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NATO

Delinquent Countries

Plus: RFK Jr.'s Super Bowl ad, New York's war on Airbnbs, Biden's TikToks, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 2.12.2024 9:30 AM

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Trump spouts off about Russia and NATO: On Saturday, at a campaign rally in South Carolina, former Republican President Donald Trump recalled a hypothetical that he said he'd entertained with another head of state.

If that country had not paid up for its defense, and was attacked by Russia, Would NATO still protect it? the head of state purportedly asked Trump.

"'You didn't pay? You're delinquent?'" Trump recounted saying. '"No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage [Russia] to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.'"

Trump seems "gripped by the stubbornly ignorant belief, even after four years in office, that NATO is some sort of protection racket, in which our European allies come to Washington like quivering shopkeepers and make an offering to the local mob boss from their weekly receipts," writes The Atlantic's Tom Nichols.

"NATO funding doesn't work that way, of course, and while European leaders no doubt had their arguments in private with Trump while he was president, it is highly unlikely that the leader of a major power 'stood up'—as if in some sort of audience with Trump—to ask him if he'd stop a Russian invasion of a country 'delinquent' in its accounts."

Nichols' take—that it's unlikely that this conversation happened at all, or at least that it went the way Trump told it—seems correct. But the most notable takeaway here isn't whether his anecdote really happened; it's that Trump felt comfortable signaling his disloyalty to NATO, and that he did it this way. A careful, well-informed critique of NATO this was not.

Movement in Trump cases: It's going to be a big week for Donald Trump. On Thursday, Judge Juan M. Merchan is likely to schedule the criminal trial for Trump's alleged hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels, meaning the former president's team will now know exactly how it may interfere with their campaign schedule. (Merchan may dismiss the case altogether.)

Then, on Friday, a ruling is expected in Trump's civil fraud case, issued by Judge Arthur F. Engoron. The civil fraud case deals with whether Trump misrepresented his net worth to banks and insurers.

Also on Thursday, "the Georgia prosecutor who accused Mr. Trump of conspiring to overturn the 2020 election will face a hearing about her romantic relationship with a lawyer she hired to work on that case," reports The New York Times. Trump may attend that hearing as well.


Scenes from New York: This past September, Local Law 18 went into effect, which in essence banned most short-term rental Airbnbs from being able to operate legally within the five boroughs. (I covered Local Law 18 here.) This has resulted in massive demand growth for listings in Jersey City and Newark—less convenient for tourists, unless they are visiting to avail themselves of Portuguese food. It has also been a huge handout to NEw York City's hotel lobby, which supported the 2022 passage of the law.

A November report issued by the group RHOAR, Restore Homeowner Autonomy & Rights, found that more than 90 percent of former Airbnb host respondents are now struggling with paying mortgages and utility bills, which they attribute to the dried-up rental income and vacant rooms. Almost a third reported that they've been delaying important repairs because they cannot afford them right now.

The New York Times has found that the city's Office of Special Enforcement, the permitting authority that can allow people to continue renting out rooms in their homes, is allowing very few short-term rentals: "Of the 5,661 applications received by early February, 1,387 have been granted and 955 have been denied."


QUICK HITS

  • The SuperPAC backing Robert F. Kennedy Jr. ran an actually great Super Bowl ad, basically a reinvention of his uncle's 1960 presidential campaign ad. If you look at Google search traffic, it seems to have worked—unless people find anything offputtingly bizarre when they google him.
  • "In a New York Times/Siena poll of six battleground states last fall, more than 70 percent of voters agreed with a statement that Mr. Biden, 81, is too old to be an effective president, though voters 65 and over were slightly less likely to judge him as too old," reports The New York Times.
  • Yes:

You don't demonstrate your seriousness that Trump is an existential threat to democracy by going through the motions to renominate an 81-year-old with a 38% approval rating who 75% of voters think is too old without giving anyone a choice because that's just how things are done.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) February 11, 2024

  • Naturally, the Biden campaign has joined TikTok to try to curry favor with the young.
  • Some commercial ships that must go through the Red Sea are making their crews all-Muslim to try to protect against Houthi attacks.
  • More than you ever needed to know about death masks, from the BBC.
  • "In Alberta, kids under the age of 16 will no longer be eligible to receive puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones, while sex-change surgeries will be limited to those 18 and older," reports the Calgary Herald.
  • Other Super Bowl ad takes:

"So we are going to make a Super Bowl commercial about Volkswagen's history" pic.twitter.com/jTNam817R9

— Kyle Martin (@kmartceo) February 12, 2024

  • And President Joe Biden released a strange video about how snack portions have gotten smaller while prices have stayed the same:

I did not predict leaning into the aging issue with an Andy-Rooney-on-quaaludes rant about how chip bags used to be fuller. https://t.co/XnHhLLFZoD

— Mary Katharine Ham (@mkhammer) February 11, 2024

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    "'You didn't pay? You're delinquent?'" Trump recounted saying.

    No shirt, no shoes, no service.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

      "Stay out of Mar-a-Lago, Poland! Stay out of Mar-a-Lago, deadbeat! Keep your ugly fuckin' goldbrickin' ass out of my beach community!"

      1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

        Fascist!

        1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

          A real reactionary.

        2. JesseAz   1 year ago

          In other thread sarc is claiming as long as you dont change restaurant menus it is fine.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

            What about burning steaks? Did Sarc mention that? Or being a cook and not knowing what a Cuban sandwich is?

            1. JesseAz   1 year ago

              He would find a way to burn ham.

            2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

              Cuban sandwich? Is that some sort of exotic Maine delicacy?

              1. Stuck in California   1 year ago

                You know, it COULD be. I mean, Hawaiian pizza is a Canadian invention.

                1. Fetterman's Hump   1 year ago

                  I love pizza, though I no longer eat it because of the carbs.

                  Hawaiians spell "pizza" as "huma huma oppa wacka". That ain't pizza.

          2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

            That is a stupendously stupid take on what I said.

            1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

              What would be the unstupendously stupid take then?

            2. JesseAz   1 year ago

              No. Actually it isnt.

              Here are your quotes.

              sarcasmic 2 hours ago
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              Lucky for us the government doesn’t run the country. If those idiots told everyone what to do we’d be so fucked.
              .
              JesseAz 1 hour ago
              So we are just ignoring Bidens entire regulatory framework now? Lol.
              .
              sarcasmic 1 hour ago (edited)
              Flag Comment Mute User
              There’s a big difference between making the rules and telling people what to do.

              Followed by:

              sarcasmic 51 mins ago
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              Making the rules is the same as telling farmers which crops to plant and restaurants what dishes to put on their menus?

              Sure the rules tell us which cars to drive, what appliances to use, what energy sources to use, what you can build on what land...

              But they don't tell you to change menus.

              1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                By your reasoning referees tell teams which plays to run, as opposed to enforcing the rules and allowing the teams to do whatever they want within that framework.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                  Nice job comparing apples to oranges.

                2. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

                  The vintage referee gaslighting. You conveniently omit that the referee also writes the rules. And the rules blatantly decide winners and losers.

                  1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                    Government doesn't "run the country."

                    When the government shuts down the country gets along just fine.

                    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      At what level is government interference okay to you? My initial assertion on your comment is being proven by your defenses here. Lol.

                    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      At what level is government interference okay to you?

                      Not much. Despite your delusions, I'm actually a minarchist.

                    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      Sarc says: "Government doesn’t run the country.”

                      The government micromanages which companies can merge and which can't. It micromanages which drugs can be taken. It mandates what type of schools you can send your kids to.

                      What exactly would government running the country look like to you? I guess if it's not a literal concentration camp 24/7 then it's not running the country.

                      "When the government shuts down the country gets along just fine."

                      Unfortunately. the government doesn't really shut down. All their regulations are still in place.

                    4. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      Yet youre claiming just right here that regulatory framework don't influence personal decisions. Odd.

                    5. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      Yet youre claiming just right here that regulatory framework don’t influence personal decisions. Odd.

                      What?

                    6. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      I'm sorry you're stupid sarc. I truly am.

                      Your entire argument is that regulatory framework dont change behavior.

                      Do you think Mussolini was designing menus? Lol.

                    7. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      Influence, yes. Run, no.

                    8. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      Your entire argument is that regulatory framework dont change behavior.

                      No. That's the strawman you're arguing against.

                      My argument is that there's a difference between laying down rules companies must follow and actually running the companies. Yes the government makes rules, but telling a company they must follow rules while making something isn't the same as telling them what to make. It's not running the company. And if government doesn't run companies, then it certainly doesn't run the country.

                    9. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      Government says to car companies "If you want to sell your cars here, here's the rules."

                      It does not say to car companies "Here is the design you must follow. I want this many in this timeframe."

                      The latter would be running the country.

                    10. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      It does not say to car companies “Here is the design you must follow."

                      Bullshit. As an example, for a few decades, the feds told every automaker that they could only have round sealed-beam headlights 7-inches in diameter. There were no other choices.

                    11. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      Your attempt to distinguish is what rational and intelligent person call a distinction without a difference.

                      The government currently decides a lot of choices that consumers and businesses don't agree with. Adding to costs and reducing choices. But you defend this because you can't criticize Biden.

                      Then in the sullum thread you rush to find a meaningless difference to go after Trump despite the law not pertaining to the difference you found.

                      Your entire ideology is based around this.

                    12. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      Bullshit. As an example, for a few decades, the feds told every automaker that they could only have round sealed-beam headlights 7-inches in diameter. There were no other choices.

                      In your desperation to disagree with me you're proving my point.

                      If they want to sell cars they must follow the rules, one rule is they must use these headlights. That's not designing the fucking car.

                    13. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      "My argument is that there’s a difference between laying down rules companies must follow and actually running the companies."

                      It's funny how sarc is accidentally stating the difference between communism and fascism.

                    14. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      What if they want to sell cars with different headlights?

                    15. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Holy shit sarc doesn’t know about electric car mandates!

                      HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! He’s so fucking ignorant!

                    16. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      “As an example, for a few decades, the feds told every automaker that they could only have round sealed-beam headlights 7-inches in diameter. There were no other choices.”

                      “If they want to sell cars they must follow the rules, one rule is they must use these headlights. That’s not designing the fucking car.”

                      That is, in fact, designing the fucking car.

                    17. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      sarcasmic, you are talking to people who have a black/white mentality. Either we have a totally laissez-faire economy, or the government totally runs everything. There is no in between!

                      This type of infantile black/white thinking is the real logical fallacy here.

                      There is a difference between the government establishing neutral, uniform rules under which each company must operate, and the government micromanaging every distinction. Sometimes, it is hard to tell that difference, like with the headlight example above. But honest, reasonable people would admit that the government setting rules about headlights, even very specific ones, is somewhere on the continuum between "government does nothing" and "government runs everything". It isn't at either extreme end.

                      Of course we libertarians would like the government to have as few rules as possible, only those necessary for a well-functioning marketplace to exist that is reasonably free of fraud. And to do that, one could take one of two approaches:

                      1. Have a reasonable, logical, factual discussion with people about why having a government making fewer rules is better.
                      2. Lie about what the government does and claim that "government runs everything" to scare them into thinking that we are on the precipice of full-blown fascism and/or communism, so that they run to the polls to vote against what they think is communism.

                      And as far as a political tactic, #2 might be better, since emotions are better at inducing a behavioral response than rational discussion is. But it is dishonest. It is also - shall we say - politically motivated, as that argument only tends to pop up when Democrats in charge.

                    18. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago (edited)

                      Jeff, who here or in the sullum thread has lied about what the government does? People have given specific and cited examples of what the government does.

                      edit: tucille not sullum

                    19. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      If they want to sell cars they must follow the rules, one rule is they must use these headlights. That’s not designing the fucking car.

                      Actually, Sarc, it is. It's telling them they have one design choice, and only one to sell a car here. Let's discuss 5mph bumpers, headlight heights, a-pillar thicknesses, and a whole host of other things governed by FVMSS instead of by individual auto designers. European automakers had some innovative headlights during the 1940 to mid/late 1970s yet, they had to use only the 7-inch round sealed-beam to sell in the US. Ctiroen has an innovative suspension system, yet due to the mandated headlight height, they had to discontinue selling vehicles here.

                      Don't worry, the EU plays the same game.

                    20. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Your team is trying to dishonestly equate ANY government rule as equivalent to OPPRESSIVE government control.

                      Let's use the car example:

                      Should the government require that cars have headlights at all? Is so, is that equivalent to the government dictating every facet of the car's design?

                      Should the government require that cars have a functioning engine that meets some minimum standard for safety? If so, is that equivalent to the government dictating every facet of the car's design?

                    21. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      How about the government stay out of both car design and food preparation. Didn't libertarians used to believe this?

                    22. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      That's fine, but it misses the point. Not all government rules are equally bad or equally oppressive. Some truly are bad and oppressive, but some are not. If you want to get rid of them all, then that's fine. But at least be honest about what it is exactly that you are trying to do.

                    23. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      The fact that there are varying degrees of oppression doesn't change anything about the arguments made here. I'm arguing against Sarc's statement that "making the rules" is different than "telling us what to do"

                    24. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Collectivist Jeffy comes to dumbass sarc’s defense by defending the government controlling businesses in ways they have no legitimate authority to do.

                      These two knuckleheads in a nutshell.

                    25. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      So a government rule that says that cars must have headlights AT ALL, is a type of "oppression". Got it.

                      That is the reason why too many people view libertarians as kooks. It is "oppression" only in the most theoretical abstract sense. To most of the world, it does not even belong in the same ballpark as rules that are genuinely oppressive

                    26. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      No one said that. You're answering yourself.

                    27. Jefferson Paul   1 year ago

                      Hey, Chemjeff. How about the government (California) mandating that no ICE vehicles be sold after 2035? Is that intrusive enough to count for you?

                    28. DesigNate   1 year ago

                      “So a government rule that says that cars must have headlights AT ALL, is a type of “oppression”. Got it.”

                      I mean if you want to get technical (or just be on the more minarchist/ancap side of things), then yes.

                      “That is the reason why too many people view libertarians as kooks. It is “oppression” only in the most theoretical abstract sense. To most of the world, it does not even belong in the same ballpark as rules that are genuinely oppressive.”

                      A) that is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
                      B) thanks for admitting that we are espousing libertarian thought on this subject.
                      3) it doesn’t really matter what the rest of the world thinks of us, because they have proven to be too scared of their own shadows to live freely. (admittedly, this may come off a bit nihilistic).

                    29. R Mac   1 year ago

                      If it wasn’t for government, we wouldn’t even have headlights on our cars!

                3. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                  Sarc, have you ever actually studied logic?

                  1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                    Why? You looking for a teacher?

