do so, up to the present.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Good faith is something you have yet to display here.

                      Oh fuck you. I display more good faith effort here than I will ever be given credit for.

                      A virus originating from a place where there is a virus-lab was a perfectly reasonable, common-sense position to take.

                      Compared to the other hypothesis, that the virus jumped species in a wet market, exactly like how SARS-CoV-1 originated? It absolutely does sound nutty.

                      But those who took stated that position were derided as racists and tin-foil hat wearers. You still continue to do so, up to the present.

                      You claim to be operating in good faith - when have I ever called anyone a "racist" for a belief in the lab-leak hypothesis?

                    5. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Lol, here’s Lying Jeffy calling people out for calling propaganda, propaganda.

                    6. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      “Oh fuck you. I display more good faith effort here than I will ever be given credit for.”

                      You started the thread with the lab leak being “bullshit” then later changed it to “somewhat plausible.” You don’t seem to be able to decide which it is, but it seems to depend on whether you’re trying to seem smarter than the other posters, or trying to appear reasonable and accommodating to other viewpoints.

                      I’ve been here long enough to know that you’re neither.

                    7. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      "when have I ever called anyone a “racist” for a belief in the lab-leak hypothesis?"

                      As you well know, those who put forth the lab leak theory were derided as racist against the Chinese.

                      You have done the tinfoil hat accusation up and down the thread all day. Racist - no, at least not in this thread, although you're no stranger to those type of accusations elsewhere.

                    8. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      You started the thread with the lab leak being “bullshit”

                      Be honest. I was referring to how the argument was presented back in early 2020, not currently.

                      then later changed it to “somewhat plausible.”

                      Yes, "somewhat plausible" TO YOU.

                      Why do you always have to interpret everything I write in the worst possible manner?

                      And yes, if you want to claim credit for promoting the lab-leak hypothesis as being correct now because you believed it back in early 2020 when the only evidence in favor of it was pure conjecture because there was a virus lab already in Wuhan, then no you don't get credit.

                    9. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      I don't give a shit about "claiming credit" for anything; hell, I wasn't even on this forum in 2020. I'm pointing out that there was always very reasonable evidence for the lab leak theory, and it seems to have borne out. And, some of the same authorities we were urged to believe at the time, have been shown to be lying to cover themselves in the most corrupt ways.

                      "Why do you always have to interpret everything I write in the worst possible manner?"

                      I take what you write at face-value, except where it contradicts what you have written elsewhere (you refer to this as "gotcha-games")

                      Your posting history (in the time I have been here) puts you long past deserving the benefit of the doubt. You regularly posture yourself as one of the only libertarians on the board. You have individualist in your screen name, while you are no such thing.

                    10. damikesc   1 year ago

                      "I do call people conspiracy theorists. I don’t pretend to be an objective neutral moderator. That is you imposing a standard on me that I never agreed to adopt. I am simply making a point: if you don’t want to be falsely labeled a conspiracy theorist based on your good-faith arguments, maybe you shouldn’t be going around criticizing OTHER good-faith arguments as “propaganda”. And maybe you should accept good-faith criticism of your argument instead of getting bitchy and defensive about it. The fact of the matter is, IN EARLY 2020, the ONLY evidence that was publicly known for the claim that the virus escaped from a lab, was nothing but a conjecture based on the fact that there was a virus lab in Wuhan. That’s it. And it is not unreasonable or unfair to dismiss that argument based on lack of evidence."

                      There were two options:

                      1) It came from a wet market even though literally zero evidence exists that it evolved naturally at all.
                      2) It came from a lab thats deals with highly infectious diseases.

                      At this point, #1 is a far less likely scenario and no evidence has been presented to justify it.

                    11. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                      Compared to the other hypothesis, that the virus jumped species in a wet market, exactly like how SARS-CoV-1 originated? It absolutely does sound nutty.

                      It doesn't sound nutty at all when the Wuhan Lab was known for being shit in their safety efforts.

                      It sounds nutty to people who were desperate to believe it was a wet market release, because a lab leak might damage the reputation of their precious "experts" who are never wrong at anything.

                    12. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      I’m pointing out that there was always very reasonable evidence for the lab leak theory,

                      In early 2020? No there wasn't. The "evidence" was, again, tantamount to the "wet roads cause rain" fallacy. That there is a virus lab in Wuhan doesn't prove that the virus escaped from the lab, no more than the presence of a hospital in Wuhan proves that cancer is caused by the hospital.

                      So the people who now want to claim "aha! we were right all along!" want to try to take credit for believing in a logical fallacy.

                      I take what you write at face-value, except where it contradicts what you have written elsewhere (you refer to this as “gotcha-games”)

                      No, you don't. You deliberately twist what I write to try to entrap me, in some game.

                    13. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      1) It came from a wet market even though literally zero evidence exists that it evolved naturally at all.

                      Except that is how the previous SARS virus emerged. If you see a brand new SARS-like virus, absent any additional information, I think it would be absolutely reasonable to make a hypothesis that the new SARS virus emerged in the same way that the previous SARS virus emerged. And there IS substantial overlap between the genetic sequence of the original SARS-CoV-2 virus and a virus found in bats that (IIRC) were sold at that market.

                    14. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      It doesn’t sound nutty at all when the Wuhan Lab was known for being shit in their safety efforts.

                      What exactly did you know in February/March 2020 about the safety record of the Wuhan virus lab? Hmm? I'm willing to bet: nothing.

                    15. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                      What exactly did you know in February/March 2020 about the safety record of the Wuhan virus lab? Hmm? I’m willing to bet: nothing.

                      Noting that there's a virology lab in the area, like Jerryskids did, and follow-up research on its reputation, you fat sack of shit. Which leads to further revelations that Ecohealth Alliance started helping the lab with gain of function research on these viruses, supported by Fauci, after Obama restricted those practices in the US.

                      You're so desperate to protect the reputation of your precious "experts" that you're desperately flailing here now.

                    16. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Lying Jeffy relies on intentional ignorance, so he assumes (or lies about it) that everyone is as ignorant as he is.

                      This whole thread is literally him arguing that everyone that got Covid right did so accidentally, and people like him that got everything wrong, were really right, but facts changed.

                      It’s the reasoning of a psychopath.

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                Again, this is not being fair. There were entire investigations into the origin of the virus and the results of those investigations only became publicly known in early 2023 or so.

                Oh, fuck off. People who promoted the lab leak theory were being denigrated as conspiracy theorists for fucking YEARS. This "investigations were being conducted!" is just misdirection and deflection from what actually happened.

                Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus escaped from a lab only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a virus lab in Wuhan. That’s not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit.

                Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus started in a wet market only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a wet market in Wuhan. That’s not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit. But that is what the "experts" and lefty sources were all claiming for years.

