Hamas Tunnels Under Hospitals
Plus: Trump's immigration crackdown, housewives and groceries, QAnon Shaman update, and more...

Hospitals encircled: In Gaza City, Israeli forces have surrounded several hospitals, including Al Shifa, which Israeli intelligence says is strategically situated above critical Hamas tunnels used by the terrorist group to conduct its operations. Other hospitals threatened by advancing Israeli troops include Al Quds, Rantisi, and Al Nasr. Two of the hospitals (Rantisi and Al Nasr) were successfully evacuated whereas the others (Al Quds and Al Shifa) have endured power outages from bombardment that have threatened doctors' abilities to provide life-saving care to patients.
According to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), Hamas tunnels are not only located under hospitals—using civilians as human shields and making it harder to actually target terrorists—but also siphon away electricity, diverting it away from patients in need and toward Hamas' own evil ends.
Israeli intelligence officials have shared evidence of these tunnels and their locations, most notably situated below Al Shifa, with the U.S. government and with American journalists. Intelligence officials at home "are confident that Hamas has used tunnel networks under hospitals, in particular Al Shifa, for command and control areas as well as for weapons storage," according to The New York Times.
Al Shifa is no longer functioning as a hospital, according to United Nations officials, because conditions are so bad that people no longer receive competent medical care. Power outages killed six people, including two premature babies, over the weekend, according to the Gazan health ministry (which is controlled by Hamas and thus unreliable). Decomposing corpses, which have not been stored properly, are sitting in the hospital courtyard, where they could spread diseases.
The U.S. conducts airstrikes: Yesterday, the American military conducted airstrikes on Iran-backed forces in eastern Syria. Though not the first of its kind in recent weeks, many report that this is an escalation conducted in response to increasingly frequent strikes on U.S. soldiers in the region.
Pentagon officials say that Iranian proxies have conducted 41 attacks on U.S. bases and facilities in Syria and Iraq since the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel. The American strikes conducted over the weekend hit a training camp and a safe house.
Trump's horrible immigration plans: Over the weekend, The New York Times published a long investigative feature detailing Donald Trump's immigration policy plans for if he wins a second presidential term. They're essentially an escalation of his first-term agenda and would involve trampling all over due process and expelling massive numbers of people from the country.
"Trump wants to revive his first-term border policies, including banning entry by people from certain Muslim-majority nations and reimposing a Covid 19-era policy of refusing asylum claims — though this time he would base that refusal on assertions that migrants carry other infectious diseases like tuberculosis," reports the Times.
"He plans to scour the country for unauthorized immigrants and deport people by the millions per year" and "the visas of foreign students who participated in anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian protests would be canceled" while people with "undesirable attitudes"—according to the administration—would not be granted visas in the first place. Temporary protected status recipients would have their protections revoked and be forced to return to the countries they came from.
Trump would allegedly do all of this by redirecting the military budget toward immigration enforcement.
"Any activists who doubt President Trump's resolve in the slightest are making a drastic error: Trump will unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to implement the most spectacular migration crackdown," former White House aide Stephen Miller, who engineered much of Trump's first-term policy, told the Times. "The immigration legal activists won't know what's happening."
Scenes from New York:
Markets in everything (but the idea of listening to amateur DJs makes me want to die).
QUICK HITS
- Caitlin Flanagan escaped timeshare hell (and wrote about it).
- Disappointing exactly zero people, Tim Scott has made the decision to suspend his presidential campaign.
- More on that Nord Stream blast.
- QAnon Shaman running for office as a Libertarian, natch.
- Very good comparison:
The average hourly wage in 1947 was about $1 per hour, meaning it took 12.5 hours to buy these groceries. With 12.5 hours of work at the average wage ($29) today, you would have $350 -- more than enough for 2 weeks of groceries pic.twitter.com/88bqroen2v
— Jeremy 'adjusted for inflation' Horpedahl ???? (@jmhorp) November 12, 2023
- Though I appreciate a passion for slashing the size of government, Vivek Ramaswamy is not in fact full of very many good ideas. He always gives high-school-sophomore-in-debate-club vibes:
On Day 1, *instantly* fire 50% of federal bureaucrats.
Here's how: if your SSN ends in an odd number, you're fired.
That downsizes government by half. Absolutely *nothing* will break as a result.
It doesn't violate civil service rules because mass layoffs are exempt.
SHUT IT…
— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) November 12, 2023
- What exactly is this Washington Post editor calling for?
This is a gem I hadn't seen before. I might expect this from an Oberlin college student, but from the world opinions editor @washingtonpost? pic.twitter.com/m1fXnb7dBg
— David Bernstein (@ProfDBernstein) November 12, 2023
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Fuck Joe Biden
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Fuck Joe Biden
Fuck Donald Trump
Fuck Obama
Fuck Bush
Fuck Clinton
Fuck Team Blue
Fuck Team Red
Fuck the ossified corrupt duopoly that has controlled our politics for far too long.
Poor Jeff. Can’t manage to navigate life in a successful fashion.
It was a rather weak attempt at a boaf sidez to chaff and redirect away from miserable failures of the Biden (D) administration. Excuses are like asses and phlegmjeff’s are humongous.
And with that, Jeffy's already left some turds big enough to match his ass here.
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All Hail Thane of Madi! I didn’t know Shakespeare's Macbeth had a Shia Muslim character.
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ChemJeff has multiple humungous asses?
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That might explain a lot about Jeffy.
Triple asses and quintuple chins.
Maths equation:
Double Stuff Oreos + Triple Bacon Cheeseburger =
Quintuple Chins
2 + 3 = 5
Damn! That's getting on as many Chins as Chinatown!
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More Chins than a Chinese phone book.
I congratulated him on losing some weight and instead of thanking me he attacked me.
He should lose some more and decapitate himself.
Dr. Benny Hill's way if getting rid of 10 pounds of ugly fat.
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You were expecting him to scale back the rhetoric?
Come on, we all knew that Jeffy would weigh in on this subject.
Recall when Jared from Subway stopped feeding his food addiction…
Has anyone ever seen Jared and Jeffy in the same room together?
Come to think about it.....
No.
My theory is that Jeffy is the hundreds of pounds of lard liposuctioned off Jared. Now taking on an even more malignant life of its own. And even more pro pedo.
I picture Jeffy as multiple bags of pig lard, stuffed in a massively oversized man child suit.
Jeff only meant two of those, but for the rest of the day he'll point to that to prove he's totes nonpartisan when people start pointing out he's shilling for the Democrats.
Just watch.
"He always gives high-school-sophomore-in-debate-club vibes:"
Liz didn't realize she summoned Jeffie. Its his hallmark after all
That's gonna take a lot of blue pills.
Pretty much. But you left off "pineapple pizza" and "late night show 'comedians'."
Not with Jackie's dick. Is she here?
https://twitter.com/DolioJ/status/1724044455253061645?t=az5EinaZK74P-h3qHTodww&s=19
In case you didn't know, we're already in the wider regional war.
I'll ask the question again, what's the legal basis for this base?
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There is no legal basis for the US to be in Syria. Congress has not approved.
Neither has Syria.
https://twitter.com/fentasyl/status/1723942686191657335?t=J7hjHu9qjYoOGo1hxM0wrQ&s=19
The euphemism white flight is widely used in the corporate media & is taught in US Public School Civil Rights Era curriculum.
With this dataset, it becomes clear that this derisive term was invented to blame the victims of a campaign that would be called "pogroms" had they happened in Russia.
Overlaying it on the frequency the term "white flight" was published in the English language tells much of the story.
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In Gaza City, Israeli forces have surrounded several hospitals...
They just can't let hospitals alone! I wonder why that is...
They're after all the cute nurses.
Nothing sexier than scrubs and a burhka
Somehow we went from M*A*S*H to rule 34 here.
Between “Hot Lips” and Klinger, M*A*S*H was already fulfilling Rule 34.
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Yesterday, the American military conducted airstrikes on Iran-backed forces in eastern Syria.
It's not fair that the US doesn't have its own proxy in this fight.
The start of WW IV?
I thought we were up to WW VI now. According to the left, Trump started III, IV, and V.
Stop using Roman numerals.
Math is racist, and the Romans were white, so this is double racist.
Think of the children!
When we get there, will WW Xi be allowed or are we going with WW Frumpticron or similar?
The argument could be made that both the 7 Years War and the Napoleonic Wars should also be counted as world wars.
Very true, as can the American Revolution - parts were fought between Britain and France in India of all places.
The mandatory vaxxing attempt was WW IV.
Ackshully the US Gubmint has 95% dumb voters, taxpayers and soldiers to use as proxies. You don't see Marjorie Greene-Teeth handling a military rifle outside of the vids she records for Klan rallies. In Alas Babylon, by "Pat Frank," a U.S jet pilot chases a bogie, lets fly a missile and the damned thing deflects and chases a locomotive exhaust instead of the Syrian-piloted jet if memory serves. Not long afterward Orlando is flattened and glows in the dark, along with lots of other places. Not sure who Pat Frank was, but his training shows.
Got any actual citations and links for that, Hank?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD
My goodness, you do paint a frightening picture, hank!
Ummm, I think, anyway. Maybe not. Hard to say.
Why are you girl bullying MTG?
...reimposing a Covid 19-era policy of refusing asylum claims — though this time he would base that refusal on assertions that migrants carry other infectious diseases like tuberculosis," reports the Times.
Has the Times already forgotten we're in the middle of a pandemic???
10M illegals in three years should qualify as a pandemic.
Just sayin'
Almost juan million illegals per quarter.
https://twitter.com/BonifaceOption/status/1724083214128488591?t=pfZqNmEjWzgIJDOe0j9YHg&s=19
A 100% chance the Justice Department’s Special Antiracism Unit talked to the victim’s father and was told to read the script or else.
Not an outlandish theory. This is literally what they do.
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Same thing happened when the illegal immigrant killed Mollie Tibbets a few years ago--her dad put out this pathetic missive that literally called them "Iowans with better food."
Just another example of how leftists think self-mortification will provide them with salvation to the marxist religion.
" literally called them “Iowans with better food.”"
Why is it always food with people like that? They always fall back to that for some reason, I don't get it.
the food in Iowa is not the problem.
Their whole existence is wrapped up in an ideal of hedonistic indulgence.
Because food is the only broadly appealing thing immigrants en masse offer.
Right, because broadly, refugees should be a humanitarian concern & the idea that we should somehow justify their presence to xenophobes by demonstrating that, yes, they do produce value, is silly. They deserve to be here, and often more than you do.
they are economic refugees… and as such should be subject to the laws of the country they are forcing themselves on.
they are not [the vast, vast, vaaaaassst majority] here because of mal-treatment or war in their home state
TLDR – they dont get to play the sympathy card
hmmm just noticed a similarity to Hammas hiding behind civilians
illegal aliens are hiding behind the welfare of the children they force into the terrible situation of being muled across the border by a bunch of coyotes.
Let's be honest, White people are not hated for their food. It's the deeply ingrained attitudes of racial supremacy and settlerist entitlement.
It's so weird to me that half this country actively wants you to be a racist, to embrace collective punishment & victim blaming, and then when you won't do that bc you consider it unjust, they get mad, and call you some kind of a sissy.
Maybe try not being racist and you'll feel like you fight less losing battles.
...people with "undesirable attitudes"—according to the administration—would not be granted visas in the first place.
On paper that's going to sell.
Got no problem with that.
Coming here is a privilege. We are under zero obligation to say "yes" to everybody.
Right. I read Reason's description of Trump's proposed policy, and it sounds pretty good.
You're not the least bit curious about what would constitute an "undesirable attitude"?
I do not feel comfortable with that requirement. Giving government officials the ability to ideologically screen the population rarely ends well.
Ronald Reagan did it in 1986, and the courts quit delaying it 01OCT1987, just in time for the Crash that--to Republicans--had nothing to do with keepng hippies out of the government, or seizing Panamanian Banks, or the Wright Omnibus Drug bill complete with amendments by Sen. John F Kerry and Sen. Mitch McConnell, or Congressman Lundgren's faith-based asset-forfeiture rider, or the International Conference on Drug Abuse and Illicit Trafficking in Vienna, Austria. Christian National Socialist dogma also ignores the wave of "tax evasion" cases against important traders in South America worsen the depression. That's all coincidence.
Hank, can you translate that from Retard into English?
They don't have the power to "ideologically screen the population", but they certainly have the power to "ideologically screen immigrants". They have had that power for at least a century. And there is nothing wrong with that power.
So, immigrants should not have equal rights as natural born citizens? Sounds like a naked power grab by White Nationalists. They see America not as the hot mess that it is, but as a White nation beseiged by Brown and Black people.
I'll take "Strawman or Projection?" for $100, Alex.
That's exactly what this is about.
It is already a requirement regarding support of terrorist organizations. Just not being enforced.
"Terrorist" is a poorly defined word. More State Department tomfoolery and witch hunting.
Which explains why they didn't say "we're going to enforce the existing rules"...
Trumps immigration plan sounds... Exactly like what a serious country would do
Disappointing exactly zero people, Tim Scott has made the decision to suspend his presidential campaign.
He was just too beautiful for this world.
Another black face of white supemecy
https://twitter.com/ploughmansfolly/status/1704857968104378527?t=wIwjJbsTPoOWf3GIYqv09g&s=19
In case you were wondering why the script is always the same, grieving relatives of white people killed by non-whites receive visitation and instruction from the Department of Justice’s ‘Community Relations Service’, which is trained to use moral guilt to coerce these statements.
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I wonder why George Floyd’s family didn’t get the same message.
Well, not really.
Honestly, if that happened to a family member of mine for the same reason, any government official showing up at my door to tell me to read those kinds of statements wouldn't be coming home that night.
Yes, if any victim's family were to come out with a call to racial violence, we could see yet another riot by White, racist Americans.
Pluggo hardest hit.
He had a horse, manacles and a noose all ready to go and now they’re useless. He was already dreaming of the backpats from the plantation owners as he dragged the "lawn jockey" back to the quarters.
All gone now.
I can think of one poster quite upset that Scott won't be there for him to pull his Step 'n' Fetchit nonsense on.
Looking at the bottom comments --- I called that. Perfectly.
Makes me think Liz doesn't actually read the comments... or, perhaps she doesn't consider Buttplug to be people.
Tim Scott's girlfriend hardest hit . . . in that there is no longer any reason for her to exist.
Carry on, clingers.
Fuck off, clinger.
That's "Fuck Off, Klinger!"
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Tim Scott’s girlfriend hardest hit
One less modeling job = one more unemployed.
