The Battle of the Sexes Turns Political
Political polarization poisons yet another area of life.

Political polarization and the acceleration thereof have been headline-grabbers for years, and the so-called battle of the sexes is of much older vintage. But what happens when you blend the two into a growing partisan divide between men and women? Well, you end up with warnings that the sexes are diverging in their politics, with all that implies—whatever that might be.
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Political Battle of the Sexes
"In countries on every continent, an ideological gap has opened up between young men and women," writes John Burn-Murdoch at the Financial Times. "Tens of millions of people who occupy the same cities, workplaces, classrooms and even homes no longer see eye-to-eye."
Burn-Murdoch highlights data from South Korea, the U.S., Germany, and the U.K. In each country, women are swerving left while men are tending right. In the U.S., Germany, and the U.K., women's leftward swing is most pronounced, while in South Korea the larger movement is among men becoming more conservative.
"In the US, Gallup data shows that after decades where the sexes were each spread roughly equally across liberal and conservative world views, women aged 18 to 30 are now 30 percentage points more liberal than their male contemporaries," notes Burn-Murdoch. "That gap took just six years to open up."
In the U.S., men's opinions drifted left about 10 years ago before moving back to the center. The biggest change has been the leftward surge among women, echoed in other countries.
Diverging political opinions between the sexes were called out earlier, by Jean Twenge, who wrote in her 2023 book Generations: "Among liberals, the future is female, and among conservatives, the future is male."
Guys May Be Conscientious Objectors
Twenge's conclusions were challenged by, among others, Daniel Cox of the American Survey Center. He agreed that young women are trending liberal, but that young men currently look more moderate or politically noncommittal than conservative.
"One important reason the politics of young men is so difficult to pin down is that so few have participated in institutions that shape their values and help them identify their purposes," Cox added. "Young men may also take longer to define themselves because masculinity itself can be difficult to define in modern culture. It's frequently treated as a pejorative, but it's a quality many young men still aspire to."
With the left, in recent years, harping on "toxic masculinity" while conservatives promote traditional male characteristics, it's no wonder that attitudes towards masculinity have become predictors of political affiliation in the U.S. But a similar divergence in politics seems to be taking place in other countries.
Alice Evans, a gender researcher and visiting fellow at Stanford University, attributes the political divergence along sexual lines to economic and cultural frustrations, less mixed socializing, and self-aggrandizing "influencers" playing on gender differences for personal gain.
Separate Communities Growing Apart
In the West, older men and women tend to have similar views because "they came of age at a time of shared cultural production and mixed gendered socialising," she writes. "But now – in economically developed and culturally liberal societies – young men and women seem to be growing apart. Evidence points to economic frustrations, social media filter bubbles and cultural entrepreneurs."
"Failure to address this gap may impede heterosexual love, friendships and family formation," Evans cautions. She suggests the divide might be bridged by growing prosperity, bursting social-media bubbles, and cross-gender friendships.
Cultural attitudes and economic shifts are very real and can certainly drive resentment as some groups lose status or are flat-out denigrated. Psychologist Helen Smith wrote the 2014 book, Men on Strike, about male reactions to a "system that seems to be increasingly stacked against them."
Segregated communities also tend to be self-reinforcing. We've seen that as Republicans/conservatives and Democrats/liberals geographically relocate themselves to like-minded communities where people share the same viewpoints.
"America is growing more geographically polarized — red ZIP codes are getting redder and blue ZIP codes are becoming bluer. People appear to be sorting," NPR noted in 2022.
"Groups of like-minded people tend to become more extreme over time in the way that they're like-minded," commented Bill Bishop, who wrote about the phenomenon in 2008's The Big Sort.
If young men and women aren't socializing together to the same extent as their parents and grandparents, but are discussing politics and other important issues in separate communities, they may drive already conflicting views farther apart.
Policy Preferences May Not Match Partisan Differences
But how far apart are men and women, really? It's one thing to say that women are veering to the left and men to the right, but what does that mean? The answer is: It sort of depends.
Ohio State political scientist Tom Wood found that, when you compare answers to questions on specific policies such as gun control, abortion, and taxes, women do indeed come off as more to the left than men. But when you compare the differences in the answers, as Jan Zilinsky of the Technical University of Munich did, on most issues the policy gap isn't that big.
Are policy preferences more important than political tribe identity? That's something of an open question, though recent experience in the U.S. suggests that tribal identity is very important. Burn-Murdoch of the Financial Times points to diverging voting patterns between men and women, which can have big consequences no matter what people prefer on specific issues.
"It would be easy to say this is all a phase that will pass, but the ideology gaps are only growing, and data shows that people's formative political experiences are hard to shake off," adds Burn-Murdoch.