                1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

                  "Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus started in a wet market only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a wet market in Wuhan. That’s not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit. But that is what the “experts” and lefty sources were all claiming for years."

                  Be fair now, they went from a wet market bat that fucked a pangolin, to a rabid racoon-dog. It was an evolving theory of gaslighting ass-covering bullshittery.

                  All the while Fauci appeared for dozens of congressional hearings lecturing detractors with "YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT!!"

                  1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                    Racoon dogs are still to blame.

                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                    It was an evolving theory of gaslighting ass-covering bullshittery.

                    It was actually an evolving set of plausible testable hypotheses to explain the origin of the virus, that we all got to observe in real time because each new hypothesis was breathlessly presented in the major media. It is actually how science works, it's just that most of the time not everyone sees all of the intermediate steps and hypotheses that are rejected in the end until the final, accepted one is adopted.

                    You are entirely not being fair to scientists and individuals who worked in good faith to try to come up with evidence and hypotheses to explain the virus origin.

                    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      "You are entirely not being fair to scientists and individuals who worked in good faith to try to come up with evidence and hypotheses to explain the virus origin."

                      Does this include fauci?

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      I think Fauci behaved more like a politician than a scientist, frankly.

                    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      "I think Fauci behaved more like a politician than a scientist, frankly."

                      So you distrust Fauci then? Are you displaying an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias?

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      So you distrust Fauci then? Are you displaying an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias?

                      Is this "good faith" - trying to play gotcha games with me?

                      My opinion on Fauci is based on my observation of his individual actions, not merely because he held a position of authority.

                    5. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      Pointing out your contradictions and double standards is not gotcha games.

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      But this is not a double standard. This is you trying to twist my statements into a supposed double standard so that you can play a gotcha game.

                      This is what I wrote above:
                      " they had an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias against the claims of the experts."

                      Note I wrote expertS, plural. Meaning, that in my statement, I am claiming that they are irrationally opposed to 'experts' as a general rule because they are experts, not based on specific statements or acts of those experts. It is the same anti-elitist sentiment that is commonly displayed around here. They object to what the experts say because they are 'elitists'.

                      But then, you twist that into a specific claim about one specific expert, Fauci. My objection to him is not because he is an 'elite' or because he claims to be an 'expert'. My objection to him is based on his specific acts which did harm to his reputation as well as to the cause of scientific inquiry generally, where he unwisely mixed his scientific authority with behavior more in common with a politician.

                      And be honest: you asked me specifically about Fauci because you wanted to try to entrap me. If I answered "yes, I thought Fauci was a great guy", you would respond with a long list of Fauci's calumnies and condemn me for trusting him. If I answered "no, I thought Fauci did not behave properly", you would (as you did) condemn me as contradicting myself with my statement above. Either way, I was damned, right? That is what you purposefully set out to do.

                      JUST LIKE: you are now on the prowl for anyone using any hint of dehumanizing language, so as to throw it in their face as evidence of their hypocrisy if they objected to Trump doing the same. Because the goal here is not to discuss why dehumanizing language is good or bad, it is to play gotcha games.

                      You seem to have a habit of this. So don't claim purity and innocence where it doesn't exist.

                      If all you want to do is to try to play gotcha games, then I'll just put you on ignore. It is tiresome and dumb.

                    7. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                      Shorter chemfat: "Experts are never wrong at anything, ever. That's why they're experts and why people should never question them."

                    8. R Mac   1 year ago

                      “And be honest: you asked me specifically about Fauci because you wanted to try to entrap me.”

                      This is what projection looks like.

                    9. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

                      “…..scientists and individuals who worked in good faith….”

                      Jesus fucking Christ Jeff, the first people to get sick worked at the lab. Even if we didn’t know that right away, I’m sure they found out very early on in their “investigation”. And 2 years later we were still hearing about raccoon dogs?

                      Seriously dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? Do you work for the government?

                  3. JesseAz   1 year ago

                    You are entirely not being fair to scientists and individuals who worked in good faith to try to come up with evidence and hypotheses to explain the virus origin.

                    Even this is a lie. We have literally emails and memos from the CDC showing the origin of the wet market theory and the discrediting of the lab leak theory being from EcoAlliance who was the agent funneling taxpayer money to Wuhan. Fauci even sent an email to people skeptical of wet market theories to change their viewpoint through grant funding mechanisms.

                    You can't even be honest with your characterizations here Jeff. Mendacity piece of shit.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      The origin of the wet market hypothesis ultimately is that it is how SARS-CoV-1 came to be, and SARS-CoV-2 is its close relative.

                    2. Truthfulness   1 year ago

                      No, it was a cover-up to hide the true origins of COVID: the Wuhan Lab.

                2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                  Jeff's razor: believe official explanations, regardless of plausibility.

                  1. DesigNate   1 year ago

                    It’s amazing how much deference and benefit-of-the-doubt a self proclaimed “radical individualist” and supposed libertarian gives to the state.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      It is not deference "to the state". It is recognition of legitimate expertise.

                    2. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Expertise in propaganda, that you accepted.

                    3. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      Except they have proven time and time again that they aren’t always experts and that they will almost always error on the side of the government taking more power, consequences be damned.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      You're right! The experts aren't always right! Because no human being is ever right 100% of the time!

                    5. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      It’s not that they get things wrong, obviously nobody is perfect, it’s that they’ll be wrong and instead of taking it on the chin they double down, lie, obfuscate, try to suppress, and denigrate people that disagree with them/try to prove them wrong.

                      Surprise, surprise, when government experts aren’t forthcoming and transparent (or better yet, refuse to admit they were wrong), it breeds distrust in their fellow citizens.

                3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus started in a wet market only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a wet market in Wuhan. That’s not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit. But that is what the “experts” and lefty sources were all claiming for years.

                  Who in a position of scientific authority ever claimed that the wet market hypothesis was a PROVEN UNDENIABLE FACT? Sure maybe some idiot politicians said that, but not the scientists who actually know things.

                  1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

                    Jeff, in January of 2021, the WHO "described a lab accident as “extremely unlikely.”, as quoted in a Science article from September 2021 headlined with "Why many scientists say it’s unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 originated from a “lab leak”"

                    Which is odd, because it was reported in July 2021 that "The WHO's Chief Says It Was Premature To Rule Out A Lab Leak As The Pandemic's Origin"

                    But, not coincidentally, the story about EcoHealth Alliance also broke in September, only to be met with a flood of media outlets reporting that the lab leak had been debunked.

                    And as of August 2023 it was still being reported that "The laboratory accident hypothesis of COVID-19’s origins is a bust, but the popular consensus is unwilling to accept it." despite multiple intelligence gathering agencies conclusions that contradict that coming in March of 2023.

