COVID Vaccine Injuries Deserve a Day in Court
Injury claims for COVID vaccines are subject to a different process than other vaccines.

Some 270 million Americans received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose. Tens of thousands have since claimed they suffered a COVID vaccine injury, ranging from minor side effects to severe adverse reactions. Around 9,000 of those people have requested compensation through the only legal avenue available to them—the federal government's Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP).
To date, the CICP has paid only $30,855 to just eight claimants. Another 1,588 people have had their claims turned down—making for a 98 percent rejection rate. Thousands more have been left waiting with no response. If their claims are also rejected by the program, they have no other means of ever getting compensation.
Typically, someone who's been injured by a product, medical or otherwise, would be within his rights to sue the manufacturer in a state court. Since the 1980s, federal liability protections prevent people from suing vaccine makers.
But under the decades-old National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), people claiming an injury from a non-COVID vaccine are given an alternative to standard civil litigation. Injured patients instead sue the federal government in special vaccine courts, where both sides have lawyers, a special master (judge) decides claims, and people can appeal rejected compensation requests to higher courts. VICP petitioners need only show a preponderance of the evidence that they were injured by a vaccine—a relatively low burden of proof. The VICP approves about half of all claims and pays out $200 million a year (all funded by an excise tax levied on vaccine doses).
The CICP is nothing like this. The program has its origins in a piece of war on terror legislation intended to create liability protections for makers of novel, emergency countermeasures to bioweapon attacks and the like.
It's an administrative process, meaning patients' claims are decided by a federal bureaucrat, not a neutral judge. Claimants have no right to a lawyer and no right to appeal to a higher court. They must also show by "compelling, reliable, valid, medical, and scientific evidence" that their injury was caused by a COVID vaccine.
That's an exceedingly high burden of proof for vaccines that were approved without the typical years of study and testing, says Katharine Van Tassel, a law professor at Case Western Reserve School of Law. "We did not have very much time to study [COVID] vaccines, so we know the risk of injury was higher," Van Tassel explains.
All these features help explain the CICP's high rejection rates.
Advocates for the COVID vaccine injured are asking, through lawsuits and bills in Congress, to move them out of a dysfunctional CICP program and into the standard VICP program, where they stand a chance of actually getting compensation for their injuries.
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And once again, Reason is three years behind the commentariat. Glad to see you get caught up, Christian.
In a newsletter about housing, no less.
This all sounds like conspiracy theory.
So, officially accepted as true in six months?
Let every whining crybaby sue the vaccine-makers for random health-shit that happened to them, having NOTHING to do with the vaccine, and we will pay $3,000 for each shot! If not more!
Just give me an iron-clad legal agreement that I may "opt out" of the lawsuit lottery, in exchange for discounted prices, and I will be happy!
And despite this, people will still vote for democrats this year.
And get another booster.
Ever notice the correlation between the number of booster shots and the number of times people get COVID-19? Fauci has had the virus at least 5 times now.
The reality is that the vaccines have never prevented the virus. They kinda worked in slowing the spread in the first half of 2021, but by June we knew that they didn’t prevent transmission or recatching the virus. The basic problem is that the ModRNA vaccines only imprinted the two spike proteins on the immune system memory. Actually, greatly overimprinted. Faced with immunity to the original (Wuhan variant) spike proteins, the virus mutated, changing its spike proteins some for the Delta variant, and so significantly for the Omicron variant spike proteins, that there was very little immune response between the antibodies from the vaccines and Omicron variant virons. Whatever immune responses generated were to the Wuhan variant spike proteins generated by the vaccines..
Not only vote for them, but blindly defend all of the failed policies.
All faith is blind.
Actually, not true. Faith in a well trained doctor knowing how to remove an appendix is still faith even if it’s based on reasonably attained information. There’s still a probability of failure, but you have faith they will succeed else you wouldn’t agree to surgery.
Still faith, not blind.
Faith that science journals and DOD software designs are peer reviewed is blind faith, though.
And in an equally depressing turn of events, some people will vote republican.
What injuries? - The Usual Suspects
Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!!
PS, "food" is dangerous! People get sick and even die from food poisoning!!! Be SAFE!!! STOP eating!!!!
Weird. I didn't get vaccinated so, from my perspective, this sounds an awful lot like Christian arguing about which way is the best way for people like me to pay for all the risk that everyone else took.
Choke on a bag of dicks You. Fucking. Asshats.
They blamed the unvaxxed for Covid spreading to the vaxxed. You think they are done fucking with the nonconformists?
No, the "they" here... Get your pronouns straight!!... Blamed the VAXXED for spreading their vax-cooties to the un-vaxxed!!!!
