Yes, Anti-Israel Protests Are Free Speech
Peaceful pro-Palestine protests are protected by the First Amendment, even if protesters often use offensive or inflammatory rhetoric.

Last Friday, a group of college students penned a guest essay in The New York Times arguing that the wave of anti-Israel, pro-Palestine activity on many college campuses isn't legitimate free expression—and that universities have a "moral responsibility" to combat it.
"Free speech, open debate and heterodox views lie at the core of academic life," wrote Gabriel Diamond, Talia Dror, and Jillian Lederman, students at Yale, Cornell, and Brown respectively. "They are fundamental to educating future leaders to think and act morally. The reality on some college campuses today is the opposite: open intimidation of Jewish students. Mob harassment must not be confused with free speech."
The authors point out several examples of clearly unprotected speech that have unfolded in recent weeks, such as online posts made by a Cornell student who threatened to "shoot up" a kosher dining hall, as well as several instances of physical violence against Jewish students.
However, many of the other examples the authors single out are blatantly First Amendment–protected expression.
"Masked students have chanted slogans such as 'From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,' which many view as a call for the destruction of Israel. Others have shouted, 'There is only one solution, intifada revolution,'" they write. Additionally, Diamond, Dror, and Lederman noted several examples of professors who made offensive statements about the terrorist attack, lamenting that "to the best of our knowledge, none of these professors have received meaningful discipline, much less dismissal."
Despite their claimed commitments, the authors make a plain-faced call for censorship by invoking university speech codes.
"The codes of ethics of universities across the country condemn intimidation and hold students and faculty to standards of dignity and respect for others. Campuses are at a crossroads: The leadership can either enforce these ethics or these places of learning will succumb to mob rule by their most radical voices," they write. "Simply affirming that taunts and intimidation have no place on campus isn't enough. Professors violating these rules should be disciplined or dismissed. Student groups that incite or justify violence should not be given university funds to conduct activity on campus."
While universities should step in and punish students who actually break the law, like those who mount violent threats or engage in a heckler's veto to prevent other students from speaking—not to mention those who engage in actual physical violence, the authors are advocating for sweeping censorship of offensive anti-Isreal speech while implying it isn't really "free" speech at all.
"Speech is protected unless it falls into one of the narrow categories of unprotected speech," Zach Greenberg, an attorney at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, a First Amendment nonprofit, tells Reason. Greenberg adds that a protest chant like "'From the river to the sea' would be a political slogan. It's not specific, It's not targeted. It's not directly threatening any individual people [with violence]. So it would be protected by free speech."
"To be able to think freely, you have to be able to offend others. To discover our own views and to challenge the status quo. And it's hard to do that without offending others or maybe potentially offending others," says Greenberg. "Students shouldn't have to risk their educational careers walking on eggshells by censoring themselves at universities that are seeking to punish offensive speech."
Even though pro-Palestine activism on college campuses has frequently involved inflammatory rhetoric—and even open celebration of Hamas' terrorism—this speech is clearly protected by the First Amendment. While moral outrage against this speech is more than justified, calls for universities to stifle it are contrary to the values of "free speech, open debate and heterodox views" the authors say they hold dear.
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I'm all for them showing us their true colors. They are what we thought they were.
Indeed.
These morons should be encouraged to say what they think. And we should record and publicize what they say so that the rest of us will know who said what, and decide how to treat them in the future.
Jews are showing their true colours targeting civilians in refugee camps. When your goal is the genocide of a population, everyone is a human shield.
Jews and Nazis are like peanut butter and chocolate.
Except the holocaust is a lie perpetrated over and over again by Jews and their advocates to provide the ultimate pooor Jew victim identity as they commit crimes against humanity. Jews NEED their bogeyman stories.
Your credit has run out Jews.
When your holocaust lie is no longer protected by the criminalization of the evidence that exposes it your enormous guilt and debt will come due.
Claiming to be victims is the Jewish schtick.
Jews had been publicly claiming holocausts of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945.
They have learned that this lie coerces false sympathy to raise money and guilt anyone who exposes them. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
What’s the probability after being proven lying about 6 million Jewish holocaust deaths 166 times that the 167th claim is true? Better to buy a lottery ticket. Though the bullshiit narrative has been like a lottery bonanza for Jews.