I can see it now - (before the debate):
"Let's get Timmye a beard - if that doesn't work it means they just don't like his skin color."
Plugly is all for homosexuality unless it's wearing an (R) and then he's suddenly Pat Robertson's grandfather.
Imagine what he thinks of gay black republicans.
I'm sure he thinks about them all the time.
-jcr
Maybe he can call Cory Booker and get Rosie Perez's number?
It was [even more confoundingly] Rosario Dawson, i believe
I’m sure Pluggo will be making a plethora of racist attacks on Senator Scott soon.
I like Scott personally but his campaign simply wasn't capable of catching fire. He says he is not open at this time to being VP, but I think that he should really consider it if offered. He would mop the floor with Kamala, and put him in the driver's seat of a future run.
If Trump runs, no sane person will volunteer for VP or for any political position in his administration; the abuses of power by Democrats have seen to that.
In fact, it will be hard to get people to join any Republican administration, given the kind of revenge Democrats will enact on any member of a Republican administration.
"...whereas the others (Al Quds and Al Shifa) have endured power outages from bombardment that have threatened doctors' abilities to provide life-saving care to patients..."
Tell the Hamas forces to allow the hospitals to tap into their power sources.
They were supposed to run out of fuel about 30 days ago.
Just imagine if they were trying to flatten the curve.
They were supposed to be drinking sea water just a few of days after October 7. Everyone in Gaza should have all died of kidney failure by now.
They were supposed to unconditionally surrender.
"Al Shifa is no longer functioning as a hospital, according to United Nations officials"
Well, then it's a legit target. Bombs away.
Can't they just pump some Zyklon B into the tunnels?
They probably already have some at the hospital.
Your indifference to genocide is sickening. The world will remember, this is how the average Western centrist felt. Just like we remember every Nazi supporting civilian from ww2.
I think you're confused / mistaken about which side in this conflict shares the most in common with the Nazis.
I think you may be overestimating the number of "average Western centrists" represented in the Reason comments section...
Can't China send them some solar panels and windmills?
This is simply factually incorrect, and insinuates that Gazans should be collectively punished for their "support of Hamas" (aka, for resisting Israel)
Israel does not have a right to exist, because its existence is predicated on the expulsion or execution of native peoples.
Er, it does under international law.
More on that Nord Stream blast.
It was Biden's handlers. They hate pipelines.
You're going to need to be more clear about which Biden, handlers, and pipelines. Burisma hates pipelines running from Russia to Europe outside the Ukraine, yes.
So glad the lose of black chicks never lead to anything bad
QAnon Shaman running for office as a Libertarian, natch.
He's got my vote, but only if he legally changes his name to that.
No, wait, scratch that. Illegally changes his name to that.
I won’t vote for him. He’s trying to tie Religion and State. And Ju-Ju doesn't deregulate and cut taxes and spending
Hey everyone this guy is an edgy atheist.
See no one cares.
He should also be able to wear his shaman raiment. There's no dress code now, right?
Turns out his only crime was walking into Congress a few years too early.
Well, that is true. And Fetterman would also look fitting dressed as Michelangelo's version of God, since he is just as bumbling in his pronouncements.
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I’ll donate to his campaign and I don’t even live in AZ.
The average hourly wage in 1947 was about $1 per hour, meaning it took 12.5 hours to buy these groceries.
Every time I set foot in the grocery store today it seems like half a day wasted.
And that's just searching for the new locations of the various goods.
Chart regarding grocery price inflation. Early 2020 to present is a bit eye-opening.
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/average-prices-for-selected-grocery-store-items-2015-present/
I noticed this past weekend that eggs were more or less back to normal, or at least within the range of normal.
Yeah, it's been weird. At one point, they were about $5/dozen. Now, at my local Meijer, they're back to $1.19/dozen. Pre-Covid, I think they could be less than $1/dozen.
Chickens were culled due to a disease. The large producers were hit hardest. At one point, my small, local chicken ranch had other producers begging to buy their hens at stupid high prices, though they refused.
Anyway, chickens mature super fast, so the flocks are completely restored now. Prices are back to normal here, too.
On average a layer lives about 13 months. Can start laying around 3 to 4 months old. Yeah, poultry, and to a slightly lesser extent pork, (a gilt starts cycling around 3 months old and can have three litters a year, average litter in a commercial facility is around 9) can increase size fairly quickly. Cattle on the other hand, and sheep and goats to a lesser degree, take quite awhile to increase. Generally a beef cow will breed slightly after her first birthday (although she will likely start cycling around 6-8 months, so dairies usually start trying to breed them around 9-12 months). With a nine month gestation, she'll calve for the first time around her second birthday, and rarely have more than one calf (in fact, we try to avoid twins as much as possible, via culling). Sheep and goats will usually breed around six months old (generally most commercial meat breeds are short day breeders so they'll kid or lamb in the spring and breed the following fall). Generally, twins are desirable, though some breeds of sheep can have up to nine lambs at a time, but this creates several different complications, thus twins are the target of most sheep and goats producers. This means goats and sheep can replace numbers quicker than cattle but far less quickly than poultry or pork. Due to drought and high feed and fuel prices, the national cattle herd size has been depressed for several years, and now that calf prices are (unrealistically) high (although, most of us are still barely breaking even due to the outrageously high input costs the last two years) demand for breeding stock has also increased and driven those prices through the roof. Of course the best time to expand your herd size is when the price cycle (generally a five year cycle, see explanation of breeding cycle) is at its nadir, but it is hard to convince your banker such when calf prices are at or below break even.
Also, it looks like in my lifetime, we've only had 12 total months of double-digit grocery price inflation, and all of them were in a row, the past 2 years, under this administration.
Per the St. Louis fed data, 1.237/hr for manufacturing, 1.29/hr for durable goods.
https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/title/employment-earnings-60/august-1960-20153/gross-hours-earnings-production-workers-manufacturing-340949
So, less than 10 hours but still more than a work day. I'd like to see what the average NET income was, not just the gross before taxes, since taxation has changed so much.
What were housing prices like relative to income?
Just for grins, I did the math on the Great Gatsby last year. Remember the narrator lived in a house on the sound, with a huge lawn down to the water, next to a giant mansion out on Long Island. Convert the rent to 2023 dollars and it was about $1500 a month.
Found this. https://cdn-0.inflationdata.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Inf-adj-Housing-Prices-6-2022.png
According to the data here, national house priced are inflation adjusted twice what they've been since about the 1990s, about triple what they were in 1947, though that was the end of a long period of low prices in the 20s through the depression and war, so that's anomalous.
Still, roughly double nationally.
The fictional narrator, living in a fictional house, with a fictional lawn, next to a fictional mansion on Long Island?
And it was really $1,500 a month, you say...
Bent-and-dent salvage and thrift stores are the way to go for both prices and lack of crowds. You can even get gourmet brands for cheap too. (And never mind bent or out-of date cans. If they aren't bloated or leaking, they are still good and I've had no problem with taste or quality either.)
On Day 1, *instantly* fire 50% of federal bureaucrats.
Only if he has the stones.
Hi Liz, can you tell me what’s wrong with vivakes plan? Other than the fact that's it's far too restrictive
Not seeing the problem, either. We have WAY too many government employees as is. We need to whittle them down significantly.
Vivek's plan was stupid for not including the evens.
Umm six weeks ago he was at 75% reductions. At this rate, he will be adding more by election day.
It would be nice if he would propose a systematic plan for reducing the government. The "instantly fire half" is too unserious, and he can't really be pinned down on what it means.
From which departments?
Will all the current agencies continue to exist, just at half-strength?
Etc.
There's no way he will follow through on this, on the off-chance that he actually gets elected.
There’s no way he will follow through on this, on the off-chance that he actually gets elected.
They'd kill him. And blame it on a white supremist.
But I thought he was the Indian face of white supremacy?
Don't tell the white supremacists. (D)
All departments, all agencies.
The plan is pretty clear to me, and less vague than the rules these agencies put out.
My plan would be easier, if your agency employees people that carry, and it's not the marshals or the military, you agency is gone and you are barred from all federal employment.
I think it's nice that this website provides a place at which disaffected anti-government cranks can huddle for warmth and experience synthetic relevance.
Carry on, clingers . . . but, as always, only so far as your betters permit.
Project much, Kirkland?
They also provide a place where gestapo wannabees can express their hatred for people capable of living their own lives.
You’re going to be very disappointed in the near future, when neoliberals are killed by the mongrels you invited.
"this website provides a place at which disaffected anti-government cranks"
Kirkland is as libertarian as Jeffy I see.
Don't worry, Arty, the way your buck-broken allies are eating each other over the Israel/Palestine conflict, you might end up getting clapped by one of your own, insh'Allah.
Carry on, hicklib.
“I think it’s nice that this website provides a place at which disaffected anti-government cranks can huddle for warmth and experience synthetic relevance.”
So when Trump is back in charge, that will be YOU.
Think about that you dumb bitch.
According to a report released by the Government Accountability Office in 2018, the IRS has been stockpiling ammunition and weapons for years. As of 2018, the agency had 4,487 firearms and 5,062,006 rounds of ammunition in its inventory, the report said. The IRS purchased more than $700,000 in ammunition in recent days.
Forbes has been keeping tabs on this division for many years, and notes that in one 2-year period, agents had accidental discharges 11 times--which was more times than they fired their weapons intentionally in the field. Their arsenal includes fully automatic weapons. One might be forced to wonder: why does the IRS need this level of firepower when the Treasury Department already includes the Secret Service? And when the agency could tap the FBI or US Marshals Service, ATF, or DEA as may be most applicable to their target's proclivities?
Some of these go back to the Obama years.
The Gun-Toting IRS (forbes.com)
The Statutory Problem With IRS Firearms (forbes.com)
IRS Has 4,500 Guns, 5 Million Rounds Ammunition: Paying Taxes? (forbes.com)
Why Are Federal Bureaucrats Buying Guns And Ammo? $158 Million Spent By Non-Military Agencies (forbes.com)
As for the IRS, one might see that *perhaps* there is some need for armed IRS agents. But armed Department of Education agents? Armed FDA agents? Armed USDA agents?
Heritage.org:
Add the U.S. Department of Education to the list of federal agencies that can invade your home at gunpoint and hold you and your family in custody for hours.
Kenneth Wright learned this the hard way last week, when federal "education" agents busted down the front door of his Stockton, Calif., home at 6 in the morning.
"They surrounded the house; it was like a task force or SWAT team," a neighbor told a national news affiliate. "They all had guns. They dragged him out in his boxer shorts, threw him to the ground and handcuffed him."
Wright's terrified children -- ages 3, 9 and 11 -- were forced to sit in a patrol car for two hours. Wright himself was in custody for six hours. "I felt really bad for those kids," a neighbor said.
Federal agents for the Education Department's inspector general executed a very broad search warrant and seized paperwork and a personal computer. Wright says the law enforcement agents -- who reportedly included 13 with the Education Department and one or two Stockton police officers -- told him they were investigating his estranged wife's use of federal aid for students. But she doesn't even live in his house.
A federal spokesman tried to distance the Education Department from the raid by emphasizing that the IG runs a "semi-independent office." But that begs the question of why a federal agency overseeing education policy should have an IG who can send agents armed with guns into Americans' homes. Or why the department has SWAT-style teams of agents to begin with.
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But the list includes dozens of federal agencies with no business training and fielding armed officers. Who wants early-morning armed break-ins by the Department of Agriculture, Railroad Retirement Board, Bureau of Land Management, Tennessee Valley Authority, Office of Personnel Management, and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service?
I wouldn’t shed a a tear of a bunch of Dept. of Ed. agents attempted to raid the wrong home and got put down.
Mostly the USDA armed agents are USFS law enforcement, and probably run a higher average threat level than armed IRS agents. If I had my druthers all federal law enforcement would be conducted by the Marshals and Postal Inspectors, you know like how it is spelled out in the Constitution. But USFS law enforcement will face danger far more often than IRS agents (drug cartels running illegal grows on forest service land, poachers, some of who can be very violent and who obviously are going to be armed in the commission of their crimes, drunk campers who have a high probability of being armed etc).
Also, APHIS is ran through USDA and they deal with the illegal animals trade, and some of those smugglers have a propensity for violence. APHIS can also be involved in criminal investigations of rustling, and modern day rustling is as violent sometimes as in the days of the frontier. Rustling tends more often to be investigated by local jurisdictions but often is interstate operating rings.
From Forbes again:
What’s curious, however, is that traditionally administrative agencies spent more than $20 million. Four notable examples:
1) The 2,300 Special Agents at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) are allowed to carry AR-15’s, P90 tactical rifles, and other heavy weaponry. Recently, the IRS armed up with $1.2 million in new ammunition. This was in addition to the $11 million procurement of guns, ammunition, and military-style equipment procured between 2006-2014.
2) The Small Business Administration (SBA) spent tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars to load its gun locker with Glocks last year. The SBA wasn’t alone – the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service modified their Glocks with silencers.
3) The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has a relatively new police force. In 1996, the VA had zero employees with arrest and firearm authority. Today, the VA has 3,700 officers, armed with millions of dollars’ worth of guns and ammunition including AR-15's, Sig Sauer handguns, and semi-automatic pistols.
4) Meanwhile, Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) agents carry the same sophisticated weapons platforms used by our Special Forces military warriors. The HHS gun locker is housed in a new “National Training Operations Center” – a facility at an undisclosed location within the DC beltway.
Spending on guns and ammo at 58 non-military federal agencies – including 40 regulatory, administrative agencies – amounted to $158 million.
The continued growth of the federal arsenal begs the question: Just whom are the feds planning to battle?
More examples of agencies amassing firepower over the last two years:
Loading the Gun Locker – Federal agencies spent $44 million on guns, including an “urgent” order for 20 M-16 Rifles with extra magazines at the Department of Energy ($49,559); shotguns and Glock pistols at the General Services Administration ($16,568); and a bulk order of pistols, sights, and accessories by the Bureau of Reclamation whose main job is to build dams, power plants, and canals ($697,182).
Buying Bullets in Bulk – The government spent $114 million on ammunition, including bulk purchases by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) ($66,927); the Smithsonian ($42,687); and the Railroad Retirement Board ($6,941). The Social Security Administration spent $61,129 on bullets including 50,000 rounds of ammunition plus 12-gauge buckshot and slug ammo.
The EPA special agents purchased ammunition for their .357 and 9mm revolvers and buckshot for their shotguns. While Bernie Sanders claimed that the biggest adversary to the United States was climate change, the EPA stood ready to fight in ways we couldn’t have imagined.