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/centner-academy-vaccine-rules-leila-centner-david-centner
“Florida School Run by Idiots Says Vaccinated Students Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Shot”
This is the same school where a teacher told students not to hug their vaccinated parents for more than five seconds.
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See? We are ALL data-driven by now! My data says the OTHER (evil) tribe believes in vaccines, so MY tribe must BAN and SHUN the BAD tribe (and their cooties) as much as possible!
The unvaccinated are now CLEAN and the vaccinated are UNCLEAN! Civic-minded BAD! Afraid of micro-chips in vaccines GOOD! Black is white, and good is evil!
Weird indeed. I already helped pay for all the shots for everyone. How about just getting rid of the immunity for the vaccine makers?
Facts changed. You were a conspiracy theorist for knowing these facts before this article.
/sarc
The facts are malinformation until approved by the government.
These people made their choice. It's not like the entire weight of all the levels of government was put upon them to make the "correct" decision....oh that's right, nevermind.
Not getting the shot has cost us thousands of dollars. Our insurance is $50 more per pay period if we're unvaccinated.
There will be no accountability for the government's violations surrounding covid and I doubt any court would hear damage claims from private entities that followed their lead
Our insurance is $50 more per pay period if we’re unvaccinated.
Who specifically is setting those prices? My guess is actuaries.
Wait'll the actuaries get ahold of the post-vaccine data in 70 years.
Well obviously you are well prepared for that scenario
I think of all the young athletes "dropping dead suddenly" and I feel for the parents who rushed to get their child vaccinated so they could play school sports. Now, they have to worry if their child will be the next one to have a heart attack while on the field or develop a "rare" turbo cancer at age 12 or 15.
Anyone who expressed a need for caution due to the rapid production and lack of testing for the Covid "vaccine" were called "Anti-vaccine" and vilified in the press. Social media sites removed their comments and Amazon suppressed books that didn't adhere to the government narrative.
For the most part, those that were harmed by the shots have little recourse as Pfizer rakes in millions. On a positive note, Pfizer is working on another drug to counter the heart damage caused by the vaccine so maybe there is some hope for those athletes that a new pill or vaccine a day can cure their Covid vaccine-caused ailments. Maybe they can sponsor the super bowl again next year, but this time while promoting their new weekly heart damage vaccine.
All of the young athletes experiencing “dropping dead suddenly” is actually due to WITCHCRAFT!!! We need FAR more penalties (civil and criminal alike) against the WITCHES!!!
(In order to satisfy both sides here, we need to vilify both the "witches with guns" and the "witches who use wrong pronouns" on the one hand, v/s also the "witches who get abortions" and "witches who watch drag queen shows". If we carefully seek BALANCE here, we can GET those damned witches!!! ALL of them!)
The biggest tell in all of this is how the Democrats went from “I’m not taking the Trump vaccine!” supposedly for the very reason that it WAS clearly being rushed to try and get it on the market before the election (we all know that was bullshit, it was just because Trump was promoting it), to “This vaccine is safe and effective with no downsides!” after their successful color revolution allowed them to take power again.
It was the same fucking vaccine.
This is why calls for “truces” and “amnesty” are clearly just attempts to redirect anger from the malfeseance of the nation’s basic bitch classes who gleefully celebrated people losing their jobs over not getting the jab, and claiming that no vaccine injuries were taking place whatsoever despite self-reporting on it in VAERS far outstripping any other vaccines. And what’s worse, the absolute malicious behavior of these people has resulted in skepticism of vaccines with decades-long track records of actual success, which is going to increase the prevalence of long-dormant illnesses like measles.
All so these people could have a chance to dunk on anyone who decided to exercise a bit of caution on a vaccine that normally takes years of testing, from companies who were given legal immunity from lawsuits over vax injuries.
But EMERGENCY!!!
Also, people are retards.
Anti-vaxxers are retards!
Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, LYING servant and serpent of communicable diseases?!?!
PS, "food" is dangerous! People get sick and even die from food poisoning!!! Be SAFE!!! STOP eating!!!!
Hard to refute the ultimate expert on retardliness about whom is and isn't.
"Anyone who expressed a need for caution due to the rapid production and lack of testing for the Covid “vaccine” were called “Anti-vaccine” and vilified in the press."
to be clear.... at the time, those who "expressed concern" were claiming that EVERYONE who got the vaccine would be dead within two years. i don't think i ever heard anyone "expressing concern" over the 0.003% negative impact rate seen here. you clowns were far more hyperbolic and ridiculous in your claims.
and it will be completely lost on all of you that that is still far less risk than catching covid was. (as you all have moved the goalposts, you don't know it still makes you stupid.)
and it will be completely lost on all of you that that is still far less risk than catching covid was.
