What Republicans and Democrats Can Learn From the Jacobins' Spiraling Crisis
At every stage, a breach on one side provoked an even more extreme response on the other.

It was early 1793, and the situation in France after its revolution had begun to spiral out of control.
The Jacobins by then had split into factions. The Girondins, initially at the revolutionary vanguard, were disturbed by the movement's tendency to descend into violent radicalism. The previous year, mobs had slaughtered thousands of alleged counterrevolutionaries in their jail cells; in January, the deposed King Louis XVI had been guillotined as a tyrant. The Girondins blamed their rivals, the Montagnards, for these excesses.
Now rioting was breaking out again, spurred by rising food prices. So in March, in an effort to tamp things down, "the Girondins set a precedent that was later used against them," wrote Jeremy D. Popkin in A Short History of the French Revolution, "by stripping the Montagnard journalist-deputy [Jean-Paul] Marat of his parliamentary immunity and having him tried for inciting violence."
They weren't wrong about Marat. He was indeed a rabble-rouser, having declared early in the revolution that "five or six hundred heads cut off" could have stopped the opposition. Yet it didn't take long for the move to backfire. Marat was acquitted by a friendly tribunal in April, and the Girondins were purged from the National Convention, France's governing body, in June. According to the historian Isser Woloch in his foreword to Twelve Who Ruled: The Year of Terror in the French Revolution, the Convention "then was free to begin putting into place draconian emergency laws that amounted to a temporary revolutionary dictatorship."
The Girondin leaders weren't just removed from their legislative roles. Branded as traitors, dozens were executed or driven to suicide before year's end. When a Girondin sympathizer stabbed Marat to death, it provided all the justification the remaining Jacobins needed to inaugurate, and then escalate, the Reign of Terror.
What seems notable in this snapshot of events is that, each step of the way, participants felt they had every excuse and perhaps no choice but to ignore the rules of the game that might otherwise have reined in the excesses of the day. Yet at every stage, a breach on one side provoked an even more extreme response on the other, and the crisis spiraled further.
American politics today can follow a similar pattern. The far left demands that President Joe Biden pack the Supreme Court before it's too late—and points to the hardball politics of Senate Republicans that brought about the high court's conservative majority as a pretext. Republicans counter that they were just mirroring the tactics of Democrats, who during the Reagan administration politicized the confirmation process and during the Obama administration invoked the "nuclear option" for judicial appointments.
The parties jostle for temporary advantage, certain of the righteousness of their respective crusades, while trust in the institutions that make peaceful coexistence possible drains away.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "How Political Crises Spiral."
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What can you learn? Do it sooner, to have the advantage when you "retaliate first"?
None of this is primarily about the tactics, it's about the stakes. The less there is to fight over, the less motivation there should be for suspicion.
Oh my gosh! I actually agree with Roberta for once!
The problem is indeed that there is so very much at stake after we have concentrated every dram of political power in the centralized federal government.
The Rule of Law is now the enemy of partisans on both sides (boaf sides). Things like checks and balances and limited government should not get in the way of what must be done. And a dagger to any Marat that stands in the way!
It's not just about the high stakes and concentration of power at the center. It's also about human nature. When the social fabric is stable and people are not afraid, their better natures tend to dominate and peaceful coexistence and cooperation for mutual benefit comes to the front. In the case of the current culture wars, the Democrats pushed and kept pushing their social narrative, implementing more and ever more of their agenda whenever they had the upper hand politically, centralizing the government authority and raising the stakes. At some point the Republicans realized that it was no longer about improving the rights of people who had not been granted equal rights before; it had crossed over the line on multiple social fronts into special privileges and compensation for past injustices. So the Jacobin historical example is indeed appropriate but, like the Hatfields and McCoys, it is no longer possible for rational people to end the feud. Keep your heads down and your powder dry, folks ... it's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.
Exactly the wrong lesson for an actual Libertarian to draw from history.
Look, if two irrational, thuggish, Totalitarian gangs are about to fight for control of the place you call home, the first thing a Libertarian should do is get fuck out from between them and don't be there when the Shit Hits The Fan.
If happenstance puts you in the middle of one of these gangs, then gently and quietly move to the periphery and then haul ass away! "Go grey" now so you can go grey later.
