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Israel

Hamas Tunnels Under Hospitals

Plus: Trump's immigration crackdown, housewives and groceries, QAnon Shaman update, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 11.13.2023 9:30 AM

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Hospitals encircled: In Gaza City, Israeli forces have surrounded several hospitals, including Al Shifa, which Israeli intelligence says is strategically situated above critical Hamas tunnels used by the terrorist group to conduct its operations. Other hospitals threatened by advancing Israeli troops include Al Quds, Rantisi, and Al Nasr. Two of the hospitals (Rantisi and Al Nasr) were successfully evacuated whereas the others (Al Quds and Al Shifa) have endured power outages from bombardment that have threatened doctors' abilities to provide life-saving care to patients.

According to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), Hamas tunnels are not only located under hospitals—using civilians as human shields and making it harder to actually target terrorists—but also siphon away electricity, diverting it away from patients in need and toward Hamas' own evil ends.

Israeli intelligence officials have shared evidence of these tunnels and their locations, most notably situated below Al Shifa, with the U.S. government and with American journalists. Intelligence officials at home "are confident that Hamas has used tunnel networks under hospitals, in particular Al Shifa, for command and control areas as well as for weapons storage," according to The New York Times. 

Al Shifa is no longer functioning as a hospital, according to United Nations officials, because conditions are so bad that people no longer receive competent medical care. Power outages killed six people, including two premature babies, over the weekend, according to the Gazan health ministry (which is controlled by Hamas and thus unreliable). Decomposing corpses, which have not been stored properly, are sitting in the hospital courtyard, where they could spread diseases.

The U.S. conducts airstrikes: Yesterday, the American military conducted airstrikes on Iran-backed forces in eastern Syria. Though not the first of its kind in recent weeks, many report that this is an escalation conducted in response to increasingly frequent strikes on U.S. soldiers in the region.

Pentagon officials say that Iranian proxies have conducted 41 attacks on U.S. bases and facilities in Syria and Iraq since the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel. The American strikes conducted over the weekend hit a training camp and a safe house.

Trump's horrible immigration plans: Over the weekend, The New York Times published a long investigative feature detailing Donald Trump's immigration policy plans for if he wins a second presidential term. They're essentially an escalation of his first-term agenda and would involve trampling all over due process and expelling massive numbers of people from the country.

"Trump wants to revive his first-term border policies, including banning entry by people from certain Muslim-majority nations and reimposing a Covid 19-era policy of refusing asylum claims — though this time he would base that refusal on assertions that migrants carry other infectious diseases like tuberculosis," reports the Times.

"He plans to scour the country for unauthorized immigrants and deport people by the millions per year" and "the visas of foreign students who participated in anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian protests would be canceled" while people with "undesirable attitudes"—according to the administration—would not be granted visas in the first place. Temporary protected status recipients would have their protections revoked and be forced to return to the countries they came from.

Trump would allegedly do all of this by redirecting the military budget toward immigration enforcement.

"Any activists who doubt President Trump's resolve in the slightest are making a drastic error: Trump will unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to implement the most spectacular migration crackdown," former White House aide Stephen Miller, who engineered much of Trump's first-term policy, told the Times. "The immigration legal activists won't know what's happening."


Scenes from New York:

Markets in everything (but the idea of listening to amateur DJs makes me want to die).


QUICK HITS

  • Caitlin Flanagan escaped timeshare hell (and wrote about it).
  • Disappointing exactly zero people, Tim Scott has made the decision to suspend his presidential campaign.
  • More on that Nord Stream blast.
  • QAnon Shaman running for office as a Libertarian, natch.
  • Very good comparison:

The average hourly wage in 1947 was about $1 per hour, meaning it took 12.5 hours to buy these groceries. With 12.5 hours of work at the average wage ($29) today, you would have $350 -- more than enough for 2 weeks of groceries pic.twitter.com/88bqroen2v

— Jeremy 'adjusted for inflation' Horpedahl ???? (@jmhorp) November 12, 2023

  • Though I appreciate a passion for slashing the size of government, Vivek Ramaswamy is not in fact full of very many good ideas. He always gives high-school-sophomore-in-debate-club vibes:

On Day 1, *instantly* fire 50% of federal bureaucrats.

Here's how: if your SSN ends in an odd number, you're fired.

That downsizes government by half. Absolutely *nothing* will break as a result.

It doesn't violate civil service rules because mass layoffs are exempt.

SHUT IT…

— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) November 12, 2023

  • What exactly is this Washington Post editor calling for?

This is a gem I hadn't seen before. I might expect this from an Oberlin college student, but from the world opinions editor @washingtonpost? pic.twitter.com/m1fXnb7dBg

— David Bernstein (@ProfDBernstein) November 12, 2023

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  1. Chumby   2 years ago

    Fuck Joe Biden

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      And the hords of spam bots that will be under this comment

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      Fuck Joe Biden
      Fuck Donald Trump
      Fuck Obama
      Fuck Bush
      Fuck Clinton
      Fuck Team Blue
      Fuck Team Red
      Fuck the ossified corrupt duopoly that has controlled our politics for far too long.

      1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

        Poor Jeff. Can’t manage to navigate life in a successful fashion.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          It was a rather weak attempt at a boaf sidez to chaff and redirect away from miserable failures of the Biden (D) administration. Excuses are like asses and phlegmjeff’s are humongous.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            And with that, Jeffy's already left some turds big enough to match his ass here.

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              1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

                All Hail Thane of Madi! I didn’t know Shakespeare's Macbeth had a Shia Muslim character.
                🙂
                😉

          2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            ChemJeff has multiple humungous asses?
            🙂
            😉

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              That might explain a lot about Jeffy.

            2. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Triple asses and quintuple chins.

              1. Chumby   2 years ago

                Maths equation:

                Double Stuff Oreos + Triple Bacon Cheeseburger =

                Quintuple Chins

                2 + 3 = 5

                1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

                  Damn! That's getting on as many Chins as Chinatown!
                  🙂
                  😉

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    More Chins than a Chinese phone book.

            3. R Mac   2 years ago

              I congratulated him on losing some weight and instead of thanking me he attacked me.

              1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago (edited)

                He should lose some more and decapitate himself.

                1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

                  Dr. Benny Hill's way if getting rid of 10 pounds of ugly fat.
                  🙂
                  😉

              2. Chumby   2 years ago

                You were expecting him to scale back the rhetoric?

                1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

                  Come on, we all knew that Jeffy would weigh in on this subject.

                  1. Chumby   2 years ago

                    Recall when Jared from Subway stopped feeding his food addiction…

                    1. R Mac   2 years ago

                      Has anyone ever seen Jared and Jeffy in the same room together?

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      Come to think about it.....

                      No.

                    3. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago (edited)

                      My theory is that Jeffy is the hundreds of pounds of lard liposuctioned off Jared. Now taking on an even more malignant life of its own. And even more pro pedo.

            4. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

              I picture Jeffy as multiple bags of pig lard, stuffed in a massively oversized man child suit.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Jeff only meant two of those, but for the rest of the day he'll point to that to prove he's totes nonpartisan when people start pointing out he's shilling for the Democrats.

        Just watch.

      3. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

        "He always gives high-school-sophomore-in-debate-club vibes:"

        Liz didn't realize she summoned Jeffie. Its his hallmark after all

      4. Anomalous   2 years ago

        That's gonna take a lot of blue pills.

      5. creech   2 years ago

        Pretty much. But you left off "pineapple pizza" and "late night show 'comedians'."

    3. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      Not with Jackie's dick. Is she here?

    4. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/DolioJ/status/1724044455253061645?t=az5EinaZK74P-h3qHTodww&s=19

      In case you didn't know, we're already in the wider regional war.

      I'll ask the question again, what's the legal basis for this base?

      [Link]

      1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

        There is no legal basis for the US to be in Syria. Congress has not approved.

        1. Minadin   2 years ago

          Neither has Syria.

    5. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/fentasyl/status/1723942686191657335?t=J7hjHu9qjYoOGo1hxM0wrQ&s=19

      The euphemism white flight is widely used in the corporate media & is taught in US Public School Civil Rights Era curriculum.

      With this dataset, it becomes clear that this derisive term was invented to blame the victims of a campaign that would be called "pogroms" had they happened in Russia.

      Overlaying it on the frequency the term "white flight" was published in the English language tells much of the story.

      [Links]

  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    In Gaza City, Israeli forces have surrounded several hospitals...

    They just can't let hospitals alone! I wonder why that is...

    1. Aloysious   2 years ago

      They're after all the cute nurses.

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        Nothing sexier than scrubs and a burhka

        1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

          Somehow we went from M*A*S*H to rule 34 here.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

            Between “Hot Lips” and Klinger, M*A*S*H was already fulfilling Rule 34.
            🙂
            😉

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Yesterday, the American military conducted airstrikes on Iran-backed forces in eastern Syria.

    It's not fair that the US doesn't have its own proxy in this fight.

    1. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      The start of WW IV?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        I thought we were up to WW VI now. According to the left, Trump started III, IV, and V.

        1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

          Stop using Roman numerals.
          Math is racist, and the Romans were white, so this is double racist.
          Think of the children!

          1. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

            When we get there, will WW Xi be allowed or are we going with WW Frumpticron or similar?

        2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

          The argument could be made that both the 7 Years War and the Napoleonic Wars should also be counted as world wars.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Very true, as can the American Revolution - parts were fought between Britain and France in India of all places.

      2. Chumby   2 years ago

        The mandatory vaxxing attempt was WW IV.

    2. LIBertrans   2 years ago

      Ackshully the US Gubmint has 95% dumb voters, taxpayers and soldiers to use as proxies. You don't see Marjorie Greene-Teeth handling a military rifle outside of the vids she records for Klan rallies. In Alas Babylon, by "Pat Frank," a U.S jet pilot chases a bogie, lets fly a missile and the damned thing deflects and chases a locomotive exhaust instead of the Syrian-piloted jet if memory serves. Not long afterward Orlando is flattened and glows in the dark, along with lots of other places. Not sure who Pat Frank was, but his training shows.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Got any actual citations and links for that, Hank?

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD

      2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

        My goodness, you do paint a frightening picture, hank!

        Ummm, I think, anyway. Maybe not. Hard to say.

      3. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        Why are you girl bullying MTG?

  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...reimposing a Covid 19-era policy of refusing asylum claims — though this time he would base that refusal on assertions that migrants carry other infectious diseases like tuberculosis," reports the Times.

    Has the Times already forgotten we're in the middle of a pandemic???

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      10M illegals in three years should qualify as a pandemic.

      Just sayin'

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        Almost juan million illegals per quarter.

    2. Nardz   2 years ago

      https://twitter.com/BonifaceOption/status/1724083214128488591?t=pfZqNmEjWzgIJDOe0j9YHg&s=19

      A 100% chance the Justice Department’s Special Antiracism Unit talked to the victim’s father and was told to read the script or else.

      Not an outlandish theory. This is literally what they do.

      [Link]

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Same thing happened when the illegal immigrant killed Mollie Tibbets a few years ago--her dad put out this pathetic missive that literally called them "Iowans with better food."

        Just another example of how leftists think self-mortification will provide them with salvation to the marxist religion.

        1. Super Scary   2 years ago

          " literally called them “Iowans with better food.”"

          Why is it always food with people like that? They always fall back to that for some reason, I don't get it.

          1. Dillinger   2 years ago

            the food in Iowa is not the problem.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Their whole existence is wrapped up in an ideal of hedonistic indulgence.

          3. Nardz   2 years ago

            Because food is the only broadly appealing thing immigrants en masse offer.

            1. Disolv   2 years ago

              Right, because broadly, refugees should be a humanitarian concern & the idea that we should somehow justify their presence to xenophobes by demonstrating that, yes, they do produce value, is silly. They deserve to be here, and often more than you do.

              1. Ersatz   2 years ago (edited)

                they are economic refugees… and as such should be subject to the laws of the country they are forcing themselves on.

                they are not [the vast, vast, vaaaaassst majority] here because of mal-treatment or war in their home state

                TLDR – they dont get to play the sympathy card
                hmmm just noticed a similarity to Hammas hiding behind civilians

                illegal aliens are hiding behind the welfare of the children they force into the terrible situation of being muled across the border by a bunch of coyotes.

          4. Disolv   2 years ago

            Let's be honest, White people are not hated for their food. It's the deeply ingrained attitudes of racial supremacy and settlerist entitlement.

        2. Disolv   2 years ago

          It's so weird to me that half this country actively wants you to be a racist, to embrace collective punishment & victim blaming, and then when you won't do that bc you consider it unjust, they get mad, and call you some kind of a sissy.

          Maybe try not being racist and you'll feel like you fight less losing battles.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    ...people with "undesirable attitudes"—according to the administration—would not be granted visas in the first place.

    On paper that's going to sell.

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      Got no problem with that.

      Coming here is a privilege. We are under zero obligation to say "yes" to everybody.

      1. Brett Bellmore   2 years ago

        Right. I read Reason's description of Trump's proposed policy, and it sounds pretty good.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          You're not the least bit curious about what would constitute an "undesirable attitude"?

    2. Illocust   2 years ago

      I do not feel comfortable with that requirement. Giving government officials the ability to ideologically screen the population rarely ends well.

      1. LIBertrans   2 years ago

        Ronald Reagan did it in 1986, and the courts quit delaying it 01OCT1987, just in time for the Crash that--to Republicans--had nothing to do with keepng hippies out of the government, or seizing Panamanian Banks, or the Wright Omnibus Drug bill complete with amendments by Sen. John F Kerry and Sen. Mitch McConnell, or Congressman Lundgren's faith-based asset-forfeiture rider, or the International Conference on Drug Abuse and Illicit Trafficking in Vienna, Austria. Christian National Socialist dogma also ignores the wave of "tax evasion" cases against important traders in South America worsen the depression. That's all coincidence.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Hank, can you translate that from Retard into English?

      2. NOYB2   2 years ago

        I do not feel comfortable with that requirement. Giving government officials the ability to ideologically screen the population rarely ends well.

        They don't have the power to "ideologically screen the population", but they certainly have the power to "ideologically screen immigrants". They have had that power for at least a century. And there is nothing wrong with that power.

        1. Disolv   2 years ago

          So, immigrants should not have equal rights as natural born citizens? Sounds like a naked power grab by White Nationalists. They see America not as the hot mess that it is, but as a White nation beseiged by Brown and Black people.

          1. Junkmailfolder   2 years ago

            I'll take "Strawman or Projection?" for $100, Alex.

      3. Disolv   2 years ago

        That's exactly what this is about.

    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

      It is already a requirement regarding support of terrorist organizations. Just not being enforced.

      1. Disolv   2 years ago

        "Terrorist" is a poorly defined word. More State Department tomfoolery and witch hunting.

      2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Which explains why they didn't say "we're going to enforce the existing rules"...

  6. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

    Trumps immigration plan sounds... Exactly like what a serious country would do

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    Disappointing exactly zero people, Tim Scott has made the decision to suspend his presidential campaign.

    He was just too beautiful for this world.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      Another black face of white supemecy

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        https://twitter.com/ploughmansfolly/status/1704857968104378527?t=wIwjJbsTPoOWf3GIYqv09g&s=19

        In case you were wondering why the script is always the same, grieving relatives of white people killed by non-whites receive visitation and instruction from the Department of Justice’s ‘Community Relations Service’, which is trained to use moral guilt to coerce these statements.

        [Link]

        1. Marshal   2 years ago

          I wonder why George Floyd’s family didn’t get the same message.

          Well, not really.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          Honestly, if that happened to a family member of mine for the same reason, any government official showing up at my door to tell me to read those kinds of statements wouldn't be coming home that night.

        3. Disolv   2 years ago

          Yes, if any victim's family were to come out with a call to racial violence, we could see yet another riot by White, racist Americans.

    2. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      Pluggo hardest hit.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago (edited)

        He had a horse, manacles and a noose all ready to go and now they’re useless. He was already dreaming of the backpats from the plantation owners as he dragged the "lawn jockey" back to the quarters.
        All gone now.

    3. damikesc   2 years ago

      I can think of one poster quite upset that Scott won't be there for him to pull his Step 'n' Fetchit nonsense on.

      1. damikesc   2 years ago

        Looking at the bottom comments --- I called that. Perfectly.

        1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

          Makes me think Liz doesn't actually read the comments... or, perhaps she doesn't consider Buttplug to be people.

    4. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   2 years ago

      Tim Scott's girlfriend hardest hit . . . in that there is no longer any reason for her to exist.

      Carry on, clingers.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Fuck off, clinger.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          That's "Fuck Off, Klinger!"
          🙂
          😉

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        Tim Scott’s girlfriend hardest hit

        One less modeling job = one more unemployed.