At a moment when political differences already seep into everyday life and ruin everything, perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that relations between the sexes are also falling victim.
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Are policy preferences more important than political tribe identity? That's something of an open question, though recent experience in the U.S. suggests that tribal identity is very important.
Conform or be cast out.
Or finding like minded people gives you a sense of belonging and creates safety in numbers. Bottom up grouping should not be disparaged in the same way top-down grouping is. People have a right to self-select. The government… or you… have no right to tell people they are grouping up wrongly and really they belong in a different group so you better start acting like it.
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The thing I've noticed about political tribalism is that people will find themselves drawn to a tribe over one or two issues that are important to them, then they must adopt and defend everything (or everyone) else the tribe stands for. Or else. Individual thought is only allowed within narrow limits. Go beyond that and you get drummed out.
Did you organize your thoughts with Jeff and shrike?
Suggestion: Ask how much of your observation applies to yourself and your ilk at even a 1% rate. You just might learn something enlightening.
Leftard self-projection. The glaring character strength of criminals-at-heart. As-if prison walls didn’t demonstrate that completely. "Everything about me and what I've done is always those other people’s fault."
“Among liberals, the future
isidentifies as female, and among conservatives, the future is male.”The liberal future isn’t female. It’s a bunch of Crazy that thinks that identifying as female somehow wins victim or virtue points or is somehow radically different. Kathleen Kennedy, #metoo, HRC, Kamala Harris, in a different sense Tulsi Gabbard, and, now, Nikki Haley have pretty conclusively demonstrated that the Progressive/middling GOPe future is not female. The pundits just think it is.
The problem the Left has is that current feminism does not work.
They encourage women to pursue their careers like men and, later, consider marriage and family.
Except women have a far shorter age range for reproduction than men. Women have about 30 years (age 14 - 44 --- and 44 is a massive stretch) while men have a now real serious point where they cannot reproduce.
Convincing women to act like men when, physiologically, they simply aren't made that way has screwed up lots of women and turned lots of men angry at the women who gripe and moan because they all seek the same 5% or so of men in the world. Given that men's desires are, overall, more attainable than women's (6 feet tall is a serious minority, 6 figure salaries are even more of one), problems are just growing.
Yeah, most western women, especially in the US and UK, have completely unrealistic standards for what kind of man they actually deserve.
They basically want a guy who looks like a Greed god; is going to break his back so the women can spend like drunken sailors on restaurant outings with the girls, luxury vacations, and other frivolities; will be okay with women saying "your money is our money and my money is my money" if the women decided to work full time; and will be okay with the men not having any hobbies while the woman does whatever the fuck she feels like, whenever she feels like it.
And then these same dumb bitches start to wonder why these good looking, well-off dudes use them as cum receptacles while they rack up body counts in the double or even triple digits, or pop out an illegitimate kid or two, and then wonder why Mr. Stability looks at them and goes, "Hah, not worth the aggravation." Or why even average guys decided that going through the humiliation ritual wasn't worth the slim chance you might get to pop a load with them.
They encourage women to pursue their careers like men and, later, consider marriage and family.
Except women have a far shorter age range for reproduction than men. Women have about 30 years (age 14 – 44 — and 44 is a massive stretch) while men have a now real serious point where they cannot reproduce.
The other notable exception is that men were never really encouraged to do that either. Nobody was ever telling boys “Work until you’re 40 or 50, you own two homes and/or manage your own business, *then* start a family.” Certainly lots of men got caught up with the military or the law such that they couldn’t until they were 40 or 50 but no one told them to do that (legal-wise, rather the opposite).
Their expectations have turned into the sociopathic perceptions of how they perceived men as dominating various positions and fields, not as how men actually came to dominate those fields.
It’s very much like ENB’s retardation about abortion where you can’t ban abortion because then women will be reduced to using wire coathangers in back alleys… and that includes not banning the use of wire coathangers in back alleys… even though nobody uses coathangers in back alleys anymore and maybe never did.
They don’t care about women or men or happiness or jobs or society, they just care about assuaging their own neuroses.
The other notable exception is that men were never really encouraged to do that either. Nobody was ever telling boys “Work until you’re 40 or 50, you own two homes and/or manage your own business, *then* start a family.” Certainly lots of men got caught up with the military or the law such that they couldn’t until they were 40 or 50 but no one told them to do that (legal-wise, rather the opposite).
This is actually a really good point, and it’s one of those subtle points that so right there, so in your face, so completely obvious, that it goes totally unnoticed. It’s like the ground under your feet.
Certainly lots of men got caught up with the military or the law such that they couldn’t until they were 40 or 50 but no one told them to do that (legal-wise, rather the opposite).
Right. It's not just the average age of first-time women parents that has gone up, the same has been true for men, too.
