Public Pensions Threaten To Bankrupt State Governments. Florida Has an Answer.
Thanks to recent reforms, most government workers in Florida now enroll in less risky defined contribution plans.

The public sector remains the last stand for the antiquated, lifetime career–focused approach to pensions. Nationwide, state-run pensions have accrued debts exceeding $1 trillion, generating massive new costs for taxpayers. Resolving this issue is not as simple as hitting the off switch on public pensions. Policy makers must grapple with organized union opposition to reform of public retirement plans. Even when plans are restructured to avoid future runaway costs, they are still obliged to fulfill the expensive benefits promised up to that point.
Florida lawmakers found themselves in this very position after the Great Recession, with pension debts exploding to over $38 billion in just one year. Since then, through more than a decade of reforms, the state has made admirable progress in ensuring the retirement plans for public workers don't become an unbearable burden. Most notably, lawmakers took an important leap in directing most new workers to a 401(k)-like defined contribution plan, which does not impose funding risks on employers.
This shift to a defined contribution focus was a crucial step, but it also revealed that the contributions flowing into the plan were below the standards of a secure retirement. Industry experts call for contributions of at least 12 percent of pay to save for an adequate retirement. Most Florida employees were getting half that. Policy makers soon realized—thanks to warnings by Reason Foundation (the nonprofit that publishes this magazine) and other policy experts—that the current setup wasn't built to last.
Seeing this threat to the long-term viability of Florida's retirement system, Gov. Ron DeSantis proposed that state employers raise their contributions to their employees' defined contribution plans. The Legislature passed bipartisan reforms in both 2022 and 2023 that helped the state go from the lowest defined contribution benefit in the country to near the middle of the pack.
Florida now has a more sustainable and affordable public retirement system—but will policy makers see these reforms to their end? Despite pension debts around $36 billion, Republicans and Democrats face pressure from public safety unions to add costly pension benefits. Several cost-saving reforms were undone for police and firefighters this last legislative session, and calls to bring back supplementary benefits—a move that could cost more than $3 billion annually—are likely to continue for the foreseeable future. Policy makers will need to remain dedicated to fiscal responsibility to avoid the pitfalls that created the billions in taxpayer-backed debt in the first place.
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First step, eliminate public unions.
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End the public pensions and replace them with nothing. The employees getting paid can invest that money, perhaps with help from the public sector unions.
This or the past office way of fully finding the pension upon hiring are really the only way to do pensions.
I understand why the people currently recirculation defined benefit plans don't want to lose them though. Getting less for more is never fun.
There is NO way to properly fund a defined benefit plan. The reason is that the amount of funding needed depends on things that happen LONG AFTER the funding must be done. It is literally not possible to know the proper funding amount up front.
DId you read Drucker's
The Unseen Revolution: How Pension Fund Socialism Came to America
Peter Drucker
"In the mid-70s, Peter Drucker predicted that demographic dynamics would eventually turn pensions into a major societal issue; in 2007, author Keith Ambachsheer's book Pension Revolution laid out the ways in which Drucker's predictions had come to pass. This book provides a fresh look at the situation on the ground, and details the encouraging changes that have taken place in pension management concepts and practices. "
I will be retiring with a state of Florida pension at the end of next month. I hope I live long enough to make up for a relatively low pay rate over the last 25 years.
Curious what you think counted as a "relatively low pay rate".
They made less than some of their relatives.
Have you ever met a state office worker and were so impressed by their competence and efficiency that you thought:
'Wow this person could have been an absolute rock star, if only they had worked in the private sector!'?
State? No.
VA? A couple. In my experience, military and VA docs fell at both ends of the spectrum with almost nobody in the middle. Either they were serving for the love and passion of the mission or they were there because they couldn't hold down a job anywhere else.
The issue, however, goes to a fundamental capitalist principle, to wit, the importance of abiding by contracts. When public sector pay is below private sector pay for, to some extent, equivalent tasks, but offers a defined benefit pension, someone taking the job is accepting the deal "less now, more later" and the government as representatives of the People are offering that deal. Further, the People would get less of a tax burden initially, They get hit more at the back end, but they have implicitly consented to the deferral.
It is wrong, therefore, to change the deal when the other side is not in a position to find a contractual alternative. In the words of The Transporter, "the deal is the deal".
If taxpayers don't like these large obligations, they shouldn't have supported the politicians who approved them.
Only when the public sector workers manipulated the system to get high salaries and high retirement benefits that could be even higher if you work tons of overtime in the last two or three years is there a question because then the contract - the deal - was not the same at all.
So how important are contractual rights to you?
Now I think that the move from defined-benefit to defined-contribution plans is a good idea for both sides - in most cases it truly is a win-win, but if the contractual terms of the DB plan were fair in the context of public sector workers' salaries, then thew government and taxpayers have to eat it.