        I can see it now - (before the debate):

        "Let's get Timmye a beard - if that doesn't work it means they just don't like his skin color."

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Plugly is all for homosexuality unless it's wearing an (R) and then he's suddenly Pat Robertson's grandfather.

          1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

            Imagine what he thinks of gay black republicans.

            1. John C. Randolph   2 years ago

              I'm sure he thinks about them all the time.

              -jcr

      3. Fats of Fury   2 years ago

        Maybe he can call Cory Booker and get Rosie Perez's number?

        1. Ersatz   2 years ago

          It was [even more confoundingly] Rosario Dawson, i believe

    5. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

      I’m sure Pluggo will be making a plethora of racist attacks on Senator Scott soon.

    6. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

      I like Scott personally but his campaign simply wasn't capable of catching fire. He says he is not open at this time to being VP, but I think that he should really consider it if offered. He would mop the floor with Kamala, and put him in the driver's seat of a future run.

      1. NOYB2   2 years ago

        If Trump runs, no sane person will volunteer for VP or for any political position in his administration; the abuses of power by Democrats have seen to that.

        In fact, it will be hard to get people to join any Republican administration, given the kind of revenge Democrats will enact on any member of a Republican administration.

  8. Sevo   2 years ago

    "...whereas the others (Al Quds and Al Shifa) have endured power outages from bombardment that have threatened doctors' abilities to provide life-saving care to patients..."

    Tell the Hamas forces to allow the hospitals to tap into their power sources.

    1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      They were supposed to run out of fuel about 30 days ago.

      1. Ska   2 years ago

        Just imagine if they were trying to flatten the curve.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        They were supposed to be drinking sea water just a few of days after October 7. Everyone in Gaza should have all died of kidney failure by now.

        1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

          They were supposed to unconditionally surrender.

    2. Minadin   2 years ago

      "Al Shifa is no longer functioning as a hospital, according to United Nations officials"

      Well, then it's a legit target. Bombs away.

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Can't they just pump some Zyklon B into the tunnels?

        1. Minadin   2 years ago

          They probably already have some at the hospital.

      2. Disolv   2 years ago

        Your indifference to genocide is sickening. The world will remember, this is how the average Western centrist felt. Just like we remember every Nazi supporting civilian from ww2.

        1. Minadin   2 years ago

          I think you're confused / mistaken about which side in this conflict shares the most in common with the Nazis.

        2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          I think you may be overestimating the number of "average Western centrists" represented in the Reason comments section...

    3. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Can't China send them some solar panels and windmills?

    4. Disolv   2 years ago

      This is simply factually incorrect, and insinuates that Gazans should be collectively punished for their "support of Hamas" (aka, for resisting Israel)

      Israel does not have a right to exist, because its existence is predicated on the expulsion or execution of native peoples.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Er, it does under international law.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    More on that Nord Stream blast.

    It was Biden's handlers. They hate pipelines.

    1. mad.casual   2 years ago

      You're going to need to be more clear about which Biden, handlers, and pipelines. Burisma hates pipelines running from Russia to Europe outside the Ukraine, yes.

  10. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

    So glad the lose of black chicks never lead to anything bad

  11. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    QAnon Shaman running for office as a Libertarian, natch.

    He's got my vote, but only if he legally changes his name to that.

    No, wait, scratch that. Illegally changes his name to that.

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      I won’t vote for him. He’s trying to tie Religion and State. And Ju-Ju doesn't deregulate and cut taxes and spending

      1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

        Hey everyone this guy is an edgy atheist.
        See no one cares.

    2. Super Scary   2 years ago

      He should also be able to wear his shaman raiment. There's no dress code now, right?

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

        Turns out his only crime was walking into Congress a few years too early.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Well, that is true. And Fetterman would also look fitting dressed as Michelangelo's version of God, since he is just as bumbling in his pronouncements.
        🙂
        😉

    3. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

      I’ll donate to his campaign and I don’t even live in AZ.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    The average hourly wage in 1947 was about $1 per hour, meaning it took 12.5 hours to buy these groceries.

    Every time I set foot in the grocery store today it seems like half a day wasted.

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      And that's just searching for the new locations of the various goods.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Chart regarding grocery price inflation. Early 2020 to present is a bit eye-opening.

      https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/average-prices-for-selected-grocery-store-items-2015-present/

      1. Minadin   2 years ago

        I noticed this past weekend that eggs were more or less back to normal, or at least within the range of normal.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Yeah, it's been weird. At one point, they were about $5/dozen. Now, at my local Meijer, they're back to $1.19/dozen. Pre-Covid, I think they could be less than $1/dozen.

          1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

            Chickens were culled due to a disease. The large producers were hit hardest. At one point, my small, local chicken ranch had other producers begging to buy their hens at stupid high prices, though they refused.

            Anyway, chickens mature super fast, so the flocks are completely restored now. Prices are back to normal here, too.

            1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

              On average a layer lives about 13 months. Can start laying around 3 to 4 months old. Yeah, poultry, and to a slightly lesser extent pork, (a gilt starts cycling around 3 months old and can have three litters a year, average litter in a commercial facility is around 9) can increase size fairly quickly. Cattle on the other hand, and sheep and goats to a lesser degree, take quite awhile to increase. Generally a beef cow will breed slightly after her first birthday (although she will likely start cycling around 6-8 months, so dairies usually start trying to breed them around 9-12 months). With a nine month gestation, she'll calve for the first time around her second birthday, and rarely have more than one calf (in fact, we try to avoid twins as much as possible, via culling). Sheep and goats will usually breed around six months old (generally most commercial meat breeds are short day breeders so they'll kid or lamb in the spring and breed the following fall). Generally, twins are desirable, though some breeds of sheep can have up to nine lambs at a time, but this creates several different complications, thus twins are the target of most sheep and goats producers. This means goats and sheep can replace numbers quicker than cattle but far less quickly than poultry or pork. Due to drought and high feed and fuel prices, the national cattle herd size has been depressed for several years, and now that calf prices are (unrealistically) high (although, most of us are still barely breaking even due to the outrageously high input costs the last two years) demand for breeding stock has also increased and driven those prices through the roof. Of course the best time to expand your herd size is when the price cycle (generally a five year cycle, see explanation of breeding cycle) is at its nadir, but it is hard to convince your banker such when calf prices are at or below break even.

      2. Minadin   2 years ago

        Also, it looks like in my lifetime, we've only had 12 total months of double-digit grocery price inflation, and all of them were in a row, the past 2 years, under this administration.

    3. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      Per the St. Louis fed data, 1.237/hr for manufacturing, 1.29/hr for durable goods.
      https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/title/employment-earnings-60/august-1960-20153/gross-hours-earnings-production-workers-manufacturing-340949

      1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

        So, less than 10 hours but still more than a work day. I'd like to see what the average NET income was, not just the gross before taxes, since taxation has changed so much.

        What were housing prices like relative to income?

        Just for grins, I did the math on the Great Gatsby last year. Remember the narrator lived in a house on the sound, with a huge lawn down to the water, next to a giant mansion out on Long Island. Convert the rent to 2023 dollars and it was about $1500 a month.

        1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

          Found this. https://cdn-0.inflationdata.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Inf-adj-Housing-Prices-6-2022.png

          According to the data here, national house priced are inflation adjusted twice what they've been since about the 1990s, about triple what they were in 1947, though that was the end of a long period of low prices in the 20s through the depression and war, so that's anomalous.

          Still, roughly double nationally.

        2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          The fictional narrator, living in a fictional house, with a fictional lawn, next to a fictional mansion on Long Island?

          And it was really $1,500 a month, you say...

    4. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Bent-and-dent salvage and thrift stores are the way to go for both prices and lack of crowds. You can even get gourmet brands for cheap too. (And never mind bent or out-of date cans. If they aren't bloated or leaking, they are still good and I've had no problem with taste or quality either.)

  13. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    On Day 1, *instantly* fire 50% of federal bureaucrats.

    Only if he has the stones.

  14. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago (edited)

    Hi Liz, can you tell me what’s wrong with vivakes plan? Other than the fact that's it's far too restrictive

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      Not seeing the problem, either. We have WAY too many government employees as is. We need to whittle them down significantly.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Vivek's plan was stupid for not including the evens.

        1. rbike   2 years ago

          Umm six weeks ago he was at 75% reductions. At this rate, he will be adding more by election day.

    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

      It would be nice if he would propose a systematic plan for reducing the government. The "instantly fire half" is too unserious, and he can't really be pinned down on what it means.

      From which departments?
      Will all the current agencies continue to exist, just at half-strength?
      Etc.

      There's no way he will follow through on this, on the off-chance that he actually gets elected.

      1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

        There’s no way he will follow through on this, on the off-chance that he actually gets elected.

        They'd kill him. And blame it on a white supremist.

        1. Ajsloss   2 years ago

          But I thought he was the Indian face of white supremacy?

          1. Minadin   2 years ago

            Don't tell the white supremacists. (D)

      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

        All departments, all agencies.
        The plan is pretty clear to me, and less vague than the rules these agencies put out.

        My plan would be easier, if your agency employees people that carry, and it's not the marshals or the military, you agency is gone and you are barred from all federal employment.

        1. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   2 years ago

          I think it's nice that this website provides a place at which disaffected anti-government cranks can huddle for warmth and experience synthetic relevance.

          Carry on, clingers . . . but, as always, only so far as your betters permit.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

            Project much, Kirkland?

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

            They also provide a place where gestapo wannabees can express their hatred for people capable of living their own lives.

          3. Nobartium   2 years ago (edited)

            You’re going to be very disappointed in the near future, when neoliberals are killed by the mongrels you invited.

          4. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            "this website provides a place at which disaffected anti-government cranks"

            Kirkland is as libertarian as Jeffy I see.

          5. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

            Don't worry, Arty, the way your buck-broken allies are eating each other over the Israel/Palestine conflict, you might end up getting clapped by one of your own, insh'Allah.

            Carry on, hicklib.

          6. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

            “I think it’s nice that this website provides a place at which disaffected anti-government cranks can huddle for warmth and experience synthetic relevance.”

            So when Trump is back in charge, that will be YOU.

            Think about that you dumb bitch.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

          According to a report released by the Government Accountability Office in 2018, the IRS has been stockpiling ammunition and weapons for years. As of 2018, the agency had 4,487 firearms and 5,062,006 rounds of ammunition in its inventory, the report said. The IRS purchased more than $700,000 in ammunition in recent days.

          Forbes has been keeping tabs on this division for many years, and notes that in one 2-year period, agents had accidental discharges 11 times--which was more times than they fired their weapons intentionally in the field. Their arsenal includes fully automatic weapons. One might be forced to wonder: why does the IRS need this level of firepower when the Treasury Department already includes the Secret Service? And when the agency could tap the FBI or US Marshals Service, ATF, or DEA as may be most applicable to their target's proclivities?

          Some of these go back to the Obama years.

          The Gun-Toting IRS (forbes.com)
          The Statutory Problem With IRS Firearms (forbes.com)
          IRS Has 4,500 Guns, 5 Million Rounds Ammunition: Paying Taxes? (forbes.com)
          Why Are Federal Bureaucrats Buying Guns And Ammo? $158 Million Spent By Non-Military Agencies (forbes.com)

        3. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

          As for the IRS, one might see that *perhaps* there is some need for armed IRS agents. But armed Department of Education agents? Armed FDA agents? Armed USDA agents?

          Heritage.org:

          Add the U.S. Department of Education to the list of federal agencies that can invade your home at gunpoint and hold you and your family in custody for hours.

          Kenneth Wright learned this the hard way last week, when federal "education" agents busted down the front door of his Stockton, Calif., home at 6 in the morning.

          "They surrounded the house; it was like a task force or SWAT team," a neighbor told a national news affiliate. "They all had guns. They dragged him out in his boxer shorts, threw him to the ground and handcuffed him."

          Wright's terrified children -- ages 3, 9 and 11 -- were forced to sit in a patrol car for two hours. Wright himself was in custody for six hours. "I felt really bad for those kids," a neighbor said.

          Federal agents for the Education Department's inspector general executed a very broad search warrant and seized paperwork and a personal computer. Wright says the law enforcement agents -- who reportedly included 13 with the Education Department and one or two Stockton police officers -- told him they were investigating his estranged wife's use of federal aid for students. But she doesn't even live in his house.

          A federal spokesman tried to distance the Education Department from the raid by emphasizing that the IG runs a "semi-independent office." But that begs the question of why a federal agency overseeing education policy should have an IG who can send agents armed with guns into Americans' homes. Or why the department has SWAT-style teams of agents to begin with.

          [...]

          But the list includes dozens of federal agencies with no business training and fielding armed officers. Who wants early-morning armed break-ins by the Department of Agriculture, Railroad Retirement Board, Bureau of Land Management, Tennessee Valley Authority, Office of Personnel Management, and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service?

          1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

            I wouldn’t shed a a tear of a bunch of Dept. of Ed. agents attempted to raid the wrong home and got put down.

          2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

            Mostly the USDA armed agents are USFS law enforcement, and probably run a higher average threat level than armed IRS agents. If I had my druthers all federal law enforcement would be conducted by the Marshals and Postal Inspectors, you know like how it is spelled out in the Constitution. But USFS law enforcement will face danger far more often than IRS agents (drug cartels running illegal grows on forest service land, poachers, some of who can be very violent and who obviously are going to be armed in the commission of their crimes, drunk campers who have a high probability of being armed etc).

            1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

              Also, APHIS is ran through USDA and they deal with the illegal animals trade, and some of those smugglers have a propensity for violence. APHIS can also be involved in criminal investigations of rustling, and modern day rustling is as violent sometimes as in the days of the frontier. Rustling tends more often to be investigated by local jurisdictions but often is interstate operating rings.

        4. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

          From Forbes again:

          What’s curious, however, is that traditionally administrative agencies spent more than $20 million. Four notable examples:

          1) The 2,300 Special Agents at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) are allowed to carry AR-15’s, P90 tactical rifles, and other heavy weaponry. Recently, the IRS armed up with $1.2 million in new ammunition. This was in addition to the $11 million procurement of guns, ammunition, and military-style equipment procured between 2006-2014.

          2) The Small Business Administration (SBA) spent tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars to load its gun locker with Glocks last year. The SBA wasn’t alone – the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service modified their Glocks with silencers.

          3) The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has a relatively new police force. In 1996, the VA had zero employees with arrest and firearm authority. Today, the VA has 3,700 officers, armed with millions of dollars’ worth of guns and ammunition including AR-15's, Sig Sauer handguns, and semi-automatic pistols.

          4) Meanwhile, Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) agents carry the same sophisticated weapons platforms used by our Special Forces military warriors. The HHS gun locker is housed in a new “National Training Operations Center” – a facility at an undisclosed location within the DC beltway.

          Spending on guns and ammo at 58 non-military federal agencies – including 40 regulatory, administrative agencies – amounted to $158 million.

          The continued growth of the federal arsenal begs the question: Just whom are the feds planning to battle?

          More examples of agencies amassing firepower over the last two years:

          Loading the Gun Locker – Federal agencies spent $44 million on guns, including an “urgent” order for 20 M-16 Rifles with extra magazines at the Department of Energy ($49,559); shotguns and Glock pistols at the General Services Administration ($16,568); and a bulk order of pistols, sights, and accessories by the Bureau of Reclamation whose main job is to build dams, power plants, and canals ($697,182).

          Buying Bullets in Bulk – The government spent $114 million on ammunition, including bulk purchases by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) ($66,927); the Smithsonian ($42,687); and the Railroad Retirement Board ($6,941). The Social Security Administration spent $61,129 on bullets including 50,000 rounds of ammunition plus 12-gauge buckshot and slug ammo.

          The EPA special agents purchased ammunition for their .357 and 9mm revolvers and buckshot for their shotguns. While Bernie Sanders claimed that the biggest adversary to the United States was climate change, the EPA stood ready to fight in ways we couldn’t have imagined.

          Hollow-Point Bullets – Despite being outlawed by the Geneva Convention, federal agencies spent $426,268 on hollow-point bullets, including orders from the Forest Service, National Park Service, Office of Inspector General, Bureau of Fiscal Service, as well as Drug Enforcement Administration, U.S. Marshals, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

          1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

            Every one of these agencies should be disarmed.

          2. Longtobefree   2 years ago

            One motive is that each gun the feds buy is a gun a citizen can't buy.
            Sort of market-place gun control.

            But yeah, no agency beyond the U. S. Marshal's Office and the Treasury guys on protective details really need guns of any kind.
            Kinda makes you wonder if all these feds were disarmed, the cities might get safer, because they wouldn't go to work with the current crime rates.

          3. Chumby   2 years ago

            Forbes should learn there are a dearth of 9mm revolvers. They exist but not many. Likely .357 magnum for revolvers and the rimless cartridge 9 mm parabellum for semi-auto pistols.