Hollow-Point Bullets – Despite being outlawed by the Geneva Convention, federal agencies spent $426,268 on hollow-point bullets, including orders from the Forest Service, National Park Service, Office of Inspector General, Bureau of Fiscal Service, as well as Drug Enforcement Administration, U.S. Marshals, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Every one of these agencies should be disarmed.
One motive is that each gun the feds buy is a gun a citizen can't buy.
Sort of market-place gun control.
But yeah, no agency beyond the U. S. Marshal's Office and the Treasury guys on protective details really need guns of any kind.
Kinda makes you wonder if all these feds were disarmed, the cities might get safer, because they wouldn't go to work with the current crime rates.
Forbes should learn there are a dearth of 9mm revolvers. They exist but not many. Likely .357 magnum for revolvers and the rimless cartridge 9 mm parabellum for semi-auto pistols.
> there are a dearth of 9mm revolvers. They exist but not many.
Of course there aren't many out there. The EPA bought them all up!
I was at a gun show once years ago and there was a 9mm revolver for sale. I didn't *need* another gun, didn't need to spend the money on a gun at the time, but went back to that table like 5 times. Didn't buy it, but still kinda wish I had, just to have a backup wheel gun chambered in the round that I have piles of.
If you listen to his long form podcasts he has stated a more detailed plan. He has quite a few. Know he discussed it with Dave Smith as well as Tim Pool.
Twitter and debates aren't the form to do what you ask.
Half isn't enough.
"The New York Times published a long investigative feature detailing Donald Trump's immigration policy plans for if he wins a second presidential term."
Haven't read it., but does anyone actually believe that the New York Times politruks and commisars will be even remotely honest?
How much you want to bet they conflate opposition to illegal immigration with legal, just like our Reasonistas and fifty-centers constantly do here for argument purposes.
Also, why do you need investigative journalism to suss out what Trump loudly proclaims every time he's near a microphone? The man's incapable of keeping a secret.
That article is going to be full of allusions to dogwhistles and secret agendas, isn't it?
It is, but every point in the article makes me like trumps plan more and more. It has jems like "trump want to suspend and limit h1b visas because companies favor foreigners over Americans". Yes that is correct, look at Amazon's laying off of 10k Americans then applying to Biden for h1b
"...Haven’t read it., but does anyone actually believe that the New York Times politruks and commisars will be even remotely honest?..."
Of course not, but Liz publishes it as if it were, so Liz has now more than qualified as yet one more TDS-addled shit pile.
Fuck off and die, Liz.
Haven’t read it., but does anyone actually believe that the New York Times politruks and commisars will be even remotely honest?
Facts are subjective things. So if you don't like someone's opinion then it's perfectly reasonable to reject their facts and replace them with your own.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
That is what insecure tribalists like ML do. They reject the facts that come from outside the tribe, and they only believe the claims that come from inside the tribe, even if the claims are false. Because they lack the critical thinking skills to judge truth from fiction themselves, so the way they judge truth from fiction is from its source. NYT=false, Fox News=true
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
Project much, Jeffy?
Does anyone here give a fuck about fox news?
Chem Jeff, sbp, and sarc do because they think the other commenters live and die by it
Fox News is a far bigger deal to leftist like Jeffy, Sarc and Pluggo than it is to anyone else. It’s always how inveterate leftists out themselves in an argument.
All the lefties like Lying Jeffy bring up Fox. I don’t recall anyone else citing Fox.
Very few seem to bring up Fox here unless it's a news story they have.
I’ve cited fox. But only for the factual information, not for opinions regarding said information as the NYT article does.
The problem is the sites jeff wants us to exclusively use dont do that, were part of censorship, and blindly push DNC narratives.
Note when Jeff criticizes a link he never discusses what is present. See just yesterday when he dismissed the actual numbers from NY Post. Every one of his criticism were answered in the article but he out of hand dismissed it.
When shrike posts media matters or Bloomberg, most of us go into the article because we know shrike is lying. Or when Jeff posts links to articles praising dark Brandon.
Jeff doesn't want you to see facts not acceptable to the left.
Yes, I should have been more specific re Fox.
not for opinions regarding said information as the NYT article does.
Here Jesse reveals that he didn't even read the NYT article.
The NYT article is a summarization of interviews with Trump campaign officials.
Do you want to point out in the article what is "an opinion regarding said information"?
See just yesterday when he dismissed the actual numbers from NY Post.
That is not true. You lie again. I did not dismiss the actual numbers. I criticized the misrepresentation of the statistics.
Every one of his criticism were answered in the article but he out of hand dismissed it.
Again, not true. No one addressed my biggest criticism, which was the propriety of the abuse of statistics as a headline on an article. You defend using sloppy and dishonest statistics to push a narrative because you agree with the narrative, when we all know you would mercilessly condemn the practice were the other side to do the same thing.
Jeff doesn’t want you to see facts not acceptable to the left.
YOU don't want people to see facts PERIOD, which is why you continually post biased and slanted opinion pieces under the guise of 'facts'. Tell us again how you don't cite opinion pieces and then turn around and cite an opinion piece from The Federalist.
“you would mercilessly condemn the practice were the other side to do the same thing.”
Speaking of which, what are your thoughts on what Democrats are doing to immigrants right now in NYC?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/migrants-refuse-to-stay-at-new-nyc-shelter-demand-new-accommodations/ar-AA1jR6TE
What, housing migrants in tent cities? I think I would need more information before I fire up my outrage meter. Is this a temporary solution or a permanent one? Did the city have advance notice of the bus arrival? Is this common practice? The article references a "right to shelter", does this right apply to these migrants, and does this tent city satisfy this right according to how it is interpreted in NYC?
Haha, perfect, thanks.
Lol.
The NYT article is a summarization of interviews with Trump campaign officials.
Right, and people have never incorrectly or dishonestly summarized anything. In fact, summaries are always more accurate than direct quotes.
Can you point out how this summary is incorrect and/or dishonest, if at all?
"I don’t recall anyone else citing Fox."
It's a good website. Full access without the need to subscribe. It's better than most sources in that regard. I recommend you give it a try. CNN is another example.
I wouldn't watch Fox News any more than I would watch MSNBC or CNN.
They have websites. They save a lot of time compared to TV news.
Good for you. I have not watched Fox News in at least a decade. I have very occasionally tuned in to CNN, usually when held captive at an airport. And I cannot even remember the last time I have watched MSNBC. That is about it for me as well.
You fit in an airline seat?
Cargo hold
One of those rack deals they use to haul tanks.
Only in a jumbo jet.
CNN pays airports to use their screed as musak
I think they have the skills. They just choose not to use them.
It's a choice between accepting objective reality or being shunned by their political tribe, and for many people the former is perfectly reasonable. We are social animals after all.
Alright, I'll tell you what.
You and your new friend Jeffy can go read the article (I'm betting neither of you clowns did) and then tell me how I'm wrong.
Only then can you two retarded trolls accuse me of tribalism.
All I’m saying is that there’s a difference between facts and opinion, but that line has become blurred to the point where many people can’t tell the difference. So they reject facts based upon political opinion. You know, like declaring that facts from certain publications are all lies because you don’t like the politics of their editors.
And I’m using an euphemistic “you” here unlike jeff, so don’t take what I say personally. Unless it’s applies to you. Then feel free.
Amusingly now the guy who claims opinions are facts is lecturing others on to r difference between opinions and facts.
I never made that claim. But you wouldn't have anything to argue against if you were forced to stick with the truth.
Of course you did. You claimed the elements ML disputes are facts. The fact that you stated this without even knowing what they are is on you, no one else.
It’s also instructive because it reveals how you accept anything from the NYT as factual even though you don’t know the fact itself much less its provenance. So we see your accepting information on a tribalism basis in the very comment you complain about other doing so
That would be surprising from many people, but not from sarc who has literally never applied there same standard to others that he applies to himself or his tribe.
He was in such a hurry to jump to his tribal buddy Lying Jeffy’s defense he didn’t bother determining if there were any actual facts to defend.
Yeah. Sure. That’s what I meant when I said “And I’m using an euphemistic “you” here unlike jeff, so don’t take what I say personally.”
He figured it out. But he's also a lot brighter than either of you two.
Reminder. Sarc and Jeff both rejected facts yesterday from a NY Post story regarding the number of illegals who applied for work permits.
Conce again sarc is projecting his own behaviors.
He was in such a hurry to jump to his tribal buddy Lying Jeffy’s defense he didn’t bother determining if there were any actual facts to defend.
For his purpose the existence of facts was irrelevant so why waste the time?
Correction:
But he’s also a lot brighter than
eitherany of youtwothree.Most alcoholics lie to themselves. You continue to do do. Why you'll fail at breaking your addiction.
Yet more evidence right here that Jesse is a piece of human garbage.
Most alcoholics lie to themselves. You continue to do do. Why you’ll fail at breaking your addiction.
I can see why so many people white knight for you. You truly are a class act. Like school at five in the morning.
Yet more evidence right here that Jesse is a piece of human garbage.
Popular opinion would say otherwise.
"Yet more evidence right here that Jesse is a piece of human garbage."
You want to hold a popularity contest between you and him to determine who everyone thinks the real is a piece of human garbage here is, Jeffy?
Tell you what, we'll give a hundred vote handicap to make it sporting.
Look what other piece of human garbage showed up.
You aren't a hero because you finally chose to be an adult at age 60.
You can choose not to be an asshole for criticizing a guy for making a positive life choice. But since you are a walking douchebag, that is what you do.
You can choose not to be an asshole for criticizing a guy for making a positive life choice. But since you are a walking douchebag, that is what you do.
You must've looked in a mirror before you typed that, Jeffy, as it describes you rather well.
"Look what other piece of human garbage showed up."
We'll do the vote with a hundred handicap with me too, Jeffy.
Seriously, name someone here aside from the pedo who doesn't think that your garbage. You're one of the most widely hated posters here, and yet you think you have the ability to cast shade.
I really don't care what you two pieces of human filth think of me.
That’s a lie.
How can a pure opinion of my own state of mind be a lie?
Oh wait, it is because when you accuse me of lying, you are not serious, you are just name calling!
the guy who claims opinions are facts
That would be Jesse.
I’d say you’re projecting, but you throw words around with such abandon, it’s useless to talk to you.
Really digging in to that "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense, huh? Fifty-cents is too much.
And I’m using an euphemistic “you” here unlike jeff, so don’t take what I say personally. Unless it’s applies to you. Then feel free.
Fair enough.
You and your new friend Jeffy can go read the article (I’m betting neither of you clowns did) and then tell me how I’m wrong.
No, asshat. YOU read the article and then YOU make an evidence-based claim that YOU defend. Don't make everyone else jump like a dancing monkey for you. You do your own damn work. Fuck you, you lazy cunt.
He cited the actual article, you lazy fat fuck. At least people will actually read through the links that shriek posts, because they always end up not saying what he claims they are.
You can't even be bothered to do that kind of minimal effort.
He cited the actual article,
LOL, ML's very first phrase is:
Haven’t read it., but...
Again. Just yesterday you and Jeff did that. Lol.
Notice how Jeffry (and sarc) underhandedly convert NYT opinions into facts to justify attacking others. Why if it weren’t for this they might have to deal with the substance of the NYT characterizations. Much better to simply attack the right in a way that focuses scrutiny away from the NYT. Of course this reveals their tribe and shows they are guilty of exactly what they attack others for.
Bonus points to Jeffey though since he complained about people doing exactly this just yesterday.
You've got that backasswards. I'm pointing out that many people on the right, like you for example, reject facts because you don't like the opinion of the source.
What facts are you talking about?
The usual: ideas!
Whenever I see the NYT reference on this forum, everything they say is rejected as being biased. Doesn't matter what it is.
What facts are you talking about?
Couldn't be because the NYT has a very long history of doing exactly that, sarc, now could it?
Can you separate opinion from fact? Editorials from news? Apples from oranges?
How about whiskey from bourbon?
Again we see sarc demanding others do what he does not.
Champagne from sparkling wine?
What's the factual difference between champagne and sparkling wine?
The difference between the two is the same as the difference between whiskey and bourbon: where it was produced.
What facts sarc?
How about evidence of Holodomor from stalinist propoganda?
The difference between the two is the same as the difference between whiskey and bourbon: where it was produced."
Well, that's factually inaccurate. Bourbon is a type (subset) of whisky (genre). There are other requirements to call a spirit 'bourbon' besides the location of the distillery. You can make a rye whisky all day long in Kentucky if you like, but you could never call it bourbon.
The difference between Palestinians blowing up their own hospital (parking lot), and Hamas propoganda? While stealth-changing the headline multiple times.
Which is no different than asserting everything in it is factual because it comes from the NYT. Revealingly though sarc only objects to one and openly engages in the other. He then pretends only others’ tribalism matters. Which is true for him, but also reveals which tribe he’s in.
Whenever I see the NYT referenced, I assume they are lying through their teeth. Maybe the Reason authors pay for NYT access, but there ain't no way commenters here pay for access (or are able to read beyond headlines).
As an aside - does anyone know how to eliminate media sources from internet searches/feeds?
It’s amusing you think that others doing so proves you aren’t. But to inking just isn’t your strong suit is it.
Also, you omitted to give a single example of a fact I supposedly won’t accept. But then again you’ve never cared much whether your own assertions contain any evidence at all much less proof. Standards are for other people. Good people like you just say anything.
Reminder. Sarc can proclaim anyone he wants as being on the right. But you are not allowed to proclaim him on the left.
Notice how Jeffry (and sarc) underhandedly convert NYT opinions into facts to justify attacking others.
What are the NYT opinions that have been allegedly converted into facts?
There is a (largely deserved) bias against the NYT. I've never observed this supposed bias towards Fox News, though.
Lying Jeffy brought Fox up dishonestly. It’s what he does.
There is a (largely deserved) bias against the NYT.
Their opinion pieces have a definite slant. But that doesn't mean their news is wrong.
I’ve never observed this supposed bias towards Fox News, though.
On the rare occasions that I watch cable and flip to FOX News, I often seen opinion being portrayed as fact.
"Their opinion pieces have a definite slant. But that doesn’t mean their news is wrong."
Their news has the same slant. They are Russia Hoax truthers. They are fully supported every Fauci/CDC lie. The "slant" infects every part of their coverage, and they act as a de facto propaganda wing of the DNC. They selectively leak shit all the time from CIA/FBI that is designed to further their propaganda. They are firmly held by the dem establishment.
