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Partisanship

Americans Unhappy With Politicians They'll Soon Vote Back Into Office

Congress and the leading presidential candidates are wildly unpopular. But don’t expect new faces.

J.D. Tuccille | 2.5.2024 7:00 AM

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The choose-your-doom game that is American politics continues to be one in which everybody loses. Voters don't think President Joe Biden deserves to remain in office, but they're really no happier with his leading opponent, Donald Trump. People consider Congress even less worthy of continued employment than the current White House resident but seem destined to keep most lawmakers in office, with only minor tweaks around the edges to a body that's likely to remain largely unchanged.

Trying to predict political outcomes these days is best reserved for those who have a high tolerance for public humiliation, but it's a fair bet that dissatisfaction will prevail through and after the upcoming election.

"Fewer than four in 10 U.S. registered voters say President Joe Biden deserves to be reelected, while less than a quarter say the same about most members of the U.S. House," Gallup reported last week.

Those are impressively awful numbers, and you'd expect them to herald a changing of the guard. But Americans tend to be fickle in their contempt.

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Congressional Race to the Bottom

"As is almost always the case, voters are more inclined to believe the U.S. representative from their own district should be returned to Congress, with 55% holding that view," Gallup adds.

To put this in perspective, "the 24% who believe most members deserve reelection is lower than in all recent presidential election years except 2012, when 20% held that view in the late 2011 survey," Gallup observes of Congressional approval numbers.

That should have indicated some sort of change in the offing. But in 2020, amidst withering scorn for the legislative branch, 90 percent or more of members of the House and the Senate who sought reelection won.

"Despite rock-bottom congressional approval ratings, voters reelected their incumbents at near-banana-republic levels in 2012," Politico's Charles Mahtesian observed.

That didn't improve anybody's opinion of Congress, which is why the body still suffers low esteem (though its members' self-esteem remains all too high) and we're talking about this all over again. So, be ready for continuing low opinions, a year from now, of all the lawmakers voters will have just rehired because it's everybody else's congressional representatives who they really hate.

Presidential Unpopularity Contest

But everybody votes for the same president (or, at least, for presidential electors), so you'd think the 38 percent support for returning Biden to office would cast a bit of a shadow over his chances. And it does, especially given that Trump, the guy he turfed out of office in 2020, enjoyed 50 percent support for reelection at this point and still lost.

But unless one or both of these antediluvian retreads shuffles off this mortal coil under the weight of passing years sometime between now and November, we're in for a re-do of the 2020 election. And while few American voters see Joe Biden as worthy of a second term in office, Donald Trump stirs up no more enthusiasm among the voting public.

As of February 4, Biden enjoys 40.7 percent job approval (55.8 percent disapprove) in RealClearPolitics' average of polls. That's not the worst number he's suffered, but it is abysmal. It's also nearly identical to the 40.8 percent favorability rating (54.5 percent unfavorable) for Trump in RealClearPolitics' polling average. Partisans of the major political parties are delivering the country an unpopularity contest between a guy Americans don't think should be president and a rival they already fired from the position.

"Around 59 percent of registered voters are 'not too enthusiastic' or 'not at all enthusiastic' about a rematch between the presidents," The Hill reported two weeks ago of Decision Desk HQ/NewsNation poll results about the looming battle of the political pariahs. "Only around 41 percent said they are 'very enthusiastic' or 'somewhat enthusiastic' about the rematch."

"The public is not looking forward to a potential Biden-Trump rematch in 2024," AP-NORC polling found before the holidays. "Fifty-eight percent would be dissatisfied if Donald Trump was the Republican nominee and 56% would be dissatisfied if Joe Biden was on the ticket for the Democrats."

That's not to say there's no enthusiasm for 2020 nostalgia. After the New Hampshire primary, Biden aides told Politico they hope Trump is the Republican nominee. "Those aides believe that Trump poses a far greater threat to the nation's democracy than any of his Republican rivals would. But they also feel the most confident about their chances in that looming matchup."

Translation: Team Biden thinks Trump might kill the republic, but at least its stumbling entry has a chance to beat him! Unfortunately, the public will take the real beating from both miserable campaigns in the process.