            1. Stuck in California   2 years ago

              > there are a dearth of 9mm revolvers. They exist but not many.

              Of course there aren't many out there. The EPA bought them all up!

            2. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

              I was at a gun show once years ago and there was a 9mm revolver for sale. I didn't *need* another gun, didn't need to spend the money on a gun at the time, but went back to that table like 5 times. Didn't buy it, but still kinda wish I had, just to have a backup wheel gun chambered in the round that I have piles of.

      3. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

        If you listen to his long form podcasts he has stated a more detailed plan. He has quite a few. Know he discussed it with Dave Smith as well as Tim Pool.

        Twitter and debates aren't the form to do what you ask.

    3. Minadin   2 years ago

      Half isn't enough.

  15. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    "The New York Times published a long investigative feature detailing Donald Trump's immigration policy plans for if he wins a second presidential term."

    Haven't read it., but does anyone actually believe that the New York Times politruks and commisars will be even remotely honest?
    How much you want to bet they conflate opposition to illegal immigration with legal, just like our Reasonistas and fifty-centers constantly do here for argument purposes.

    Also, why do you need investigative journalism to suss out what Trump loudly proclaims every time he's near a microphone? The man's incapable of keeping a secret.
    That article is going to be full of allusions to dogwhistles and secret agendas, isn't it?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      It is, but every point in the article makes me like trumps plan more and more. It has jems like "trump want to suspend and limit h1b visas because companies favor foreigners over Americans". Yes that is correct, look at Amazon's laying off of 10k Americans then applying to Biden for h1b

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      "...Haven’t read it., but does anyone actually believe that the New York Times politruks and commisars will be even remotely honest?..."

      Of course not, but Liz publishes it as if it were, so Liz has now more than qualified as yet one more TDS-addled shit pile.
      Fuck off and die, Liz.

    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      Haven’t read it., but does anyone actually believe that the New York Times politruks and commisars will be even remotely honest?

      Facts are subjective things. So if you don't like someone's opinion then it's perfectly reasonable to reject their facts and replace them with your own.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago (edited)

        Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

        That is what insecure tribalists like ML do. They reject the facts that come from outside the tribe, and they only believe the claims that come from inside the tribe, even if the claims are false. Because they lack the critical thinking skills to judge truth from fiction themselves, so the way they judge truth from fiction is from its source. NYT=false, Fox News=true

        1. Sevo   2 years ago

          Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          Project much, Jeffy?

        3. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

          Does anyone here give a fuck about fox news?

          1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

            Chem Jeff, sbp, and sarc do because they think the other commenters live and die by it

            1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD 2: Steampunk Boogaloo   2 years ago

              Fox News is a far bigger deal to leftist like Jeffy, Sarc and Pluggo than it is to anyone else. It’s always how inveterate leftists out themselves in an argument.

          2. R Mac   2 years ago

            All the lefties like Lying Jeffy bring up Fox. I don’t recall anyone else citing Fox.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              Very few seem to bring up Fox here unless it's a news story they have.

            2. JesseAz   2 years ago (edited)

              I’ve cited fox. But only for the factual information, not for opinions regarding said information as the NYT article does.

              The problem is the sites jeff wants us to exclusively use dont do that, were part of censorship, and blindly push DNC narratives.

              Note when Jeff criticizes a link he never discusses what is present. See just yesterday when he dismissed the actual numbers from NY Post. Every one of his criticism were answered in the article but he out of hand dismissed it.

              When shrike posts media matters or Bloomberg, most of us go into the article because we know shrike is lying. Or when Jeff posts links to articles praising dark Brandon.

              Jeff doesn't want you to see facts not acceptable to the left.

              1. R Mac   2 years ago

                Yes, I should have been more specific re Fox.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                not for opinions regarding said information as the NYT article does.

                Here Jesse reveals that he didn't even read the NYT article.

                The NYT article is a summarization of interviews with Trump campaign officials.

                Do you want to point out in the article what is "an opinion regarding said information"?

                See just yesterday when he dismissed the actual numbers from NY Post.

                That is not true. You lie again. I did not dismiss the actual numbers. I criticized the misrepresentation of the statistics.

                Every one of his criticism were answered in the article but he out of hand dismissed it.

                Again, not true. No one addressed my biggest criticism, which was the propriety of the abuse of statistics as a headline on an article. You defend using sloppy and dishonest statistics to push a narrative because you agree with the narrative, when we all know you would mercilessly condemn the practice were the other side to do the same thing.

                Jeff doesn’t want you to see facts not acceptable to the left.

                YOU don't want people to see facts PERIOD, which is why you continually post biased and slanted opinion pieces under the guise of 'facts'. Tell us again how you don't cite opinion pieces and then turn around and cite an opinion piece from The Federalist.

                1. R Mac   2 years ago

                  “you would mercilessly condemn the practice were the other side to do the same thing.”

                  Speaking of which, what are your thoughts on what Democrats are doing to immigrants right now in NYC?

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/migrants-refuse-to-stay-at-new-nyc-shelter-demand-new-accommodations/ar-AA1jR6TE

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    What, housing migrants in tent cities? I think I would need more information before I fire up my outrage meter. Is this a temporary solution or a permanent one? Did the city have advance notice of the bus arrival? Is this common practice? The article references a "right to shelter", does this right apply to these migrants, and does this tent city satisfy this right according to how it is interpreted in NYC?

                    1. R Mac   2 years ago

                      Haha, perfect, thanks.

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Lol.

                2. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

                  The NYT article is a summarization of interviews with Trump campaign officials.

                  Right, and people have never incorrectly or dishonestly summarized anything. In fact, summaries are always more accurate than direct quotes.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    Can you point out how this summary is incorrect and/or dishonest, if at all?

            3. mtrueman   2 years ago

              "I don’t recall anyone else citing Fox."

              It's a good website. Full access without the need to subscribe. It's better than most sources in that regard. I recommend you give it a try. CNN is another example.

          3. Minadin   2 years ago

            I wouldn't watch Fox News any more than I would watch MSNBC or CNN.

            1. mtrueman   2 years ago

              They have websites. They save a lot of time compared to TV news.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              Good for you. I have not watched Fox News in at least a decade. I have very occasionally tuned in to CNN, usually when held captive at an airport. And I cannot even remember the last time I have watched MSNBC. That is about it for me as well.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                You fit in an airline seat?

                1. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

                  Cargo hold

                  1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    One of those rack deals they use to haul tanks.

                2. Chumby   2 years ago

                  Only in a jumbo jet.

              2. LIBertrans   2 years ago

                CNN pays airports to use their screed as musak

        4. sarcasmic   2 years ago

          I think they have the skills. They just choose not to use them.

          It's a choice between accepting objective reality or being shunned by their political tribe, and for many people the former is perfectly reasonable. We are social animals after all.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

            Alright, I'll tell you what.

            You and your new friend Jeffy can go read the article (I'm betting neither of you clowns did) and then tell me how I'm wrong.

            Only then can you two retarded trolls accuse me of tribalism.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

              All I’m saying is that there’s a difference between facts and opinion, but that line has become blurred to the point where many people can’t tell the difference. So they reject facts based upon political opinion. You know, like declaring that facts from certain publications are all lies because you don’t like the politics of their editors.

              And I’m using an euphemistic “you” here unlike jeff, so don’t take what I say personally. Unless it’s applies to you. Then feel free.

              1. Marshal   2 years ago

                Amusingly now the guy who claims opinions are facts is lecturing others on to r difference between opinions and facts.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  I never made that claim. But you wouldn't have anything to argue against if you were forced to stick with the truth.

                  1. Marshal   2 years ago

                    Of course you did. You claimed the elements ML disputes are facts. The fact that you stated this without even knowing what they are is on you, no one else.

                    It’s also instructive because it reveals how you accept anything from the NYT as factual even though you don’t know the fact itself much less its provenance. So we see your accepting information on a tribalism basis in the very comment you complain about other doing so

                    That would be surprising from many people, but not from sarc who has literally never applied there same standard to others that he applies to himself or his tribe.

                    1. R Mac   2 years ago

                      He was in such a hurry to jump to his tribal buddy Lying Jeffy’s defense he didn’t bother determining if there were any actual facts to defend.

                    2. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                      Yeah. Sure. That’s what I meant when I said “And I’m using an euphemistic “you” here unlike jeff, so don’t take what I say personally.”

                      He figured it out. But he's also a lot brighter than either of you two.

                    3. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Reminder. Sarc and Jeff both rejected facts yesterday from a NY Post story regarding the number of illegals who applied for work permits.

                      Conce again sarc is projecting his own behaviors.

                    4. Marshal   2 years ago

                      He was in such a hurry to jump to his tribal buddy Lying Jeffy’s defense he didn’t bother determining if there were any actual facts to defend.

                      For his purpose the existence of facts was irrelevant so why waste the time?

                    5. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                      Correction:

                      But he’s also a lot brighter than either any of you two three.

                    6. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      Most alcoholics lie to themselves. You continue to do do. Why you'll fail at breaking your addiction.

                    7. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Yet more evidence right here that Jesse is a piece of human garbage.

                    8. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Most alcoholics lie to themselves. You continue to do do. Why you’ll fail at breaking your addiction.

                      I can see why so many people white knight for you. You truly are a class act. Like school at five in the morning.

                    9. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Yet more evidence right here that Jesse is a piece of human garbage.

                      Popular opinion would say otherwise.

                    10. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "Yet more evidence right here that Jesse is a piece of human garbage."

                      You want to hold a popularity contest between you and him to determine who everyone thinks the real is a piece of human garbage here is, Jeffy?

                      Tell you what, we'll give a hundred vote handicap to make it sporting.

                    11. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Look what other piece of human garbage showed up.

                    12. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      You aren't a hero because you finally chose to be an adult at age 60.

                    13. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      You can choose not to be an asshole for criticizing a guy for making a positive life choice. But since you are a walking douchebag, that is what you do.

                    14. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      You can choose not to be an asshole for criticizing a guy for making a positive life choice. But since you are a walking douchebag, that is what you do.

                      You must've looked in a mirror before you typed that, Jeffy, as it describes you rather well.

                    15. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "Look what other piece of human garbage showed up."

                      We'll do the vote with a hundred handicap with me too, Jeffy.

                      Seriously, name someone here aside from the pedo who doesn't think that your garbage. You're one of the most widely hated posters here, and yet you think you have the ability to cast shade.

                    16. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      I really don't care what you two pieces of human filth think of me.

                    17. R Mac   2 years ago

                      That’s a lie.

                    18. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      How can a pure opinion of my own state of mind be a lie?

                      Oh wait, it is because when you accuse me of lying, you are not serious, you are just name calling!

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  the guy who claims opinions are facts

                  That would be Jesse.

                  1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 years ago

                    I’d say you’re projecting, but you throw words around with such abandon, it’s useless to talk to you.

                  2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    Really digging in to that "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense, huh? Fifty-cents is too much.

              2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                And I’m using an euphemistic “you” here unlike jeff, so don’t take what I say personally. Unless it’s applies to you. Then feel free.

                Fair enough.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

              You and your new friend Jeffy can go read the article (I’m betting neither of you clowns did) and then tell me how I’m wrong.

              No, asshat. YOU read the article and then YOU make an evidence-based claim that YOU defend. Don't make everyone else jump like a dancing monkey for you. You do your own damn work. Fuck you, you lazy cunt.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                He cited the actual article, you lazy fat fuck. At least people will actually read through the links that shriek posts, because they always end up not saying what he claims they are.

                You can't even be bothered to do that kind of minimal effort.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                  He cited the actual article,

                  LOL, ML's very first phrase is:

                  Haven’t read it., but...

          2. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Again. Just yesterday you and Jeff did that. Lol.

        5. Marshal   2 years ago

          Notice how Jeffry (and sarc) underhandedly convert NYT opinions into facts to justify attacking others. Why if it weren’t for this they might have to deal with the substance of the NYT characterizations. Much better to simply attack the right in a way that focuses scrutiny away from the NYT. Of course this reveals their tribe and shows they are guilty of exactly what they attack others for.

          Bonus points to Jeffey though since he complained about people doing exactly this just yesterday.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            You've got that backasswards. I'm pointing out that many people on the right, like you for example, reject facts because you don't like the opinion of the source.

            1. R Mac   2 years ago

              What facts are you talking about?

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                The usual: ideas!

              2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Whenever I see the NYT reference on this forum, everything they say is rejected as being biased. Doesn't matter what it is.

                1. R Mac   2 years ago

                  What facts are you talking about?

                2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  Couldn't be because the NYT has a very long history of doing exactly that, sarc, now could it?

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                    Can you separate opinion from fact? Editorials from news? Apples from oranges?

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      How about whiskey from bourbon?

                    2. Marshal   2 years ago

                      Again we see sarc demanding others do what he does not.

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Champagne from sparkling wine?

                    4. Minadin   2 years ago

                      What's the factual difference between champagne and sparkling wine?

                    5. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      The difference between the two is the same as the difference between whiskey and bourbon: where it was produced.

                    6. R Mac   2 years ago

                      What facts sarc?

                    7. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                      How about evidence of Holodomor from stalinist propoganda?

                    8. Minadin   2 years ago

                      The difference between the two is the same as the difference between whiskey and bourbon: where it was produced."

                      Well, that's factually inaccurate. Bourbon is a type (subset) of whisky (genre). There are other requirements to call a spirit 'bourbon' besides the location of the distillery. You can make a rye whisky all day long in Kentucky if you like, but you could never call it bourbon.

                    9. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                      The difference between Palestinians blowing up their own hospital (parking lot), and Hamas propoganda? While stealth-changing the headline multiple times.

                3. Marshal   2 years ago

                  Which is no different than asserting everything in it is factual because it comes from the NYT. Revealingly though sarc only objects to one and openly engages in the other. He then pretends only others’ tribalism matters. Which is true for him, but also reveals which tribe he’s in.

                4. JFree   2 years ago

                  Whenever I see the NYT referenced, I assume they are lying through their teeth. Maybe the Reason authors pay for NYT access, but there ain't no way commenters here pay for access (or are able to read beyond headlines).

                  As an aside - does anyone know how to eliminate media sources from internet searches/feeds?

            2. Marshal   2 years ago

              It’s amusing you think that others doing so proves you aren’t. But to inking just isn’t your strong suit is it.

              Also, you omitted to give a single example of a fact I supposedly won’t accept. But then again you’ve never cared much whether your own assertions contain any evidence at all much less proof. Standards are for other people. Good people like you just say anything.

            3. JesseAz   2 years ago

              Reminder. Sarc can proclaim anyone he wants as being on the right. But you are not allowed to proclaim him on the left.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

            Notice how Jeffry (and sarc) underhandedly convert NYT opinions into facts to justify attacking others.

            What are the NYT opinions that have been allegedly converted into facts?

        6. Zeb   2 years ago

          There is a (largely deserved) bias against the NYT. I've never observed this supposed bias towards Fox News, though.

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            Lying Jeffy brought Fox up dishonestly. It’s what he does.

          2. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            There is a (largely deserved) bias against the NYT.

            Their opinion pieces have a definite slant. But that doesn't mean their news is wrong.

            I’ve never observed this supposed bias towards Fox News, though.

            On the rare occasions that I watch cable and flip to FOX News, I often seen opinion being portrayed as fact.

            1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

              "Their opinion pieces have a definite slant. But that doesn’t mean their news is wrong."

              Their news has the same slant. They are Russia Hoax truthers. They are fully supported every Fauci/CDC lie. The "slant" infects every part of their coverage, and they act as a de facto propaganda wing of the DNC. They selectively leak shit all the time from CIA/FBI that is designed to further their propaganda. They are firmly held by the dem establishment.

              Their news is wrong and completely biased...it just happens to be a tiny bit less blatant than their opinion section

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                Same might be said about NPR. But when they report actual news, you know like facts and stuff, then they tend to do a pretty good job. All without commercials for gold coins and boner pills.

                1. JesseAz   2 years ago

                  Why didn't you call out jeff for criticizing fox News. Why did you only criticize the people pointing out the NYT bias? Why did you jump in to defend jeff yesterday instead of reading the facts in the NY Post article?

                  1. R Mac   2 years ago

                    He’s very tribalistic.

                2. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

                  "But when they report actual news, you know like facts and stuff, then they tend to do a pretty good job."

                  ...no, they dont. Plenty of evidence to the contrary

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    You're cherry-picking politically charged subjects.

                    I'm talking run of the mill national and international news.

                    1. Marshal   2 years ago

                      Note the subject is Trump. Sarc invokes this supposedly superior news reliability and criticizes others for “cherry picking” political stories as if that’s not the relevant comparative population in this case. The result is that he tries to apply the apolitical performance to political, plus concludes that other people are wrong for not doing so.