Their news is wrong and completely biased...it just happens to be a tiny bit less blatant than their opinion section
Same might be said about NPR. But when they report actual news, you know like facts and stuff, then they tend to do a pretty good job. All without commercials for gold coins and boner pills.
Why didn't you call out jeff for criticizing fox News. Why did you only criticize the people pointing out the NYT bias? Why did you jump in to defend jeff yesterday instead of reading the facts in the NY Post article?
He’s very tribalistic.
"But when they report actual news, you know like facts and stuff, then they tend to do a pretty good job."
...no, they dont. Plenty of evidence to the contrary
You're cherry-picking politically charged subjects.
I'm talking run of the mill national and international news.
Note the subject is Trump. Sarc invokes this supposedly superior news reliability and criticizes others for “cherry picking” political stories as if that’s not the relevant comparative population in this case. The result is that he tries to apply the apolitical performance to political, plus concludes that other people are wrong for not doing so.
He can’t keep anything straight. This is what happens when people decide the conclusion first and then justify their answer. Tribalism running amuck.
He is stating a known fact. See the russia hoax. It was printed as straight news. See just last month about the Gaza hospital bombing. It was reported as straight news.
Their science coverage is as bad, if not worse than their political coverage. Basically, almost every science article I've read from the NYT contain at least one major, often elementary, scientific mistake. They tend to push Scientism as science.
And don't even mention their firearms coverage. And generally they get their defense coverage wrong too, especially in regards to military policies regulations and laws.
Just as an aside on defense coverage, the standard for loading a round in an Abrams (removing it from storage, transferring to the breach, closing the breach and prepping it for firing) for males, per my 19K son, who is currently assigned as an assistant gunner/loader on an Abrams, is less than four seconds to graduate AIT. For a female, it's <7 seconds. In armor warfare, generally survival is based on who acquires the target first, fires first and fires faster (e.g. loads faster). So the femal standard is actually placing their crews at greater risk.
An Abrams round weighs anywhere from 65 pounds for a training sabot to nearly a 100 pounds. Incidentally he also stated the females in his AIT struggled to charge the M-2 (which requires a double charging).
"New Data Links Pandemic’s Origins to Raccoon Dogs at Wuhan Market"
This from the serious reporter who covers Coronavirus...in fucking 2023.
Natural origin / wet market has been prog cope, with anyone that has 2 brain cells or more knowing it came from Wuhan Lab. But NYT in the year fucking 2023 still pushing propaganda regardless.
Their opinion pieces are trash. And their "news" is trash also.
You're proving my point. *shrug*
But here is the thing. This story actually came from an AP story here:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-origins-data-links-pandemic-raccoon-dogs-wuhan-market-rcna75437
and they are reporting on the results of a new study at the time which showed the above findings.
They are not stating as definitive fact that the virus came from raccoon dogs. They are reporting what this team of international scientists had recently found.
The article quotes the WHO Director-General as saying:
And further down in the article, it says:
The article is most definitely NOT propaganda. It is not making any definite assertion about the origin of the virus. It is informing the reader of the result of a new study and it is including all sorts of caveats along the lines of "this new study is not the final word and we are still not sure, it still may have come from the lab".
In your world, what should a responsible journalist have done? Scientists do this study and have this new finding that the virus may have come from racoon dogs, and you think a responsible journalist should have done... what, suppressed the story?
“…. informing the reader of the results of a new study….”
Jesus titty fucking Christ, Jeff. The “new study” IS the propaganda, you fucking moron.
You know this. Just stop.
It is? How do you know that?
And how is a responsible reporter supposed to report new findings like this to the world - conceal findings like this because the reporter thinks it's propaganda and that the public should be protected from hearing about it? Is that what you are saying here?
"But when they report actual news, you know like facts and stuff, then they tend to do a pretty good job."
Duranty re: famine in ukraine
Gaza hospital
Russia collusion
1619 project
Do these examples tend to undermine your statement? Or did the facts change in these cases?
Russia collusion
Give me an example, from the NY Times, of a *news* article about the Trump-Russia controversy that is *factually* wrong based on the information known *at the time*.
So I see you're going with the "facts changed" dodge.
Is the same true of the other three examples?
Could you just answer my question?
Could you provide an example from the NY Times of a *news* article about the Trump-Russia controversy that is *factually* wrong based on the information known *at the time*?
Because if the answer is “no”, then it is unfair to accuse them of lying on the matter when it comes to their *news* reporting, isn’t it?
You didn't answer mine.
You dodged my question because you cannot answer it. Is it because you cannot find an example from the NY Times, of a *news* article about the Trump-Russia controversy that is *factually* wrong based on the information known *at the time*?
I am getting the distinct impression that you don't read the NY Times, yet you remain very sure about what it says because you listen to what right-wing media tells you that the NY Times says.
I don't read the NY times because of their record of lying - see the four examples I gave above; of which you focused on only one.
If their record of lying is so extensive and easy to document, then you should have no problem answering my question.
Here, let me help you out.
I don't think you can find a news article from the NY Times that was factually incorrect based on information that was known at the time.
So why don't you find a news article that you think is 'unfair' on some level and cite some specific complaint about it.
1930s Famine in Ukraine - NYT is politically aligned with Stalin, so they accept Stalin's story, and propagandize on his behalf.
Gaza hospital - NYT is politically aligned with Hamas and against Israel, so they accepted Hamas' story, and cover for them.
Russia collusion - NYT is politically opposed to Trump, so they take the story at face value, attacking trump.
1619 project - NYT is politically opposed to the founders of the US, so they take the story at face value.
Biden laptop - NYT is politically aligned with Biden, so they accept Biden's story, and cover for him.
It's pretty obvious slanted reporting.
The contention by sarc was that, yeah sure the NYT's opinions are leftist, but their pure factual reporting is pretty good. I'm providing (pretty obvious) examples where their reporting of facts is slanted left as well.
based on the information known *at the time*.
It wasn't "information known," it was total bullshit from intel agents and hacks like John Brennan that they uncritically promoted due to partisan bias.
I’m providing (pretty obvious) examples where their reporting of facts is slanted left as well.
Well, now you are moving the goalposts. First you said that they were lying. But now you have backed off, and now you claim merely that their reporting is "slanted left".
And you haven't provided any examples, only broad-brush generalizations (and rather obnoxious ones at that - 'politically aligned with Hamas'? really?)
So if you are willing to back off of your original assertion that their reporting on the Trump-Russia controversy was full of LYING, and instead that it was 'slanted to the left', then fine, I think that is a much more defensible statement.
It would be much more helpful to have concrete examples, however, upon which to base these discussions. Can you provide a specific example?
Their slanting includes lies. Repeating someone else's lies (Stalin's, Hamas's, the FBI's, Clinton campaign's, etc), and passing it off uncritically as fact counts as lying.
It's not obnoxious to point out that the NYT, and the left more broadly is politically aligned with Hamas. They are both anti-Israel and anti-American. Which side do you see chanting from the river to the sea? Right or left? True the NYT is not so blatant about it, but they are on the same side of the aisle. And their reporting is biased to trust Hamas, which is known for lying about how they use hospitals and civilians as human shields.
Can you provide an example of their reporting which was skeptical of Stalin's claims in the 30's? They accepted a pulitzer prize for this one, and have never renounced it.
Or skeptical of any of Hamas's claims?
Or skeptical of the russia collusion story?
Or skeptical of the rewriting of history in the 1619 project?
So, Bert is supposed to guess at what the NYT knew at any given moment?
You really are spinning out, Jeff. Take another break.
Oh FFS. I am not going to go back 90 years. Whoever was responsible for the editorial decisions of the NY Times 90 years ago is long dead.
And I'm not going to accept your sound bites that you picked up from right-wing talk radio. You have to provide specifics backed by specific evidence. Maybe in your circle of friends you can say "New York Times is anti-American!" and everyone just nods along, but that does not work with me. You have to provide EVIDENCE for your claims.
The only evidence that I have asked from you is that you provide one single news story from them about the Trump-Russia controversy that was factually incorrect based on the information known at the time. And you can't do it. All you can do is peddle in these broad generalities.
If you want me to take you seriously, then you have to argue in the realm of facts and reason and logic.
They are Russia Hoax truthers.
So the NYT in Fall 2016 should have known everything that would transpire in the future with regards to the Trump-Russia story before reporting on it. Got it.
Should they have at least been skeptical?
Did they question it at all or treat it as true?
Do you have an example of a *news* article from the NY Times where they stated *as fact* that Trump colluded with Russia?
They should be skeptical of any party-line story like that. And perhaps even do some investigative journalism, and maybe, just maybe even make an attempt at objectivity.
Will these suffice?
https://www.nytimes.com/spotlight/trump-russia
Okay?
Now do you think you could answer my question?
Which article did you have in mind?
It's more like articles, not article, Jeffy.
Holy shit Lying Jeffy, this dishonest even for you.
“The New York Times revealed the Trump team’s connections with the Russians and attempts to sway the F.B.I. director, James Comey. The articles, which won the 2018 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting, triggered the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel.”
But those are true statements. How are they not?
The entire thrust of their reporting was proven false on that issue.
Why can’t they show some skepticism in their reporting on such an issue? They showed skepticism about the Biden laptop, for example.
I’m contending that their skepticism, and lack thereof, varies by the politics of the people involved.
“The New York Times revealed the Trump team’s connections with the Russians and attempts to sway the F.B.I. director, James Comey. The articles, which won the 2018 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting, triggered the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel.”
chemjeff radical individualist 2 hours ago
But those are true statements. How are they not?
No, dumbass, they are not. The only true part of it is that "The articles, which won the 2018 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting, triggered the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel." That's it. The other part is wholly untrue. It's utter bunk and bullshit, Jeffy.
Amazing.
Carter Page really did have ties with the Russian oil company.
Paul Manafort really did work for the pro-Russian party in Ukraine.
Don Jr. really did meet with the Russians at Trump Tower.
These things really did happen. They were not hoaxes.
So yes, there were connections between the Trump team and the Russians.
They just didn't rise to the level of "collusion".
Y’all are forgetting the first rule of “radical individualism” is to always be skeptical of the means and motives or anyone to the right of FDR.
Around here, "radical individualism" means thinking independently of the right-wing hive mind collective.
Were you being intentionally collectivist there?
Haha Lying Jeffy, that was a nice own goal.
"Y’all are forgetting the first rule of “radical individualism” is to always be skeptical of the means and motives or anyone to the right of FDR."
I always assumed collectivistjeff adopted "individualist" for the sake of irony.
"So yes, there were connections between the Trump team and the Russians."
Like what?
Were you being intentionally collectivist there?
Why yes I was, in using a metaphor to describe a fictitious entity.
Were you being intentionally an asshole trying to play gotcha games while adding nothing of substance to the conversation?
“So yes, there were connections between the Trump team and the Russians.”
Like what?
Oh, look, the human turd is sealioning.
I’m not intentionally an asshole, usually, though I fully admit to my assholishness.
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Hey, fuckhead, stop being an asshole.
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Jayson Blair resembles that remark.
They reject the facts that come from outside the tribe, and they only believe the claims that come from inside the tribe, even if the claims are false.
Sort of like chemtard radical deathfat taking Oberlin's side when they defamed Gibson's Bakery.
"That is what insecure tribalists like ML do. They reject the facts that come from outside the tribe, and they only believe the claims that come from inside the tribe... NYT=false, Fox News=true"
This is why we all call you Lying Jeffy.
1. I never watch Fox news. It isn't available up here even if I wanted too.
2. I go out of my way to avoid linking to news published on Fox because I know you, Tony and Shrike always use the hosting site to attack the information.
3. Wherever possible I have always posted links to the original sources rather than the news reports, like the original judgments, tweets, pollsters, etc. I know that you know this because you're always trying to lawyer weird interpretations to fit you're narratives.
This is why everyone hates you, Jeff.
lol you literally just did the thing you claim you don’t do. You rejected an article from the NY Times after proudly declaring you didn’t read it solely because it came from the NY Times. you are the liar.
And more signs of your insecurity: you quite often say "we all" do this or that. Who gave you the license to speak for the whole tribe? It is your way of signaling to the tribe to renew your membership in good standing. That you keep doing it over and over again signifies that you think your standing is weak and you have to keep proving yourself to the tribe over and over.
you’re always trying to lawyer weird interpretations to fit you’re narratives.
this is pure projection on your part.
and the word is your before "narratives". learn to spell, dumbshit.
Like you and Jeff did just yesterday? Lol.
The funny thing about Trump statements is you don't need the NYT opinion of those statements. The primary sources are available. So getting your source material from someone who hates Trump is sophomoric.
Don't feel like paying the Times to read their stuff, since I can generally find the same in the Washington Post, which I only take so I can insult the Liberal commenters.
Haven’t read it., but does anyone actually believe that the New York Times politruks and commisars will be even remotely honest?
Their allegations are simultaneously boy who cried wolf and superficially incredible.
Remember Trump's last term when he used so many trains and cattle cars to deport people that we couldn't move goods out of the port of LA? No, wait, that's not right... he deported fewer people than the Obama/Biden Admin and we still locked down the borders tighter than even Trump is currently proposing because the NYT is a bought-and-sold propaganda mouthpiece openly committed to making their readership as retarded as toadstools by keeping them in the dark and fed on shit).
Just to point out:
In this huge meandering discussion, I asked several times for a citation to a *specific* *news* article from the NY Times which showed errors in factual reporting, that were known to be errors *at the time* of the reporting.
And not a single person could provide a citation.
All they could do is offer talk radio soundbites about how it was leftwing propaganda or somesuch.
In fact, only one person could offer even one citation to any NY Times article (except for the one cited in the Roundup, of course), but even then, the person couldn't even demonstrate that it was wrong, their complaint was that it was 'propaganda'. It wasn't, it was simply presenting a scientific result that the person didn't like.
There were actually PLENTY of ways that people could have complained about NY Times articles. They could have complained about how they lie by omission, by leaving out context which provides for a fuller understanding of a story. They could have complained about how they choose to frame a story, either in sensationalistic or deceptive terms, to push a certain narrative. And of course they would have had to provide specific examples to bolster their case.
But instead it was just soundbite level griping, and the tired old 'hurr durr they were buddies with Stalin in the 30s'. Guess what, everyone responsible for what the NY Times did in the 1930s is dead. Get over it.
No new goalposts
Vivek's plans may be a bit overly simplistic, but I appreciate someone at least trying to find ways to drastically shrink the size and scope of government.
he says other peoples' quiet parts out loud.