"Feminism is dedicated to making women unhappy." (Dennis Prager)
I've been told The Force is female.
If it was, women would be watching those shitty movies. They do not watch them either.
So is bankruptcy.
Between George Lucas and Kathleen Kennedy, I'm pretty certain The Force is an STD.
...And the root-cause of it all? Democratic [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism].
The ideology that the [WE] identity-mob RULES!
Which US Politics has been playing that game for quite some time.
Entirely in contrast to the principles of the US Constitution.
It's gang-land politics and which ever [WE] identity-gang gets the majority of Gov-Guns WINS! No principles, no freedoms, no liberty and no justice. It's just the ideology of gang-land POWER.
…because gangsters truly believe in their criminal of hearts that ‘guns’ (gov-guns) make sh*t for them. And their delusions that ‘government’ is not just a monopoly of gun-force is the blinders of the sheep. Which by any amount of human reasoning puts their agenda on a zero-sum resources path to utter destruction (dog-eat-dog).
Maybe the only human asset a monopoly of gun-force (gov-guns) has the ability to deliver is ensuring Individual Liberty and Justice for all.
Now that you mention it, I remember reading somewhere that, from the beginning, Hitler and his Nazi Party received disproportionate support from women.
The Nazis promised Safety—the wokester goddess.
The Battle of the Sexes Turns Political ... Well, you end up with warnings that the sexes are diverging in their politics, with all that implies—whatever that might be.
The sexes have never agreed in their politics. Women always try to maximize safety and resources for women, at the expense of men. This was kept in check in the past because women had concerns for husbands and sons, but they increasingly don't anymore.
"This was kept in check in the past because women had concerns for husbands and sons"
Even this is a problem because it prioritizes safety over freedom.
It doesn't have to "prioritize" one over the other, it should balance the two perspectives. As in "husband and wife sit down and talk about issues, work it out, and then vote together".
+100000 Well Said ... The "at the expense of" needs to be kept in check as it's the very definition of Justice.
It's no coincidence that prohibition followed women's suffrage so quickly.
I still love how HR departments are overwhelmingly female --- yet all of these harassment problems et al exist in major corporations.
At what point do you stop blaming men and blame the women who hire and train the employees?
Lets you hire the cute females in HR.
Because there are no cute female engineers.
You can’t even get that right. Goddamn shrike.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Wrong.
that is incorrect. The 18th amendment was ratified before the 19th.
While the 19th came after the 18th, there were a lot of places with women's suffrage prior to the 19th.
https://news.ballotpedia.org/2020/08/05/before-the-19th-amendment-the-womens-suffrage-movement-campaigned-for-54-ballot-measures-in-30-states/
In 1893, Colorado became the first state to pass a standalone constitutional amendment on women’s suffrage. The male electorate approved the amendment 55% to 45%.
Colorado was going through a populist revolt at that time, including electing an actual Populist party governor, Davis Waite, who lasted one term before getting bounced, probably due to his running for re-election during a time when there was an un-spoken rule about governors only doing a single term in office. The state had gained a ton of new residents, especially for work in extractive industries, and was roiled by labor wars all the way into the early 1920s.
Ohio State political scientist Tom Wood found that, when you compare answers to questions on specific policies such as gun control, abortion, and taxes, women do indeed come off as more to the left than men. But when you compare the differences in the answers, as Jan Zilinsky of the Technical University of Munich did, on most issues the policy gap isn't that big.
Someone needs to learn about revealed preferences vs stated differences.
Someone also needs to learn about cultural differences; Germany is a couple of decades behind the US on this curve.
The biggest divide is between those who know that there actually are only men and women, and those who pretend there are many more choices, and that the choice can change.
Burn-Murdoch highlights data from South Korea, the U.S., Germany, and the U.K. In each country, women are swerving left while men are tending right. In the U.S., Germany, and the U.K., women's leftward swing is most pronounced, while in South Korea the larger movement is among men becoming more conservative.
Oh, this is one of those articles. Liberal and conservative do not mean the same things in foreign countries that they do in the US and seeing a paragraph like this just makes the entire article look silly. It's pushing a narrative rather than analyzing any actual facts.
I'm interested...what do they mean in Korea? Germany I have some idea of.
The liberals in Korea are the party of devout Christianity and anti-LGBT stuff, but they tend to be suspicious of the United States and seek closer ties with China while hating Japan's guts. Conservatives meanwhile are the "modern educated progressives" stumping for free trade and stomping out communist influences. It's not a mirror image of America, but it's definitely its own thing.
while conservatives promote traditional male characteristics
Nothing says “traditional male” like Donnie’s $1400 welfare checks, PPP handouts, and doubling down on unemployment benefits.
Young women don’t want old geezers telling them what to do with their bodies so their leftward lurch is understandable. The relative confusion among young men is logical.