                      He can’t keep anything straight. This is what happens when people decide the conclusion first and then justify their answer. Tribalism running amuck.

                    2. JesseAz   2 years ago

                      He is stating a known fact. See the russia hoax. It was printed as straight news. See just last month about the Gaza hospital bombing. It was reported as straight news.

                  2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                    Their science coverage is as bad, if not worse than their political coverage. Basically, almost every science article I've read from the NYT contain at least one major, often elementary, scientific mistake. They tend to push Scientism as science.

                    1. soldiermedic76   2 years ago

                      And don't even mention their firearms coverage. And generally they get their defense coverage wrong too, especially in regards to military policies regulations and laws.
                      Just as an aside on defense coverage, the standard for loading a round in an Abrams (removing it from storage, transferring to the breach, closing the breach and prepping it for firing) for males, per my 19K son, who is currently assigned as an assistant gunner/loader on an Abrams, is less than four seconds to graduate AIT. For a female, it's <7 seconds. In armor warfare, generally survival is based on who acquires the target first, fires first and fires faster (e.g. loads faster). So the femal standard is actually placing their crews at greater risk.

                    2. soldiermedic76   2 years ago (edited)

                      An Abrams round weighs anywhere from 65 pounds for a training sabot to nearly a 100 pounds. Incidentally he also stated the females in his AIT struggled to charge the M-2 (which requires a double charging).

                3. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

                  "New Data Links Pandemic’s Origins to Raccoon Dogs at Wuhan Market"

                  This from the serious reporter who covers Coronavirus...in fucking 2023.

                  Natural origin / wet market has been prog cope, with anyone that has 2 brain cells or more knowing it came from Wuhan Lab. But NYT in the year fucking 2023 still pushing propaganda regardless.

                  Their opinion pieces are trash. And their "news" is trash also.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                    You're proving my point. *shrug*

                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    But here is the thing. This story actually came from an AP story here:

                    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-origins-data-links-pandemic-raccoon-dogs-wuhan-market-rcna75437

                    and they are reporting on the results of a new study at the time which showed the above findings.

                    They are not stating as definitive fact that the virus came from raccoon dogs. They are reporting what this team of international scientists had recently found.

                    The article quotes the WHO Director-General as saying:

                    “These data do not provide a definitive answer to how the pandemic began, but every piece of data is important to moving us closer to that answer,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus at a Friday press briefing.

                    And further down in the article, it says:

                    The researchers say their analysis is the first solid indication that there may have been wildlife infected with the coronavirus at the market. Some of the samples with raccoon dog DNA were collected from a stall that tested positive for Covid-19 and was known to be involved in the wildlife trade, Goldstein said.

                    But it is also possible that humans might have first brought the virus to the market and infected the raccoon dogs, or that infected humans happened to leave traces of the virus near the animals.

                    The article is most definitely NOT propaganda. It is not making any definite assertion about the origin of the virus. It is informing the reader of the result of a new study and it is including all sorts of caveats along the lines of "this new study is not the final word and we are still not sure, it still may have come from the lab".

                    In your world, what should a responsible journalist have done? Scientists do this study and have this new finding that the virus may have come from racoon dogs, and you think a responsible journalist should have done... what, suppressed the story?

                    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

                      “…. informing the reader of the results of a new study….”

                      Jesus titty fucking Christ, Jeff. The “new study” IS the propaganda, you fucking moron.

                      You know this. Just stop.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      It is? How do you know that?

                      And how is a responsible reporter supposed to report new findings like this to the world - conceal findings like this because the reporter thinks it's propaganda and that the public should be protected from hearing about it? Is that what you are saying here?

                4. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                  "But when they report actual news, you know like facts and stuff, then they tend to do a pretty good job."

                  Duranty re: famine in ukraine
                  Gaza hospital
                  Russia collusion
                  1619 project

                  Do these examples tend to undermine your statement? Or did the facts change in these cases?

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    Russia collusion

                    Give me an example, from the NY Times, of a *news* article about the Trump-Russia controversy that is *factually* wrong based on the information known *at the time*.

                    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                      So I see you're going with the "facts changed" dodge.

                      Is the same true of the other three examples?

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                      Could you just answer my question?

                      Could you provide an example from the NY Times of a *news* article about the Trump-Russia controversy that is *factually* wrong based on the information known *at the time*?

                      Because if the answer is “no”, then it is unfair to accuse them of lying on the matter when it comes to their *news* reporting, isn’t it?

                    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                      You didn't answer mine.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      You dodged my question because you cannot answer it. Is it because you cannot find an example from the NY Times, of a *news* article about the Trump-Russia controversy that is *factually* wrong based on the information known *at the time*?

                      I am getting the distinct impression that you don't read the NY Times, yet you remain very sure about what it says because you listen to what right-wing media tells you that the NY Times says.

                    5. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                      I don't read the NY times because of their record of lying - see the four examples I gave above; of which you focused on only one.

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                      If their record of lying is so extensive and easy to document, then you should have no problem answering my question.

                      Here, let me help you out.

                      I don't think you can find a news article from the NY Times that was factually incorrect based on information that was known at the time.

                      So why don't you find a news article that you think is 'unfair' on some level and cite some specific complaint about it.

                    7. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                      1930s Famine in Ukraine - NYT is politically aligned with Stalin, so they accept Stalin's story, and propagandize on his behalf.

                      Gaza hospital - NYT is politically aligned with Hamas and against Israel, so they accepted Hamas' story, and cover for them.

                      Russia collusion - NYT is politically opposed to Trump, so they take the story at face value, attacking trump.

                      1619 project - NYT is politically opposed to the founders of the US, so they take the story at face value.

                      Biden laptop - NYT is politically aligned with Biden, so they accept Biden's story, and cover for him.

                      It's pretty obvious slanted reporting.

                    8. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                      The contention by sarc was that, yeah sure the NYT's opinions are leftist, but their pure factual reporting is pretty good. I'm providing (pretty obvious) examples where their reporting of facts is slanted left as well.

                    9. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

                      based on the information known *at the time*.

                      It wasn't "information known," it was total bullshit from intel agents and hacks like John Brennan that they uncritically promoted due to partisan bias.

                    10. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      I’m providing (pretty obvious) examples where their reporting of facts is slanted left as well.

                      Well, now you are moving the goalposts. First you said that they were lying. But now you have backed off, and now you claim merely that their reporting is "slanted left".

                      And you haven't provided any examples, only broad-brush generalizations (and rather obnoxious ones at that - 'politically aligned with Hamas'? really?)

                      So if you are willing to back off of your original assertion that their reporting on the Trump-Russia controversy was full of LYING, and instead that it was 'slanted to the left', then fine, I think that is a much more defensible statement.

                      It would be much more helpful to have concrete examples, however, upon which to base these discussions. Can you provide a specific example?

                    11. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                      Their slanting includes lies. Repeating someone else's lies (Stalin's, Hamas's, the FBI's, Clinton campaign's, etc), and passing it off uncritically as fact counts as lying.

                    12. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                      It's not obnoxious to point out that the NYT, and the left more broadly is politically aligned with Hamas. They are both anti-Israel and anti-American. Which side do you see chanting from the river to the sea? Right or left? True the NYT is not so blatant about it, but they are on the same side of the aisle. And their reporting is biased to trust Hamas, which is known for lying about how they use hospitals and civilians as human shields.

                    13. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                      Can you provide an example of their reporting which was skeptical of Stalin's claims in the 30's? They accepted a pulitzer prize for this one, and have never renounced it.

                      Or skeptical of any of Hamas's claims?

                      Or skeptical of the russia collusion story?

                      Or skeptical of the rewriting of history in the 1619 project?

                    14. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 years ago

                      So, Bert is supposed to guess at what the NYT knew at any given moment?

                      You really are spinning out, Jeff. Take another break.

                    15. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Oh FFS. I am not going to go back 90 years. Whoever was responsible for the editorial decisions of the NY Times 90 years ago is long dead.

                      And I'm not going to accept your sound bites that you picked up from right-wing talk radio. You have to provide specifics backed by specific evidence. Maybe in your circle of friends you can say "New York Times is anti-American!" and everyone just nods along, but that does not work with me. You have to provide EVIDENCE for your claims.

                      The only evidence that I have asked from you is that you provide one single news story from them about the Trump-Russia controversy that was factually incorrect based on the information known at the time. And you can't do it. All you can do is peddle in these broad generalities.

                      If you want me to take you seriously, then you have to argue in the realm of facts and reason and logic.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                They are Russia Hoax truthers.

                So the NYT in Fall 2016 should have known everything that would transpire in the future with regards to the Trump-Russia story before reporting on it. Got it.

                1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                  Should they have at least been skeptical?

                2. R Mac   2 years ago

                  Did they question it at all or treat it as true?

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                    Do you have an example of a *news* article from the NY Times where they stated *as fact* that Trump colluded with Russia?

                    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                      They should be skeptical of any party-line story like that. And perhaps even do some investigative journalism, and maybe, just maybe even make an attempt at objectivity.

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      Will these suffice?

                      https://www.nytimes.com/spotlight/trump-russia

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Okay?
                      Now do you think you could answer my question?
                      Which article did you have in mind?

                    4. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      It's more like articles, not article, Jeffy.

                    5. R Mac   2 years ago

                      Holy shit Lying Jeffy, this dishonest even for you.

                      “The New York Times revealed the Trump team’s connections with the Russians and attempts to sway the F.B.I. director, James Comey. The articles, which won the 2018 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting, triggered the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel.”

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      But those are true statements. How are they not?

                    7. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago (edited)

                      The entire thrust of their reporting was proven false on that issue.

                      Why can’t they show some skepticism in their reporting on such an issue? They showed skepticism about the Biden laptop, for example.

                      I’m contending that their skepticism, and lack thereof, varies by the politics of the people involved.

                    8. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      “The New York Times revealed the Trump team’s connections with the Russians and attempts to sway the F.B.I. director, James Comey. The articles, which won the 2018 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting, triggered the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel.”

                      chemjeff radical individualist 2 hours ago
                      But those are true statements. How are they not?

                      No, dumbass, they are not. The only true part of it is that "The articles, which won the 2018 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting, triggered the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel." That's it. The other part is wholly untrue. It's utter bunk and bullshit, Jeffy.

                    9. R Mac   2 years ago

                      Amazing.

                    10. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Carter Page really did have ties with the Russian oil company.
                      Paul Manafort really did work for the pro-Russian party in Ukraine.
                      Don Jr. really did meet with the Russians at Trump Tower.
                      These things really did happen. They were not hoaxes.
                      So yes, there were connections between the Trump team and the Russians.
                      They just didn't rise to the level of "collusion".

                    11. DesigNate   2 years ago (edited)

                      Y’all are forgetting the first rule of “radical individualism” is to always be skeptical of the means and motives or anyone to the right of FDR.

                    12. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Around here, "radical individualism" means thinking independently of the right-wing hive mind collective.

                    13. DesigNate   2 years ago

                      Were you being intentionally collectivist there?

                    14. R Mac   2 years ago

                      Haha Lying Jeffy, that was a nice own goal.

                    15. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "Y’all are forgetting the first rule of “radical individualism” is to always be skeptical of the means and motives or anyone to the right of FDR."

                      I always assumed collectivistjeff adopted "individualist" for the sake of irony.

                    16. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "So yes, there were connections between the Trump team and the Russians."

                      Like what?

                    17. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Were you being intentionally collectivist there?

                      Why yes I was, in using a metaphor to describe a fictitious entity.

                      Were you being intentionally an asshole trying to play gotcha games while adding nothing of substance to the conversation?

                    18. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

                      “So yes, there were connections between the Trump team and the Russians.”

                      Like what?

                      Oh, look, the human turd is sealioning.

                    19. DesigNate   2 years ago (edited)

                      I’m not intentionally an asshole, usually, though I fully admit to my assholishness.

                      (edit: html tag)

                    20. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

                      Hey, fuckhead, stop being an asshole.

                      🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

          3. Chumby   2 years ago

            Jayson Blair resembles that remark.

        7. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          They reject the facts that come from outside the tribe, and they only believe the claims that come from inside the tribe, even if the claims are false.

          Sort of like chemtard radical deathfat taking Oberlin's side when they defamed Gibson's Bakery.

        8. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          "That is what insecure tribalists like ML do. They reject the facts that come from outside the tribe, and they only believe the claims that come from inside the tribe... NYT=false, Fox News=true"

          This is why we all call you Lying Jeffy.

          1. I never watch Fox news. It isn't available up here even if I wanted too.
          2. I go out of my way to avoid linking to news published on Fox because I know you, Tony and Shrike always use the hosting site to attack the information.
          3. Wherever possible I have always posted links to the original sources rather than the news reports, like the original judgments, tweets, pollsters, etc. I know that you know this because you're always trying to lawyer weird interpretations to fit you're narratives.

          This is why everyone hates you, Jeff.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

            lol you literally just did the thing you claim you don’t do. You rejected an article from the NY Times after proudly declaring you didn’t read it solely because it came from the NY Times. you are the liar.

            And more signs of your insecurity: you quite often say "we all" do this or that. Who gave you the license to speak for the whole tribe? It is your way of signaling to the tribe to renew your membership in good standing. That you keep doing it over and over again signifies that you think your standing is weak and you have to keep proving yourself to the tribe over and over.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago (edited)

            you’re always trying to lawyer weird interpretations to fit you’re narratives.

            this is pure projection on your part.

            and the word is your before "narratives". learn to spell, dumbshit.

      3. JesseAz   2 years ago

        Like you and Jeff did just yesterday? Lol.

        The funny thing about Trump statements is you don't need the NYT opinion of those statements. The primary sources are available. So getting your source material from someone who hates Trump is sophomoric.

    4. Jerry B.   2 years ago

      Don't feel like paying the Times to read their stuff, since I can generally find the same in the Washington Post, which I only take so I can insult the Liberal commenters.

    5. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Haven’t read it., but does anyone actually believe that the New York Times politruks and commisars will be even remotely honest?

      Their allegations are simultaneously boy who cried wolf and superficially incredible.

      Remember Trump's last term when he used so many trains and cattle cars to deport people that we couldn't move goods out of the port of LA? No, wait, that's not right... he deported fewer people than the Obama/Biden Admin and we still locked down the borders tighter than even Trump is currently proposing because the NYT is a bought-and-sold propaganda mouthpiece openly committed to making their readership as retarded as toadstools by keeping them in the dark and fed on shit).

    6. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      Just to point out:

      In this huge meandering discussion, I asked several times for a citation to a *specific* *news* article from the NY Times which showed errors in factual reporting, that were known to be errors *at the time* of the reporting.

      And not a single person could provide a citation.

      All they could do is offer talk radio soundbites about how it was leftwing propaganda or somesuch.

      In fact, only one person could offer even one citation to any NY Times article (except for the one cited in the Roundup, of course), but even then, the person couldn't even demonstrate that it was wrong, their complaint was that it was 'propaganda'. It wasn't, it was simply presenting a scientific result that the person didn't like.

      There were actually PLENTY of ways that people could have complained about NY Times articles. They could have complained about how they lie by omission, by leaving out context which provides for a fuller understanding of a story. They could have complained about how they choose to frame a story, either in sensationalistic or deceptive terms, to push a certain narrative. And of course they would have had to provide specific examples to bolster their case.

      But instead it was just soundbite level griping, and the tired old 'hurr durr they were buddies with Stalin in the 30s'. Guess what, everyone responsible for what the NY Times did in the 1930s is dead. Get over it.

      1. VinniUSMC   2 years ago

        No new goalposts

  16. Zeb   2 years ago

    Vivek's plans may be a bit overly simplistic, but I appreciate someone at least trying to find ways to drastically shrink the size and scope of government.

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      he says other peoples' quiet parts out loud.

    2. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Does an arbitrary distinction made out of desperation count as a "rational basis"?

  17. Fist of Etiquette   2 years ago

    I might expect this from an Oberlin college student, but from the world opinions editor...

    Jezebel has spilt the banks...

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago (edited)

      Well, the Emmet Till story is correct…and should have been all the more reason for news media to approach #MeToo allegations with the same rationality as all claims of criminality.

      Listen to everybody, but believe nothing without evidence.

    2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      "exclusion of black women from feminist movements"

      probably the biggest boon white women have given to black women to be honest.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Intersectionality basically came about because a bunch of black dyke academics were pissed that their black dykeness wasn't being put front and center when feminism turbocharged in the 70s.

    3. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

      White women are lucky that we are just calling them "Karen's". And not calling for revenge.

      Somewhat humorous that the silly bitch that wrote this is named Karen herself.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Yep. Define irony...

  18. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

    Was Helen of Troy a white woman?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      Probably darker than Helen miran

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        She was a white Russian.