Does an arbitrary distinction made out of desperation count as a "rational basis"?
I might expect this from an Oberlin college student, but from the world opinions editor...
Jezebel has spilt the banks...
Well, the Emmet Till story is correct…and should have been all the more reason for news media to approach #MeToo allegations with the same rationality as all claims of criminality.
Listen to everybody, but believe nothing without evidence.
"exclusion of black women from feminist movements"
probably the biggest boon white women have given to black women to be honest.
Intersectionality basically came about because a bunch of black dyke academics were pissed that their black dykeness wasn't being put front and center when feminism turbocharged in the 70s.
White women are lucky that we are just calling them "Karen's". And not calling for revenge.
Somewhat humorous that the silly bitch that wrote this is named Karen herself.
Yep. Define irony...
Was Helen of Troy a white woman?
Probably darker than Helen miran
She was a white Russian.
If Homer's story comes from earlier Minoan Greek sources she would have looked like a Mediterranean woman today, dark hair and eyes and olive skin.
If it comes from Indo-European Mycenaean sources she could have been quite fair.
So skin color is the most important thing, not that the 1000 ships her face launched were ships of war?
I was just answering the question. Personally I think women with Mediterranean phenotypes can look ridiculously hot.
Indeed. Hotness comes in all shades. It is more a matter of comportment than anything.
"...Over the weekend, The New York Times published a long investigative feature detailing Donald Trump's immigration policy plans for if he wins a second presidential term..."
We can be sure of two things here:
1) The NYT's reporting is 'honest'.
2) The actions will be taken if he wins and not be merely election promises.
Sarc aside, we *can* be sure that Liz is but one more TDS-addled shit pile. Fuck off and die, Liz; tired of that bullshit.
Build that wall.
The Ukrainians attacked a nato ally, isn't here something in the nato charter about that?
Except Ukraine didn’t actually do it, we did. They’re just starting the process of throwing Zelenskyy under the bus.
are there Ukrainian talk shows to discuss who will be swept into Z's seat?
Ukrainian talk shows, Victoria Nuland phone calls, potato pototo.
Targeted infrastructure, of an ally, in peacetime. Whether it was Zelensky, Biden, or both, the NATO Charter and the Geneva Convention have many, many things to say about it.
I liked that narrative that it was s couple pf drunk fisherman that had done that. Felt as plausible as the wet market covid narrative.
Putin's Irregular Army doesn't seem to have solidified the narrative on this development, yet. Interesting.
"Trump's horrible immigration plans"
I heard he's gonna build a wall. Right after he drains the swamp.
He did more to drain the swamp than any POTUS in a century, but TDS-addled shit piles like you are blind to that.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Technically, he did not do a lot. He might this time, but he did not in 2016-2020.
He had PLANS to do it, but there was not much firing of people nor reduction in spending on agencies.
Not do alot and still the most are not mutually exclusive, the previous admin did everything they could to expand gov, trump shrunk employee ment, and regulation
"Regulations
The growth of federal regulation slowed to a crawl under Trump.
The number of restrictive words and phrases (such as “shall,” “prohibited” or “may not”) contained in the Code of Federal Regulations stayed below 1.08 million for most of 2019— a little below where it was when Trump took office. But as of the day he left office, the count had crept up to just under 1.09 million — an increase of 10,141 (or 0.9%) since Trump’s inauguration.
That small increase during Trump’s four years is a big departure from the past, when restrictions grew 12.3% during Bush’s eight years and by 12.5% during Obama’s eight years, according to annual figures from the QuantGov tracking project at George Mason University’s Mercatus Center.
That slowdown under Trump may be temporary, however.
In what it called “the largest deregulatory initiative of this administration,” the Trump administration issued a final rule that nullified Obama-era fuel economy standards for new cars and light trucks. Trump’s rule requires them to maintain an average efficiency of 40.4 miles per gallon by model year 2025, down from the 46.7 mpg set under Obama. But now the Biden administration is proposing new rules that it estimates will result in average efficiency of 48 mpg by model year 2026."
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/#Regulations
Yes, he reduced regulations.
He did not fire anybody. He did not reign in spending. He did not work to end any agencies.
He did more than anybody else has done. But, he also did not do much.
But, he also did not do much.
Be careful. That's borderline blasphemy around here.
I think damikesc will find much agreement here with that statement. Just because we don't have TDS doesn't mean you don't have TDS.
The only TDS I see is people flying off the handle when their god emperor is maligned.
Cite?
Open your eyes. Jeez. Some things are self evident.
I have. How about you taking the blinders off?
Which one of us calls people names when they insult Trump? I'll give you a clue: it's not me.
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of TDS-addled lefty shit.
Well, it’s been an hour since damikesc made his comment and nobody’s attacked him sarc. But we know you’ll ignore this FACT and make the same bald assertion again.
Three hours now, still no attack on damikesc.
Hey sarc, time to retire this talking point, maybe?
Nah. He'll be back with it even in spite of the evidence.
You know that's not true right? I mean, even jesse and ML have criticized Trump.
I repeat: He did better than any POTUS in the last hundred years. Sorry if that doesn't meet with your approval; I'm certain you find 'both sides' the same.
I suppose "most libertarian president (since Coolidge)" might be accurate technically. But that's such a low bar, he's still firmly in the "not libertarian" category.
So 'both sides'?
I'd still rather have Trump, but he was hardly a rousing success in transforming or shrinking government. And he fucked up big time on covid stuff.
He put the brakes on new regulations a bit, and didn't get us into any new wars, which are both great.
I'd say anyone who signed their name to the Cares Act automatically removed themselves from the "most libertarian" of anything.
Hell, he made more than one mistake, and I'll be more than happy to watch as you await the 2nd coming.
Knock, knock, reality calling!
A mistake? 6 trillion dollars wasted on shutting down the economy over covid is a fucking disaster.
Biggest catastrophe since the Civil War, probably leading to repercussions as great or greater than the depression and WW2.
Unfortunately, we'll never know if Republicans would have done the same thing the Democrats always do: Take that supposedly one time spending and make it the base line.
The relief checks was a mistake. States that shutdown should have owned their choices.
Name an American politician the US government has feared more, aside from the ones they had shot in the 60’s.
Jefferson Davis (D)
Black woman calling for revenge on white women? What could possibly go wrong?
Armed white husbands.
TikTok is full of black women telling white people what they can and cannot say.
And the world is full of non-TikTok-ers who don't give a shit what any TikTok-ers say they can and cannot say. Say! I can't believe I said that!
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Critical Race Theory will guarantee an Oct 7th event in the US if we let it continue.
The Washington Post tweet makes perfect sense. It's putting left leaning white women in notice that they are lower on the progressive stack than the author and need to be deferential to her.
Wonder is Israel had a mole that shared with them the info regarding the tunnels.
Couldn't be that rare of knowledge if Hamas released hostages to discuss conditions in said tunnels.
Not seeing this as difficult. Mossad likely has many agents planted in Arab organizations.
Well they all missed October 7th. Maybe not so easy.
The joke is that moles are underground tunneling animals. People missed the sarcasm, chumbys been gone too long
Thank you for volenteering the explanation.
At least we didn't have to weasel it out.
Quit playing 'possum with us and don't be a stranger.
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Chumby was so subtle he got past even me with that one...like he was right beneath our feet.
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You had to borrow that one, didn't you?
More like I had to burrow for it. I haven't had my coffee.
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speaking of Burrow, Joe is awful.
A mole in a tunnel?
That would be funny!
Licensed to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. A man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote.
"I smell varmint poontang. And the only good varmint poontang is dead varmint poontang, I think."
He's gonna make them gophers receive...Total Consciousness! So he's got that going for him....which is nice!
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Israel couldn't have lived as long as it has without sympathetic Arab and Iranian Intel and operatives. Most Arabs on the Israeli side are fiercely loyal members of the Druze religion.
And you just know that when Iran got one of it's Uranium centrifuges blew up with explosives planted a decade earlier, that was a joint effort of both the Mossad and Iranians who hate the Mullahs and Ayatollahs.
Muslims, including Bedouins, make up 82% of the entire Arab population of Israel. 9% of Israeli Arabs are Druze, and 9% Christians.
I meant to clarify that many Arabs in Intel are Druze.
But yes, other Arab citizens of Israel of all creeds and none are loyal to Israel too. They know which side their falafel is buttered on.
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You mean 'tahini'ed' - they use very little butter. 🙂
I stand corrected. Thanks.
Maybe an underground network of spies.
"Hamas Tunnels Under Hospitals"
Reason reports this as if it's newly discovered information, and not been known for many years, decades even.
Wait till they learn that they use hospitals as torture centers and weapons caches
Trump wants to use the US military to defend the US? What madness is that?!
Damn! Next thing he’ll want is for Europe to payfor its own defense. Reprehensible…
Speaking the truth about the corporate press - Pluggo most hurt.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/11/09/vivek-won-the-gop-debate-by-trashing-nbc-moderator-for-spreading-the-russia-collusion-hoax/
Apart from the personal insults and name-calling, the Republican primary debate last night was, to no one’s surprise, mostly a dud. Nikki Haley called Vivek Ramaswamy “scum” when he brought up her daughter’s use of TikTok. Ramaswamy called Haley and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis “Dick Cheney in three-inch heels,” and the rest was a bunch of noise from people who will never be president.
The one standout moment, though, and perhaps the most important thing to happen on network news in a long time, was when Ramaswamy denounced corporate media for constantly lying to the American people and specifically called out NBC News debate moderator Kristen Welker to her face for spreading the Russia-collusion hoax.
“Kristen I’m gonna use this time — because this is actually about you and the media and the corrupt media establishment — to ask you about the Trump-Russia collusion hoax that you pushed on this network for years. Was that real, or was that Hillary Clinton made-up disinformation? Answer the question, go.”
“Think about who’s moderating this debate. This should be Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, and Elon Musk. We’d have ten times the viewership, asking questions that GOP primary voters actually care about and bring in more people to our party. You think the Democrats — I mean we’ve got Kristen Welker here — you think the Democrats would actually hire Greg Gutfeld to host a Democratic debate?”
Two months before Special Counsel Robert Mueller released his report confirming what everyone already knew, that the idea Trump was a Kremlin agent was a conspiracy theory with no basis in fact, Welker asked Trump, “Mr. President, yes or no. Have you or are you now — have you ever worked for Russia? Yes or no?”
That’s the kind of “journalism” Welker peddles. While covering the Trump administration, wrote Justice, Welker “accused the president of launching his career on birtherism, criticized the president for fanning the flames of the culture wars, and asked then-White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders repeatedly whether she could guarantee the president had never used the ‘N-word.’”
Think about who’s moderating this debate. This should be Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, and Elon Musk.
Because that's how debates ought to work - when the moderators are from the same tribe and only deliver softball questions that won't make the audience mad.
And yet, that exactly how the DNC debates work, Lying Jeffy.
I like how the fat fuck thinks Rogan and Musk are on the same team as Carlson, simply because they aren't going along with the left-liberal consensus that he supposedly doesn't support in any way whatsoever. Next he'll be telling us that Matt Taibbi and Bari Weiss are alt-right.
LOL. LMAO, even.
They are all pro free speech, which makes them on the other side of Jeffy and his tribe.
Would the candidates have crib sheets with the pre-selected questions and staff provided answers on them including the face and name of the person asking them?
It's a primary debate.
They should be on the same side.
Looks like Jeff is pretending that the Primary and General Election debates are the same thing.
The Republican primary debate shouldn’t focus on the issues republican primary voters find important, it should focus on what the corporate press in Lying Jeffy’s tribe find important.
Consider the chances of Jeffey saying this about a Dem debate.
That would be 0.0.
What does it mean that a circumstance that exists everywhere is only important enough to comment on when it results in criticism of a specific team?
Joe Rogan is a liberal, not a conservative by his own words and beliefs. Elon has voted solidly Dem until very recently. Only Tucker can be said to be a solid conservative and he has many heterodoxical views.
From the NY Times article:
They're not even hiding their plans.
We've imported 10M illegals in just 3 years.
The plans SHOULD be "immigration stops. Completely. Period"
I see no problem here.
I'm failing to see what the problem is. Are you trying to conflate legal and illegal immigration again?
One of the many different ways Lying Jeffy is dishonest.
Every doctrinaire democrat appears pathologically incapable of separating the two issues in their mind.
Much like Obama didn’t hide his. The key difference though is that you didn’t care when Obama built holding facilities.
Can anyone help crack this perplexing puzzle of why Jeffey didn’t care then about something he now portrays as a massive problem?
He's a lying sack of shit? = I cracked the perplexing puzzle...
Disappointing exactly zero people, Tim Scott has made the decision to suspend his presidential campaign.
Down-Low Bro No Mo.
Call him a "lawn-jockey" again, one last time.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit, a TDS-addled asshole and a pederast besides.
So much homophobia and racism in one little comment.
The only things Pluggo's missing are misogyny and pedophilia.
He’s not missing one of those. He’s got binders of kids.
Mmm, taste the Racism AND the homophobia.
Blaming the media and Americans for being in a rotten mood.
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/why-are-americans-such-rotten-mood-biden-blames-media
Biden says the economy is great. The media, even WSJ articles, praise the economy. But polls show Biden is in trouble. What’s going on?
Despite the Media whitewashing every bit of bad news about the president, and numerous reports in unexpected places about how great the economy is, President Biden blames the media for the US’s sour mood.
People do not believe Bidenomics is working. Inflation is moderating, but prices are still going up.
I repeat the core key theme for something like two years now. People keep telling me rents are falling, I keep doubting.
All these “rents are falling” projections have been based on the price of new leases, but existing leases, vastly more important, keep rising.
Renters with no place to charge a car and no means to afford one anyway are rightfully upset at Biden’s energy policies.
Even unions are upset at Biden for cramming EVs down everyone’s throats. The Unions understand that EVs will cost union jobs, and lots of them.
By the way, I just did a doublecheck of a stat I knew. Here it is, from CNBC: 60% of Americans are Still Living Paycheck to Paycheck.
On November 8, I reported Credit Card Delinquencies Surge as Consumer Debt Tops $17 Trillion.
Clearly things would be so much better if we stopped this kind of news.
It is odd how that when stellar economic numbers come in Republicans start complaining about insignificant metrics. When employment gains were superb and the deficit cut in half during the Obama years suddenly the obscure Labor Participation Rate became important despite the fact that it reflects healthy metrics.
Today, GDP and UE no longer matter to conservative jack-offs. But the price of their Cheezy Poofs matter most.
Tribal blinkers - the GOP wears them well.
