When Well-Intended Environmentalism Backfires
Housing bats, buying an E.V., and planting trees sometimes end up being counterproductive.

In the late 1990s, my grandfather bought a mail-order bat box as a natural approach to mosquito management. The dark green plywood roost was mounted on tall wooden poles on a sunny patch in the yard and stabilized with tension wires. The catalog promised that the bats would raise their pups inside the box and feast on the mosquitoes that swarmed my grandparents' lakefront yard.
The bat box always seemed like an undisputed win for all parties (save the mosquitoes). But when I started researching a bat box for our mosquito-plagued property in North Carolina, I learned that some off-the-shelf boxes, like the kind my grandfather used, are essentially bat ovens. In hot months, artificial roosts that are poorly located, too small, darkly painted, or insufficiently ventilated can reach lethal temperatures, killing bat pups.
This knowledge rattled me, and I suspect it would have deeply upset my grandfather, who took great pride in his environmental stewardship. But this is how science is supposed to work—hypothesize, test, share, tweak, repeat. Sometimes it's a bummer, but how else can we know if our corrective measures do what we want?
In 2021, several experts debated in the pages of Conservation Science and Practice whether it helped bats to publicize the potential lethality of a bat box. "Telling people their well-intended conservation efforts are wrong is rarely productive," wrote Virgil Brack Jr. and Dale W. Sparks, principal scientists at Environmental Solutions & Innovations, Inc. The subjects of their critique, Reed D. Crawford and Joy M. O'Keefe of the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Sciences at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, replied that they would continue to raise awareness "that the cavalier use of unsuitable boxes could expose bats to deadly temperatures." Both parties agreed the design and deployment of artificial roosts could and should be improved. Once again, the reckoning is uncomfortable but necessary.
Amateur apiarists are rethinking a few things as well. Once considered the environmentalist equivalent of a victory garden, the European honeybee hives that were established in backyards and rooftops around the U.S. in the early 2010s following reports of "colony collapse" could "actually have a negative influence on native and wild bee populations through floral resource competition and pathogen transmission," according to research published in 2023 by conservationists at Concordia University and the University of Montreal.
"For people who say they want to save the bees and they have a honeybee hive, it's kind of like throwing Asian carp into the Great Lakes and saying you want to save the native fish," York University conservation professor Sheila Colla told The Washington Post in May 2023.
The undesirable effects of good intentions scale up pretty quickly when government policy drives environmental efforts. In August, Science reported that 2020 emissions regulations imposed by the United Nations' International Maritime Organization had the desired effect of reducing the amount of sulfur that ships released into the air, as well as the undesired effect of simultaneously reducing the volume of sulfur-based clouds, called "ship tracks," that form along shipping routes and reflect the sun away from the Earth.
"By dramatically reducing the number of ship tracks, the planet has warmed up faster," explained Science reporter Paul Voosen. "That trend is magnified in the Atlantic, where maritime traffic is particularly dense. In the shipping corridors, the increased light represents a 50% boost to the warming effect of human carbon emissions."
In China, ambitious government subsidies for green energy projects in the late 2010s spurred an explosion in electric vehicle (E.V.) development that is now readily apparent in the car graveyards around the country where obsolete E.V.s have been abandoned. "Not only are the sites an eyesore," reported Bloomberg News in 2023, but "getting rid of EVs so quickly reduces their climate benefit considering they're more emissions-intensive to build and only produce an advantage over combustion cars after a few years."
There are even policies where personal conservation and governmental environmental policy collide in a spectacularly horrifying fashion. In a September essay titled "We Thought We Were Saving the Planet, but We Were Planting a Time Bomb" in The New York Times, Canadian novelist and essayist Claire Cameron recounted her own personal reckoning with the time she spent planting trees on logging land in Ontario, only to learn years later that her efforts helped fuel forest fires.
"This was a common—if notoriously grueling—rite of passage for Canadian university students, since it allowed you to make good money while spending a few months outdoors with other like-minded young people. I was driven in part by the idealistic view that planting a tree was always going to be better than not planting one."
Except the trees they were planting were all the same species, water-thirsty and highly flammable, neatly spaced six feet apart. "Much later, I learned that the trees we were planting, black spruce, are so combustible that firefighters call them gas on a stick. The trees evolved to burn: They have flammable sap, and their resin-filled cones open up when heated to drop seeds into charred soil." To make matters more complicated still, the tree-planting program was managed by private timber companies but driven by government incentives.
For some, these unintended consequences will elicit schadenfreude; for others, despair. But there is a silver lining in these revelations, which is that we learn something new every day, month, and year about what kinds of eco-stewardship produce good results as well as what those results cost. While government bodies are not Bayesian actors, individuals and private firms can be. At the human scale, we can react and adapt to new knowledge, avoid or abandon well-meaning disasters, and make choices that have a positive impact on our local ecology.
In some cases, the best thing you can do for the environment is leave it well enough alone. Bats, it turns out, are naturally drawn to roosting in dead tree trunks. My property is full of them.
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Today the half-whit, loud-mouth social scientists insist that we rush into EV's, wind and solar energy. They are seduced by the quiet and clean operation of all three. They completely fail to realize how nasty their supply chains are and what happens after their useful life is over.
Quiet indeed. That is why the wind turbines have to be 300 meters or more from homes, right?
Anyone calling battery manufacturing clean gets his data from comic books.
For the record, no "environmentalist" is well intentioned.
Some conservationists, maybe; but no environmentalist.
It would be best if we left the planet to manage itself.
My reaction too. Environmentalists are just statists with a better label. Good intentions they have not.
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In polite society, it's called "Eco-socialism" but I've used watermelons for many years.
My issue is that few of the proposed "solutions" seem to be based on climate science. I see the occasional discussion of carbon sequestration and that sort of thing, but far more often the "solution" is just a cloak hiding the proposer's socialist SJW motives.
For several years now, the climate alarmists have at least been more and more honest about their goals, and they have little to do with environmentalism or reversing climate change. For many, it's about a new world order based on economic justice (aka: socialism), perhaps with some other SJW buzzwords:
Far-left climate extremist Greta Thunberg unloaded on the world in an op-ed claiming that fossil fuels “are literally” killing mankind, and that they are a threat to “our very existence” as she said that her “climate crisis” agenda is not just about the environment, but about fighting the “colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression.”
Which is largely what the IPCC proceedings on climate change actually talks about.
The IPCC is the ultimate global authority on the subject of climate change. They do a fantastic job of documenting the observed changes and presenting lots of models about the potential changes.
But then they spend as much time addressing poverty and inequality as they do talking about actual solutions (and most of the "solutions" proposed take the form of getting government force people to emit less CO2, by any means required...they call it "behaviour- and lifestyle- related measures" and "demand-side management" but what they really mean is "Enabling this investment requires the mobilization and better integration of a range of policy instruments that include the reduction of socially inefficient fossil fuel subsidy regimes and innovative price and non-price national and international policy instruments.")
The whole report is basically about money, money controlled by governments...https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
"To reduce inequality and alleviate poverty, such transformations would require more planning and stronger institutions (including inclusive markets) than observed in the past, as well as stronger coordination and disruptive innovation across actors and scales of governance."
It's not about climate change or environmentalism, and it really hasn't been for a long time...it's about socialist economic policy--redistribution of wealth. The leaders of the movement readily admit as much.
And by "non-price policy instruments" they mean rationing and central control. Which never works.
they also are now after private vegetable gardens. they want corporate control of everything.
Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, made the revealing admission in a meeting with Democratic Washington Gov. Jay Inslee’s climate director in May. A Washington Post reporter accompanied Chakrabarti to the meeting for a magazine profile published Wednesday: “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all…Do you guys think of it as a climate thing? Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” he added.
(OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): “Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War… First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.
Christiana Figueres, leader of the U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change: “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history.”
Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth: “A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources.”
Fuck Chakrabarti
Fuck AOC
Fuck Edenhofer
Fuck Figueres
Fuck Bridal'
And by fuck I mean shove them into an industrial wood chipper.
Liked: "Fuck Chakrabarti
Fuck AOC
Fuck Edenhofer
Fuck Figueres
Fuck Bridal’
And by fuck I mean shove them into an industrial wood chipper."
"to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history."
She must not read much human history. Top-down government control has been the norm through almost all of history, and it has always proven to be inferior to individual freedom under limited government.
But *this* time the "right people" will be in charge.
Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister: “No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral environmental benefits.... climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Monika Kopacz, atmospheric scientist: "It is no secret that a lot of climate-change research is subject to opinion, that climate models sometimes disagree even on the signs of the future changes (e.g. drier vs. wetter future climate). The problem is, only sensational exaggeration makes the kind of story that will get politicians’ — and readers’ — attention. So, yes, climate scientists might exaggerate, but in today’s world, this is the only way to assure any political action and thus more federal financing to reduce the scientific uncertainty."
Researcher Robert Phalen's 2010 testimony to the California Air Resources Board: "It benefits us personally to have the public be afraid, even if these risks are trivial."
Comic books are far. Ore I formative them the democrats on EV’s. And for the record, the only real ‘green energy’ comes from the main power battery on OA. Home to the Guardians of the Universe, and leaders of the Green Lantern Corps.
In related news Biden is going to spend another 1B on electric busses despite them being a disaster. Primary company bankrupt, parts aren't available for repairs, and in many locations half of the EV busses are already out of commission in just a few years.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/biden-administration-plows-forward-electric-buses-despite-cities-stuck
Logistics and economics are racist. True believers (and Machiavellian politicians) stay focused on the big picture.
The article says "make choices." The Kleptocracy all Ku-Klux MAGAts and commie Dems exhort and extort to empower says "obey or be shot." To republican nationalsocialists, environment means coercing women to breed and/or die in childbed as conscripts against race suicide and non-gin drugs. To Marx-Howells-Bellamy luddites, environment means making energy conversion a felony so all may equally freeze in the dark or die on an operating table in a blackout. Most of my life only the pre-anarco-fascist LP used spoiler votes to make choice legal.
I am 90% sure this is a squirl sock
It is good ole Hank.
Believe or not Hank and Shillsy sometimes fight. Shillsy used to squabble with Hihn too.
It seems that completely insane elderly men are highly territorial.
Hank is slipping further into dementia. Like Hihn did before he died.
While climate change may be a threat that we can affect with our behaviour, the solutions being lauded are developed by the same people who have exaggerated the problem.
If our personal carbon footprint is a measure of our impact on climate change, why don’t we have a universal calculator to input what we do that defines our carbon footprint? Because the wealthy don’t want everyone to see how creating and spending their wealth results in huge carbon footprints.
The wealthy who own all manufacturing, produce cheap plastic but expensive products with increasingly short life. They could make things last 30 years or more, drastically reducing carbon emissions for everything, but that would reduce their wealth so society produces carbon.
The profit motive, greed, the market all define our unsustainable fictional economy.
Instead the wealthy fund proposals like making everyone pay more for everything, the carbon taxes used to fund this circular process without reducing carbon at all.
If every human on earth has an equal responsibility to the planet, then we all are only entitled to the same carbon footprint and THERE IS NO ADVANTAGE TO WEALTH.
"...The wealthy who own all manufacturing, produce cheap plastic but expensive products with increasingly short life. They could make things last 30 years or more, drastically reducing carbon emissions for everything, but that would reduce their wealth so society produces carbon..."
Jean Jacques Rousseau with a swastika.
Swastikas? Like the ones your Jew buddy Zelensky buys with the money you send him for his AZOV battalions?
Imagine a Hamas shill so retarded he accuses Sevo of being in favor of funding Ukraine.
Are you still imagining that one day you might refute anything that I say?
I’ve demonstrated that the lying waste of skin that cowardly calls itself sevo advocates funding the Nazijew Zelensky in Ukraine.
This is what citing proof looks a like fuckwit, something you’ve never done.
Sevo
March.19.2022 at 7:54 pm
Nazi scum is a liar besides; cite just one time backing your bullshit.
Fuck off and die.
Rob Misek
March.19.2022 at 9:41 am
You are a lying waste of skin. What’s the matter, ashamed of yourself? You should be.
You were chiming in with the “stepping up” spirit the other day.
Sending bullets to the Jew Zelensky, puts them in Nazi guns fuckwit.
Sevo
March.7.2022 at 6:09 pm
"NASCAR Team Owner Offers Ukraine 1M Rounds Of Ammunition"
ttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motorsports/nascar-team-owner-offers-ukraine-1m-rounds-of-ammunition/ar-AAUwqPd?ocid=uxbndlbing
https://reason.com/2022/03/07/companies-and-private-citizens-are-stepping-up-to-help-ukrainians/?comments=true#comments
I see the Nazi shit still hasn't found a cite for me supporting US funding of Ukraine.
Fuck off and die, lying pile of Nazi shit.
Hahaha
Still no cite from the Nazi asshole, and there won't be one; shit-stain is lying. Again. Or still.
I’m pleased with the optics
of you chiming in with the spirit of the article “chipping in to support Ukraine” with your link to nascar sending bullets to the Nazijew Zelensky to in turn give them to his Nazis
The cite and link prove it all. You’re a lying waste of skin.
Or maybe you’d like to explain what you meant by posting that link, if not in support of arming Ukraine.
"I’m pleased with the optics..."
Optics is all you got, shit-stain. Facts say otherwise.
"...Or maybe you’d like to explain what you meant by posting that link, if not in support of arming Ukraine..."
That I'm more than happy that people volunteer their money to support what they claim to support. In the case of Ukraine. those guys have my moral support; they were invaded by a neighboring country.
If I had any say in the matter, they would not have my taxpayer support.
Is that clear? Or. like when your hat is handed to you for your lies about the Holocaust, are you too stupid to understand, you slimy pile of Nazi shit?
You lied, Misek, you piece of shit.
You flat out lied.
Nothing in your Sevo quote indicates support for funding Ukraine.
What a dishonest piece of garbage you are.
You admitted that your link was in support, not opposition.
In fact that link you supported was about funding Ukraine with ammunition.
Certainly not merely “moral support”.
You’re a lying waste of skin, caught in the act and exposed for all to see.
I couldn’t be more pleased with these optics.
NASCAR isn't government support, you mendacious garbage. Who the fuck cares if someone gives their own money? As long as it's not the taxpayers.
You just lie, and lie, and lie some more.
Misek, you got caught in another lie. According to your own philosophy, you should kill yourself.
So do it you fucking coward.
"...I couldn’t be more pleased with these optics."
The shit-stain *IS* too stupid to understand and I'm not going to try to put it in single syllables.
“What a dishonest piece of garbage you are.”
I mean, it kind of goes with the territory of him being a Nazi fuckstain.
I proved the fuckwit admitted it “is in favour of funding Ukraine”.
Nuff said.
No you fucking didn't. All you proved is that Sevo's fine with private entities spending their own money on the Ukraine.
You know, like any libertarian would be.
It’s still in favour of funding Ukraine regardless of who’s doing it.
