Promise-Breaking IRS
Plus: Ethan Mollick on AI, Nancy Pelosi's kente cloth, hurricanes may destroy us all, and more...

Liar, liar: Back in August 2022, when some of us were fresh-faced and naive, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assured us that their $80 billion infusion of cash (over the course of a decade, so they could hire some 87,000 new workers, including but not limited to men with guns) would actually be a means of targeting millionaire and billionaire scofflaws, not ordinary middle-class earners.
At the time, I voiced skepticism: Correspondence audits and other audits on low- and middle-income earners are simply the easiest to conduct. The IRS has historically spent an awful lot of time targeting these groups, not monied tax dodgers who can hire teams of accountants, so why would this time be different?
Vindicated: "The Internal Revenue Service got an audit of its own in time for Tax Day, and two irregularities jump out," reports The Wall Street Journal, having labored through the latest Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) reports. "President Biden's plan to hire a new army of tax collectors is falling flat, and the agents already at work are targeting the middle class."
"As of last summer, 63% of new audits targeted taxpayers with income of less than $200,000," reports the Journal. "Only a small overall share reached the very highest earners, while 80% of audits covered filers earning less than $1 million."
Compare these real-world outcomes with the assurances of the IRS, given less than two years ago.
Empty assurances: "These resources are absolutely not about increasing audit scrutiny on small businesses or middle-income Americans. As we've been planning, our investment of these enforcement resources is designed around the Department of the Treasury's directive that audit rates will not rise relative to recent years for households making under $400,000," wrote IRS commissioner Charles Rettig in an August 2022 letter to concerned senators.
Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen was a bit sassier. "Contrary to the misinformation from opponents of this legislation, small business or households earning $400,000 per year or less will not see an increase in the chances that they are audited," she wrote in a letter to Rettig.
It's almost like they didn't tell us the truth the first time around. But that's not even the most embarrassing thing in the report: The IRS had set a goal of hiring 3,700 new agents in the first year of boosted funding. Instead, in the first six months, they'd hired 34.
Awkwardly, "revenue agent staffing had actually decreased by 8%, or more than 650 employees, between the end of fiscal 2019 and March 2023," per a previous watchdog report. And it's not just hiring that's in trouble: The agency has completed just 33 percent of its fiscal year 2023 milestones outlined in its strategic operating plan, which is…tough given that the year is over.
Scenes from New York: Over on X/Twitter, we're apparently doing "is it OK to smoke fentanyl inside subway cars?" That'll be a hard no from me, chief.
Consider this your cheerful Friday reminder that, just because we may be libertarians and/or city dwellers, we're not obligated to tolerate vast amounts of public disorder and threat every time we want to use the city services our tax dollars have (nonconsensually) been funneled toward. Privatization would be one way of solving this. Forcing people to actually bear the true cost of subway fare, instead of subsidizing it, would be another (though that would fly in the face of the original vision of the subway builders, that it be a democratizing tool, allowing central parts of the city to remain in reach for the lower classes who may live in outer boroughs). But the most obvious option would be to simply enforce existing laws against fare beating and subway-system drug use.
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California Gov. Gavin Newsom exaggerates his baseball prowess.
Perfect successor to the White House.
The ideal Democrat.
Gavin Newsom’s restaurant offering job at $ 16 per hour despite new state law of $ 20 per hour for fast food workers
His restaurant is (D)ifferent.
His restaurant is full service. The $20 minimum wage was only for fast food places.
Must be nice to able to raise the cost of your competition.
The $20 minimum wage was only for fast food places.
Except Panera, since it's biggest franchisee in CA is friends with Gavin.
Again, that’s (D)ifferent.
And that rates as 3 bananas (out of 5) on the new Banana Republic scale.
That's your defense? You are saying that full-service shouldn't be paid 20 dollars an hour? Why do you hate them?
A lot of people are finding out the min wage is zero at these fast food places. One owner just closed up shop and just told his workers to come get their paychecks.
He throws a mean greaseball.
If you are a listener with feedback...
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A monthly report on US employment is set to reveal a downshift in hiring in March amid muted wage growth...
I think I'll wait for the inevitable revision or spin, thanks.
Another prediction that was wrong.
Its getting kind of old at this point, but how many of these blatantly obvious lies have the commentariat gotten 100% correct right 5 minutes after the announcement?
About as many as the Bee.
They already are celebrating the fake job numbers. They came in over projection for the 18th month in a row. Followed by the 18th month revision downward of last months numbers. Continuing to show a 1M gap between household and industry job claims. The feds are just cooking books and it is obvious to everyone.
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/jobless-claims-spot-odd-government-supplied-one-out
In the real world labor market, 2024 has been a shitshow of layoffs...
1. Everybuddy: 100% of workforce
2. Wisense: 100% of workforce
3. CodeSee: 100% of workforce
4. Twig: 100% of workforce
5. Twitch: 35% of workforce
6. Roomba: 31% of workforce
7. Bumble: 30% of workforce
8. Farfetch: 25% of workforce
9. Away: 25% of workforce
10. Hasbro: 20% of workforce
11. LA Times: 20% of workforce
12. Wint Wealth: 20% of workforce
13. Finder: 17% of workforce
14. Spotify: 17% of workforce
15. Buzzfeed: 16% of workforce
16. Levi's: 15% of workforce
17. Xerox: 15% of workforce
18. Qualtrics: 14% of workforce
19. Wayfair: 13% of workforce
20. Duolingo: 10% of workforce
21. Rivian: 10% of workforce
22. Washington Post: 10% of workforce
23. Snap: 10% of workforce
24. eBay: 9% of workforce
25. Sony Interactive: 8% of workforce
26. Expedia: 8% of workforce
27. Business Insider: 8% of workforce
28. Instacart: 7% of workforce
29. Paypal: 7% of workforce
30. Okta: 7% of workforce
31. Charles Schwab: 6% of workforce
32. Docusign: 6% of workforce
33. Riskified: 6% of workforce
34. EA: 5% of workforce
35. Motional: 5% of workforce
36. Mozilla: 5% of workforce
37. Vacasa: 5% of workforce
38. CISCO: 5% of workforce
39. UPS: 2% of workforce
40. Nike: 2% of workforce
41. Blackrock: 3% of workforce
42. Paramount: 3% of workforce
43. Citigroup: 20,000 employees
44. ThyssenKrupp: 5,000 employees
45. Best Buy: 3,500 employees
46. Barry Callebaut: 2,500 employees
47. Outback Steakhouse: 1,000
48. Northrop Grumman: 1,000 employees
49. Pixar: 1,300 employees
50. Perrigo: 500 employees
Don't forget the upcoming Ford Lightning forced retirement of a third, and transfer of a second third to another line. I guess those newfangled electric vehicles aren't as popular as predicted.
If people would voluntarily choose to buy EV, Joe wouldn't be forced to make car companies put out so many EVs. - Jeff.
In good news (for me, at least) my clearance finally came back yesterday. I get to keep my job. It feels like a stay of execution. 😀
Congrats! That feeling of not knowing if the axe will fall really sucks.
Especially when it's on an essentially daily basis.
"Well, maybe today's the day someone shows up to tell me I got denied, and to escort me to my car."
True that:
"As a past commenter you have been granted commenting privileges on a temporary basis."
Well played sir. Well played.
Wait, if we get booted off Reason, we get a car?
no - we get Nazi-Chipping Warlock's car
Congrats!
the EV bubble burst HARD. Ford Lightning's in my area CPO, platinum package, selling for almost 50% off what they were a year ago.
Damn the people that bought into that craze got ripped off. Guys at work were in line to pay 20k over MSRP for Lightnings, and a few of them did.
Guys who don't work their trucks. Anyone who hauls, tows, or pushes with a truck, know EV's are complete shit.
there is a good use for a contractor that does jobs on site for a Lightning.
If you commute in town, dont have long stretches to drive, can charge it fully at night, you have a mobile generator that can pull up and run your saws etc. Definitely could be useful, but just for the right person.
Fact is still that gas vehicles and the infrastructure associated with them is just too convenient for the masses compared to EV
The smart contractor will buy them at a discount. I would buy one if they were significantly cheaper then an ICE counterpart.
It's tempting to pick one up, but it would likely bite me in the ass when there are no parts or support in 3-5 years. You can nab a 4WD fairly plain one for less than gas these days. It would be an errand rig for work, but certainly not a functional daily driver for me.
I literally thought the same. Some of them are SO cheap I was like, man, wouldn't hurt to have the option to charge off my house in a pinch.
But infrastructure and manufacturing just arent there right now. Which is why everyone is selling them. Living with these things day to day only works for some people.
Its the result of the govt shoe-horning something into the market that the market really didnt "want" yet
I wonder how much it would cost to rip the batteries and shit out of one of those and put in a real engine. Might actually be worth buying it at half off.
-jcr
I'll go out on a limb and guess that public employment continues to rise.
Wait! Are the numbers fake or are the jobs fake?
Yes.
All the employment gains are illegals, not citizens.
Get rid of the democrats while we still have a country.
600k part time jobs gained. 300k full time jobs lost. = 300k new jobs.
The only job gains during the last three years have been for illegals. Citizens have lost jobs. This is another reason Biden is cramming as many illegals into the US as possible.
The big game developers fire (lay off) 5% of their work force almost every year, so a few in the list aren't much above trend.
And here it is.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/04/05/jobs-march-unemployment-rate/
I won't pay to view, but I will enjoy the irony.
22. Washington Post: 10% of workforce
Hey, irony is white privilege.
This makes me sad. Should be 100%
Govt hires thousands, the media says thousands were hired along with pictures of construction workers.
Have to put those "refugees" to work.
Harrumph. Don't you mean Newcomers sir?
Harrumph harrumph. Newcomers implies these peoples are new to the the Americas, when many of their ancestors crossed the Bering Straight, you white supremacists bigot. The correct term is Mud People to signify the dirt they accumulated under their feet as they made their long journey.
I can not argue with your persuasive historical analysis. Mud People it is!
I will see your Mud People and raise you a Neanderthal (my personal pronoun), you genocidal Homo sapiens. Where's my reparations?
Oh Joe's still working on how to deal with you, Mask Mandate deniers.
The federal government in 2023 overestimated the number of jobs in the U.S. economy by an average of 105,000 per month in initial reports, equating to a cumulative monthly difference of 1.3 million, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).
The cumulative number of jobs reported each month was 1,255,000 less than previously thought, with new seasonal and census data affecting total employment estimates, according to data from the BLS calculated by the Daily Caller News Foundation. The huge downward revisions are in spite of a 115,000 upward revision in December, the only month that saw an upward revision to the employment level in 2023.
The biggest revision was for March, which was revised down by a total of 266,000 jobs, followed by January at 234,000 and April at 205,000, according to the BLS. The lowest downward revision was in November, with only 2,000, followed by 11,000 in October.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/02/06/one-million-jobs-reported-2023-didnt-exist/
BLS Jobs Numbers, comparing initial releases (to much fanfare often) to revised number released later (without notice):
Jan-23 -45,000
Feb-23 -63,000
Mar-23 -19,000
Apr-23 -36,000
May-23 -58,000
Jun-23 -104,000
Jul-20 +49,000
Aug-23 -22,000
Sep-23 -74,000
Oct-23 -45,000
Nov-23 -17,000
Dec-23 +74,000
Jan-24 -124,000
Since the initial numbers are usually around 200k, these errors are often 20% or so, and in 11 of 13 months, the error is always negative.
If you dig into the numbers, the prediction would have been right if it wasn't for government creating most of the job for unnecessary roles.
Take the government out and job creation would be horrible
Get ready for a brutal hurricane season this year.
Never heard that before.
Mann, 1990: ‘By 2010, Riverside Drive will be under water!!!!!!’.
Ehrlich, 1970: "By 1990, we will all starve to death!!!"
Ron Bailey 2021: More Testing!
“2006: Expect Another Big Hurricane Year Says NOAA”—headline, MongaBay .com, May 22, 2006
“NOAA Predicts Above Normal 2007 Atlantic Hurricane Season”—headline, National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration press release, May 23, 2007
“NOAA Increases Expectancy for Above-Normal 2008 Atlantic Hurricane Season”—headline, gCaptain .com, Aug. 7, 2008
“Forecasters: 2009 to Bring ‘Above Average’ Hurricane Season”—headline, CNN, Dec. 10, 2008
“NOAA: 2010 Hurricane Season May Set Records”—headline, Herald-Tribune (Sarasota, Fla.), May 28, 2010
“NOAA Predicts Increased Storm Activity in 2011 Hurricane Season”—headline, BDO Consulting press release, Aug. 18, 2011
“2012 Hurricane Forecast Update: More Storms Expected”—headline, LiveScience, Aug. 9, 2012
“NOAA Predicts Active 2013 Atlantic Hurricane Season”—headline, NOAApress release, May 23, 2013
“A Space-Based View of 2015’s ‘Hyperactive’ Hurricane Season”—headline, CityLab .com, June 19, 2015
“The 2016 Atlantic Hurricane Season Might Be the Strongest in Years”—headline, CBSNews, Aug. 11, 2016
Kicker
“NOAA: U.S. Completes Record 11 Straight Years Without Major Hurricane Strike”—headline, CNSNews, Oct. 24, 2016
I can't believe that the government lied to us about who their highwaymen would target. I'm so disappointed.