...suddenly the obscure Labor Participation Rate became important...
It's always been important, because not counting unemployed people who have given up on looking for work is a dishonest metric.
But it counts well-to-do early retirees in the same figure.
And what's the ratio of early retirees to quitters? I'd venture to guess there are many quitters for every retiree.
I don't know but if you can't get a job today you're pretty much retarded in some way.
It may not be what you want - I know a COBOL programmer with 30 years coding that had to downsize his career.
On that I can agree. And it's something I really don't understand. I would think bringing in a paycheck, any paycheck, is better than no paycheck.
"I know a COBOL programmer with 30 years coding"
No you don't.
Actually most people who ever worked for a large company knows one, you idiot.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
You're lying. You neither work for a large company, nor know any programmers.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Here. Let me, Sevo.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Let's give that man an Amen!
It is odd how that when stellar economic numbers come in
Employment being low doesn't mean shit when everything costs a shit-ton more than it did before 2021, which is marinating throughout the entire economy.
And a big part of the current homeless problem is that the country spent most of the 21st century importing tens of millions of people, without building the infrastructure to handle the demand. Most of the country, especially blue areas, simply assumed that developers would naturally build what was needed, irrespective of the incentives in place.
a big part of the current homeless problem is that the country spent most of the 21st century importing tens of millions of people
completely agree.
I doubted that a border wall would work but someone fucked up his main campaign promise.
Democrats in congress. Glad we agree.
Food is still expensive at the supermarket. I can't buy a much groceries as I could 3 years ago, and I have no expectation my rent is going to drop.
Tell me about it. My grocery bill went from $30-$40 per week to $70-$80 per week. Thankfully my mortgage rate is fixed (did that in spite of all the ARMs being pushed 17-18 years ago).
True, demand for housing is crazy high - a result of full employment. We're seven million units short of full supply.
It is nuts where I live because we're building one of the largest factories in the world set to open in 2025.
1. Cite with links on the factory.
2. No, housing isn't being built like crazy. I remember 2000-2008, and this is nowhere near like that.
No, housing isn’t being built like crazy
Not what I said, jackoff. I said supply is seven million units short – thus higher prices.
And the factory in Georgia is a 2000 acre Rivian factory in the middle of nowhere about 70 miles from Atlanta. I live nearby where Ritz-Carlton built a hotel.
"Rivian factory"
Good luck with that.
the TDS-addled turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
1. Rivian isn't doing all that hot currently.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/08/rivian-stock-lost-early-gains-today-heres-why/
It first should be noted that Rivian stock has dropped by more than 30% over the last three months. That can be partially explained by growing concerns that the market for electric vehicles (EVs) isn't what some investors were expecting. Even EV leader Tesla missed production and delivery estimates when it reported earnings last month.
Rivian boosted guidance and even said it will begin selling its commercial vans beyond its lone customer, Amazon. But the fact remains that it reported a negative free cash flow of more than $1 billion in the third quarter.
You don't stay in business with negative cash flow like that for long.
2. Hotels are built anywhere there's a freeway going by. That's not much to go by.
3. I asked for a cite and a link. You provided neither.
Do your own fucking search. It is not difficult.
Georgia + Rivian factory.
Very simple search that yields direct hits - unless you use one of those retarded conservative search engines I guess.
You're the one making the assertion; therefore, it is up to you to back your assertion up, dip.
the TDS-addled ass-clown turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Which search engines are you referring to?
Rivian is bleeding money. It loses money on every vehicle sold --- and they cannot raise prices. Plus electric pickups have the whole severely short range on a charge and the exceptionally long times to charge.
Take away government benefits and EVs are dead.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit a TDS-addled asshole and a pederast besides.
"Food is still expensive at the supermarket."
Buy in bulk at costco! - sbp
> QAnon Shaman running for office as a Libertarian, natch.
He's QAnon. Nothing the LP loves more than welcoming in batshit crazy conspiracy loons. Combined with the new alt-right Mises Caucus, this nutjob will be right at home in the new LP.
This is why I'm no longer a member of the LP. Or any party actually. All parties eventually get taken over by the crazies. I wrote in Vermin Supreme in the last election. Least crazy person on the ballot. The LP has two problems and that is that it won't take itself seriously and won't take it's core ideology seriously.
I always thought of the LP as a bunch of stoned anarchists trying to herd cats.
Those are the Reason libertarians. I think Brandy was talking about a different set.
"QAnon" doesn't even really exist, except in the fever dreams of far left media types as a generic catch-all description of just about everyone they hate the most. No headquarters, no local chapters, no mailing address of any kind, no website, no phone number, no spokespersons, no nothing at all observable thay anyone can point to as real evidence of existence.
It's the real life version of Emmanuel Goldstein. Little by little, piece by piece, these far lefties are taking Orwell's dystopian nightmare he wrote 75 years ago and turning it into our current reality.
You're full of shit, Mikey. QAnon exists here on H&R.
Trump Cultists calling any outsider a pedophile? Pure QAnon.
It fucking doesn't even factor anymore. It's like the Cultists are wearing s stupid sign.
So "QAnon" is an appellation you use instead of an actual organization. Got it. It's name calling.
Reminds me of Lying Jeffy yesterday who wouldn't and couldn't describe what he meant when he called Jesse "Right-wing".
is an appellation you use instead of an actual organization
See also "Antifa".
Except Antifa has groups who identify as such and receive funding from Open Society.
QAnon on the other hand is a 4chan meme that the New York Times picked up to scare wine moms.
You're full of shit. Cite?
Note - I never ask for proof because I know what a conspiratorial shit-box you live in.
ONE TIME - Cite?
Antifa has groups who identify as such and receive funding from Open Society.
The TDS-addled ass-clown turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
You do like a challenge, don't you?
https://capitalresearch.org/article/origins-of-antifa/
“While it’s been proven that funders like Soros and the Democrat Party have paid protest organizers and some protesters, groups like the violent Black Bloc [sic – black bloc refers to a set of tactics, not a group] typically aren’t motivated by money, but instead come to protests because of their anti-American ideology, base criminal desires and thrill seeking.”
Nonetheless, the left-wing billionaire George Soros has ties to Antifa through a group called the Alliance for Global Justice (AfGJ). Soros’s philanthropy, known at the time as the Open Society Institute, gave $100,000 to AfGJ ($50,000 in 2004 and $50,000 in 2006).
Acting as a fiscal sponsor, AfGJ gave $50,000 to Refuse Fascism, an unincorporated Antifa group. Fiscal sponsors are recognized tax-exempt 501(c)(3) nonprofits that take in donations on behalf of unincorporated or small groups so that donors can deduct the donations from their taxes, charging the group receiving the donation a processing fee.
Fail.
https://afgj.org/
found no evidence of ties to Antifa.
Gee, lookie at this, Pluggo, as of today:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/palestinian-terror-tied-alliance-global-justice-donors-payment-processors-ties
The organization, Alliance for Global Justice, has lost the critical ability to accept credit card donations online due to four companies, consisting of PayPal, Stripe, Deluxe, and Salsa Labs, all deciding between February and October to kick the organization off their fundraising platforms. Top Democratic-allied grantmakers are vowing they will no longer transfer cash into AFGJ's coffers. Those include New Venture Fund and Windward Fund, two entities managed by Arabella Advisors, the largest liberal dark money network in the United States, and the Ford Foundation.
The financial blows come after AFGJ pulled in a staggering $56 million in its fiscal year ending in March 2021 as left-wing donors flocked to support purported "social justice" groups following the death of George Floyd in 2020 and subsequent Black Lives Matter demonstrations.
On its latest tax forms filed in February, AFGJ disclosed pulling in $10.6 million.
BTW, those groups are all part of Antifa.
And we have more. As for your "cite", you found yet another way to duck, dodge, avoid, and lie, Pluggo.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16149/antifa-history-part-2
The coordinated violence raises questions about how Antifa is financed. The Alliance for Global Justice (AFGJ) is an organizing group that serves as a fiscal sponsor to numerous radical left-wing initiatives, according to Influence Watch, a research group that collects data on advocacy organizations, foundations and donors.... The Open Society Foundations, Tides Foundation, Arca Foundation, Surdna Foundation, Public Welfare Foundation, and the Brightwater Fund have all made contributions to AFGJ, according to Influence Watch.
The coordinated violence raises questions about how Antifa is financed. The Alliance for Global Justice (AFGJ) is an organizing group that serves as a fiscal sponsor to numerous radical left-wing initiatives, according to Influence Watch, a research group that collects data on advocacy organizations, foundations and donors.
AFGJ, which describes itself as "anti-capitalist" and opposed to the principles of liberal democracy, provides "fiscal sponsorship" to groups advocating numerous foreign and domestic far-left and extreme-left causes, including eliminating the State of Israel.
One of the groups funded by AFGJ is called Refuse Fascism, a radical left-wing organization devoted to promoting nationwide action to remove from office President Donald Trump, and all officials associated with his administration, on the grounds that they constitute a "fascist regime." The group has been present at many Antifa radical-left demonstrations, also according to Influence Watch. The group is an offshoot of the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP).
Wanna try again, dipshit?
Here's Part I for fun:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16104/antifa-history
Antifa can be described as a transnational insurgency movement that endeavors, often with extreme violence, to subvert liberal democracy, with the aim of replacing global capitalism with communism. Antifa's stated long-term objective, both in America and abroad, is to establish a communist world order. In the United States, Antifa's immediate aim is to bring about the demise of the Trump administration.
Germany's BfV domestic intelligence agency, in a special report on left-wing extremism, noted:
"Antifa's fight against right-wing extremists is a smokescreen. The real goal remains the 'bourgeois-democratic state,' which, in the reading of left-wing extremists, accepts and promotes 'fascism' as a possible form of rule and therefore does not fight it sufficiently. Ultimately, it is argued, 'fascism' is rooted in the social and political structures of 'capitalism.' Accordingly, left-wing extremists, in their 'antifascist' activities, focus above all on the elimination of the 'capitalist system.'"
In an essay, "What Antifa and the Original Fascists Have In Common," Antony Mueller, a German professor of economics who currently teaches in Brazil, described how Antifa's militant anti-capitalism masquerading as anti-fascism reveals its own fascism:
"The Antifa movement is a fascist movement. The enemy of this movement is not fascism but liberty, peace and prosperity."
And from the horse’s own ass,
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/voices/a-220-million-investment-in-racial-justice
We are contributing $150 million to a set of organizations that we deem vital—organizations that have helped make this moment happen, and that have the vision, drive and determination to carry it forward into the future. They range from emerging powers to more established civil rights forces. Among them: Black Voters Matter, Circle for Innovations, the Rev. Barber’s Repairers of the Breach and the Equal Justice Initiative. Each of them play a crucial role.
^Here you go Buttplug.^
No Antifa listed.
Fail.
Look again, Plugtard.
Did google ban you for child porn too?
https://capitalresearch.org/article/origins-of-antifa/
Fail.
Determining who funds Antifa is difficult because the movement is highly decentralized and consists of private individuals and loosely affiliated groups.
Your own source admits they don't know who funds Antifa and they are just individuals with a common motive.
NEXT PEANUT UP!
Nice cherry pick pedo. Keep reading:
“While it’s been proven that funders like Soros and the Democrat Party have paid protest organizers and some protesters
And:
Soros’s philanthropy, known at the time as the Open Society Institute, gave $100,000 to AfGJ ($50,000 in 2004 and $50,000 in 2006).
Acting as a fiscal sponsor, AfGJ gave $50,000 to Refuse Fascism, an unincorporated Antifa group.
"Your own source admits they don’t know who funds Antifa"
Your quote doesn't say that. Who do you think you're trying to kid?
Why are you trying so hard to dismiss the obvious? What's the ideological motivation for you?
Because he's a demshill, Inquisitive.
"Why are you trying so hard to dismiss the obvious? What’s the ideological motivation for you?"
Because he's hired by Open Society... or was until very recently. Jeff btw, shills for Media Matters.
turd the ass-clown lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
“Trump Cultists calling any outsider a pedophile?”
What a disgusting lie. The only person that regularly gets called a pedophile here is YOU. And that’s because you were actually banned for posting links to child pornography.
I was never banned, you moron. I'm posting now. I've always posted. Same IP address.
HEY REASON! I'm the same buttplug as before!
Nobody believes you.
Still waiting for you to explain the 2 at the end of your handle.
And "fuck you" doesn't count as an explanation.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
If you're the same buttplug as before...why that number 2?
What happened to the original account of yours?
I seem to recall it got banned and caused an entire thread to be nuked and cleansed due to SPB (no "2" at the time) posting links to hardcore child porn.
Which many of you apparently intentionally clicked on, thus downloading "links to hardcore child porn" to your own computers. (Although I've also seen the claim that these links were to sites on "the dark web", which would have prevented most of you from actually visiting the intended URLs, but that does call into question how you were nevertheless able to determine the nature of the content located at the alleged links...)
"Tricked" into committing child porn federal felonies--I can see why you'd be angry!
So bunches of old farts in Canada skipped out on paying utilities for nothing?
Vermin Supreme would make the best president of all current options. It's not even close.
What makes the MC alt-right?
"What makes the MC alt-right?"
They aren't democrats.
Brandy deemed it so.
Is he actually QAnon, or is that just a label that was plastered on his image?
The Dems will continue to gaslight every failed policy.
It is quite predictable.
The only problem with Vivek's plan is that it doesn't reach 80% or higher.
"White women are lucky that we are just calling them Karen's
And not calling for revenge"
Are we at the point where the "quiet part" has become the battlecry? When the masks are fully thrown aside? Seems like we are there.
Also, bonus points for the woman posting this being actually named Karen, lol.
So Tyrone and Shaniqua are in vogue again?
I have to say that I'm seriously disappointed in the quality of Reason's coverage of the Israeli invasion of Gaza. One can affirm Israel's right to exist, and to flourish, as I do, and still deny its "right" to increase the size of its territory. For decades, the U.S. has constantly defended Israel's "right" to steal land from the Palestinians in the West Bank. Years ago, Benjamin Netanyahu said "No one has the right to judge Israel". What he meant was "We can do whatever we like, because the U.S. will back us no matter what." The knee jerk support Israel has come to take for granted from the U.S. has corrupted both nations. I suggest you consider the observations of such figures as Peter Beinart and Noam Chomsky as a counter to your own blinkered views. Please do better.
Gaza was a decrease in Israeli territory back in 2005. Hamas attacked nevertheless.
So your argument is off-base.
turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
This is one of those rare examples of him telling the truth by accident, I think.
