What if America Runs Out of Bombs?
The U.S. is dispensing munitions to Ukraine and Israel faster than they can be replaced.

Everyone knows the United States has the most powerful military in the world. No one else comes close to Washington's ability to hunt down its enemies and quickly drop bombs on them from halfway across the world.
But what if America runs out of bombs?
The Ukrainian city of Avdiivka is a cautionary tale. On February 17, the city fell to a Russian assault because the defenders ran low on ammunition. Although Ukrainian authorities claimed they were overseeing an orderly withdrawal, the fighters faced a harrowing ordeal. One group of soldiers fled in a beat-up car, which limped to safety after a Russian rocket blew out a tire, French war correspondent Guillaume Ptak reported. Troops filmed themselves passing by an iconic landmark, a sign that reads "Avdiivka is Ukraine," with Russian bombs falling around them.
U.S. foreign policy debates often focus on questions of money and political willpower, whether the American taxpayer has the patience to keep supporting overseas adventures. Less often than they should, those debates focus on the moral and ethical limits on American engagement overseas. The ongoing wars in Ukraine and the Middle East, however, have strained the physical limits of American power. The factories simply can't make enough ammunition to keep up with all of Washington's commitments, no matter how much money is thrown at them.
Previous Pentagon planners had not anticipated "the sort of lengthy, heavy fighting we've seen in Ukraine," and the rate of fire has "well outstripped any sort of planning assumptions that [the U.S. Department of Defense] thought it would need for its own battles," Josh Paul, a former U.S. State Department official who oversaw weapons exports, tells Reason.
The 155 mm artillery shell, a basic weapon of modern warfare, symbolizes this problem. The United States produced 28,000 shells in October 2023, a rate that comes out to 336,000 shells per year. In November 2023, different European officials gave different estimates of Europe's combined production capacity, between 400,000 and 700,000 shells per year. Both regions have been increasing their production.
Yet the war in Ukraine is burning through 155 mm shells faster than everyone is making them. The United States sent more than 2 million rounds in a year and a half. The stockpiles that the United States may need to fight its own future wars are running dry. It would take about five years to replenish American 155 mm stockpiles to pre-2022 levels, according to a report published by the nonprofit Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in January 2023. Other weapons, such as Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and Javelin anti-tank rockets, would take even longer to restock.
That was before the latest war in Gaza, which has eaten up gargantuan amounts of ammunition. The Biden administration, which has released specific lists of weapons being sent to Ukraine, has remained tight-lipped about the specifics of its munitions support for Israel. A list leaked to Bloomberg News shows, though, that the United States sent 57,000 artillery shells and hundreds of guided missiles to Israel in the first month of the war.
These proxy wars should be a wake-up call. Americans have gotten used to fighting in indefinite conflicts, "forever wars," sustained by financial borrowing and bipartisan consensus. Now the conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East are showing that all the money and political willpower in the world cannot overcome physical constraints. Even if the money doesn't run out, the bombs do.
"We are at a point with our munitions stockpile where everything regarding American foreign policy is an issue of 'can' and not 'should,'" says Dan Caldwell, an Iraq War veteran and public policy adviser for Defense Priorities who has been writing about munitions shortages for years. "This is not a reality that can be rapidly overcome by spending tens of billions of dollars on the defense industrial base."
Ukrainian Arms Shortages
Ukraine has faced arms shortages since the Russian invasion in February 2022. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned reporters in November 2023 that "warehouses are empty" across Europe, and he mentioned the problem in his end-of-year speech the following month.
A few weeks later, Ukrainian Minister of Defense Rustem Umerov said during a video conference with foreign leaders the nation was facing a "very real and pressing" problem with ammunition. Around the same time, Ukrainian artillerymen gave a CNN news crew a tour of their dugout bunker near the front lines. The troops pointed to nearly empty shelves and claimed they were forced to fire smokescreen rounds in lieu of explosive shells.
Though the Ukrainians could have been playing up the shortages for dramatic effect, the numbers are harder to fudge. Ukraine went from firing 4,000 to 7,000 artillery shells per day in late 2023, according to European estimates cited by the Associated Press, to 2,000 rounds per day in January 2024, according to a letter from Umerov to his European counterparts.