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      If Homer's story comes from earlier Minoan Greek sources she would have looked like a Mediterranean woman today, dark hair and eyes and olive skin.
      If it comes from Indo-European Mycenaean sources she could have been quite fair.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        So skin color is the most important thing, not that the 1000 ships her face launched were ships of war?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          I was just answering the question. Personally I think women with Mediterranean phenotypes can look ridiculously hot.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            Indeed. Hotness comes in all shades. It is more a matter of comportment than anything.

  19. Sevo   2 years ago

    "...Over the weekend, The New York Times published a long investigative feature detailing Donald Trump's immigration policy plans for if he wins a second presidential term..."

    We can be sure of two things here:
    1) The NYT's reporting is 'honest'.
    2) The actions will be taken if he wins and not be merely election promises.
    Sarc aside, we *can* be sure that Liz is but one more TDS-addled shit pile. Fuck off and die, Liz; tired of that bullshit.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Build that wall.

  20. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

    The Ukrainians attacked a nato ally, isn't here something in the nato charter about that?

    1. R Mac   2 years ago

      Except Ukraine didn’t actually do it, we did. They’re just starting the process of throwing Zelenskyy under the bus.

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        are there Ukrainian talk shows to discuss who will be swept into Z's seat?

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          Ukrainian talk shows, Victoria Nuland phone calls, potato pototo.

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      Targeted infrastructure, of an ally, in peacetime. Whether it was Zelensky, Biden, or both, the NATO Charter and the Geneva Convention have many, many things to say about it.

    3. Chumby   2 years ago

      I liked that narrative that it was s couple pf drunk fisherman that had done that. Felt as plausible as the wet market covid narrative.

    4. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Putin's Irregular Army doesn't seem to have solidified the narrative on this development, yet. Interesting.

  21. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    "Trump's horrible immigration plans"

    I heard he's gonna build a wall. Right after he drains the swamp.

    1. Sevo   2 years ago

      He did more to drain the swamp than any POTUS in a century, but TDS-addled shit piles like you are blind to that.
      Fuck off and die, asshole.

      1. damikesc   2 years ago

        Technically, he did not do a lot. He might this time, but he did not in 2016-2020.

        He had PLANS to do it, but there was not much firing of people nor reduction in spending on agencies.

        1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

          Not do alot and still the most are not mutually exclusive, the previous admin did everything they could to expand gov, trump shrunk employee ment, and regulation

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          "Regulations
          The growth of federal regulation slowed to a crawl under Trump.
          The number of restrictive words and phrases (such as “shall,” “prohibited” or “may not”) contained in the Code of Federal Regulations stayed below 1.08 million for most of 2019— a little below where it was when Trump took office. But as of the day he left office, the count had crept up to just under 1.09 million — an increase of 10,141 (or 0.9%) since Trump’s inauguration.
          That small increase during Trump’s four years is a big departure from the past, when restrictions grew 12.3% during Bush’s eight years and by 12.5% during Obama’s eight years, according to annual figures from the QuantGov tracking project at George Mason University’s Mercatus Center.
          That slowdown under Trump may be temporary, however.
          In what it called “the largest deregulatory initiative of this administration,” the Trump administration issued a final rule that nullified Obama-era fuel economy standards for new cars and light trucks. Trump’s rule requires them to maintain an average efficiency of 40.4 miles per gallon by model year 2025, down from the 46.7 mpg set under Obama. But now the Biden administration is proposing new rules that it estimates will result in average efficiency of 48 mpg by model year 2026."
          https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/#Regulations

          1. damikesc   2 years ago

            Yes, he reduced regulations.

            He did not fire anybody. He did not reign in spending. He did not work to end any agencies.

            He did more than anybody else has done. But, he also did not do much.

            1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

              But, he also did not do much.

              Be careful. That's borderline blasphemy around here.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                I think damikesc will find much agreement here with that statement. Just because we don't have TDS doesn't mean you don't have TDS.

                1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                  The only TDS I see is people flying off the handle when their god emperor is maligned.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                    Cite?

                    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago (edited)

                      Open your eyes. Jeez. Some things are self evident.

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      I have. How about you taking the blinders off?

                    3. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                      Which one of us calls people names when they insult Trump? I'll give you a clue: it's not me.

                    4. Sevo   2 years ago

                      Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.

                    5. R Mac   2 years ago

                      Well, it’s been an hour since damikesc made his comment and nobody’s attacked him sarc. But we know you’ll ignore this FACT and make the same bald assertion again.

                    6. R Mac   2 years ago

                      Three hours now, still no attack on damikesc.

                      Hey sarc, time to retire this talking point, maybe?

                    7. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      Nah. He'll be back with it even in spite of the evidence.

              2. DesigNate   2 years ago

                You know that's not true right? I mean, even jesse and ML have criticized Trump.

            2. Sevo   2 years ago

              I repeat: He did better than any POTUS in the last hundred years. Sorry if that doesn't meet with your approval; I'm certain you find 'both sides' the same.

            3. Zeb   2 years ago

              I suppose "most libertarian president (since Coolidge)" might be accurate technically. But that's such a low bar, he's still firmly in the "not libertarian" category.

              1. Sevo   2 years ago

                So 'both sides'?

                1. Zeb   2 years ago

                  I'd still rather have Trump, but he was hardly a rousing success in transforming or shrinking government. And he fucked up big time on covid stuff.
                  He put the brakes on new regulations a bit, and didn't get us into any new wars, which are both great.

              2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

                I'd say anyone who signed their name to the Cares Act automatically removed themselves from the "most libertarian" of anything.

                1. Sevo   2 years ago

                  Hell, he made more than one mistake, and I'll be more than happy to watch as you await the 2nd coming.
                  Knock, knock, reality calling!

                  1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

                    A mistake? 6 trillion dollars wasted on shutting down the economy over covid is a fucking disaster.

                    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      Biggest catastrophe since the Civil War, probably leading to repercussions as great or greater than the depression and WW2.

                    2. DesigNate   2 years ago

                      Unfortunately, we'll never know if Republicans would have done the same thing the Democrats always do: Take that supposedly one time spending and make it the base line.

                    3. Chumby   2 years ago

                      The relief checks was a mistake. States that shutdown should have owned their choices.

    2. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago

      Name an American politician the US government has feared more, aside from the ones they had shot in the 60’s.

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        Jefferson Davis (D)

  22. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

    Black woman calling for revenge on white women? What could possibly go wrong?

    Armed white husbands.

    1. Anomalous   2 years ago

      TikTok is full of black women telling white people what they can and cannot say.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        And the world is full of non-TikTok-ers who don't give a shit what any TikTok-ers say they can and cannot say. Say! I can't believe I said that!
        🙂
        😉

    2. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      Critical Race Theory will guarantee an Oct 7th event in the US if we let it continue.

  23. Illocust   2 years ago

    The Washington Post tweet makes perfect sense. It's putting left leaning white women in notice that they are lower on the progressive stack than the author and need to be deferential to her.

  24. Chumby   2 years ago

    Wonder is Israel had a mole that shared with them the info regarding the tunnels.

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      Couldn't be that rare of knowledge if Hamas released hostages to discuss conditions in said tunnels.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      Not seeing this as difficult. Mossad likely has many agents planted in Arab organizations.

      1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

        Well they all missed October 7th. Maybe not so easy.

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      The joke is that moles are underground tunneling animals. People missed the sarcasm, chumbys been gone too long

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        Thank you for volenteering the explanation.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          At least we didn't have to weasel it out.

        2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          Quit playing 'possum with us and don't be a stranger.
          🙂
          😉

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Chumby was so subtle he got past even me with that one...like he was right beneath our feet.
        🙂
        😉

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          You had to borrow that one, didn't you?

          1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

            More like I had to burrow for it. I haven't had my coffee.
            🙂
            😉

            1. Dillinger   2 years ago

              speaking of Burrow, Joe is awful.

    4. Don't look at me!   2 years ago

      A mole in a tunnel?
      That would be funny!

    5. Ajsloss   2 years ago

      Licensed to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. A man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        "I smell varmint poontang. And the only good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang, I think."

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        He's gonna make them gophers receive...Total Consciousness! So he's got that going for him....which is nice!
        🙂
        😉

    6. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Israel couldn't have lived as long as it has without sympathetic Arab and Iranian Intel and operatives. Most Arabs on the Israeli side are fiercely loyal members of the Druze religion.

      And you just know that when Iran got one of it's Uranium centrifuges blew up with explosives planted a decade earlier, that was a joint effort of both the Mossad and Iranians who hate the Mullahs and Ayatollahs.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Muslims, including Bedouins, make up 82% of the entire Arab population of Israel. 9% of Israeli Arabs are Druze, and 9% Christians.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          I meant to clarify that many Arabs in Intel are Druze.

          But yes, other Arab citizens of Israel of all creeds and none are loyal to Israel too. They know which side their falafel is buttered on.
          🙂
          😉

          1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

            You mean 'tahini'ed' - they use very little butter. 🙂

            1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

              I stand corrected. Thanks.

    7. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

      Maybe an underground network of spies.

  25. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

    "Hamas Tunnels Under Hospitals"

    Reason reports this as if it's newly discovered information, and not been known for many years, decades even.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

      Wait till they learn that they use hospitals as torture centers and weapons caches

  26. Rev Arthur L kuckland   2 years ago

    Trump wants to use the US military to defend the US? What madness is that?!

    1. Miss Ann Thrope   2 years ago (edited)

      Damn! Next thing he’ll want is for Europe to payfor its own defense. Reprehensible…

  27. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Speaking the truth about the corporate press - Pluggo most hurt.

    https://thefederalist.com/2023/11/09/vivek-won-the-gop-debate-by-trashing-nbc-moderator-for-spreading-the-russia-collusion-hoax/

    Apart from the personal insults and name-calling, the Republican primary debate last night was, to no one’s surprise, mostly a dud. Nikki Haley called Vivek Ramaswamy “scum” when he brought up her daughter’s use of TikTok. Ramaswamy called Haley and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis “Dick Cheney in three-inch heels,” and the rest was a bunch of noise from people who will never be president.

    The one standout moment, though, and perhaps the most important thing to happen on network news in a long time, was when Ramaswamy denounced corporate media for constantly lying to the American people and specifically called out NBC News debate moderator Kristen Welker to her face for spreading the Russia-collusion hoax.

    “Kristen I’m gonna use this time — because this is actually about you and the media and the corrupt media establishment — to ask you about the Trump-Russia collusion hoax that you pushed on this network for years. Was that real, or was that Hillary Clinton made-up disinformation? Answer the question, go.”

    “Think about who’s moderating this debate. This should be Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, and Elon Musk. We’d have ten times the viewership, asking questions that GOP primary voters actually care about and bring in more people to our party. You think the Democrats — I mean we’ve got Kristen Welker here — you think the Democrats would actually hire Greg Gutfeld to host a Democratic debate?”

    Two months before Special Counsel Robert Mueller released his report confirming what everyone already knew, that the idea Trump was a Kremlin agent was a conspiracy theory with no basis in fact, Welker asked Trump, “Mr. President, yes or no. Have you or are you now — have you ever worked for Russia? Yes or no?”

    That’s the kind of “journalism” Welker peddles. While covering the Trump administration, wrote Justice, Welker “accused the president of launching his career on birtherism, criticized the president for fanning the flames of the culture wars, and asked then-White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders repeatedly whether she could guarantee the president had never used the ‘N-word.’”

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

      Think about who’s moderating this debate. This should be Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, and Elon Musk.

      Because that's how debates ought to work - when the moderators are from the same tribe and only deliver softball questions that won't make the audience mad.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        And yet, that exactly how the DNC debates work, Lying Jeffy.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          I like how the fat fuck thinks Rogan and Musk are on the same team as Carlson, simply because they aren't going along with the left-liberal consensus that he supposedly doesn't support in any way whatsoever. Next he'll be telling us that Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss are alt-right.

          LOL. LMAO, even.

          1. R Mac   2 years ago

            They are all pro free speech, which makes them on the other side of Jeffy and his tribe.

        2. Chumby   2 years ago

          Would the candidates have crib sheets with the pre-selected questions and staff provided answers on them including the face and name of the person asking them?

      2. Nobartium   2 years ago

        It's a primary debate.

        They should be on the same side.

      3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Looks like Jeff is pretending that the Primary and General Election debates are the same thing.

      4. R Mac   2 years ago

        The Republican primary debate shouldn’t focus on the issues republican primary voters find important, it should focus on what the corporate press in Lying Jeffy’s tribe find important.

      5. Marshal   2 years ago

        Consider the chances of Jeffey saying this about a Dem debate.

        That would be 0.0.

        What does it mean that a circumstance that exists everywhere is only important enough to comment on when it results in criticism of a specific team?

      6. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 years ago

        Joe Rogan is a liberal, not a conservative by his own words and beliefs. Elon has voted solidly Dem until very recently. Only Tucker can be said to be a solid conservative and he has many heterodoxical views.

  28. chemjeff radical individualist   2 years ago

    From the NY Times article:

    And because of the magnitude of arrests and deportations being contemplated, they plan to build “vast holding facilities that would function as staging centers” for immigrants as their cases progress and they wait to be flown to other countries.

    Mr. Miller said the new camps would likely be built “on open land in Texas near the border.”

    They're not even hiding their plans.

    1. damikesc   2 years ago

      We've imported 10M illegals in just 3 years.

      The plans SHOULD be "immigration stops. Completely. Period"

    2. Nobartium   2 years ago

      I see no problem here.

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      I'm failing to see what the problem is. Are you trying to conflate legal and illegal immigration again?

      1. R Mac   2 years ago

        One of the many different ways Lying Jeffy is dishonest.

      2. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

        Every doctrinaire democrat appears pathologically incapable of separating the two issues in their mind.

    4. Marshal   2 years ago

      Much like Obama didn’t hide his. The key difference though is that you didn’t care when Obama built holding facilities.

      Can anyone help crack this perplexing puzzle of why Jeffey didn’t care then about something he now portrays as a massive problem?

      1. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

        He's a lying sack of shit? = I cracked the perplexing puzzle...

  29. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Disappointing exactly zero people, Tim Scott has made the decision to suspend his presidential campaign.

    Down-Low Bro No Mo.

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Call him a "lawn-jockey" again, one last time.

    2. Sevo   2 years ago

      turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
      turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit, a TDS-addled asshole and a pederast besides.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      So much homophobia and racism in one little comment.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        The only things Pluggo's missing are misogyny and pedophilia.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          He’s not missing one of those. He’s got binders of kids.

    4. DesigNate   2 years ago

      Mmm, taste the Racism AND the homophobia.

  30. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Blaming the media and Americans for being in a rotten mood.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/why-are-americans-such-rotten-mood-biden-blames-media

    Biden says the economy is great. The media, even WSJ articles, praise the economy. But polls show Biden is in trouble. What’s going on?

    Despite the Media whitewashing every bit of bad news about the president, and numerous reports in unexpected places about how great the economy is, President Biden blames the media for the US’s sour mood.

    People do not believe Bidenomics is working. Inflation is moderating, but prices are still going up.

    I repeat the core key theme for something like two years now. People keep telling me rents are falling, I keep doubting.

    All these “rents are falling” projections have been based on the price of new leases, but existing leases, vastly more important, keep rising.

    Renters with no place to charge a car and no means to afford one anyway are rightfully upset at Biden’s energy policies.

    Even unions are upset at Biden for cramming EVs down everyone’s throats. The Unions understand that EVs will cost union jobs, and lots of them.

    By the way, I just did a doublecheck of a stat I knew. Here it is, from CNBC: 60% of Americans are Still Living Paycheck to Paycheck.

    On November 8, I reported Credit Card Delinquencies Surge as Consumer Debt Tops $17 Trillion.

    Clearly things would be so much better if we stopped this kind of news.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

      It is odd how that when stellar economic numbers come in Republicans start complaining about insignificant metrics. When employment gains were superb and the deficit cut in half during the Obama years suddenly the obscure Labor Participation Rate became important despite the fact that it reflects healthy metrics.

      Today, GDP and UE no longer matter to conservative jack-offs. But the price of their Cheezy Poofs matter most.

      Tribal blinkers - the GOP wears them well.

      1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

        ...suddenly the obscure Labor Participation Rate became important...

        It's always been important, because not counting unemployed people who have given up on looking for work is a dishonest metric.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          But it counts well-to-do early retirees in the same figure.

          1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

            And what's the ratio of early retirees to quitters? I'd venture to guess there are many quitters for every retiree.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

              I don't know but if you can't get a job today you're pretty much retarded in some way.

              It may not be what you want - I know a COBOL programmer with 30 years coding that had to downsize his career.

              1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

                On that I can agree. And it's something I really don't understand. I would think bringing in a paycheck, any paycheck, is better than no paycheck.

              2. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                "I know a COBOL programmer with 30 years coding"

                No you don't.