"The public sector remains the last stand for the antiquated, lifetime career–focused approach to pensions."
Maybe that’s because it’s the last stand for the lifetime career focus.
Once blockquote tags are used once here, it seems they can't be corrected by editing.
No.
Blockquote tags only screw up when they are the first thing in a comment. Add some minimal text at the start.
ETA that they are lost when you edit; you have to edit them back in. This is not unique to blockquotes. Some other tags are also lost when you edit.
Why did any employers ever want to be in the position of gambling on investment returns? Cash on the barrelhead you can guarantee; beyond that, you’re in the insurance business. i.e. a bookie. Yet such plans became popular.
The folks making the financial commitments won’t be there when the payouts are due. And the taxpayer was not being represented at the negotiating table, but the unions had reps there.
This.
Not a gamble for politicians and union officers who reap instant benefits from promises decades out.
It wasn't as risk when it started. People hardly lived past 65. Now people live longer.
"Why did any employers ever want to be in the position of gambling on investment returns?"
Goes back to WWII. To keep the cost of war materials down, the US government instituted wage caps.
With the military draft limiting the labor supply, companies had to find ways other than wages to compete for scarce labor.
Thus was invented the notion of indirect compensation. Pensions, employer paid health care, your entire "benefits" package owes it's existence to the federal government meddling in the labor market during WWII.
By the time the war ended and the wage caps went away, the various forms of indirect compensation were fully entrenched.
In addition to the answers already given, pensions really took off as a way around the government wage controls of WW2. (Pensions existed even back to Revolutionary times but they were small and rare until the mid-20th century.) It's the same market distortion that put employers in the middle of health care payments. And we've never successfully gotten untangled from that mess.
Why did any employers ever want to be in the position of gambling on investment returns?
Before the 70s, pension plans were just another pot of money that a corporation could draw on and use as it deemed fit. Sure, it had these agreements with employees to pay pensions, but if they went bust... well, it wasn't a problem for the employer.
In the 70s, federal law restricted that practice significantly, and sought to shore up people's entitlements to their pension benefits. The legal change had the intended effect, but it also had the unintended effect of pushing more employers to drop defined benefit pension plans, and move more towards defined contribution, where employees would themselves bear the risks of investment performance.
Crucially, the federal law did not apply to state pension plans, which explains why they've stuck around this long (and have been so deeply underfunded).
That matches my recollection that around 1970, less than half of workers who earned a defined-benefits pension and lived long enough actually collected it in full. They lost their job and their pension just before retirement. The employer underfunded the pension plan, and then shed their obligation to make good on it in bankruptcy or mergers. Or they had a union contract that had the union manage the pension fund - and the union leaders looted it, for instance by "investing" the funds in unprofitable businesses that existed mainly to write large paychecks to their relatives.
"Public Pensions Threaten To Bankrupt State Governments. Florida Has an Answer"
Is it Carousel?
LOL! Logan's Run.
The only way to reduce the pressure by government employee unions is to reduce the number of government employees. Florida state, like every other state, county and city in America should privatize highways, utilities, security, fire and emergency medical services, parks and schools. They should all significantly downsize law enforcement and court systems together with decriminalizing everything but violent crimes like assault, murder, and robbery. Once they have eliminated 80 percent of their employees, the retirement systems for the remaining folks will be much more manageable. And public sector employee unions will not be able to blackmail politicians and officials any more.
The moralizing conservatives couldn't deal with adults making decisions that they don't like. Its why we still have a drug war.
So is it the moralizing or the party affiliation. You never actually take a moral stand,you pretend to. 🙂
Public pensions are bankrupting California. Gavin Newsom and democrats want to expand the model nationwide.
Perhaps we need something like an excessive government retiree pension tax, like tax a portion of the pension that exceeds 500% of the poverty level
Or state governments could only hire heavy smokers.
I've followed this for years, and here is real Biden-go-to-prison material.He knew that Covid money and those mega-spending bills were going to pay down atrocious underfunded state pensions like California's PURE CORRUPTION
Covid relief bill gives $86 billion bailout to failing union ...
Mar 8, 2021 — The $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill offers $86 billion in grants to failing multi-employer pension plan
2017 RAND Corp study
California leads the nation in pension underfunding: $464.4 billion in unfunded liabilities.
DId you read Drucker's
The Unseen Revolution: How Pension Fund Socialism Came to America
Peter Drucker
"In the mid-70s, Peter Drucker predicted that demographic dynamics would eventually turn pensions into a major societal issue; in 2007, author Keith Ambachsheer's book Pension Revolution laid out the ways in which Drucker's predictions had come to pass. This book provides a fresh look at the situation on the ground, and details the encouraging changes that have taken place in pension management concepts and practices. "
“Public Pensions Threaten To Bankrupt State Governments. Florida Has an Answer”
No, the push will be for the federal government to take the pensions over.