It is amazing how you still don't understand how the federal government works despite being here for a decade.
I know your spin too well by now.
Nancy "tricked" Donnie into all that Covid spending as he proudly wanted his signature highlighted on all those welfare checks.
Mitch and Donnie just forgot they controlled 2/3 of government power back then.
Lay off the bullshit. I know how government works better than you ever will.
Nancy “tricked” Donnie into all that Covid spending as he proudly wanted his signature highlighted on all those welfare checks.
Trump dollars don't cause inflation. Only Biden bucks do that.
Jesse is a liar but you knew that.
The Senate wrote the CARES Act in 2020. Mitch doled out the assignments.
Nancy really tricked those poor white Trumpers.
So you know who wrote it. Yet still place all blame on the executive. Strange behavior.
What was the vote total again?
Also cute your tribe has adopted the same bald assertions and uses the same language.
The Senate spent four rancorous days locked in private negotiations over the final details of the bill, as Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin was the Trump Administration's lead negotiator with House and Senate leaders in both parties. Ultimately the negotiations yielded rare bipartisan support, as the bill passed 96-0 in the Senate, with four Senators absent due to virus-related illnesses and quarantines. The House is not in Washington this week and will try to use a number of parliamentary procedures on Friday, March 27, to pass the bill without resorting to asking 435 Representatives to fly back and vote. We expect President Trump to sign the bill on March 27 or March 28, starting the clock on a myriad of tight deadlines to promulgate rules and procedures to transfuse money back into the nation's economic bloodstream.
Now STFU. Mnuchin was in it from the start.
And who was the House Leader that held a yelling contest for a vote? Do tell us. Was that a Republican or a Democrat that thwarted “democracy” so a paper trail couldn’t be found?
There was a member of the House that found this completely disturbing as well as the lack of "democracy" paper trail and was entirely against the whole Act... Please do tell us all was that member a Republican or a Democrat?
Never-mind all those Democrats that went on live TV and insisted the bill just wasn't enough $$$$$$.... Oh no; just forget all of that and the fact that once they won a trifecta continued to REPEAT the exact same bill named ARPA.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Democrats wrote the CARES Act by an 87% margin.
Democrats wrote and passed the ARPA bill by a 100% margin.
You're nit-picking and manipulating and you know it.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Apparently sarc has the same ignorance. Hilarious given the post up top.
Which branch has the power of the purse? Even my 5th grader knows this answer.
Inflationary spending under Trump is the fault of Congress and Trump is not responsible at all.
Inflationary spending under Biden is all his fault because he's a Democrat.
Understood.
Inflationary spending under Trump originated in the House of Democrats.
Inflationary spending under Biden was written and entirely passed entirely because of a Democrat-Trifecta.
You understand nothing because you don't want to understand anything but your own tribalist association/mentality.
Did Trump sign the spending under duress, or to much fanfare?
He got duress from a few Republicans in case you forgot or more likely chose to ignore.
Was this before or after he complained that the spending should be $2000 per person instead of a measly $600?
"Trump dollars don’t cause inflation. Only Biden bucks do that."
Inflation 1/2021: 1.4%
Inflation 1/2024: 3.4%
What changed?
Inflation isn't instant. All I'm saying is that it's intellectually dishonest to give Trump's spending a total pass and blame everything on the other guy. Or, in other words, Monday.
Well not ‘everything’ only a good 95%. Consider the premise. Your trying to blame Trump/Republicans for NOT-STOPPING Democrat pitched bills that were pitched right along with COVID lies by Democrats.
And frankly not blaming Trump entirely for inflation =/= total pass.
Trump lost a lot of respect he could've kept over vetoing it or at least gone out public against it.
But it seems you do as you always do and *imagine* what you want to see happening.
Your trying to blame Trump/Republicans for NOT-STOPPING Democrat pitched bills that were pitched right along with COVID lies by Democrats.
No, I'm saying it's dishonest (and totally expected) to claim all of the inflation was caused by Biden and Biden alone.
Democrats. Not just Biden. As-if Democrats hadn't been pushing wealth distribution, subsidies, printing-money since their very beginning. The Democrats have NEVER believed in Liberty and Justice for all. They've always focused on gang-building and stealing.
Apparently you still don’t.
You do understand that I hate mcconnel and the uniparty right? Lol.
Yes, Trump and Republicans were complete dumb*sses for supporting Democrat wealth distribution.
Yes, Democrats *are* complete dumb*sses for writing it.
Yes, Democrats did a double-dip after winning the election.
We all know your spin all too well by now too.
3/4 - Democrats fault, 1/4 - Republicans fault.....
And you're here trying to sell us all that Mitch and Donnie are the worst things ever to happen in D.C. because apparently 3/4 - 'evil' is better than '1/4'.