Those bullets it linked to were given to its Jew buddy Zelensky who gave them to his Nazi buddies in the AZOV battalions.
Are all libertarians in favour of funding Nazis?
Or, ya know, well, probably not, Nazis are pretty damned ignorant, but I digress.
Technology changes products. How many products did you buy 30 years ago that you still want to use today? Plates, cutlery, sure. Cars? Stoves? Refrigerators? Maybe. Computers? Phones? Not a chance.
Fuck off, Jack. You don't know better than me or anyone else what I or anyone else wants. You either believe in markets or you don't. You either believe in individuals or you don't.
The day you rail against statists instead of Jews is the day someone might actually think you have some functioning brain cells.
Do you really expect a Nazi to challenge the state?
Thing is when you want something that harms people, whether polluting or Jew genocide in Gaza, good intelligent people condemn and stop you.
The way it is. Suck it up princess.
Those evil Hebrew genociders have barely eliminated 1% of the noble Gaza victimhood, taking Hamas "data" as true. That's way less than even you claim the Nazis accomplished in their final solution.
Misek is a deliberate and purposeful liar.
And about as competent as every statist everywhere, which is to say, he exists, but does nothing but exist.
Oh really?
How many more Jews do I think died in a WW2 holocaust?
Cite required fuckwit.
I dunno. Seven?
Less.
Full
Of.
Shit.
Really, a lot less.
Negative elevnty infinity?
Warmer
"Warmer"
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Hey chemjeff, Buttplug, sarcasmic, mtrueman, Brandyfuck, moderation4ever! Here’s your pal, telling us all that the holocaust is a sinister Jewish lie. You support him, right?
Hey fuckwit, since you’ve never refuted anything that I’ve said, and respond when challenged that you will “next time”.
Here’s another chance.
People who’ve suffered a holocaust don’t turn around and commit one.
The following points refute key elements of the holocaust with logic and science. Truth can’t be refuted.
There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. There is no physical evidence. Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred.
The fact that all evidence that refutes the holocaust is criminal in every nation where it allegedly occurred is especially relevant if you are accepting any evidence at all from those nations.
Refusing to consider evidence is the definition of bias, bigotry and a disregard for justice.
Without objective forensic evidence all we have is a story made up of piecemeal recollections of events from paid and coerced fuckwitnesses.
I refute those stories with correctly applied logic and science.
The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That couldn’t have happened as claimed. The story is bullshit.
Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.
Those fuckwitnesses lied.
Anyone who ever saw the naked body of somebody who died from cyanide asphyxiation would NEVER forget the red skin colour. The bodies necessary reaction to being unable to process oxygen.
Not a single surviving fuckwitness ever mentioned it.
Also, no dark cherry red skin discolouration was visible in any supposed photographs of bodies of so-called victims of the holocaust.
The fact is that you can’t explain it and your bigotry prevents you from recognizing the ONLY logical conclusion.
Not a single fuckwitness testimony or alleged photograph of bodies was of anyone who died from cyanide exposure.
So much for the “evidence” of a holocaust.
And so it goes with every bullshit story told by paid and coerced lying fuckwitnesses. The facts prove otherwise.
Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of.
Here are some actual enigma decrypts from Bletchley park in 1942 when deaths were at their highest.
Covering the period 3rd Aug. 1942 – 25th Sept. 1942
A further examination is made of Concentration Camp figures; deaths from typhus have reached a very high figure in AUSCHWITZ.
A suspected case of typhus is reported from AUSCHWITZ (223b/42). It is probable that on the 6th August Nachschubkdtr. Russland Mitte requests typhus vaccine for 50 men and spottenfever serum for 20
For the first time returns are given for deaths of prisoners (223b/14,24,43,50): the figures for August are: NIEDERHAGEN 21, AUSCHWITZ 6829 (or 6889) men, 1525 women;.
Firstly the number of dead for the month are nowhere near what is necessary to support the holocaust narrative.
Secondly, notable is the concern over typhus deaths and the requests for medical supplies to treat.
Thirdly, are you willing and eager to perform the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?
That would require you to really believe that Germany INTENTIONALLY lost the war to cover up the holocaust while ostensibly leaving lying witnesses alive in the prison camps to tell their stories as they retreated. The contradiction refutes the story.
Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
The story is told by one Jewish survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school.
The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers.
The Red Cross was founded in 1863 with the purpose of protecting the interests of victims of conflicts.
The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
The holocaust fairytale requires us to believe that they were so unaware of what might be happening that they completely missed 95% of the victims in prison camps.
AND that they had not so much as an inkling that a holocaust was going on right under their noses even though allied media propaganda was reporting it and it was their sole mission to identify it. Because there is no evidence of any Red Cross document suggesting they did.
Are you performing those feeble mental gymnastics? How gullible are you?
Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before and during the war throughout Europe employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.
According to the testimony of the so called survivor, the timing entering the chambers immediately, the details shirtless survivor, piles of bodies with unvented cyanide gas pockets in every space, death from repeated exposure as per testimony would have been necessary, not just possible.
According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.
Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.
If Germans had used gasoline engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though Germany had plenty of gasoline for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
Somebody is lying. They weren’t both steam chambers and diesel gas chambers.Which stupid lie is more believable? Does it even matter to you?
The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.
There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.
Head of British Psychological Warfare Executive (Propaganda), Victor Cavendish-Bentick in a handwritten note, wrote on Aug 27th, 1943,
“We have had a good run for our money with this gas chamber story we have been putting about, but don’t we run the risk eventually we are going to be found out and when we are found out the collapse of that lie is going to bring the whole of our psychological warfare down with it? So isn’t it rather time now to let it drift off by itself and concentrate on other lines that we are running.”
Public Record Office Document F0371/34551 revealed by Stephen Mitford Goodson, ‘Inside the South African Reserve Bank’.
Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
What’s the probability after being proven lying about 6 million Jewish deaths by holocaust over 166 times that the 167th claim is true? Better to buy a lottery ticket. Though the bullshiit narrative has been like a lottery bonanza for Jews.
The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.
These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?
They are properly referenced quotes from Jewish leaders demonstrating that they had intended to create and force Germany into WW2.
That kind of evil is absolutely relevant when considering the character required to lie to the world about a holocaust for the 167 th time.
“We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”. David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.
“The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”
Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.
The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.
Or are you simply saying that denying a holocaust is completely evil, the work of Nazis?
Because that’s exactly what Jews are doing in Gaza right now.
A rant isn't proof of anything, you delusional fuck.
That's not photos, film, mass graves, mountains of charred bones, hundreds of thousands of witnesses, testimony by the accused, testimony from the victims, testimony from the Nazi officials themselves, government documents, buildings, crematoriums, rail cars, ad nauseam...
It's a half dozen idiots making wild claims with absolutely zero evidence beyond "trust me bro, I didn't see anything", versus close to a million witnesses from around the world and mountains of evidence everywhere.
Evil fuck.
Better luck next time
"Hey fuckwit, since you’ve never refuted anything that I’ve said, and respond when challenged that you will “next time”..."
You've been handed your hat many times, and anyone with a room temp IQ knows it. You simply invent new irrelevancies and somehow hope that a wall o' bullshit will make up for the evidence you don't have.
It won't. You are a lying, slimy, pile of Nazi shit entirely too stupid to understand you've been caught out.
Fuck off and die.
"Better luck next time"
No luck required when facts are there. You need 'luck' you need to find shit-stains as fucking stupid as you. More than the ten you've found so far.
Better luck next time
"Better luck next time"
Can't formulate a rebuttal, huh? No new lies based on nutbag rants instead of, you know, actual evidence and shit?