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      And where did you learn your logic, in cloudcockooland?

                    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      You looking for a teacher as well?

                    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      Oh yeah definitely, sign me up sarc. The referee thing really demonstrates your expertise.

                    4. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      I want to take sarcs course in logic as well. May finally let us know why is arguments are so ignorant and bald.

                    5. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

                      You got your logic from that package of corn flakes, right, the one where you send in 5 boxtops, two dimes, and a stamped self-addressed envelope?

                      So 1960s.

                    6. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      Sarc's logical logic class about logic, lesson 1:

                      Government never literally told one guy to grow apples, and another guy to grow oranges, ergo, government doesn't tell people what to do. QED.

                4. JesseAz   1 year ago

                  Your takes get dumber by the moment.

                  Again. This plays right into my criticism.

                  Refs in the NFL do in fact call illegal formations, as one example. Teams play in the confines of the rules.

                  1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                    Did you read what you responded to?

                    1. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

                      Yes. I’m asking you to defend your point.

                      At one time in the NFL, the forward pass was illegal. Coaches could not design plays that had a forward pass. Currently they can't design plays that have 12 or more men. The rules literally tell coaches what plays are illegal.

                      You seem to be ignorant that regulations do in fact effect choices.

                      You bringing farmers into the mix is extra hilarious as Europe is currently having protests regarding farming regulations.

                    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      You're asking me to defend a point I didn't make.

                    3. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      Everyone can read what you wrote.

                      If you think you made an intelligent argument, expand on it and try to defend your point. Because right now it seems to be a heavily regulated system doesn't control people because they don't tell you whats on a menu.

                      Either clarify or make a more intelligent point.

                    4. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      I see a distinction between "If you do this then you must follow these rules" and "you're going to do this."

                      Apparently you don't.

                    5. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      What you are actually doing is rationalizing why democrats aren't so bad despite a heavy framework while also stating you are a minarchist. Lol.

                      The regulatory framework currently regulates your decision tree in almost every aspect of your life. What democrats want does so even more.

                      So in order to rationalize your political choices, you form a distinction that is meritless.

                    6. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Add minarchist to the list of words sarc doesn’t understand.

                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                    Teams play in the confines of the rules.

                    In the NFL, the referees do not create the rules. The team owners create the rules.

                    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      Another reason why sarc's analogizing of the govt to sports is nonsense.

              2. Sevo   1 year ago

                Gee, the lying pile of lefty shit sarc lies!

              3. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

                Remember folks, Sarc claims he's the one true Libertarian ™ yet he's defending government rule making. Totes libertarian.

                1. Zeb   1 year ago

                  Everyone who isn't an anarchist defends government rule making.

                  1. R Mac   1 year ago

                    Does his position on this topic match the minarchist label he’s applied to himself?

                  2. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

                    Pretty sure that the Constitution has very specific guard rails as to what the federal government can make rules on, which they've blown through a long time ago. And Biden's put it on steroids.

              4. Zeb   1 year ago

                I think you are going a bit overboard on this one. Regulating, interfering and influencing aren't "running things". The government running the country would be no shit communism and thankfully we aren't to that point yet. There's a lot of room in between "the president runs the country" and "the government in no way interferes with anyone's business". And probably some distinctions worth making.

                1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                  When you have a government that has to approve every drug that is developed, every business merger, sets interest rates, controls school curricullum, etc, etc, etc, and can fine/jail you for noncompliance, then the government IS "running things" in each of those particular contexts.

                2. JesseAz   1 year ago

                  It is a distinction between fascism and communism which is why I asked about Bidens regulatory framework explicitly including on appliances, energy sources, etc.

                  Just because large portions of the market are controlled by regulations does not mean they are not controlled. See ACA.

          3. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

            Plus, in some cases, they DO change restaurant menus.

            1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

              Yes indeed. Calorie counts and the rest didn't just show up by spontaneous collaboration.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                I learned about counting calories in elementary school. They would have done that anyway.

                -Sarcasmic

                1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                  Requiring labeling rules is the same thing as writing the menu. -BG

                  1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

                    Not answering comments is the same as rebutting them. -- sarcasmic

                    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      Don't tell sarc, but adding calorie counts to menus did change the menu and added a cost of new menus. Shhhh.

                    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      Requiring calorie counts is the same as writing the manu. -JA

                    3. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                      Did the calorie counts add more text and more pages to the menu, Sarc? If so, then that's a change to menu.

                    4. JesseAz   1 year ago

                      I'm really curious as to what point sarc thinks he is making here.

                    5. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      He knows he said something stupid, but won't admit it. So he will double down on it all day, and by tomorrow he will say it didn't happen that way.

                    6. R Mac   1 year ago

                      Keep going sarc, you’re doing great!

                    7. Smack Daddy   1 year ago

                      Government regulations to provide dietary information on fast food lead to the removal of the chili cheese burrito from taco bell's menu. Soooo , yes government coercion does change restaurant menus.

                  2. JesseAz   1 year ago

                    And he doubles down folks!

                    Lol.

                  3. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                    Sarc, even you can't actually think you're winning this exchange.

                    1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                      I certainly can't you convince idiots that requiring labels on a menu and writing that menu are different things. So yeah, there's no way I'm winning. Your obtuseness is undefeatable.

                    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      Requiring them to change the menu is requiring them to change the menu.

                      What about bloomberg's soda ban?

                  4. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                    "Requiring labeling rules is the same thing as writing the menu."

                    Yes. Obviously not literally the same. But in principle, yes.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      Only for simple-minded idiots who cannot think beyond black/white terms.

                      By your standard, requiring certain food to be *cooked* is the same as writing the menu. After all, if a restaurant wants to serve 'chicken tartare', why should the government stand in their way?

                    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

                      By my standard, force is force.

                      "After all, if a restaurant wants to serve ‘chicken tartare’, why should the government stand in their way?"

                      If someone wants to sell it and someone else wants to buy it, then who the fuck are you to stop them?

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   1 year ago

                      If the government requires restaurant food to be cooked, is that equivalent to the government literally deciding which dishes are to be served in that restaurant?

                      People who are not black/white simpletons can understand that there is a degree of difference between the government setting some basic rules for proper food preparation, and government dictating every facet of how to run a restaurant. They may both be a type of government force, but they are of a different kind, not to mention different degree. The latter is far more objectionable than the former. And frankly it makes us libertarians look like kooks when some of us spend our time railing against government rules that violate libertarian canon but are nonetheless very reasonable at least from a utilitarian perspective. Such as, for instance, rules that require chicken to be cooked to kill harmful bacteria if it is to be served at a public restaurant.

          4. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

            “My argument is that there’s a difference between laying down rules companies must follow and actually running the companies.”

            How many times will I get to use this? A lot lately, it seems.

            Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.

            https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

            1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

              Nuh-uh, fascism was unhindered capitalism, my professor said so.

            2. R Mac   1 year ago

              Sarc clearly supports fascism. Apparently Lying Jeffy does to. I shouldn’t be surprised.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

        Its those the cheese eaters and braut bitters in Western Europe who are too much of pussy wimps to blow out those commie bastards!

        1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          I am hearing this in General Patton's voice followed by: "Putin, you magnificent bastard! I saw your Tucker Carlson interview!"
          🙂
          😉

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

            That didn't occur to me, but I see it. I was paraphrasing the great geopolitical mind, the late Rodney Dangerfield.

            1. Super Scary   1 year ago

              Take my president...please!

      3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   1 year ago

        Poland is among the leaders in Defense spending

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      No defense for you!

    3. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

      This is really a semantics argument. No, NATO members dont pay the US directly but they are required to spend at least 2% of the GDP on defense spending. Very few met this condition, so Trump is correct.

      1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

        What does the US get out of being in NATO these days? We don't need any of those european states as vassals to protect ourselves. Seems like a raw deal to me.

        1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

          Criticism that we spend to much on defense and criticism that we aren't dedicated enough to defending Europe (because they won't spend enough to defend themselves)?

  2. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Trump seems "gripped by the stubbornly ignorant belief, even after four years in office, that NATO is some sort of protection racket..."

    Wait. It isn't?

    1. Quicktown Brix   1 year ago

      We're here to introduce something called "protection money."

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V4W7xvPfp4

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      More like a retarded mobster who pays the shop keepers for "protection".

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        ^ True story

        "Nice place ya got here, pal. Say, if yous don't want it busted up or nothing, yous might think of maybe taking this $5 billion in annual aid."

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          Schumer literally did this last work. If we don't fund Ukraine he would send your kids to war.

    3. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

      NATO funding doesn’t work that way, of course,

      Even if it isn’t, where I come from “not getting the service you didn’t pay” for is called “economics” or “common sense” or “just the way things work” or "free association" or “the default state of the Universe”.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        But in the progressive universe, getting stuff you didn't pay for is the cornerstone.

    4. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

      Since the majority of NATO members don't meet the treaty requirement that they spend at least 2% of GDP on defense, then I won't quibble over semantics. The fact is, they don't spend because they know we'll come running when they scream, while at the same time criticizing us for how much we spend on defense.

    5. The Last American Hero   1 year ago

      You should know that NATO is Welch’s sacred cow and no bad talking is allowed where nato is concerned

    6. GroundTruth   1 year ago

      For all the times I had to hear about someone saying "better there than here" after 9/11, I wish the same folks understood that Russia is a much more dangerous threat than even the sneakiest islamic jihadist. Using our own equipment to kill our people and destroy our property hurts, but a scared kid with a few thousand nukes and a desire to reassemble a fallen empire is far worse.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    ...Judge Juan M. Merchan is likely to schedule the criminal trial for Trump's alleged hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels...

    Every libertarian should be up in arms over the sudden criminalization of private contracts!

    1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

      He paid off his whore. Heck, that's what you're supposed to do. Would the DNC rather he stiffed her?

      1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

        In general, the stiffing comes right before the paying off

        1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

          2 things piss me off here:

          '1) Government Almighty, through it courts, is playing "Big Pimp Daddy-Enforce-Bill-Collector-Hitman" here!

          '2) There is just about ZERO "equality between the sexes" here! (See below).

          See http://reason.com/blog/2016/03/18/florida-jury-awards-115-million-to-hulk# Florida Jury Awards $115 Million to Hulk Hogan in His Gawker Lawsuit… About Hooker Hulk Hogan… “Hooker Hulk” gets $115 MILLION, v/s “Spermy Daniels” gets only $130 K, for each of them being skanky hos. The MALE skanky ho gets almost THREE orders of magnitude more money!!! How is THAT for sexual equality?!

          But what gets my bowels in an uproar even more, is that through the courts and policemen enforcing court orders and/or contracts here in these kinds of cases, Government Almighty is the Pimp Daddy and hit-man enforcer of it all! And then they go and jail $50 and $100 poor hookers, to “protect us from trafficking in sex slaves”.

          If Government Almighty is going to be the Big Pimp Daddy and hit-man enforcer, for the rich and famous, then could they PLEASE stop being hypocrites, and stop punishing the “little people” for doing the same things!??!

          SIDE-BAND SNIDE COMMENT:

          As a socio-economic and sexual-political experiment, I think someone should get Hooker Hulk Hogan to fuck Spermy Daniels. Which of the two would owe how much money, to the other?

          MAIN COMMENT:

          I think I have fingered out WHY does Government Almighty play Big Pimp Daddy to the rich and famous, while punishing the dirt-poor hookers?! When $130 k or $115 million gets thrown around, Government Almighty gets to tax the payment and the lawyers, and grab at least 1/3 of it. Easy-peasy on the big transactions… When a small-time hooker turns a trick “under the table” (a kinky place to do it!), it is MUCH harder to collect! Especially if he or she is paid in smack or crack or Ripple wine…

          I am UTTERLY crushed to have fingered out that Government Almighty (which claims to LOVE me and want to PROTECT me from sleazy sex), is actually just wanting to line its own wallet!!!

          1. Zeb   1 year ago

            How are those comparable situations?

            1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

              "Mike Parsons
              In general, the stiffing comes right before the paying off"

              Hookers and pimps! Government Almighty, through it courts, is playing “Big Pimp Daddy" to skanky hos, male and female alike! Butt the MALE hos get almost 3 orders of magnitude and skankytude MORE payoff!!! And THEN Government Almighty nags us all about sexual equality, and equal pay for equal work!!!

              1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

                SQRLSY saw Stormy Daniels and the result is the diatribe above so he can sneak in Spermy Daniels and fall all over himself/They'reself laughing. Tim, softly plays his magic flute in the background.

                1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

                  I told ya so!!!!

                  The Sad Saga of the Stolen Erections

                  And lo, it came to pass, that Tim the Enchanter blew upon His Magic Flute, and led me to a secret cave (the Cave of Caerbannog), whereupon mystic runes carved into the very living rock foretold of a day to come.

                  This sad, sad day has now manifested itself, just as foretold. The Promised One had been delivered to us, and was to fertilize His Queen, Spermy-Stormy Daniels, in an amazing scene; a glaze of Vaseline. Their offspring were to be called Strumpets… Which is a concatenation of Stormy and Trump. They were to number in the millions… About 332 million; enough for all residents of the USA to be issued one Strumpet per each resident, to sit on his or her right shoulder, and make sure that each resident stayed WAAAY Righteous. Each Strumpet was to progressively exert more and more Righteousness Control over each resident, by covering them in Strumpet Vines.

                  Sad to say, the Bad Bider-Grunch stole Trumpsmas AND Trump’s Erections! The stolen erections prevented the birth of the 332 million Strumpets, in the world’s WORST mass murder (genocide) so far! Even Saint Babbitt could NOT save the Strumpets!

                  This is the Sad Tale of the Demise of the USA!

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                    Raising the white flag of surrender there, Sqrlsy?

                    1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

                      Don't blame MEEEE!!! That's not fair!!! Blame the Bad Bider-Grunch, who stole Trumpsmas AND Trump’s Erections!

            2. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 year ago

              You read that?

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        No, the DNC would rather that Trump satisfied his urges on Epstein's island, where they could keep an eye on things.

        1. DesigNate   1 year ago

          It would have made him much more manageable, like so many of the other “elites”.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    ...in essence banned most short-term rental Airbnbs from being able to operate legally within the five boroughs.

    New York City is going to have to try just a little harder to kill New York City. Just a little.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      Is marketing your spare bedroom one night at a time like selling looseys?

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Don't worry, Boston is ahead of the curve here. There's a council member wanting people to take in migrants into their personal homes as the shelters reach capacity.

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

        Seattle beat them to it several years ago, wanted to require "spare" rooms and garage attics be used for housing the homeless. It didn't pass, IIRC, by some miracle.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          Hey, your "spare" rooms do not belong to you! Why else would you call them spare?

          1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

            I'm tired of these jokes, Jack.