                    You have been here each time bleating the same story that you never closed your mind to what was always the most likely scenario and accusing others of believing conspiracy theories for accepting the most likely scenario originally.

                    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      But they didn't literally say PROVEN UNDENIABLE FACT!

                      -jeff

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Jeff, in January of 2021, the WHO “described a lab accident as “extremely unlikely.”, as quoted in a Science article from September 2021 headlined with “Why many scientists say it’s unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 originated from a “lab leak””

                      That was from February 2020, not January 2021.

                      Which is odd, because it was reported in July 2021 that “The WHO’s Chief Says It Was Premature To Rule Out A Lab Leak As The Pandemic’s Origin”

                      Huh, weird. So they are doing exactly as the scientific method demands: using new evidence to inform their decisions.

                      But, not coincidentally, the story about EcoHealth Alliance also broke in September, only to be met with a flood of media outlets reporting that the lab leak had been debunked.

                      So in YOUR MIND, this is all coordinated together. A story about EcoHealth Alliance broke, and NOT COINCIDENTALLY, there's a bunch of stories 'debunking' the lab leak theory. Why, it's almost as if the giant cabal of deep state perpetrators is deliberately pushing propaganda to prop up their narrative and obfuscate the truth! Or, it is all in your head.

                      Once again, nothing definitive has been proved.

                    3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

                      So in YOUR MIND, this is all coordinated together. A story about EcoHealth Alliance broke, and NOT COINCIDENTALLY, there’s a bunch of stories ‘debunking’ the lab leak theory. Why, it’s almost as if the giant cabal of deep state perpetrators is deliberately pushing propaganda to prop up their narrative and obfuscate the truth! Or, it is all in your head.

                      Except is isn't in my head. A story broke that identified serious conflicts of interest involving scientists who signed a letter stating a lab leak was far less likely than a natural occurrence AND a bunch a of stories "debunking" the lab leak theory were issued at the same time. There is no need for those things to be coordinated to be true. It actually happened.

                      You are the fuckstain insisting there either must be a conspiracy or it didn't happen. I am perfectly willing to believe that the MSM thinks they did the right thing by supporting Fauci despite mounting evidence that his integrity was compromised. Just like the CDC supported Cuomo and Pritzker and all the other assholes whose policies caused more harm than good. Just like the public health experts supported masking and vaccine mandates. Just like you did the same, and justified it to protect people from trunk bears.

                    4. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

                      Once again, nothing definitive has been proved.

                      You have proved something definitive here today; that you are an insufferable twat that will continue to argue long after your fallacies have been exposed.

            3. JesseAz   1 year ago

              I for one love Jeff's excuse making for intentional lies and narratives that he pretends were a conspiracy theory until the evidence is too great to overcome. Sarc too.

              It shows how intellectually weak they are, intellectually lazy and dishonest they are, how willingly they push state and leftist narratives.... then blame you for not having the same base characteristics.

              1. MT-Man   1 year ago

                It's unfortunate he hasn't given up on this.

                1. R Mac   1 year ago

                  Personally I find it highly entertaining.

                  1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                    Same. Watching them continue to rage against those who are more consistently right while screaming those who were right are still conspiracy theorists is hilarious. Then denying they are state narrative pushing morons who are open to objective arguments is also hilarious.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      The conspiracy theory/reject-all-authority crowd are not "more consistently right". Instead, all your experience proves is that (a) experts are not right 100% of the time, and (b) you all don't understand how science actually works in practice, mistaking good faith efforts to modify and/or reject hypotheses when new data is presented, for "lying" and "propaganda" and "fraud". And even when your crew is right, it is more like a stopped-clock phenomenon: you are right for the wrong reasons. *IF* SARS-CoV-2 is ever definitively shown to have originated from the Wuhan virus lab, it will NOT be because some morons in early 2020 learned how to use Google Maps to locate a virus lab in Wuhan.

                    2. R Mac   1 year ago

                      “some morons in early 2020 learned how to use Google Maps to locate a virus lab in Wuhan.”

                      I knew how to use google maps well before 2020.

                      And I’m pretty consistently right about most things discussed here.

                    3. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      Not enough condescension in this post. Do better guy.

                    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                      The conspiracy theory/reject-all-authority crowd are not “more consistently right”. Instead, all your experience proves is that (a) experts are not right 100% of the time, and (b) you all don’t understand how science actually works in practice, mistaking good faith efforts to modify and/or reject hypotheses when new data is presented, for “lying” and “propaganda” and “fraud”.

                      When those “experts” went all-in on suppressing anyone who argued for the lab leak and poisoned the well on it as conspiracy theorists, they absolutely earned every bit of distrust they get from here on out. Especially after it's now come out recently that "science" journals have been deliberately pushing fear porn on "climate change" for explicity political and quasi-religious purposes ("The danger requires us to be alarmist"), rather than scientific ones, denigrating anyone who works to debunk their fear narratives.

                      Never take anything the “experts” say at face value.

            4. Super Scary   1 year ago

              "“Alternative” facts keep beating out your teams facts because they were never “facts” they were always propaganda."

              "We choose truth over facts." - Joe Biden

            5. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

              ^ Word.

            6. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              The emperor was naked, we called him out for being naked

              What is closer to the truth, is that you were going to call out the emperor for being naked whether or not he was. It didn't really matter what the experts said - you are so distrusting of them that you were going to make up whatever 'alternative facts' that you wished in order to disagree with them. And since the experts are never right 100% of the time, you are going to take the one or two times that you were right and they were wrong, and try to prove that the experts are always wrong or something.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                When the “experts” make claims that ignore or contradict known facts (wuhan lab), and/or contradict prior positions they held (masks don't work, wait-a-minute, yes they do, wait-a-minute-again, no they don't), and/or appear to be aimed at helping one political side – yes, it is ok to distrust them.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                  What about the wet-market hypothesis "ignore or contradict known facts"? The fact that there was a virus lab in Wuhan? I mean, I don't know what to say - you seem to think that the very fact that there was a virus lab in Wuhan is PROOF that the virus escaped from the lab? that's the very problem that I am talking about. It isn't proof, it is conjecture only, and alternative hypotheses are not required to accept your conjecture as PROOF.

                  1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                    This isn't a matter of proof, it's a matter of common-sense, and anyone not going along with the official line being dismissed.

                    Yes, they ignored the fact that there was a lab there. Those who pointed it out (not as PROOF, but as "hey, doesn't common-sense indicate a connection here?") were dismissed as racists and CT'ers. Was that done in good faith, jeff?

                    Some of the very same "experts" who did this have since been revealed as covering up their own bad behavior. Were they arguing in good faith at the time jeff?