Possibly. I never bother to read the drivel that turd posts, simply because it is a lie or an accident.
God gave (((us))) the deed back in 1,000 b.c. Here's the copy of the deed (shows Old Testament). Why won't you respect the word of God? /sarc
Take it from an American, Israel does not need bigger borders from the Nile to the Tigris-Euphrates unless they want U.S. border problems as well.
Noam Chomsky, the tenured "Anarchist" at M.I.T. whose career relies on The Military Industrial Complex and who has been an apologist for every Totalitarian Communist regime in the Planet? Riiiight!
Israel is the sole legitimate claimant of that land i.e. the Gaza Strip, as well as the entirety of the mandate's (remaining) territory. One only has to apply uti possidetis juris i.e. customary int'l law. We could also add that Israel is well withing her right to take that land, if taking that land is the only feasible way to go forward without the constant threat of terror. This latter argument is applicable to the Golan Height too.
The so called "Palestinians" are not a nation and "they" have no sovereign right, or even any legitimate claim to any land in the "West Bank" (i.e. Judea and Samaria) or elsewhere. I couldn't even claim that they "want" a state of their own since every single time it was offered to them on a silver platter they refused. Westerners, especially Leftists, just want to believe that everyone thinks like them and that those "poor Palestinians must be looking for a liberal democratic Palestine in place of... ahem, I mean right next to the Jews of Israel".
Peter Beinart and Noam Chomsky are both JINOs, or self-hating Jews if you prefer, and they're both anti-Zionists. Why would anyone, let alone a libertarian, listen to anything coming out of the mouth of those far-leftist radicals?
Israel either abides by international law, or doesn't. There is no "both ways", and it is very foolish for the US to support it.
Israel abides by international law.
That is false. The only question is whether you truly believe it.
Not to worry Alan, once Israel finished annihilating Hamas, they will annex Gaza and expel a bunch of Judeocidal Hamas supporters.
It will be the Singapore of the Mediterranean.
as I do, and still deny its “right” to increase the size of its territory.
Maybe Israel should pull out of Gaza and remove its settlements from the West Bank. That will surely placate the Palestinian authority and peace will reign supreme.
Noam Chomsky
I would also start with the guy who denied the Cambodian Genocide as well. Perhaps his anarchistic tendencies gave him the right views on COVID lockdowns and vaccine mandates? I'll have to do some research.
It's not a question of whether abiding by international law guarantees peace. Israel either abides by it or doesn't--it can't have it both ways. Does Israel admit its settlements are in violation of international law, but has good reasons for doing so? If so, I missed it.
Power outages killed six people, including two premature babies, over the weekend, according to the Gazan health ministry
Did they also show the video of Hamas not allowing a fuel delivery to the hospital?
Power outages killed six people, including two premature babies, over the weekend, according to the Gazan health ministry
doubt
I’m wondering, what names did Hamas/PLO reject when they invented “Gazan Health Ministry” for their press releases?
QAnon Shaman running for office as a Libertarian, natch.
This is the best timeline.
Brandyshit disagrees. She’s very upset.
Only if he wins and (taking a good idea from further up the thread) wears his shaman outfit to work each day.
https://twitter.com/memeticsisyphus/status/1724061940115292537?t=M-YSBFfJ-Ke28XbnxprhrA&s=19
A reminder that white liberals are the only people in the world who would find a problem with this statement.
[Link]
Only because so many white liberals are childless unmarried women.
This ^
They have no connection to kids and have probably disowned their conservative parents.
Do wine babies count?
That graph is crazy.
On Day 1, *instantly* fire 50% of federal bureaucrats.
Here's how: if your SSN ends in an odd number, you're fired.
That downsizes government by half. Absolutely *nothing* will break as a result.
how could anyone object to this?
Should have included the evens.
This is a gem I hadn't seen before. I might expect this from an Oberlin college student, but from the world opinions editor @washingtonpost? pic.twitter.com/m1fXnb7dBg
TDS much? I like how "voting for Trump" is on par with the Tulsa Massacre. Voting for Trump is a self-evident crime in the minds of these people . Utterly unhinged.
how ever will they tackle this issue on today's The View?
>>Power outages killed six people, including two premature babies ... Decomposing corpses ... in the hospital courtyard
total fucking shame Hamas wrecked the peace.
Are we still having trouble getting across "Fuck around, find out" to these people?
I'm enjoying the Find Out Show. I'd prefer a Brandon's Hostage Comedy Review Day ___ somewhere anywhere but I guess I'm not getting it
>>QAnon Shaman running for office as a Libertarian, natch.
already mailing my ballots to Arizona.
Adds to colorful lineup of guy with boot on head, chick with pink hair, dude dancing in his skivvies, and gay man wearing outlandish costumes at conventions.
>>Disappointing exactly zero people, Tim Scott has made the decision to suspend his presidential campaign.
idk, one of the posters here uses him for projection-rage
>>Vivek Ramaswamy ... always gives high-school-sophomore-in-debate-club vibes:
his take-down of the Prom Queen has been delicious.
>>What exactly is this Washington Post editor calling for?
I'd say Repeal of the 19th but she doesn't look blonde in her pic
” Intelligence officials at home “are confident that Hamas has used tunnel networks under hospitals, in particular Al Shifa, for command and control areas as well as for weapons storage,” according to The New York Times.”
Using tunnels as command and control areas? Bunkers, maybe, but tunnels? I would have thought that bunkers under the Sinai desert in Egypt would make for excellent command and control and storage facilities. They would be able to operate free from Israeli interference.
Putting such facilities under hospitals would be ill advised given Israel's habit of singling them out for attack.
"Israel’s habit of singling them out for attack"
Here is one of the purest example of lying on behalf of Hamas as you could ask for.
Israel has often attacked hospital. They’re attacking several as I write this. To think that hospitals, churches and the like give Hamas a safe place to hide is ridiculous.
Even using Israeli citizens as human shields is ineffectual as this report on Israeli eyewitness Tuval of Be’eri Kibutz in Haaretz shows:
“His voice trembles when his partner, who was besieged in her home shelter at the time, comes to mind. According to him, only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions — including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages — did the IDF complete the takeover of the kibbutz. The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri people were killed. Others were kidnapped. Yesterday, 11 days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”
Given that the IDF, in their goal to eliminate Hamas, won’t stop at the indiscriminate slaughter their own Jewish Israelis, Hamas is not going to risk their lives hiding behind civilians of any description.
Hamas forces the actions. Every single death is on them.
The idea that Hamas would think hiding under a hospital would prevent Israeli from attacking them is ridiculous.
"Hamas forces the actions."
The idea that Hamas is forcing Israel to do anything is ridiculous. If Israel, a nuclear power with democratic traditions and total US backing, acts rashly, launching an ill conceived, intemperate war which it cannot win, it can only blame itself.
Hamas attacked them. Hamas unleashed an atrocity on them. Anything done to Hamas is on Hamas. If Hamas is sticking civilians in front of them, their deaths are also Hamas' fault.
Just as the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were ultimately Japan's fault for starting the war in the first place.
"If Hamas is sticking civilians in front of them"
Civilians, whether Israelis or Palestinians, are not going to prevent Israel from attacking. Blame Hamas if that eases a guilty conscience.
Israel goes above and beyond to clear out civilians before any action is taken.
Hamas TARGETS civilians specifically.
That you do not see a difference is one of your many failings.
"Israel goes above and beyond to clear out civilians before any action is taken."
They don't even do that for Israeli Jews. Read about the massacre at Be'eri. I urge you to inform yourself.
I'm sure they issued warnings.
Doesn't the incident with the hospital last month (that the NYT tried to help cover up) prove that you are lying?
"Hamas is not going to risk their lives hiding behind civilians of any description"
Why does Hamas take civilians hostage except to hide behind them? Why does Hamas prevent civilians from leaving Gaza, unless they want them to be killed to score propaganda points with anti-semites like yourself?
"Indiscriminate slaughter"
How is the IDF supposed to discriminate between palestinian fighters who
1. don't wear uniforms
2. hide among the population
"Doesn’t the incident with the hospital last month (that the NYT tried to help cover up) prove that you are lying?"
No. The idea that Hamas would hide under hospitals thinking this would make them immune from Israeli attacks is risible. I can't believe that you sincerely believe this. I think you are instead mindlessly parroting Israeli propaganda points meant to justify their atrocities against civilians.
"How is the IDF supposed to discriminate between palestinian fighters"
If they IDF isn't up to the task, find someone who is. If the IDF can't tell who their enemies are, they shouldn't be given weapons.
"Why does Hamas take civilians hostage except to hide behind them?"
Hostage taking in the region goes back thousands of years. The idea is to exchange hostages for money or concessions. Israel engages in this too. A few years back, Netanyahu exchanged 1000 Palestinian hostages for 1 Israeli. At such an exchange rate, it's surprising hostage taking isn't more popular.
"Why does Hamas prevent civilians from leaving Gaza"
Offhand, I'd say they want to avoid Nakba 2. To evacuate a territory, only to be denied the right to return. Hezbollah, I believe, also blocked refugees from fleeing a warzone in Southern Lebanon for much the same reason. What's your opinion?
They aren't doing it to protect themselves so much as make sure that Israel gets as much bad PR as possible when they do finally get to them.
https://twitter.com/SonnyBunch/status/1722712643306147866
The hospital incident proves that the Palestinians will launch rockets from a hospital parking lot. If they are willing to do that, why wouldn't they tunnel under them as well? Because they know that Israel will be less likely to target a known hospital (not "make them immune" as in your strawman).
"If they IDF isn’t up to the task, find someone who is. If the IDF can’t tell who their enemies are, they shouldn’t be given weapons."
How could this be done by the anyone, IDF or anyone else? How would you distinguish among people who don't wear uniforms, and hide among the population?
"The idea is to exchange hostages for money or concessions."
And to hide behind them, obviously. Above you claimed that Israel will just "indiscriminately" kill their own citizens. If that's the case, why did they trade 1000 of the enemy for just one of their own? You want it both ways.
"I’d say they want to avoid Nakba 2"
They want to avoid a propaganda loss that their own people would rather take their chances elsewhere than continue to live in Gaza, a hellhole of Hamas's own making. And any who are forced to stay that get killed by IDF strikes are just a bonus for Hamas to use against Israel.
" If they are willing to do that, why wouldn’t they tunnel under them as well?"
According to the article, they do tunnel under hospitals. But command and control centers require more than tunnels, they need bunkers, large rooms in other words.
"How could this be done by the anyone, IDF or anyone else? How would you distinguish among people who don’t wear uniforms, and hide among the population?"
I doubt they care too much. They see mowing the lawn, exterminating the cockroaches as business as usual.
" If that’s the case, why did they trade 1000 of the enemy for just one of their own? "
Perhaps there was an election coming up. Ask Netanyahu. He is the mastermind behind the deal.
Not only that, they (Hamas, terrorists) apparently were shooting at Gazans trying to evacuate the hospital.
It's absolutely critical to them that there are civilians to hide behind.
Apparently? You don't sound very sure of yourself.
Ah, as Haaretz shows, I see....
Yes, lying Jew run media. I've heard it all before. Got any other Nazi tropes you want to trot out? How about a little Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy? We haven't heard that in a while. It's a classic.
As always, you have it all backwards misconstrueman:
The Schocken family were the sole owners of the Haaretz Group until August 2006, when they sold a 25% stake to German publisher M. DuMont Schauberg.[23] ... This deal was seen as controversial in Israel as DuMont Schauberg's father, Kurt Neven DuMont, was member of the Nazi Party and his publishing house promoted Nazi ideology.[25]
If anyone's a Nazi between the two of us, it's pretty obviously you. I respect Israel, Zionism and Jews. Otoh, you hate Israel, Zionism and Jews. You also "love" a certain group of Arab people who incorrectly self-identify as "Palestinian", though I'm sure you only support them for as long as they're killing Jews and are bent on the destruction of the Jewish State.
Actually, it's pretty funny you outed yourself so willingly. I mean... at least you could have pretended for a bit longer that you're a dove and a humanitarian. Instead you chose to say something so utterly stupid and obviously false that you've just proudly came out (for the umpteenth time) as a Jew-hating troII.
Jews are fine. It's the Jewish state that I have problems with.
"I mean… at least you could have pretended for a bit longer that you’re a dove and a humanitarian."
I'm not pretending anything. Sometimes I can be ironical. If you are confused, just ask. Leave the attempts at mind reading to qualified professionals. Thank you.
It’s mtrueman. He’s just a troll. Spouts nonsense and remarkably ignorant antagonistic claims to get you to engage with him. He then ups the nonsense after you do. He’s best ignored as he’s not a serious commenter.
Also, he's an anti-Semite. So he gets extra charged to disparage Jews when engaging in his schtick.
If their intent was to avoid civilian casualties, you would have a point. But Hamas is perfectly happy to have babies killed if it allows sympathetic people to pin it on Israel.
"But Hamas is perfectly happy to have babies killed if it allows sympathetic people to pin it on Israel."
Hamas is too clever not to milk the Israeli atrocities for all the propaganda they're worth. And Israel is all too willing to comply. So it seems highly unlikely that Hamas would store equipment under hospitals, churches, schools etc in the secure knowledge that Israel, that shining beacon of Western Values, would never attack such facilities. Such attacks are all but guaranteed. We're seeing them now, as I write this.
You are such a fucking goof. Yeah, Israel is going to go after Hamas when they hide in hospitals. Hamas doesn't give a fuck if that means some kids get killed. That's why using civilians as human shields is generally considered not a good thing to do. War fucking sucks. People get killed, including lots of innocents.
I'm not a huge booster of Israel, but they get to defend themselves. All of the death and destruction here is on Hamas. Israel's reaction has been entirely expected and predictable and is exactly what Hamas planned.
" Israel’s reaction has been entirely expected and predictable and is exactly what Hamas planned."
I expect more of Israel than you do. They shouldn't be acting out according to Hamas's play book. Israel has declared a war it can't win which endangers Jews all over the world. If you had more empathy with the people of Israel you'd be calling for a negotiated political settlement. The path you prefer, a military solution, will backfire on Israel.
"I’m not a huge booster of Israel"
That's obvious. Let's you and him fight is the extent of your boosting.
But Egypt is smart enough to not let Hamas and Palestinians leave Gaza into Egypt, so the Sinai is pretty much off limits to Hamas, too.
Another good point against this Dummy Mtruman.
I disagree. It's not as good a point as you think it is.