            1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

              Who said it was a joke?

      2. Minadin   1 year ago

        I think they should try that.

        We might actually finally get a 3rd Amendment Supreme Court case, for one, and second, I'm sure it will be a real hit with the local voters.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

          Who had 3A violations on his/her 2024 bingo card?

          1. BYODB   1 year ago

            Honestly, that's been on my card for a while now.

            Not that it matters, since these aren't U.S. troops which that amendment is pretty clear on that particular prohibition.

            It doesn't say anything about being forced to quarter, for example, illegal aliens that you'd be put in jail for hiring.

            1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

              Yeah, our forefathers either didn't see that one coming or didn't think anyone would really propose it, but of course the idea of personal property and liberty were long established symbiotes in English Common Law.

              1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

                Actually, pretty well established even on the Continent at the time of the Constitution. Somewhere this went off the track.

              2. GroundTruth   1 year ago

                There's always that pesky 9th amendment.

                Seriously, we really do need a good, solid 9th case to get the point made about how this government was supposed to work. (From "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes" to "To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for
                carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other
                Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of
                the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof". That's about it. A rather short list. Most of the foolishness coming out of DC is not on that list. And, thanks to incorporation, most of the foolishness coming out of Boston, Albany, Sacremento, etc. should be thrown out too.)

  5. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    The SuperPAC backing Robert F. Kennedy Jr. ran an actually great Super Bowl ad...

    Ladies and gentlemen, we have our spoiler.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      DNC: Hold my Bud Light!

      1. Stuck in California   1 year ago

        In a 10 oz can?

  6. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

    "In Alberta, kids under the age of 16 will no longer be eligible to receive puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones, while sex-change surgeries will be limited to those 18 and older," reports the Calgary Herald.

    How in the fuck is this controversial?

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      When did the vocabulary switch to "change surgery?"

      1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

        You mean instead of "gender affirming care"?

        Change surgery is accurate, GAC is leftist propaganda.

      2. Zeb   1 year ago

        Or switch back. Isn't "sex change" what it was always called until lie 3 years ago?

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

          They intentionally omit sex here since gender surgery requires the physical appearance of DNA markers formed by the opposite of the victims sex.

          1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

            I'm not a fan of calling it "sex-change". You cannot change your sex. Voluntary genital mutilation to fulfill a perverse fetish. (when it comes to males) When it's done to women it's mostly peer pressure and grooming.

            1. R Mac   1 year ago

              Genital mutilation is the proper term.

    2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Trudeau is shitting his pants publicly, even though Saskatchewan and Manitoba already have the same rules, but he's always hated Alberta and never tried to hide it.

      Could you imagine having a US president who is always going on about how he hates the people of Nebraska and that they have to be stopped from wrecking the country? The man is a psychopath.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Well, maybe not Nebraska, but the Nazis in Kansas have to go.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        He's hated from Vancouver Island to St. John's.

        https://ussanews.com/2024/02/11/its-official-justin-trudeau-is-hated-in-canada-from-coast-to-coast/

        Why is NDP leader Jagmeet Singh working for Justin Trudeau, when his role is to function as his competitor?

        In a sense, Mr. Singh is even more privileged than Mr. Trudeau. Six years as party leader comes with a decline of twenty previously-held seats at the table of Parliamentary representation. That these years are devoid of criticism from media speaks to the special status that Singh maintains.

        After RCMP warn protest could escalate, Trudeau cancels appearance on Vancouver Island. One hundred Vancouver police sent to protect Trudeau after protest surrounds restaurant. Protesters gather outside Calgary hotel where Trudeau is staying. Trudeau faces protest during long-term care announcement in Saskatoon. The PM is heckled by protesters in Manitoba.

        Prime Minister Trudeau confronted by an angry mob as he left a building in Quebec. Trudeau cuts appearance in Belleville, Ontario as protesters swarm motorcade. The PM is heckled as he leaves New Brunswick event. Trudeau told to ‘get out of our province’ by protesters in Nova Scotia.

        Jagmeet Singh, whose NDP party control a mere seven percent of seats in Parliament, is holding 40 million Canadian voters hostage by way of a “supply and confidence” agreement with the Liberals.

        Naturally, if media eschew this concept, they have been freed from delving into reasons why Jagmeet Singh now works for Justin Trudeau. Lacking insider information, Cultural Action Party[est.2016] briefly speculate on reasons why.

        The two parties leaders may not work for the same party, but on an ideological basis, they are functioning as “siamese twins” of democratic degeneration. With personal visions for Canadian society aligned, the party leaders are gunning to re-configure Canada into a condition first alluded to by Trudeau’s “post-modern state” declaration.

        #FuckTrudeau

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          As young men Singh and Trudeau attended the WEF's Young Leaders of Tomorrow school at the same time. They were classmates. They're the same product released under different brand names.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

            Yeah, just like the Ford Pinto and Mercury Bobcat. Either way, you get a back seat barbecue.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

            Which one is Dr. Pepper and which one is Mr. Pibb?

            1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

              They're both competing store brands.

              1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

                Bottled at the same factory.

              2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                One's Dr Pepper/7Up and the other's Coca Cola.

                It's more like Dr K versus Sam's Choice.

                1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

                  Yeah I shouldn't have said competing stores. Store brands from the same store.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          How dare those Canadian citizens threaten democracy.

          1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

            It's not just in America, it's across the Western world. The elites have overplayed their hands so bad that the little guy is pushing back. But rather than admit their mistakes, the elites try to lock down the pushback and call it 'protecting democracy™'. They either start paying attention, or history says it won't be long before it's pitchfork and torches time, and sitting up the Guillotine in the public square. Which will be a really bad thing because those kind of revolts tend to become as bad if not worse than what they're replacing.

            1. rbike   1 year ago

              Umm, our senators spent the weekend working on Ukraine funding. The feds are not interested in helping US citizens except their own graft.

              1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

                Which is my point. The elites aren't listening and wondering why people are pissed off.

      3. JesseAz   1 year ago

        I mean we all saw Bidens red speech.

      4. Jerry B.   1 year ago

        Well, the Democrats hate anywhere they don't live. Per them Mississippi consists only of MAGA hat White supremacists, although the population is around 40% non-White.

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          He may allude to it, but Biden doesn't tell the rest of the country that Mississippi, specifically, is the source of all the country's problems, because that would be psychotic.
          Trudeau does that about Alberta.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            What about Florida?

            (Texas would be more analogous, but the DNC is hoping to turn them.)

            1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

              I mean he actually goes on TV and says "Albertans are a danger to you and we have to stop them".

              The Democrats may allude to it, but they don't come right out and say that about Texas and Florida, naming them. They'll blame DeSantis or something, but not the people by name.

              1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

                Not sure which is worse, the Democrats strongly implying it, and secretly hating it, or coming right out and saying it. In fact, I kinda prefer the latter, place the cards on the table. Doesn't make it right but at least it's more honest than what the Democrats do.

      5. Minadin   1 year ago

        Trudeau says that what Pierre Poilievre "is proposing to do is to make Canada great again. That is not what Canadians want."

        https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1755321145149067371

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

          Trudeau and Singh need to exit their posts, resign, take the next plane to Cuba, and politely fuck off.

    3. Jerry B.   1 year ago

      It's good, anyway.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    ...though voters 65 and over were slightly less likely to judge him as too old," reports The New York Times.

    Fortunately for him that's the most reliable voter bloc.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

      Unfortunately Covid killed them all.
      Fortunately they are still on the rolls.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        If somebody died twice from covid do they get to vote twice? Asking for a major political party machine.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

          In Chicago, the answer is "yes".

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            Every family member and friend gets to vote as that person in Chicago.

          2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

            Or "underachiever".

  8. Ajsloss   1 year ago

    Biden piggybacking on Elizabeth Warren... seems like a good way to win over independents.

    1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

      Biden piggybacking on Elizabeth Warren

      Horrifying visual.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Where's my eye bleach?!?

      2. Ajsloss   1 year ago

        I didn't say beast-with-twobacking her.

        1. Dillinger   1 year ago

          you didn't then ...

    2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      C'mon, man! People are eating breakfast about now!
      🙂
      😉

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      The lamest part is that the 30-second attention span of the American voter has led to a general amnesia of the fact that this sort of thing has been noticed for the last 15 years or so. Fuck, even Zerohedge had commented on it.

      And here comes Warren riding in on her Horse Of Color, proclaiming that people are getting screwed on the amount of food they're paying for, as if this is some sort of phenomenon that just happened in the last 2 years, just so she can crack her nanny scold whip.

      1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

        just so she can crack her nanny scold whip.

        Again - Horrifying visual.

  9. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Mass is complaining about cost of migrants, must be alt right.

    For the next fiscal year, the state estimates it will cost $915 million to keep the emergency shelters running.

    https://archive.is/gTBlb

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      Denver mayor is shutting down services for citizens to pay for illegal immigrants.

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/immigration/2849076/denver-mayor-reduction-services-offset-migrants/

      Must be an alt right mayor.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        New York is shifting illegals directly to welfare.

        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2849279/democratic-councilman-blasts-hochuls-endless-handouts-as-new-york-enrolls-thousands-of-migrants-on-welfare/

        The comment comes after the state’s Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance modified its “Safety Net Assistance” program’s eligibility rules to include non-citizens with pending applications for legal asylum status. The program allows the state to use taxpayer dollars to give cash payments to asylum-seekers who don’t qualify for traditional assistance.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

        The best part about Abbott doing this is that it's nerfing the whole "In this house we believe no human being is illegal...", "build bridges not walls!", "we have to have compassion and help our neighbors" ethic of pathological altruism at the moment. No one other than the activists at this point are interested in peacocking about this, because they're seeing the direct effects of unfettered immigration in real time.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          Don't think of closing schools and community centers or longer wait times at medical providers as negatives. Think of this as more quality time you can spend with your kids. And thank a migrant.

    2. Randy Sax   1 year ago

      But the only reason people don't want mass illegal immigration is because they are horrible, evil racists. There couldn't possibly be any other argument.

    3. Longtobefree   1 year ago

      Must be fake news.

      https://reason.com/volokh/2024/02/11/immigration-could-reduce-the-deficit-by-at-least-1trillion-over-the-next-ten-years/

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        CBO models are always fake news to be fair.

      2. Jerry B.   1 year ago

        But if you dig down, that's mostly due to legal immigration by skilled immigrants, not people who don't speak the language and have no real skills besides subsistence farming or growing coca leaves.

        1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

          Yeah, it's another bait and switch article on immigration brought to you by Daddy Koch.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    You don't demonstrate your seriousness that Trump is an existential threat to democracy by going through the motions to renominate an 81-year-old with a 38% approval rating who 75% of voters think is too old...

    To be fair De Santis was being set up to be the most existential threat to democracy (™) so that narrow brush was going to be used no matter what.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

      "DeSantis is even scarier than Trump!" warnings began before Trump had left office. 🙂

      1. Super Scary   1 year ago

        He made Disney cry!

    2. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      He was never a threat to democracy, he was a threat to (some) of their power/money grifts, and that cant be tolerated

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      When your only tool is a senile old man that nobody likes then every problem is a bunch of Nazis.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Naturally, the Biden campaign has joined TikTok to try to curry favor with the young.

    Cue the Please Don't Make Me Vote for Joe Biden pajama dancer.

  12. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

    "You don't demonstrate your seriousness that Trump is an existential threat to democracy by going through the motions to renominate an 81-year-old with a 38% approval rating who 75% of voters think is too old without giving anyone a choice because that's just how things are done."

    A solid VP pick in 2020 would let Biden step aside gracefully after serving one term. But Democrats had to go the affirmative action route.

    #KamalaSucks

    1. Longtobefree   1 year ago

      Yes, yes she did.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

      #KamalaSucks

      Yeah, we all know how she got each of her jobs.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        And here I thought she blows.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          Your wife is doing it wrong.

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            What if it's hot?

        2. Jerry B.   1 year ago

          "Suck, Kamala, suck. Blow job is just a figure of speech."

  13. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    Some commercial ships that must go through the Red Sea are making their crews all-Muslim to try to protect against Houthi attacks.

    "Why are all our ships blowing up from the inside before they even make the Red Sea now???"

    1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

      JUST KIDDING.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

        Islamists are all about selective targeting.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

          As long as it's a proportional response.

    2. JesseAz   1 year ago

      If there is one thing we know about Muslims is they would never kill each other.

      1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

        No Shiite.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

          They'd Sunni do it rather than later.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

            Wahhabi up with dat?
            🙂
            😉

            1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

              I didn't Shia that one coming.

              1. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

                Salafi, Salami, Baloney.
                🙂
                😉

        2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          Who said that, Sufi Sales?
          🙂
          😉

      2. Beezard   1 year ago

        I didn’t hear about this, what a kurd?

  14. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Turley weighs in on Hur and Biden.

    https://jonathanturley.org/2024/02/10/that-is-not-the-judgment-of-the-press-president-biden-and-his-staff-call-the-media-to-heel-with-disinformation-campaign/

    What was striking, however, was the degree to which President Biden and his staff spent this week putting out clearly false statements. In an administration that has pushed for the censorship of citizens accused of disinformation, misinformation, and malinformation, the President openly lied about his conduct and the report.

    President Biden, for example, stated that the Special Counsel report found that he did not willfully retain material. It found the opposite . . . repeatedly.

    He stated that he did not disclose classified material to his ghostwriter. Special Counsel Hur found precisely the opposite.

    Biden stated that the material was not highly classified with “that red stuff…around the corners.” In fact, Hur found that the material was “highly sensitive,” including an Afghanistan-related memo from the National Security Adviser to President Barack Obama in 2009 marked “TOP SECRET/SCI” (Sensitive Compartmented Information).

    Biden stated that all of the material was kept in locked or lockable filing cabinets. That was a lie. As the pictures vividly demonstrated, Hur found material in unlocked areas and virtually spilling out of torn boxes in his garage.

    1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

      This was nothing more than a political witch-hunt. Totes different regarding Trump.

      - Democratic party all weekend

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        And Sullum.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

          Sullum isn't a progtards?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

            He at the very least allies with them when the subject is Trump. TDS does weird things to people. Just take a look at a certain commenter from Maine here.

    2. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

      It is (D)ifferent than POTUS Trump's document case. That is what they tell us.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Dude, everything is (D)ifferent.

  15. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    In Alberta, kids under the age of 16 will no longer be eligible to receive puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones...

    Who told Canuckistan it could be based.

  16. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Politico out with a report showing White House trying to influence DoJ and Garland to more quickly go after Trump.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/09/white-house-frustration-with-garland-grows-00140813

    1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

      Wow, now Garland is a partisan for the Republicans? Really?