Back in 2022, an IRS training video made the rounds, showing agents taking down a landscaper who was driving a truck that was not properly accounted for. I wrote this then...
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Of course it's a training scenario, that's entirely the point.
There's a saying (many variants) "The way you practice is the way you will play."
We've been told by Pres. Biden that the 87,000 new IRS agents will be sent after billionaires not paying their "fair share" (still no one has ever provided a definition for "fair share" that would apply to everyone in concrete terms--the usual mishmash received boils down to "I'd like to pay less, but other people should pay more".)
But the agents in the field are being trained to go after small businessmen who improperly deducted a work vehicle? Or, more specifically, as the video explains "Could not provide a source for the money used to purchase the vehicle". If that's what they're being trained for, that's what they are expected to be doing. See, they weren't being trained to approach a billionaire's megayacht and deal with the private security people and lawyers.
It's a fantasy to think that the new agents will be limited to targeting billionaires, or even millionaires. It's the same reason why all transactions (totaling) over $600 must be tracked and reported. People selling beanie babies on ebay will be reported to the IRS, and can expect to be audited. Those people are probably not millioniares or billionaires. Also, the $600 rules came with increased emphasis on unreported tip earnings. So the IRS will be going after small employers who fail to "Keep [and report] a daily tip record using Form 4070A, Employee’s Daily Record of Tips" and/or fail to "Report all tips on an individual income tax return, Form 4137, Social Security and Medicare Tax on Unreported Tip Income". Wait staff earning cash tips cheat on their taxes to the tune of about $20-30B each year, and the IRS has been unhappy with their ability to go after these people due to lack of resources. 87,000 new agents will certainly give them some new resources.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for going after tax cheats big or small. The EITC program is one glaring example of an area where enforcment should be better. Where the government *knows* that about 25% of all EITC payments are made incorrectly, either through "honest" errors or through outright fraud cost about $20B each year. And that's down markedly from about 1/3 of all such claims being wrongfully paid after the IRS began requiring an SSN for each child claimed (a rule that was branded "racist" when it was originally put in place). And if a single mom who works a double shift at some diner doesn't think to report her cash tips to the IRS, well, she should know better and will deserve it when the armed agents kick in her door.
I also am pretty sure that millionaires and billionaires have lawyers and tax specialists employed to make sure that they employ every legal strategy available in order to reduce their tax bills to the minimum required by law (or as close to it as they can come), and that most of the time, auditing them just enriches the lawyers. But in those cases, another saying comes to bear "the process is the punishment", because I also believe that agents will 100% go after people that they know haven't done anything wrong.
Myself, I've been audited twice.
The first time was because wife had started with a new company that mistakenly withheld Colorado (where the corporate HQ was) instead of South Carolina state taxes, which went unnoticed for about 3 months. We told them about the mistake, and they corrected it. But come tax time, the employer compounded the error by reporting her income for those 3 months twice. From the IRS point-of-view, we improperly excluded some $45K from our taxes (or about $10K in taxes not paid) Fortunately, we had support from the employer in claiming responsibility for the error, had all the records supporting the error and showing how the math exactly accounted for every cent the IRS was after, and were ultimately able to demonstrate to the IRS's satisfaction that *we* had done nothing wrong, that we had not in fact been paid twice, and owed nothing additional. But getting that agreement from the IRS took about 6 months of back and forth with auditors, and a stack of paper a full 1 inch high.
A year after that, we got a 2nd audit notice. This one claimed that we had not paid FICA taxes and income tax surcharges on some $45K. That's right. We got audited twice for the same issue. This one was a bit easier. I sent the IRS a copy of the whole previous audit (cost like $8 to mail certified as it was a very large envelope) and their own notice of compliance, along with pointing out that the unpaid FICA taxes and surcharges were exactly the FICA amount to be paid on the twice-reported monies. Eventually they agreed.
So when they say "the process is the punishment", I get where they're coming from. At the time, though, I had no idea that there might be armed IRS agents twitching to kick in my door.
Israel's military was on high alert Thursday...
IT HASN'T BEEN ALREADY???
What, they increased their amphetamine dosage?
I hope to see them kill more Hamas in the near future
“Get ready for a brutal hurricane season this year.”
How will this compare to the previously forecasted “worst year of superstorms ever!” (22 I think?) in which we had about average tropical storms with no major hurricane issues?
Wonder if the normies will ever wake up when the world isnt destroyed for the 1000th time
From the article:
"The United States was lucky in 2023."
"Last year was unusual. Though only one hurricane, Idalia, made landfall in the United States, 20 storms formed, a number far above average and the fourth most since record keeping began."
Weird, 2023 was the year of doom and hottest temps ever, and not a single super storm there either.
Wonder if the normies will ever wake up when the world isnt destroyed for the 1000th time
I mean, literally the same motherfucker (Paul Erlich) has been making wrong predictions about when the world would end for the last fifty years and the insanity just keeps getting worse. So I'm going to say that signs point to "No". Dude predicted that the world was already going to have ended before I was born. And yet, here we are.
Paul Erlich is one of the main reasons I believe that academia is compromised beyond salvaging. The man still holds an emeritus position at Stanford after being wrong about every prediction for 56 years now. He is a walking, talking appeal to expertise.
Or maybe "academia" has simply returned to its religious roots. Think seminary, priests, and sharing doctrine with the faithful.
They offer no invitation or salvation this time.
That's why governments, WEF and Bill Gates are warring with the farmers. They want to make Erlich's predictions come true.
The End Of The World has had worshipers for thousands of years.
Yeah, but I thought apocalyptic millennialist cults were supposed to die out after the millennium comes and goes and the sun keeps rising.
No, they just make excuses and regroup.
We could help them experience demise.
There will be no universal heat death.
I'm sure that *EVENTUALLY* they'll get one right...2016 was the "strongest in years" but was still pretty much meh, except for Matthew's impact on Haiti.
Actual activity in 2016: 15 named storms, 7 hurricanes, 4 CAT3+
Average (1981–2010[1]) 12.1, 6.4, 2.7
Record high activity 28, 15, 7
I'm going to search for, and purchase as many contaminated Israeli goods I can find. I WANT some of those decals.
I think it would be fun to stick them to cars in neighborhoods with the BLM/Ukraine flags and watch other rabid lefties break their windows and slash their tires due to their normal "tolerance"
Speaking of BLM, a member of their subset, Albino Lives Matter, got caught with his pasty white hand in the grift jar.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13270231/amp/TV-star-turned-Black-Lives-Matter-activist-claims-hes-worlds-sexiest-albino-stands-trial-conning-500-000-donors-buy-suits-guns-house-lawyer-claims-set-battered-womens-shelter.html
Gefilte Fish: "Now with 3,000% more genocide!"*
*as reported by the Hamas Health Ministry
And parroted by our resident neo nazi.
Billionaire club in bid to curb overpopulation (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6350303.ece)
America's richest people meet to discuss ways of tackling a 'disastrous' environmental, social and industrial threat
May 24, 2009
SOME of America’s leading billionaires have met secretly to consider how their wealth could be used to slow the growth of the world’s population and speed up improvements in health and education.
The philanthropists who attended a summit convened on the initiative of Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder, discussed joining forces to overcome political and religious obstacles to change.
Described as the Good Club by one insider it included David Rockefeller Jr, the patriarch of America’s wealthiest dynasty, Warren Buffett and George Soros, the financiers, Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, and the media moguls Ted Turner and Oprah Winfrey.
These members, along with Gates, have given away more than £45 billion since 1996 to causes ranging from health programmes in developing countries to ghetto schools nearer to home.
They gathered at the home of Sir Paul Nurse, a British Nobel prize biochemist and president of the private Rockefeller University, in Manhattan on May 5. The informal afternoon session was so discreet that some of the billionaires’ aides were told they were at “security briefings”.
Stacy Palmer, editor of the Chronicle of Philanthropy, said the summit was unprecedented. “We only learnt about it afterwards, by accident. Normally these people are happy to talk good causes, but this is different – maybe because they don’t want to be seen as a global cabal,” he said.
Some details were emerging this weekend, however. The billionaires were each given 15 minutes to present their favourite cause. Over dinner they discussed how they might settle on an “umbrella cause” that could harness their interests.
The issues debated included reforming the supervision of overseas aid spending to setting up rural schools and water systems in developing countries. Taking their cue from Gates they agreed that overpopulation was a priority.
This could result in a challenge to some Third World politicians who believe contraception and female education weaken traditional values.
Gates, 53, who is giving away most of his fortune, argued that healthier families, freed from malaria and extreme poverty, would change their habits and have fewer children within half a generation.
At a conference in Long Beach, California, last February, he had made similar points. “Official projections say the world’s population will peak at 9.3 billion [up from 6.6 billion today] but with charitable initiatives, such as better reproductive healthcare, we think we can cap that at 8.3 billion,” Gates said then.
Patricia Stonesifer, former chief executive of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which gives more than £2 billion a year to good causes, attended the Rockefeller summit. She said the billionaires met to “discuss how to increase giving” and they intended to “continue the dialogue” over the next few months.
Another guest said there was “nothing as crude as a vote” but a consensus emerged that they would back a strategy in which population growth would be tackled as a potentially disastrous environmental, social and industrial threat.
“This is something so nightmarish that everyone in this group agreed it needs big-brain answers,” said the guest. “They need to be independent of government agencies, which are unable to head off the disaster we all see looming.”
Why all the secrecy? “They wanted to speak rich to rich without worrying anything they said would end up in the newspapers, painting them as an alternative world government,” he said.
They wanted to speak rich to rich without worrying anything they said would end up in the newspapers, painting them as an alternative world government,” he said.
Remember, there are no secret societies.
Ah, to have been there with a high speed wood chipper...
"an alternative world government"
An "alternative"? It's been confirmed, there is a world government. I knew it!
But only for this alternative world.
Described as the Good Club by one insider it included David Rockefeller Jr, the patriarch of America’s wealthiest dynasty, Warren Buffett and George Soros, the financiers, Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, and the media moguls Ted Turner and Oprah Winfrey.
World government run by exclusive rich Americans.
Why is their solution always kill and keep the poor down.
Hey, I got an idea! Tell the wokesters the masses are threatening the Earth with climate change and are all white supremacists who believe there are only 2 genders, thus committing Trans Genocide. That way, they will feel virtuous when they help us crush the working and middle classes.
If it wasn’t for 2A they probably would have already killed many of us.
"SOME of America’s leading billionaires have met secretly to consider how their wealth could be used to slow the growth of the world’s population"
They aren't idiots. They know that almost every country in the world is seeing an unprecedented collapse in birthrates. That they are well below replacement levels.
"Slow the growth" is a euphemism for reducing the population. Just like the kings of old they want planetwide Royal forests again, with a minimal number of serfs to sustain their regal lifestyles.
Worked out great in China. Oh wait...
Third World politicians who believe contraception and female education weaken traditional values.
They're right, of course, but some "traditional values" are wrong and need to be weakened. Maybe these "elites" can have a conference about why Africans are so stubbornly backward.
"Africans are so stubbornly backward."
Africans aren't stubbornly backward. A Kalahari bushman, a Libyan farmer and a Nigerian lawyer have nothing in common.
Except their view on the place of a woman, statistically speaking.
ML did not say, "A Kalahari biologist, a Libyan biologist and a Nigerian biologist have nothing in common."
How can you price something you cannot define?
A Kalahari bushman, a Libyan farmer and a Nigerian lawyer have nothing in common.
Yes, but now I am intrigued and want to know what might happen if they walk into a bar together.
They probably won't hang out with the priest and the rabbi.
If it is like Trevor Noah's stand up, nothing funny.
"what might happen if they walk into a bar together."
A few busted noses?
That was my first thought as well.
Another guest said there was “nothing as crude as a vote” but a consensus emerged that they would back a strategy in which population growth would be tackled as a potentially disastrous environmental, social and industrial threat.
This is nothing new. The Club of Rome was created by the same sorts of people for the same reasons, and they ended up with CIA support and became integrated into the WEF.
If their clever plans do come to fruition though and billions die, they need to be treated in the same manner as the architects of the holocaust.
With modern technology we really only need half a billion regular people to keep The Elite in their lifestyle of choice.
“nothing as crude as a vote”
Guess they're not familiar with mail in voting.
When did their plan change? In the last few months, there have been several articles from sources friendly to them fretting over dwindling populations and birth rates. Did they finally realize that they have nothing without us pissants?
ghetto schools nearer to home
?
Are they building new ghetto schools or planning to turn nearer schools into ghetto schools?
Over dinner they discussed how they might settle on an “umbrella cause” that could harness their interests.
Oh, the irony of dining while planning mass starvation for the rest of us.
https://x.com/EdKrassen/status/1775901381422883043
There are plenty of fathers who have been in the same shower as their young daughters. Virtually all Pediatricians and child psychologists support it up until a certain age.
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1775736375142142041
The DOJ is demanding prison time for the person who discovered Ashley Biden’s diary.
Here’s a reminder of what she wrote.
Joe Biden showered with his daughter.
DOJ demands prison time for Ashley Biden diary thief
https://nypost.com/2024/04/03/us-news/doj-demands-prison-time-for-ashley-biden-diary-thief/
...After stealing Ashley Biden’s property, Harris recruited co-defendant Robert Kurlander to help sell it, the government said, knowing that it belonged to “an immediate family member of a then-former government official who was a candidate for national political office.”