Chet, an American volunteer fighting for the Ukrainian forces in Avdiivka, spoke about the issue on condition that his real name not be revealed. "Russia fires significantly more artillery, and this is felt on all areas of the front," he said a few weeks before Avdiivka's fall. Chet claimed that Russian forces were better able to launch attacks because of the artillery imbalance. Ukraine's shortages, Chet warns, "are continuing to get worse." After the fall of Avdiivka, he confirmed that ammunition shortages were a major reason for the Ukrainian retreat, as well as the Russian attackers' ample air support.
Officials have often framed the problem as a lack of political willpower for Ukraine's backers to spend money on the war. American funding for Ukraine ran dry at the end of 2023, and Congress spent months debating whether to send more. U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs Celeste Wallander told reporters in January 2024 that Ukrainian "units do not have the stocks and stores of ammunition that they require" and the Pentagon wants Congress "to move forward on a decision to pass the supplemental" aid package. When Avdiivka fell, the White House again blamed "congressional inaction" for the ammunition shortages.
Most of the money in the supplemental aid package, however, "is going to go into munitions and arms contracts that will take years to fulfill," according to Caldwell.
Huge military budget numbers often feel divorced from reality. Especially with a Federal Reserve willing to constantly print more money, Americans have little frame of reference for understanding the difference between $10 billion and $20 billion, between $500 billion and $750 billion. But every dollar represents a demand on physical resources, some of which are more limited than others.
The military-industrial complex is not as competitive as it could be. While the government used to buy from smaller, more specialized firms, arms manufacturing in the United States is today dominated by larger conglomerates: Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, RTX (formerly known as Raytheon), Boeing, and General Dynamics.
"These massive defense companies…make their money in great part from research and development, and from new systems. If you look at Lockheed that produces everything from artillery ammunition to F-35 [fighter jets], where are they making their money? It's on the F-35s," explains Paul, the former State Department official. "You used to have much smaller companies, and all they would make was artillery ammunition. It would have been much easier to ramp up production, because there would have been a much more direct incentive for companies to expand their production."
The most basic type of 155 mm round starts its life as a steel billet in Scranton, Pennsylvania. The billet is placed into a 2,000-degree furnace and shaped by robotic arms into a tube shape. The tube is cooled, heated again, and shaped into a bullet-shaped shell. It is then shipped to Ohio to be stuffed with explosives. Finally, on the front lines, artillerymen screw a fuse onto the nose of the shell and load it into the gun along with firing charges.
That process seems simple enough to scale up. To some extent, it has been. The U.S. Army doubled its production of 155 mm shells over the course of the war in Ukraine, from a rate of 14,000 shells per month in February 2022. Army officials are now aiming to produce 100,000 shells per month by October 2025. Ukraine itself has announced plans to build new ammunition factories on its soil with the help of American companies, although its minister of strategic industries, Oleksandr Kamyshin, said in December 2023 that the production lines would take years to start running.
Competition for Munitions
Precision-guided munitions, anti-aircraft systems, and standoff munitions are a much trickier problem. ("Standoff munitions" are weapons that can be fired at a distance, including cruise missiles and glide bombs.) These weapons often require advanced electronic parts and highly skilled labor, including workers with security clearances.
"The greatest challenge facing the U.S. when it comes to the defense industrial production of more advanced munitions is that the skilled labor pool to produce these munitions is shrinking, and the contracting procedures to produce them are complicated," says Nicholas Heras, senior director for strategy at the New Lines Institute for Strategy and Policy, a Washington-based nonprofit.
Chet, the American volunteer in Ukraine, points to one consequence of running out of advanced munitions. Russia has been able to terrorize Ukrainian cities with cheap Iranian-made Shahed drones, forcing Ukraine to use up its modern, high-quality anti-aircraft ammunition. Older anti-aircraft missiles have sometimes malfunctioned and crashed. In November 2022, a Ukrainian missile accidentally killed two Polish farmers and caused a war scare in Poland. A year later, another errant air defense missile blew up a market in the Ukrainian city of Kupyansk, killing 17 civilians.
Chet claims that both types of incidents—Russian drone penetrations and Ukrainian air defense misfires—have happened more than the Ukrainian government is willing to admit. "Russia is still responsible for the core issue," he emphasizes. "Those defective [surface-to-air] missiles wouldn't have been launched if Russia didn't send stuff we need to shoot down."