                    "Radical individualist"

                    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      I mean even basic understanding of viral sizes against pore sizes showed "the science" to be utter bullshit. So jeff and his other useful idiots tried claiming surface contact and mucas. Despite, again, 100 years of science he was given time and time again about viral airborne viruses. Then sites like Google burying those historical research papers was the icing on the cake.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Yes, they ignored the fact that there was a lab there. Those who pointed it out (not as PROOF, but as “hey, doesn’t common-sense indicate a connection here?”)

                      That is not "common sense", that is a logical fallacy, along the lines of "wet roads cause rain". And once again, show me any scientific authority figure who said that the lab-leak hypothesis was IMPOSSIBLE. None did, only that they believed that the wet-market hypothesis was more plausible, and for good reason. You seem disappointed that there were any alternative hypotheses at all.

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      I mean even basic understanding of viral sizes against pore sizes showed “the science” to be utter bullshit.

                      Oh fuck you. This has been explained to you about a billion times. The size of an individual virus particle is MEANINGLESS in a real-world context because individual viruses never appear alone. They are always trapped in some type of matrix, in this case, a matrix of droplets from one's breath. The mask only has to be able to stop the droplets, which they can do (to varying degrees), not the size of the individual virus itself.

                      It is EXACTLY THE SAME with the HIV virus and the pore sizes of condoms. The size of an individual HIV virus is smaller than the pore size of a typical condom, yet no one in their right mind would claim that condoms are "totally worthless" against stopping the transmission of HIV.

                    4. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      "logical fallacy, along the lines of “wet roads cause rain”

                      Jeff, you have a sarcasmic-level understanding of logic.

                    5. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      Which logical fallacy would that be?

                      I mean, it’s definitely not Appeal to Authority.

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      correlation =/= causation

                      That there is a virus lab in Wuhan does not PROVE that the virus escaped from the Wuhan virus lab.

                    7. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                      That there is a virus lab in Wuhan does not PROVE that the virus escaped from the Wuhan virus lab.

                      That the first COVID was traced to a wet market does not PROVE the virus came from a wet market.

                  2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

                    Jeff, how long do you think it took the “scientists working in good faith” to notice that that the virus was likely engineered and was missing some aspects that would point to a zoonotic, animal to people transfer? 3 years?

                    Seriously, I don’t know what to say.

                2. JesseAz   1 year ago

                  It wasn't even the mask work, they don't work, yes they work.

                  It was then throwing out 100 years if research including even studies post Spanish Flu then pushing the lies over and over. Especially with make it at home cloth masks. And Jeff was at the forefront of this "science" bordering on Lysenkoism.

                  It wasn't science. It was false science to push political behavior changes. And Jeff is at the front of that abuse. Still defending it even today. He is a statist fuck.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                    I will absolutely agree that there were some people who took the push to wear masks too far. But at the end of the day, wearing a mask, even improperly, was, all else equal, most of the time, better than doing nothing at all.

                    1. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Haha, even this is dumb and wrong. Keeping exhaled breath in your face isn’t better than nothing.

                      But keep going Lying Jeffy, you’re doing great!

                    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      "But at the end of the day, wearing a mask, even improperly, was, all else equal, most of the time, better than doing nothing at all."

                      The authorities did not agree with this at the start of covid. They urged people to NOT wear masks, unless sick, because of complacency risks due to improper use.

                      Were the authorities right or wrong?

                      And no, this isn't a gotcha game.

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      And no, this isn’t a gotcha game.

                      Bullshit. You don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Of course this is a gotcha game. If I say "yes they were wrong" then you will throw it in my face as an apparent contradiction. If I say "no they weren't wrong" then you will condemn me for trusting experts when they later changed their tune and advocated masks.

                      And the reason why I know this is a gotcha game is because you are misstating the reason why the experts - Fauci in particular - changed his tune on masks. It was NOT due to "complacency risk". It was due to a possible risk of a shortage of masks with everyone running out to buy masks when the first responders were the ones who really needed them.

                      So fuck off. I do not feel compelled to answer your bullshit question. If you want to restate your question, with the proper rationalization, with *citations* to *prove* your claims (because I do not trust you), then maybe I will reconsider.

          2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            Facts changed!

          3. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

            Was noting the co-location of the wuhan lab with the virus' origin in wuhan an application of Occam's Razor, or "circumstantial bullshit?"

            1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

              "The guy locked in the room with the raped strangled woman, with blood on his hands and dick, in all likelihood raped and strangled the woman"

              Everyone: "Ya, that's Occam's razor, no shit"

              Jeffy: "Circumstantial bullshit!"

          4. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

            Back in early 2020, the claim that the virus escaped from the lab, based on the information known at the time, was based entirely on circumstantial speculation.

            The "wet market" claim was based on the same supposition, and it was pretty obvious early on that it was meant as a misdirection from Wuhan Lab fuckery that was being conducted in cooperation with Fauci's EcoHealth Alliance front group, because the press, the CDC, the WHO, and the medical industrial complex went in to full-on suppression mode to try and discredit the theory.

            Shit, Jerryskids was the first commenter here to point out, within about two weeks of the pandemic formally being recognized, the rather notable coincidence that there was a virology institute with a reputation for shitty safety practices right at ground zero for where COVID took off.

          5. R Mac   1 year ago

            Just because you remained ignorant to facts the rest of us knew, because they contradicted the narrative you had accepted, doesn’t make those facts bullshit, it makes you a leftist retard.

            1. JesseAz   1 year ago

              Jeff loves his intentional ignorance to promote state narratives. And he and sarc both love still calling those that didn't greedily lap up false narratives as conspiracy theorists even now.

              It is their partisan nature.

    4. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      Their issue isn't an attack on knowledge or understanding, its that they lost their "appeal to authority/experts" card after playing it so much when the world has the cheat code of the internet to see when the experts are fully lying.

      They actually also have the ability to claw back some power, but the only method to do so is sitting down with those that disagree, and changing minds through rational debate and showing your work.

      But they dont want that, and never wanted that. Those annoying poors with their new fangled internet and access to information are too uppity, and its really hard to tell them "sit down, shut up, and agree that the sky is orange and water is dry or else something bad will happen" when a quick google search (as well as their lying eyes) disproves everything they say.

      They want their nobility/aristocracy/clergy status and not to be questioned by the filthy masses.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

        sitting down with those that disagree, and changing minds through rational debate and showing your work.

        lol

        What would convince you, for example, that the 2020 election was not stolen?

        1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

          I dont personally think it was

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

            Okay, good for you. So what do you think would convince the 50+% of Republicans who do think the election was stolen?

            1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

              Who cares? People are allowed to have opinions.

            2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

              What would convince you, for example, that the 2020 election was not stolen?