Literally no one has ever claimed he was tricked you lying piece of shit.
They’ve pointed out that spending originates in the House and that you Democrat fuck sticks cried when they were told they couldn’t give everyone a unicorn AND a leprechaun.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
The GOVERNMENT forced businesses to shut down.
It was not any of their decision. If they tried to open, the states would shut them down with police force. Happened a few times.
What SHOULD we do to businesses who are closed by no fault of their own because the government demanded that they do so?
Well. The most important thing [WE] can do is realize [WE] do not have a magic wand that turns 'guns' into businesses and LIMITING those 'guns' that gun-force businesses to shut-down. At this point that LIMIT is probably going to have to come from massive defiance since apparently the mystery ballot keeps electing Hitler wanna-be's.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"One important reason the politics of young men is so difficult to pin down is that so few have participated in institutions that shape their values and help them identify their purposes," Cox added. "Young men may also take longer to define themselves because masculinity itself can be difficult to define in modern culture. It's frequently treated as a pejorative, but it's a quality many young men still aspire to."
Answers why men don't participate in the same response.
Why would men join institutions that attempt to demonize them?
Yeh...I think that's part of it. For example, its not that surprising that young women would veer more leftward while men remain more in the middle (according to this article) when you look at the fairly pronounced gender gap in admissions (and finishing) in colleges and then combine that with the lefty arguments that are plentiful in college.
Fuck off cuck. The leftists have politicized the sexes for decades with nary a peep out of your ilk. Only when there is a perceived obstacle to the marxist view do you come scurrying out of the woodwork to declare resistance to a philosophy that hates young men bad.
Maybe use a brain cell for once and try and discern why such a gulf is widening.
With the left, in recent years, harping on "toxic masculinity"...
The term may be relatively recent, but males in the United States have been told they are the problem since the ERA/Title IX heyday over 50 years ago. Men have been bullied for decades with lies like, women are paid less than men for the same work, girls are ignored in school, men are financially better off after a divorce, a woman can do anything a man can do and "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle". Pushing back was only deeper evidence of the patriarchy.
Hell, I'm irked that we still see tons of ads for "help girls do better in STEM" but nothing for boys who are doing far worse in virtually any measure imaginable.
If you gave the education stats of boys and did not say what sex was the "bad" one, you'd have near-unanimous agreement that there is a big problem.
Patrice O'Neal was doing a radio show one time, and a guy called up asking about how to know when a relationship was going south and whether it was worth fighting to keep it. O'Neal said, "If your girl went away tomorrow, what would you miss about her?" When the guy hesitated, he said, "Exactly."
And that's essentially what it's coming to. Men, as a sex, are asking themselves collectively, "if women went away tomorrow, what would we miss about them?", and are largely dipping out because western women in particular simply aren't worth the hassle and aggravation. If cooming is really all they're good for, they certainly don't need one in their bed to accomplish that.
Women, as a statistical demographic, appear to be attracted to a political ideology that allows them avoid reason and accountability.
A supposed quote from the suffragette era was
"Why should we trust the vote to people who wear clothes that button up the back?".
Or Woman are attracted to a political ideology that promises to replace Men with a government sugar daddy to take care of everything
^BINGO. Using Gov-Guns to entitle themselves.
Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
They obviously don't know that government is way more abusive than even the worst wife beater.
Why is this transphobic article restricted to only two of the many genders?
Also seems kinda racist although I can't quite figure out why.
"There is apparently a serious demographic imbalance haunting the dating scene. Far more young women than young men are woke." (source)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
I can't wait to see what the women Reason commenters have to say about this; both of them!
Well the women writers at Reason are busy making sammiches for the undocumented migrants they've welcomed into their homes.
lol... Uncle Sam - miches?
With old fashioned, unwoke biology and psychology, we are taught about differences between men and women, from physiology to intellect and emotion. We used to be able to say that more women than men felt inclined to nurturing and compassion. (Maybe we, or the right experts can still say that in the right context for approved reasons.)
Anyway, caring for others is fine, until it becomes the guiding principle for government. The rise of the nanny state has not only deliberately attacked personal and societal liberties; it has redefined human normality. And like all clever nannies, they constantly make rules and cast all sorts of ideas and behavior as unacceptable.
What could possibly be more "nanny state" than a bunch of old government geezers sitting around a big fancy table in suits telling me what I can and can't do with my own body ?
The old geezer's wives using their hubsands to fight a proxy war against the insistence that women have an unfettered right to abort children down to abortion, on demand, in an alley, with a coathanger, in order to prevent women from suffering the indignity of seeking out an abortion in an alley with a coathanger. And the women insistent on their right to coathanger abortions blaming the men for their insanity.