Just as each type of weapon has different production needs, different conflicts have different needs, though many overlap. "The weapons Taiwan needs are not the exact same weapons Ukraine needs," says Paul. Taiwan is an island, so it needs more anti-ship weapons. Ukraine is trying to retake lands conquered by Russia, fighting limited naval skirmishes along the coast. Both countries do require Patriot missiles, used to shoot down enemy aircraft.
The competition between Ukraine and Israel for the limited supply of arms is much more direct, since both are fighting artillery-heavy ground wars. The United States stores large amounts of ammunition in the War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel, which, as the name suggests, is meant for use by the United States, Israel, or other allies. By early 2023, a large chunk of Ukraine's artillery ammunition came from the stockpile. But "for political reasons as much as defense-analytical ones, the U.S. has sent those [munitions] back to Israel," says Paul.
The October 2023 attacks on Israel by Hamas killed hundreds of Israelis, often in gruesome ways. Americans felt a sense of urgency to help a friendly country that they no longer felt for the Ukrainian war effort. U.S. President Joe Biden and the Republican opposition, who sharply disagreed on Ukraine, both threw their weight behind Israel.
The growing pro-Israel war fervor led Paul, who strongly supported U.S. aid to Ukraine, to publicly resign from his post. He told The New Yorker that limiting Israel's access to weapons might force Israeli leaders to be more "selective" in their attacks, but the attitude inside the U.S. government was, "Let's give them weapons, it doesn't matter."
Paul's worst fears seem to have been realized. In his words, Israel has unleashed an "insane" quantity of weapons onto Gaza.
Ukrainian forces fire about 240,000 artillery shells per month, across hundreds of miles of front line that includes cities and the countryside. In October and November 2023, the first two months of the war in Gaza, the Israeli army fired 100,000 shells, which comes out to 50,000 per month, into a city that is 25 miles long. Israel, unlike Ukraine, has total air superiority, so it has also been dropping huge numbers of U.S.-made bombs from fighter jets.
By the end of 2023, around 70 percent of the homes in Gaza had been destroyed, a rate comparable to the most battle-torn cities of World War II. Tens of thousands of Palestinians, 1 percent of Gaza's prewar population, have been killed. Israeli spokespeople argue that this level of destruction is Hamas's fault for embedding itself in Palestinian society.
"Israel has its own deep stockpiles that it's free to use as it pleases, but we've also been accelerating deliveries to them to allow them to continue firing at that pace," Paul says.
Unprepared for Future Wars
Meanwhile, the war has expanded across the Middle East, as Iran and its Arab allies demand an end to the siege on Gaza. The Houthi movement, one of two rival governments in Yemen, began threatening Israeli shipping in the Red Sea and attacking ships of multiple nations. The United States and several of its allies sent a naval fleet to Yemen to protect ships passing through the region. The Houthis continued to defy American demands and attack foreign shipping, including non-Israeli ships. On January 12, the U.S. Navy and its partners attacked weapons caches and airports across Yemen. The bulk of the firepower came from American ships, which launched at least 80 Tomahawk missiles.
The U.S. Navy had blown through a year's supply of its missiles in just one night. American factories produce a few dozen Tomahawk missiles per year; the Navy had ordered 70 of them in FY 2022, and only 50 in FY 2023. (The U.S. military is believed to already have several thousand Tomahawk missiles in storage.) Biden signaled his willingness to drag out the conflict for a long time with no concrete endpoint. "Are [the airstrikes] stopping the Houthis? No," he told reporters on January 18. "Are they going to continue? Yes." The airstrikes have indeed continued since then, with the Navy launching another tranche of Tomahawk missiles at Yemen on February 4.
"The more advanced standoff munitions are necessary in theaters where naval warfare is decisive, which is why a protracted and potentially metastasizing conflict in the Red Sea threatens U.S. preparedness to respond in the Indo-Pacific," says Heras of the New Lines Institute.
Mike Black, a former U.S. Air Force maintenance officer known for his acerbic commentary, was more blunt about the profligacy of the anti-Houthi assaults on social media: "It'll take them until 2026 to replenish what was shot here. Hope blowing up some cobbled together radio shack drones and commercial radar sets was worth it." He added later in the thread that "the amount of stuff we would burn through in a dust up with Iran would take years to replace."