"Those evil Hebrew genociders have barely eliminated 1% of the noble Gaza victimhood"
It means that Israel will no longer be able to dine out on their status as victims of genocide, arguably their most valuable asset. The nation will now be seen in most parts of the world as perpetrators. Not a good look.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/palestine-population
The palistine population continues to grow. Fuck off with your genocide lie
"The palistine population continues to grow."
Look up the meaning of the word 'genocide.' It refers mass murder of a group of people. That's happening now. Whether or not the population grows is immaterial. It's the mass murder that makes the genocide.
This is nothing short of a disaster for Israel. All that emotional capital hard won at the hands of the Nazis is quickly evaporating, and with it the legitimacy of the Jewish State.
"...That’s happening now..."
Not really, shit-stain. The JDF has pretty much stopped Hamas efforts.
Correct it is going on in ajair bajion, and with the uuigers in China, but none of you people care about that
Watch what you're saying here. If you're really in the bag for Israel, you would never sully the memory of the holocaust by mentioning uuigers, ajair bajion, palistine, or any other mispelled nationality in the same breath as the only true and legitimate genocide victims.
Enjoy this while you can, what with Israel being chiefly noted as a victim of genocide to becoming a perpetrator of one, things are going to take a turn for the worse. Israel's on a one way trip to pariahville.
These Jews don’t get it.
They’ve been brainwashed their entire lives that they’re god’s chosen people and regardless of their repeated atrocities culminating in this genocide on the worlds stage, they believe they can do no wrong.
Aside from the fact that many have refuted their holocaust claims, perpetrated by the criminalization of exposing them,
People who have suffered a holocaust don’t turn around and commit one.
Perpetuated
"These Jews don’t get it...."
This from the Holocaust denialist; all you need to know about this septic-tank sludge.
"These Jews don’t get it.
They’ve been brainwashed their entire lives that they’re god’s chosen people and regardless of their repeated atrocities culminating in this genocide on the worlds stage, they believe they can do no wrong.
Aside from the fact that many have refuted their holocaust claims, perpetrated by the criminalization of exposing them,
People who have suffered a holocaust don’t turn around and commit one."
Chemjeff, Buttplug, sarcasmic, mtrueman, Brandyfuck, moderation4ever, you all agree with this. Don't you.
Tell us about how you endorse mass murder.
Do you agree with Misek, Sarcasmic, that the holocaust is a Jewish lie?
Yes or no. It's an easy question.
I hope to fuck you say "Fuck no! Absolutely not!", but given that you have stated many times now that hating Nazis is "mass murder", I'm not so sure that you'll disagree.
Do you agree with Misek, Sarcasmic, that the holocaust is a Jewish lie?
I tend to skip his posts and I'm not going to go read them now. No, I'm not a holocaust denier. That's a really stupid question.
Sarc as much of an alcoholic, worthless pussy as you are, at least you’re not a Nazi like Misek.
Sarc won't criticize mizek either. Weird. With all the people he attacks and has threatened... mizek is safe.
Are you simply saying that denying a holocaust is completely evil, the work of Nazis?
Because that’s exactly what Jews are doing in Gaza right now.
Fuck you’re stupid.
"I tend to skip his posts and I’m not going to go read them now."
Classic sarcasmic, everyone. An actual antisemite and holocaust denier here in the thread and Sarckles just shrugs. But Trump was given an analysis of Hitler's speeches by a Jewish guy and says Nazis are "like vermin" and Sarc's screaming about practically hitler and moaning that Trump wants to genocide Nazis.
This is how bien pensants get acculturated to evil. Through rank hypocrisy.
An actual antisemite and holocaust denier here in the thread and Sarckles just shrugs.
It's not like he's running for president and has a dozen people like you tripping over themselves to justify whatever he says. When that happens let me know. Until then he's one lone wacko on a comments section that nobody reads.
Good to show you're in bed with Misek. You two deserve each other.
When I call the Democrats here 'Nazis', I'm not resorting to hyperbole.
They've taken the practices and policies of the Third Reich, from antisemitism to corporatism, labeled them 'woke', and market them as 'compassionate'.
You said you'd like to see all Nazis murdered, and now you're equating half of the American electorate with Nazis. The implication is clear.
"You said you’d like to see all Nazis murdered"
I said nothing about murdering Nazis (Which was totally necessary in WW2, btw). I said it's fine and good and right to say that they're "like vermin"... and it totally is.
You just lie, and lie, and lie.
Also get ready to bookmark some Sarcasmic posts, folks. I predict that this is the thread where he'll say that some of the Nazis were okay, and that the holocaust was exaggerated.
War is murder? That means you consider soldiers to be murderers. Ain’t that nice. Your buddy Jesse did the same thing the other day, equating war with murder that is. The lengths you two go through to justify the idea of killing people over politics.
@sarc: I mean it technically is. It’s just that we usually justify it.
And to my knowledge, neither of them has called for murdering Nazis. Because no matter how many times it’s repeated, calling evil fucks like Nazis “vermin” isn’t calling for their deaths.
@sarc: I mean it technically is. It’s just that we usually justify it.
Technically it's not, being that murder is defined as "unlawful killing."
calling evil fucks like Nazis “vermin” isn’t calling for their deaths
If you say so. The entire point of dehumanizing language is to justify killing people. I'm not going to condone that no matter who says it or who it is used against. I do think it's somewhat ironic to use the language of Goebbels against Nazis.
Lol. Sarc. I have you a half dozen non war examples you retarded fuck. The post even started with "and if you dont consider war as murder" before the list.
Read a fuckkng history book. Somehow you are more ignorant of history than mizek.
Technically it’s not, being that murder is defined as “unlawful killing.”
Wait…. so the Russians in Ukraine killing Ukrainians is lawful?
Lol. Retarded shit.
@sarc: you’re right, I was thinking of homicide.
"The entire point of dehumanizing language is to justify killing people."
This is a lie. I can name dozens of genocides and pogroms where the justification was because they were human. The Albigensian Crusade against the Cathars, the Armenian Genocide, the Pogroms in the Pale of Settlement, and the War in the Vendee to name a few.
Animals aren't heretics, which is why no crusade, religious or ideological involves dehumanization.
But it doesn't matter to you because you're a hypocrite.
"Computers? Phones? Not a chance."
Don't be so hasty. I don't know about phones, but older computers can be brought back to life by formatting the hard drive and installing a slimmed down version of the Linux OS. I use Arch, by the way.
"You don’t know better than me "
Given the above, I don't believe you have a clear idea what you want or what the range of options are available. Do yourself a favor and before you trash your old computer, try giving it new life with an install of a Linux OS. Not just any Linux, Ubuntu and many others are bloated. Puppy and Porteus are specifically written for older computers.
Once again showing your ignorance of others. I've been running nothing but Linux since 1992.
Ho hum, another know-it-all statist who turns out to not know squat but still wants to tell everybody else what to do.
"Ho hum, another know-it-all statist"
Arch Linux has nothing to do with the state. That would be Windows and Microsoft, which the state pays handsomely for the licenses to use the product on government computers.
I urge you to install one of the slimmed down distros on any computer you claim there 'isn't a chance' to revive. Porteus (under 300 MB) is fun because it's designed to be installed on a USB stick and can run on multiple computers provided the booting sequence is properly ordered.
Don't forget:
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
So he's both an antisemitic asshole and a bullshitter besides; Nearly t urdd-like in his irrelevancy.
Now you only "urge" people to do what you want. Still no concept of individual responsibility.