Then, while the two Totalitarian gangs fight until they burn themselves out, you get up a posse of fellow freedom-lovers both at home and expatriated abroad and get your nation back. Delay, divert, distract, demoralize, slacken, sabotage, soften, and subvert both tyrannical factions, but wait until they aare at their weakest before firing your biggest volley!
That how you do it! And hope it never gets to that!
Let's keep something in mind about the Jacobins: They are no more.
Jesus and Gandhi and MLK Jr. are also no more. They got themselves KILLED for being morally-ethically-spiritually correct, for opposing blindm self-righteous tribalism, and for making the shitheads of the day look bad! http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/
Oh yeah?
https://jacobin.com
I was about to say this:
What Republicans and Democrats Can Learn From the Jacobins'
SpiralingSpiraled and Petered-Out CrisisFixed That For Steffie.
Girondins: "Butt twatabout that them thar Montagnard abuses?"
Montagnards: "Butt twatabout that them thar Girondin abuses?"
Oh, IF ONLY the Girondins and the Montagnards had stood STRONG AND TRUE, and FIRMLY supported twataboutism, every step of the way!!!
What the devil! Seems I’ve tripped over Gogol!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Gogol
Now I learned something new today! Thanks!
This doesn't provide anything useful for Republicans in the current political climate. Democrats are the Jacobins in so many ways and are the aggressors most of the time. What does this suggest the Republicans should be doing? Continuing to give concessions just piles up wins for the Democrats. Allowing bad behavior from the left while being passive against excessive prosecution against the right just encourages aggression from the left.
Let's be clear about the fundamental nature of the two factions. The left is aggressive and perpetually pushing for more extreme ideas. They are also disinterested in the rule of law and content with using organized violence against others. The right wants to be left alone and adhere to an agreed to set of rules. Violence from the right is only supported for defense. As we drive further into lawfare and physical political violence, a proponent of the NAP would vociferously support the defenders against the aggressors.
Maybe the criticism should rightly be against the left and their aggression
I think you missed the point - or maybe got tangled in the history. They were all Jacobins. The party (not in the current sense but it's the closest equivalent) split into the Girondins and the Montagnards. And those are the two groups that got into the spiraling retaliations described above.
So please clarify - are you arguing that the Democrats are playing the role of the Girondins or the Montagnards?
Were is Tallyrand now that Steve Bannon needs him ?
Not only that, but as John here pointed out over a decade ago, the "left" has no plan to, and indeed cannot, ever win the culture war, because the only "goal" of it is perpetual upset. As soon as society gets anywhere close to where they say they want it, their professed preferred direction changes, sometimes even back to the opposite direction, so they can never be pleased by an outcome.
The good news is they don't actually have a guillotine out, and I think we're far from actually killing each other. However, we won't stay any farther away from the guillotine by being concessionary.
They've rolled out some symbolic guillotines at Antifa protests of leftist billionaires like Bezos, Gates, and Zuckerberg back during the "summer of love" in 2020.
One thing that slows the modern version of the Jacobins from rolling out that hardware too frequently is that they're often presented with counter-protests (or groups thinking an armed presence might de-escalate both sides) who are much more 2A-friendly.
It's one thing to pretend you're looking to lop off the head of someone who may or may not be inside the building that you're protesting outside of; trying to grab up someone from the other side when there's one or more probably loaded firearms in the hands of people who'd be likely to oppose such an action with more than just a verbal warning.
Stephanie's entire schtick is to attack the right and defend the progressive left project from criticism, not providing balanced, good faith proposals.
To have trust in an institution, the institution has to remain trustworthy. One side retaining trust in a corrupted institution for the sake of having trust does not solve the base problem, that the institution has been corrupted. Having reason to again trust an institution is a difficult process.
There is also the problem that the Progressive Left has embraced postmodernism philosophy, which means they have abandoned objective truth, having principles. They have reasoned themselves out of using reason. For instance, to supposedly combat racism, they have embraced racial discrimination and prejudice to promote a bizarre notion of diversity.
It's not just the "Progressive" left doing that. Misek is every bit as deranged as any purple-haired intersectional feminist you'll encounter on the boards at salon or slate, and has a take on inherent traits that's really not all that different if you scratch the surface veneers.