It Doesn't Have To Be This Way

The country doesn't have to punish itself like this with political selections that come pre-rejected. Reason's Matt Welch pointed out last week that 2024 presidential ballots will feature third-party and independent alternatives for those tired of playing a dreaded game of choose-your-doom.

"Most states' ballots will feature at least five, maybe six" White House hopefuls, he wrote.

Unhappy voters could also shake things up in congressional races where, believe it or not, candidates who have yet to disappoint constituents (give them a chance) often throw their hats in the ring. Yes, 32 House seats went uncontested by either Democrats or Republicans in 2022. But that still leaves third-party and independent candidates in many cases, leaving at least some choice for the majority of congressional seats.

Except, again, Americans are most angry at everybody else's congressional representation.

The smart money says that, as disgruntled as Americans are with the country's elected officials and those officeholders' potential replacements, they're not about to look beyond their usual menu of political options. That would require changing bad habits, which is harder than complaining. Voters may claim to be tired of the grim, old political game, but they keep playing by the same rules.

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  1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

    Trump is polling better than he did in 2016 don’t worry your little head about it though.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      These guys are gonna go nuts when he wins.

      1. Minadin   1 year ago

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  2. MasterThief   1 year ago

    You have to wonder what this election would look like if the media covered both honestly. A comparison of their records would make the choice abundantly clear to most people. Tuccille is honestly just aiding and abetting a corrupt media who pushes authoritarian marxism while trying to equate Trump's flaws to an outright assault on our society.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   1 year ago

      an outright assault on our society.

      I consider the Cares Act an outright assault on our society. And I hold any politician who signed off on it and subsequent bills as perpetrators. That includes Don Trump.

      1. TJJ2000   1 year ago (edited)

        Sadly the only Politicians you have left to vote for is Rand Paul and Thomas Massie. But as far as Supreme Court Justices are concerned the Trump appointed have demonstrated they'd be far more likely to uphold the Supreme Law (preventing the illegal Cares Act) than Bidens appointed.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          What about that guy in Argentina? Or Joe Rogan?

    2. Roberta   1 year ago

      I'm afraid that even if the choice were abundantly clear, too many voters are now as corrupt as the politicians.

      1. middlefinger   1 year ago

        The local governments and private part of the private/public partnerships loves the fat taste of that magic money printer and federal tax dollars.

        The term private company and non profit get a new meaning. A race to bankruptcy decline, rot and suffering.

        Anyone who can afford a good tax attorney will continue to vote for MMT / private/public collusion.

  3. Paul Sand   1 year ago

    "Americans Unhappy with Politicians They'll Soon Vote Back into Office" -- certainly a headline worthy of the Babylon Bee.

    1. Foo_dd   1 year ago

      reality has been making it hard to come up with original satire.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      Only ironic if we assume people are thinking beings, or at least able to consistently connect their emotional reactions. But Democracy!

      1. You're Kidding   1 year ago

        I'm all for a return of the old: To vote in elections, one must be 18 or over and hold title to real property in their name.

    3. Fetterman's Hump   1 year ago

      Came here to say exactly that.

  4. Sandra (formerly OBL)   1 year ago

    I wonder if Biden will get more "reluctant" votes from Koch-funded libertarians than he did last time.

    #CheapLaborAboveAll

    1. JesseAz   1 year ago

      The article they will never live down. You would assume a mea culpa article would have been published at some point, but nope.

      1. mad.casual   1 year ago (edited)

        You would assume a mea culpa article would have been published at some point, but nope.

        Russian Dossier, FBI Collusion, COVID, J6, “Mostly Peaceful”, “ANTIFA is an idea”, Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn’t have been there… the closet full of stories about top tier news events that Reason utterly failed to provide even a basic libertarian take on (or failed to apologize or course correct for) is an avalanche waiting to bury anyone who opens the door.

        Oddly, much like the administration itself. Almost cultural really...

        1. You're Kidding   1 year ago

          You forgot the most destructive one: George Floyd.

          Didn't that prove that cops are nothing but racist, bigoted neanderthals that get off on killing people on camera no less?

    2. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

      Support expensive labor with YOUR money, Sandra!!! Are you paying all of your excess money yet, to the homeless NATIVE BORN bums under the bridge, for them to conduct their "squeegee racket" on YOUR windshields yet?