The military is not a retailer; it does not benefit from getting rid of its inventory quickly. A war with China would require far more firepower than a limited campaign against "radio shack drones and commercial radar sets" does, which raises questions about whether the current ammunition stockpile can meaningfully deter that nation from adventurism against Taiwan. When CSIS conducted a series of war games simulating a war over Taiwan, it concluded that the United States would have to launch "about 5,000 long-range precision missiles" within three or four weeks of combat.
The U.S. would use different types of missiles for striking different types of targets, including enemy ships and airfields, but bottlenecks can affect all of them at once. "A critical part of this is not just the finished weapon that's relevant. It's also the sub-components, for instance, turbofans for missiles," said Elbridge Colby, author of the Trump administration's National Defense Strategy, in a December 2023 interview with C-SPAN. A shortage of one type of turbofan engine could hold up the production of several different missile types.
The U.S. Navy is not the only relevant actor. Japan and South Korea would be key U.S. allies in any Pacific confrontation. Both countries have indirectly sent some of their own munitions to support the war in Ukraine. Although South Korean law bans supplying weapons to conflict zones, South Korea agreed in 2023 to "loan" the United States half a million 155 mm shells. Japan has similarly agreed to send Patriot missiles to the United States, in order to replenish U.S. stocks sent to Ukraine.
The Taiwanese military itself, of course, would be Taiwan's first line of defense. But there is a $19.17 billion backlog in American weapons that Taiwan has ordered and not yet received, according to a 2023 study by the Cato Institute. Perhaps because the possibility of a conflict seems so remote, Taiwan has had to wait longer than other U.S. customers for weapons deliveries, the authors found.
Competition for arms is piling up among U.S. allies. The wars in Ukraine and the Middle East have created what Paul calls a "bow wave" of demand, as nations near the conflict zones (like Poland) begin building up their own militaries. There is competition not only among the nations at war for American weapons, but also among the nations preparing for war.
Problems Money Can't Fix
Just as Paul would rather the U.S. aid Ukraine than Israel, Colby has been calling for the United States to ditch some of its commitments to focus on countering China. He also differs from Paul in believing that Israel is a more worthy recipient of American weapons than Ukraine is.
But even if they would set their priorities differently, the two former officials are making the same underlying point: The United States has made heavier military commitments than its factories can bear.
There is a "fundamental discordance between where we are and where we would like to be," Colby said during a debate hosted by the conservative Hoover Institution last year. "And the thing is, you can't solve that with defense spending."
That is not the impression that American leaders have given. Biden, in an October 2023 interview with 60 Minutes, brushed off a question about whether the U.S. can support Ukraine and Israel at the same time. "We're the United States of America for God's sake, the most powerful nation not in the world, in the history of the world," the president said.
Caldwell, the public policy adviser, says politicians are "lying to us about these constraints" and pretending that "the only thing holding back American foreign policy is a lack of willpower." He calls it "mathematically impossible" for the U.S. to continue supplying different war efforts at the rate it has been, even without new wars on the horizon.
"We have no choice but to deprioritize certain conflicts and avoid getting into new conflicts unless we want a serious military disaster," Caldwell concludes. "Stop pretending we don't have constraints, because you are doing a disservice to the American people, and you are risking our safety and our prosperity."
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Can we not assume that the Russians have the same problem?
We cannot. According to CNN Russia has 3 times the combined output of the US and Europe.
But how many electric cars, windmills, and solar farms are they building?
Pales in comparison to their fleet of food trucks.
CNN (Contains No News) is wrong. Why else would Russia be buying weapons from North Korea?
Both things can be true.
Why wouldn't they? If North Korea wants to offer them at a decent price why not build up your own stores while buying up what's on the market as well? Better to buy them than let them be sold to the Ukraine.
No. The American military thought they’d go lean and get supplies just in time like car manufacturers instead of keeping warehouses full of munitions like artillery shells. As a result factories switched from munitions to making other things.
Russia did not do that, so they’ve still got Cold War production capacity.
If they have the same Cold War Quality Control, there's no problem.
Just in time works when your supplier are within miles of you factory like in Japan where it was invented. Not so much when your suppliers are 1000s of mile away. This is why we have supply chain problems. Maybe we learned some wrong lessons from Desert Storm.
Distance has nothing to do with this. The last few conflicts our military has been involved in were not prolonged wars. No, we conquer quickly then suppress resistance. Combine that with "just in time" and there just isn't a demand for the shells required for a conflict like what's going on in Ukraine. Because of that lack of demand, producers switched to other products. Now production can't keep up.