      1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

        Who won't they throw under the boss for even suggesting that the emperor may not be fully clothed?

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

      I think jfree or some similar doosh called garland “an honest man” recently.

      He may need to reassess now that garland has gone all ultra MAGA.

  17. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Democrats continue to protect democracy by kicking all non democrats off ballots.

    CBS News
    @CBSNews
    The DNC announced that it is filing a Federal Election Commission complaint against Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s independent presidential campaign and the super PAC supporting him on allegations the two are colluding to get Kennedy ballot access.

    1. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

      Is an organization openly supporting a candidate "colluding"? "Collusion" is defined as covert, secret support. The Democrats lately like to throw around that word to make normal relationships have a sinister air to them.

    2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Nothing more (D)emocratic than one party rule.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        A yard sign coming soon.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   1 year ago

    And President Joe Biden released a strange video about how snack portions have gotten smaller while prices have stayed the same...

    "That's what I love about these high school girls, man."

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      "I get older, they stay the same age."

      1. THX1138   1 year ago

        "Yes they do...yes they do."

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          Don't violate the formula*.

          *In case you don't remember, that's half your age plus seven.

          1. Social Justice is neither   1 year ago

            But what if I identify as an 18 year old? What if I've forgotten what year it is or what my age is?

            Asking for a Democrat friend.

        2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

          As Costello said to Abbott: "Hey! She's catching up!"
          🙂
          😉
          Abbott and Costello He is 40, She is 10
          https://youtu.be/PLjq3I8ZyMo?si=zKFCElKTcBVGoOMG

    2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago

      It was the inflation of the money supply under both Trump and Biden "Stimulus" that raised the cost of the capital and ingredients that go into making the snacks.

      Between this and market pressure to try and keep prices down, of course the portion sizes and possibly even quality will go down!

      It's you fault too, Biden, so shut up and eat your chintzy-sized bag of Werther's, you old fart! And stop saying: "Hey, little girl! Want some candy?"

      1. DesigNate   1 year ago

        It’s been happening for decades now, not sure you can peg it to just one administrations inflationary policies.

        1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

          But it sure feels like we're getting pegged.

          1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

            And we didn't ask for it and she isn't using lube.

            1. DesigNate   1 year ago

              Oh come on, you’ll learn to love it!

        2. TheReEncogitationer   1 year ago (edited)

          To a degree, but with Trump and Biden both, the inflationary funny money has built up quickly like an enormous bag of pus.

          Either a long antibody regimen and gentle poultice is needed to get it down slowly or it’s going to bust and spread deadly MRSA through the whole body politic.

          1. DesigNate   1 year ago

            I think we’re already at this stage.

  19. JesseAz   1 year ago

    State if our Universities.

    YAF
    @yaf
    .
    @UCSF
    invited Dante King to speak on "Diagnosing Whiteness."
    .
    He claims that "whites are psychopaths" and that white people "have it written in the law you can rape black women." He also makes excuses for black teenagers who commit violent crimes.
    .
    This is the modern university.
    (Video)

    https://twitter.com/yaf/status/1755993038545977827

    1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

      Me patiently waiting for them to start with the trains and camps. FAFO just how psychotic some white guys can be.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

      Same language used against the Jews in Europe.
      *awaits Misek's Nazi ramblings*

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      Scott adams was right

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Ha! As if a white guy can be right.

        1. JesseAz   1 year ago

          A racist white female like D'Angelo can be though.

    4. Square = Circle   1 year ago

      Encouragingly, reactions on the San Francisco subreddit are universally negative.

      1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

        It's amazing how many red pills people have been offered in the past couple years. What's really amazing is there are still some who buy this shit is not real or not a problem.

        1. Square = Circle   1 year ago

          Yeah - and this isn't some rando - this guy is actually the head of DEI for SF Metro Authority.

    5. Its_Not_Inevitable   1 year ago

      Will safe spaces be provided for white people that feel threatened?

      1. Square = Circle   1 year ago

        White people can't feel threatened, because they have all the power.

        Don't you even Anti-Racist, bro?

    6. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

      If white people really were psychopaths, who hate blacks, considering how many white people own guns, and how much we outnumber blacks in America, don't you think there'd be a lot less blacks in America?

  20. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

    But the most notable takeaway here isn't whether his anecdote really happened; it's that Trump felt comfortable signaling his disloyalty to NATO, and that he did it this way. A careful, well-informed critique of NATO this was not.

    Perhaps NATO serves no real purpose any longer, and it's past time to terminate the alliance as it currently exists.

    1. Longtobefree   1 year ago

      Tell me again what the NA part is about?
      Then explain Turkey's membership.

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        They are waiting to see how well it goes in South Africa.

      2. Ajsloss   1 year ago

        And another thing, how in the hell are California and Stanford going to be in the "Atlantic Coast Conference" (starting on August 2nd)?!

        1. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

          Hawaii is in the mountian west.

        2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

          The big 10 Ave more than 10 schools

        3. Longtobefree   1 year ago

          I guess geography is racist too.

        4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          Climate change?

        5. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

          Politically?

        6. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

          ACC will be pulling an IBM, and abandoning the notion that it's an acronym. It will just be "The ACC".

      3. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

        Turkey controls access to the black sea. That is the only reason they are in NATO.

        1. A Thinking Mind   1 year ago

          Black Sea, huh? Sounds pretty racist to me.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      I'm waiting for the libertarian case for western hegemony. Maybe Liz can pen that one for the April issue.

    3. SRG2   1 year ago

      "Perhaps NATO serves no real purpose any longer,

      a spokesman for Vladimir Putin said."

      I might have guessed that none of the supposed righties here could bring themselves to condemn Trump's remarks. Because the fact that Trump said it means it's now the right thing to believe. I say "believe" rather than "think" because no actual thought is taking place.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        "none of the supposed righties here could bring themselves to condemn Trump’s remarks."

        Why?

        Put it out there and tell this comments section for libertarians why we should condemn them.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        Keep in mind that the whole purpose of NATO was to oppose the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact; to contain communism. After the demise of both in 1991, NATO really served no real purpose. At that time, we probably should've extricated ourselves from such an alliance and made Europe provide 100% for its own defense.

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          Libertarians for Subsidizing Other Countries Militaries.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            And for war in general.

      3. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Please shrike, make the libertarian case for foreign intervention.

        1. SRG2   1 year ago

          I'm still not shrike, you lying POS.

          The pragmatic libertarian case for foreign intervention rests on whether you accept the principle that it's a good idea for a country to have allies.

          Now why don't you make the Trumpist case for encouraging Russia to attack allies whose defence budgets aren't big enough. (I assume that even you are not so Trump-besotted that you will defend his belief that there's a pot that NATO members have to pay into else they're delinquent, so I will let you defend the version adjusted for reality.)

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            So having allies not funding their own defense and relying on overspending by the US to subsidize their own defense is libertarian shrike?

          2. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

            Yeah, interlocking alliances worked out so well in 1914.

            1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

              Managed to turn a spat between Serbia and the Austro-Hungarian Empire into a war that killed how many millions of people?

              1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

                Situational alliances: good. Long term, mutual defense pacts have a history of turning minor conflicts into major conflicts. But, hey, who cares about history anyhow.

              2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                You can lay that blame at the foot of Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf, who, incidentally, turned out to be one of the least effective commanders once the war actually started. Idiot wants war and can't actually do war.

                1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago (edited)

                  Oh, I lay the blame on a lot of people. France forming an alliance with Russia because they got all butthurt that Germany kicked their ass in 1871 and demanded France give back Alsace, that they France took contrary to the Peace of Westphalia didn’t help matters. Britain getting mad that Germany was building battleships (not that Germany came even close to to matching the Royal Navy), the Kaiser not realizing building battleships threatened England. Victoria, well fuck because she obviously didn’t teach her grandchildren to play nice with each other. Moltke the younger who didn’t realize the the weakness of the Schleifen plan and compounded that by tinkering with it. Kluck who allowed a gap to form that the French exploited. Franz Ferdinand’s driver who got lost. The Hapsburgs, just because. Hotzendorf was a terrible commander but the Emperor didn’t relieve him until it was really to late. Yeah, definitely blame the Hapsburgs.

          3. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

            And you admit they aren't paying their fair share so why should America pay to defend them? How many American troops stationed or on 'TDY' that really isn't that temporary, in Europe right now?

            1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago (edited)

              I know it’s a decent portion of the 1st Cav Div, 4th ID and 1st ID, since all the kids my son graduated from AIT with who were assigned to those units (supposedly at Riley and Hood) are instead in Poland. They never got to see Kansas or Texas either, after they graduated. It was on the bus and that big aluminum bird to Poland.

              1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

                It's almost like all those 11B who graduated from the old infantry school (AKA Tiger land) at Ft Polk before 1972.

      4. DesigNate   1 year ago

        Ah, so it’s going to be America: World Police after all.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

          Fuck yeah!

          1. DesigNate   1 year ago

            Comin along to save the motherfuckin day yeah!

        2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

          Buncha reckless dicks.

          1. Beezard   1 year ago

            Dicks also fuck assholes, chuck…

    4. Nobartium   1 year ago

      Retract the nuclear umbrella tomorrow.

      Those that pay are friendly, all others are on their own.

  21. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

    The Butlerian Jihad begins early.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/crowd-sets-waymo-driverless-car-ablaze-lawless-san-francisco

    A Waymo self-driving car was targeted and deliberately set ablaze by a group of people in San Francisco's Chinatown on Saturday evening. This incident is part of a rising trend of hostility towards autonomous vehicles, highlighted by an individual late last year on X: "The AI crusades have begun."

    Local media outlet NBC Bay Area reports the self-driving Jaguar was traveling on Jackson Street, between Stockton and Grant, around 2100 local time when 10 to 15 people attacked it.

    Then someone tossed fireworks inside the vehicle, and that's when the fireworks show began.

    1. Longtobefree   1 year ago

      So the AI is dumb enough to 'drive' in San Francisco with a window down?

      1. mad.casual   1 year ago

        I remain unconvinced that the AI Jaguar didn't set fire to itself.

        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

          After smashing its own window.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        AI can experience emotion. Like "damn it's stuffy in here".

      3. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

        I'm telling you, AI is going to turn out less Skynet and more Marvin the android.

        1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

          If I was designing an AI system, I may even have it use the voice of the late great Alan Rickman (maybe the best part of that movie adaptation). That man had range. Action, drama, comedy, fantasy, sci-fi, period piece. Maybe one of his best performances is one that a lot of people overlook, Galaxy Quest. His character definitely captures both Patrick Stewart and Leonard Nimoy post Trek.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      How do they know it was targeted, and not just mor sf car break ins

    3. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

      Didn't realize the Butlerian Jihad would be run by common vandals.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      Today, self-driving cars! Tomorrow, mechanical looms!

      1. Jerry B.   1 year ago

        Time to get out the wooden shoes.

    5. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Creative destruction?

    6. SRG2   1 year ago

      Did these vandals also get rid of their laptops and smartphones?

      1. DesigNate   1 year ago

        Pfft.

  22. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

    So Robert Kennedy is invoking nostalgia of people over 70 for his uncle? That is a very niche voting bloc.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      There's still this gauzy halo over the Kennedy administration that's passed down for decades, particularly the Boomer pretense that America would be on a better track if he hadn't been killed. Robert getting shot just solidified the impression, because a lot of Boomer 20-somethings saw him as the Great Lefty Hope to keep JFK's legacy going. The mainstream media in particular were absolutely traumatized by it, because the Kennedys were cult figures for them, and they passed that down to their acolytes for the next 40 years.

      So yeah, it's a niche voting bloc, but it's still influenced pretty much every media-supported Democrat presidential campaign from LBJ to Obama.

      1. Mickey Rat   1 year ago

        I don't disagree with that, That weird idolatry of John and Robert Kennedy always seemed more a projection than the reality of the two men. However, the commercial was extremely late fifties/early sixties motif which seems ancient, even to someone who grew up in the seventies.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          Yeah, he should have gone with a more mid-late 90s vibe to it. There's a nostalgia wave for that going on right now, and it would have appeal to a lot more people than a bunch of Boomers in the retirement home.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            Yeah, but the Clintons seem a lot less Camelot-y.

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

              Clinton was aping Kennedy to such an extent it's almost embarrassing, right down to the tomcatting.

              At least Jackie was a looker who simply wanted to be a kept woman for some rich dude, rather than an entitled, power-mongering harridan with delusions of grandeur.

          2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 year ago

            Kennedy reportedly wanted a “Friends” theme, but since the creator of the show was so ashamed about it being way too white, they scrapped it.

      2. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

        It's amazing how many people buy this myth. First, JFK barely won his election (quite possibly he didn't but Nixon, as power hungry as people describe him didn't really challenge it). Second, he was in for a tough re-election. Third, despite the rosy myth, he actually did end up caving during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Soviets based those missiles largely in retaliation for the US basing mid range nucs in Turkey. The Soviets removed them after Kennedy agreed to remove the nucs from Turkey. The whole embargo thing really showed the Soviets didn't want a direct military confrontation, because, by international law the US really didn't have the authority to place the embargo. My Uncle was down there at the time, he was a Naval intelligence, radio cryptography, intercepting and decoding Soviet and Cuban radio signals and he has hinted that there was a lot of shit that will likely never make it into the history books. Also as an aside, my cousin, his oldest, has a master's in Mandarin Chinese, was interviewing for a job with the State Department, several of the family was called by the FBI for his security clearance. Suddenly, he has this job working for an export company (lumber from the PNW to China) that he never applied for. Gee, I've always wondered about that coincidence. And now he works for Microsoft (they've never hired spooks, ever truly).

  23. JesseAz   1 year ago

    Trump seems "gripped by the stubbornly ignorant belief, even after four years in office, that NATO is some sort of protection racket, in which our European allies come to Washington like quivering shopkeepers and make an offering to the local mob boss from their weekly receipts," writes The Atlantic's Tom Nichols.
    .
    "NATO funding doesn't work that way, of course, and while European leaders no doubt had their arguments in private with Trump while he was president, it is highly unlikely that the leader of a major power 'stood up'—as if in some sort of audience with Trump—to ask him if he'd stop a Russian invasion of a country 'delinquent' in its accounts."