Welp, this makes it harder for our Democrats here to deny the shower stories.
Don’t ever underestimate leftists ability to hold two conflicting views if they’re told to.
They are already doing it. Saying things like the pages are faked, there is no chain of custody (like Hunter's laptop), Ashley was a little girl, not a prepubescent/teen (See the Krassenstein post above), the whole story is fake and there is no diary etc.
All of the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
Hilary, is that you?
The DoJ prosecution destroys all of those arguments.
But the guy who steals your car shouldn’t do any time.
Are you a candidate for national political office? Didn’t think so!
The guy who steals your house should get to keep living in it and sue your for lack of compliance with landlord laws.
Schrodingers diary. Real for criminal use. Imaginary for political use.
Like Joe himself, Sharp as a tack and mentally unfit to face charges at the same time.
That's some 3D checkers (or chutes and ladders) right there.
Hunter prefers Nose Candyland.
Does he have a GoFundMe?
The irony is that prosecuting these people undeniably authenticates the diary as Ashley Biden’s. Every time some democrat retard tries claim it’s a fake, I just rub their nose in the DoJ’s prosecution.
"There are plenty of fathers who have been in the same shower as their young daughters."
He's trying to play it off as parents taking baths with young children who can't bathe themselves properly yet.
Biden's daughter was a teenager when Biden would join her.
She called it "inappropriate" in her own words.
She said she would avoid taking showers when her dad was home because he would always try to join her.
She said his actions with her were why she became a sex addict.
Meanwhile, Jeff and White Mike would tell us that Trump praising his kids looks to reporters secretly meant that he wanted to rape them. But this stuff? Not a peep.
Isn't Hunter a sex addict as well? Maybe his diary is more damning than his laptop.
It might provide even more evidence he was molesting his then 13 year old niece. Most of the other Bidens believed he was.
'Robert Peters' wasn't known as 'Pedo Pete' by his children for no reason.
Democrats are now just fucking with people, both us hated deplorables*, and their own tribal members who have to praise outright evil and immoral leaders.
*A deplorable is anyone who questions DNC doctrine.
Almost like Biden is a serial exhibitionist.
https://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/joe-biden-skinny-dipping-first-family-detail-109633
“Agents say that, whether at the vice president’s residence or at his home in Delaware, Biden has a habit of swimming in his pool nude,” Kessler wrote, according to the New York Daily News.
Female Secret Service agents found his skinny dipping to be “offensive.”
“The First Family Detail” describes the vice president’s desire to be seen as a “regular Joe,” but says that agents find that “being assigned to his detail is considered the second worst assignment in the Secret Service.”
Still couldn't beat Hillary.
Which is especially ironic in Jeffy’s case. He’s almost certainly a pedophile, or at least supports them.
Who you gonna believe? Some MAGA teenager (and your own lying eyes)? Or the semi-senile leader of the free world (and his really, really, really smart handlers)?
Looks like Ed needs to have his search history checked
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This is mad invention at its finest—to benefit all humanity if you win, and if you fail, to pay all the price yourself.
Without knowing anything else, it sounds like the state needs to step in.
Living in NY is worse than war torn Ukraine.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-05/nyc-s-displaced-ukrainians-weigh-ditching-city-for-war-torn-home?srnd=homepage-americas
'Build Back Better' meant controlled demolition.
Inflation doesn't melt steel beams!
^-this guy gets it.
CONSPIRACY!
Reasonably speaking, attempting to be a penniless refugee in NYC these days is probably incredibly foolish. We should have placed the actual refugees in smaller towns with affordable rent and actual jobs, and saved NYC for the illegals.
Get ready for a brutal hurricane season this year.
Finally. CLIMATE CHANGE!
Don't forget that Donald Trump wants to burn down your house.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-slams-trump-climate-arsonist-fires-ravage-west-n1240063
He has a big, beautiful tower that he wants me to move into instead.
Amazon launches employment support program for refugees
https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/workplace/amazon-launches-employment-support-program-for-refugees
Through the new Welcome Door program, Amazon refugee and humanitarian-based immigrant employees will have access to several new resources, including:
Reimbursement for EAD renewal fees, which cost on average roughly $500 every other year.
A new Citizenship Assistance Portal that will fully support U.S. citizenship applications for all eligible employees.
Ongoing communications that will highlight policy changes that may impact an employee’s immigration status.
Free legal resources to help navigate immigration-related questions and the ability to connect with immigration experts.
Access to skills training benefits including free college tuition and ESL proficiency through Amazon’s Career Choice program.
Customized mentorship.
I mean those folks aren't going to complain about the conditions in Amazon shipping centers...
Does Amazon even deliver food trucks?
Well ill be damned.
Mobile food truck https://a.co/d/9EFeumP
Akshually, that’s a trailer.
Well look at the food truck snob over here.
REVEALED: US is collaborating with Chinese scientists to make bird flu strains more infectious and deadly as part of $1m project - despite fears similar tests unleashed Covid
Research involves infecting birds with flu viruses to make them more infectious
The USDA is spending more than $1million to fund the risky experiments
READ MORE: US researchers found 'safety concerns' at Wuhan virus lab in 2017
Just in time for Biden to run or reelection from his basement. As an added bonus, this lets The Experts kill cattle and have us eat bugs.
Bird flu pandemic could be ‘100 times worse’ than COVID, scientists warn
https://nypost.com/2024/04/04/us-news/bird-flu-pandemic-could-be-100-times-worse-than-covid-scientists-warn/
...But it has now even been detected in mammals, with cattle herds across four states becoming infected, and on Monday, federal health officials announced that a dairy worker in Texas caught the virus.
I bet masks will stop it !
But how are you going to convince the cows to wear them?
I think they will cooperate once they are recognized as steakholders.
What if they have a beef with the plan?
I think he was just ribbing us.
It’s a nothingburger anyway.
Jeff is already wearing one.
Imagine his reaction if told he could catch a virus from a cheeseburger.
If morbid obesity won't stop him a cold sure won't.
Just as long as Ben & Jerry’s is safe.
Might even be the same one for the last 4 years.
Those masks will be all the rage on the New York strip.
I'm not getting within 6 feet of a cow.
I have a crazy idea. Maybe we should STOP DOING THAT!!!
Trust the experts!
We must assist Chinese research into biological weapons so that we will know how to defend against Chinese biological weapons.
Gotta have a reason to sell those chickens vaccines.
So many things that happened not very long ago no longer feel real when you look at photos of them
You couldn't AI a pic more surreally idiotic than that one of those idiots kneeling in performative African garb.
Good luck finding an AI that would include four white men* in a pic.
*I'm an amateur biologist.
Maybe if you just asked it "give me some post Floyd cringe" it would nail it
You couldn’t AI a pic more surreally idiotic than that one of those idiots kneeling in performative African slaver garb.
FTFY
Activists have added warnings that these products are "contaminated with apartheid & Zionism."
They suffered the Joe Biden "I did that" stickers at the pump. I'll give them this.
Those stickers need to make a big comeback in October.
It will be funny when gas is back to $5 in the fall.
It’s fucking $3.45 here in Dallas. I’m not sure I even paid that right after the Great Recession.
That's about what I paid yesterday in Albuquerque. Sadly, I didn't stop and fill up two days before when it was $2.94. :-/
Spokane went from $3.40 to $4.25 over the last six weeks. The woke idiots at our local ABC affiliate were cheering how prices might not rise quite so quickly going forward. As insipid as their reporting was, it was a breath of fresh air compared to the regular onslaught of hard hitting stories about climate change, LGBTetc., racism/diversity, and how we need more programs for our massive homeless population.
We never had a massive homeless population until the Spokane City Council started taking laments from Seattle, Portland and other municipalities in exchange for shipping their problem homeless here. So that worked out well.
With inflation 3.45 isn't very high. I remember paying 4.50 in 2008.
Yeah. And look what happened to the economy right after that.
I just so happen to like my foodstuffs contaminated with Zionism.
These ultra geniuses seem to have a tendency to forget that a lot of goods produced by Palestinians in the West Bank carry the Made in Israel label.
Activists call it contamination and you call it seasoning.
I eat the blood and body of Christ every weekend, you think a little apartheid and Zionism is going to phase me?
Nice!
t least it provides Misek with gainful employment. Although he would probably put the stickers out for free.
IRS to American public: FUTY, we’ve got whatever it takes to take what you’ve got, and we can lie all we want, bitches!
It's (D)ifferent for the rest of us. Never forget this.
BREAKING: Colorado 'praying grandma' who walked in Capitol on J6 found guilty by DC jury
"Multiple sources close to the case confirmed to The Post Millennial that she had been found guilty this afternoon by a DC jury. She could be sentenced to a year in prison and fines exceeding $200,000...
Rebecca Lavrenz had been charged with entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds, disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds, disorderly conduct in a Capitol Building, and parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol Building...
Surveillance footage shows her peacefully walking around inside the Capitol Building and speaking to a Capitol Police Officer."
They just sentenced another batch of people praying and singing hymns under FACE. This time for doing it in Nashville despite the abortion center they were in front of not allowed to operate under the state law.
Another set of FACE act trials start next month where DoJ is seeking 10 years for "blocking" people despite video showing people moving around the people praying.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/4-more-christians-found-guilty-over-prayer-gathering-nashville-abortion-clinic
Link
This is where you and your sources just flat-out lie. They were not convicted for merely "praying and singing". They were convicted for physically blocking the entrance to the clinic.
https://wpln.org/post/protesters-convicted-for-blockading-a-mt-juliet-abortion-clinic/
Is there actual evidence that they were infringing people’s movement?
If they were, is 10+ years in prison appropriate?
Way more appropriate than the 2B in damages and 20 murders for BLM. In case you haven’t noticed, jeff is a fascist.
Good old Jeffy. Always ready to murder a baby. And the ones that escape get mutilated and/or groomed to be molested by his fellow travelers.
What a guy.
you and your sources just flat-out lie
Who lies? From your own link:
One of the defendants, Coleman Boyd, brought his minor children with him to participate in the blockade and had his daughter follow a patient into the women’s restroom.
What kind of 'blockade' can you walk right through into the building and into the restroom? Answer - that is not what a blockade is.
Remember when the "peaceful counter-protesters" at Unite the Right joined hands and actually blockaded a legal and permitted protest march? I questioned how that could be considered non-violent and got the full Michael Hihn as a reply. Caps-lock and rights in conflict and everything.
The most hilarious part is jeff approved of blockades from the left constantly.
But not when it impedes physician assisted infanticide.
Or cheesy poof delivery.
Does anyone here REALLY expect an honest statement from Fatfuck?
They were convicted for merely “praying and singing”, the "blocking" part was your Junta's false charge, Nazi.
I guess she should have set an Apple Store on fire instead.
Any random "white" place.
Hell, commit arson at the Federal building in Portland every night over the summer and you don't get prosecuted.
...we're apparently doing "is it OK to smoke fentanyl inside subway cars?"
It would probably be therapeutic.
That'll be a hard no from me, chief.
Get a load of the libertarian who doesn't believe in self medication.
And is appropriating honorifics of the First People.
Well, not the actual first people since they were wiped out by intertribal conflict...just like all the one's who came afterwards.
Turns out a lot of American Indian tribes were 'mostly peaceful'.
Were they also mostly anti-racist and anti-slavery, too?
Yeah, they should hand out fentanyl at the turnstiles to make riding more pleasant.
US Cancels Latest Oil Reserve Refill Plan Amid High Prices
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-03/us-cancels-latest-oil-reserve-refill-plan-amid-high-prices
U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve drops to lowest level since 1987
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-drops-lowest-level-since-1987-2022-05-16
Rig count!
Is the rig count down? Should I pivot my investment to spittin’ tobaccy? Cheesy Poofs from BJ's?
So Biden has run our troops ragged, diverted VA resources to care for illegals, run short of munitions and ammo, squandered military budgets on DEI training, and now depleted the U.S. petroleum reserve.
Gosh, it’s a good thing hostile foreign powers like China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea would never take advantage of all that.
We are defintely run by the best and the brightest. Multiple wars and climbing prices seems like a good reason to to sit on less inventory than we have in 40+ years.
I was just listening to NPR on my way in to work, and they spent more than 10 minutes in prime drive time interviewing the father of one of the WKC aid workers killed. It was full of leading questions that culminated in the grieving father accusing the Israelis of deliberately targeting and killing the aid convoy. The denouement was the father crying when asked what he would tell his 18 month old grandson about his father.
Pure propaganda.
spiked is actually covering the Proggie demonization of Israel, unlike Reason.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/03/al-shifa-hospital-and-the-crisis-of-the-west/
I am not a simp for Israel. I think all foreign aid is a theft of taxpayer resources. But I do believe they have every right to defend their nation by dismantling Hamas. Hamas is the party guilty of hiding behind civilians.
Should have taught his kid to stay out of war zones.
His kid was a fucking special forces mercenary making good money off of the suffering of the Palestinians.
Now his kids wife understands what the hazard pay was for.
From the river to the sea all isralies shall be free
The thing that continues to amaze me is Hamas is still holding US citizens as hostages and nobody seems to care.
Has this ever happened before?
Well, joe said those hostages are the admin's highest priority, so I can assume they are working around the clock on it.
Do the Americans left behind in Afghanistan count?
Yes. And that was the Biden administration as well.
Yes, The American hostages held in Iran.