      1. Fats of Fury   1 year ago (edited)

        The new undocumented tourist migrants are doing the squeegee racket work that Americans under the bridge wont do.

        https://www.axios.com/local/denver/2024/01/31/migrant-crisis-squeegee-workers-safety-jobs

        1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

          I agree with Joe Biden and the Demon-Craps on this one! What we need to do is to UNIONIZE squeegee racketeers, be they legal or illegal!!! If we greedy drivers REFUSE to pay them enough, they need to go on STRIKE!!!

          #FairPayForFairSqueeGeeRacketeeringWork

  5. JesseAz   1 year ago

    I'm sure that the new 350 page border bill filled with gish gallop to essentially allow Mayorga and Biden to allow in nearly 2M illegals a year will help their numbers.

    1. Minadin   1 year ago

      That bill is a complete abomination. It should cost $0 to enforce the current laws. The bill gives $60 billion to Ukraine and $20 billion to Israel, then spends about $20 billion on the border, but on WHAT for the border?

      Enforce the current laws. Fire all the bureaucrats and politicians.

      1. You're Kidding   1 year ago

        The nature of bureaucracy is that it protects itself above all else. Thus, they can't be fired.

        And, politicians can't be fired. They are elected. And, we must wait them out or recall them. People's attention spans are too short to address this.

  6. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

    All of us (nearly all of us) are TOO busy pussy-grabbing the enemy, to bother to spend time to look for better, younger, more open-minded candidates!!! "Anybody butt Trump" versus "Anybody butt Biden", say all of us butt-holes, and we're (almost) ALL too lazy, stupid, and self-righteous to vote for ANYONE who is NOT busy pussy-grabbing "the enemy"!!!

    Meanwhile, the REAL enemy is super-large Government Almighty, which pussy-grabs us ALL, right smack dab in our overgrown, self-righteous pussy-grabbers!

    1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

      Actually, by and large, this is the way things have always been, and perhaps always will be, so long as humans are humans. Evolution and sociobiology have given us tribalism and "do-gooder derogation".

      Our human brains today are evolutionary hodge-podges of layer stacked upon layer. Fish brain, then amphibian brain, reptile brain, monkey brain, ape brain, and hunter-gatherer brain. My-tribe-right, your-tribe-is-lesser (or worse) belongs to hunter-gatherer brain. Prophets and seers, seekers and teachers, throughout the years, have criticized their tribes for this. “This ain’t right”, they say! They have called us forwards into the next stage of evolution! And they (at the extremes) have been killed for it! This “kill-the-prophets” thing is likely programmed (instinctively or emotionally) into the hunter-gatherer brain. A polite phrase for it is the “do-gooder derogation” instinct. A more in-your-face term for it might be to call it the Jesus-killer (Mahatma Gandhi-killer, Martin Luther King Jr.-killer, etc.) instinct. There’s very little good news in there for the INDIVIDUAL prophet or teacher. What little good news in this phenomenon is that AFTER we have killed the prophet, THEN we often at least START to listen to what they had to say!

      Instead of KILLING Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi-killer, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., we'd be better VOTING for these kinds of people! But we will NOT, 'cause they Hurt Our Precious Baby Feelings, by giving tribalism and do-gooder derogation the disrespect that they (we self-righteous tribalists) SOOO thoroughly deserve!

      To understand all of this better, see the below...

      “Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .

      Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! ALSO because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        Then they crucified Jesus..

        A tribe that you don’t belong to, I presume.

        1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

          I try my best to belong to the NON-tribes that do NOT believe in knee-jerk self-righteous tribalism, NOR in do-gooder derogation!

          So how about YOU? Do you try to belong to the tribes of Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., or to the tribes of Jesus-KILLERS, Mahatma Gandhi-KILLERS, AND Martin Luther King Jr.-KILLERS, etc.?

          1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

            You didn’t answer my question.

            1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

              You were entirely TOO stupid to even phrase the question clearly! Twat, the tribe of Jesus, the Jews, the Romans, the Romulans, the Lizard People, the Samaritans, or the Jesus-killers?

