Brickbat: Family Matters

In England, Metropolitan Police Detective Constable Zainab Hussain has been given a written warning for trying to remove her fiancé's nephew from a list of men suspected of violence against women and girls. But Akbar Khan, who chaired her disciplinary panel, said he believed she had made an "honest" mistake and learned a "salutary lesson." The panel allowed her to keep her job.

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[Adans smith]

I assume her fiance is the one teaching her a lesson.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Khaaaaaaan!

I'm not sure what color this wall of silence is.

[mad.casual]

I’m not sure what color this wall of silence is.

Colonizer, duh. This colored wall of silence/thin colored line of law and order, in England, is Colonizer colored.

[Don't look at me!]

Colonizer color is the most important thing.

[Mickey Rat]

ACLU fights for there being no difference between sex and gender:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/aclu-of-montana-challenges-law-defining-the-word-sex-in-state-code-as-only-male-or-female/ar-AA1lL6fK?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=568bc6f6b79743ceac763335d2b1fa46&ei=15#comments

"The ACLU of Montana has filed a lawsuit challenging a law that defines the word “sex” throughout state code as either male or female, based on a person's biology at birth. The plaintiffs argue the law denies legal recognition and protections to people who are gender non-conforming.

The plaintiffs — a transgender man, a two spirit Native American, a nonbinary person, an intersex individual and a nurse practitioner — also moved for a summary judgement in Monday's filing in state court in Missoula, asking for the law to be declared unconstitutional."

"The sponsor of the legislation said it was needed to clarify from a legal standpoint that the words “sex” and “gender” aren't interchangeable. That was in response to a ruling by a state judge in 2021 that overturned a law that said people had to have a surgical procedure before they could change their sex on their birth certificate. The judge ruled the law was vague because it didn't define what type of surgery was needed and that transgender individuals should be able to change their gender on such documents."

"The ACLU lawsuit argues the definitions of male and female in Montana's law are “scientifically imprecise and erroneous."

The law defines a female as having XX chromosomes, and a reproductive and endocrine system that produces or would produce ova, or eggs. Plaintiff Linda Troyer, a nurse practitioner, argues the definition of female is scientifically incorrect because females are born with all the eggs they will ever have, do not “produce” them, and therefore she does not fall under the definition of female.

Male is defined as having XY chromosomes and a biological system that produces or would produce sperm.

The law, which took effect Oct. 1, also says anyone who would fall under the definition of either male or female, “but for a biological or genetic condition,” would be classified under their initial determination of male or female at birth."

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

I hate these fucking retards.

[mad.casual]

And Linda Troyer needs to be forced to say that, according to her precepts, a person actually is female prior to 20 weeks of gestation and then committed to a mental institution for mendacious failure of the rest of the biology/English/logic/morality test.

Namely, women absolutely "yield", "bring forth", "cause to exist", "act as a producer for" eggs, both in the sense of their own eggs and, again even by her own (retarded) precepts, they absolutely *produce* eggs in the sense of their daughters.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

More to the point: Plaintiff Linda Troyer, a nurse practitioner, argues the definition of female is scientifically incorrect because females are born with all the eggs they will ever have, do not “produce” them, and therefore she does not fall under the definition of female.

Did someone else's body produce them, or was it her cell division during gestation that produced them?

She's trying to be technical and snarky and isn't actually smart enough to pull it off.

[BrianL.]

The law defines a female as having XX chromosomes, and a reproductive and endocrine system that produces or would produce ova, or eggs.

Did their reproductive and endocrine system produce their eggs?

[Longtobefree]

So if the ACLU wins the suit, DNA evidence will no longer be acceptable as accurate by courts in Montana?

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

The only plaintiff who might have legitimate standing is the intersex individual, and even then likely only if they have some superchromosomal abnormality in the sex chromosomes. If the law was going to get technical about chromosomes, it should have accounted for people with three or more, who do actually exist.

[mad.casual]

If the law was going to get technical about chromosomes, it should have accounted for people with three or more, who do actually exist.

Disagree. The law doesn't get technical about chromosomes, it gets technical about chromosomes *and* gamete production.

If we want to get libertarian technical about the whole thing, the government isn't required to recognize any of it, male/female via XX/XY and egg/sperm covers 99+% of the population in an exceedingly least burdensome approach and for anyone outside the fold demanding legislative recognition and protection, they can feel free to stick whatever invisible pink gonads they do or don't have in a very real woodchipper.

The *vast* majority of US law was specifically written *without* sex/gender as requisite and the idea that special protection is required is bullshit. Murder is murder and sexual assault is sexual assault regardless of your chromosomes, gonads, or gametes. Nobody checks your plumbing to vote. Your local pharmacy/drug store/grocery store will, without reservation, sell tampons, condoms, and pregnancy test kits to both men and women. Your employer is required to provide you with *a* bathroom, if you and your employer can't work out which restroom, sucks to be you. We don't grant special exception to driving on the right hand side of the road to the ~1% of the population that's ambidextrous or driving on the left to the ~10% who are left-handed. We don't grant special exception to smoking laws which shouldn't even be on the books to begin with to the ~1% people who are nicotine non-responders.

So, intersex people demanding enhanced legal protections, in accommodation with their own wishes, can legally enjoy the enhanced legal protection, more than most Americans, of going and fucking themselves.

[Mickey Rat]

The specificity of the definition of "sex" was driven by a court ruling that a previous law was too vague on the matter.

If you want to blame anyone, it should be the judge who was playing sophistic, post modernist word games.