Of course, Russia has the same problem!
https://smallwarsjournal.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/clip_image001.jpg
With the added issue of quality control:
https://global.espreso.tv/russian-howitzers-barrels-are-bursting-are-only-dprk-shells-to-blame
We certainly can assume they do, and likely more acutely.
But we can build all the electric cars that no one wants to buy - - - - - - - -
Maybe it is time to mandate plug-in electric missiles?
How abut windmill powered missiles. You throw 'em up in the air and they start generating their own power!
For some the replacing is the point.
Exactly. I thought that was the point of these military giveaways. Cleaning out our old inventory.
Nope. It's about propping up the US dollar in international markets. Asshole Politician, let's call him Joe, gives military aid money to generally a shithole third world nation. The aid isn't a box of 100 dollar bills. It's like a debit card that's only accepted by US arms makers. So the aid money buys US weapons. This way Joe makes his buddies in the blowing shit up industry rich while fleecing taxpayers who think we need to help every third world country fight off whatever ideologu they are supposed to fight off this week.
Sure, Joe cleaned out the "old stocks" which seemed to work pretty good for supposed old hardware. But he's not budgeting to fill those stocks back up. Just provide weapons to anyone who is stupid enough to accept US military aid packages.
How about no munitions to any country?
That makes too much sense.
Think of all the good-paying union jobs that could be created in the munitions industry, with requirements for DEI training and on-site daycare.
Pretty sure they ship them to Iowa, not Ohio.
Can't we just buy 155 mm shells from China? They could use the work from what I hear.
We just need to figure a way to kill more people with each bomb.
Maybe switch to 156 mm instead of 155?
I believe that is how the Ukraine War will end. Putin will lose patience and finish off Ukraine with weapons of mass destruction.
maybe we need an AR 156 since we know all AR's are death machines
So use cheaper ways. Couldn't they just poison the water? Seriously, why rely on explosive ballistic rounds? Unless you can make a really big kaboom, i.e. nuclear, there have got to be more efficient ways to kill, maim, disable, or torture people. Or if not more efficient, at least less expensive. How about going door to door and stabbing or garrotting them? Or just setting really big fires?
"Or just setting really big fires?"
Worked just fine for Tokyo.
No profit or kickbacks from this. Fairly certIan the Iowa GOP reps are funded by the Middleton army ammunition plant and that is why they love Ukraine.
It is due for another explosion that levels the plant though.
This is stupid, and amounts to saying that there is no way America could possibly produce enough military equipment to fight WW2.
If America happened to get into an actual war with one of our actual geopolitical foes directly, I can guarantee you you'd see production of ammo and missiles sky rocket by any means necessary.
Not that it would matter, since all of our actual geopolitical foes are nuclear armed nations which makes something like a 155 shell look fire a black cat firecracker. A nation without nuclear arms is understandably not a very big concern for the U.S. beyond their propensity to carry out terror attacks using suicide bombers that, notably, are not deterred by military artillery.
Sure, we might run low because of our proxy wars but there isn't a whole lot of reason (at least at the moment) to assume those proxy wars will escalate into direct warfare between the United States and Russia/China.
The issue comes up in the in between space between 'war starts' and 'production has increased output'.
That's months - a lot can happen in those months, especially if you're starting out low on munitions.
And being low on munitions means you're going to be loathe to spend what you have - so you won't respond to situations early, letting them blossom into full-on war because an aggressor felt your hesitancy.
Since the opening salvo would involve nuclear weapons, there is little reason to assume that ammo or shells will make much difference.
If it's a war where the opening salvo isn't nuclear missiles, than it isn't an existential threat war and therefore you would likely have time to produce what you might need. Keep in mind that individual Americans would be fighting in the streets with their own firearms in the event of a landfall Chinese or Russian force. Americans themselves own rather a lot of ammo, all told.
The only thing it hinders in the short term are arming nations in our proxy wars, and I'm not going to cry a river over that since personally I'd rather we weren't involved in those anyway.
I just think it's kind of rich assuming that America can't ramp up ammo and munitions production in a situation where we actually might run out in a shooting war with Russia or China. That's kind of an absurd statement at face value.
America has already done this in the past. There is little reason to believe we couldn't do it again.