I was only a child at the time so I could be wrong, but my understanding is that it was treated as a big deal. Was it ignored, with members of Congress and many in mainstream media rooting for Iran in the conflict?
It was a big deal to all except the Carter administration. Even Khomeini was surprised by Carter's unwillingness to do anything. I read somewhere where Carter didn't want to interfere with a "holy man"
Carter let the hostages rot for 444 days. The hostages were released on the day of Reagan's inauguration.
NPR. The P is for Propaganda. Also Pricks, Posers, Pea-heads, Pansies, Pygmies...
>spiked is actually covering the Proggie demonization of Israel, unlike Reason.
Spiked is outside of the Beltway. Unlike Reason.
Seriously, a libertarian magazine with all their writers being progressive journalists in progressive enclaves is not going to be very libertarian.
Kudos to Wolfe for understanding that presenting a different viewpoint than all of her NYC (and Reason) peers is actually a good strategy.
President Biden's plan to hire a new army of tax collectors is falling flat, and the agents already at work are targeting the middle class.
Those tax cattle were wearing too short of skirts.
It must be a mistake, the Democrats swore that they needed that tax collector army for going after billionaire fat cats who didn't pay their share.
If I were a billionaire and living like a king, I would definitely hold my nose and pay those assholes all the money I owed. Nobody living as well as they do is going to risk their lifestyle for a few percent off of their tax bill. When is the last time they caught a billionaire tax cheat? They are chasing money that doesn't exist, and anyone involved with an IQ over 80 knew it when they passed it.
The thing is they were always going to pass it, the lies were just for fun.
They don't need the publics support of those bills, and they know that full well.
Plus, the amount of people who actually pay taxes is less than half the country so we are already past the tipping point. They could outright tell us that yes, they are planning on taxing 'the middle class' through the nose and it would still sail through committee to cheers and applause from the majority of Americans.
Yup. You want a real "threat to democracy"? When 20% of households support the rest of the country, who then vote themselves all kids of shit, that's a threat.
Hey, when you are a de-gendered barista working for $12.50 per hour, sharing a 4 bedroom condo, and have $100k in student loans, everyone else is a billionaire.
Why is it a bad thing they didn’t hire a bunch of goons?
They got $80 billion to hire a bunch of goons and didn't do it.
Perhaps they should investigate where that went?
You are just asking for an audit.
Thank God this is the IRS and not elections or else the audit ask would be criminal.
It appears fist is scottish
"Hey MacLeod! Get offa mah ewe!"
What's he got on under his kilt?
Some of us can't afford long, extravagant skirts anymore.
Skirt length is my favorite kind of shrinkflation.
Education is a fundamental human right
https://x.com/Greg1Garrett/status/1775307079126806960
Today in my Harry Potter class
@Baylor
, we had a hard and necessary conversation about JK Rowling and her hatred of trans- people. We decided novelist Rowling, who wrote with compassion about diversity, equity, and inclusion, is worth our attention. Twitter Rowling? Shame on her.
Why is Harry potter being thought in collage?
Required course for Witchcraft majors.
JK Rowling and her hatred of trans- people
Is this the state of academia, even at a private university in Texas? Fallacies rule and begging the question goes without challenge?
JK Rowling has absolutely nothing against trans- people (?), and has written long letters explaining exactly that. There is even a trans character in the Hogwarts video game, at her request. She specifically has a problem with men pretending to be women and taking advantage of legal protections carved out for women. The whole Rowling controversy is fucking insane beyond all belief. I seriously hope they arrest her in Scotland. The lies the Proggies tell die in the light.
She doesn't toe the line 100%, and that makes her an apostate. Apostates and infidels are pure evil and everything they say or produce is of the devil except in specific cases where an anointed priest can safely and accurately determine otherwise (e.g. novelist Rowling).
JK Rowling has absolutely nothing against trans- people (?), and has written long letters explaining exactly that.
That's not really relevant. Cultural marxists are religious fanatics, and anything which goes against their prevailing dogma has to be squashed. "Intoleration of movements from the right, and toleration of movements from the left" is the keystone of their ideology.
The double standard is the point. Every concession is met with additional demands, and because the only thing they understand is power, the only solution is to tell them "no" and then squash them with prejudice if and when they try to impose themselves. Like Millei says, "you can't give shit leftards an inch...if you give them an inch, they'll use it to destroy you."
It's remarkable how @resistance has managed to drag the mostly cold dead corpses of misogyny and 30s style antisemitism out of the grave and breath new life into them. “Intoleration of movements from the right, and toleration of movements from the left” may be the goal but it's getting hard to tell which is which.
There’s no such thing as Cultural Marxism!!1!!11!!
I wouldn't know, nobody has bitten me on the ass recently.
What I'm hearing here is "Burn Marxists at the stake, like witches".
I like where you are going with this.
To think this video went viral of a teacher using logic for a student regarding the claim just a month or two back.
https://twitter.com/addicted2newz/status/1753702517765021907?t=1DFUXDQU1SX1VZO-SjTulw&s=19
It's amusing to watch someone discover that looking at primary sources is in fact a pretty wise thing to do.
The fact that so many can't identify the Marxist tactic of repeating the lie until it becomes the truth is truly frightening.
Oh good, college courses dedicated to books that shouldn't even make it onto a middle school required reading list about magic and wizards.
Truly, advancing society
That shit's been going on for a long time because college professors, especially in the liberal arts, are obsessed with intellectual fashion and pop culture.
And many of these professors sadly think they are brilliant scholarships because of it.
Privatization would be one way of solving this.
Welcome to the Grand Opening of our Fent Car. For a low monthly rate of 1 ipad or 20 tide bottles (we except all barter trades), you can ride in style without all the hassle of dealing with sober people while you shoot up.
WOW. Instagram has labeled the video of Democrats calling for political v*olence as "Missing Context." It's literally on video in their own words...
I'm sure their "independent fact-checkers" are totally impartial and not biased at all.
Wasn't sarc screaming context to defend democrats just a couple days back? This is who they target.
"calling for political v*olence"
Where they calling to do something peacefully and patriotically?
The context is that it's totally cool for Democrats to threaten and commit political violence.
As always, it's (D)ifferent when they do it.
Your refusal to submit and obey is authoritarian. Their demand for submission and obedience is not. 2+2 = 3. A woman can have a penis. Progressives represent 99% of the population.
How ‘Do Your Own Research’ Might Have Doomed Democracy
Author Tom Nichols warns that America’s growing distrust of experts could usher in a new authoritarian age: “I think a lot of people, particularly in the Trump cult, have just become cats that are so far up a tree, they don’t know how to get down.”
https://www.gq.com/story/tom-nichols-death-of-expertise-democracy
...Tom Nichols: It’s even worse than that. It’s not just hobbling the ability of citizens to make informed decisions, it’s breaking down the bonds of trust that democracies rest on. None of us are willing to listen to anybody else about anything. And that’s not just an attack on knowledge, that’s basically an attack on the division of labor, in a way.
Well, that is impressively retarded.
Freedom is slavery!
'Freedom' is just slavery to your greed and racism. True freedom is submission to those who have risen above all that - they will free you from your enslavement to non-progressivism if you just obey.
Yes. Many kids read 1984 and see the slogans as evil contradictions. What they miss is that Orwell's slogans lose their contradictory nature and are equally true when inverted if you take them to heart.
WAR IS PEACE.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
The proggies are proving it right now over Israel. They are demanding that Israel accept terrorism and call it peace.
4. "Alternative facts" are just as valid as real facts.
Depends on the scenario. I was told that lab leak was not possible and a racist conspiracy theory by "official sources" and "the experts" and my "alternative facts" told me that has to be bullshit, it came from the lab.
So why were alternative facts correct here?
You are confusing "alternative facts" (which is just another phrase for 'my truth' or 'things that I wish were true') with changing conclusions based on additional data.
Back in early 2020, the claim that the virus escaped from the lab, based on the information known at the time, was based entirely on circumstantial speculation. Now, there is much more evidence that lends credence to the claim that the virus may have escaped from the lab. That doesn't mean your circumstantial bullshit in 2020 was correct, it means we now have additional evidence to support the claim.
"Back in early 2020, the claim that the virus escaped from the lab, based on the information known at the time, was based entirely on circumstantial speculation"
- no, it was based on Wuhan lab workers from the Wuhan SARS coronavirus lab, where they were doing GOF research on COVID like viruses, getting sick at the site of the outbreak. This "circumstantial evidence" was significantly more compelling than the gaslighting the "experts" employed to cover their asses.
"Now, there is much more evidence that lends credence to the claim that the virus may have escaped from the lab."
- not really, enough time has passed that people felt comfortable crawling into their holes with the media memory holing it. Very little changed other than enough people rolling their eyes over the fanciful wet market story when faced with pretty obvious reality
"That doesn’t mean your circumstantial bullshit in 2020 was correct, it means we now have additional evidence to support the claim."
No, it means precisely that. This is an attempt for you to spin on behalf of your kind toward a "facts changed, so we followed the science", but anyone with a brain can see that wasn't what happened. The emperor was naked, we called him out for being naked, you lied and said "no, you are looking at him from a funny angle, he is definitely wearing clothes" and then more people came forward and said "wtf you talking about he was obviously naked, anyone could see it" and after years of weaseling you came back with "ok maybe he was naked, but that's only because we got some info though!"
"Alternative" facts keep beating out your teams facts because they were never "facts" they were always propaganda.
they were doing GOF research on COVID like viruses
How much of that information was known to the general public in early 2020?
Moreover, how many of the "lab leak theory" proponents in early 2020 used this as a justification for their beliefs, instead of the far more circumstantial/paranoid version of "I don't trust the experts so I will use Google maps and see that there is a virus lab in Wuhan and so that is PROOF that the virus escaped from there". Be honest - most if not all of the people in early 2020 making the "lab leak" claim did so only because there also happened to be a virus lab in the city of Wuhan with precisely zero knowledge of what was going on in that lab, and because they had an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias against the claims of the experts.
Furthermore, let's not forget that many of the same people making the "lab leak" claim early on, ALSO promoted the far more idiotic claim that the virus was deliberately engineered in order to create a pandemic to punish Americans and Trump specifically. So if you mix together a somewhat plausible idea (lab leak) with a profoundly idiotic idea (deliberate biowarfare) then I think people can be forgiven for rejecting both out of hand.
"Be honest – most if not all of the people in early 2020 making the “lab leak” claim did so only because there also happened to be a virus lab in the city of Wuhan with precisely zero knowledge of what was going on in that lab, and because they had an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias against the claims of the experts."
This is the opposite of honesty.
Note that he admits in the part you quoted that the "experts" and their media shills went all-in on the wet market claim, which is why they called the lab leak a "conspiracy theory" instead of admitting that it was a strong possibility.
And let's face it, a lot of the reason they did so was because Wuhan Lab was being supported by Ecohealth Alliance, which implicated Fauci in the fuckup.
And let’s face it, a lot of the reason they did so was because Wuhan Lab was being supported by Ecohealth Alliance, which implicated Fauci in the fuckup.
This can’t be repeated enough. There is close to a zero percent chance that when Fauci found out where this originated that his anus didn’t pucker.
The dude’s head should be rolling around in a gutter somewhere for his involvement and the subsequent cover up. I’d have at least an iota of respect for him if he had fessed up immediately to what likely happened, but instead they prevaricated for years to avoid any semblance of responsibility.
It’s the only plausible reason for the total denial that there was any possibility it came from the nearby research lab that he knew for a fact was researching gain of function in the exact disease that happened to break out.
Any real scientist worth their salt would have at least acknowledged there was a good chance it originated there even if they didn’t know for sure, but instead they blame a wet market? That is textbook propaganda and there is no question about that whatsoever.
He wouldn't know honesty if it were dressed up as a cocaine-fueled grizzly bear jumping out of a trunk.
“Be honest – most if not all of the people in early 2020 making the “lab leak” claim did so only because there also happened to be a virus lab in the city of Wuhan with precisely zero knowledge of what was going on in that lab, and because they had an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias against the claims of the experts.”
I think this is truer than you wish to admit.
That's such a weird position from him. I take that back a normal position unfortunately. Don't take the most logical route but take the bat soup/ raccoon dog steaks position and torch any attempt to discuss the truth.
Don’t take the most logical route but take the bat soup/ raccoon dog steaks position and torch any attempt to discuss the truth.
What was the origin of SARS-CoV-1 back in 2003? It had a zoonotic origin. It passed from animals to humans in - get this - a wet market in Guangdong, China.
So, which is really the more logical position?
- The virus was engineered/studied in a lab and escaped.
- The virus SARS-CoV-2 evolved in exactly the same way as the virus SARS-CoV-1.
Indulging in false dilemmas again, eh, chemfat?
The virus didn't "escape," the Wuhan workers were fucking sloppy in their safety protocols and ended up letting the virus outside its containment. The whole fucking reason the Obama adminstration cut back on such research, which was why Fauci used Ecohealth Alliance as a front group in Wuhan to keep the research going, was due to the extreme risk of a Captain Trips scenario happening.
No desire now to re-evaluate that first kung-flu origin story?
The virus didn’t “escape,” the Wuhan workers were fucking sloppy in their safety protocols and ended up letting the virus outside its containment.