[Davy C]

A list of people *suspected* of a crime? I'm kind of wondering what the criteria are to get on this list.

[Chumby]

Your last name needs to be Trump. In Colorado, suspected and guilty are now the same thing.

[JesseAz]

Trump had a judge prove he was guilty of insurrection without a trial. Not a suspect. Guilty.

[Chumby]

Am surprised the CO court didn’t also put a gag order on Trump.

[Don't look at me!]

Trump had a judge prove claim he was guilty of insurrection without a trial.

[ObviouslyNotSpam]

It wasn't a criminal trial, so Trump was not convicted of insurrection, and he wasn't found guilty.

The judges made a finding of fact that he had engaged in conduct which disqualified him from serving again as president, pursuant to the original understanding of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. The same law which provides that Congress also has the power to remove that disability from him.

[sarcasmic]

Don't worry. When Trump is president he'll cleanse the blood of the nation by rounding up everyone with a Hispanic last name.

[Chumby]

Squirrelock Holmes, you solved the case of why people don’t want millions of unvetted, mostly non-producing, tax siphoning illegals in a country. It is #racism!

[sarcasmic]

I'm not the one who was quoting Mein Kampf.

[Don't look at me!]

Wasn’t a quote.

[sarcasmic]

I'd like to say I can't believe y'all are defending that, but I'd be a liar.

[JesseAz]

Tell us again how trump invoked the spirit of Hitler.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

It was at a seance, featuring a crystal ball and a ouiga board.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

But it was to yell at him for giving the Democrats ideas.

[sarcasmic]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12881811/Republican-lawmakers-turn-Trump-saying-migrants-poisoning-blood-country-quoting-Putin.html

Republican lawmakers turn on Trump for saying migrants are 'poisoning the blood' of our country and quoting Putin
Trump used a phrase that appeared in Hilter's Mein Kampf when talking Saturday about how migrants are 'poisoning the blood' of US
Speaking at a rally in New Hampshire, Trump also quoted Vladimir Putin to defend himself against the 91 felony charges against him
Senate Republicans don't like Trump's characterization of migrants

Commentariat enraged at RINOs who take offense at Trump quoting Hitler.

[Chumby]

Appeal to authority.

[ObviouslyNotSpam]

Mein Kampf is perhaps a red herring.

The real question is, was the blood poisoning language in Trump's bedside copy of "My New Order"?

[Don't look at me!]

Not defending anything, but trying to correct an inaccurate claim.

[sarcasmic]

*snort*

Sorry bub, but by your own rules trying to correct an inaccurate claim equals defending that claim.

[Don't look at me!]

I have no such rule.

[sarcasmic]

It's how you treat others which means it must be how you want to be treated.

You know "Do unto others as they've done to you."

[Don't look at me!]

LOL @ the fifth grade logic.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

Oh, sarc, do you need to be reminded again that you are a moronic hypocrite, a colossal failure at following your own rules of polite discussion?

Yes, yes you do.

https://reason.com/2023/12/15/in-godzilla-minus-one-government-wont-save-anyone-when-the-crisis-comes/?comments=true#comment-10359327

[JesseAz]

To think just yesterday sarc was complaining of people invoking Godwin law.

[JesseAz]

Sarc has gone full leftist.

Quite racist of you to think the only illegal immigrants are Hispanic by the way.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Ignorant as well, given the reports of Chinese men coming across the border in organized groups. Likewise Africans, Middle Easterners, other Asians, and so forth.

[sarcasmic]

I'm not the one who calls Hispanic immigrants "animals."

[mad.casual]

Police Detective Constable

Oh, JFC

OK, so despite the British stupidity of "Police Detective Officer" rather than just "Detective", she actually is already trained in the detective aspect of her job and should've (presumably) known both how to properly investigate someone to remove them from the list *and* (presumably) that doing so on behalf of a family member or acquaintance without prior notification or approval would appear as, if not constitute, a conflict of interest.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

It does seem rather more like a dishonest mistake than an honest one.

[John F. Carr]

Ten years ago the governor of Massachusetts had a state employee fired for trying to put the governor's brother-in-law on the sex offender registry. The governor thought his brother-in-law's out of state conviction for marital rape was family business. The employee he fired said the crime fit the legal definition of rape under Massachusetts law, requiring the brother-in-law to be listed as a sex offender. Last year a jury awarded the former employee $800,000 for wrongful termination.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Some good news I found on the website the post is from.

Since I'm apparently just not allowed to post links here, no matter how much text accompanies them...

Nearly 650 Just Stop Oil activists have been arrested in a month as campaigners hit out at the police’s “staggering and shocking” use of new anti-protest legislation.

A demonstration was held outside the Metropolitan Police’s New Scotland Yard headquarters on Saturday afternoon.

JSO, which has carried out a string of recent “slow marches” in central London, billed it as a “mass march in solidarity with the innocent climate prisoners”.

The force revealed it arrested eco-warriors on 649 occasions, with 338 charged, since the “start of their latest campaign of disruption” on October 30.

Police are using section 7 of the Public Order Act 2023 to target any action that “interferes with the use or operation of any key national infrastructure”.

But the Guardian reports a 23-year-old arrested within five minutes of joining a demonstration on November 13 was held for 56 hours in custody.

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The newspaper claimed a 19-year-old student was detained for three nights in a London prison despite being given bail by a magistrates’ court. They are considering a case of false imprisonment.

[Think It Through]

Ah, Zainab Hussain and Akbar Khan. Names that positively ring of the jolly old England of the Bard, Dickens, and the Bulldog.

[Chumby]

*shakes spear*