This is a stupid take. The US Army's doctrine has always been use artillery to save infantry lives. Even during the Revolution, the Continental Army surpassed the British Army's use and efficiency of artillery. There's a reason the US Army calls artillery the King of Battle (while the infantry is the queen of battle). Our entire infantry tactics are based on making contact and then calling in artillery to overcome the enemy. This required a surplus of artillery ammunition always ready to bring fire down in overwhelming levels at a moments notice. The low intensity conflicts' have largely run counter to our doctrine, and as such we've allowed our artillery to atrophy. The Army unlike the Navy, actually realizes this and has been trying to address it for some time, but Congress critters like smart bombs and CNN videos of tomahawks hitting the Iraqi communication hubs.
I get why you find my claims absurd: they are absurd.
The reason why they are absurd is because the article wants to pretend that an existential war with Russia or China would result in zero changes to domestic policy or production despite the historical record showing that United States has indeed done this before; and successfully as well.
They talk about artillery shells, then note how easy it is to scale up. They talk about how few tomahawk's we ordered for this year, then note we have an estimate of several thousand (probably inaccurate) already.
Basically the author has a premise of 'America needs to stop giving weapons to oversea's allies' and will twist any production figure to get to that preselected outcome.
I might be sympathetic to that conclusion, but lying about the reasons doesn't make a principled argument.
You should plan for both a nuclear and a non nuclear conflict against near peer adversaries, because there is always the possibility that neither side will want to be the first to launch. Winning a nuclear war is not really possible. Relying on nukes is a throwback to the later 1950s thinking.
NATO actually officially abandoned the idea of tactical nuclear first strike against the Warsaw pact in the 1970s and had largely discarded it unofficially in the 1960s (largely because Germany was not to keen on them being turned into a nuclear waste land to stop the Soviets). This is largely why we invested heavily in weapons systems like the Abrams, A-10, AH-64, Paladin artillery, HMRS, etc.
These weapons systems were largely developed in the late 1960s to early 1970s with the idea of trying to stop the Soviets with conventional weapons and not using nukes until the other side did first.
"America has already done this in the past."
Like Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq? All failures. All the arms in the world and the US chose to replace Saddam, a secular dictator, with a government allied to Iran, and now home to militias that routinely target Israel. All the munitions in the world aren't going to make up for the diplomatic and strategic stupidity the US is capable of.
Might also want to study history. The US largely spent the first year of the second world war on the defensive, and the few offensive operations were very costly in manpower (compared to later in the war, as a percentage of troops engaged) largely because we did start out so far in the hole. It’s why we had to focus on secondary (or even tertiary) targets like North Africa, which probably actually slowed are build up for the invasion of Continental Europe and thus lengthened the war. Historians like Atkinson actually go into this in depth in their writings on World War 2. During the first world war we were so far behind, that we had to beg artillery, ammunition, tanks and warplanes (even rifles) off of our allies, and domestic wartime production didn’t advance to meet our needs until 1919, a year after the armistice. This despite us already selling munitions before April 1917 to Europe, and declaring War in April 1917, but the US not engaging in actual ground conflicts largely until April 1918, and then only in small emergency deployment to help stop the German Spring offensive. We weren't capable of taking part in large offensive operations until June 1918.
And in World War 2, the US, the world's largest industrialized country, didn't reach full wartime production until Spring of 1944, almost three years after officially entering the war (and over three years since we unofficially entered the war). And this is despite the fact that the US began officially rearming in 1940, with some steps taken as early as 1939 to build up our military.
That tends to happen when no nation on Earth could penetrate to America's production facilities at the time. None of the Axis powers ever landed in the United States during that 'build up' which sort of implies those 3 years didn't actually end up with the United States being invaded nor, obviously, did we lose that war.
Which, in fairness, in your haste to reply you may have missed that was rather my point in the first place. One can dicker over if that made the war worse in some regards, but the fact remains production went up and we went on to win the conflict.
Also, we used the only nuclear weapons to ever be used in war time during that conflict which is perhaps not so helpful to your overall premise that nuclear weapons would not be used in a similar engagement today. I actually agree they probably wouldn't since there are now other nuclear armed nations, but with the proviso that no enemy troop fleets are likely to reach the coast. If they might reach our shores with significant forces, I have little doubt we would deploy one of our many nuclear weapons to erase said fleet from existence. Risky in terms of nuclear retaliation, perhaps, but less risky than nuking enemy cities or having a large army land in California.