I promise you that these old computers of yours can be given new life if a the OS is replaced by something like Puppy or Porteus. You can download for free and installation is not difficult, especially if you've had the experience you claim to have had.
"Still no concept of individual responsibility."
I don't hold you personally responsible because you are ignorant. That's the problem I've been struggling mightily here to address. I've already given you the names of some distros that might extend the life of your computers, I'm afraid you'll have to do the rest.
Please remember:
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
“Spouting nonsense is an end in itself.”
So he’s both an antisemitic asshole and a bullshitter besides; Nearly t urdd-like in his irrelevancy.
Don’t be so hasty. I don’t know about phones, but older computers can be brought back to life by formatting the hard drive and installing a slimmed down version of the Linux OS. I use Arch, by the way.
Older phones can be revived with Linux too, but like PCs their usefulness for what the average person uses a phone/PC for still becomes limited (and going back to the original comment, your Arch PC is absolutely not "30 years" old lol)
Personally I've found its better to send the old hardware to the recyclers and replace it with something like a Raspberry Pi that is smaller and consumes less electricity, but still has equal or greater performance. (I used to use a PC from 1998 as a firewall, until 2019)
"your Arch PC is absolutely not “30 years” old lol"
Probably true. But I've been using my wife's hand-me-down laptop computers for about 20 years now.
I'm also a Raspberry Pi enthusiast since they appeared on the market. I'm using a version 4 now to browse the web and write this comment.
Ukraine and China bought Biden more than 30 years ago, that seems to be paying off for them
Where is Buttplug to shout "Hunter's penis"?
For damn sure cars.
That way, when the fascists push the button, the old mechanical, computer free, non WI-FI cars will be all that still works.
Mechanical vehicles with internal combustion engines and no computers are the way to get away into the hills when the last fascist drops his mask.
It’s going to take more than an old car to survive when that happens.
Like first recognizing that there is a difference between right and wrong and choosing right and fighting wrong.
Satanists, fascists, Freemasons, the elite, genocidal Jews don’t recognize the difference between right and wrong.
Ambivalence now means slavery later.
An excellent article that coincidentally reinforces the ideas in the book I’m currently reading—Apocalypse Never by Michael Schellenbeger. This kind of information is such an eye-opener when it comes to the way that environmentalism can be counterproductive, especially when it becomes religiously or politically dogmatic, fuelled by hidden agendas, or both.
^THIS^
There is no hidden agenda. Listen to what the un and wef say. They want to use climate change as an excuse to control and kill people. Read the agenda 2030 put out by the UN. They flat out call for starving people to death
" They flat out call for starving people to death"
Who told you that? You're being played for a fool.
It's on their own fucking websites you gullible fuck. Go here https://www.weforum.org/ and then here https://www.un.org/en/climatechange and poke around for a bit and you'll read the exact same words in the exact same language as those awful "coNspiRacy thEorisTS" are saying.
Rather than me "poking around" why don't you provide a direct link since you know where its located (you DO know where its located right? You've seen it for yourself?) or at least give some of that "exact language" so I can Ctrl-F for it on the websites (you DO know the exact language, yes? Since you've read it on their own websites?)
It's absolutely fucking everywhere on those sites in plain English exactly as stated. It's not one article, it's almost all of them. Why don't you stop being so fucking lazy and do yourself a favor and read a few of their articles before regurgatating your bien pensant tropes. Pick an article, any article and start reading.
"It’s absolutely fucking everywhere on those sites in plain English exactly as stated."
Could you provide a link? One will do. Thanks in advance.
Here we see the sea lion in action. Keep in mind that it's only purpose is to deflect and distract. It will never read a link, or source material. It will only say you need to provide more links. If you meet a sea lion in the wild the most appropriate action is to club it
I am not a sea lion, sea cucumber, sea urchin or any other creature of the sea. I am a land based mammal.
This was your claim:
"They flat out call for starving people to death"
I asked for a source a couple of times, and none is forthcoming. It's clear you've been played for a fool. You need to be more skeptical.
Read the shri Lanka quote
Don't bother the bullshitter with facts!
Sri Lanka is about transferring ownership of agriculture production from family farms to oligarchs. You can see the same thing in play in the US with Bill Gates buying up farmland. It's got nothing to do with the UN or their 2030 agenda, which you originally claimed was a 'flat out call to starve people to death.'
Another Jean Jacques Rousseau with a swastika.
"“They flat out call for starving people to death”
I asked for a source a couple of times, and none is forthcoming."
I gave you two, you lazy fucking shill. Pick an article, any article, they all have it. It's not like it's a big secret or something.
"It’s not like it’s a big secret or something."
I wouldn't say it's a big secret. More like a delusion you've convinced yourself of. I've asked three times now for a source for this 'flat out call for starving to death' and still nothing. Honestly, I expected as much. What's surprising is that this was a claim made by Rev Arthur L kuckland. Why are you carrying water for this moron?
More like a delusion you’ve convinced yourself of.
READ - THEIR - OWN - FUCKING - WEBSITES - SHILL
It's all right there in virtually every single article. You won't do it though because you know it will smash the phony worldview you've created.
"READ – THEIR – OWN – FUCKING – WEBSITES – SHILL"
I asked for a cite, not a reading assignment. Fourth time now, and still no cite. You must realize by now Rev Arthur L kuckland's claim is bullshit. Why carry water for the moron? You're not convincing anyone.
Mtrueman is too stupid for this discussion.
"I asked for a cite, not a reading assignment."
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU DO WITH A CITATION YOU DISHONEST FUCK???
YOU READ THEM!
There were dozens of articles that all say the same thing. You could of picked any one of them. You didn't get one cite, you got dozens.
But you won't read a single one of them because you want to believe in your own narrative rather than the facts.
These Jews don’t engage in rational debate, they lie.
Their religion advocates lying which they use to coerce people. They have been brainwashed for millennia to believe they are gods chosen people and can do no wrong. For this reason every nation they’ve ever lived in eventually hates them. They call it antisemitism.
Well here we are again Jews. You’ve had a good run grooming the elite with your freemasonry pyramid scheme.
You might have continued too if it wasn’t for your own stupidity to show the entire world your real support for genocide in Gaza. Now your lucrative crocodile tears are recognized and your luck has run out.
Anyone who supports you will share your pariah designation and swing with bibi on the gallows.
"But you won’t read a single one of them because you want to believe in your own narrative rather than the facts."
What facts? The fact that “They flat out call for starving people to death?” I've asked for a cite 5 times now, and still nothing. Rev Arthur L kuckland has stopped responding, doubtless realizing the falsity of his ridiculous claim. Why are you still clinging to this delusion?
UN and WEF websites: "Climate change necessitates we control and kill people."
People who can read words: "WTF. The UN and WEF want to use climate change as an excuse to control and kill people."
MSDNC: "That's a coNspiRacy thEorY."
mtrueman: "That's a coNspiRacy thEorY."
Shri Lanka just over threw their goverment because the people were starving. This is after the implimented the un wef agenda 2030 bs. Don't worry. They then tried to hide what they did
https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/07/13/the-wef-sri-lanka-wayback-machine/
The theme this year at Davos is "rebuilding trust."
I wonder why they have to rebuild it, after they saved us from COVID and inflation?
Yes. And, even leaving aside such an utterly monstrous approach, they think they are fighting overpopulation when the population is already declining. They ignore the simple fact that even modestly increasing wealth immediately leads to lower birth rate. Or I should say the elites probably do know that, but they want to maximize their power and are happy to have useful idiots cheering them on who are oblivious to population decline or how some environmental efforts can do more harm than good just like Mike Rigg’s grandfather’s bat house.