    I mean Europe refuses to live up to their side of the pact. They utilize the US to compensate their choices. Not sure why this would be supported here. Hoping you are just quoting The Atlantic.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago (edited)

      Lost in all this noise about NATO’s obligations (which Trump is sperging out about in his usual shotgun style), is the text of the Bucharest Declaration from April 2008 that likely started up all of this drama. Shit, even I hadn’t heard about it until a couple of days ago, as it got almost no media attention at the time:

      NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO. Both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations. We welcome the democratic reforms in Ukraine and Georgia and look forward to free and fair parliamentary elections in Georgia in May. MAP is the next step for Ukraine and Georgia on their direct way to membership. Today we make clear that we support these countries’ applications for MAP. Therefore we will now begin a period of intensive engagement with both at a high political level to address the questions still outstanding pertaining to their MAP applications. We have asked Foreign Ministers to make a first assessment of progress at their December 2008 meeting. Foreign Ministers have the authority to decide on the MAP applications of Ukraine and Georgia.

      The thing about “red lines” is that you have to take action if they’re crossed once you put them down. Russia was pretty clear that these former territories were expected not to join NATO because it would be seen as an act of provocation against them, and here’s NATO explicitly stating that they’re going to incorporate them into the alliance.

      I’m sure once Putin saw this, he knew he had to take action or he’d be seen as weak by the Russian government and military. Anyone remember what happened not to long after that? From the Atlantic Council itself:

      On August 8, 2008, Russian forces began the invasion of Georgia, marking the start of Europe’s first twenty-first century war. The conflict itself was over within a matter of days, but the repercussions of the Russo-Georgian War continue to reverberate thirteen years on, shaping the wider geopolitical environment. The international reaction to Russia’s military campaign in Georgia was to prove remarkably muted, with Moscow suffering few negative consequences. On the contrary, EU leaders led calls for a ceasefire that appeared to favor Russian interests, while the US under the new Obama administration was soon calling for a reset in relations with the Kremlin. Understandably, many in Moscow interpreted this accommodating approach as an informal invitation for further acts of aggression in Russia’s traditional sphere of influence. Six years after the Russo-Georgian War, Russia embarked on a far more comprehensive military campaign against Ukraine, where Moscow continues to occupy Crimea and large swathes of eastern Ukraine’s Donbas region. The 2008 Russo-Georgian War is now widely recognized as a landmark event in the transition from the era of post-Soviet cooperation between Russia and the West towards today’s Cold War climate. The Atlantic Council invited a range of experts to share their views on the legacy of the conflict and its impact on the international security environment.

      Note there is NO mention of the Bucharest Declaration just a few months earlier. This was also four years after the “Rose Revolution” in the same country ousted the Russian puppet in favor of a US puppet. Guess who was the face of that effort?

      Mikheil Saakashvili (also known as Misha in Georgia; born 21 December 1967) is a Georgian and Ukrainian politician and jurist.

      The Orange Revolution happened not too long after that--another color revolution fomented by the CIA. Gee, wonder why Putin’s been taking back Ukrainian territories the last few years after annexing Georgian territories in 2008?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago (edited)

        Note that I’m not saying the US shouldn’t have tried to expand its influence there. But it should have been done with eyes wide open as to how Russia would see this as an blatant infringement on its own sphere of influence, especially with a highly competent former KGB agent in charge of the country, and react accordingly. We wouldn’t have reacted any differently if Russia had interfered and manipulated elections in Mexico or Canada for the purpose of growing its military alliances (leaving aside, of course, that Canada is effectively a vassal of China now).

        1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

          What part of being an independent country makes it proper for Putin to tell Ukraine what to do and not do?

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago (edited)

            Like that’s ever fucking mattered since the end of World War II. Shit, you know how many color revolutions we’ve fomented since the late 80s all by ourselves? Or all the Cold War CIA-led ops?

            This is what larger powers do--they manipulate and control smaller countries for their own benefit. It's been going on for millennia, and will continue to go on. And the US shouldn't be shocked that their gamemanship in the region might have resulted in an aggressive response from Russia.

            1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

              Probably not most of them, but sure a lot of them. I never said our hands were clean.

              Government sucks. That's the real lesson.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                "You don't throw rocks at a man who's got a machine gun"--Rowdy Roddy Piper

                1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

                  Hold my beer -- The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress

        2. Beezard   1 year ago (edited)

          My complaint isn’t even that we aided Ukraine vs. Russia after the invasion. Of course we were going to. But you do it the old way. PRETEND that you aren’t. That way, you’re not so much on the hook politically once things go tits up. This “all in for the current thing”, world wide reaction just fucked everything up now that reality is setting in and Russia is winning by attrition.

          Also, Ukraine was doing way better popping out from trees and hitting a tank here or there. The offensives (that we openly demanded and planned) were catastrophic.

          Even if you back pressing Russias buttons in their own backyard, this was all handled so god awfully.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        How did Trump orchestrate all of this?

        Seriously, I knew about Putin's Red Line, but did not know how provocative the EU and NATO acted in 2008. And I also seem confused about the bromance they had with Georgia and Ukraine, countries near the top of nasty, corrupt, icky places back then.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          Keep in mind the US had put our puppets in charge of those countries in 2004. They probably wanted to make sure they'd stay bought before announcing their intentions to incorporate them into NATO. Putin effectively cock-blocked them starting with the invasion of Georgia and subsequent annexation of Crimea, and so now those places are seen as too "hot" to add on.

          Putin doesn't give a shit about Finland, which is why it's part of NATO now. The hilarious part is that NATO could probably blunt Putin's military operations by allowing Poland to recreate part of the Polish empire by annexing the parts of Ukraine the Russians don't control, but then that would cause a lot of inter-cultural conflict because the reality is that the Poles and the Ukrainians don't really like each other. At all.

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            During WW2, with Nazi assistance, the Ukrainians from the East expelled the Poles from Galicia, now Western Ukraine, even though it was part of the original Polish homeland.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

              It always comes down to claims on homelands, and the centuries (millennia?) of past grudges. If we parse the geography fine enough, and go back far enough, then every village and valley probably has some claim to different allegiances (and every nationalist has a claim on every village).

            2. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

              I grew up being told I was Polish. My wife grew up being told she was Ukrainian specifically the Ternopil region. A while back my father told me that my grandfather actually immigrated from Galicia pre WW1. Looking at a map turns out we're both from Eastern Galicia now split between Poland and Ukraine. This is all early 20th century shit but for some reason my ancestors identified as Polish while her's identified as Ukrainian. It's all history lost to time but an example of the enduring ethnic identities in that part of the world.

              1. soldiermedic76   1 year ago

                Similar. My mother's family was from Prussia, per my Grandmother's genealogical research. My Dad teased my mom that meant we were Polish not German, since most of Prussia is now in Poland. But it turns out, we were actually Hessian but Prussia Annexed Hesse in the early 19th century. Per the census my Great-great Grandfather is listed on his first US census as from Hesse-Prussia, but every subsequent one just lists Prussia. We were also from minor nobility (actually related to the Marquis de Lafayette from that side of the family) so, I likely had family fighting for both sides during the American Revolution (Lafayette and, since the number one career for minor nobles from Hesse was mercenary officers, for the British).

              2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   1 year ago

                So how close of cousins are you?

              3. Beezard   1 year ago

                We had some of the family line from Galicia that came over in the very late 1800s. I think it was technically part of the Austrian-Hungarian empire? But they were identified as “Ruthenians”, sort of Ukrainians before they were Ukrainian. They were Orthodox. I guess the Catholics went with being polish.

            3. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

              That animosity goes back to the empire period, at least, and probably even back to the Huns coming in from the steppe. World War II was just the latest in a series.

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        "The 2008 Russo-Georgian War is now widely recognized as a landmark event in the transition from the era of post-Soviet cooperation between Russia and the West towards today’s Cold War climate."
        Yes that was the period when Russia accepted informal assurances from the US that NATO was not interested in expanding to their border. They even made overtures to join NATO. Today's cold war climate is exactly what the neocons wanted.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          Today’s cold war climate is exactly what the neocons wanted.

          Yeah, they've had this manic obsession to see Russia obliterated for decades now. Par for the course for a bunch of people that were influenced by ex-Trotskyites. Note that they have the opposite inclinations with China, despite the fact that China's influence and efforts are far more insidious than Russia's have been since 1991.

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

            Word.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            I wonder what they imagine a post-Russia world would look like? A bunch of Baltic-style states on the west, more Stanistans, and greater northern China?

            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago (edited)

              A bunch of client states under the thumb of the US, for the purpose of natural resource exploitation and political graft, same thing as they do with China and Ukraine, along with the further spreading of the globohomo gospel.

              That’s where a lot of this rage comes from as well, that Russia isn’t knuckling under to western leftist culture war propaganda. Too many of them read that idiot Fukyama’s book after the Warsaw Pact broke up and indulged in that stupid belief in historic determinism. They consider Russia a heretic in the communist revolution.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                I remember seeing that book by Fukuyama while in high school. Thought he was an idiot even back then. End of history, my ass. History marches on whether we acknowledge it or not. Needless to say, I got Huntington's book instead.

      4. Miss Ann Thrope (She/It)   1 year ago

        Didn't mean to flag you

  24. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

    And that should be a wrap.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/abc-news-poll-almost-90-believe-biden-isnt-fit-serve

    A poll conducted in the wake of probably the worst week of his Presidency has found that a whopping 86 percent of Americans do not feel Joe Biden is in good enough shape to serve another term.

    The poll also found that 73 percent, almost three quarters, of Democrats think Biden is too old to serve, and a whopping 91 percent of Independents feel the same way.

    Rather than focus on the figures with regards to Biden, the sitting President, the report goes to great lengths to include Trump, noting that “the figure includes 59% of Americans who think both [Biden] and former President Donald Trump, the Republican front-runner, are too old and 27% who think only Biden is too old.”

    Buried at the bottom of the article are findings of the poll that most Americans believe Trump would do a better job of handling immigration and the border than Biden by 44 to 26 percent, and the handling of crime (41%-28%), the economy (43%-31%) and inflation (41%-31%).

    Meanwhile, Biden yesterday posted a 30 second Super Bowl PSA complaining about the size of ice cream packaging.

    1. Longtobefree   1 year ago

      If the democrats let him run, he will 'win'.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        In the last election he got the highest number of votes in American history. Not Reagan, not Clinton, not Obama, but old Joe Biden.

        Wonder what heights he'll reach this time? First candidate to break one billion?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          110% of the popular vote!

          And is he still loses in the EC, the Democrats will blame Putin.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      Yeah, it's a given they were going to include Trump, but I've been saying since 2020 that one of the reasons he shouldn't have run is because he's too fucking old.

      I don't really give a shit about how competent a politician might be, put these guys out to pasture and make 75 the maximum age they can be in office. Grassley is fucking 90 years old, for god's sake, and even Pelosi is starting to show signs of losing it. If they can't trust the people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s to keep the train going, we're effectively fucked anyway and they're just holding off the inevitable.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      And if we apply a TDS filter, those Trump approval numbers are probably well above 2/3.

    4. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      But if Joe drops out shrinkflation will eat us alive.

  25. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

    Befor trump all of the talking heads would say that nato was a deal of we agree to defend Europe and Europe let's us. That only changed when trump called out nato, now those same people a pushing the nato good line solely because it's against trump

    1. SRG2   1 year ago

      alternatively, Putin was generally perceived as a bad guy, but once Trump came along and started praising him, his supporters decided that Putin was really okay, and if he is forced to invade Ukraine because of Obama, Pelosi, Hillary and Soros, they're the ones to blame, etc etc.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        You really either know nothing about NATOs activities in the last 30 years, or you're pretending you don't and are shilling for someone. Which is it?

        1. SRG2   1 year ago

          Nice misrepresentation. TBH I'd rather shill for NATO than for Putin. YMMV.

          1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            "Nice misrepresentation"

            How so? Explain.

            "I’d rather shill for NATO than for Putin"

            What's the difference? No seriously. Pretend your telling a Libyan or Afghani.

      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

        What the fuck are you talking about? Romney ran his presidential campaign on Russia bad and Obama laughed at him saying the Cold War is Over

      3. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

        "Putin was generally perceived as a bad guy"

        On which planet?

        1. SRG2   1 year ago

          All of them. Ex-KGB, authoritarian, etc. The question was whether he was tolerable even as a bad guy.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   1 year ago

            As pointed out ad nauseam elsewhere, Obama characterized that as outdated cold war thinking.

          2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            "All of them. Ex-KGB, authoritarian, etc."

            Remember when Putin arranged for his country's social media to censor support of his political opponents?
            Remember when Putin used crooked judges to remove his opponent from ballots in one of the republics?
            Remember when Putin conspired with crooked prosecutors to have his main political opponent charged with all sorts of crazy crimes that weren't even on the books or had never been charged before?

            Oh wait...

            What's the difference between Putin and you guys again?

      4. JesseAz   1 year ago

        The 80s called shrike....

  26. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

    The goal of law 18 is the same goal of the mortgage moratorium. Drive mom and pop landlords out of business so Blackrock can buy it all up on the cheep

  27. Spiritus Mundi   1 year ago

    More than you ever needed to know about death masks, from the BBC.

    My death mask protects you. Your death mask protects me.

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      From vampirism?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Have you had your garlic booster?

        1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

          The wooden stake rammed into my heart gave me an adverse reaction.

  28. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

    "President Non Compos Mentis."

    https://johnkassnews.com/president-non-compos-mentis/

    The world is on the edge of war. China is pushing us in the Pacific, Iran pushes us across the Middle East. Russia is taking Ukraine, despite our war party’s best effort to bring us to the edge of world war. And the president is not in possession of his right mind. He’s slow and senile and the world can see it.

    He is President Non Compos Mentis. That is lawyer talk, Latin for “of unsound mind.”

    But the special prosecutor appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland declined to press charges. Why? Biden is unfit to stand trial.

    He’s not fit to stand trial, but he’s fit to be president?

    You wouldn’t hire such a soft headed man to manage a Popeye’s Fried Chicken franchise, let alone task him to be the leader of the free world with China on the prowl. The fate of the United States is at stake.

    I talked about this to a man who spent his lifetime in American diplomacy and intelligence, studying the devious players of the Deep State.

    Here’s what he wrote weeks ago, before Biden’s prime-time disaster, in a prescient essay for the conservative website American Greatness.

    “The ‘Deep State’ and the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election: Down to the Crossroads”

    “One indication to watch for could be whether elements of Biden’s Department of Justice, which has so far worked hard to shield the President, begin to re-examine some of the corruption and other allegations of wrongdoing aimed at him…”

    One thing we do know is that Biden is done. Jill Biden, the stern Mrs. Wilson of this White House, decided a year or so ago that the old man would run for re-election. And so she pushed him out there because she loves power. Was he wearing his depends?

    He’s no longer useful. Look at him. He’s dried up, a bitter raisin. And his advisors are turning the screws.

    Who will they replace him with? The moron Vice President with the horrid cackling laugh? The hair boy Democratic governor of California dripping of hair products? Or the Gov. Jelly Belly of Illinois? How about my pick, Michelle Obama?