I could be wrong about this, but even a small nuke detonated on the surface of the ocean, in order to destroy an enemy fleet nearing the US, would result in a massive tsunami that would devastate the US coastline.
China is probably smiling thinking like Palpitine yes use your hate and use up your precious weapons of war. Then the Red Dawn scenario is a very real method and if you split up a country it makes it harder to get materials to factories.
If America went to war with any of the real powers there would be no time to use or produce these weapons ! MAD is based on use it or lose it, so either side would use most of their best, first shot. What will be left won't be worth fighting over.
>The U.S. is dispensing munitions to Ukraine and Israel faster than they can be replaced.
This is not true.
Not 'faster than they can be replaced' but 'the military will not prioritize military preparedness and hasn't for 20 years'.
Its not that we can't replace them, or even replace them faster than we're using them - its that the US military won't spend money on building up large stockpiles. Our magazines have always been low and its because the current military brass (and for the last 20 years) have been deluding themselves that any war we enter will be a few weeks at most.
So, instead of planning for the worst and hoping for the best, we plan for the best - and usually get caught with our pants down.
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Is that Reason's excuse?
This, to me, is much more plausible. It isn't that the United States can't produce that many weapons if we wanted to, but rather it's not cost effective to do so based on the current geo-political situation. This is actually Econ 102, so kudos for going beyond Econ 101...I guess.
If the author was honestly concerned about the situation, one might think a more rational article would be lamenting our lack of military spending and how we need to export many, many times more weapons to places like Ukraine.
That's how you tell they aren't serious about the issue and are just twisting facts to fit the narrative they wanted to push.
"By the end of 2023, around 70 percent of the homes in Gaza had been destroyed, a rate comparable to the most battle-torn cities of World War II. "
Rather than wringing our hands over a shortage of ammo, perhaps we should question its use to further policy goals. Every shell fired by Ukraine prolongs the war and loses more territory to Russia. It's self defeating. Hamas has never been stronger than it is today despite the massive damage inflicted on it by American ammo. Every shell fired by Israel further tarnishes Israel's international reputation, while burnishing Hamas reputation as its influence gains ground among Palestinians.
Both Russia and China are displacing America in Africa without the need for these 155mm shells. They do it through diplomatic maneuvering. See the recent confederation of Niger, Mali and Burkina Faso. West out, Russia in, no shells fired.
Although it's always tempting to question isolationism, it's reasonable to also question the other extreme - interventionism. It it's true that the best defense is a good offense, we should be very careful about maintaining our offensive capabilities by avoiding squandering them on every conflict everywhere on earth. Although I think Russia's invasion of Ukraine is atrocious and support Ukraine's valiant effort to throw Putin back out of their country, at some point the European Union - which has much more to lose from this conflict - should make a decision whether to help or stay neutral here. And the United States should have stayed out of the Middle East ENTIRELY and, failing that, gotten back out again as quickly as possible.
"And the United States should have stayed out of the Middle East ENTIRELY and, failing that, gotten back out again as quickly as possible."
Gotten back out? And leave all that oil sitting there? However strong the desire to pivot to China, the US seems intent on remaining in the middle east as long as control of the international trade in oil is seen as a worthy strategic goal.
The US reliance (over reliance) on smart weapons is part of the issue. The majority of artillery missions don't require smart munitions, because firing computers can place an unguided round on target, with a level of precision rivaling smart weapons. The Navy on the other hand has largely abandoned its cannons. Even still, many of these missions could easily be met with the five inch deck guns on every destroyer and cruiser, much cheaper than a tomahawk missile. It's too bad we've never replaced the Iowa class, it would be nice to have the range (and accuracy) of the 16 inch guns sometimes. Swatting a $5,000 fixed target with a million dollar tomahawk is a waste of resources when it can be just as reliable be engaged with a deck gun with a range of twenty five nautical miles and firing a shell that costs about $150. The entire department of the Navy, however, has fully bought into the cult of the guided missiles, even the USMC has retired most of it's tube artillery in favor of investing in guided missiles. This is short sighted and bound to lead to munition shortfalls. A lot of tactical fire missions don't require the precision of guided missiles, while also requiring a volume of fire that makes using guided munitions cost prohibitive. Tube artillery and deck guns are still more than adequate for the majority of fire mission and are a hell of a lot cheaper than guided missiles/munitions.