So less than less than almost zero.
sure.... go ahead and frame it as a tiny number...... that is about 20 times larger than the adverse vaccine reactions you are all creaming your pants over while trying to pretend it is significant enough to justify your desire not to get the vaccine.
you can't have it both ways..... you can't pretend the risks of catching covid were small while pretending the risks of the vaccine were large. personally i have always stood by the risk of the vaccine is less than the risk of covid (most of the vaccine reactions would also happen in response to actual covid).... but if you want to be stupid, that is your right. i have no need to pretend either number is bigger than it really is.
20 times virtually zero is still virtually zero, numbnuts. Learn to math.
so you are admitting that anyone talking about the risk of the vaccine is 20 times stupider than anyone who talked about the risk of catching covid..... good.
Two MLB players - Eduardo Rodriguez and Heston Kjerstad - got myocarditis from covid not the vaccine. They each lost the entire 2020 season and one part of the 2021 season. So that's two serious cases (humorous cases were prob not reported) - among young professional athletes - in maybe 1500 or 2000 MLB players who were playing that year (most minors leagues were cancelled).
That's not much - 1 out of 1000 max (many/most players never caught covid in 2020) - but it's much higher than the VAERS reports for the vaccine and some of those VAERS reports are people who got covid AND the vax at around the same time.
Here's an article from American Heart Association about covid and heart complications in athletes - from Sep 2020 so before the vaccine
Where's the .003% My risk was also less than that anyways. It's ok you're mad.
sorry if math confuses you. might be why your view of reality is so far off. (the risk of death for the unvaccinated was about 100 times higher or more)
Nope. Unless you are looking at the death rate >70. For those <20, the death toll for the virus was roughly 1/1,000,000 (or .0001%). It was well under 1/100,000 for those 20-30 or so, and that included those with significant comorbidities (severely immune compromised, morbidly obese, etc). The death rate from the virus was significantly age related, with an almost exponential curve. The death toll from the vaccines though appear to have the opposite slope, probably peaking in the 20-40 demographic, and esp in the most fit males.
Weird, I was saying at the time that we didn't know what the effect would be since there was no longitudinal study. The vaccine was rushed through approvals, which simply means it wasn't evaluated under the same rules that other vaccines and required to meet.
If indeed there are adverse effects to the vaccine, small or otherwise, they were unknown when they were pushing it which means they got lucky more than they actually knew what the end results would be.
Also, for what it's worth, we still don't know what the long term effects might be.
i never had any real problem with the "we don't know." what i had a problem with was those who ran with that to make absurd claims not rooted in any version of reality. "we don't know" did not mean "it must be worse than catching covid." the fact is that almost every adverse reaction that could theoretically happen would also happen in response to the virus itself. the worst case for the vaccine was always going to be better than just letting everyone get sick.
we did know more than many people realized. if you didn't know those facts, that was fine........ it was those who were flat out making shit up and refusing to even look at what we did know that i am talking about. (and those are the people trying now to use stories like this to pretend they were right all along..... when they were flat out wrong.)
What I have a problem with is taking the most extreme vax skeptics and presenting them as typical of people who had doubts about the vax.
so your problem is people spreading lies being lumped in with people telling the same kind of lies. (just a little more ambitious in their lies.)
the fact is that both groups were promoting a resistance to getting vaxxed based on either ignorance and/or fabrication. as i said.... it is one thing not to know the facts.... it is another to try and convince people to accept your opinion that is not based on facts. (whether you are making shit up or just refusing to learn the facts.)
even the most basic attempt to educate yourself would lead you to learn that the J&J vaccine was a traditional type vaccine and all the fear mongering did not apply to it. it took effort to avoid the inconvenient facts that rendered your skepticism moot. (your misinformed "newness" of the MNRA vaccines being what you cited as a concern elsewhere.)
Where the fuck do you get all of that from? I never told you what I think.
But please, educate me. What other mRNA vaccines have been widely used in healthy populations?
"even the most basic attempt to educate yourself would lead you to learn that the J&J vaccine was a traditional type vaccine and all the fear mongering did not apply to it. it took effort to avoid the inconvenient facts that rendered your skepticism moot."
not interested in your obsession with MNRA, when there were non-MNRA vaccines available........ your trying to ignore that point kind of demonstrates my point. instead of dealing with what i actually presented, you are seeking to fight a comfortable straw man.