    In a recent ABC poll, 94 percent of Republicans, 69% of political independents and 21% of Democrats thinks Biden lacks the mental sharpness to be president.

    Just 33 percent think the 80-year-old Biden is fit enough. And 58 percent of American adults who lean Democrat want someone else.

    Is that Vice President Kamala Harris?

    No. She has a much softer brain than Biden, but she was selected not for her mental or administrative prowess, but because she had the right skin tone and she’s a woman.

    “Well, I think they’ve jumped the proverbial shark,” the classical historian Victor Davis Hanson said to Laura Ingraham on “The Ingraham Angle” on Fox News. “And I think right now there’s a lot of journalists who are saying I wanna get out of Dodge and I wanna go on record that I’ve always said I always believed he had mental problems… And I think they’re gonna try to be the first to say ‘I have integrity. I’m empirical. I’m disinterested.”

    “It’s gonna get worse and worse,” said Hanson, “and they don’t want to be the last person on the Biden-is-competent-train and I think they want to get off. I think a lot of people are going to say ‘I knew this whole time.’ ”

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      " I think a lot of people are going to say ‘I knew this whole time.’ ”
      The gentleman's agreement is hereby cancelled.

  29. Knutsack   1 year ago

    "'You didn't pay? You're delinquent?'" Trump recounted saying. '"No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage [Russia] to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.'"

    It's possible he meant Russia, but he said "them", correct? Liz inserts "[Russia]". So it is also possible he meant the NATO countries can "do whatever the hell they want", but if they don't pay, they don't get protection. I mean, Trump is not exactly known as the most precise speaker.

    I say this, and I'm not even a fan of Trump, but there is an obvious inclination to prescribe the absolute worst to him.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt to start.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

      Imagine a libritarian calling for someone to pay an agreed amount.

      1. Zeb   1 year ago

        Which libertarian is this now?

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

          All the old ones like rand, Murry, Friedman, Sowell, and rothbard

          1. Zeb   1 year ago

            OK. For a minute there I thought you were calling Trump a libertarian.

            1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

              Yep that could be read that way now that I look at it again

    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

      It’s possible he meant Russia, but he said “them”, correct?

      NATO was founded as an alliance to protect against Soviet aggression. The USSR collapsed, but NATO remained to protect Europe from Russia.

      I think it would be unreasonable to infer he meant anything other than Russia. What else could he have possibly meant?

      1. Knutsack   1 year ago

        Here's the quote:

        ‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?'” Trump recounted saying. ‘No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.'

        "Them" could be Russia. Or "them" could be the delinquents, meaning that the delinquents can do whatever the hell they want, but if they don't pay, they don't get protection.

        Again, I could be wrong, but it seems like maybe a follow-up question to Trump would be in order rather than prescribing the worst.

        1. Knutsack   1 year ago

          On second thought. You're probably right. I'm being too generous here. Trump is probably suggesting that he would go to Russia and tell them to run roughshod over anyone that hasn't paid.

          1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

            It might work and get them to pay up. Or it might result in war. Either way his defenders will defend him.

        2. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

          This

          https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-says-to-drink-lots-of-water-media-reports-as-deranged-trump-tells-everyone-to-drown-themselves

    3. Zeb   1 year ago

      Seems unlikely that it refers to the NATO countries as he is addressing them in the second person everywhere else.

    4. Ron   1 year ago (edited)

      this has been my understanding that when he said them he was talking about the NATO “them”. either way further in his comment he mentions that they did start to pay and note with the latest Russian incursion into Ukraine they have all beefed up their percentages

    5. Foo_dd   1 year ago

      just find the full quote to get the context. it was in response to the question "‘Well, sir, if we don’t pay and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?" once you know that, it is hard to imagine "them" being anything but Russia.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        “‘Well, sir, if we don’t pay and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?”

        ‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’‘No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’

        "He's eNcoUrAginG Russian agression."

        Stupidest take alive.

        1. Sevo   1 year ago

          It's the TDS-addled lefty shit Foo_dd; expect what you got.

        2. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

          Sounds familiar:

          https://twitter.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1756748125778145379

    6. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

      The press and Democrats (and no apparently Reason) will take Trump's words and rewrite them to fit their own narrative.

      President Donald Trump, jumping into the middle of a feud among House Democrats, called out progressive congresswomen in xenophobic terms on Sunday, saying, “Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.”

      Note specifically, Trump didn't say anything about home countries. Knowing that AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Cori Bush, etc. (i.e., most of the Squad except for Ilhan Omar) are all American-born, it seems quite reasonable that Trump meant that the Squad should focus on the problems in their own districts, all of which (e.g., Minneapolis, Detroit, Boston, St Louis...) can readily be characterized as "totally broken and crime infested places".

      But NYT, et al., all ran variants of

      "Trump Tells Congresswomen to 'Go Back' to the Countries They Came From"

      and proceeded to tut-tut over the fact that most of the Squad are "from America", and HOW DARE HE!

  30. Miss Ann Thrope (She/It)   1 year ago

    French president Macron said that the USA's number one priority is the USA. Damn right and that's the way it shouls be.

    He also said he wants Europe to be ready to stand on its own. Damn right!

    He should be president of Europe

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      The French have never forgotten that under Napoleon they owned the continent. They did forget that Wellington kicked Napoleon's ass.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        In fact, Biden talked about this at dinner with Napoleon last week.

      2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        The European Project was always the dream of men like Julius Caesar, Charlemagne, Napoleon and Hitler.

        The Brussels bureaucrats are in good company.

        1. Miss Ann Thrope (She/It)   1 year ago

          I'm not vouching for the validity of this article, but it ties the Nazis and the EU together.

          https://www.theeuroprobe.org/2023-032-the-timeline-of-the-eu/

  31. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago

    To quote Joe biden "age ain't nothing but a number if she 8, 18, or 30, i would screw her"

  32. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

    'This past September, (New York City) Local Law 18 went into effect, which in essence banned most short-term rental Airbnbs from being able to operate legally within the five boroughs.'

    When did they write the Migrant Exclusion?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      'A November report issued by the group RHOAR, Restore Homeowner Autonomy & Rights, found that more than 90 percent of former Airbnb host respondents are now struggling with paying mortgages and utility bills, which they attribute to the dried-up rental income and vacant rooms.'

      They need to get on on some of those sweet migrant housing dollars.

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

        Evicting the American renters is step 1.

        Bankrupting the American owners is step 2.

        Giving those houses to illegal immigrants is step 3.

        Giving citizenship to those new house owners is step 4.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

          Reelecting Democrats is step 5.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            We could make this easier and just let those proto-Democrats vote from their home countries.

            1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   1 year ago

              Would that be a Coasean bargain? How much would anti-immigrants pay to let them vote from their home country?

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      'Almost a third reported that they've been delaying important repairs because they cannot afford them right now.'

      Unpossible. Those migrant hordes are chock full of skilled craftsmen who bring all sorts of economic benefits.

      1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

        No economic downsides!!!

        1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

          Immigration is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS net positive.

          Or so I've been told.

      2. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Properties would be renting more quickly with an attached food truck.

  33. Rev Arthur L kuckland   1 year ago (edited)

    Why would voltswagon back away from their history? A majority of progressives and Gen zers agree with the nazis and the goal of the holocaust.

    Holy crap in typing this I realized one thing… Meisk was a trend setter.

  34. Ajsloss   1 year ago

    that NATO is some sort of protection racket, in which our European allies come to Washington like quivering shopkeepers and make an offering to the local mob boss from their weekly receipts

    In a true protection racket, aren't you paying the "protector" to not break your shit? In other words, this stupid analogy only works if the U.S. was threatening to invade Europe over missed receipts.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      " this stupid analogy only works if the U.S. was threatening to invade Europe over missed receipts."
      Interesting proposition. We have to pay off the debt somehow.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Hmm, I have offered to accept US real estate in lieu of my promised SS benefits, but will consider land overseas.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      The way it's supposed to work, you pay the protector to keep people from fucking with you, but if you don't pay, they can withdraw their protection and then burn your shit to the ground.

      "Fuck you, pay me" is the guiding principle.

      "Goodfellas" explained the process better than I ever could.

      1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

        The way it’s supposed to work, you pay the protector to keep people from fucking with you, but if you don’t pay, they can withdraw their protection and then burn your shit to the ground.

        In theory it's supposed to work that way, but in practice I thought it's pretty clear you're buying protection from the protector. Like, you're running a bakery with no trouble whatsoever, then Jimmy Two Thumbs shows up and says, "nice place you got here, it'd be shame if something happened."

  35. jimc5499   1 year ago

    The NATO Charter requires that member countries contribute a percentage of their GNP to fund it. They haven't. The US has been making up the difference for decades. Trump calls them out on it and he's the bad guy.

    Reason is becoming a joke.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Reason is becoming a joke.

      Becoming? Where have you been the last eight years?

    2. sarcasmic   1 year ago (edited)

      They’re not calling out Trump for telling NATO members to pay up. They’re calling him out for encouraging their enemies (Putin) to invade them.

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

        Where did he encourage Putin to invade them?

        You just gobble up narratives like they're coated in sugar, huh.

        1. sarcasmic   1 year ago (edited)

          Oh please. He’s saying that if NATO members ask for protection he’s going to not only tell them to get fucked, but he's going to tell those they seek protection from to do whatever they want.

          The hell else could that possibly mean?

          1. JesseAz   1 year ago

            So you think, as an honest commentstor here, Trump would get on the phone with Putin and work with him to attack NATO countries? Lol.

            1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

              So you think, as an honest commentstor here, Trump would get on the phone with Putin and work with him to attack NATO countries? Lol.

              When did telling NATO adversaries to do whatever they want become coordinating with Putin? That's a really dumb strawman.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

                HTF is that a strawman, Sarc? It's a straightforward question.

                1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                  It's a really stupid and dishonest question that need not be dignified with a direct answer. No wonder you're defending it.

          2. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

            The hell else could that possibly mean?

            Use your taxes for your own defense instead of "universal healthcare" and stop relying on the US to foot the global defense bill.

            1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

              He said two things. He say to NATO in second person pay your own way, and then he said to third persons do whatever you want. I don't think anyone is criticizing the first part. Yet the defense of what he said is to attack people for being against the first part.

              1. DesigNate   1 year ago

                Wasn’t this all supposedly in talks with fellow NATO nation states?

                Strongarming them doesn’t bother me if that’s the case.

          3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

            "The hell else could that possibly mean?"

            PAY YOUR BILLS!!!

            That's exactly what he meant. Fucking gibbering moron.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

              Telling a progressive to pay his bills (and suggesting he has an obligation to) is the worst form of Nazi fascism alt-right MAGA racism.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago (edited)

        They’re not calling out Trump for telling NATO members to pay up. They’re calling him out for encouraging their enemies (Putin) to invade them.

        Yeah, but they were complaining about the former when he was in office, too. We really lost the plot when the elites decided that the US had to be a fucking charity for the entire goddamn planet the last 80 years. At least we used to get something for our money prior to the Berlin Wall coming down.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

          "They’re not calling out Trump for telling NATO members to pay up. They’re calling him out for encouraging their enemies (Putin) to invade them."

          No, he didn't. The press took his sentence, which contained a pronoun (them) with no clear antecedent, and ascribed the worst possible antecedent possible (Putin).

          An alternative reading of the sentence boils down to "If the NATO don't pay the agreed amounts on their own defense, then the NATO countries are on their own and I encourage the NATO countries do whatever the NATO countries want going to do. It's not the USA's problem anymore."

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

            I get where you're coming from, but this is the same type of thing that I saw with the center-right coming up with post facto statements on what Nikki Haley SHOULD have said when she tripped up regarding the cause of the Civil War. If either of them were mentally agile enough to say it that way, they would have, regardless of their intent or meaning.

            1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

              Still, there's a difference between saying what Haley "should have said" versus claiming she said something that she didn't and arguing from that position.

              Politician X: "American citizens should speak English."

              Apologists: "Politician X could have been more clear, and said that 'US Citizenship test should confirm English proficiency.'"

              Press: "Politician X says that people who can't speak English should be killed! He must be impeached today!"

      3. I, Woodchipper   1 year ago

        but THIS conversation likely never happened. Unlike all the other rumors about Trump saying ridiculous shit, asking about how badgers are like etc. THOSE are all true.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          The Gorilla Channel remains one of the funniest fake news stories about Trump; an all-time classic because it started out as a goof, and the mainstream media actually took it seriously because they're such lazy gossips these days.

  36. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

    '"In a New York Times/Siena poll of six battleground states last fall, more than 70 percent of voters agreed with a statement that Mr. Biden, 81, is too old to be an effective president, though voters 65 and over were slightly less likely to judge him as too old," reports The New York Times.'

    That's because they have fond memories of riding paddle-wheelers on the Ole Miss with Joe on the way home from the civil war.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Maybe people over 65 understand that "old" does not equal 'dementia".

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        People over 65, myself included, do understand that old does mean diminished capacity. And most of us have a much keener eye for dementia.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

          I'll agree to diminished capacity. I'm living proof. But it depends on the capacity you started with.

  37. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

    'And President Joe Biden released a strange video about how snack portions have gotten smaller while prices have stayed the same'

    Does that include pudding?

  38. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

    "While you were Super Bowl shopping, did you notice smaller-than-usual products where the price stays the same?"

    Imagine highlighting how bad a job you did with inflation, how out of touch (detached from reality) you are to not realize it, how stupid you are to highlight this to a bunch of people currently consuming the products right this minute who blame you for Bidenomics, and how inept your team is to think this would land.

    Thats a hard oof

    1. Dillinger   1 year ago

      >>how inept your team is to think this would land.

      to be fair lol he did spend last week selling out his staff on his felonious activities maybe this was the payback machine

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      That's been this administration in a simple 30-second commercial. They've been inept and out of touch with the average American, living inside their own bubble, believing their own bullshit.

      Last week, the emperor was finally shown to many not to be wearing a stitch.

  39. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

    Fatass Donnie - Taylor Swift rich because of him - warns her not to support Biden

    Trump credits himself for making Taylor Swift 'so much money,' claims Biden 'didn't do anything for Taylor'

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-credits-himself-making-taylor-swift-so-much-money-claims-biden-didnt-do-anything-for-taylor

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Pretty weak bait, Plugly.
      Isn't there some sort of economic statistic you can misrepresent, or black man to mock?

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

        No, it's funny.

        Wingnuts were jilted when their country music Aryan Princess turned out to be a liberal.

        MAGA mocked as they choose between Taylor Swift and Pelosi's San Francisco at Super Bowl

        https://www.rawstory.com/maga-super-bowl/

        1. Sevo   1 year ago

          turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

        2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          Yeah, "hurr durr you hate tailer swift" isn't really great bait either.