                1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                  Actually most people who ever worked for a large company knows one, you idiot.

                  1. Sevo   2 years ago

                    turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
                    If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
                    turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

                  2. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                    You're lying. You neither work for a large company, nor know any programmers.

              3. Sevo   2 years ago

                turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
                turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

          2. Sevo   2 years ago

            turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
            turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

      2. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      3. Sevo   2 years ago (edited)
        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          Here. Let me, Sevo.

          turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            Let's give that man an Amen!

      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        It is odd how that when stellar economic numbers come in

        Employment being low doesn't mean shit when everything costs a shit-ton more than it did before 2021, which is marinating throughout the entire economy.

        And a big part of the current homeless problem is that the country spent most of the 21st century importing tens of millions of people, without building the infrastructure to handle the demand. Most of the country, especially blue areas, simply assumed that developers would naturally build what was needed, irrespective of the incentives in place.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

          a big part of the current homeless problem is that the country spent most of the 21st century importing tens of millions of people

          completely agree.

          I doubted that a border wall would work but someone fucked up his main campaign promise.

          1. JesseAz   2 years ago

            Democrats in congress. Glad we agree.

    2. Illocust   2 years ago

      Food is still expensive at the supermarket. I can't buy a much groceries as I could 3 years ago, and I have no expectation my rent is going to drop.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        Tell me about it. My grocery bill went from $30-$40 per week to $70-$80 per week. Thankfully my mortgage rate is fixed (did that in spite of all the ARMs being pushed 17-18 years ago).

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        True, demand for housing is crazy high - a result of full employment. We're seven million units short of full supply.

        It is nuts where I live because we're building one of the largest factories in the world set to open in 2025.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

          1. Cite with links on the factory.

          2. No, housing isn't being built like crazy. I remember 2000-2008, and this is nowhere near like that.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

            No, housing isn’t being built like crazy

            Not what I said, jackoff. I said supply is seven million units short – thus higher prices.

            And the factory in Georgia is a 2000 acre Rivian factory in the middle of nowhere about 70 miles from Atlanta. I live nearby where Ritz-Carlton built a hotel.

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

              "Rivian factory"

              Good luck with that.

            2. Sevo   2 years ago

              the TDS-addled turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
              turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

            3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

              1. Rivian isn't doing all that hot currently.

              https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/08/rivian-stock-lost-early-gains-today-heres-why/

              It first should be noted that Rivian stock has dropped by more than 30% over the last three months. That can be partially explained by growing concerns that the market for electric vehicles (EVs) isn't what some investors were expecting. Even EV leader Tesla missed production and delivery estimates when it reported earnings last month.

              Rivian boosted guidance and even said it will begin selling its commercial vans beyond its lone customer, Amazon. But the fact remains that it reported a negative free cash flow of more than $1 billion in the third quarter.

              You don't stay in business with negative cash flow like that for long.

              2. Hotels are built anywhere there's a freeway going by. That's not much to go by.

              3. I asked for a cite and a link. You provided neither.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                Do your own fucking search. It is not difficult.

                Georgia + Rivian factory.

                Very simple search that yields direct hits - unless you use one of those retarded conservative search engines I guess.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  You're the one making the assertion; therefore, it is up to you to back your assertion up, dip.

                2. Sevo   2 years ago

                  the TDS-addled ass-clown turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
                  turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

                3. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

                  Which search engines are you referring to?

                4. damikesc   2 years ago

                  Rivian is bleeding money. It loses money on every vehicle sold --- and they cannot raise prices. Plus electric pickups have the whole severely short range on a charge and the exceptionally long times to charge.

                  Take away government benefits and EVs are dead.

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit a TDS-addled asshole and a pederast besides.

      3. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

        "Food is still expensive at the supermarket."

        Buy in bulk at costco! - sbp

  31. Brandybuck   2 years ago

    > QAnon Shaman running for office as a Libertarian, natch.

    He's QAnon. Nothing the LP loves more than welcoming in batshit crazy conspiracy loons. Combined with the new alt-right Mises Caucus, this nutjob will be right at home in the new LP.

    This is why I'm no longer a member of the LP. Or any party actually. All parties eventually get taken over by the crazies. I wrote in Vermin Supreme in the last election. Least crazy person on the ballot. The LP has two problems and that is that it won't take itself seriously and won't take it's core ideology seriously.

    1. sarcasmic   2 years ago

      I always thought of the LP as a bunch of stoned anarchists trying to herd cats.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        Those are the Reason libertarians. I think Brandy was talking about a different set.

    2. (Impeach Robert L. Peters) Weigel's Cock Ring   2 years ago

      "QAnon" doesn't even really exist, except in the fever dreams of far left media types as a generic catch-all description of just about everyone they hate the most. No headquarters, no local chapters, no mailing address of any kind, no website, no phone number, no spokespersons, no nothing at all observable thay anyone can point to as real evidence of existence.

      It's the real life version of Emmanuel Goldstein. Little by little, piece by piece, these far lefties are taking Orwell's dystopian nightmare he wrote 75 years ago and turning it into our current reality.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

        You're full of shit, Mikey. QAnon exists here on H&R.

        Trump Cultists calling any outsider a pedophile? Pure QAnon.

        It fucking doesn't even factor anymore. It's like the Cultists are wearing s stupid sign.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          So "QAnon" is an appellation you use instead of an actual organization. Got it. It's name calling.

          Reminds me of Lying Jeffy yesterday who wouldn't and couldn't describe what he meant when he called Jesse "Right-wing".

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            is an appellation you use instead of an actual organization

            See also "Antifa".

            1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

              Except Antifa has groups who identify as such and receive funding from Open Society.

              QAnon on the other hand is a 4chan meme that the New York Times picked up to scare wine moms.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                You're full of shit. Cite?

                Note - I never ask for proof because I know what a conspiratorial shit-box you live in.

                ONE TIME - Cite?

                Antifa has groups who identify as such and receive funding from Open Society.

                1. Sevo   2 years ago

                  The TDS-addled ass-clown turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
                  turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

                2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                  You do like a challenge, don't you?

                  https://capitalresearch.org/article/origins-of-antifa/

                  “While it’s been proven that funders like Soros and the Democrat Party have paid protest organizers and some protesters, groups like the violent Black Bloc [sic – black bloc refers to a set of tactics, not a group] typically aren’t motivated by money, but instead come to protests because of their anti-American ideology, base criminal desires and thrill seeking.”

                  Nonetheless, the left-wing billionaire George Soros has ties to Antifa through a group called the Alliance for Global Justice (AfGJ). Soros’s philanthropy, known at the time as the Open Society Institute, gave $100,000 to AfGJ ($50,000 in 2004 and $50,000 in 2006).

                  Acting as a fiscal sponsor, AfGJ gave $50,000 to Refuse Fascism, an unincorporated Antifa group. Fiscal sponsors are recognized tax-exempt 501(c)(3) nonprofits that take in donations on behalf of unincorporated or small groups so that donors can deduct the donations from their taxes, charging the group receiving the donation a processing fee.

                  1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                    Fail.

                    https://afgj.org/

                    found no evidence of ties to Antifa.

                    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      Gee, lookie at this, Pluggo, as of today:

                      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/palestinian-terror-tied-alliance-global-justice-donors-payment-processors-ties

                      The organization, Alliance for Global Justice, has lost the critical ability to accept credit card donations online due to four companies, consisting of PayPal, Stripe, Deluxe, and Salsa Labs, all deciding between February and October to kick the organization off their fundraising platforms. Top Democratic-allied grantmakers are vowing they will no longer transfer cash into AFGJ's coffers. Those include New Venture Fund and Windward Fund, two entities managed by Arabella Advisors, the largest liberal dark money network in the United States, and the Ford Foundation.

                      The financial blows come after AFGJ pulled in a staggering $56 million in its fiscal year ending in March 2021 as left-wing donors flocked to support purported "social justice" groups following the death of George Floyd in 2020 and subsequent Black Lives Matter demonstrations.

                      On its latest tax forms filed in February, AFGJ disclosed pulling in $10.6 million.

                      BTW, those groups are all part of Antifa.

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      And we have more. As for your "cite", you found yet another way to duck, dodge, avoid, and lie, Pluggo.

                      https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16149/antifa-history-part-2

                      The coordinated violence raises questions about how Antifa is financed. The Alliance for Global Justice (AFGJ) is an organizing group that serves as a fiscal sponsor to numerous radical left-wing initiatives, according to Influence Watch, a research group that collects data on advocacy organizations, foundations and donors.... The Open Society Foundations, Tides Foundation, Arca Foundation, Surdna Foundation, Public Welfare Foundation, and the Brightwater Fund have all made contributions to AFGJ, according to Influence Watch.

                      The coordinated violence raises questions about how Antifa is financed. The Alliance for Global Justice (AFGJ) is an organizing group that serves as a fiscal sponsor to numerous radical left-wing initiatives, according to Influence Watch, a research group that collects data on advocacy organizations, foundations and donors.

                      AFGJ, which describes itself as "anti-capitalist" and opposed to the principles of liberal democracy, provides "fiscal sponsorship" to groups advocating numerous foreign and domestic far-left and extreme-left causes, including eliminating the State of Israel.

                      One of the groups funded by AFGJ is called Refuse Fascism, a radical left-wing organization devoted to promoting nationwide action to remove from office President Donald Trump, and all officials associated with his administration, on the grounds that they constitute a "fascist regime." The group has been present at many Antifa radical-left demonstrations, also according to Influence Watch. The group is an offshoot of the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP).

                      Wanna try again, dipshit?

                    3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      Here's Part I for fun:

                      https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16104/antifa-history

                      Antifa can be described as a transnational insurgency movement that endeavors, often with extreme violence, to subvert liberal democracy, with the aim of replacing global capitalism with communism. Antifa's stated long-term objective, both in America and abroad, is to establish a communist world order. In the United States, Antifa's immediate aim is to bring about the demise of the Trump administration.

                      Germany's BfV domestic intelligence agency, in a special report on left-wing extremism, noted:

                      "Antifa's fight against right-wing extremists is a smokescreen. The real goal remains the 'bourgeois-democratic state,' which, in the reading of left-wing extremists, accepts and promotes 'fascism' as a possible form of rule and therefore does not fight it sufficiently. Ultimately, it is argued, 'fascism' is rooted in the social and political structures of 'capitalism.' Accordingly, left-wing extremists, in their 'antifascist' activities, focus above all on the elimination of the 'capitalist system.'"

                      In an essay, "What Antifa and the Original Fascists Have In Common," Antony Mueller, a German professor of economics who currently teaches in Brazil, described how Antifa's militant anti-capitalism masquerading as anti-fascism reveals its own fascism:

                      "The Antifa movement is a fascist movement. The enemy of this movement is not fascism but liberty, peace and prosperity."

                3. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago (edited)

                  And from the horse’s own ass,

                  https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/voices/a-220-million-investment-in-racial-justice

                  We are contributing $150 million to a set of organizations that we deem vital—organizations that have helped make this moment happen, and that have the vision, drive and determination to carry it forward into the future. They range from emerging powers to more established civil rights forces. Among them: Black Voters Matter, Circle for Innovations, the Rev. Barber’s Repairers of the Breach and the Equal Justice Initiative. Each of them play a crucial role.

                  1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                    ^Here you go Buttplug.^

                    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                      No Antifa listed.

                      Fail.

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                      Look again, Plugtard.

                4. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                  Did google ban you for child porn too?

                  https://capitalresearch.org/article/origins-of-antifa/

                  1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

                    Fail.

                    Determining who funds Antifa is difficult because the movement is highly decentralized and consists of private individuals and loosely affiliated groups.

                    Your own source admits they don't know who funds Antifa and they are just individuals with a common motive.

                    NEXT PEANUT UP!

                    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

                      Nice cherry pick pedo. Keep reading:

                      “While it’s been proven that funders like Soros and the Democrat Party have paid protest organizers and some protesters

                      And:

                      Soros’s philanthropy, known at the time as the Open Society Institute, gave $100,000 to AfGJ ($50,000 in 2004 and $50,000 in 2006).

                      Acting as a fiscal sponsor, AfGJ gave $50,000 to Refuse Fascism, an unincorporated Antifa group.

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "Your own source admits they don’t know who funds Antifa"

                      Your quote doesn't say that. Who do you think you're trying to kid?

                    3. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

                      Why are you trying so hard to dismiss the obvious? What's the ideological motivation for you?

                    4. DesigNate   2 years ago

                      Because he's a demshill, Inquisitive.

                    5. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

                      "Why are you trying so hard to dismiss the obvious? What’s the ideological motivation for you?"

                      Because he's hired by Open Society... or was until very recently. Jeff btw, shills for Media Matters.

        2. Sevo   2 years ago

          turd the ass-clown lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
          turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

        3. R Mac   2 years ago

          “Trump Cultists calling any outsider a pedophile?”

          What a disgusting lie. The only person that regularly gets called a pedophile here is YOU. And that’s because you were actually banned for posting links to child pornography.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

            I was never banned, you moron. I'm posting now. I've always posted. Same IP address.

            HEY REASON! I'm the same buttplug as before!

            1. R Mac   2 years ago

              Nobody believes you.

            2. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago (edited)

              Still waiting for you to explain the 2 at the end of your handle.

              And "fuck you" doesn't count as an explanation.

            3. Sevo   2 years ago

              turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
              turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

            4. damikesc   2 years ago

              If you're the same buttplug as before...why that number 2?

            5. Chumby   2 years ago

              What happened to the original account of yours?

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

                I seem to recall it got banned and caused an entire thread to be nuked and cleansed due to SPB (no "2" at the time) posting links to hardcore child porn.

                1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                  Which many of you apparently intentionally clicked on, thus downloading "links to hardcore child porn" to your own computers. (Although I've also seen the claim that these links were to sites on "the dark web", which would have prevented most of you from actually visiting the intended URLs, but that does call into question how you were nevertheless able to determine the nature of the content located at the alleged links...)

                  "Tricked" into committing child porn federal felonies--I can see why you'd be angry!

      2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        So bunches of old farts in Canada skipped out on paying utilities for nothing?

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Vermin Supreme would make the best president of all current options. It's not even close.

    4. R Mac   2 years ago

      What makes the MC alt-right?

      1. Super Scary   2 years ago

        "What makes the MC alt-right?"

        They aren't democrats.

      2. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Brandy deemed it so.

    5. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      Is he actually QAnon, or is that just a label that was plastered on his image?

  32. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

    The Dems will continue to gaslight every failed policy.

    It is quite predictable.

  33. Nobartium   2 years ago

    The only problem with Vivek's plan is that it doesn't reach 80% or higher.

  34. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

    "White women are lucky that we are just calling them Karen's

    And not calling for revenge"

    Are we at the point where the "quiet part" has become the battlecry? When the masks are fully thrown aside? Seems like we are there.

    Also, bonus points for the woman posting this being actually named Karen, lol.

    1. Ska   2 years ago

      So Tyrone and Shaniqua are in vogue again?

  35. Alan Vanneman   2 years ago

    I have to say that I'm seriously disappointed in the quality of Reason's coverage of the Israeli invasion of Gaza. One can affirm Israel's right to exist, and to flourish, as I do, and still deny its "right" to increase the size of its territory. For decades, the U.S. has constantly defended Israel's "right" to steal land from the Palestinians in the West Bank. Years ago, Benjamin Netanyahu said "No one has the right to judge Israel". What he meant was "We can do whatever we like, because the U.S. will back us no matter what." The knee jerk support Israel has come to take for granted from the U.S. has corrupted both nations. I suggest you consider the observations of such figures as Peter Beinart and Noam Chomsky as a counter to your own blinkered views. Please do better.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago (edited)

      Gaza was a decrease in Israeli territory back in 2005. Hamas attacked nevertheless.

      So your argument is off-base.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
        turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

        1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

          This is one of those rare examples of him telling the truth by accident, I think.

          1. Sevo   2 years ago

            Possibly. I never bother to read the drivel that turd posts, simply because it is a lie or an accident.

    2. creech   2 years ago

      God gave (((us))) the deed back in 1,000 b.c. Here's the copy of the deed (shows Old Testament). Why won't you respect the word of God? /sarc

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Take it from an American, Israel does not need bigger borders from the Nile to the Tigris-Euphrates unless they want U.S. border problems as well.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Noam Chomsky, the tenured "Anarchist" at M.I.T. whose career relies on The Military Industrial Complex and who has been an apologist for every Totalitarian Communist regime in the Planet? Riiiight!

    4. Terry Anne Lieber (Don't Feed Tony)   2 years ago

      Israel is the sole legitimate claimant of that land i.e. the Gaza Strip, as well as the entirety of the mandate's (remaining) territory. One only has to apply uti possidetis juris i.e. customary int'l law. We could also add that Israel is well withing her right to take that land, if taking that land is the only feasible way to go forward without the constant threat of terror. This latter argument is applicable to the Golan Height too.