              I dont personally think it was

              So what do you think would convince the 50+% of Republicans who do think the election was stolen?

              This could be in a textbook on logic as an illustration of moving the goalposts. And to top if off you pulled 50+% straight out of your ass. You could not be any more transparent, dipshit.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                It's ok for jeff, sarc, and plug to pull shit out of their asses. They argue in good faith.

                1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                  They have good intentions.

                  Sure we have seen the same issues repeated since 2020 with 4 elections overturned due to the same type of fraud, but trust government and their expertise.

              2. R Mac   1 year ago

                I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.

              3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                This is you being an asshole. As you admitted yesterday, you freely and openly treat me like dogshit so you will never respond to me in good faith.

                It's not "moving the goalposts", it's asking a completely different question. I even acknowledged his response and moved on to a different question. A person of good faith would see that, but you choose it as a false basis to launch an attack on me.

                And here is a recent poll:
                https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/03/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-think-2020-election-illegitimate/index.html

                CNN Poll: Percentage of Republicans who think Biden’s 2020 win was illegitimate ticks back up near 70%

                Oh, but the poll didn't say "stolen", it said "illegitimate!" The fundamental point remains, however, lots and lots of Republicans think that the election in 2020 was worse than it really was. A person of good faith would recognize that, but you will use that to launch a baseless attack.

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

                  As you admitted yesterday, you freely and openly treat me like dogshit so you will never respond to me in good faith.

                  You lying sack of crap, everyone is free to read what I actually wrote. That how I treat you is based on the quality of your comments.

                  As for good faith, you clearly can't grasp the concept. "50+% of Republicans who do think the election was stolen" does not include people who "merely suspect it was not legitimate". That second category includes myself and I have never once claimed the election was stolen. Did you even read your own fucking link?

                  the share who believe there is solid evidence proving the election was not legitimate stands at 39%, while 30% say it is merely their suspicion

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                    That how I treat you is based on the quality of your comments.

                    Oh, so you call me a Marxist because I have expressed support for Marxism? No, it's because you're an asshole who will never respond to me in good faith.

                    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

                      I am honoring the name you have chosen for yourself:
                      Chem = drugs
                      Jeff = I assume your name is Jeff
                      Radical = Marxist
                      Individualist = sophist

                      Does radical always equal Marxist? No, but you utilize tactics from Rules for Radicals which is a Marxist training manual.

                      Does individualist always mean sophist? No, but it does the based on your posting history.

                      Does chem mean drugs? You have never commented otherwise.

                      Does Jeff really mean Jeff? I don't know or care.

                      I know you know the handle I originally chose, because you have alluded to it previously. Chuckles the Snarky Piggy is a riff on a hilarious character from the cartoon show Dave the Barbarian which my kids used to watch on the Disney Channel. I definitely rise to the level of snark over silly. Muahahaha!

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Okay, I get it now. You are one of those people who is a completely self-absorbed narcissistic asshole, who makes assumptions about people and in your mind, those assumptions become set in permanent concrete to the extent that they become absolute objective reality. It then becomes, to you, the obligation of everyone else to disprove those assumptions and to prove to you that they are not the people that you have assumed them to be. But because it is impossible to prove a negative, they inevitably fail and your assumptions remain reality (in your head).

                      In other words: you're a fucking bigot.

                    3. R Mac   1 year ago

                      “Okay, I get it now. You are one of those people who is a completely self-absorbed narcissistic asshole,”

                      Oh boy, Lying Jeffy is deep in his projection.

                2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

                  Oh, but the poll didn’t say “stolen”, it said “illegitimate!” The fundamental point remains, however, lots and lots of Republicans think that the election in 2020 was worse than it really was. A person of good faith would recognize that, but you will use that to launch a baseless attack.

                  This part is so fucking hilarious it deserves its own response.

                  Not only is it a vain attempt to preemptively dispute a reasonable response, it is categorically false. "Worse than it really was" is a completely subjective statement. You can't use it to defend the fact that illegitimate does not equal stolen, or the fact that 30% merely consider it a possibility.

                  It is without question that numerous jurisdictions did not follow their own voting requirements, justifying the changes because of emergency orders. That alone qualifies categorization as illegitimate.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                    illegitimate does not equal stolen

                    You are right. Illegitimate does not equal stolen. When I posted that 50+% figure above, I should have put 'illegitimate' instead of 'stolen'. I was wrong.

                    Now, maybe you might want to admit that you were wrong to accuse me of 'moving the goalposts' when I wasn't.

                    It is without question that numerous jurisdictions did not follow their own voting requirements, justifying the changes because of emergency orders. That alone qualifies categorization as illegitimate.

                    But the emergency orders were, except for one exception which I can think of, pursuant to the voting rules of those states. If you want to argue that the states should not have issued emergency orders, then that's fine. But making a different policy choice than you would have preferred, consistent with their own rules, doesn't necessarily make the result 'illegitimate'.

                    1. R Mac   1 year ago

                      “You are right. Illegitimate does not equal stolen. When I posted that 50+% figure above, I should have put ‘illegitimate’ instead of ‘stolen’. I was wrong.”

                      Except you keep doing this.

                    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      Your mea culpa doesn't ring true, since you will likely go back to doing the same shit tomorrow.

                    3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

                      Now, maybe you might want to admit that you were wrong to accuse me of ‘moving the goalposts’ when I wasn’t.

                      Let us analyze that statement based on what you already admitted:

                      It’s not “moving the goalposts”, it’s asking a completely different question. I even acknowledged his response and moved on to a different question.

                      You moved on? You asked the exact same question about a group instead of an individual. That meets all the criteria for moving the goalposts. You didn't get the answer you expected (an argument that it was stolen) so you shifted your point to try to prove in general what you failed to prove specifically.

                      Arguing in good faith would have been to stop when you got agreement, not to shift to "you might not think so, but most Republicans do." I then demonstrated that your point failed in the specific and the general. You then falsely accused me of a fallacy and tried that preemptive defense bullshit. And now you want to me admit I was wrong while still defending your stupid original argument, to which I also agreed. This statement:

                      But the emergency orders were, except for one exception which I can think of, pursuant to the voting rules of those states

                      Is a gross misstatement. It is well documented that multiple states switched to vote by mail without proper review, mailed ballots that were not requested, and accepted late ballots in violation of their laws.

                      What you do is not honest discourse.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      You didn’t get the answer you expected (an argument that it was stolen)

                      But that is not what I was expecting. That is what you ASSUMED I was expecting. I was expecting, as the question asked, evidence that would convince him that the election wasn't stolen. When he didn't provide that - because as he claimed, he didn't think the election was stolen - then I asked a different question, not what would convince HIM, but what would convince OTHERS that the election wasn't stolen.