More lies on court is twat we need to move ahead into political peace!!! (So shit is said, at least.)
https://reason.com/2022/02/11/sidney-powell-disowns-her-kraken-saying-she-is-not-responsible-for-her-phony-story-of-a-stolen-election/ (Yet another Powell article)
https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/
Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory
Which particular lies are you wanting to hear and believe today, hyper-partisan Wonder Children?
WHY do you evil people love it SOOOOO much when lawyers LIE in court? Is it the lawyers that You love, the lies, or both?
Both FNC and MSNBC have used the "no reasonable person would believe this" defense in defamation suits and won. I can't remember whether it was Hannity or Tucker on the Fox side that did it but Maddow's lawyers added the flourish that her use of the word "literally" in prefacing whatever it was she got sued for saying was a clear signal that she wasn't presenting whatever came next as if it were literal truth.
Maddow wasn’t testifying in court or making court submissions (wasn’t swearing to tell the truth and all that happy crap, if it makes a difference, or SHOULD make difference). Her original offense was on the air, not in court, that is. I do agree that Maddow should have been punished by the (civil) law, though. Equal justice for all, and that good stuff…
What seems notable in this snapshot of events is that, each step of the way, participants felt they had every excuse and perhaps no choice but to ignore the rules of the game that might otherwise have reined in the excesses of the day. Yet at every stage, a breach on one side provoked an even more extreme response on the other, and the crisis spiraled further.
When you have deposed the legitimate government, chopped off the King's head along with the heads of thousands of the King's supporters, along wth the heads of a lot of innocent passers by who had no part whatever in the ancien regime - what is this "rules of the game" thing of which you speak ?
Lenin put the point bluntly :
"When we are reproached with cruelty, we wonder how people can forget the most elementary Marxism."
Or as Harvey Logan put it even more succinctly in Butch Cassidy :
"Rules ?! In a knife fight ?
Nothing about locking up Journalists covering J6, or Trump….
Maybe if the New York Times reports on it they’ll find the courage to say something.
It does leave one to wonder to what ends this will lead?
Of course there are no “ends,” just a continuation of less and less freedom, supposedly in the name of “democracy” (or whatever term is most useful to gaslight the masses/ useful idiots).
Which brings us to bringing down the temple (a la Trump), which I believe is his biggest appeal. Not that the temple fell during his administration, but more of a redefining of politics in America, and a whole lot of weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth.
Not enough decapitation or suicide in modern politics.
We have plenty of “suicides” in America politics, they just tend to be whistleblowers.
I want fewer "suicides" and more ritual suicides in disgrace.
>>the hardball politics of Senate Republicans that brought about the high court's conservative majority
one idiot doesn't get to be SCJ and it's all "hardball politics" up in here.
What is going on in DC is mere theatre. In the deep blue and deep red states where the parties have solid locks on power is where those who disagree with them suffer the most. I know you could just pack up and move to a state that’s more to your liking, but that’s not an easy option for most, and the number of “purple” states is getting smaller-even I those places, you have cities that try to be just like their deep blue big brothers.
Democrats and republicans are incapable of learning.
Otherwise, the US wouldn't be debt for $34 trillion.
The cry ‘Liberty, equality, fraternity or death!’ was much in vogue during the Revolution. Liberty ended by covering France with prisons, equality by multiplying titles and decorations, and fraternity by dividing us. Death alone prevailed.
Louis de Bonald
Except of course that that is the one we omit from memory.
Who among us wouldn't love to see the self-righteously indignant, slimy "squad" and their ilk on a guillotine? Just saying...
Here is hoping that, despite the wars, persecutions, famine, and religious superstition in Ireland's history--some "luck of the Irish" huh?--that everyone has a great day on St. Patrick's Day!
And since it was the acts of Irish sailors who brought us Gorgo and his Mother's green-scaled rampage on London, and since Irish Playwright Samuel Beckett wrote Waiting for Godot, I thought that a great way to commemorate St. Patrick's Day would be to show Mystery Science Theater 3000's virtuoso performance of Waiting for Gorgo:
https://youtu.be/H8fjM6xrFCA?si=CpXZdRAkuvuI9Y9A
Not since Bambi Meets Godzilla has there been a more fantastic theatric performance of brevity and wit!
https://youtu.be/c4oUuRBnEkE?si=6-6QY7ogN9n1qBQh
Two Shillelaghs Up and Two Shamrocks Up! A+++++++++
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