              Do you support stuff, or stuffy stuff? Or do you straddle the fence on that one?

      2. You're Kidding   1 year ago

        In other words, only martyrdom works to change the world.

        You go first.

        1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

          Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., are all dead and gone, and we are STILL killing each other in the name of ALL sorts of tribalism! It's a futile cause! So you (we) stupid, dumb, and blind idiots just KEEP RIGHT ON doing shit!

          Do YOU have a better fix? What, killing all of those who belong to the WRONG tribe? Has this EVER worked yet, in the long term? Why should it suddenly start to work now?

    2. Fetterman's Hump   1 year ago

      SQ, this post was tolerable. You went a bit far with the "pussy grabbing" bit, but you are mostly correct.

  7. JFree   1 year ago

    None of the above is not an option?

    Is there an option that involves no effort on my part?

    1. MatthewSlyfield   1 year ago

      Stay home on election day.

      1. JFree   1 year ago

        That'll be the 6th time in the last 8 elections for Prez

        1. Minadin   1 year ago

          Well, bye.

  8. sarcasmic   1 year ago

    These two goons are the best the country has to offer? We're doomed.

    1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

      Really? How did you suffer when trump was in office?

      1. JesseAz   1 year ago

        Mean tweets and conspiracy theorists who turned out to be right the entire time making him look stupid.

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

          He hates looking stupid, and he is stupid a lot.

      2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        Not so much when he was in office, but since he's left office he's managed to get tens of millions of Americans to lose faith in both elections and juries. That's not going to lead to anything positive.

        1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

          .. lose faith in both elections and juries.

          Said the guy who never votes.

          1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

            I'm not going to vote against the lesser of two evils. Give me someone I can actually support and I'll sign up.

            1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

              I’m sure they’ll be grateful for your endorsement.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

          I wonder if Democrats and the political-media-infotainment industry had any help with that.

          1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

            No. I put that all on the guy who declared fraud before the votes were even counted.

            1. Minadin   1 year ago

              Well, it's good to have a personal vendetta against an anti-hero, so that you can externalize all of the woe. We wouldn't want to use logic or reason.

              1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                I think I saw that movie.

            2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

              Are you calling Hillary a "guy"?

              1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

                Now that you mention it...

              2. You're Kidding   1 year ago

                Ask Bill. No one else has ever claimed to have gone near her pussy.

                Why is that? Seems a bit sexist. Doesn't it?

          2. Ersatz   1 year ago (edited)

            I wonder if Democrats and the political-media-infotainment -government Science-social media-Online search-etc etc- industry had any help with that

        3. JesseAz   1 year ago (edited)

          Bookmarked for the stupidity.

          Dems still talk about Ohio and Gore retard.

          The 2020 cleanest election ever narrative, trust the state is even more retarded.

        4. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

          That’s like saying blacks made people lose faith in lynchings.

    2. MatthewSlyfield   1 year ago

      What makes you imagine that "the best the country has to offer" would want to be president?

      1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        True.

      2. You're Kidding   1 year ago

        Exactly!

        Remember, Washington declined to run for a third term and even pontificated on the dangers of such a president.

        FDR on the other hand..................

  9. n00bdragon   1 year ago

    This gets funnier every year.

    1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

      It's democracy in action
      so put your freedom to the test!
      A big fat turd or a stupid douche
      Which do you like best?

      1. defaultdotxbe   1 year ago

        Some things never change
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E7pfsneLSSM

        1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

          One thing, though, a giant douche has at least theoretically some utility, if it is used to wash out a swampy vag. A shit sandwich, OTOH, has no utility at all.

          1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

            Shit sandwiches can fartilize the fields, and the photosynthetic autotrophs can use them as feedstocks to synthesize more food for us! Which does also sound like a practical use for Der TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer, and-or Der BidenFuhrer!

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

            See, you summoned SQRLSY by mentioning shit as food.

            1. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

              Oh, that's who's in that grey box?

              1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

                What, you're too stupid and-or lazy to read it for yourself, and see for yourself? Do you also ask the more hard-working and diligent people around you to wipe your nose and scratch your ugly butt?

              2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   1 year ago

                It isn’t dead yet. Someone should euthanize it.