                      The question was never, "Was the election stolen? Yes or no?" I am not interested in that question because in my mind, it is not even a debatable proposition. The election wasn't stolen, period. The question was always, "What is convincing evidence in favor of the proposition that the election wasn't stolen?"

                      Arguing in good faith would have been to stop when you got agreement

                      We never got to any agreement about the evidence necessary to be convincing.

                      So you were wrong in what my original question was, so you have no basis to claim that I was 'moving the goalposts', because you had no understanding of where the goalposts were in the first place.

                    5. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Your mea culpa doesn’t ring true, since you will likely go back to doing the same shit tomorrow.

                      copout.

            3. damikesc   1 year ago

              Probably the same that it will take to convince the 2/3 of Dems (actually, closer to 3/4) who still think 2016 was stolen.

              https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2022/democrats_still_believe_russia_changed_2016_election

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                OMG! You mean, election denialism isn't confined to just Republican idiots? You mean, there are also Democratic idiots who are election deniers? You are absolutely right!

        2. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

          The best you could do, based on examination of the facts, is to show that the 2020 election was so plagued with irregularities and bad or even illegal procedures, that the result cannot be trusted, whether or not there was a covert effort at widespread cheating.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

            ^This. It is not a difficult argument to defend. Courts allowed mail in voting and extended deadlines despite legislation specifically forbidding it. That alone taints the results.

            I understand there is no incontrovertible evidence of fraud and accept the results based on that. But the electoral college results were determined by less than 200,000 votes among a handful of swing states. It absolutely could have happened.

          2. JesseAz   1 year ago

            But then add in the time story on the conspiracy to fortify the election where they flat out admit to the motivation....

    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      Nichols is the epitome of today’s center-right–an elitist hack and a priest for the cult of credentialism, whose entire worldview is based off of never questioning authority, at any time, ever. Anything an “expert” promoted by the mainstream media says is always correct, and people are stupid if they disagree with it.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

        Here’s a great example of just how fucking weak and subservient the center-right is:

        It’s not just hobbling the ability of citizens to make informed decisions, it’s breaking down the bonds of trust that democracies rest on. None of us are willing to listen to anybody else about anything. And that’s not just an attack on knowledge, that’s basically an attack on the division of labor, in a way.

        The center-right, being absolutely allergic to actually standing up to the left on anything outside of tax cuts and foreign wars, finds the current state of things to be terrifying because they really have no principles of their own that they’d be willing to risk their own necks over. Everything is done in the service of maintaining the status quo, even if it means allowing their kids to get their genitals cut off in order to satiate the left from calling them names.

        What Nichols and the center-right continually miss, because like the left they are extreme materialists, is that the “bonds of trust” are reliant on a common civic and cultural consensus, which the left has dedicated itself to obliterating the last 60-plus years. Not on the respective tax rate or what kind of shit you can buy at Walmart. Which is why they’ve given in to the left over and over and over again in that time frame, thinking that snarky words about “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” are a substitute for actual political involvement, and get so terrified at the thought of the right actually becoming a resistant political force instead of a jobber, calling such resistance "abnormal."

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

          the “bonds of trust” are reliant on a common civic and cultural consensus, which the left has dedicated itself to obliterating the last 60-plus years

          This right here is why I still come back to Reason and read the comments. There are commenters who actually understand the reality of the social contract. There can be no liberty when the rules are arbitrary. When a government can't protect your property or life from being taken, whether by actual looters or by popularly elected representatives in the name of equity, then the only recourse is to demand the dissolution of that government.

          1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

            It's not just "civic and cultural consensus" I find that a lot of the time I don't even have a consensus on base reality with a lot of people. Like, we look at the world and come to completely different conclusions about things.

            It makes it damned hard to even communicate, let alone cooperate.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

              The increasing inability to find consensus on reality is rooted in the debasement of the language. Orwell understood it and wrote an elegant essay about it in addition to demonstrating the inevitable conclusion if it continues in his fiction. It is straight out of the Marxist playbook.

              The attempt to change the definition of woman is probably the most obvious, but I would point to the successful change of the definition of vaccine as the most insidious. It happened while everyone was watching, without fanfare and in the name of science.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

            lol

            RRWP is advocating for forced cultural consensus

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

              Yes, I realize how much your side abhors high-trust societies where kids aren't convinced to cut their genitals off.

  28. JesseAz   1 year ago

    To prove her targeting of Trump is not political, James now going after company that posted his reduced bond.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/ny-ag-james-raises-concerns-over-firm-backing-trumps-175-million-bond

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

      And by "going after", Jesse here means "checking to make sure the bond is valid". Sheesh. Even the most mundane of due diligence is treated as "political targeting" by you people. That is one reason why your claims of "political persecution" ring so hollow. You treat EVERYTHING as "political persecution" if it affects Trump or your team in any way shape or form, even very legitimate actions like checking to see that the bond is legit.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

        What right does a prosecutor have to question the validity of a bond accepted by the court? This is the very definition of political persecution you mendacious twat.

      2. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        This is not normal procedure.

        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

          Perhaps windy city attorney will lend us his expertise.

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Are you sure he is a lawyer?

            / for consistency.

            1. Michael Ejercito   1 year ago

              The same windycityattorney who thought bribery was an official act?

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

          James has no standing. The surety is regulated by the Feds. The state has no right to the bond until and unless a) Trump loses his appeal, and b) Trump defaults on payment. She is already known to be preparing to seize his assets, which could potentially destroy their value. It is 100% political persecution.

      3. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

        "You treat EVERYTHING as “political persecution” if it affects Trump"

        Not a huge trump supporter here, but he has obviously been treated wildly unfairly since 2016, so yes, I think persecution is a fair word for what has been happening.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

          Even if Trump is being 'persecuted' in some ways, he is not being 'persecuted' in ALL ways. Maybe step back for a moment and try to discern the difference between how Trump is being treated fairly, and how Trump is being treated unfairly. It isn't ALL 'unfair'.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

            Why should anyone be persecuted in any way? Of the myriad ways they have tried to get trump; I'm still not sure which ones I'm supposed to see as legit.

            John Doe is facing allegations A thru Z.
            A thru Y turn out to have been fabrications, novel interpretations of the law, other people have gotten away with worse, etc.

            But maybe Z is legit!

            Don't you think the A thru Y charges probably hurt their case for Z and would tend to make people doubt it, maybe even start to take his side? Even people who weren't fans of John Doe to begin with?

            1. DesigNate   1 year ago

              No, it proves all those people were secretly racist xenophobic cultist. Duh!

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

              Why should anyone be persecuted in any way?

              Where did I even suggest that anyone *should* be persecuted? That is you stuffing words into my mouth. My point is, even if a person is being persecuted in *some* ways, someone who is rational and not just a knee-jerk defender of that person, would be willing to recognize when that person is NOT being 'persecuted' but is instead being legitimately and fairly treated.