About as nanny state as it gets all the way around.
Obviously, babbling is not the exclusive prerogative of women.
Why does this only apply to abortion is my question.
I'd respect the feminist movement a lot more if they actually believed that this applied to area's other than abortion.
Yup, freedom means no consequences for personal actions.
Fuck off.
Who are you to say what my consequences are or should be ? You have no standing in my personal , free, non-slavery, medical decisions. *You* eff off.
On the plus side, now that men are tapping out of trying to settle down into a relationship, you won't have to worry about that nearly as much.
So then, you are entitled to a consequence-free life, just because you are in a certain group? Or just because?
And does your lack of responsibility extend to things like contracts? Maybe you want the clock turned back, since women are not capable of adult behavior.
Because the 13th Amendment, that's why. Slavery isn't allowed anymore ... in any form.
As for consequence-free life ? Idk, you straw-manned that topic into the conversation , not me.
Hmmm... So, abortion is slavery, and you're against slavery. Great. Can we now talk about taxation? If the government takes the fruits of your labor (by taking (a good chunk of) your salary, your business income, your estate upon your death, etc.) -- doesn't that kind of make you the government's slave? Since you're totally opposed to slavery, will you join me in opposing all this taxation (which of course would necessitate a drastic reduction in the scope of government activities / expenditures)? Belle? Where did you go...?
If this is a long winded appeal for less taxes, less government busybodies, and more oversight into government by the people instead of oversight into people by the government ... I'm in.
Imagine equating slavery to pregnancy.
Just wow.
Correction : equating slavery to forced pregnancy.
First, no one is forcing you to get pregnant so it would be more like forced gestation or incubation. Neither of which are equivalent to slavery.
Second, if you weren’t forcibly impregnated, pregnancy is a natural outcome of fucking. Slavery isn’t a natural outcome of any activity.
Shit like this is why I will never identify with pro-choice people. Well that and they usually only care about choice in the context of aborting a fetus.
"more like forced gestation or incubation. Neither of which are equivalent to slavery." -- You pegged it. Now explain how forcing reproduction isn't actually worse than forcing in-voluntary labor. Just because a person chose to start working binds them to slavery (forced-labor) because it was their choice to start working in the first place??
You statement needs a correction.
Correction : equating slavery to forced reproduction.
Although I think everyone knew what you meant.
Imagine, after people downplayed indentured servitude to spotlight slavery, invoking "forced pregnancy" like a retard.
Cool, so when somebody jams a spike in your skull cavity we can let them go because "Who are you to say what my consequences are or should be ?" Got it.
If you have no inherent right to life that is correct.
Else every autopsy would be an act of murder.
a bunch of old government geezers...telling me what I can and can’t do with my own body?
The left tells me I can't sell my labor at a price I may want with an artificial wage floor (minimum wage), tells me I can't sell my precious bodily fluids and organs to prevent me exploiting myself, puts less than no effort into drug legalization and selling contraceptives OTC, advocates for mandatory unproven vaccines, and uses armed agents of the state to help themselves to the fruits of my labor to pay for every facet of the welfare state and you think the problem is the right telling you what you can and can’t do with your own body? It is obvious you have put absolutely no thought into the matter outside of killing unborn children.
Abortion Uber alles?
Bad policy doesn't justify MORE bad policy.
Well, that plus all the other nanny state stuff would be a lot more "nanny state".
You mean your body with only half your chromosonal makeup? Gee, what an odd way to ask why you aren't allowed to murder others to escape responsibility for your chosen actions.
If you cannot support ?baby? freedom (i.e. Fetal Ejection) UR supporting Gov-Gun forced reproduction.
The most obvious BS Propaganda Pro-Life spouts is their ‘murder’ claim disguised by their legal-insistence that the supposed ‘victim’ must remain with the supposed ‘murderer’.
It’s *imaginations* running power-mad wild without a single thread tied to reality.
In the West, older men and women tend to have similar views because “they came of age at a time of shared cultural production and mixed gendered socialising,” she writes. “But now – in economically developed and culturally liberal societies – young men and women seem to be growing apart. Evidence points to economic frustrations, social media filter bubbles and cultural entrepreneurs.”
What happened is that the left spent the last 50-plus years “disrupting and dismantling” the American and western cultural consensus and western cultural identities rooted in traditions and history dating back thousands of years. They did it intellectually through the promotion of various flavors of marxist theology in the universities, and for the last 30 years or so at the K-12 level. They’ve done it culturally through mass third-world immigration that, coupled with the inculcation of the oikophobia of western liberals to second and third-generation immigrants to hate the country they migrated to, led the new inhabitants to see the west as something that needed to be torn down to its foundation and rebuilt in the marxist mold. They’ve done it administratively through the capture of corporate boardrooms and management sectors, as well as government offices from the local level, including PTA groups and various city commission boards, on up to the feds. And it’s accelerated in particular ever since Obama was elected, which is absolutely no accident whatsoever.