                1. SQRLSY One   1 year ago

                  Hey Punk Boogers! Here's twats-a-happenin'! HERE is your “fix”! Try shit, you might LIKE shit!!!

                  https://rentahitman.com/ … If’n ye check ’em out & buy their service, ye will be… A Shitman hiring a hitman!!!

          3. You're Kidding   1 year ago

            Uh, you never saw "Fried Green Tomatoes". Did you?

  10. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   1 year ago

    All either party had to do to win was nominate a fairly personable 40ish boilerplate candidate.

    But NOOOOO, stupid Dems stuck with the senile old man and idiot Repubs renominate the Con-man criminal raving bag of orange-flavored shit.

    1. JFree   1 year ago (edited)

      The whole point of lesser evilism is that DeRp will win regardless of who they nominate – 40ish, 80ish, corpses, zombies, you know who, etc. It’s all a test to see how much worse each iteration can get while voters continue to accept it all.

    2. n00bdragon   1 year ago

      Parties don't nominate candidates, their voters do. Biden is an incumbent so weak he actually has challengers, something which literally doesn't happen most of the time. Meanwhile, absolutely no one likes Trump but he's driven everyone else out of the party so only his die-hard cultist dupes are left.

      1. Don't look at me!   1 year ago

        … absolutely no one likes Trump ..

        Current events indicate otherwise.

      2. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        absolutely no one likes Trump

        You read the comments dude? The lengths some people will go to defend the man show that they positively adore him.

      3. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

        Parties don’t nominate candidates, their voters do

        The 2020 candidates were told to step down to support Biden and they did. Voters be damned, In 2024 they won't let RFK jr. on the ballot.
        Meanwhile, absolutely no one likes Trump

        You mean no one who is Anyone, right?

    3. MatthewSlyfield   1 year ago

      Senile Old Man vs Orange Man Bad 2.0

    4. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   1 year ago

      I look forward to your personal agony once Trump is elected. Maybe it will kill you.

      I can’t wait to find out, you child raping traitor.

  11. Medulla Oblongata   1 year ago

    Reason staff will strategically vote for...?

    1. MatthewSlyfield   1 year ago

      Cthulhu, the lesser of three evils.

      1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

        Giant meteor.

        https://votegiantmeteor.com/

  12. shadydave   1 year ago

    Well maybe if people didn't throw a fit every time someone dared ask to evaluate the integrity of our elections, the incumbent advantage (IE the people in charge of appointing the people to run the elections) wouldn't be quite so large.

    If you don't think having your people on the inside doesn't lead to at least a 5 point advantage...

    1. Foo_dd   1 year ago

      the incumbent advantage is primarily due to voter laziness and name recognition. it has nothing to do with who runs the elections. it never has. (none of the incumbents discussed in this article have ANYTHING to do with running the elections.)

      1. defaultdotxbe   1 year ago

        "Don't change horses in the middle of a stream" and politicians make sure we are *always* in the middle of a stream.

  13. Roberta   1 year ago

    ...

    2024 presidential ballots will feature third-party and independent alternatives for those tired of playing a dreaded game of choose-your-doom.

    But voters want them even less.

    I don't think there's anything particularly American about this dilemma. It's just that half the voters want to stick it to the other half, and that could be true anywhere in the world at any time.

  14. Moderation4ever   1 year ago

    Americans leave themselves little choice because they too often back their politicians into corners. No politician can win by saying thing as are working pretty well, and I don't expect to make much change. Politicians have to promise the sky and then leave us disappointed when they come up short. What is getting worse is that the politicians rather than admitting they over promised now blame the other side for the failure to deliver on the politician's own over the top promise.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 year ago

      No broad participation democracy can resist creating threats and offering salvation, plus free stuff.

  15. Uncle Jay   1 year ago

    Isn't it wonderful we all live in a country where we can vote for crooks, fools and incompetents?
    Golly, I'm so glad I live here instead of Argentina where the masses had the temerity to put someone sane in office.
    I mean, if we don't vote for a democrat or a republican turd, then we'll have peace, prosperity and some respect in the world, and who needs all that?

  16. Diane Reynolds (Paul. they/them)   1 year ago

    I disagree. There seems to be a lot of people happy with the two frontrunners.