              John Doe is facing allegations A thru Z.
              A thru Y turn out to have been fabrications, novel interpretations of the law, other people have gotten away with worse, etc.

              But maybe Z is legit!

              Umm, 'people have gotten away with worse' has never been a valid legal defense. You don't get to escape paying your speeding ticket just because there are other speeders out there who go faster and aren't caught.

              And it is interesting that you frame it in this way: A-Y is illegitimate persecution but Z is "maybe" legit. Instead, perhaps it is more like:
              A and B are perhaps dodgy.
              But C-Z are not.

              Don’t you think the A thru Y charges probably hurt their case for Z and would tend to make people doubt it, maybe even start to take his side? Even people who weren’t fans of John Doe to begin with?

              People who are emotionally connected to John Doe might, sure. People who are rational thinkers, no.

              1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

                It depends. Was I speeding with an unmasked bear in my trunk?

                I hear those fines are doubled in a construction zone.

      4. R Mac   1 year ago

        Look at Fascist Jeffy go!

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          The irony is jeff treats all state abuse against Trump as valid. As stated above, because he is a fucking fascist.

      5. damikesc   1 year ago

        The court accepted it.

        James is a partisan hack.

        Fuck her.

    2. Super Scary   1 year ago

      At this point, they should just try and make it illegal for Trump to hold anything larger than a fiver.

      1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

        They could just criminalize Being Donald Trump. There's no way he'd wiggle out of that one!

        1. Longtobefree   1 year ago

          He could (in a Florida court) change his legal name to 'none of the above', and be guaranteed a win.

        2. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

          He could "transition" and be issued a new birth certificate. That way they would be committing the atrocity of Deadnaming if they accused him of being Donald Trump.

          1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

            Ah, but if they just have a decent statute of limitations, he'd still be guilty of having been Donald Trump. And it's not like they haven't already fucked around with statute of limitations just to fuck with him.

  29. JesseAz   1 year ago

    In an effort to help Joe, Mexico has been actually clearing the border the last few weeks under a secret agreement.

    Todd Bensman
    @BensmanTodd
    This is what the mysterious Biden-López Obrador diplomatic deal looks like on the ground in Juarez. They’re doing a lot immigrant chasing and deporting to the Deep South. I broke the story of this arrangement back in January. Still happening but so are crossings. Confused yet?
    VIDEO

    https://twitter.com/BensmanTodd/status/1775519695262933021

    1. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

      They are flying them over the border so the media can't see it.

  30. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    2 choices:

    A. Keep Russia out of China's orbit.
    B. Blame Russia for 2016 because we can't handle admitting Hillary lost a winnable race because she is an arrogant fuckup and we fucked up by nominating the one Democrat with high enough negatives for Trump to beat.

    https://x.com/ElbridgeColby/status/1776236682171285663
    "“We’ve really seen the [People’s Republic of China] start to help to rebuild Russia’s defense industrial base, essentially backfilling the trade from European partners” that lapsed when Russia invaded, the official said."

    1. Michael Ejercito   1 year ago

      Amaxing how in four years, we went from "the 1980's called and they want their foreign policy back".

  31. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

    I will respond to the pro palistienian people by boycotting all of the useful goods and services that have come out of palistine

    1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      I mean, it's brave and stunning of you to give up your unguided rocket habit like that.

    2. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

      And where else are you going to find a purer strain of omnicidal marxists?

      1. R Mac   1 year ago

        Minneapolis?

        1. Nazi-Chipping Warlock   1 year ago

          Ooh. You might have me there.

  32. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

    So many things that happened not very long ago no longer feel real when you look at photos of them

    Reminds me of the scene where the villagers offered the virgin to King Kong.

  33. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    I've been informed on Facebook there is no inflation - right wing media lies about inflation are giving cover for greedy capitalists to raise prices for no reason other than their greed.

    1. Moonrocks   1 year ago

      Raising prices is a novel concept and nobody ever thought of it before. That's the only explanation for why prices are rising now in a way that they've never risen since the early 80s.

  34. Vernon Depner   1 year ago

    Activists have added warnings that these products are "contaminated with apartheid & Zionism."

    That could backfire and increase sales.

  35. Sevo   1 year ago

    "...X/Twitter..."

    STOP! CUT IT OUT! QUIT IT! WE GOT IT MONTHS AGO!

    1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      It's starting to give me a Pavlovian cringe response. I hear "X, formerly known as Twitter" so many times per day now

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        I always enjoy when they quote a post then copy paste the same quote.

        1. Sevo   1 year ago

          Staff meeting, host passes out an outline of the meeting and then READS IT TO THE AUDIENCE, as if the audience is incapable of reading.
          STOP!

    2. Ajsloss   1 year ago

      We don't have that problem over at Mastodon... (do we? Is Mastodon still a thing? ENB? anyone?)

      1. R Mac   1 year ago

        You should ask in the comments of next week’s hooker article.

  36. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

    Disappointing that this bill passed.

    https://spectrumlocalnews.com/me/maine/politics/2024/04/03/maine-bill-to-crack-down-on-paramilitary-training-passes-house-by-narrow-margin

    Several Republicans spoke against the bill Wednesday, saying they believe it runs afoul of the First and Second amendments to the Constitution.

    “We don’t have to like what said Nazis did,” said Rep. Laurel Libby (R-Auburn). “We don’t have to like what they stand for. We don’t have to agree with their positions. We don’t have to think well of them. But you know what we do have to do? We have to protect their First Amendment right to free speech and association.”

    She is exactly right here.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      If they would just voluntarily do the right thing, the government wouldn’t have to force them.

    2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

      The bill prohibits someone from “intentionally or knowingly” teaching someone about firearms or bombs if the training is intended to be used to commit “civil disorder.”

      Jeffy speaks out against a bill that so obviously violates any and every reading of the both the first and second amendment so as to offend all sensibility?

      How magnanimous of you, you lefty piece of shit. Make sure you bookmark this so you can prove that you are a true Libertarian when I call you out as a full on Marxist like I did just yesterday.

      https://reason.com/2024/04/04/licenses-and-dead-bodies/?comments=true#comment-10509687

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

        You wouldn't know what a Marxist was if one bit you in the ass.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

          Are you offering? I am not really interested, but at least I could definitively say that I knew one that bit me in the ass. I only have some suspicions about an ex-girlfriend.

    3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

      Why the fuck did you even quote the part about Nazis except to virtue signal that you are accepting of foul viewpoints? This bill is exactly the kind of legislation the British were passing that brought on the American Revolution. It violates every principle espoused in the Declaration if Independence.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

        It was a Republican who said it. And since you all seem to think that I just mindlessly hate Republicans, here is a case where a Republican is saying and doing things that are IMO correct and praiseworthy.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   1 year ago

          You just can't grasp the thread. Must be those fat fingers.