This is a ridiculous nitpick. Even assuming the lab-leak hypothesis is true, we have no idea if the lab leak occurred due to negligence or a genuinely unpreventable accident. EITHER SITUATION may fairly be described as the virus "escaping". This is you arguing against me just for the sake of arguing against me.
No desire now to re-evaluate that first kung-flu origin story?
Who, me? I still don't know how the virus first emerged. It may have been a lab leak or it may have had natural origins.
This is a ridiculous nitpick.
A lab with a reputation for safety issues isn't a "nitpick."
we have no idea if the lab leak occurred due to negligence or a genuinely unpreventable accident.
You mean those risks that led the Obama administration to restrict gain of function research, which led Fauci to using Ecohealth Alliance as his front group in Wuhan?
EITHER SITUATION may fairly be described as the virus “escaping”. This is you arguing against me just for the sake of arguing against me.
You're deliberately trying to diminish the argument by framing it as something that just waltzed out the door, as opposed to negligent lab practices by the people running the lab.
Who, me? I still don’t know how the virus first emerged. It may have been a lab leak or it may have had natural origins.
Is that why you've been denigrating the lab theory in this whole thread, you disingenuous fat fuck?
Also notable that jeff changed his characterization of the lab leak theory from "circumstantial bullshit" in his earlier post, to "somewhat plausible" in the post I'm replying to now.
Don't worry, tomorrow he'll be back to pretending it is “circumstantial bullshit”.
So if you mix together a somewhat plausible idea (lab leak) with a profoundly idiotic idea (deliberate biowarfare) then I think people can be forgiven for rejecting both out of hand.
Yes, jeffy. Conflating the ridiculous with the plausible is an effective tactic. That is why you latched onto it back then and are repeating it again right here.
But it should not be forgiven. Nobody but you was confused about what was reasonable at the time. I still remember.
His dishonesty has gotten even more blatant, somehow.
His anger at people finally calling him out after years if sophistry. Plus the anger over the bears in trunk metaphor. He even still defends it as valid.
Oh, those silly bears in trunks.
I am so glad I got to be there. He really revealed himself that day, devolving as he tried to defend his absurdity until he finally got stuck in a loop. The guy that claims isn't just here to defend Democrats:
Oh, so you want to talk about bears in trunks? That was a metaphor for the problem of negligence, which is a concept that libertarians generally have difficulty with.
So, is negligence a violation of the NAP? If so, can you precisely describe the aggression that occurred, and by whom? If not, then can you state how, in a libertarian-type system, harm that results from acts of negligence are redressed?
Oh, so you want to talk about bears in trunks? That was a metaphor for the problem of negligence, which is a concept that libertarians generally have difficulty with.
It was an absurdist attempt to conflate failure to vaccinate with failure to quarantine. It has been made even more absurd by the passage of time as you cannot point to a single study that definitively demonstrates that the COVID vaccine has ever prevented anyone from contracting or transmitting the virus.
It's the Democrat trend.
– not really, enough time has passed that people felt comfortable crawling into their holes with the media memory holing it.
Again, this is not being fair. There were entire investigations into the origin of the virus and the results of those investigations only became publicly known in early 2023 or so.
No, it means precisely that.
Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus escaped from a lab only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a virus lab in Wuhan. That's not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit.
"Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus escaped from a lab only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a virus lab in Wuhan. That’s not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit."
Occam's razor wins again. The contest was between pretty obvious circumstantial evidence, and a made up CYA fairytale. So no, it wasn't just the most likely circumstantial "bullshit", it also happened to be the truth
made up CYA fairytale
But see, this is just the opposite side of the same coin where they call you a bunch of conspiracy theorists. If you want them to take your good-faith reasoning seriously, maybe you should take their good-faith reasoning seriously.
The virus jumping between species at a wet market is an entirely plausible hypothesis, viruses jumping between species has happened before, and it still may wind up being the correct explanation for the origin of the COVID-19 virus.
"But see, this is just the opposite side of the same coin where they call you a bunch of conspiracy theorists. If you want them to take your good-faith reasoning seriously, maybe you should take their good-faith reasoning seriously."
^In which Jeff tries to pretend that he hasn't been the one calling people conspriracy theorists. He now tries to posture as if he's an objective moderator between the two positions.
Jeff, you have stated up and down the thread that the skeptics are guilty of "circumstantial bullshit." Could you be any more disingenuous?
I do call people conspiracy theorists. I don’t pretend to be an objective neutral moderator. That is you imposing a standard on me that I never agreed to adopt. I am simply making a point: if you don’t want to be falsely labeled a conspiracy theorist based on your good-faith arguments, maybe you shouldn’t be going around criticizing OTHER good-faith arguments as “propaganda”. And maybe you should accept good-faith criticism of your argument instead of getting bitchy and defensive about it. The fact of the matter is, IN EARLY 2020, the ONLY evidence that was publicly known for the claim that the virus escaped from a lab, was nothing but a conjecture based on the fact that there was a virus lab in Wuhan. That's it. And it is not unreasonable or unfair to dismiss that argument based on lack of evidence.
Good faith is something you have yet to display here.
A virus originating from a place where there is a virus-lab was a perfectly reasonable, common-sense position to take. Could it have been false? Sure. But those who took stated that position were derided as racists and tin-foil hat wearers. You still continue to do so, up to the present.
Good faith is something you have yet to display here.
Oh fuck you. I display more good faith effort here than I will ever be given credit for.
A virus originating from a place where there is a virus-lab was a perfectly reasonable, common-sense position to take.
Compared to the other hypothesis, that the virus jumped species in a wet market, exactly like how SARS-CoV-1 originated? It absolutely does sound nutty.
But those who took stated that position were derided as racists and tin-foil hat wearers. You still continue to do so, up to the present.
You claim to be operating in good faith - when have I ever called anyone a "racist" for a belief in the lab-leak hypothesis?
Lol, here’s Lying Jeffy calling people out for calling propaganda, propaganda.
“Oh fuck you. I display more good faith effort here than I will ever be given credit for.”
You started the thread with the lab leak being “bullshit” then later changed it to “somewhat plausible.” You don’t seem to be able to decide which it is, but it seems to depend on whether you’re trying to seem smarter than the other posters, or trying to appear reasonable and accommodating to other viewpoints.
I’ve been here long enough to know that you’re neither.
"when have I ever called anyone a “racist” for a belief in the lab-leak hypothesis?"
As you well know, those who put forth the lab leak theory were derided as racist against the Chinese.
You have done the tinfoil hat accusation up and down the thread all day. Racist - no, at least not in this thread, although you're no stranger to those type of accusations elsewhere.
You started the thread with the lab leak being “bullshit”
Be honest. I was referring to how the argument was presented back in early 2020, not currently.
then later changed it to “somewhat plausible.”
Yes, "somewhat plausible" TO YOU.
Why do you always have to interpret everything I write in the worst possible manner?
And yes, if you want to claim credit for promoting the lab-leak hypothesis as being correct now because you believed it back in early 2020 when the only evidence in favor of it was pure conjecture because there was a virus lab already in Wuhan, then no you don't get credit.
I don't give a shit about "claiming credit" for anything; hell, I wasn't even on this forum in 2020. I'm pointing out that there was always very reasonable evidence for the lab leak theory, and it seems to have borne out. And, some of the same authorities we were urged to believe at the time, have been shown to be lying to cover themselves in the most corrupt ways.
"Why do you always have to interpret everything I write in the worst possible manner?"
I take what you write at face-value, except where it contradicts what you have written elsewhere (you refer to this as "gotcha-games")
Your posting history (in the time I have been here) puts you long past deserving the benefit of the doubt. You regularly posture yourself as one of the only libertarians on the board. You have individualist in your screen name, while you are no such thing.
"I do call people conspiracy theorists. I don’t pretend to be an objective neutral moderator. That is you imposing a standard on me that I never agreed to adopt. I am simply making a point: if you don’t want to be falsely labeled a conspiracy theorist based on your good-faith arguments, maybe you shouldn’t be going around criticizing OTHER good-faith arguments as “propaganda”. And maybe you should accept good-faith criticism of your argument instead of getting bitchy and defensive about it. The fact of the matter is, IN EARLY 2020, the ONLY evidence that was publicly known for the claim that the virus escaped from a lab, was nothing but a conjecture based on the fact that there was a virus lab in Wuhan. That’s it. And it is not unreasonable or unfair to dismiss that argument based on lack of evidence."
There were two options:
1) It came from a wet market even though literally zero evidence exists that it evolved naturally at all.
2) It came from a lab thats deals with highly infectious diseases.
At this point, #1 is a far less likely scenario and no evidence has been presented to justify it.
Compared to the other hypothesis, that the virus jumped species in a wet market, exactly like how SARS-CoV-1 originated? It absolutely does sound nutty.
It doesn't sound nutty at all when the Wuhan Lab was known for being shit in their safety efforts.
It sounds nutty to people who were desperate to believe it was a wet market release, because a lab leak might damage the reputation of their precious "experts" who are never wrong at anything.
I’m pointing out that there was always very reasonable evidence for the lab leak theory,
In early 2020? No there wasn't. The "evidence" was, again, tantamount to the "wet roads cause rain" fallacy. That there is a virus lab in Wuhan doesn't prove that the virus escaped from the lab, no more than the presence of a hospital in Wuhan proves that cancer is caused by the hospital.
So the people who now want to claim "aha! we were right all along!" want to try to take credit for believing in a logical fallacy.
I take what you write at face-value, except where it contradicts what you have written elsewhere (you refer to this as “gotcha-games”)
No, you don't. You deliberately twist what I write to try to entrap me, in some game.
1) It came from a wet market even though literally zero evidence exists that it evolved naturally at all.
Except that is how the previous SARS virus emerged. If you see a brand new SARS-like virus, absent any additional information, I think it would be absolutely reasonable to make a hypothesis that the new SARS virus emerged in the same way that the previous SARS virus emerged. And there IS substantial overlap between the genetic sequence of the original SARS-CoV-2 virus and a virus found in bats that (IIRC) were sold at that market.
It doesn’t sound nutty at all when the Wuhan Lab was known for being shit in their safety efforts.
What exactly did you know in February/March 2020 about the safety record of the Wuhan virus lab? Hmm? I'm willing to bet: nothing.
What exactly did you know in February/March 2020 about the safety record of the Wuhan virus lab? Hmm? I’m willing to bet: nothing.
Noting that there's a virology lab in the area, like Jerryskids did, and follow-up research on its reputation, you fat sack of shit. Which leads to further revelations that Ecohealth Alliance started helping the lab with gain of function research on these viruses, supported by Fauci, after Obama restricted those practices in the US.
You're so desperate to protect the reputation of your precious "experts" that you're desperately flailing here now.
Lying Jeffy relies on intentional ignorance, so he assumes (or lies about it) that everyone is as ignorant as he is.
This whole thread is literally him arguing that everyone that got Covid right did so accidentally, and people like him that got everything wrong, were really right, but facts changed.
It’s the reasoning of a psychopath.
Again, this is not being fair. There were entire investigations into the origin of the virus and the results of those investigations only became publicly known in early 2023 or so.
Oh, fuck off. People who promoted the lab leak theory were being denigrated as conspiracy theorists for fucking YEARS. This "investigations were being conducted!" is just misdirection and deflection from what actually happened.
Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus escaped from a lab only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a virus lab in Wuhan. That’s not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit.
Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus started in a wet market only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a wet market in Wuhan. That’s not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit. But that is what the "experts" and lefty sources were all claiming for years.
"Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus started in a wet market only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a wet market in Wuhan. That’s not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit. But that is what the “experts” and lefty sources were all claiming for years."
Be fair now, they went from a wet market bat that fucked a pangolin, to a rabid racoon-dog. It was an evolving theory of gaslighting ass-covering bullshittery.
All the while Fauci appeared for dozens of congressional hearings lecturing detractors with "YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT!!"
Racoon dogs are still to blame.
It was an evolving theory of gaslighting ass-covering bullshittery.
It was actually an evolving set of plausible testable hypotheses to explain the origin of the virus, that we all got to observe in real time because each new hypothesis was breathlessly presented in the major media. It is actually how science works, it's just that most of the time not everyone sees all of the intermediate steps and hypotheses that are rejected in the end until the final, accepted one is adopted.
You are entirely not being fair to scientists and individuals who worked in good faith to try to come up with evidence and hypotheses to explain the virus origin.
"You are entirely not being fair to scientists and individuals who worked in good faith to try to come up with evidence and hypotheses to explain the virus origin."
Does this include fauci?
I think Fauci behaved more like a politician than a scientist, frankly.
"I think Fauci behaved more like a politician than a scientist, frankly."
So you distrust Fauci then? Are you displaying an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias?
So you distrust Fauci then? Are you displaying an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias?
Is this "good faith" - trying to play gotcha games with me?
My opinion on Fauci is based on my observation of his individual actions, not merely because he held a position of authority.
Pointing out your contradictions and double standards is not gotcha games.
But this is not a double standard. This is you trying to twist my statements into a supposed double standard so that you can play a gotcha game.
This is what I wrote above:
" they had an irrational knee-jerk anti-authority bias against the claims of the experts."
Note I wrote expertS, plural. Meaning, that in my statement, I am claiming that they are irrationally opposed to 'experts' as a general rule because they are experts, not based on specific statements or acts of those experts. It is the same anti-elitist sentiment that is commonly displayed around here. They object to what the experts say because they are 'elitists'.