So no, it’s not a surprise at all that the country and other western nations are teetering on the brink of dissolution. The New Left and their commie intellectual descendants, especially the Critical Theory academics, have effectively and deliberately poisoned the things that held the country together, because as people who believe in perpetual revolution, national stability and common cultural identity is absolutely poisonous to their theology. That’s why they’re constantly pushing for internationalism, especially in neo-marxist flavors like environmentalism that tellingly only punishes western countries, not mass polluters like India and China. It’s why the mutt prime minister of Ireland or the Asian former mayor of Dublin, for example, complains about Ireland being full of too many white people. Because they see the west and “whiteness” as the bourgeois capitalist oppressor that needs to be destroyed.
You've nailed it. In simpler terms; it's always been the left's essential purpose to politicize everything - EVERYTHING.
No, that has proved to be a standard tactic. Their essential purpose is to control everything--EVERYTHING.
I heard Dennis Prager say that he used to think the Left is out to control everything. He now thinks they're out to destroy everything.
>>we shouldn't be surprised that relations between the sexes are also falling victim.
be nice, treat chicks with dignity & respect
I treat my bitches fine, as long as there's no reckless eyeballin'.
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Why would this matter even be raised in the article unless the sexes (I'm so glad the article doesn't say "genders"!) are geographically separating too. Is that happening? Are locales becoming more male, or female?
Anecdotally, I've noticed that the college towns in my region have become majority female, though not by a lot. Also, I've seen rural small towns with little economic opportunity go majority female as the boys leave and the girls and their babies stay behind, living on public assistance. Don't know if these are trends or just local phenomena.
Psychologist Helen Smith wrote the 2014 book, Men on Strike, about male reactions to a "system that seems to be increasingly stacked against them."</I.
*seems* to be. Lol. It is explicit and intentional.
when you compare answers to questions on specific policies such as gun control, abortion, and taxes, women do indeed come off as more to the left than men.
And they always have been. And when I say always I mean all the way back to the dawn of time, and the birth of civilization.
What about say, birds and reptiles?
Or birds and bees?
Biology (remember that) explains the difference between females (with larger, fewer ova) and males (with smaller, greater sperm). And how, in general, females are most vested--and yes, burdened--with the mechanics of reproduction. Over billions of years, evolution conditioned sexual and other behavior to reflect that. One gender is much more adverse to risk, much more inclined to nurture, and generally cautious about interacting with the other gender. But that is not a mandate to run society.
You beat me to it. Yes, the female tendency to be more fearful and more inclined to wallow in negative emotions leads unsurprisingly to leftism.
“Left” and “Right” as political categories only existed since The French Revolution, so that can’t be right.
Robert Heinlein’s Lazarus Long’s two types of people, however, have always existed since the dawn of time:
“Political tags–such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and. so forth–are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”
As for which category the sexes fall into, while women have often been those who want people controlled, they couldn’t have that luxury without men using the muscle to do the actual controlling.
So it’s a wash.
As a Pan, I go for any individual of any sex, orientation, or gender identity who practices the NAP/NIFF…and because sleep typically follows orgasm for men, NAP-ing can follow NIFF-ing as well.
So, to refer back to Lazarus Long quote, Hi, neighbor! Need to borrow a cup of Saltpeter? It doesn’t work on me…or that’s what she, he, and xe/xer said.
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"The biggest change has been the leftward surge among women"
my momma always said that girls are the devil
Just allies with.
Well, being female, she did speak from experience. So listen to your Mother.
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Obviously, I sarc. The Devil doesn't exist, M'Lady, although devilish behavior does.
Can we ban all 1000+ imaginary genders from voting? I don't think suffrage or the amendments that gave women the right to vote were intended to include all of those other genders.
With the left, in recent years, harping on “toxic masculinity”…,,
Irony alert. toxic FEMININITY is the actual villain.
^THIS^ ... The game/scheme of the left is self-projection.
Repeal the 19th.
Make the vote mean less by limiting government power.
^THIS^ 100%.... +10000000000000
As labor & effort move away from needing the brute strength and larger stature that men are born with, to more cerebral “work” that anybody can do from behind a computer screen , the more women are going to wonder why do we have to play second fiddle to men if we are capable of doing the same work ? It is only going to get worse as what was once futuristic daydreaming becomes more a reality in terms of robotics, AI, and everything else that lets a person use their brain instead of brawn.
3D printed buildings, robotic construction, giant robot arms that mimic the users movements instead of require physical body strength, etc. These things are leveling the playing field for women into typically male dominated jobs. It’s getting so that women don’t need men, so much as we like having them. The other shoe that is going to drop is men are slacking in motivation; the drop out rate in education and the increase in voluntary unemployed male numbers verify this.