      The so called "Palestinians" are not a nation and "they" have no sovereign right, or even any legitimate claim to any land in the "West Bank" (i.e. Judea and Samaria) or elsewhere. I couldn't even claim that they "want" a state of their own since every single time it was offered to them on a silver platter they refused. Westerners, especially Leftists, just want to believe that everyone thinks like them and that those "poor Palestinians must be looking for a liberal democratic Palestine in place of... ahem, I mean right next to the Jews of Israel".

      Peter Beinart and Noam Chomsky are both JINOs, or self-hating Jews if you prefer, and they're both anti-Zionists. Why would anyone, let alone a libertarian, listen to anything coming out of the mouth of those far-leftist radicals?

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        Israel either abides by international law, or doesn't. There is no "both ways", and it is very foolish for the US to support it.

        1. Terry Anne Lieber (Don't Feed Tony)   2 years ago

          Israel abides by international law.

          1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

            That is false. The only question is whether you truly believe it.

    5. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      Not to worry Alan, once Israel finished annihilating Hamas, they will annex Gaza and expel a bunch of Judeocidal Hamas supporters.

      It will be the Singapore of the Mediterranean.

    6. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      as I do, and still deny its “right” to increase the size of its territory.

      Maybe Israel should pull out of Gaza and remove its settlements from the West Bank. That will surely placate the Palestinian authority and peace will reign supreme.

      Noam Chomsky

      I would also start with the guy who denied the Cambodian Genocide as well. Perhaps his anarchistic tendencies gave him the right views on COVID lockdowns and vaccine mandates? I'll have to do some research.

      1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

        It's not a question of whether abiding by international law guarantees peace. Israel either abides by it or doesn't--it can't have it both ways. Does Israel admit its settlements are in violation of international law, but has good reasons for doing so? If so, I missed it.

  36. JesseAz   2 years ago

    Power outages killed six people, including two premature babies, over the weekend, according to the Gazan health ministry

    Did they also show the video of Hamas not allowing a fuel delivery to the hospital?

  37. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    Power outages killed six people, including two premature babies, over the weekend, according to the Gazan health ministry

    doubt

    1. Kungpowderfinger   2 years ago (edited)

      I’m wondering, what names did Hamas/PLO reject when they invented “Gazan Health Ministry” for their press releases?

  38. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    QAnon Shaman running for office as a Libertarian, natch.

    This is the best timeline.

    1. R Mac   2 years ago

      Brandyshit disagrees. She’s very upset.

    2. mamabug   2 years ago

      Only if he wins and (taking a good idea from further up the thread) wears his shaman outfit to work each day.

  39. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/memeticsisyphus/status/1724061940115292537?t=M-YSBFfJ-Ke28XbnxprhrA&s=19

    A reminder that white liberals are the only people in the world who would find a problem with this statement.

    [Link]

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      Only because so many white liberals are childless unmarried women.

      1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

        This ^

        They have no connection to kids and have probably disowned their conservative parents.

      2. Chumby   2 years ago

        Do wine babies count?

    2. R Mac   2 years ago

      That graph is crazy.

  40. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    On Day 1, *instantly* fire 50% of federal bureaucrats.

    Here's how: if your SSN ends in an odd number, you're fired.

    That downsizes government by half. Absolutely *nothing* will break as a result.

    how could anyone object to this?

    1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      Should have included the evens.

  41. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    This is a gem I hadn't seen before. I might expect this from an Oberlin college student, but from the world opinions editor @washingtonpost? pic.twitter.com/m1fXnb7dBg

    TDS much? I like how "voting for Trump" is on par with the Tulsa Massacre. Voting for Trump is a self-evident crime in the minds of these people . Utterly unhinged.

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago

      how ever will they tackle this issue on today's The View?

  42. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Power outages killed six people, including two premature babies ... Decomposing corpses ... in the hospital courtyard

    total fucking shame Hamas wrecked the peace.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 years ago

      Are we still having trouble getting across "Fuck around, find out" to these people?

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        I'm enjoying the Find Out Show. I'd prefer a Brandon's Hostage Comedy Review Day ___ somewhere anywhere but I guess I'm not getting it

  43. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>QAnon Shaman running for office as a Libertarian, natch.

    already mailing my ballots to Arizona.

    1. creech   2 years ago

      Adds to colorful lineup of guy with boot on head, chick with pink hair, dude dancing in his skivvies, and gay man wearing outlandish costumes at conventions.

  44. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Disappointing exactly zero people, Tim Scott has made the decision to suspend his presidential campaign.

    idk, one of the posters here uses him for projection-rage

  45. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>Vivek Ramaswamy ... always gives high-school-sophomore-in-debate-club vibes:

    his take-down of the Prom Queen has been delicious.

  46. Dillinger   2 years ago

    >>What exactly is this Washington Post editor calling for?

    I'd say Repeal of the 19th but she doesn't look blonde in her pic

  47. mtrueman   2 years ago (edited)

    ” Intelligence officials at home “are confident that Hamas has used tunnel networks under hospitals, in particular Al Shifa, for command and control areas as well as for weapons storage,” according to The New York Times.”

    Using tunnels as command and control areas? Bunkers, maybe, but tunnels? I would have thought that bunkers under the Sinai desert in Egypt would make for excellent command and control and storage facilities. They would be able to operate free from Israeli interference.

    Putting such facilities under hospitals would be ill advised given Israel's habit of singling them out for attack.

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

      "Israel’s habit of singling them out for attack"

      Here is one of the purest example of lying on behalf of Hamas as you could ask for.

      1. mtrueman   2 years ago (edited)

        Israel has often attacked hospital. They’re attacking several as I write this. To think that hospitals, churches and the like give Hamas a safe place to hide is ridiculous.

        Even using Israeli citizens as human shields is ineffectual as this report on Israeli eyewitness Tuval of Be’eri Kibutz in Haaretz shows:

        “His voice trembles when his partner, who was besieged in her home shelter at the time, comes to mind. According to him, only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions — including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages — did the IDF complete the takeover of the kibbutz. The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri people were killed. Others were kidnapped. Yesterday, 11 days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”

        Given that the IDF, in their goal to eliminate Hamas, won’t stop at the indiscriminate slaughter their own Jewish Israelis, Hamas is not going to risk their lives hiding behind civilians of any description.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          Hamas forces the actions. Every single death is on them.

          1. mtrueman   2 years ago

            The idea that Hamas would think hiding under a hospital would prevent Israeli from attacking them is ridiculous.

            "Hamas forces the actions."

            The idea that Hamas is forcing Israel to do anything is ridiculous. If Israel, a nuclear power with democratic traditions and total US backing, acts rashly, launching an ill conceived, intemperate war which it cannot win, it can only blame itself.

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              Hamas attacked them. Hamas unleashed an atrocity on them. Anything done to Hamas is on Hamas. If Hamas is sticking civilians in front of them, their deaths are also Hamas' fault.

              Just as the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were ultimately Japan's fault for starting the war in the first place.

              1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                "If Hamas is sticking civilians in front of them"

                Civilians, whether Israelis or Palestinians, are not going to prevent Israel from attacking. Blame Hamas if that eases a guilty conscience.

                1. damikesc   2 years ago

                  Israel goes above and beyond to clear out civilians before any action is taken.

                  Hamas TARGETS civilians specifically.

                  That you do not see a difference is one of your many failings.

                  1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                    "Israel goes above and beyond to clear out civilians before any action is taken."

                    They don't even do that for Israeli Jews. Read about the massacre at Be'eri. I urge you to inform yourself.

                    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                      I'm sure they issued warnings.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

          Doesn't the incident with the hospital last month (that the NYT tried to help cover up) prove that you are lying?

          "Hamas is not going to risk their lives hiding behind civilians of any description"

          Why does Hamas take civilians hostage except to hide behind them? Why does Hamas prevent civilians from leaving Gaza, unless they want them to be killed to score propaganda points with anti-semites like yourself?

          "Indiscriminate slaughter"

          How is the IDF supposed to discriminate between palestinian fighters who

          1. don't wear uniforms
          2. hide among the population

          1. mtrueman   2 years ago

            "Doesn’t the incident with the hospital last month (that the NYT tried to help cover up) prove that you are lying?"

            No. The idea that Hamas would hide under hospitals thinking this would make them immune from Israeli attacks is risible. I can't believe that you sincerely believe this. I think you are instead mindlessly parroting Israeli propaganda points meant to justify their atrocities against civilians.

            "How is the IDF supposed to discriminate between palestinian fighters"

            If they IDF isn't up to the task, find someone who is. If the IDF can't tell who their enemies are, they shouldn't be given weapons.

            "Why does Hamas take civilians hostage except to hide behind them?"

            Hostage taking in the region goes back thousands of years. The idea is to exchange hostages for money or concessions. Israel engages in this too. A few years back, Netanyahu exchanged 1000 Palestinian hostages for 1 Israeli. At such an exchange rate, it's surprising hostage taking isn't more popular.

            "Why does Hamas prevent civilians from leaving Gaza"

            Offhand, I'd say they want to avoid Nakba 2. To evacuate a territory, only to be denied the right to return. Hezbollah, I believe, also blocked refugees from fleeing a warzone in Southern Lebanon for much the same reason. What's your opinion?

            1. Minadin   2 years ago

              They aren't doing it to protect themselves so much as make sure that Israel gets as much bad PR as possible when they do finally get to them.

              https://twitter.com/SonnyBunch/status/1722712643306147866

            2. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 years ago

              The hospital incident proves that the Palestinians will launch rockets from a hospital parking lot. If they are willing to do that, why wouldn't they tunnel under them as well? Because they know that Israel will be less likely to target a known hospital (not "make them immune" as in your strawman).

              "If they IDF isn’t up to the task, find someone who is. If the IDF can’t tell who their enemies are, they shouldn’t be given weapons."

              How could this be done by the anyone, IDF or anyone else? How would you distinguish among people who don't wear uniforms, and hide among the population?

              "The idea is to exchange hostages for money or concessions."

              And to hide behind them, obviously. Above you claimed that Israel will just "indiscriminately" kill their own citizens. If that's the case, why did they trade 1000 of the enemy for just one of their own? You want it both ways.

              "I’d say they want to avoid Nakba 2"

              They want to avoid a propaganda loss that their own people would rather take their chances elsewhere than continue to live in Gaza, a hellhole of Hamas's own making. And any who are forced to stay that get killed by IDF strikes are just a bonus for Hamas to use against Israel.

              1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                " If they are willing to do that, why wouldn’t they tunnel under them as well?"

                According to the article, they do tunnel under hospitals. But command and control centers require more than tunnels, they need bunkers, large rooms in other words.

                "How could this be done by the anyone, IDF or anyone else? How would you distinguish among people who don’t wear uniforms, and hide among the population?"

                I doubt they care too much. They see mowing the lawn, exterminating the cockroaches as business as usual.

                " If that’s the case, why did they trade 1000 of the enemy for just one of their own? "

                Perhaps there was an election coming up. Ask Netanyahu. He is the mastermind behind the deal.

          2. Minadin   2 years ago

            Not only that, they (Hamas, terrorists) apparently were shooting at Gazans trying to evacuate the hospital.

            It's absolutely critical to them that there are civilians to hide behind.

            1. mtrueman   2 years ago

              Apparently? You don't sound very sure of yourself.

        3. Terry Anne Lieber (Don't Feed Tony)   2 years ago

          Ah, as Haaretz shows, I see....

          1. mtrueman   2 years ago

            Yes, lying Jew run media. I've heard it all before. Got any other Nazi tropes you want to trot out? How about a little Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy? We haven't heard that in a while. It's a classic.

            1. Terry Anne Lieber (Don't Feed Tony)   2 years ago

              As always, you have it all backwards misconstrueman:
              The Schocken family were the sole owners of the Haaretz Group until August 2006, when they sold a 25% stake to German publisher M. DuMont Schauberg.[23] ... This deal was seen as controversial in Israel as DuMont Schauberg's father, Kurt Neven DuMont, was member of the Nazi Party and his publishing house promoted Nazi ideology.[25]

              If anyone's a Nazi between the two of us, it's pretty obviously you. I respect Israel, Zionism and Jews. Otoh, you hate Israel, Zionism and Jews. You also "love" a certain group of Arab people who incorrectly self-identify as "Palestinian", though I'm sure you only support them for as long as they're killing Jews and are bent on the destruction of the Jewish State.

              Actually, it's pretty funny you outed yourself so willingly. I mean... at least you could have pretended for a bit longer that you're a dove and a humanitarian. Instead you chose to say something so utterly stupid and obviously false that you've just proudly came out (for the umpteenth time) as a Jew-hating troII.

              1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                Jews are fine. It's the Jewish state that I have problems with.

                "I mean… at least you could have pretended for a bit longer that you’re a dove and a humanitarian."

                I'm not pretending anything. Sometimes I can be ironical. If you are confused, just ask. Leave the attempts at mind reading to qualified professionals. Thank you.

      2. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago (edited)

        It’s mtrueman. He’s just a troll. Spouts nonsense and remarkably ignorant antagonistic claims to get you to engage with him. He then ups the nonsense after you do. He’s best ignored as he’s not a serious commenter.

        Also, he's an anti-Semite. So he gets extra charged to disparage Jews when engaging in his schtick.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      If their intent was to avoid civilian casualties, you would have a point. But Hamas is perfectly happy to have babies killed if it allows sympathetic people to pin it on Israel.

      1. mtrueman   2 years ago

        "But Hamas is perfectly happy to have babies killed if it allows sympathetic people to pin it on Israel."

        Hamas is too clever not to milk the Israeli atrocities for all the propaganda they're worth. And Israel is all too willing to comply. So it seems highly unlikely that Hamas would store equipment under hospitals, churches, schools etc in the secure knowledge that Israel, that shining beacon of Western Values, would never attack such facilities. Such attacks are all but guaranteed. We're seeing them now, as I write this.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          You are such a fucking goof. Yeah, Israel is going to go after Hamas when they hide in hospitals. Hamas doesn't give a fuck if that means some kids get killed. That's why using civilians as human shields is generally considered not a good thing to do. War fucking sucks. People get killed, including lots of innocents.
          I'm not a huge booster of Israel, but they get to defend themselves. All of the death and destruction here is on Hamas. Israel's reaction has been entirely expected and predictable and is exactly what Hamas planned.

          1. mtrueman   2 years ago

            " Israel’s reaction has been entirely expected and predictable and is exactly what Hamas planned."

            I expect more of Israel than you do. They shouldn't be acting out according to Hamas's play book. Israel has declared a war it can't win which endangers Jews all over the world. If you had more empathy with the people of Israel you'd be calling for a negotiated political settlement. The path you prefer, a military solution, will backfire on Israel.

            "I’m not a huge booster of Israel"

            That's obvious. Let's you and him fight is the extent of your boosting.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   2 years ago

      But Egypt is smart enough to not let Hamas and Palestinians leave Gaza into Egypt, so the Sinai is pretty much off limits to Hamas, too.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Another good point against this Dummy Mtruman.

        1. mtrueman   2 years ago

          I disagree. It's not as good a point as you think it is.

      2. mtrueman   2 years ago

        "But Egypt is smart enough "

        Egypt is full of Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers, by the way. And Egypt's police and border patrols are likely to be as corrupt and bribeable as in any other African country.

        Hamas is a organization like Al Qaeda in that it has a world wide network for smuggling and money making, with ties to various national secret services and organized crime gangs, in addition to its militia and political roles in Gaza. They even get money from the Netanyahu government. The weapons Hamas uses are American made, thought to be smuggled from Ukraine via Egypt.

        1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

          I'm sure they use any weapons they can get their hands on. They make their own rockets, apparently.

    4. Dillinger   2 years ago

      >>...given Israel’s habit of singling them out for attack.

      hilarious if sarcasm.

    5. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Since when has that stopped Hamas? Dummy!

      1. mtrueman   2 years ago

        Since when has that stopped Israel, is more to the point. If Israelis insist on carrying out ill conceived and intemperate attacks on hospitals, churches etc, Hamas will naturally put this to use for propaganda.

        1. damikesc   2 years ago

          So, in the world of mtrueman, a country should place all of its military apparatus inside of churches and hospitals to insure that nothing can be done to them.

          Takes a lot to see somebody simp for Hamas.

          1. mtrueman   2 years ago

            " a country should place all of its military apparatus inside of churches and hospitals"

            Not if the country is planning on going to war against Israel.

            1. Zeb   2 years ago

              Unless they don't give a fuck about civilian deaths and only want propaganda to use against Israel and keep angry mobs riled up around the world.