"But Egypt is smart enough "
Egypt is full of Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers, by the way. And Egypt's police and border patrols are likely to be as corrupt and bribeable as in any other African country.
Hamas is a organization like Al Qaeda in that it has a world wide network for smuggling and money making, with ties to various national secret services and organized crime gangs, in addition to its militia and political roles in Gaza. They even get money from the Netanyahu government. The weapons Hamas uses are American made, thought to be smuggled from Ukraine via Egypt.
I'm sure they use any weapons they can get their hands on. They make their own rockets, apparently.
>>...given Israel’s habit of singling them out for attack.
hilarious if sarcasm.
Since when has that stopped Hamas? Dummy!
Since when has that stopped Israel, is more to the point. If Israelis insist on carrying out ill conceived and intemperate attacks on hospitals, churches etc, Hamas will naturally put this to use for propaganda.
So, in the world of mtrueman, a country should place all of its military apparatus inside of churches and hospitals to insure that nothing can be done to them.
Takes a lot to see somebody simp for Hamas.
" a country should place all of its military apparatus inside of churches and hospitals"
Not if the country is planning on going to war against Israel.
Unless they don't give a fuck about civilian deaths and only want propaganda to use against Israel and keep angry mobs riled up around the world.
As opposed to Israel who doesn't give a fuck about civilian death and desperately wants to keep the world from knowing about the atrocities they perpetrate. Is that really the comparison you want to make?
Holy Hell, you're ACTUALLY an apologist for Hamas.
Why is the Left so damned fond of a group who is racist, sexist, will happily butcher LGBT folks, AND does mean tweets? They're Trump with a decidedly genocidal streak and a desire to make the lives of their citizens worse.
AND YOU ARE ON THEIR SIDE!
Good lord, do you have a moral compass?
"AND YOU ARE ON THEIR SIDE!"
Guilty as charged. I choose the side of the slaves vs. the slavers. I thought my comments here made that clear. Are you only now realizing this?
Selected slaves.
Well, when you're a raging anti-Semite like mtrueman, you will grasp for anything to blame the Jews.
You got it all backwards as always, misconstrueman. Terrorists place their stuff under/inside hospitals, schools and mosques because they know that their enemies, the hated Yahood, will not target them. They're literally using Israel's kindness as a weapon against Israel.
Consider the source.
"they know that their enemies, the hated Yahood, will not target them"
They also know their enemy and what they are capable of better than you do.
Israel has been very restrained. If they really wanted to kill everyone in Gaza they could do so easily. That's what they are capable of. The fact that they haven't done anything remotely close to that says a lot.
" If they really wanted to kill everyone in Gaza they could do so easily."
That's not what they want. They want to forceably transfer 2.3 million people to tent cities in Sinai. From there the Gazans will be expected to board leaky boats bound for European refugee camps.
Do they ALSO kill kids and use their blood for cakes? Were the Protocols of the Elders of Zion true? Did Hitler have some solid points about the Jews?
Want to see how deep the Jew hatred goes.
"Do they ALSO kill kids and use their blood for cakes? "
They want to get rid of the Palestinians. You need to pay more attention.
"Want to see how deep the Jew hatred goes."
I don't hate Jews. If I were born in a concentration camp and saw my family killed by a Jewish state, I probably would feel differently. Wouldn't you? Would your love of Jews survive a life in Gaza without hope or a future?
Yeah, too bad for the Judeocidal Hamas terrorists. Nowhere in Shifa hospital to hide. They will die violent deaths, or be touched by a darkness that can be felt (buried in the tunnels). The world willbe a better place when they're obliterated.
You sympathize with Hamas. Why not help them?
"The world will be a better place when they’re obliterated."
You have a plan B?
This is the same guy who claims that Hamas is justified if their tactics and propaganda are effective.
In a just world, the Palestinians would use only ineffective tactics and propaganda that Israel approves of.
Those poor, misunderstood Gazans who --- only massacred numerous people. How dare Israel be mean to them.
They declare war on Israel and expect NO WAR!
Leftists are evil megalomaniacs. One way ticket to leftist countries. I’m sure they’d love China. Lots of empty real estate. Business executives are disappearing again. If there’s anything a leftist hates more than not being in charge of rationing and tax collection , it’s a successful business.
It's hard to be more "conservative" than a Muslim fanatic, but the Western left embraces them. (Presumably, so long as they are over there and not over here...)
From Kubrick's Spartacus (1960), Spartacus, the general leading the slave army, talking with the representative of the pirates:
P: If you looked into a magic crystal... and you saw your army destroyed and yourself dead... if you saw that in the future... as I'm sure you're seeing it now... would you continue to fight?
S: Yes
P: Knowing that you must lose?
S: Knowing we can. All men lose when they die and all men die. But a slave and a free man lose different things. They both lose life. When a free man dies, he loses the pleasure of life. A slave loses his pain. Death is the only freedom a slave knows. That's why he's not afraid of it. That's why we'll win.
Except they didn’t win–they got cut off and slaughtered, and the survivors were crucified along the Appian Way. The defeat was, in fact, so definitive that no large-scale slave revolts of note ever happened in Rome again.
That was at the end of the movie. The part I quoted was half way through when there was still hope of escape. Crassus used his considerable fortune to bribe the pirates to renege on their deal.
Reminder, to mtrueman, spouting nonsense is an end in itself.
Well, if a script says it --- must be reality.
Do you not understand that the effectiveness of a strategy or action has somewhere between 'nothing' and 'very little' to do with whether or not, or how, that action was justified?
Justification = why
Effectiveness = how
They are measuring different things.
Hamas has an Islamist ideology. Jihad is all the justification they need.
They seek to die and lay with virgins.
Israel is doing them a favor.
"They seek to die"
They seek to win, believe it or not. They play for keeps.
given Israel’s habit of singling them out for attack
You mean like the hospital they totally bombed to smithereens but is miraculously still standing?
"You mean like the hospital"
That and others. And lets not forget the churches, mosques, schools, apartment buildings, market places and anywhere else people are likely to congregate. Gaza is the most densely populated place on the planet. The Israelis are spoiled for choice.
mNaziman, doing his best out Jew-hate Herr Misek.
Fuck you Nazi scum.
"Fuck you Nazi scum."
I know you are, but what am I? Childish taunts are not persuasive.
I'm not attempting to persuade. I'm not taunting you. I'm stating a simple fact. You are a piece of shit Nazi wannabe. Fuck you, human garbage.
I'm not impressed. If you can't muster a decent argument, it's best to stay silent. These emotional outbursts are not helping anyone. They're boring too.
Power outages killed six people, including two premature babies, over the weekend
Weird how when they're so pre-term they can't survive without a constant, steady supply of electricity they suddenly turn into babies. Almost like it's convenient for them to be clumps of cells in some situations and babies in others. Just the miracle of life I guess.
Yeah, this caught my attention as well.
I think you are looking a little too hard for inconsistency here.
There's really a pretty clear line to be drawn. Has anyone ever referred to premature births as anything other than babies?
I would ask if there were power outages in Nagasaki on August 9, 1945.
LOL.
I think you are looking a little too hard for inconsistency here.
How many premies lost due to power outages in the bombing of Dresden? The takeover of Baghdad? The US departure from Kabul? Hell, the Northeast blackout of 2003? The 2021 Texas Cold Snap?
Has anyone ever referred to premature births as anything other than babies?
Yes, "nonviable".
If your point was that reporters are being inconsistent in what is reported on in different conflicts and incidents, you should have said that instead of going for the abortion tie-in.
I must've slept through the physics or computer science or whatever classes where the laws of nature dictate that the maximum number of topics one can inconsistently report on is 1. Sounds... not even wrong.
Gaza can end this war by surrendering unconditionally.
TBF, Liz usually refers to them as babies.
"The New York Tines published" So, bullshit.
NUH UH!!!
— Lying Jeffy
If you say that, you must say something negative about Fox or Tucker. If you don’t, you are a propagandist for them!
Dairy Queen Blizzard and a stuffed crust pepperoni pizza with garlic dipping sauce.
Why do you torture us so, Chumby? First with your absence, then with a yummy lunch entrée! I didn't know Dairy Queen had pizza.
He used white privilege to patronize two separate, but equal, resturants.
Either one of us or both of us could be right.
Dairy Queen evidently has some flexible rules for franchise owners. One Dairy Queen on one side of my town serves only frozen treats. The other one in my town on the other side also serves burgers, hot dogs, chicken sandwiches, and fries.
A Dairy Queen that serves pizza would probably be possible and I certainly would welcome it.
"On Day 1, *instantly* fire 50% of federal bureaucrats."
What, like out of a canon? Sure, sounds good to me.
The only question i have is why on earth would you keep the other 50%
That's Day 2.
Maybe with a torch?
I would add this one rule to civil service protections.
-Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court has the absolute, unlimited discretion to fire any employee, or dismiss any contractor, within their respective branch of government, for any reason whatsoever or for no reason.
Though I appreciate a passion for slashing the size of government, Vivek Ramaswamy is not in fact full of very many good ideas. He always gives high-school-sophomore-in-debate-club vibes:
Wait'll you see the vibes the sitting president gives off.
Depends on the type of shampoo you use.
“Depends”
Haha.
That seems to give too much credit to the state of high school debate.
I'll argue "pro".
Do you guys remember this?
Yeah, I remember that.
Pepperidge Farms remembers. And fatties remember Pepperidge Farms.
I always figured Jeffy to be more of a store-brand Nabisco guy. More crap cheap.
Socialist Tea biscuits?
God, the hand-wringing and face-fanning that took place when that happened was hilariously over the top. The local NPR station had a piece a couple days later about a "model UN" event where these stupid teenagers that were interviewed were freaking out about it. One of them said he had a friend who was reconsidering joining the Air Force because he didn't want to go to war. No wonder the modern military is so fucked up, because it's populated by mouth-breathers like this who see the military as just another left-wing social club instead of an actual fighting force that might have to kill people and be killed.
Turns out, General Suleimani was no Archduke Ferdinand.
Still, I think Trump was incredibly lucky that Iran immediately shot down its own airliner in response.
This is a gem I hadn't seen before. I might expect this from an Oberlin college student, but from the world opinions editor
@washingtonpost
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I don't know who this David Berenstein is, but he's clearly been asleep since 2014.
If I were in a more cranky mood today, this would have me enraged, but instead I just find it amusing. Again, no idea who Berenstein is, but he clearly suffers from the disease that so many center-left, fence-sitting normie retards suffer:
Oh, it’s just college kids [oberlin students], they’ll grow out of it, man! Quit fighting kulturwarhurrdurrr.
Everyone believes that until their HR department is spewing this stuff and then they kind of sort of start to wake up.
Oh, it’s just college kids [oberlin students], they’ll grow out of it, man! Quit fighting kulturwarhurrdurrr.
That’s also the center-right in a nutshell.
Everyone believes that until their HR department is spewing this stuff and then they kind of sort of start to wake up.
Or they adopt Stockholm Syndrome and make excuses for it.
The real irony of The Matrix is that it was created by a couple of coomer troons that serves a great primer on how mainstream politics functions, which their side fully controls:
“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”
The hilarious part of Berenstein’s education is that tweet was making its rounds among the alt-right boards waaaaaaaaaaay back when it was first issued.
He’s only just noticing this now because it’s HIS people currently being targeted for the mass struggle session.
Also, being at WaPo, Attiah's primarly just a surveillance state mouthpiece.
I don’t know who this David Berenstein is, but he’s clearly been asleep since 2014.
He’s the parallel universe’s David Berenstein, he fled the antisemitism in his own universe in 2014 when, coincidentally, the David Berenstain in our universe died and no one noticed the switch… until now.
From a politically moderate Jewish student at an elite law school: “I'm doing better right now than my Jewish friends on the left. They are truly adrift. They look around and see their lefty friends celebrating the massacre of Jews, and they know that they are completely and utterly alone.”
So get out of the boat with them.
"And look like a Republican? No thanks, I'll continue to wear the mask."
Who fucking cares. Level the place.
Cool Ranch Doritos with a spicy ranch dip for extra flavor.
They need a splash of hot sauce.
"Ooh! That mayonnaise is too spicy on my Wonder Bread!"
--Emily from Mystery Science Theater 3000 using a Wy P Po Minnesota-ism.
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"Trump will unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to implement the most spectacular migration crackdown"
Great! It sounds like a good start.
" It sounds like a good start."
His 4 years of swamp draining was such an inspiration.
Bolton? Drained.
Tillerson? Drained.
Mattis? Drained.
Trump drained his entire hand picked cabinet several times over during his tenure as president.
That is correct. AS it turned out, it was hard to find someone to hire who was also interested in draining the swamp. Sort of a self-selecting group when you hire inside the beltway.
"when you hire inside the beltway."
How's the decidedly outside the beltway legal team he's recently been hiring? Are you impressed by the caliber of his choices?
Dumb cunt probably went to Oberlin... or Columbia... or Harvard... or... who am I kidding, all "elite" universities are interchangeable at this point
Plug's probably pretty disappointed. How's he gonna satisfy that urge to spew racist garbage that's always lurking just below the surface without Tim Scott?
You mean just above the surface.
"The immigration legal activists won't know what's happening."
I don't understand this collection of words and syllables.
Immigration activists who are activists in the area of the law? Activists pushing for legal immigration?
Hostess cupcakes dipped in eggnog.
Dolly Madison made better Hostess stuff than Hostess did there was a bakery in my grandma’s town in Kansas but there was also an IBP plant so it either smelled like bakery or slaughtery dependent on where you stood
Of course, the absolute worst was Little Debby.
White label Jewel/Kroger/IGA "mini donuts" that came in the same 18" plastic bags you bought loaves of bread in.
"You'll Get A Big Delight in Every Bite..."
--The Hostess slogan found in comic books, though depending on the type of "nog," they could also use it in Maxim Magazine.
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Tim Horton’s Timbits
Much better than Jeffbits.
LOL:
In demonstration of Pro-Palestinian solidarity, woman crashes car into Black Hebrew Israelites Center.
Progressive heads explode trying to decide whose side they're on.
They’ll blame Trump. The report said it was a car so they can’t even play the SUV card.
She must answer to this scandalous accusation in a court of law.
Sounds like you got overenthusiastic with your self-editing.
It's Chumby's version of Paul Harvey's famous pregnant pause before saying:
"...Good Day!"
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I didn't get this pun.
Not what I expected from a site called "reason" dot com, bunch of trolls, racists, and genocide supporters.
It's about what you might expect from any low-traffic comment section where the proprietors have forsworn any discernible attempts to moderate.