But then, you twist that into a specific claim about one specific expert, Fauci. My objection to him is not because he is an 'elite' or because he claims to be an 'expert'. My objection to him is based on his specific acts which did harm to his reputation as well as to the cause of scientific inquiry generally, where he unwisely mixed his scientific authority with behavior more in common with a politician.
And be honest: you asked me specifically about Fauci because you wanted to try to entrap me. If I answered "yes, I thought Fauci was a great guy", you would respond with a long list of Fauci's calumnies and condemn me for trusting him. If I answered "no, I thought Fauci did not behave properly", you would (as you did) condemn me as contradicting myself with my statement above. Either way, I was damned, right? That is what you purposefully set out to do.
JUST LIKE: you are now on the prowl for anyone using any hint of dehumanizing language, so as to throw it in their face as evidence of their hypocrisy if they objected to Trump doing the same. Because the goal here is not to discuss why dehumanizing language is good or bad, it is to play gotcha games.
You seem to have a habit of this. So don't claim purity and innocence where it doesn't exist.
If all you want to do is to try to play gotcha games, then I'll just put you on ignore. It is tiresome and dumb.
Shorter chemfat: "Experts are never wrong at anything, ever. That's why they're experts and why people should never question them."
“And be honest: you asked me specifically about Fauci because you wanted to try to entrap me.”
This is what projection looks like.
“…..scientists and individuals who worked in good faith….”
Jesus fucking Christ Jeff, the first people to get sick worked at the lab. Even if we didn’t know that right away, I’m sure they found out very early on in their “investigation”. And 2 years later we were still hearing about raccoon dogs?
Seriously dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? Do you work for the government?
You are entirely not being fair to scientists and individuals who worked in good faith to try to come up with evidence and hypotheses to explain the virus origin.
Even this is a lie. We have literally emails and memos from the CDC showing the origin of the wet market theory and the discrediting of the lab leak theory being from EcoAlliance who was the agent funneling taxpayer money to Wuhan. Fauci even sent an email to people skeptical of wet market theories to change their viewpoint through grant funding mechanisms.
You can't even be honest with your characterizations here Jeff. Mendacity piece of shit.
The origin of the wet market hypothesis ultimately is that it is how SARS-CoV-1 came to be, and SARS-CoV-2 is its close relative.
No, it was a cover-up to hide the true origins of COVID: the Wuhan Lab.
Jeff's razor: believe official explanations, regardless of plausibility.
It’s amazing how much deference and benefit-of-the-doubt a self proclaimed “radical individualist” and supposed libertarian gives to the state.
It is not deference "to the state". It is recognition of legitimate expertise.
Expertise in propaganda, that you accepted.
Except they have proven time and time again that they aren’t always experts and that they will almost always error on the side of the government taking more power, consequences be damned.
You're right! The experts aren't always right! Because no human being is ever right 100% of the time!
It’s not that they get things wrong, obviously nobody is perfect, it’s that they’ll be wrong and instead of taking it on the chin they double down, lie, obfuscate, try to suppress, and denigrate people that disagree with them/try to prove them wrong.
Surprise, surprise, when government experts aren’t forthcoming and transparent (or better yet, refuse to admit they were wrong), it breeds distrust in their fellow citizens.
Sorry, you cannot *PROVE* that the virus started in a wet market only because you know how to use Google Maps and you see that there is a wet market in Wuhan. That’s not proof, that is circumstantial bullshit. But that is what the “experts” and lefty sources were all claiming for years.
Who in a position of scientific authority ever claimed that the wet market hypothesis was a PROVEN UNDENIABLE FACT? Sure maybe some idiot politicians said that, but not the scientists who actually know things.
Jeff, in January of 2021, the WHO "described a lab accident as “extremely unlikely.”, as quoted in a Science article from September 2021 headlined with "Why many scientists say it’s unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 originated from a “lab leak”"
Which is odd, because it was reported in July 2021 that "The WHO's Chief Says It Was Premature To Rule Out A Lab Leak As The Pandemic's Origin"
But, not coincidentally, the story about EcoHealth Alliance also broke in September, only to be met with a flood of media outlets reporting that the lab leak had been debunked.
And as of August 2023 it was still being reported that "The laboratory accident hypothesis of COVID-19’s origins is a bust, but the popular consensus is unwilling to accept it." despite multiple intelligence gathering agencies conclusions that contradict that coming in March of 2023.
You have been here each time bleating the same story that you never closed your mind to what was always the most likely scenario and accusing others of believing conspiracy theories for accepting the most likely scenario originally.
But they didn't literally say PROVEN UNDENIABLE FACT!
-jeff
Jeff, in January of 2021, the WHO “described a lab accident as “extremely unlikely.”, as quoted in a Science article from September 2021 headlined with “Why many scientists say it’s unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 originated from a “lab leak””
That was from February 2020, not January 2021.
Which is odd, because it was reported in July 2021 that “The WHO’s Chief Says It Was Premature To Rule Out A Lab Leak As The Pandemic’s Origin”
Huh, weird. So they are doing exactly as the scientific method demands: using new evidence to inform their decisions.
But, not coincidentally, the story about EcoHealth Alliance also broke in September, only to be met with a flood of media outlets reporting that the lab leak had been debunked.
So in YOUR MIND, this is all coordinated together. A story about EcoHealth Alliance broke, and NOT COINCIDENTALLY, there's a bunch of stories 'debunking' the lab leak theory. Why, it's almost as if the giant cabal of deep state perpetrators is deliberately pushing propaganda to prop up their narrative and obfuscate the truth! Or, it is all in your head.
Once again, nothing definitive has been proved.
So in YOUR MIND, this is all coordinated together. A story about EcoHealth Alliance broke, and NOT COINCIDENTALLY, there’s a bunch of stories ‘debunking’ the lab leak theory. Why, it’s almost as if the giant cabal of deep state perpetrators is deliberately pushing propaganda to prop up their narrative and obfuscate the truth! Or, it is all in your head.
Except is isn't in my head. A story broke that identified serious conflicts of interest involving scientists who signed a letter stating a lab leak was far less likely than a natural occurrence AND a bunch a of stories "debunking" the lab leak theory were issued at the same time. There is no need for those things to be coordinated to be true. It actually happened.
You are the fuckstain insisting there either must be a conspiracy or it didn't happen. I am perfectly willing to believe that the MSM thinks they did the right thing by supporting Fauci despite mounting evidence that his integrity was compromised. Just like the CDC supported Cuomo and Pritzker and all the other assholes whose policies caused more harm than good. Just like the public health experts supported masking and vaccine mandates. Just like you did the same, and justified it to protect people from trunk bears.
Once again, nothing definitive has been proved.
You have proved something definitive here today; that you are an insufferable twat that will continue to argue long after your fallacies have been exposed.
I for one love Jeff's excuse making for intentional lies and narratives that he pretends were a conspiracy theory until the evidence is too great to overcome. Sarc too.
It shows how intellectually weak they are, intellectually lazy and dishonest they are, how willingly they push state and leftist narratives.... then blame you for not having the same base characteristics.
It's unfortunate he hasn't given up on this.
Personally I find it highly entertaining.
Same. Watching them continue to rage against those who are more consistently right while screaming those who were right are still conspiracy theorists is hilarious. Then denying they are state narrative pushing morons who are open to objective arguments is also hilarious.
The conspiracy theory/reject-all-authority crowd are not "more consistently right". Instead, all your experience proves is that (a) experts are not right 100% of the time, and (b) you all don't understand how science actually works in practice, mistaking good faith efforts to modify and/or reject hypotheses when new data is presented, for "lying" and "propaganda" and "fraud". And even when your crew is right, it is more like a stopped-clock phenomenon: you are right for the wrong reasons. *IF* SARS-CoV-2 is ever definitively shown to have originated from the Wuhan virus lab, it will NOT be because some morons in early 2020 learned how to use Google Maps to locate a virus lab in Wuhan.
“some morons in early 2020 learned how to use Google Maps to locate a virus lab in Wuhan.”
I knew how to use google maps well before 2020.
And I’m pretty consistently right about most things discussed here.
Not enough condescension in this post. Do better guy.
The conspiracy theory/reject-all-authority crowd are not “more consistently right”. Instead, all your experience proves is that (a) experts are not right 100% of the time, and (b) you all don’t understand how science actually works in practice, mistaking good faith efforts to modify and/or reject hypotheses when new data is presented, for “lying” and “propaganda” and “fraud”.
When those “experts” went all-in on suppressing anyone who argued for the lab leak and poisoned the well on it as conspiracy theorists, they absolutely earned every bit of distrust they get from here on out. Especially after it's now come out recently that "science" journals have been deliberately pushing fear porn on "climate change" for explicity political and quasi-religious purposes ("The danger requires us to be alarmist"), rather than scientific ones, denigrating anyone who works to debunk their fear narratives.
Never take anything the “experts” say at face value.
"“Alternative” facts keep beating out your teams facts because they were never “facts” they were always propaganda."
"We choose truth over facts." - Joe Biden
^ Word.
The emperor was naked, we called him out for being naked
What is closer to the truth, is that you were going to call out the emperor for being naked whether or not he was. It didn't really matter what the experts said - you are so distrusting of them that you were going to make up whatever 'alternative facts' that you wished in order to disagree with them. And since the experts are never right 100% of the time, you are going to take the one or two times that you were right and they were wrong, and try to prove that the experts are always wrong or something.
When the “experts” make claims that ignore or contradict known facts (wuhan lab), and/or contradict prior positions they held (masks don't work, wait-a-minute, yes they do, wait-a-minute-again, no they don't), and/or appear to be aimed at helping one political side – yes, it is ok to distrust them.
What about the wet-market hypothesis "ignore or contradict known facts"? The fact that there was a virus lab in Wuhan? I mean, I don't know what to say - you seem to think that the very fact that there was a virus lab in Wuhan is PROOF that the virus escaped from the lab? that's the very problem that I am talking about. It isn't proof, it is conjecture only, and alternative hypotheses are not required to accept your conjecture as PROOF.
This isn't a matter of proof, it's a matter of common-sense, and anyone not going along with the official line being dismissed.
Yes, they ignored the fact that there was a lab there. Those who pointed it out (not as PROOF, but as "hey, doesn't common-sense indicate a connection here?") were dismissed as racists and CT'ers. Was that done in good faith, jeff?
Some of the very same "experts" who did this have since been revealed as covering up their own bad behavior. Were they arguing in good faith at the time jeff?
"Radical individualist"
I mean even basic understanding of viral sizes against pore sizes showed "the science" to be utter bullshit. So jeff and his other useful idiots tried claiming surface contact and mucas. Despite, again, 100 years of science he was given time and time again about viral airborne viruses. Then sites like Google burying those historical research papers was the icing on the cake.
Yes, they ignored the fact that there was a lab there. Those who pointed it out (not as PROOF, but as “hey, doesn’t common-sense indicate a connection here?”)
That is not "common sense", that is a logical fallacy, along the lines of "wet roads cause rain". And once again, show me any scientific authority figure who said that the lab-leak hypothesis was IMPOSSIBLE. None did, only that they believed that the wet-market hypothesis was more plausible, and for good reason. You seem disappointed that there were any alternative hypotheses at all.
I mean even basic understanding of viral sizes against pore sizes showed “the science” to be utter bullshit.
Oh fuck you. This has been explained to you about a billion times. The size of an individual virus particle is MEANINGLESS in a real-world context because individual viruses never appear alone. They are always trapped in some type of matrix, in this case, a matrix of droplets from one's breath. The mask only has to be able to stop the droplets, which they can do (to varying degrees), not the size of the individual virus itself.
It is EXACTLY THE SAME with the HIV virus and the pore sizes of condoms. The size of an individual HIV virus is smaller than the pore size of a typical condom, yet no one in their right mind would claim that condoms are "totally worthless" against stopping the transmission of HIV.
"logical fallacy, along the lines of “wet roads cause rain”
Jeff, you have a sarcasmic-level understanding of logic.
Which logical fallacy would that be?
I mean, it’s definitely not Appeal to Authority.
correlation =/= causation
That there is a virus lab in Wuhan does not PROVE that the virus escaped from the Wuhan virus lab.
That there is a virus lab in Wuhan does not PROVE that the virus escaped from the Wuhan virus lab.
That the first COVID was traced to a wet market does not PROVE the virus came from a wet market.
Jeff, how long do you think it took the “scientists working in good faith” to notice that that the virus was likely engineered and was missing some aspects that would point to a zoonotic, animal to people transfer? 3 years?
Seriously, I don’t know what to say.
It wasn't even the mask work, they don't work, yes they work.
It was then throwing out 100 years if research including even studies post Spanish Flu then pushing the lies over and over. Especially with make it at home cloth masks. And Jeff was at the forefront of this "science" bordering on Lysenkoism.
It wasn't science. It was false science to push political behavior changes. And Jeff is at the front of that abuse. Still defending it even today. He is a statist fuck.
I will absolutely agree that there were some people who took the push to wear masks too far. But at the end of the day, wearing a mask, even improperly, was, all else equal, most of the time, better than doing nothing at all.
Haha, even this is dumb and wrong. Keeping exhaled breath in your face isn’t better than nothing.
But keep going Lying Jeffy, you’re doing great!
"But at the end of the day, wearing a mask, even improperly, was, all else equal, most of the time, better than doing nothing at all."
The authorities did not agree with this at the start of covid. They urged people to NOT wear masks, unless sick, because of complacency risks due to improper use.