So - you are trying to evade responsibility for the billions around the world coerced or forced into taking the barely tested ModRNA (Modified mRNA, because they don’t use real mRNA, but have substituted N1 Methylpseudouridine for Uridine in order to evade the immune system) vaccines.
not big on the reading comprehension there, bud. i don't even know where to start with how much this response is complete BS.
Irony in hyperbole: "at the time, those who “expressed concern” were claiming that EVERYONE who got the vaccine would be dead within two years."
had quite a few people make that exact claim.
No you didn’t. I know a few unvaxed folks. Not one of them said anything like that. They all said you do you and I’ll do me.
And that’s what you really don’t like. Asshole.
look at the retard who thinks they know everything everyone said to a complete stranger.....
also completely ignorant of just how stupid some in your tribe have been on this....
https://www.thequint.com/news/webqoof/will-all-vaccinated-people-die-in-2-years-fact-check
Some people made claims like that. Lots of people simply weren't convinced that the cost-benefit was positive for most people. The latter was a pretty reasonable position given that there was absolutely no knowledge about the long term effects. Plenty of vaccines have been pulled from the market after passing normal FDA approvals because they caused more harm than good. It's hardly a crazy conspiracy theory to consider that possibility with a product that uses a technology that had never been widely deployed before in healthy people.
"The latter was a pretty reasonable position given that there was absolutely no knowledge about the long term effects."
that sounds fair until you do the most basic of research.
first is that mnra vaccines are not as new as people think. they were originally developed in the 90's. the two biggest reasons we never saw them deployed en-mass was that they break down very fast in the body (the reason they have to store them so cold.... and a big reason they can't have any independent long term effects.) and that there had not been a novel virus that warranted widespread use. (had primarily been used for smaller scale endemics. most notably Ebola.)
second is that side effects of vaccines are pretty much exclusively side effects you would get from the disease itself as well. (exception being soreness from being stabbed in the arm.) the adverse reactions are the body's immune response going haywire..... and it would have the same response to the actual virus.
it is one thing to have a personal reservation based on ignorance.... it is quite another to proselytize that ignorance to try and convince others not to educate themselves on what the actual risk was..... and the actual risk is, by nature, always less than catching the disease in question. (they pull the vaccines when the risk of actually catching the virus is too low to justify the risk from the vaccine.... that was never the case with covid, because most people were going to either contract it or get vaccinated.)
also of note... the J&J vaccine was a "traditional" vaccine, so all of the excuses evaporate when that option is put on the table.... getting vaxxed did not mean getting the "new" kind of vaccine.
If I recall correctly, J&J was a viral vector vaccine. Which does have more history of use, but still isn't exactly a traditional vaccine (i.e. one that uses dead or attenuated forms of the target virus).
"Which does have more history of use, but still isn’t exactly a traditional vaccine "
so.... how many decades of data does it take for something to not be "new and scary?"
Very wrong.
As noted above, actual mRNA. was not utilized in the vaccines because it does break down quickly in the body, or is destroyed very quickly by the immune system. Instead, ModRNA was utilized where N1 Methylpseudouridine replaced Uridines. This greatly stabilized the ModRNA and hid it from the immune system. It is routinely detected in the body for up to 60 days, even 90 on occasion, after jabs. This was intentional. Pfizer admitted that they did that to get the ModRNA out of the injection site, to the lymph nodes. Unfortunately, they didn’t stop there, but is instead picked up by the circulatory system and dispersed through the body.
Secondly, COVID-19 is a respiratory virus. That means that it primarily affects the respiratory system. The ModRNA vaccines affect the whole body, but probably hits the circulatory system the hardest, esp with heart attacks (e.g. myocarditis and pericarditis) and clotting issues, which shouldn’t be surprising, since the circulatory system picks up the ModRNA from the lymphatic system, and circulates it throughout the body, until they lodge somewhere and enter cells. Not just the circulatory system, of course - the ModRNA crosses the blood/brain barrier much more easily than does mRNA.
i see you are one of the "everyone is going to die in 2 years" crowd, with the amount of jargon pretending you have any clue what the fuck you are talking about.
no matter what the delivery mechanism, any adverse reaction to a vaccine will be a reaction you will also have to the disease itself....... your horseshit about it being a respiratory disease brainlessly believing that means that zero virus gets into thee bloodstream notwithstanding..... you probably should have left that bit of nonsense out, as it exposes how bat-shit crazy you are....;. the rest of your jargon has the illusion of legitimacy until you reach that obviously wrong bit.
Being of a libertarian mindset, I often rail on all the regulation/red tape which slows medical advancements in the name of safety. I long argued most of it was unnecessary bureaucratic bullshit. When they accelerated the approval process I felt like we finally had our chance to prove it.