Differential equations and the ability to count show that population is increasing. The Libertarian Party's Roe victory and The Pill reversed the second derivative of population growth (look it up). The first derivative is only now, a half-century later, visibly responding to that change by moving away from the vertical. Its slope will only go flat and turn negative after population increases daily by zero instead of today's 215,000 additional people (a million and a half per week). At 2 people a second it takes nine 24-hr days to count a week's increase.
Differential equations and the ability to count show that population is increasing.
No equations anywhere show the population is increasing, you misanthropic old fuck. Not A-N-Y-W-H-E-R-E.
Not the UN's, not the WHO's, not the EU's, not the US governments.
In fact every single population metric shows we're at the beginning of an unanticipated population collapse.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/22/world/global-population-shrinking.html
https://www.livescience.com/worlds-population-could-plummet-to-six-billion-by-the-end-of-the-century-new-study-suggests
TBF, I’m pretty sure Hank is perma fried.
I've asked him what year he thinks this is, but never got the answer. His ramblings make me think he's kind of stuck in the 70s at times, though, I admit I have no fucking idea what he's trying to say.
So, in Hank world, I bet the population is still on that boomer-fueled post-WWII rate of increase.
"environmentalism can be counterproductive, especially when it becomes religiously or politically dogmatic"
Unfortunately, this is how most people think most of the time, coupled with emotional and motivated reasoning. Our brains are more belief engines than objective inquirers. "If I didn't believe it I wouldn't see it" is not just a joke, it is a sadly accurate summary of how people interact with the universe.
The core environmentalist creed: humans are bad for "the planet".
The core environmentalist goal: eliminate humans.
Except for themselves. If there's a new disease with a 0.1% mortality rate, shut everything down and mandate experimental vaccines and ineffective masks and testing and lockdowns for everyone. With booster shots to follow a year behind each new variant.
Actually, some are so full of self-loathing that they wish they could be dead, in order to save Gaia. I say, "You go first."
" that environmentalism can be counterproductive,"
Schellenberger's brand of environmentalism calls on wealthy nations like the US to subsidize increased coal exploitation in Africa. Surely a posterchild for counterproductive environmentalism. You see, the argument goes that the more coal Africans burn, the wealthier they become, and the wealthier they become, the less CO2 they emit. I shit you not. It's hard to imagine a more counterproductive approach to dealing with CO2 emissions. By increasing them we decrease them. Hidden agendas, anyone?
You clearly haven’t read the book but are familiar with the someone’s takedown of it because they can’t stand that Schellenberger is an environmentalist who changed his mind on nuclear energy. FWIW explaining, the poorest parts of Africa would not be moving from clean energy to coal. They would be moving from wood-burning. Compared to wood, coal IS better, particularly if you want to preserve forests and wild habitats. The book isn’t only about Africa and coal anyway, it covers a lot of options in many different places and also delves into the special interests and hidden agendas that often lurk behind funding seemingly green operations.
"You clearly haven’t read the book"
I have read it but not recently, and I've read other books since.
"are familiar with the someone’s takedown of it because they can’t stand that Schellenberger is an environmentalist"
It is my very own takedown, and since I've never met Schellenberger, I have no opinion of him personally. It's his environmental prescriptions, such as his proposal for the wealthy nations of the world to subsidize and encourage coal exploitation in Africa, I find risible.
As far as Africa's energy future is concerned, I find Kenya's geothermal plans most intriguing. Granted, geothermal, like solar and wind, is kinda faggy and not nearly so macho as fossil fuels, but I'm drawn to it anyways. If memory serves, Schellenberger doesn't mention it in his book.
For someone who claims one must know someone personally to have an opinion on them, you certainly have a lot of opinions about everybody else, especially what's good for them.
"you certainly have a lot of opinions about everybody else, especially what’s good for them."
I don't know Schellenberger, never met him, heard his voice, or seen him on TV. I did read the book Inigo Montoya mentioned, and wasn't impressed. He wants the wealthy nations of the West to subsidize and encourage to burning of coal in Africa, in the bizarre belief that this will reduce CO2 emissions. I know, it's hard to believe, but I shit you not. Read the book yourself if you don't want to take my word.
CO2 emissions are irrelevant.
Not according to Schellenberger's book.
And according to Hitler's book the Jews were the problem... You're not exactly making a case here.
"You’re not exactly making a case here."
You're not exactly worth the effort.
I’m surprised that a major takeaway you got from the book is that Schellenberger advocates the west should pay for Africa to use coal. I don’t remember reading that. Perhaps it was mentioned, but it didn’t make an impression on me. My chief takeaway from that section is that the west often imposes its preferences on Africans, with hardly any attention given to what locals actually think would be best. That might well extend to coal. In any case, he hardly advocates
doing that. He writes how conservationists have long been wary of neocolonialism, which is as it should be.
As for never having seen him or heard him, you may be mistaken. He’s been in the news quite a bit fairly recently because he’s one of the three independent journalists who worked on the Twitter files.
"My chief takeaway from that section is that the west often imposes its preferences on Africans"
I agree with you but Schellenberger apparently still sees the West playing a positive role in Africa's future. I hope China will do a better job. It's Chinese funding that is paying for Kenya's geothermal projects, it's Chinese funding, technology and knowhow that is going to Kenya's nuclear fission program and it's the same with Kenya's high speed rail link between Mombasa and Nairobi, China again. And Schellenberger seems blind to all this with a Eurocentric and paternalistic view of Africa. Not to say that China is much better. Maybe a little better, but their involvement in DR Congo's exploitation of coltan doesn't bode well.
South Africa is the only African nation generating electricity with nuclear, thanks to French assistance.
Egypt, it's coming soon thanks to Russian and South Korean assistance.
Algeria, coming soon thanks to China.
Ghana, coming soon thanks to Russia.
Morocco, coming soon thanks to Russia.
Nigeria and Uganda, still in the early stages.
And note that 'coming soon' in nuclear circles could mean it's decades away. Note also the lack of Western involvement in Africa's energy future.
Does Amazon carry brown shirts now, asshole? Or do you have to order them custom made? Is the swastika extra?
You forgot to mention Iran. Which has had our help.
"You forgot to mention Iran."
Apologies. I forgot morons like you still thought Iran was part of Africa.
That's rich comi9ng from you
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
And coal, if burned to generate electricity is MUCH better than burning biomass at home for cooking and heat. That kills millions every year.
I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating. An acquaintance, an ex-Royal Marine, when not doing de-mining work in places like Sierra Leone, Lebanon and Cambodia, found himself in Nepal working with an NGO to install ventilation in village homes. The smoke from the wood and dung cooking fires was causing all sorts of problems with the respiratory systems, killing millions. On a later visit he found that the ventilation systems were removed and the houses were as smoky as ever. The problem was that the malaria bearing mosquitoes enjoyed the smoke free environment and passed the disease on to millions more. As far as your solution of using coal generated electricity is concerned, it would have been no different from the ventilators the villagers rejected.
Gee, maybe they should be allowed to use DDT?
Uh, no. Electrification means people cook food and heat dwellings with appliances that have zero inside emissions. Plus they get cheap lighting and all sorts of modern options. Why do you think the US had waves of rural electrification programs in the early to mid (and even late) 20th century.
And as people prosper and embrace modernity, they might just buy window screens.
"Uh, no. Electrification means people cook food and heat dwellings with appliances that have zero inside emissions."
It was the smoke from the kitchen fires that kept the mosquitoes at bay. Sorry, I didn't make that clear earlier on.