Lastly, Conservatism tends to push old world, outdated power trends that favor men. Some of us don’t want to be liberals so much as we don’t want to be “under the thumb” of somebody else. This pushes us leftward even though I don’t want to be a pink haired shrew screaming for a manager.
the more women are going to wonder why do we have to play second fiddle to men if we are capable of doing the same work ?
I'll believe this when I never have to open another pickle/salsa/pasta sauce jar... for the next 3 generations.
Seriously, every appliance for the last 70 yrs. has freed women up to have more time to do *anything* else and, for 70 yrs. virtually *none* of you thought "I know! I'll learn how to fix this thing if it breaks and I'll teach my daughters how to do it so that no woman will ever have to do this job again."
To wit... 3D printed buildings <- Tell me you have no idea how buildings get built without telling me you have no idea how buildings get built.
To wit… 3D printed buildings <- Tell me you have no idea how buildings get built without telling me you have no idea how buildings get built.
I'm not sure what you mean by this statement, but just in case ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXUX6dv2_Yo
I’m not sure what you mean by this statement,
I said tell me you don't have a clue *WITHOUT* telling me you had no clue!
"Some of us don’t want to be liberals so much as we don’t want to be “under the thumb” of somebody else."
Who knew women are natural libertarians?!
So, as TJJ2000 would say, how come you keep voting for the Gov-Guns party? Something doesn't add up...
I voted Jorgensen in 2020, for all the good it did.
we don’t want to be “under the thumb” of somebody else.
Uh...leftism is all about being under the thumb of somebody else, and liking it.
the more women are going to wonder why do we have to play second fiddle to men if we are capable of doing the same work ?
Haha, yeah, let us know when women have to pass the same PT military standards as men. I guarantee at least half the female force would be separated within a year, if they didn't completely fuck up their physiology to get to spec first.
And no, labor and effort aren't moving away from needing brute strength. It's just that the uniparty's solution is to continually import mass third world labor to do those jobs, while trying to shift everyone else into a bughive profession. But the work still needs to be done.
Some of us don’t want to be liberals so much as we don’t want to be “under the thumb” of somebody else.
Right. You want all the benefits of being a man, with none of the actual responsibility that requires.
They don’t want to be under the thumb of someone telling them what they can do with the fetus they created through their own actions, so they’ll vote for democrats who put them under their thumb in regards to literally everything else.
Very true, but the Law of Entropy is not be denied and technology does break down.
The overwhelming majority of workers in IT, robotics, mecha-electronics, and mega-scale engineering are men. While there are no legal barriers to women entering these fields, I don’t see them lining up to learn these. So men are still for the time being a necessity.
And ackshuyally, if men have no interest in marriage, family, or children, (look up Red Pill and MGTOW) they really don’t need women either except as arm and body candy. And with AI,, robotics and IVG being what they are, maybe not even then eventually.
Glad to know that you are not one of the pink-haired shrew Karens, of course, but Red Pill and MGTOW are added insurance and repellant against that.
^THIS^ ... The only thing the feminist movement has done is used Gov-Guns to entitle themselves at others expense.
What a load of "I'm a victim" feminist crap. As you so blatantly point out there is absolutely NOTHING ... NOTHING at all stopping women from being able to compete so exactly why was there a "feminist" movement? I'll tell you why. Because they wanted to use 'guns' (gov-guns) as sugar daddies and take respect and honor they couldn't seem or want to *EARN* for themselves.
This is leftard [WE] identity-gangster gun-packing against those 'icky' people 101. If Women *really* believed the men (instead of themselves) were the one's holding them back NOTHING .... I repeat NOTHING has stopped them from doing it all themselves. Start the company, run the company, produce the product and succeed. No sorry Liberty_Belle; your just playing the "victim" card to entitle yourself here.
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This is what "liberal" female future looks like:
https://reason.com/2022/10/03/new-zealand-p-m-jacinda-ardern-peddles-government-censorship-to-an-international-audience/
I, for one, don't want it.
It's hardly surprising given the events of the last decade plus, for example consider how the left has created sex police on campus and are trying to replicate that success everywhere else. Similarly they institute gender discrimination in hiring and regulations. They support removing standards of evidence in favor of emotionalism and mob tactics.
Of course many of the people these tactics favor are going to support them, that's why they do it.
+100000000 Well Said.. "They support removing" ... liberty and justice standards ... "in favor of" ... Gov-Gun ... "emotionalism and mob tactics."
You could have stopped the article half way through...I found your problem...it was right there in the article:
"It's frequently treated as a pejorative, but it's a quality many young men still aspire to."