While the vax never lived up to the perceived promise of immunity there is ample evidence to show it reduced severity. I also see very little hard evidence it caused harm. Athletes collapsing? Bullshit. Happened plenty of times prior to the vax. In no way shape or form am I condoning the mandates shoved down our throats but IMO for showing how useless all the red tape is it is a win.
Pushing the vaccines for children was nothing short of monstrous.
Death rate from the virus was roughly 1/1,000,000 in those under 20. Relatively low Double digit death toll for all kids in the country. Turns out, millions of kids caught and survived the virus with nothing more than a runny nose, if that, indicating a kid was fighting the virus.
no matter how low the death rate is, it is still higher than the adverse reaction rate. (and almost all of those adverse reaction were not deaths)
as i said elsewhere.... it is fine if you want to frame the risk of the virus as tiny..... but you cannot then pretend the risk of the vaccine was big, when it was orders of magnitudes lower than the death rate from covid. if the virus was no big deal, then the vaccine was massively less of a big deal.
Just remove legal immunity.
This is just one of many reasons not to trust the government.
Why would they create a law that indemnifies a drug maker from legal ramifications for the drug that injures or kills US citizens?
It certainly isn't to protect you!
Meh. I don't know anyone that died from Covid, nor do I know anyone that died (or had serious effects) from the vax.
I work at a big box retail store. We've had people die from old age, suicide, falling down, but no Covid deaths. No Covid vaccine deaths.
Well, maybe we should find out what exactly is responsible for the tremendous growth in all cause mortality? Are you even a wee bit curious?
I don't see how any "injury" that is also caused by having the virus itself can be determined to only be from the shot, unless there is a way to prove those claiming vaccine injury were never infected with the actual virus.
This is backwards, especially as noted, given that the vaccine does so little.
The pre-supposition of natural infection leads to a/the inevitable conclusion that "The virus causes infections." that is, you get a shot and develop complications from the vaccine but, because of your stupid supposition, must conclude it was an infection and not the shot.
The chicken pox vaccine doesn't generally give you red splotchy skin. Chicken pox doesn't give you soreness and swelling at the site of non-injection. The rabies vaccines don't make you just a little bit crazy and frothy at the mouth for a couple days. MMR doesn't give you all the same symptoms of MMR... either the vaccine works or it doesn't and you're blame shifting.
OTOH, when I was in the service and flu shots were mandatory, they generally gave me the symptoms of the flu. It's not an infection and the symptoms end in under 24 hours, but I'm ill for a while. I did better after on the whole I left the service and could refuse flu shots.
I think that in me, most of the symptoms of influenza and other blood born infections are the result of my very strong immune system mobilizing to massacre intruders, and in a single shot containing vaccines against several varieties of flu virus at once, it's likely that one vaccine will provoke an excessive reaction. (Flu shots contain multiple vaccines because they're just guessing which varieties will prevail later.)
this is a really gross misunderstanding of reality.
no..... no vaccine gives you ALL of the symptoms of the disease...... but the whole point of a vaccine is to have your body respond to it the same way it does to the disease itself by developing antibodies..... that reaction is generally what causes the adverse effects to the shot. meaning you would likely have those same complications to the disease itself. (like the baseball players who got myocardidis from covid and not the shot.)
Normal vaccines, yes. The ModRNA vaccines - no. The virus is a respiratory virus, and primarily presents in the respiratory system. The ModRNA vaccines probably present most frequently in the circulatory system, presenting as heart attacks and over clotting issues.
But anyway, the Covidians and the anti-vaxxers are basically different side of the same coin.
"Since the 1980s, federal liability protections prevent people from suing vaccine makers."
Well, since that's the case, natural law demands that We the People find another way to bring these murders to justice.
I think we can all just make do with the very public execution of Tony Fauci. That would likely satisfy all people on all sides.
And I'm anti-death penalty as a rule. I'm just saying, this country really needs that guy's head on a stick.
I can't understand any rational person arguing for more bogus lawsuit action. There is a means to get compensation. Go ahead and prove that you were injured by the vaccine and get your money. Almost all of these claims are are just people making a connection that isn't there, i.e., it's a coincidence. Lawyers relish the idea of convincing a jury of stupid people to hand over millions for an injury that has nothing to do with the defendant. Happens all the time.
Doesn’t work that way in real life. Vaccine injury suits are not heard in courts of law, but rather in administrative hearings run by the same bureaucracy that was pushing the vaccines so hard. The success rate has been under 1% of the suits adjudicated.
vaccine makers should not be exempt from being sued. if they make a bad product they should be held financially responsible. that being said, only morons took the rona vaccines. they were untested and unnecessary. we knew this in early 2021 and we know it today.