"they might just buy window screens"
What I found remarkably effective was a trick I learned in Himachal Pradesh, in northern India, not too far from Nepal. Before you retire for the evening, close all the doors and windows in your room and light a stick of incense or two. Let them burn down a while and when you're ready, open the door and the insects in the room will make a bee line for the fresh air, and leave you to a comfortable sleep.
If you can stand the smell yourself.
You needn't be present in the room while the incense is burning. The method works equally well if you leave after starting the incense.
They also burn dung. Which is waaaaaay worse
But dung is 100% natural!
So is coal.
And oil.
Learning and adapting to nuclear knowledge? Like this? https://www.tumblr.com/1929crash
You know who else burned a lot of coal and then stopped when they became wealthy?
Subsidies for Obsessive Compulsive Disorders?
Sounds about right.
Once upon a time people had to produce for their neighbors or themselves for a living. Now all it takes is a bunch of Gov-Guns and a mental disorder.
Well intentioned environmentalist is a flawed premise. Enviromentalists are evil genocidal marxists
Be fair. Most of them are absolutely convinced that they are saving us, and the planet, from ourselves. And therefore better than us. And therefore entitled to rule us.
My bad, many are retarded
No, not retarded, but deluded.
No.
No they are not.
They are convinced they have the right to rule the world.
But remember that resisting their takeover of society and the economy is fascist.
Tim Scott plays the race card again:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6345597434112
It’s all about race, race, race as the South Carolina Senator runs into Hannity’s arms to continue his grinnin’ and shuckin’ and jivin’ as only he can stoop low enough to.
“I just love you” said the Senator to his idol Trump – who a jury this week found that he defamed his sexual assault victim to the tune of $83 million.
Are you just mailing it in now?
I'm typing most of it.
turd lies. That's not a surprise to anyone who reads his constant stream of bullshit.
But it's becoming obvious that as Misek is too stupid to understand the concepts of "evidence" or "relevance", the concept of "honesty" is simply beyond turd's ken.
For those curious, Buttplug has a big problem with conservative black men.
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Uncle Clarence has had his hand out for over 20 years.
GIMME DAT WHITIE MONEY!
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Sandy, I had a genuine fear that a Senator Walker would be shucking and jiving us good liberty-loving Georgians every day.
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Tim Scott 400-1 Whuffo Bro? Whuffo is you in dis race fo, bro?
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Dude, I am from the South. You can’t troll me on race.
Do you remember Spermin’ Herman Cain? He sounded like a slave extra from Song of the South.
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No, you’re a fucking snowflake who only gets offended when one of your Lawn Jockeys is criticized.
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Groveling like a shoe-shine boy, Tim Scott humiliates himself for Fatass Donnie.
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SE Cupp is a conservative commentator who is ashamed of Tim Scott’s groveling ‘Happy slave” act concerning Donnie. It is truly shameful.
Wondering if he's been taken out of context? Ask me for a link to the original post. I have them all.
He really is that racist. He and Misek could date.
Which one is the top?
If you mean which one is worst, calling them all "lawn jockeys" may have been the most egregious.
If you're asking who he's referencing in the first one, it was Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.
https://reason.com/2023/07/18/poll-millennials-want-to-make-misgendering-a-crime/?comments=true#comment-10159070
They would take turns bottoming for each other.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit
Reformed conservative Charles Fried dies:
A longtime Republican who for 40 years advised the Harvard chapter of the conservative Federalist Society, Mr. Fried was an especially harsh critic of President Donald J. Trump’s disdain for courts and the law, and of the Justice Department under his second attorney general, William P. Barr.
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Mr. Fried and other Republican and conservative lawyers, members of a group called Checks & Balances, castigated Mr. Barr publicly for defending Mr. Trump’s attempts to obstruct the investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election and, in 2019, to pressure Ukraine — which led to Mr. Trump’s first impeachment.
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“The people who claim they’re conservatives today are demanding loyalty to this completely lawless, ignorant, foul-mouthed president,” Mr. Fried told The Times in 2019. He disclosed in The Boston Globe in 2016 that he planned to vote for Hillary Clinton.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/charles-fried-legal-scholar-who-broke-with-conservatives-dies-at-88/ar-BB1hmq16?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=213bec274dac4058a45150e12b188f27&ei=16
Omegalul, Hillary in 2016.
He was never a conservative.
"He disclosed in The Boston Globe in 2016 that he planned to vote for Hillary Clinton."
Sooooo conservative.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Ah! Vote for the OTHER half of the entrenched looter Kleptocracy. THAT will change things, sho 'nuff!
Reformed conservative Charles Fried dies:
Of a coincidence?
So?
To be sure, disdain for the courts and the law is troubling.
But is it as troubling as repeated politically motivated legal attacks against your political opponents, combined with direct efforts to keep them off the ballot?
When your only tool is emergency powers, every problem looks like an emergency.
TrUsT tHe ScIeNcE!
See shrike is in thread.
A story of an illegal immigrant and her two children camping out in front of OSF building in NYC and none if the staffers ever stop to help despite OSF claiming they want to help illegals and the homeless.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/27/metro/migrant-homeless-family-living-outside-george-soros-nyc-office/
Because OSF is staffed by demons. Sadists & malignant narcissists are attracted to wokeness because it offers them the opportunity to destroy people while receiving social reward.
When Well-Intended
Oh here we go...
Amateur apiarists are rethinking a few things as well. Once considered the environmentalist equivalent of a victory garden, the European honeybee hives that were established in backyards and rooftops around the U.S. in the early 2010s following reports of "colony collapse" could "actually have a negative influence on native and wild bee populations through floral resource competition and pathogen transmission," according to research published in 2023 by conservationists at Concordia University and the University of Montreal.
Mike... allow me to introduce you to Thomas Sowell.
There are only tradeoffs, home slice. Only tradeoffs.
Wait, you mean Uncle Tom Sowell?
Don't get Buttplug started...
Environmentalism, and to a lesser extent conservationism, are religions.
They worship the planet and believe we are all sinning against her.
In some ways they are correct on certain issues, but their 'solutions' are like blood letting. It's 'doing something' but there is no proof their 'something' is actually doing good.
By most empirical measures they are doing harm, but since they are following some moral code it's presumed that they have good intentions.
Well, if those 'good intentions' only seem to result in harm then what good are those intentions? Stalin and Pol Pot probably had some good intentions too, but since they murdered hundreds of millions of people those intentions aren't worth the paper they're written on. Calling that 'moral' or referring to those intentions as 'good' is, in a word, retarded.
It lets them keep feeling like they're moral people even when they objectively kill people. That, my friends, is immoral.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised though. We live in a world where Israel is taken to task for Hamas murdering them. We are already through the looking glass.
The nature god-head is actually the oldest religion. And probably the first to practice human sacrifice. I guess the old ways are really the best.
"We live in a world where Israel is taken to task for Hamas murdering them. "
You live in a country where Israel is the world's only true, rightful and eternal victim. The world has long overcome this delusional view.
Now tell us how the holocaust was a hoax.
I have a question for everyone. Will we see the Nazis rehabilitated by mainstream progressives as early as March or as late as August?
"Will we see the Nazis rehabilitated by mainstream progressives as early as March or as late as August?"
We saw it as early as a couple of years ago with the whitewashing of Ukraine's neo nazi Azov Brigade. See the New York Times or even the Anti Defamation League for examples.
https://mronline.org/2022/12/10/the-adl-issues-statement-declaring-ukraines-azov-battalion-no-longer-far-right/
Nazis are becoming more and more palatable to America's mainstream, and pro Israel organizations, to their shame, are at the forefront of the movement making this happen.