          "Aryan Princess"

          Shot any "Lawn Jockeys" lately, Mr. Klansman?

    2. Sevo   1 year ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  40. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

    "Trump seems "gripped by the stubbornly ignorant belief, even after four years in office, that NATO is some sort of protection racket, in which our European allies come to Washington like quivering shopkeepers and make an offering to the local mob boss from their weekly receipts," writes The Atlantic's Tom Nichols."

    After the fall of the Iron Curtain which it was created to oppose has NATO done any good? And no. Bombing Serbs and Libyans wasn't good, Chemjeff.

  41. Commenter_XY   1 year ago

    Has anyone given thought to what happens when Judge Engoron decides to yank Trump's assets and force liquidate them?

    This has never been done before to an individual like POTUS Trump in NYC. Imagine stripping an ex-POTUS of his holdings, worth billions, and then just selling it. This isn't a genie you can put back into the bottle.

    1. Idaho-Bob   1 year ago

      Seriously, where is the line drawn? We keep hearing the word "novel" regarding Trump cases, but when will we hear the judges are criminal? The closest we've seen is a DA paying a guy she was fucking.

      1. Miss Ann Thrope (She/It)   1 year ago

        So, a giggolo?

        1. Miss Ann Thrope (She/It)   1 year ago

          No. A gigolo. Kamala is the gigglo.

          1. Ska   1 year ago

            Gigglehoe?

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          I'm just a gigolo and everywhere I go
          People know the part I'm playing
          Paid for every dance, selling each romance
          Ooh, what they say

          There will come a day when youth will pass away
          What will they say about me?
          When the end comes, I know
          It was just a gigolo
          Life goes on without me

      2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        Gigolos don't normally provide kickbacks.

  42. JFree   1 year ago

    Naturally, the Biden campaign has joined TikTok to try to curry favor with the young.

    He's the one guy who thinks he really can boost his appeal to those boomer kids via that strawberry alarm clock thing.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      "Beatniks and politics, nothin' is new
      A yardstick for lunatics, one point of view"

      1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago (edited)

        “Dead kings, many things I can't define
        occasions, persuasions clutter my mind
        incense and Werther’s mints, too old to rhyme”

    2. Super Scary   1 year ago (edited)

      Vote for Biden, no cap fr fr

    3. Dillinger   1 year ago

      fun fact: guitarist for both Strawberry Alarm Clock and Oingo Boingo same person

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   1 year ago

        No. Lynyrd Skynyrd

      2. Dillinger   1 year ago

        Steve Bartek

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

          Ed King, early Skynrd, was in the band too. Bartek plays the flute on Incense and Peppermints

          1. Dillinger   1 year ago

            shut my mouth.

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        Yeah Oingo Boingo. They did "I Love Little Girls". Maybe Joe could use that in his campaign ads.

        1. Dillinger   1 year ago

          satire ... but yeah someone should run ads against B with it

        2. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

          'Only a Lad' too.

          (He's only a lad) You really can't blame him
          (Only a lad) Society made him
          (Only a lad) He's our responsibility
          Oh, oh, whoa, whoa
          (Only a lad) He really couldn't help it
          (Only a lad) He didn't want to do it
          (Only a lad) He's underprivileged and abused
          Perhaps a little bit confused
          Oh, oh, oh, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa
          Whoa, whoa, whoa
          Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa

  43. Yuno Hoo   1 year ago

    Some commercial ships that must go through the Red Sea are making their crews all-Muslim to try to protect against Houthi attacks.

    "Those crews are not *Muslim*-Muslim!"

    1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

      You can tell because they only talk in durka-durkas.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago (edited)

        “Bak. Derk-derk-Allah. Durka durka Mohammed jihad. Haka sherpa sherpa bak Allah.”

        And just a little ronery.

        1. Randy Sax   1 year ago

          I like how the only live human in that movie is the "statue" shown in the "I'm So Ronery" song. If you watch closely you can see the statue blink.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ

  44. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

    WSJ headline: Kamala Harris Says She Is Ready to Serve as Biden Faces Age Scrutiny

    “I am ready to serve. There’s no question about that,” Harris responded bluntly. Everyone who sees her on the job, Harris said, “walks away fully aware of my capacity to lead.”

    'Allies of Harris say she was poorly utilized by the White House early in her tenure and is now positioned to show her value to the presidential ticket, especially in turning out key Democratic voters on abortion rights.'

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      Oh, shit.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

        Yup.

        Step 1: Allow government agents and media to show Biden as he really is.
        Step 2: Start burnishing Harris' image and status.
        Step 3: ?

    2. Dillinger   1 year ago

      serve at Waffle House ...

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        Is Kamala even that qualified?

        1. Sevo   1 year ago

          Serving coffee? Probably.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

            Maybe. I'm not even sure she could pour coffee without spilling it all over the customers.

            1. Dillinger   1 year ago

              Decaf is in the orange coffee pot because the orange coffee pot is for decaf and we all love orange coffee pots.

              1. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

                There is a Venn Diagram for that. Coffee, Decaf, Orange Pot.

  45. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>A careful, well-informed critique of NATO this was not.

    ya, we're not Europeans.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      THEY'RE NOT DEVASTATED BY SHRINKFLATION!

      1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        I WAS IN THE POOL!

  46. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>It's going to be a big week for Donald Trump.

    and lawfare is kewl around here?

  47. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>former Airbnb host respondents are now struggling with paying mortgages and utility bills

    attempted capitalism in communist burghs always risky.

  48. Sevo   1 year ago

    "...Folks are calling it Shrinkflation and it means companies are giving you less for every dollar you spend.
    I’m calling on the big consumer brands to put a stop to it."

    Right, raise prices instead!

  49. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>If you look at Google search traffic, it seems to have worked—unless people find anything offputtingly bizarre when they google him.

    ya, like he's a leftist tyrant ... but it's cool because Kennedy & his wife is on tv

  50. Super Scary   1 year ago

    "And President Joe Biden released a strange video about how snack portions have gotten smaller while prices have stayed the same:"

    He went on to talk the onion he would hang from his belt, which he described as "the style at the time."

    1. Ajsloss   1 year ago

      He's been doing that since nineteen-dickety-two.

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        Now I'd like to digress from my prepared remarks to discuss how I invented the terlet.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

        He's looking forward to his eleventy-first birthday.

  51. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Yes:

    Nate Silver costs you credibility.

    1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      however, his point remains correct (despite him being a clown)

      1. Dillinger   1 year ago

        ya but I don't even want to give him that.

  52. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Some commercial ships that must go through the Red Sea are making their crews all-Muslim to try to protect against Houthi attacks.

    perfect setup for inside jobs. literally and millenialliterally.

  53. Dillinger   1 year ago

    is 60 Minutes jealous Lay's got the Presidential Super Bowl Interview?

  54. Dillinger   1 year ago

    is this place good with he's either too senile to be president or just cogent enough to be a criminal but he's still holding the keys?

  55. SRG2   1 year ago

    Of course Biden is too damned old, and the Democrats are showing either stupidity or cowardice by letting him run.

    Same if you replace "Biden" with "Trump" and "Democrats" with "Republicans" of course, though with the added dimension of Trump's being a far greater criminal than Biden.

    1. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

      nah, Biden is openly corrupt, his corruption is just sanctioned by the elite betters in charge.

      The same elites will however demand Trump serve jail time for his parking tickets.

      This is what a banana republic looks like

      1. Sevo   1 year ago

        And SRG is happy to be a cheer-leader.

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          Happy? More like aroused.

    2. Sevo   1 year ago

      "Same if you replace “Biden” with “Trump” and “Democrats” with “Republicans” of course, though with the added dimension of Trump’s being a far greater criminal than Biden."

      Fucking TDS-addled obnoxiously arrogant shit heard from.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

      The problem isn't age by itself, it's Biden own cognitive decline, which by some accounts started in 2017. There are plenty of people over the age of 80 who are still sharp as a tack. Biden just isn't one of them.

      The other problem is that Democrats screwed themselves when they made Kamala Harris the VP nominee. Based off the O'Keefe interview, they apparently want to get rid of her, but are scared shitless of the consequences of doing so, possibly losing black and female voters.

      1. Sevo   1 year ago

        You're engaging a steaming TDS-addled pile of shit; don't expect facts to have any effect.

      2. Miss Ann Thrope (She/It)   1 year ago

        Biden took on Harris to make himself impeachment-proof.

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago (edited)

        Based off the O’Keefe interview, they apparently want to get rid of her, but are scared shitless of the consequences of doing so, possibly losing black and female voters.

        WTF could they possibly be basing this on? Black men don’t give a squirt of piss for some light-skin DA like Harris who put a bunch of them in jail, and black women will pull the D lever no matter what.

        I think they’re far more frustrated by the fact that a lot of the black female bench in the party with any kind of public profile are a bunch of sassy attention whores who are far more likely to piss off other Dem constituencies with their self-aggrandization, especially with all the BLM nonsense dying down, or to practice graft to such a brazen extent that even Dem justice departments are forced to crack down on them (Kim Foxx, Cori Bush, Sheryl Williams Stapleton). They can safely get them in office in heavily black-majority areas, but there’s too much ethnic competition in the progressive stack to make them viable in actual diverse communities.

        Harris, by comparison, is relatively normal just because she talks like any other doofus Dem politician, not some head-whipping, finger-snapping caricature. Every time she tries to act “street,” it comes off like some cringey minstrel act.

      4. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 year ago

        There is this option too.

        There is no serious talk of replacing Biden on this year’s presidential ticket, Democratic officials say, pointing to the filing deadlines for primary ballot access that have already closed. In the unlikely circumstance that Biden withdraws as the Democratic nominee, Harris would still have to earn the required delegates to take his place at the party’s convention in August. If it were to happen after the convention, a special meeting of the Democratic National Committee would decide the party’s presidential ticket, according to the DNC’s rules.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

          There is no serious talk of replacing Biden on this year’s presidential ticket, Democratic officials say, pointing to the filing deadlines for primary ballot access that have already closed. In the unlikely circumstance that Biden withdraws as the Democratic nominee, Harris would still have to earn the required delegates to take his place at the party’s convention in August.

          Yeah, this claim by the Dems is a load of crap. The primary delegates and super-delegates are only dedicated to the primary winner as long as he remains in the running for the office up to the convention. Even then, if Biden is so far gone at that point that he can't even get his own name right, there's absolutely shit-all stopping them from nominating someone else in his stead. That's the whole point of the fucking convention, to formally vote on and officially name the nominee.

          What they're really worried about is the convention turning into a free-for-all with BernieBros, Clintonites, and Obama's viper brood all tearing each other apart for the seat.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago (edited)

            Just tell the guy he did great during his 8 years in office (because he ain't gonna know the difference), shuffle him off the stage, and tell Jill and Beau that they need to put him in a home somewhere.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago (edited)

              Beau? Didn't he die in Vietnam or Afghanistan or Iraq or something?

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

                Even they don't know anymore.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

            Remind me to stay outside the Tri-State Tollway come August.

      5. SRG2   1 year ago

        I agree that it's the decline, not the age per se. But even were he fully compos mentis, at 81 the overall risk is too great.

        I think Trump too is in decline.

        1. Sevo   1 year ago

          "...I think Trump too is in decline."

          Opinions from TDS addled shits are worthless.

  56. Mike Parsons   1 year ago

    "In Alberta, kids under the age of 16 will no longer be eligible to receive puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones, while sex-change surgeries will be limited to those 18 and older," reports the Calgary Herald."

    Is the fever breaking? Have people seen enough Jazz Jennings frankenstein monsters to realize this, maybe, isnt a good idea.

    Remember when we told you left libertarian clowns this would be the new lobotomies? Seems like more countries are waking up to this fact. Fucking Canada is realizing it, you know youve jumped the shark

    1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      Alberta was always against this sort of stuff. I'd say the fever was breaking if New Brunswick or Toronto realized that this wasn't a good idea.

  57. Sevo   1 year ago (edited)

    “Kamala Harris Says She Is Ready to Serve as Biden Faces Age Scrutiny”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-says-she-is-ready-to-serve-as-biden-faces-age-scrutiny/ar-BB1i9SDh

    It ain’t “age” lady, it’s dementia.

    1. Miss Ann Thrope (She/It)   1 year ago

      I'm not convinced it's dementia. He's just stupid.

      1. NOYB2   1 year ago

        Biden’s IQ isn’t all that high, but he used to be an effective sociopath and criminal, a fundamentally angry, greedy, and vain man. His dementia and senility are robbing him of those abilities. But that’s probably a good thing.

    2. Old Engineer   1 year ago

      Harris is as "ready to serve" the Deep State as Biden ever was. She's used to pleasing men, ask Willie Brown.

  58. I, Woodchipper   1 year ago

    Nichols' take—that it's unlikely that this conversation happened at all, or at least that it went the way Trump told it—seems correct.

    Journalists will report every second-hand rumor of something outrageous trump said, until it's something that makes him look good. Then it becomes "likely never happened" but sure, he tried to grab the wheel of his limo. Lol

    1. Sevo   1 year ago

      From the back seat, through the security panel! The guy's amazing!

  59. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

    The deceased Houston mega church shooter had “Free Palestine” on the semi-automatic rifle she used in the attack, according to federal law enforcement speaking to media. She has been named as Genesse I. Moreno and her social media shows a history of leftist politics."

    mtrueman's sister?

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Actually being reported that that she was a he taking a walk on the wild side. Another tranny shooter. Maybe someday we'll see his manifesto. And the 5 year old he brought with him not expected to survive.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        Have to revise this post. Looks like she is actually a woman who at some point claimed to be a man. The wounded child is her biological son. Speculation is that she used the male identity as a ruse to get asylum status. But nobody knows at this point.

        1. Dillinger   1 year ago

          either way total asshole bringing your kid to a suicide-by-other

    2. I, Woodchipper   1 year ago

      this will be memory-holed immediately by the party members running the media.

      1. Super Scary   1 year ago

        Since it's wasn't a white male, they'll just have to default to gun control stuff instead of racism stuff. Easy peasy.

        1. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          iT wOuLdn'T hAvE haPPeneD wiTHouT thE wHiTe mAn's GuNS!!!111!!!!

  60. Old Engineer   1 year ago (edited)

    “The SuperPAC backing Robert F. Kennedy Jr. ran an actually great Super Bowl ad.”

    Great ad? Seriously? Does he take his uncle’s position on anything? It’s a pure pseudo-nostalgia for people who never knew the late 1950’s. Does RFKjr want a Cuban missile crisis, wild over spending, phone taps of political enemies like MLK? How about an LBJ clone as VP?