          And so you double down on the virtue signal.

    4. sarcasmic   1 year ago

      It also prohibits gathering with others to be trained in techniques to cause civil disorder, which is defined as “any public disturbance involving an act of violence by a group … that causes an immediate danger of injury to another person or damage to the property of another person.”

      Does this mean they’ll have to close the police academy?

      Is this the end of paintball?

      No more Civil War reenactments?

  37. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

    Today's Roundup paints another bleak picture of humans and society. Do you think Liz has joined the Giant Meteor party?

  38. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

    This is a misconception.

    Forcing people to actually bear the true cost of subway fare, instead of subsidizing it, would be another (though that would fly in the face of the original vision of the subway-builders, that it be a democratizing tool, allowing central parts of the city to remain in reach for the lower classes who may live in outer boroughs).

    Romance of the Rails has a section on light rail which says, my possibly stale paraphrasing, that light rail, including the subways, cost roughly 10% of a semi-skilled worker's daily pay. They walked to work, several miles each way. The light rail users were middle class clerks who could afford the fare.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      Yeah, light rail’s always been a transportation service to ensure the upper middle class didn’t actually have to live in the urban cores. The initial Tramway development in Denver, for example, was set up to allow the swells to move out of the post-Silver Era Capitol Hill developments to neighborhoods in Park Hill and Washington Park, facilitated largely by Robert Speer, who had buddies in the real estate business who benefitted from their development.

      Back when all the current light rail projects were being built, they really fucked up by putting it along I-225 from Montbello, instead of just making Colfax a public transportation-exclusive corridor reserved for buses and light rail. Driving on that road has been a pain in the ass for a long time, and very few people that live along that area use cars, anyway, because it’s easier to just catch the 15 bus to wherever you’re looking to go.

  39. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    https://x.com/zakisolja/status/1776216113577136617

    Watch Biden pinch the nipple of 8-year-old Maria Piacesi. Watch this innocent kid's reaction in the video. Then read what she said about it.

    The left will call this a live but the video does not lie.

    It’s weird to see these same people call Trump all sorts of names, but they are the most perverted.

    1. mad.casual   1 year ago

      Watch Biden pinch the nipple of 8-year-old Maria Piacesi.

      Do I have to? Or can I just rely on the mountain of documented, "I can neither confirm nor deny..."-affirmed evidence of stripper fucking, sister fucking, hooker fucking, other family member fucking that goes on throughout the family and take your word for it?

  40. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

    In other news, Biden Claus is trying to forgive the student loan deadbeats again. Is it an election year or something?

  41. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

    "we're not obligated to tolerate vast amounts of public disorder and threat every time we want to use the city services"

    Consider THIS your friendly reminder that libertarians have NO sympathy for New Yorkers. No one is forcing you to live in the highest population density urban cluster in America or "nonconsensually" contribute to "public services." And, for the record, NONE of the "solutions" you mentioned or hinted at would actually "solve" any of problems you kind of glossed over. Even in the wide-open western prairies it was damned difficult to resolve issues of water rights for upstream and downstream farmers; and grazing rights between the sheep farmers and cattlemen. Don't even think about trying to settle externalities in the dying dinosaur of New York City!

  42. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

    RE "migrants" and jobs.

    Isn't the cool new thing working from home?

  43. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    https://x.com/RealEJAntoni/status/1776237956434383076

    Americans have been completely left behind in this economy: foreign-born employment is not only several million above its pre-pandemic level but is even above its pre-pandemic trend, while native-born Americans have made no progress in 4 years - in fact, they've gone backwards:

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Build back better.

  44. Ra's al Gore   1 year ago

    https://x.com/amuse/status/1776226639078195250

    LAWFARE: Trump’s co-defendant Harrison Floyd’s lawyer was illegally recorded by Big Fani Willis, but perhaps more troubling is the fact she shared the illegal recording with reporters in an effort to try her case in the court of public opinion. She should be disqualified.

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Surprised Jeff hasn't comment on how this is normal procedure.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        It's always (D)ifferent when they run the kangaroo court.

  45. mad.casual   1 year ago

    "This is mad invention at its finest—to benefit all humanity if you win, and if you fail, to pay all the price yourself."

    No it's not, this is retarded. When Barry Marshall hypothesized about h. pylori causing ulcers, drank a culture of it, proved is previously unknown hypothesis correct, and then killed the h. pylori with antibiotics thereby curing himself; *that* was mad invention/science.

    What Brian Johnson is doing is like reading about what Barry Marshall doing it, drinking a culture of h. pylori, killing it with antibiotics, and then declaring an epic personal victory over h. pylori/ulcers.

    Little-to-none of what Johnson is doing is novel and most of it is just rather literally or non-satirically turning things up to 11 and pretending its louder even if it's been proven that can hear a difference once the volume gets above 3. It's hokum and snake oil that's little different from what Dr. Oz, Tom Brady, Gwyneth Paltrow, or a half-dozen other 'celebrities' uses/espouses.

    The same sort of media-science-celebrity-feedback telephone game B.S. that had people rejecting vaccines, even ones that didn't contain thimerosal, because of autism and drinking 12, 12 oz. glasses of water for their health because some researcher somewhere noted that the average person consumed 64 oz. of water in their diet from all sources.

  46. TJJ2000   1 year ago

    A bill for $80 billion that did absolutely nothing but got your papers ruffled through in an attempt to STEAL even more through an audit.

    Yep; Sounds like the kind of ‘deal’ one makes with criminals. If ‘government’ didn’t have that magical heaven-sent halo over it’s name more people could accept if for what it has actually become.

  47. American Mongrel   1 year ago

    Wow. Full court press on the right wing media matters act blue today. Holy shit. I shoulda just stayed on zerohedge.

  48. XM   1 year ago

    Is the IRS "targeting" low income earners, or are there simply more tax cheaters among that group? Think about the percentages. You think 90% of the population cheats on taxes LESS than the 10% of the population?

    If a small business pays cash to their workers, they're cheating on their taxes. How many such businesses exist? How many migrants get paid in cash?

    If the IRS is going after everyone for cheating, then they're being consistent. The left thought "It's ok for the IRS to go after the very rich because we don't like them." That's not how it should work.

    1. TJJ2000   1 year ago

      Since D.C. isn't really a US government anymore but a [Na]tional So[zi]alist empire are citizens who won't pay the Nazi-Empire really cheating or just avoiding getting robbed by Nazi-Gangsters?

      The importance of having a static definition of principles of a nation is far more important than most want to give it credit for.

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