The genocide in Gaza is no hoax. Shame on you for suggesting it is. Or minimizing it, or justifying it or any of your apologetics.
The Nazi sentiments and the calls for Jewish genocide seem to be coming mostly from the Progressive left, the pro-Palestinian protestors who are one step removed from terrorist sympathizers, and sometimes less than one step removed.
Israel was awfully patient, waiting 18 years to invade Gaza before starting their supposed genocide. And if their intent was to wipe out all the Gazans, why warn them of the invasion in advance? The truth is only side in Israel is calling for genocide, and the call is directed at the Israelis, not the Palestinians.
"The Nazi sentiments and the calls for Jewish genocide seem to be coming mostly from the Progressive left"
The real cheer leaders for the Jewish genocide come from the Biden administration, anyone who appears in the media, and most of the commenters here. I agree that the progressives have taken a sharp turn to Naziism, see the likes of the ADL's apologetics for the Azov brigades, pundits like Bill Maher, RFK Jr, Hollywood celebrities etc. The ones who most faithfully support Palestine are Muslims or of the radical left, not mere 'progressives.'
The good news is that this is mostly an American phenomenon. Put it down to another symptom of a depraved and declining empire. The rest of the world has little trouble in condemning the genocide.
"And if their intent was to wipe out all the Gazans"
Their original intent was to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Not unlike the Nazis who for years were desperate to rid Germany of what they saw as an unwelcome and hostile stain on the nation. Nazis wanted Jews to emigrate, even to Palestine, even offering money to German Jews who would leave. SS officers like Heydrich and Eichmann devoted their early careers to working with Zionists. Until months before the outbreak of WWII Nazis were issuing Jews exit visas, (see The Ship of Fools for a fictional account) but other nations weren't accepting them. In 1942 the Final Solution was arrived at, precipitated I believe by severe labor shortages. The Nazis were patient too, waiting 9 years before implementing the Final Solution.
"The truth is only side in Israel is calling for genocide, and the call is directed at the Israelis, not the Palestinians."
You're not following. We're not talking about 'calling for genocide,' but actually committing genocide, and, as you say, only one side is committing genocide. It's the Israelis spurred on by their American enablers and their new adoption of the worst aspects of Naziism.
"...Nazis are becoming more and more palatable to America’s mainstream, and pro Israel organizations, to their shame, are at the forefront of the movement making this happen..."
You're hoping to be accepted by decent people? Forget it.
Just got to point out that honey bees are an invasive species in North America. All good greenies should demand that we wipe them out.
"Just got to point out that honey bees are an invasive species in North America."
So are earthworms and domestic cats. I have no beef with earthworms, but cats, they kill some 4 billion birds every year in the 48 contiguous state.
Earthworms aren't invasive. Some species are but not most.
As for the idea that earthworms didn't exist in the Northern US and Canada, that's because the last glacial maximum wiped them out like everything else. And unlike all the other animals it's taken them longer to reclaim their territory.
I'd love to see the 4 billion birds math. How many cats are there? Say 200 million homes, and 20% of them have cats. That's 40 million cats. They're killing 100 birds a year each, or 2 per week? Because my house has had at least one cat for the last 20 years, and the next bird any of them kills will be the first.
Most of the birds are killed by domestic cats gone feral. Check the net for further info. I also read somewhere that one cat kills one bird a day, but I don't have the details at hand. In any case the decline in the population of birds in North America is well documented, irrespective of any cat involvement.
Considering the health of most bird populations, cats are probably serving a critical role in population control. Feral cats are largely going to live in areas that have some amount of human population, meaning most other natural predators are driven out.
Homo sapiens is an invasive species in North America, and South America, and Australia. Time to go home.
this is how science is supposed to work—hypothesize, test, share, tweak, repeat.
Did Fauci tell you that?
No, he said "fund, test, measure, deny."
When does "collude" happen?
Guess Chocolate Jesus and Potato Head should not have taken Iran off sanctions & given all that money back, huh?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-troops-killed-jordan-american-service-members-syria/
3 American service members killed and dozens injured in drone attack on base in Jordan, U.S. says
Three U.S. troops killed, up to 34 injured in Jordan drone strike linked to Iran
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/28/three-us-service-members-killed-34-wounded-in-jordan-drone-attack-linked-to-iran.html
But why do we have US forces stationed in Jordan, one asks.
There are 195 countries in the world, and the US has forces in 178 of them.
17 to go!
We're trying to get Ukraine on that list. And Russia, too.
Are you counting Marine embassy guards?
Jordan/Syria border is what I understand. Didn't someone try to get us out of Syria?
But Yes, WHY? are we in Jordan( and mony other places) . At some point we are just instigating crap.
Well intentioned environmentalism backfiring?
You mean like switching to unreliable solar and wind power, then pushing everyone to electric cars, electric home heat, electric stoves, electric water heaters and electric dryers? Then wondering why everyone is stuck at home without heat or the ability to cook or go anywhere when a winter storm knocks the power grid out?
Oh, speaking of “well-intended” *coughs* this is something that… um, “sparked debate”.
“lived experience with incarceration” You know, like Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein…
lived experience with incarceration
Remember when some jackholes about ten years ago in these very comment section said, “Hey man, they’re like, college kids and stuff, they'll like grow out of it, man.”?
Epstein? Weinstein? Geez, Misek, was there nobody else you could have used as an example here?
p.s. Epstein’s experience was more un-lived than lived.
I guess the people on this list would be eligible to serve.
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.politics.guns/c/Qm1oW5ZqKZU/m/nqB6NooUAQAJ
Meanwhile, from the Denver Post today:
Migrant influx leaves Denver Public Schools short $17.5 million in funding as students keep enrolling
Yup, virtuous behavior costs more than virtue signaling. But no compassionate progressive ever thought about costs (and cost-benefit) before indulging their emotional needs.
ps. Abbott, keep them coming.
Thanks for sharing
When Well-Intended Environmentalism Backfires
1930's Germany provides an object lesson.
2020 emissions regulations... had the .... undesired effect of simultaneously reducing the volume of sulfur-based clouds... [that] reflect the sun away from the Earth [which is ] magnified in the Atlantic, where maritime traffic is particularly dense [resulting in] a 50% boost to the warming effect of human carbon emissions.
All of which means the eastern US and most of Europe which are heavily influenced by the Gulf Stream get the worst of it, and explains the crazy hot summers and miserably warm winters we have had for the past several years in New England.
Bring back the high sulfur fuel!
Meanwhile Bill Gates and others want to get paid billions to geo engineer the atmosphere by adding sulfur to the atmosphere to cool the planet. it all about who gets paid to do what instead of letting others do it already accidently
This list is nothing. I could pile on. Recycling alone is a nightmare of costs and unintended consequences.
So what can people actually do individually if they care about the environment? Don’t litter, live in dense cities and don’t buy a Hummer. But then what?
Again, the real progress comes about by simple profit motives, temporary rents, and market diffusion and competition. Coke cans use much less aluminum now not because of pure intentions, but because of market innovation. What we probably may not do enough of is to tax external harm to increase profit opportunities in developing cleaner alternatives. But in the us, the word taxes is toxic to the right, and too easy a solution for the radical left. Micromanaging lives and extolling intention and virtue is much more politically attractive.
In fact, we hardly talk about using market incentives to improve the environment at all…
Poorly educated, incurious millennials.
don't trust anyone who wants to "save the planet." There are mass graves all over the world that serve as monuments to such thinking.