    Liz, talk to someone who was alive then and remembers “duck and cover” and military style “dog tags” given to school kids so that their bodies could be identified after the city was nuked.

    Then consider what a nut burger like RFKjr would do for the healthcare industry when he still thinks that Thimerosal causes autism.

    1. Sevo   1 year ago

      A brand new Bay of Pigs would get blamed on Trump!

      1. Old Engineer   1 year ago

        They already tried to blame Trump for the Afghanistan Withdrawal (surrender). All Democrat problems have at least one of the following causes:

        Climate Change
        White Supremacy
        Trump

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Yeah Duck and Cover. The joke in the schoolyard was put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.

    3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      "nut burger like RFKjr would do for the healthcare industry when he still thinks that Thimerosal causes autism"

      Is there any good literature out there regarding adding mercury-based preservatives like Thimerosal into vaccines?

    4. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

      Then consider what a nut burger like RFKjr would do for the healthcare industry when he still thinks that Thimerosal causes autism.

      Again, you 1-D retards struggle to keep up with the reality that the rest of us actually have to live in. What’s he going to do? Mess up healthcare worse than Barack “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.” Obama or Joe “Vaccine-or-Mask Mandate” Biden? You are aware that he’s running for President and not director of the CDC or the FDA, let alone executive of Pfizer, Moderna, or other, right? That virtually all childhood vaccines are single use, which never had thimerosal, or have had their thimerosal removed for going on a decade now, right?

      I have no interest in seeing RFK, Jr. win, but you rabid DNCtards out yourself the harder and faster you dance around trying to fling the shit you’ve steeped yourself in onto anyone and everyone you perceive to be your opponents.

  61. Lester75   1 year ago

    Putin is a thug. He poisons his political opponents. There is no free press or democracy in Russia. He would love to re-make the Soviet Union. Trump encouraging him to grab more and more land is not a good thing.

    We can encourage NATO allies to pay more of their share without saying that we'll encourage Russia to invade them. What a dumpkof thing to say.

    1. Old Engineer   1 year ago (edited)

      I’ve said for a long time that if there is a way for Trump to lose, he will find it.

      He's running against a vegetable whose backup is a moron. This should be a slam dunk, but foot in mouth disease is a problem for Trump.

      1. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

        I’ve said for a long time that if there is a way for Trump to lose, he will find it.

        “A long time” like you’ve been saying it since 2016 or, as I’ve been saying since 2016, Trump isn’t a 12-D Chess genius, he’s just, at best, a slightly above average checkers player opposed by people like you who struggle to be one dimensional.

        It’s dead simple to say “Trump often sticks his foot in his mouth.” and be perfectly, 100% irrefutably correct, without raising your foot to your own face and spewing obviously retarded prognostications that make Ann Coulter look like a prophet. But, again, you people can’t help yourselves.

    2. Sevo   1 year ago

      "...Nichols' take—that it's unlikely that this conversation happened at all, or at least that it went the way Trump told it—seems correct..."

      Your TDS is acting up.

      1. Lester75   1 year ago

        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-russia-whatever-hell-want-nato-countries-dont-pay-enough-rcna138256?ref=upstract.com

        Listen to him say it. Also ask anyone at that South Carolina rally what he said. There are tons of witnesses.

        1. Sevo   1 year ago

          He was referring to a seemingly apocryphal earlier discussion, but don't let that get in your way.

        2. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

          He said "pay your bills". No more, no less. Team Blue trying to turn it into some sort of plea for Russia to attack isn't just moronic but also dishonest.

          Seriously though. Who the fuck do you guy's think are going to be fooled by this retarded interpretation, other than true believers that want to be fooled?

          Do you think you're actually tricking the undecideds or just pissing them off with middle-school sophistry?

      2. Old Engineer   1 year ago

        Trump makes wild exaggerations that he can't backup. For instance, he claims he had the greatest economy in US history. Using statistics from the Federal Reserve Economic Data for inflation corrected GDP, it turns out that Trump was right, but only about the 21st century. Removing COVID growth statistics are

        Clinton 3.98%
        Reagan 3.48%
        Trump without Covid 2.58%
        Carter 2.48%
        Obama 2.18%
        Biden (partial) 2.07%
        Bush HW 1.86%
        Bush W 1.72%
        Covid 0.93%

        The Bushes, father and son, were just plain awful. Jimmy Carter beat them both and came in just a little behind Trump. G W Bush was worse that Trump with Covid, that's how absolutely terrible Bush was.

        If you go back farther, economic growth peaked around 1951 and has declined ever since.

        This isn't TDS, it's just plain FACTS.

        Link: https://fred.stlouisfed.org
        Help: https://fredhelp.stlouisfed.org

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

          Why give Trump a pass for Covid? He made it worse.

          Obama deserves a pass for Bush's Great Recession then. Four million foreclosures and 750,000 jobs lost per month.

          Trump scored only 1.6% GDP -worst since Hoover. His lies can't save him.

    3. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

      "Putin is a thug. He poisons his political opponents. There is no free press or democracy in Russia"

      True, but umm...

    4. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago (edited)

      But he didn’t say that.

      “‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’” Trump recounted responding. ‘“No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’”

      The worst possible antecedent here is “Russia” (Putin). But “NATO countries” is just as feasible, and completely changes what was said. Was Trump encouraging Putin to invade or just saying “Fuck, NATO, they can do whatever they want (because we’re not going to run to save them).”

      So, of course, the press inserted Putin/Russia into a sentence where neither existed, then claim that's what Trump said.

    5. NOYB2   1 year ago

      I couldn’t care less whether Putin is a thug or not, or whether Russia is democratic.

      And I couldn’t care less what happens to our European NATO “allies”. They have the people and the money to defend themselves against Russia. I seriously doubt Russia has any interest in EU countries to begin with: they are a bunch of socialist losers with no natural resources to speak of; why in the world would anybody want to conquer them?

  62. Mother's Lament   1 year ago

    Epstein really didn't hang himself.

    (Warning graphic autopsy photos)

    His brother is right, he was obviously strangled from behind. Unless he somehow managed to become the first man to ever hang himself horizontally.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

      Well he was a friend of Clinton so... But let's not jump to any wild conclusions here.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   1 year ago

      Suicide by the normal method, a bullet to the back of the head, would have been too obvious.

    3. I, Woodchipper   1 year ago

      Believing the suicide story of Eptsein is the ultimate normie litmus test. If you buy it at face value I cant help you with anything.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago (edited)

      Well, he didn’t shoot himself in the back of the head, twice. So it probably wasn't the Clintons.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   1 year ago

        Mafias use multiple means. Paulie got shot in the back of the head. Carlo was garrotted.

  63. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   1 year ago

    I'm not a fan of printing money so we can fund foreign wars. It would be one thing is congress actually deliberated and declared war, but we pretending that we are not illegally at war. The "Jerk", Trump at least didn't get us into a new war, but the "Senile Saint" Biden has nobly not declared us into several "non-wars".

    Neither should be president, but the senile one holds the nuclear football. Too incompetent to stand trial, but competent enough to flip the nuclear switch?

    1. Sevo   1 year ago

      Stuff your TDS up your ass.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   1 year ago

        Shouldn't that be BDS?

        1. Old Engineer   1 year ago

          Or maybe BDSM?

  64. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   1 year ago

    NATO Members who are below 2.0% GDP
    Luxembourg 0.72%
    Belgium 1.13%
    Spain 1.26%
    Turkey 1.31%
    Slovenia 1.35%
    Canada 1.38%
    Italy 1.46%
    Portugal 1.48%
    Czech Republic 1.50%
    Germany 1.57%
    Denmark 1.65%
    Norway 1.67%
    Netherlands 1.70%
    Albania 1.76%
    Croatia 1.79%
    Bulgaria 1.84%
    North Macedonia 1.87%
    Montenegro 1.87%
    France 1.90%

    NATO Members who are above 2.0% GDP
    Slovakia 2.03%
    United Kingdom 2.07%
    Latvia 2.27%
    Hungary 2.43%
    Romania 2.44%
    Finland 2.45%
    Lithuania 2.54%
    Estonia 2.73%
    Greece 3.01%
    United States 3.49%
    Poland 3.90%

    1. Old Engineer   1 year ago (edited)

      You’re using GDP growth rates that are not inflation corrected. The Biden administration has averaged 2.07% up to the last quarter of 2023 (Covid quarters being removed). Trump averaged 2.58% (again with the Covid quarters removed). By comparison, Clinton was 3.98% and Reagan was 3.48% both inflation corrected.

      The US growth is good, but not 3.49%. Until we know real GDP numbers, we don’t know with certainty what countries are where. The US is almost certainly the among the tallest of the midgets.

      When you correct for inflation, most of the countries in Europe had shrinking economies.

      1. NOYB2   1 year ago

        He didn’t give GDP growth rates, he gave the percentage of GDP spent on defense. The “2%” is an important threshold because that is what NATO members are obligated to spend under the treaty.

        Thank you for your spectacular demonstration of Dunning-Kruger.

        1. Old Engineer   1 year ago

          Than he should have made his statement clear. If he was talking about defense expenditures, he should have said so.

    2. mtrueman   1 year ago

      Out of curiosity, any idea of the % of GDP spent on military in Iraq or Afghanistan? My suspicion is that requiring a % of GDP is more a sop to the military/industrial complex than anything like a measure of a nation's military prowess or ability to prevail against adversaries.

  65. mad.casual   1 year ago

    And President Joe Biden released a strange video about how snack portions have gotten smaller while prices have stayed the same:

    We're not all memory-hole-ing the fact that Michelle Obama, as first lady, and Kathleen Sebelius, as DHHS director, specifically implemented this as policy, correct?

    That this is literally the Obama-Biden administration taking a food market where the major cost of production was the container (meaning the more food you could cram in, the more profit you made), breaking people's legs by inventing labeling requirements and imposing portion restrictions such that it was better to put less food in the same packaging; then the Biden Administration complaining about how food producers were being stingy and using crutches.

    Talk about a self-licking ice cream cone.

  66. JasonT20   1 year ago

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land...

    Reminder of what NATO stands for: North Atlantic Treaty Organization

    Article 5 of the NATO treaty states that an attack on one member of NATO is an attack on all of NATO, obligating all members to come to the defense of the one attacked.

    Trump just said that he would not honor "the supreme law of the land."

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

    "'You didn't pay? You're delinquent?'" Trump recounted saying. '"No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage [Russia] to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.'"

    I don't think that there is any 'delinquency' exception to Article 5 of the NATO treaty. So, not only is he saying that he would shirk the United States' treaty obligation (not following the supreme law of the land), he would "encourage" a country that is, by treaty, an enemy of the United States "to do whatever the hell they want."

    You can believe that NATO is not good for global security or the national security of the United States. (You'd be going against the overwhelming consensus of virtually every national security expert in America, but hey, they could be wrong.) To express that opinion in such a childish, ignorant manner? You probably wouldn't be a viable candidate for President of the United States. Unless your name was Donald J. Trump.

    1. NOYB2   1 year ago

      Under the NATO treaty, the US determines the level and kind of military assistance it provides to other NATO members. It is perfectly legitimate and compliant with the treaty for the US to say that our level of assistance will be “none”.

      In any case, NATO should be abolished entirely. It is destabilizing the world in the same way the web of military and political alliances destabilized the world prior to WWI. It is childish fools like you who who believe that NATO still serves a purpose other than to provide sinecures to military personnel and government handouts to US military contractors.

  67. JasonT20   1 year ago

    There's a few things to note here. Article 5 has been invoked exactly once in the history of NATO - after 9/11. All members of NATO had to agree that the U.S. was attacked and that Article 5 applied. You are correct that each country has to decide on its own what its contribution to the common defense in that instance will be. Each country has different resources and capabilities, so that is fairly obvious.

    It is perfectly legitimate and compliant with the treaty for the US to say that our level of assistance will be “none”.

    I'd have to ask a linguist, but my understanding of language is that "assistance" means that you actually help. Providing nothing is not providing assistance at all. To even try that argument is so incredibly disingenuous as to be insulting anyway. Lastly, encouraging the one that attacked an ally "to do whatever the hell they want" is the opposite of providing assistance in the defense of that ally.

    Also, the 2% of GDP target was agreed to in 2014. At that time, it was a goal for all members to reach that level of spending on defense within a decade. Last July, it was reported that the allies have agreed to make it a requirement, rather than a goal. (The one report I read did not say what time frame it would become a requirement or what penalties a member would face for failing to meet the requirement.) It should also be noted that the 2% figure is what members will spend on their own militaries. They can't be "delinquent" since they aren't expected to pay money to anyone else.

    It seems extremely unlikely that this supposed conversation even happened, or at least did not happen the way Trump described it. What this does is show just how ignorant Trump is of how NATO even functions. This is what I find so bizarre. The man was President for 4 years and seemingly makes up a story where the leader of a "big" NATO country asks if the U.S. would defend them if Russia attacked them. Since all members have to agree that a member was attacked first in order to invoke Article 5, this question Trump was supposedly asked doesn't even make sense. Then, this supposed president of the big country asked "if we don't pay," which doesn't make sense either because countries aren't required to "pay" anyone else for their defense. Perhaps its just Trump's mafia mentality that makes him think of NATO as a protection racket. Finally, to say that he would encourage Russia to do whatever the hell it wants is a betrayal of an ally, not just a refusal to assist.

    None of this is the kind of serious debate over the value of NATO you think should be happening. It was the bluster and bragging of a man-child trying to show how tough he is with world leaders. That he is showing just how little he actually understands global security as he does this . . . you just blow right by that. This is who Republicans have picked to be their guy. This is who they want to be their guy. That is frightening to me.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   1 year ago

      Why should I be obligated come to my neighbors aid when he won’t do the bare minimum to protect himself?

    2. Smack Daddy   1 year ago

      A treaty is nothing more than a contract between nations. If one party does not follow through on their obligations laid out in the agreement the other party does not have follow through with their obligations. This term is referred to a default. NATO members are in default of the treaty. You can type all the nonsense you want, it will not change this basic fact.

      1. mtrueman   1 year ago

        If you fear Russian expansion, a mutual defense treaty makes sense. If you don't fear Russian expansion, a mutual defense treaty doesn't make sense. And demanding signatory nations to increase defense spending for an expansion nobody fears makes even less sense.

        1. Smack Daddy   1 year ago

          No one is making that demand. What is being said is that, if you do not adhere to the treaty then we do not have to either. The only demand being made is by the Washington elite (democrats and progressives on the right) that we must do something about Ukraine, which is not in NATO, on behalf of NATO members that don't even honor the treaty they signed. Fk NATO, Ukraine, Putin, and while you're at it fk the Washington elitists as well. Sometimes there are no good guys.

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