Brickbat: Parlez-vous français?

Vincent Lenoir and his wife Martine were born and raised in a French-speaking part of Belgium. Vincent has lived in France for 24 years and Martine for nine. "I am the commercial director of a French company, my wife wrote a book in French," Vincent said. And they thought it was time they became French citizens. There's just one problem: They haven't been able to prove to the French government they speak at least intermediate French as required by law. "You can see that I'm talking to you [in French] in a correct way, but unfortunately a priori that's not enough for our administration," Vincent said. Their degrees from French-language Belgian universities also don't count as proof they speak French. As far as the government is concerned, the only acceptable proof they speak French is to have completed middle school in France or to have passed an official exam in the past two years.
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The fact that they are still trying to prove it and not just giving up is a clear sign they are not French....
They just need to surrender to the process and they’ll be French.
They've tried, and been rejected.
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Is there a reason why they don't quit whining and take the "official exam"?
Perhaps they're hoping someone will see sense and make that unnecessary?
I've moved to foreign countries and been waved past all sorts of things like driving tests and bar admissions, but I've moved to others and faced the same kinds of irrational barriers cited by the Belgies above. C'est la vie, as they say...
And I applaud France for that.
Citizenship is a gift. It should be treated as such.
A gift? From whom? The government?!?
It is citizens who tell the government what to do, not the other way round. Unless of course you are a statist.
Sir, this is the old world.
They will never change.
You can be fairly certain that the citizens of France want a lot less immigration than the government currently permits, including nominally French-speaking Belgians.
They're not citizens.
...un dirigiste....?
They submitted an incomplete application and therefore need to restart the process. So they'll become citizens a year or two later. What's the problem?
Belgium and France are both in the EU, so this is largely symbolic anyway.
So they've been living in France for 9 and 24 years without worrying about citizenship, but now they're in such a rush to be citizens that they cannot wait a year for one of the tests required for naturalization. Did France recently change something about how resident aliens are treated?
Yes, France gatekeeps French citizenship and the French language.
FR society feels it is important to gatekeep = language (and therefore culture). I wish we would do a little gate-keeping here. 🙂
Well, they're kinda sucking at it, looking at the footage from last year.
Burn a Citroën in protest. That's how you prove you're a true frog.
It’s funny that frog is one of the racial slurs that is considered super ok. We have a French client at my company and we all call them frogs. None of us call our Chinese clients chinamen.
Jk, we don’t work with chinamen.
Try crapaud.
Say it like Sean Bean playing Richard Sharpe.
Tabernak! Oh, wait, they're not considered French-speaking by the French either.
Why did these Belgians waffle on taking the exam?
They would have been whipped cream trying to speak the language.
They should butter up the immigration officials.
And stop wine-ing about it.
They're being battered by the bureaucracy.
The French government always works at a snails pace.
So if we put up English language testing stations at the border, we could keep out everyone who didn't go to middle school in the US?
How many US middle schoolers can speak English?
How many college graduates can? 🙂
The point of the rule is NOT to make sure you speak french. Surely you understand this?
Hercule Poirot hardest hit.
K: "Are you French?"
HP: "I'm Belgian."
K: "I'm so sorry."
The French are a lot like Germans - they have procedures. Germans love procedures and so do the French.
Neither country likes deviating from their procedures.
So when German procedures are bad, well, the Germans have a procedure to change their procedures to something that works. The French just use a bad procedure as an excuse to do nothing, leave work early, and have an extra-marital affair.
I think that the German obsession with following procedures but making them _work_ is far better than the American habit of just ignoring nonsensical procedures (except when the official _wants_ to screw you). OTOH, everything I hear about French officialdom says they have the worst of both worlds - a high tolerance for messed-up procedures combined with obsessive-compulsive adherence to them. (Or is the attitude the same as the American, except their officials want to screw everyone all the time?)
Dude just needs to cross the Med to Morrocco and then take a night boat back over with the rest of the 'refugees'.
Then he won't have to speak French, be vaccinated, or anything.
Does that get you citizenship?
Remember, if it is not made in the Champagne region of France, it is just sparkling wine.