"The entire department of the Navy, however, has fully bought into the cult of the guided missiles, even the USMC has retired most of it’s tube artillery in favor of investing in guided missiles."
The Russians too. They are producing kits to be fitted on dumb bombs to convert them into smart bombs. The modifications are cheap and relatively easy to carry out. They are winning their war, too, so they must be doing something right.
No, naval guns have been worthless for years. The greatest battleship even built, the Yamato, had the biggest guns ever put on a naval vessel. The Yamato lasted all of one encounter with an aerial attack. If a full scale war broke out between the US and China, both navies would be at the bottom of the ocean with a week.
Billy Mitchell demonstrated the uselessness of ships against planes back in the 1920's but it took WWII to completely end the dominance of naval power.
The navy doesn't build ships, it builds targets.
Naval guns aren't useful for battles between ships, but they are quite worthwhile as gunfire support for ground forces near the coast.
Billy Mitchell's demonstration was quite valid at the time, operating against optically aimed gunfire. Things have changed more than a bit since then. In a full-scale war between the US and China, if the navies wound up at the bottom of the ocean within a week (which is certainly a possibility), it would be because of naval operations against one another (both naval aviation and surface to surface missiles).
To be useful in supporting battles near coasts means that the ship must first get within range of the coasts. Coastal missile batteries will make that impossible. Land launched missiles are far more accurate than anything launched by a moving sea going vessel, especially when GPS systems go down as they would in a serious war. No GPS means that weapons will require purely inertial navigation which is very expensive and hard to calibrate on a moving vessel.
Not building one carrier group would pay for hundreds of thousands of drones which could wipe out every naval vessel in the world.
This goes to show the fecklessness of the current administration. Why aren't F-16s in the skies now? The war in Ukraine can be won. Yes, the Russians have a really great reserve--i.e., North Korea, but that will run our eventually. Hold on Ukraine.
Ukraine will either surrender or be annihilated. There is no possibility they will defeat Russia.
It's a war of attrition, and Russia has 144 million people vs Ukraine's 34 million. Eventually Ukraine will run out of soldiers.
Russia won't wait for that. I expect this to wrapped up this summer.
"Hold on Ukraine."
They are not holding on. They continue to lose territory to Russia. Firing more missiles will only increase their loses.
The military procurement process has become so convoluted that it's almost impossible to increase production using smaller companies. There are dozens of ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) codes for suppliers to adhere to. A company that I used to work for had to assign an engineer to do nothing but determine which code applied to a purchase. Every vendor has to be certified to follow these codes which is incredibly costly and time consuming. I lost three of my best vendors for whom the compliance costs eliminated any chance of profit. They will not spend time and money on compliance if their commercial line is profitable. Military work is usually only a small part of the business for smaller vendors.
If you want to expand production by getting smaller producers involved, simplify the acquisition process.
Finally, abandon the idea that every component must be made in America. Korean and Japanese steels are better than ours. Taiwan's commercial lines produce better and cheaper semi-conductors that can be made in America. Getting Taiwan to manufacture weapons kills two birds with one stone - they get to arm themselves and us as well.
To the reason staff
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Oh no… How will we enforce our “foreign policy” without bombs… Whatever shall we do… We might have to stop bombing people… The Uniparty will be devastated… I am so sad right now… /sarcasm
We've still got nukes. Lots and lots of nukes. We can use them.
Start with Iran. Then China.
This is just a thought. Say China wants to invade Taiwan . But before it gets the cooperation of some of its allies to invade Ukraine and start a war with Israel . The US can’t keep up with suppling those conflicts much less have enough to protect itself . How will we come to the defense of Taiwan ? Since I have children of draft age I guess maybe that’s a good thing .
Headline reminded me of, what if schools had all the money they need, and the Air Force had to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber?
Schools have much more money than they need.
If a major, all-out shooting war involving the US comes to pass, there will be a serious munitions and delivery mechanism shortage. It's a given. The war that comes will not be the war we are expecting and planning for. It never is. We will have to re-tool, make what actually works on the battlefield, as opposed to what the war-planners think will work. Study how each of our past major conflicts have evolved munitions-wise and strategy/tactics-wise and it becomes apparent that our efforts over time were often dismal and became more effective at countering the enemy's aggression.