    For instance, here's today's front page in my local rag.

    With a single word — ‘lover’ — Trump employs familiar playbook in tweaking his investigators33 minutes ago

    How two sentences in the Constitution rose from obscurity to ensnare Donald Trump VIEW

    Haley uses her appearance on ‘SNL’ to poke fun at her Civil War gaffe and jab at a stand-in Trump

    And then the articles on Biden:

    Biden’s vow of affordable internet for all is threatened by the looming expiration of subsidies 1 hour ago

    The Seattle Times editorial board recommends: Joe Biden for U.S. president | Editorial

    So it seems pretty clear that SOMEONE's not entirely unhappy with ALL the candidates.

    1. Dillinger   1 year ago

      >>Haley uses her appearance on ‘SNL’ to poke fun at her Civil War gaffe and jab at a stand-in Trump

      I did not see it but am guessing this must have been the worst guest spot in 50 years of SNL

  17. TJJ2000   1 year ago

    Reason publishes another Boaf Sidezzzzzz..... Article.

    Trump was the most Libertarian leaning president anyone has ever seen in the last century yet Reason takes the leftarded TDS routine.

    Rounded off with an article pushing the Paris Accord dictates.

    1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

      Anything libertarian that Trump did was incidental, as in not based upon any principle.

      1. Foo_dd   1 year ago

        i don't think those who make this claim understand the words "libertarian" or "principle" very well.

      2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   1 year ago

        So?

      3. Ersatz   1 year ago (edited)

        Even if that were true the Dems are like a blind squirrel with autism. Not only could they not even accidentally find a nut – they are just hyper-focused on their socialist errors and divisive progressive pandering (and manipulation of powerin search of more power) so they never once find a nut of libertarianism.

  18. Dillinger   1 year ago

    >>Congress and the leading presidential candidates are wildly unpopular.

    I don't care about polls but you guys do and the dude with the 500 point lead everywhere being called unpopular and being compared to Congress and the current White House God seems unscientific

    1. CE   1 year ago

      Yeah, one of the leading presidential candidates is wildly unpopular.

  19. MWAocdoc   1 year ago

    There are psychological studies (for what they're worth) that show that most people would rather hold their noses and vote for someone they believe can win than vote for someone they prefer they believe cannot win. There are even more people who will vote against the party they had regardless of how bad their own party's candidate is.

    1. sarcasmic   1 year ago

      “Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule—and both commonly succeed, and are right.”

      ― H. L. Mencken

    2. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

      Trump voters are voting against the democrat party AND against the republican party. The establishment R's have nothing but contempt for the people who vote for them.

      1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   1 year ago

        Very true. A vote for Trump is a vote against Bitch McConnell, Pierre Delecto, etc.. and there really isn’t a better alternative.

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   1 year ago

          The left either can’t or won’t recognize this.

    3. CE   1 year ago

      I always vote for the candidate I prefer, otherwise, what's the point? I would rather my vote be counted among the 1 to 3 percent of disgruntled voters than counted toward a candidate I don't like anyway.

  20. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

    Dominion voter machines, fortified for our pleasure. - DNC

    1. CE   1 year ago

      That's called sleight of hand, or the old switcheroo.
      No one found any mis-programmed or mis-counting voting machines.
      But the ballots being fed into them, now those could be harvested freely in many states, and the once-strict signature matching and deadline-beating requirements were sufficiently loosened in advance that the count was fortified.

      1. Fats of Fury   1 year ago

        https://www.ajc.com/politics/witness-shows-how-to-tamper-with-georgia-elections-in-security-trial/WUVKCYNV3ZGOVNB6X6TDX2GEFQ/

        1. Ersatz   1 year ago (edited)

          “Yeah – but you dont have video of this actually happening along with the signed confession of the people responsible – both for planning and carrying out the manipulations.”

  21. CE   1 year ago

    Because everyone hates Congress (in the aggregate), but not his or her own Congressperson. Because the districts are drawn up such that the other candidate is even less appealing to the voters in that district.

  22. Shoreline1   1 year ago

    Voting doesn't help solve problems, the people are not in control of their government, government is not responsible for its actions.

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