Were the authorities right or wrong?
And no, this isn't a gotcha game.
And no, this isn’t a gotcha game.
Bullshit. You don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Of course this is a gotcha game. If I say "yes they were wrong" then you will throw it in my face as an apparent contradiction. If I say "no they weren't wrong" then you will condemn me for trusting experts when they later changed their tune and advocated masks.
And the reason why I know this is a gotcha game is because you are misstating the reason why the experts - Fauci in particular - changed his tune on masks. It was NOT due to "complacency risk". It was due to a possible risk of a shortage of masks with everyone running out to buy masks when the first responders were the ones who really needed them.
So fuck off. I do not feel compelled to answer your bullshit question. If you want to restate your question, with the proper rationalization, with *citations* to *prove* your claims (because I do not trust you), then maybe I will reconsider.
Facts changed!
Was noting the co-location of the wuhan lab with the virus' origin in wuhan an application of Occam's Razor, or "circumstantial bullshit?"
"The guy locked in the room with the raped strangled woman, with blood on his hands and dick, in all likelihood raped and strangled the woman"
Everyone: "Ya, that's Occam's razor, no shit"
Jeffy: "Circumstantial bullshit!"
Back in early 2020, the claim that the virus escaped from the lab, based on the information known at the time, was based entirely on circumstantial speculation.
The "wet market" claim was based on the same supposition, and it was pretty obvious early on that it was meant as a misdirection from Wuhan Lab fuckery that was being conducted in cooperation with Fauci's EcoHealth Alliance front group, because the press, the CDC, the WHO, and the medical industrial complex went in to full-on suppression mode to try and discredit the theory.
Shit, Jerryskids was the first commenter here to point out, within about two weeks of the pandemic formally being recognized, the rather notable coincidence that there was a virology institute with a reputation for shitty safety practices right at ground zero for where COVID took off.
Just because you remained ignorant to facts the rest of us knew, because they contradicted the narrative you had accepted, doesn’t make those facts bullshit, it makes you a leftist retard.
Jeff loves his intentional ignorance to promote state narratives. And he and sarc both love still calling those that didn't greedily lap up false narratives as conspiracy theorists even now.
It is their partisan nature.
Their issue isn't an attack on knowledge or understanding, its that they lost their "appeal to authority/experts" card after playing it so much when the world has the cheat code of the internet to see when the experts are fully lying.
They actually also have the ability to claw back some power, but the only method to do so is sitting down with those that disagree, and changing minds through rational debate and showing your work.
But they dont want that, and never wanted that. Those annoying poors with their new fangled internet and access to information are too uppity, and its really hard to tell them "sit down, shut up, and agree that the sky is orange and water is dry or else something bad will happen" when a quick google search (as well as their lying eyes) disproves everything they say.
They want their nobility/aristocracy/clergy status and not to be questioned by the filthy masses.
sitting down with those that disagree, and changing minds through rational debate and showing your work.
lol
What would convince you, for example, that the 2020 election was not stolen?
I dont personally think it was
Okay, good for you. So what do you think would convince the 50+% of Republicans who do think the election was stolen?
Who cares? People are allowed to have opinions.
What would convince you, for example, that the 2020 election was not stolen?
I dont personally think it was
So what do you think would convince the 50+% of Republicans who do think the election was stolen?
This could be in a textbook on logic as an illustration of moving the goalposts. And to top if off you pulled 50+% straight out of your ass. You could not be any more transparent, dipshit.
It's ok for jeff, sarc, and plug to pull shit out of their asses. They argue in good faith.
They have good intentions.
Sure we have seen the same issues repeated since 2020 with 4 elections overturned due to the same type of fraud, but trust government and their expertise.
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
This is you being an asshole. As you admitted yesterday, you freely and openly treat me like dogshit so you will never respond to me in good faith.
It's not "moving the goalposts", it's asking a completely different question. I even acknowledged his response and moved on to a different question. A person of good faith would see that, but you choose it as a false basis to launch an attack on me.
And here is a recent poll:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/03/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-think-2020-election-illegitimate/index.html
CNN Poll: Percentage of Republicans who think Biden’s 2020 win was illegitimate ticks back up near 70%
Oh, but the poll didn't say "stolen", it said "illegitimate!" The fundamental point remains, however, lots and lots of Republicans think that the election in 2020 was worse than it really was. A person of good faith would recognize that, but you will use that to launch a baseless attack.
As you admitted yesterday, you freely and openly treat me like dogshit so you will never respond to me in good faith.
You lying sack of crap, everyone is free to read what I actually wrote. That how I treat you is based on the quality of your comments.
As for good faith, you clearly can't grasp the concept. "50+% of Republicans who do think the election was stolen" does not include people who "merely suspect it was not legitimate". That second category includes myself and I have never once claimed the election was stolen. Did you even read your own fucking link?
That how I treat you is based on the quality of your comments.
Oh, so you call me a Marxist because I have expressed support for Marxism? No, it's because you're an asshole who will never respond to me in good faith.
I am honoring the name you have chosen for yourself:
Chem = drugs
Jeff = I assume your name is Jeff
Radical = Marxist
Individualist = sophist
Does radical always equal Marxist? No, but you utilize tactics from Rules for Radicals which is a Marxist training manual.
Does individualist always mean sophist? No, but it does the based on your posting history.
Does chem mean drugs? You have never commented otherwise.
Does Jeff really mean Jeff? I don't know or care.
I know you know the handle I originally chose, because you have alluded to it previously. Chuckles the Snarky Piggy is a riff on a hilarious character from the cartoon show Dave the Barbarian which my kids used to watch on the Disney Channel. I definitely rise to the level of snark over silly. Muahahaha!
Okay, I get it now. You are one of those people who is a completely self-absorbed narcissistic asshole, who makes assumptions about people and in your mind, those assumptions become set in permanent concrete to the extent that they become absolute objective reality. It then becomes, to you, the obligation of everyone else to disprove those assumptions and to prove to you that they are not the people that you have assumed them to be. But because it is impossible to prove a negative, they inevitably fail and your assumptions remain reality (in your head).
In other words: you're a fucking bigot.
“Okay, I get it now. You are one of those people who is a completely self-absorbed narcissistic asshole,”
Oh boy, Lying Jeffy is deep in his projection.
Oh, but the poll didn’t say “stolen”, it said “illegitimate!” The fundamental point remains, however, lots and lots of Republicans think that the election in 2020 was worse than it really was. A person of good faith would recognize that, but you will use that to launch a baseless attack.
This part is so fucking hilarious it deserves its own response.
Not only is it a vain attempt to preemptively dispute a reasonable response, it is categorically false. "Worse than it really was" is a completely subjective statement. You can't use it to defend the fact that illegitimate does not equal stolen, or the fact that 30% merely consider it a possibility.
It is without question that numerous jurisdictions did not follow their own voting requirements, justifying the changes because of emergency orders. That alone qualifies categorization as illegitimate.
illegitimate does not equal stolen
You are right. Illegitimate does not equal stolen. When I posted that 50+% figure above, I should have put 'illegitimate' instead of 'stolen'. I was wrong.
Now, maybe you might want to admit that you were wrong to accuse me of 'moving the goalposts' when I wasn't.
It is without question that numerous jurisdictions did not follow their own voting requirements, justifying the changes because of emergency orders. That alone qualifies categorization as illegitimate.
But the emergency orders were, except for one exception which I can think of, pursuant to the voting rules of those states. If you want to argue that the states should not have issued emergency orders, then that's fine. But making a different policy choice than you would have preferred, consistent with their own rules, doesn't necessarily make the result 'illegitimate'.
“You are right. Illegitimate does not equal stolen. When I posted that 50+% figure above, I should have put ‘illegitimate’ instead of ‘stolen’. I was wrong.”
Except you keep doing this.
Your mea culpa doesn't ring true, since you will likely go back to doing the same shit tomorrow.
Now, maybe you might want to admit that you were wrong to accuse me of ‘moving the goalposts’ when I wasn’t.
Let us analyze that statement based on what you already admitted:
It’s not “moving the goalposts”, it’s asking a completely different question. I even acknowledged his response and moved on to a different question.
You moved on? You asked the exact same question about a group instead of an individual. That meets all the criteria for moving the goalposts. You didn't get the answer you expected (an argument that it was stolen) so you shifted your point to try to prove in general what you failed to prove specifically.
Arguing in good faith would have been to stop when you got agreement, not to shift to "you might not think so, but most Republicans do." I then demonstrated that your point failed in the specific and the general. You then falsely accused me of a fallacy and tried that preemptive defense bullshit. And now you want to me admit I was wrong while still defending your stupid original argument, to which I also agreed. This statement:
But the emergency orders were, except for one exception which I can think of, pursuant to the voting rules of those states
Is a gross misstatement. It is well documented that multiple states switched to vote by mail without proper review, mailed ballots that were not requested, and accepted late ballots in violation of their laws.
What you do is not honest discourse.
You didn’t get the answer you expected (an argument that it was stolen)
But that is not what I was expecting. That is what you ASSUMED I was expecting. I was expecting, as the question asked, evidence that would convince him that the election wasn't stolen. When he didn't provide that - because as he claimed, he didn't think the election was stolen - then I asked a different question, not what would convince HIM, but what would convince OTHERS that the election wasn't stolen.
The question was never, "Was the election stolen? Yes or no?" I am not interested in that question because in my mind, it is not even a debatable proposition. The election wasn't stolen, period. The question was always, "What is convincing evidence in favor of the proposition that the election wasn't stolen?"
Arguing in good faith would have been to stop when you got agreement
We never got to any agreement about the evidence necessary to be convincing.
So you were wrong in what my original question was, so you have no basis to claim that I was 'moving the goalposts', because you had no understanding of where the goalposts were in the first place.
Your mea culpa doesn’t ring true, since you will likely go back to doing the same shit tomorrow.
copout.
Probably the same that it will take to convince the 2/3 of Dems (actually, closer to 3/4) who still think 2016 was stolen.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2022/democrats_still_believe_russia_changed_2016_election
OMG! You mean, election denialism isn't confined to just Republican idiots? You mean, there are also Democratic idiots who are election deniers? You are absolutely right!
The best you could do, based on examination of the facts, is to show that the 2020 election was so plagued with irregularities and bad or even illegal procedures, that the result cannot be trusted, whether or not there was a covert effort at widespread cheating.
^This. It is not a difficult argument to defend. Courts allowed mail in voting and extended deadlines despite legislation specifically forbidding it. That alone taints the results.
I understand there is no incontrovertible evidence of fraud and accept the results based on that. But the electoral college results were determined by less than 200,000 votes among a handful of swing states. It absolutely could have happened.
But then add in the time story on the conspiracy to fortify the election where they flat out admit to the motivation....
Nichols is the epitome of today’s center-right–an elitist hack and a priest for the cult of credentialism, whose entire worldview is based off of never questioning authority, at any time, ever. Anything an “expert” promoted by the mainstream media says is always correct, and people are stupid if they disagree with it.
Here’s a great example of just how fucking weak and subservient the center-right is:
It’s not just hobbling the ability of citizens to make informed decisions, it’s breaking down the bonds of trust that democracies rest on. None of us are willing to listen to anybody else about anything. And that’s not just an attack on knowledge, that’s basically an attack on the division of labor, in a way.
The center-right, being absolutely allergic to actually standing up to the left on anything outside of tax cuts and foreign wars, finds the current state of things to be terrifying because they really have no principles of their own that they’d be willing to risk their own necks over. Everything is done in the service of maintaining the status quo, even if it means allowing their kids to get their genitals cut off in order to satiate the left from calling them names.
What Nichols and the center-right continually miss, because like the left they are extreme materialists, is that the “bonds of trust” are reliant on a common civic and cultural consensus, which the left has dedicated itself to obliterating the last 60-plus years. Not on the respective tax rate or what kind of shit you can buy at Walmart. Which is why they’ve given in to the left over and over and over again in that time frame, thinking that snarky words about “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” are a substitute for actual political involvement, and get so terrified at the thought of the right actually becoming a resistant political force instead of a jobber, calling such resistance "abnormal."
the “bonds of trust” are reliant on a common civic and cultural consensus, which the left has dedicated itself to obliterating the last 60-plus years
This right here is why I still come back to Reason and read the comments. There are commenters who actually understand the reality of the social contract. There can be no liberty when the rules are arbitrary. When a government can't protect your property or life from being taken, whether by actual looters or by popularly elected representatives in the name of equity, then the only recourse is to demand the dissolution of that government.
It's not just "civic and cultural consensus" I find that a lot of the time I don't even have a consensus on base reality with a lot of people. Like, we look at the world and come to completely different conclusions about things.
It makes it damned hard to even communicate, let alone cooperate.
The increasing inability to find consensus on reality is rooted in the debasement of the language. Orwell understood it and wrote an elegant essay about it in addition to demonstrating the inevitable conclusion if it continues in his fiction. It is straight out of the Marxist playbook.
The attempt to change the definition of woman is probably the most obvious, but I would point to the successful change of the definition of vaccine as the most insidious. It happened while everyone was watching, without fanfare and in the name of science.
lol
RRWP is advocating for forced cultural consensus
Yes, I realize how much your side abhors high-trust societies where kids aren't convinced to cut their genitals off.
To prove her targeting of Trump is not political, James now going after company that posted his reduced bond.