              1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                As opposed to Israel who doesn't give a fuck about civilian death and desperately wants to keep the world from knowing about the atrocities they perpetrate. Is that really the comparison you want to make?

                1. damikesc   2 years ago

                  Holy Hell, you're ACTUALLY an apologist for Hamas.

                  Why is the Left so damned fond of a group who is racist, sexist, will happily butcher LGBT folks, AND does mean tweets? They're Trump with a decidedly genocidal streak and a desire to make the lives of their citizens worse.

                  AND YOU ARE ON THEIR SIDE!

                  Good lord, do you have a moral compass?

                  1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                    "AND YOU ARE ON THEIR SIDE!"

                    Guilty as charged. I choose the side of the slaves vs. the slavers. I thought my comments here made that clear. Are you only now realizing this?

                    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                      Selected slaves.

          2. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

            Well, when you're a raging anti-Semite like mtrueman, you will grasp for anything to blame the Jews.

    6. Terry Anne Lieber (Don't Feed Tony)   2 years ago

      You got it all backwards as always, misconstrueman. Terrorists place their stuff under/inside hospitals, schools and mosques because they know that their enemies, the hated Yahood, will not target them. They're literally using Israel's kindness as a weapon against Israel.

      1. Sevo   2 years ago

        Consider the source.

      2. mtrueman   2 years ago

        "they know that their enemies, the hated Yahood, will not target them"

        They also know their enemy and what they are capable of better than you do.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          Israel has been very restrained. If they really wanted to kill everyone in Gaza they could do so easily. That's what they are capable of. The fact that they haven't done anything remotely close to that says a lot.

          1. mtrueman   2 years ago

            " If they really wanted to kill everyone in Gaza they could do so easily."

            That's not what they want. They want to forceably transfer 2.3 million people to tent cities in Sinai. From there the Gazans will be expected to board leaky boats bound for European refugee camps.

            1. damikesc   2 years ago

              Do they ALSO kill kids and use their blood for cakes? Were the Protocols of the Elders of Zion true? Did Hitler have some solid points about the Jews?

              Want to see how deep the Jew hatred goes.

              1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                "Do they ALSO kill kids and use their blood for cakes? "

                They want to get rid of the Palestinians. You need to pay more attention.

                "Want to see how deep the Jew hatred goes."

                I don't hate Jews. If I were born in a concentration camp and saw my family killed by a Jewish state, I probably would feel differently. Wouldn't you? Would your love of Jews survive a life in Gaza without hope or a future?

    7. Commenter_XY   2 years ago

      Yeah, too bad for the Judeocidal Hamas terrorists. Nowhere in Shifa hospital to hide. They will die violent deaths, or be touched by a darkness that can be felt (buried in the tunnels). The world willbe a better place when they're obliterated.

      You sympathize with Hamas. Why not help them?

      1. mtrueman   2 years ago

        "The world will be a better place when they’re obliterated."

        You have a plan B?

      2. Minadin   2 years ago

        This is the same guy who claims that Hamas is justified if their tactics and propaganda are effective.

        1. mtrueman   2 years ago

          In a just world, the Palestinians would use only ineffective tactics and propaganda that Israel approves of.

          1. damikesc   2 years ago

            Those poor, misunderstood Gazans who --- only massacred numerous people. How dare Israel be mean to them.

            1. middlefinger   2 years ago

              They declare war on Israel and expect NO WAR!

              Leftists are evil megalomaniacs. One way ticket to leftist countries. I’m sure they’d love China. Lots of empty real estate. Business executives are disappearing again. If there’s anything a leftist hates more than not being in charge of rationing and tax collection , it’s a successful business.

              1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

                It's hard to be more "conservative" than a Muslim fanatic, but the Western left embraces them. (Presumably, so long as they are over there and not over here...)

            2. mtrueman   2 years ago

              From Kubrick's Spartacus (1960), Spartacus, the general leading the slave army, talking with the representative of the pirates:

              P: If you looked into a magic crystal... and you saw your army destroyed and yourself dead... if you saw that in the future... as I'm sure you're seeing it now... would you continue to fight?
              S: Yes
              P: Knowing that you must lose?
              S: Knowing we can. All men lose when they die and all men die. But a slave and a free man lose different things. They both lose life. When a free man dies, he loses the pleasure of life. A slave loses his pain. Death is the only freedom a slave knows. That's why he's not afraid of it. That's why we'll win.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

                Except they didn’t win–they got cut off and slaughtered, and the survivors were crucified along the Appian Way. The defeat was, in fact, so definitive that no large-scale slave revolts of note ever happened in Rome again.

                1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                  That was at the end of the movie. The part I quoted was half way through when there was still hope of escape. Crassus used his considerable fortune to bribe the pirates to renege on their deal.

                2. R Mac   2 years ago

                  Reminder, to mtrueman, spouting nonsense is an end in itself.

              2. damikesc   2 years ago

                Well, if a script says it --- must be reality.

          2. Minadin   2 years ago

            Do you not understand that the effectiveness of a strategy or action has somewhere between 'nothing' and 'very little' to do with whether or not, or how, that action was justified?

            Justification = why
            Effectiveness = how

            They are measuring different things.

            1. mtrueman   2 years ago

              Hamas has an Islamist ideology. Jihad is all the justification they need.

              1. damikesc   2 years ago

                They seek to die and lay with virgins.

                Israel is doing them a favor.

                1. mtrueman   2 years ago

                  "They seek to die"

                  They seek to win, believe it or not. They play for keeps.

    8. Moonrocks   2 years ago

      given Israel’s habit of singling them out for attack

      You mean like the hospital they totally bombed to smithereens but is miraculously still standing?

      1. mtrueman   2 years ago

        "You mean like the hospital"

        That and others. And lets not forget the churches, mosques, schools, apartment buildings, market places and anywhere else people are likely to congregate. Gaza is the most densely populated place on the planet. The Israelis are spoiled for choice.

    9. VinniUSMC   2 years ago

      mNaziman, doing his best out Jew-hate Herr Misek.

      Fuck you Nazi scum.

      1. mtrueman   2 years ago

        "Fuck you Nazi scum."

        I know you are, but what am I? Childish taunts are not persuasive.

        1. VinniUSMC   2 years ago

          I'm not attempting to persuade. I'm not taunting you. I'm stating a simple fact. You are a piece of shit Nazi wannabe. Fuck you, human garbage.

          1. mtrueman   2 years ago

            I'm not impressed. If you can't muster a decent argument, it's best to stay silent. These emotional outbursts are not helping anyone. They're boring too.

  48. mad.casual   2 years ago

    Power outages killed six people, including two premature babies, over the weekend

    Weird how when they're so pre-term they can't survive without a constant, steady supply of electricity they suddenly turn into babies. Almost like it's convenient for them to be clumps of cells in some situations and babies in others. Just the miracle of life I guess.

    1. Idaho-Bob   2 years ago

      Yeah, this caught my attention as well.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      I think you are looking a little too hard for inconsistency here.
      There's really a pretty clear line to be drawn. Has anyone ever referred to premature births as anything other than babies?

      1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

        I would ask if there were power outages in Nagasaki on August 9, 1945.

      2. mad.casual   2 years ago

        LOL.

        I think you are looking a little too hard for inconsistency here.
        How many premies lost due to power outages in the bombing of Dresden? The takeover of Baghdad? The US departure from Kabul? Hell, the Northeast blackout of 2003? The 2021 Texas Cold Snap?

        Has anyone ever referred to premature births as anything other than babies?

        Yes, "nonviable".

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          If your point was that reporters are being inconsistent in what is reported on in different conflicts and incidents, you should have said that instead of going for the abortion tie-in.

          1. mad.casual   2 years ago

            I must've slept through the physics or computer science or whatever classes where the laws of nature dictate that the maximum number of topics one can inconsistently report on is 1. Sounds... not even wrong.

            1. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

              Gaza can end this war by surrendering unconditionally.

    3. DesigNate   2 years ago

      TBF, Liz usually refers to them as babies.

  49. Miss Ann Thrope   2 years ago

    "The New York Tines published" So, bullshit.

    1. R Mac   2 years ago

      NUH UH!!!

      — Lying Jeffy

      1. Chumby   2 years ago

        If you say that, you must say something negative about Fox or Tucker. If you don’t, you are a propagandist for them!

  50. Chumby   2 years ago

    Dairy Queen Blizzard and a stuffed crust pepperoni pizza with garlic dipping sauce.

    1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Why do you torture us so, Chumby? First with your absence, then with a yummy lunch entrée! I didn't know Dairy Queen had pizza.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago (edited)

        He used white privilege to patronize two separate, but equal, resturants.

        1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

          Either one of us or both of us could be right.

          Dairy Queen evidently has some flexible rules for franchise owners. One Dairy Queen on one side of my town serves only frozen treats. The other one in my town on the other side also serves burgers, hot dogs, chicken sandwiches, and fries.

          A Dairy Queen that serves pizza would probably be possible and I certainly would welcome it.

  51. Super Scary   2 years ago

    "On Day 1, *instantly* fire 50% of federal bureaucrats."

    What, like out of a canon? Sure, sounds good to me.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

      The only question i have is why on earth would you keep the other 50%

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

        That's Day 2.

    2. Minadin   2 years ago

      Maybe with a torch?

  52. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

    Though I appreciate a passion for slashing the size of government, Vivek Ramaswamy is not in fact full of very many good ideas. He always gives high-school-sophomore-in-debate-club vibes:

    I would add this one rule to civil service protections.

    -Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court has the absolute, unlimited discretion to fire any employee, or dismiss any contractor, within their respective branch of government, for any reason whatsoever or for no reason.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      Though I appreciate a passion for slashing the size of government, Vivek Ramaswamy is not in fact full of very many good ideas. He always gives high-school-sophomore-in-debate-club vibes:

      Wait'll you see the vibes the sitting president gives off.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        Depends on the type of shampoo you use.

        1. R Mac   2 years ago

          “Depends”

          Haha.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      That seems to give too much credit to the state of high school debate.

      1. Dillinger   2 years ago

        I'll argue "pro".

  53. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    Do you guys remember this?

    Four Years Ago, Trump Had No Clue Who Iran’s Suleimani Was. Now He May Have Kicked Off WWIII.

    Yeah, I remember that.

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      Pepperidge Farms remembers. And fatties remember Pepperidge Farms.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

        I always figured Jeffy to be more of a store-brand Nabisco guy. More crap cheap.

        1. Chumby   2 years ago

          Socialist Tea biscuits?

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      God, the hand-wringing and face-fanning that took place when that happened was hilariously over the top. The local NPR station had a piece a couple days later about a "model UN" event where these stupid teenagers that were interviewed were freaking out about it. One of them said he had a friend who was reconsidering joining the Air Force because he didn't want to go to war. No wonder the modern military is so fucked up, because it's populated by mouth-breathers like this who see the military as just another left-wing social club instead of an actual fighting force that might have to kill people and be killed.

    3. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      Turns out, General Suleimani was no Archduke Ferdinand.

      Still, I think Trump was incredibly lucky that Iran immediately shot down its own airliner in response.

  54. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    This is a gem I hadn't seen before. I might expect this from an Oberlin college student, but from the world opinions editor
    @washingtonpost
    ?

    I don't know who this David Berenstein is, but he's clearly been asleep since 2014.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago (edited)

      If I were in a more cranky mood today, this would have me enraged, but instead I just find it amusing. Again, no idea who Berenstein is, but he clearly suffers from the disease that so many center-left, fence-sitting normie retards suffer:

      Oh, it’s just college kids [oberlin students], they’ll grow out of it, man! Quit fighting kulturwarhurrdurrr.

      Everyone believes that until their HR department is spewing this stuff and then they kind of sort of start to wake up.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

        Oh, it’s just college kids [oberlin students], they’ll grow out of it, man! Quit fighting kulturwarhurrdurrr.

        That’s also the center-right in a nutshell.

        Everyone believes that until their HR department is spewing this stuff and then they kind of sort of start to wake up.

        Or they adopt Stockholm Syndrome and make excuses for it.

        The real irony of The Matrix is that it was created by a couple of coomer troons that serves a great primer on how mainstream politics functions, which their side fully controls:
        “You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

      The hilarious part of Berenstein’s education is that tweet was making its rounds among the alt-right boards waaaaaaaaaaay back when it was first issued.

      He’s only just noticing this now because it’s HIS people currently being targeted for the mass struggle session.

      Also, being at WaPo, Attiah's primarly just a surveillance state mouthpiece.

    3. mad.casual   2 years ago (edited)

      I don’t know who this David Berenstein is, but he’s clearly been asleep since 2014.

      He’s the parallel universe’s David Berenstein, he fled the antisemitism in his own universe in 2014 when, coincidentally, the David Berenstain in our universe died and no one noticed the switch… until now.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        From a politically moderate Jewish student at an elite law school: “I'm doing better right now than my Jewish friends on the left. They are truly adrift. They look around and see their lefty friends celebrating the massacre of Jews, and they know that they are completely and utterly alone.”

        So get out of the boat with them.

        "And look like a Republican? No thanks, I'll continue to wear the mask."

  55. Truthteller1   2 years ago

    Who fucking cares. Level the place.

  56. Chumby   2 years ago

    Cool Ranch Doritos with a spicy ranch dip for extra flavor.

    1. Aloysious   2 years ago

      They need a splash of hot sauce.

    2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      "Ooh! That mayonnaise is too spicy on my Wonder Bread!"
      --Emily from Mystery Science Theater 3000 using a Wy P Po Minnesota-ism.
      🙂
      😉

  57. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

    "Trump will unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to implement the most spectacular migration crackdown"

    Great! It sounds like a good start.

    1. mtrueman   2 years ago

      " It sounds like a good start."

      His 4 years of swamp draining was such an inspiration.
      Bolton? Drained.
      Tillerson? Drained.
      Mattis? Drained.
      Trump drained his entire hand picked cabinet several times over during his tenure as president.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

        That is correct. AS it turned out, it was hard to find someone to hire who was also interested in draining the swamp. Sort of a self-selecting group when you hire inside the beltway.

        1. mtrueman   2 years ago

          "when you hire inside the beltway."

          How's the decidedly outside the beltway legal team he's recently been hiring? Are you impressed by the caliber of his choices?

  58. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    This is a gem I hadn't seen before. I might expect this from an Oberlin college student, but from the world opinions editor @washingtonpost?

    Dumb cunt probably went to Oberlin... or Columbia... or Harvard... or... who am I kidding, all "elite" universities are interchangeable at this point

  59. A Cynical Asshole   2 years ago

    Disappointing exactly zero people, Tim Scott has made the decision to suspend his presidential campaign.

    Plug's probably pretty disappointed. How's he gonna satisfy that urge to spew racist garbage that's always lurking just below the surface without Tim Scott?

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

      You mean just above the surface.

  60. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   2 years ago

    "The immigration legal activists won't know what's happening."

    I don't understand this collection of words and syllables.

    Immigration activists who are activists in the area of the law? Activists pushing for legal immigration?

  61. Chumby   2 years ago

    Hostess cupcakes dipped in eggnog.

    1. Dillinger   2 years ago (edited)

      Dolly Madison made better Hostess stuff than Hostess did there was a bakery in my grandma’s town in Kansas but there was also an IBP plant so it either smelled like bakery or slaughtery dependent on where you stood

      1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        Of course, the absolute worst was Little Debby.

        1. mad.casual   2 years ago

          White label Jewel/Kroger/IGA "mini donuts" that came in the same 18" plastic bags you bought loaves of bread in.

    2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      "You'll Get A Big Delight in Every Bite..."
      --The Hostess slogan found in comic books, though depending on the type of "nog," they could also use it in Maxim Magazine.
      🙂
      😉

  62. Chumby   2 years ago

    Tim Horton’s Timbits

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

      Much better than Jeffbits.

  63. mad.casual   2 years ago

    LOL:

    In demonstration of Pro-Palestinian solidarity, woman crashes car into Black Hebrew Israelites Center.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      Progressive heads explode trying to decide whose side they're on.

    2. Chumby   2 years ago

      They’ll blame Trump. The report said it was a car so they can’t even play the SUV card.

    3. Michael Ejercito   2 years ago

      She must answer to this scandalous accusation in a court of law.

  64. Chumby   2 years ago (edited)
    1. The Margrave of Azilia   2 years ago

      Sounds like you got overenthusiastic with your self-editing.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        It's Chumby's version of Paul Harvey's famous pregnant pause before saying:

        "...Good Day!"
        🙂
        😉

    2. mad.casual   2 years ago

      I didn't get this pun.

  65. Disolv   2 years ago

    Not what I expected from a site called "reason" dot com, bunch of trolls, racists, and genocide supporters.

    1. ObviouslyNotSpam   2 years ago

      It's about what you might expect from any low-traffic comment section where the proprietors have forsworn any discernible attempts to moderate.

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