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/ny-ag-james-raises-concerns-over-firm-backing-trumps-175-million-bond
And by "going after", Jesse here means "checking to make sure the bond is valid". Sheesh. Even the most mundane of due diligence is treated as "political targeting" by you people. That is one reason why your claims of "political persecution" ring so hollow. You treat EVERYTHING as "political persecution" if it affects Trump or your team in any way shape or form, even very legitimate actions like checking to see that the bond is legit.
What right does a prosecutor have to question the validity of a bond accepted by the court? This is the very definition of political persecution you mendacious twat.
This is not normal procedure.
Perhaps windy city attorney will lend us his expertise.
Are you sure he is a lawyer?
/ for consistency.
The same windycityattorney who thought bribery was an official act?
James has no standing. The surety is regulated by the Feds. The state has no right to the bond until and unless a) Trump loses his appeal, and b) Trump defaults on payment. She is already known to be preparing to seize his assets, which could potentially destroy their value. It is 100% political persecution.
"You treat EVERYTHING as “political persecution” if it affects Trump"
Not a huge trump supporter here, but he has obviously been treated wildly unfairly since 2016, so yes, I think persecution is a fair word for what has been happening.
Even if Trump is being 'persecuted' in some ways, he is not being 'persecuted' in ALL ways. Maybe step back for a moment and try to discern the difference between how Trump is being treated fairly, and how Trump is being treated unfairly. It isn't ALL 'unfair'.
Why should anyone be persecuted in any way? Of the myriad ways they have tried to get trump; I'm still not sure which ones I'm supposed to see as legit.
John Doe is facing allegations A thru Z.
A thru Y turn out to have been fabrications, novel interpretations of the law, other people have gotten away with worse, etc.
But maybe Z is legit!
Don't you think the A thru Y charges probably hurt their case for Z and would tend to make people doubt it, maybe even start to take his side? Even people who weren't fans of John Doe to begin with?
No, it proves all those people were secretly racist xenophobic cultist. Duh!
Why should anyone be persecuted in any way?
Where did I even suggest that anyone *should* be persecuted? That is you stuffing words into my mouth. My point is, even if a person is being persecuted in *some* ways, someone who is rational and not just a knee-jerk defender of that person, would be willing to recognize when that person is NOT being 'persecuted' but is instead being legitimately and fairly treated.
John Doe is facing allegations A thru Z.
A thru Y turn out to have been fabrications, novel interpretations of the law, other people have gotten away with worse, etc.
But maybe Z is legit!
Umm, 'people have gotten away with worse' has never been a valid legal defense. You don't get to escape paying your speeding ticket just because there are other speeders out there who go faster and aren't caught.
And it is interesting that you frame it in this way: A-Y is illegitimate persecution but Z is "maybe" legit. Instead, perhaps it is more like:
A and B are perhaps dodgy.
But C-Z are not.
Don’t you think the A thru Y charges probably hurt their case for Z and would tend to make people doubt it, maybe even start to take his side? Even people who weren’t fans of John Doe to begin with?
People who are emotionally connected to John Doe might, sure. People who are rational thinkers, no.
It depends. Was I speeding with an unmasked bear in my trunk?
I hear those fines are doubled in a construction zone.
Look at Fascist Jeffy go!
The irony is jeff treats all state abuse against Trump as valid. As stated above, because he is a fucking fascist.
The court accepted it.
James is a partisan hack.
Fuck her.
At this point, they should just try and make it illegal for Trump to hold anything larger than a fiver.
They could just criminalize Being Donald Trump. There's no way he'd wiggle out of that one!
He could (in a Florida court) change his legal name to 'none of the above', and be guaranteed a win.
He could "transition" and be issued a new birth certificate. That way they would be committing the atrocity of Deadnaming if they accused him of being Donald Trump.
Ah, but if they just have a decent statute of limitations, he'd still be guilty of having been Donald Trump. And it's not like they haven't already fucked around with statute of limitations just to fuck with him.
In an effort to help Joe, Mexico has been actually clearing the border the last few weeks under a secret agreement.
Todd Bensman
@BensmanTodd
This is what the mysterious Biden-López Obrador diplomatic deal looks like on the ground in Juarez. They’re doing a lot immigrant chasing and deporting to the Deep South. I broke the story of this arrangement back in January. Still happening but so are crossings. Confused yet?
VIDEO
https://twitter.com/BensmanTodd/status/1775519695262933021
They are flying them over the border so the media can't see it.
2 choices:
A. Keep Russia out of China's orbit.
B. Blame Russia for 2016 because we can't handle admitting Hillary lost a winnable race because she is an arrogant fuckup and we fucked up by nominating the one Democrat with high enough negatives for Trump to beat.
https://x.com/ElbridgeColby/status/1776236682171285663
"“We’ve really seen the [People’s Republic of China] start to help to rebuild Russia’s defense industrial base, essentially backfilling the trade from European partners” that lapsed when Russia invaded, the official said."
Amaxing how in four years, we went from "the 1980's called and they want their foreign policy back".
I will respond to the pro palistienian people by boycotting all of the useful goods and services that have come out of palistine
I mean, it's brave and stunning of you to give up your unguided rocket habit like that.
And where else are you going to find a purer strain of omnicidal marxists?
Minneapolis?
Ooh. You might have me there.
So many things that happened not very long ago no longer feel real when you look at photos of them
Reminds me of the scene where the villagers offered the virgin to King Kong.
I've been informed on Facebook there is no inflation - right wing media lies about inflation are giving cover for greedy capitalists to raise prices for no reason other than their greed.
Raising prices is a novel concept and nobody ever thought of it before. That's the only explanation for why prices are rising now in a way that they've never risen since the early 80s.
Activists have added warnings that these products are "contaminated with apartheid & Zionism."
That could backfire and increase sales.
"...X/Twitter..."
STOP! CUT IT OUT! QUIT IT! WE GOT IT MONTHS AGO!
It's starting to give me a Pavlovian cringe response. I hear "X, formerly known as Twitter" so many times per day now
I always enjoy when they quote a post then copy paste the same quote.
Staff meeting, host passes out an outline of the meeting and then READS IT TO THE AUDIENCE, as if the audience is incapable of reading.
STOP!
We don't have that problem over at Mastodon... (do we? Is Mastodon still a thing? ENB? anyone?)
You should ask in the comments of next week’s hooker article.
Disappointing that this bill passed.
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/me/maine/politics/2024/04/03/maine-bill-to-crack-down-on-paramilitary-training-passes-house-by-narrow-margin
She is exactly right here.
If they would just voluntarily do the right thing, the government wouldn’t have to force them.
The bill prohibits someone from “intentionally or knowingly” teaching someone about firearms or bombs if the training is intended to be used to commit “civil disorder.”
Jeffy speaks out against a bill that so obviously violates any and every reading of the both the first and second amendment so as to offend all sensibility?
How magnanimous of you, you lefty piece of shit. Make sure you bookmark this so you can prove that you are a true Libertarian when I call you out as a full on Marxist like I did just yesterday.
https://reason.com/2024/04/04/licenses-and-dead-bodies/?comments=true#comment-10509687
You wouldn't know what a Marxist was if one bit you in the ass.
Are you offering? I am not really interested, but at least I could definitively say that I knew one that bit me in the ass. I only have some suspicions about an ex-girlfriend.
Why the fuck did you even quote the part about Nazis except to virtue signal that you are accepting of foul viewpoints? This bill is exactly the kind of legislation the British were passing that brought on the American Revolution. It violates every principle espoused in the Declaration if Independence.
It was a Republican who said it. And since you all seem to think that I just mindlessly hate Republicans, here is a case where a Republican is saying and doing things that are IMO correct and praiseworthy.
You just can't grasp the thread. Must be those fat fingers.
And so you double down on the virtue signal.
It also prohibits gathering with others to be trained in techniques to cause civil disorder, which is defined as “any public disturbance involving an act of violence by a group … that causes an immediate danger of injury to another person or damage to the property of another person.”
Does this mean they’ll have to close the police academy?
Is this the end of paintball?
No more Civil War reenactments?
Today's Roundup paints another bleak picture of humans and society. Do you think Liz has joined the Giant Meteor party?
This is a misconception.
Romance of the Rails has a section on light rail which says, my possibly stale paraphrasing, that light rail, including the subways, cost roughly 10% of a semi-skilled worker's daily pay. They walked to work, several miles each way. The light rail users were middle class clerks who could afford the fare.
Yeah, light rail’s always been a transportation service to ensure the upper middle class didn’t actually have to live in the urban cores. The initial Tramway development in Denver, for example, was set up to allow the swells to move out of the post-Silver Era Capitol Hill developments to neighborhoods in Park Hill and Washington Park, facilitated largely by Robert Speer, who had buddies in the real estate business who benefitted from their development.
Back when all the current light rail projects were being built, they really fucked up by putting it along I-225 from Montbello, instead of just making Colfax a public transportation-exclusive corridor reserved for buses and light rail. Driving on that road has been a pain in the ass for a long time, and very few people that live along that area use cars, anyway, because it’s easier to just catch the 15 bus to wherever you’re looking to go.
https://x.com/zakisolja/status/1776216113577136617
Watch Biden pinch the nipple of 8-year-old Maria Piacesi. Watch this innocent kid's reaction in the video. Then read what she said about it.
The left will call this a live but the video does not lie.
It’s weird to see these same people call Trump all sorts of names, but they are the most perverted.
Watch Biden pinch the nipple of 8-year-old Maria Piacesi.
Do I have to? Or can I just rely on the mountain of documented, "I can neither confirm nor deny..."-affirmed evidence of stripper fucking, sister fucking, hooker fucking, other family member fucking that goes on throughout the family and take your word for it?
In other news, Biden Claus is trying to forgive the student loan deadbeats again. Is it an election year or something?
"we're not obligated to tolerate vast amounts of public disorder and threat every time we want to use the city services"
Consider THIS your friendly reminder that libertarians have NO sympathy for New Yorkers. No one is forcing you to live in the highest population density urban cluster in America or "nonconsensually" contribute to "public services." And, for the record, NONE of the "solutions" you mentioned or hinted at would actually "solve" any of problems you kind of glossed over. Even in the wide-open western prairies it was damned difficult to resolve issues of water rights for upstream and downstream farmers; and grazing rights between the sheep farmers and cattlemen. Don't even think about trying to settle externalities in the dying dinosaur of New York City!
RE "migrants" and jobs.
Isn't the cool new thing working from home?
https://x.com/RealEJAntoni/status/1776237956434383076
Americans have been completely left behind in this economy: foreign-born employment is not only several million above its pre-pandemic level but is even above its pre-pandemic trend, while native-born Americans have made no progress in 4 years - in fact, they've gone backwards:
Build back better.
https://x.com/amuse/status/1776226639078195250
LAWFARE: Trump’s co-defendant Harrison Floyd’s lawyer was illegally recorded by Big Fani Willis, but perhaps more troubling is the fact she shared the illegal recording with reporters in an effort to try her case in the court of public opinion. She should be disqualified.
Surprised Jeff hasn't comment on how this is normal procedure.
It's always (D)ifferent when they run the kangaroo court.
"This is mad invention at its finest—to benefit all humanity if you win, and if you fail, to pay all the price yourself."
No it's not, this is retarded. When Barry Marshall hypothesized about h. pylori causing ulcers, drank a culture of it, proved is previously unknown hypothesis correct, and then killed the h. pylori with antibiotics thereby curing himself; *that* was mad invention/science.
What Brian Johnson is doing is like reading about what Barry Marshall doing it, drinking a culture of h. pylori, killing it with antibiotics, and then declaring an epic personal victory over h. pylori/ulcers.
Little-to-none of what Johnson is doing is novel and most of it is just rather literally or non-satirically turning things up to 11 and pretending its louder even if it's been proven that can hear a difference once the volume gets above 3. It's hokum and snake oil that's little different from what Dr. Oz, Tom Brady, Gwyneth Paltrow, or a half-dozen other 'celebrities' uses/espouses.
The same sort of media-science-celebrity-feedback telephone game B.S. that had people rejecting vaccines, even ones that didn't contain thimerosal, because of autism and drinking 12, 12 oz. glasses of water for their health because some researcher somewhere noted that the average person consumed 64 oz. of water in their diet from all sources.
A bill for $80 billion that did absolutely nothing but got your papers ruffled through in an attempt to STEAL even more through an audit.
Yep; Sounds like the kind of ‘deal’ one makes with criminals. If ‘government’ didn’t have that magical heaven-sent halo over it’s name more people could accept if for what it has actually become.
Wow. Full court press on the right wing media matters act blue today. Holy shit. I shoulda just stayed on zerohedge.
Is the IRS "targeting" low income earners, or are there simply more tax cheaters among that group? Think about the percentages. You think 90% of the population cheats on taxes LESS than the 10% of the population?
If a small business pays cash to their workers, they're cheating on their taxes. How many such businesses exist? How many migrants get paid in cash?
If the IRS is going after everyone for cheating, then they're being consistent. The left thought "It's ok for the IRS to go after the very rich because we don't like them." That's not how it should work.
Since D.C. isn't really a US government anymore but a [Na]tional So[zi]alist empire are citizens who won't pay the Nazi-Empire really cheating or just avoiding getting robbed by Nazi-Gangsters?
The importance of having a static definition of principles of a nation is far more important than most want to give it credit for.