Milk it while you can eh?
What proof do you have of this Israeli transgression?
Stories from survivors or family of survivors? Photos? Videos?
What would you like proof of?
Lying
Genocide
Crimes against humanity
Conning the US into WW1 for Britain’s promise of Palestine
Their religion advocates lying
Claiming being in 166 different holocausts
Fuck off, Nazi.
Murdering Jews is the Nazi schtick. Right Nazi?
You are such a monumental piece of shit.
Rob Misek, won't you be pissed when the IDF obliterates Hamas in Gaza. Hamas will die...violently in battle, or die in darkness that can be touched and felt (that is, buried alive in their terror tunnels).
The world will be a better place with fewer Hamas members in it.
We’ve all seen plenty of your 2 year old Hamas soldiers targeted by Jews.
Yes, genocide pisses me off.
You obviously advocate it.
I advocate killing every member of Hamas we can find, period.
I hope Misek goes to fight for Hamas and ends up getting his limbs blown off and burnt to a crisp, but still lives. Basically Anakin at the end of Revenge of the Sith.
Perfect fate for an unrepentant Nazi like him.
How about killing every member of Likud we can find?
Period.
I guess those conniving under-handed Jews are pretty bad at genocide, given that Palestinian populations rose for decades.
But nice one about the new Misek Reeses candy. Will this be out in time for Hitler's birthday?
I second the motion with Earth-Based Human Skeptic. It is also good, Herr Misek, that you show your ass with your chronic and reprehensible stupidity.
I’ve done my share of primitive camping many times and I know for a damn fact that “camps” do not have high-rise buildings, modern infrastructure, sophisticated , concrete-lined tunnels with electric lighting, HVAC, and provisions*, and deadly rocketry!
*Zhey probably haff und halal underground chicken ranch vhere zee animals are to be BRED UND SLAUGHTERED!!!
Dr. Strangelove–Peter Sellers–“An Astonishingly Good Idea”
https://youtu.be/zZct-itCwPE?si=8AVPeF30os4I04EM
You would love that, wouldn’t you, Herr Misek???
Fuck Off, Nazi!
When your goal is the genocide of a population, everyone is a human shield.
LOL, if this is genocide, the Israelis are really botching it, because there's more Palestinians now than at any other time in their history.
There was 10,000 more a month ago.
Their population isn’t yours to control fuckwit.
Uh huh, where are you getting this 10k number?
I’m not interested in “controlling,” anyone’s population, sharmuta. I’m laughing my ass off at how this war has buck-broken the entire western political establishment.
Being a Utilitarian American Nationalist has never felt so good.
It’s not a war. It’s a genocide slaughter.
Your tax dollars at work.
Maybe Hamas shouldn’t have fucked with Israel if they didn’t want the shit kicked out of them.
Amd where are you getting your casualty numbers? You don’t appear to want to answer that question, do you?
Bloo bloo some more.
10,000 plus one Nazi.
The U.S. military used to kill people in Japan.
That stopped when the Japanese unconditionally surrendered.
Your ignorance in the subject of History is showing. Google "The Rape of Nanking", "The Bataan Death March", "Special Unit 731" to name a few.
Google "how to actually refute a statement."
Did you see how Nanking was dressed? Totally asking for it.
This.
Also, it’s a damned shame this website doesn’t have any editors.
“Israel”, Emma, not “Isreal”. Also whatever accidental paste you made in the first paragraph.
She's still waiting for her Goddamn drink, so she might be suffering from DTs.
🙂
😉
Should they be permitted to wear masks, though, to conceal who they are?
Should they be permitted to wear masks, though, to conceal who they are?
Permitted? Not so long ago, masked were required.
What's your point?
The point is they should be treated like the KKK.
No masks.
I understand your point, but I'm not opposed to anonymity during political protests. Actual peaceful protests.
I wouldn't want to be targeted by a democratic regime if I was picketing against the latest gun control scheme. The left views POTG the same as we view the pro-Palestinians.
I really try to avoid the slippery slopes, and keep my morale compass intact.
A moral compass should be True North...but a morale compass should operate like a ceiling fan and keep you cool!
😉
🙂
OK, more proofing needed
Anonymous protests have always been allowed dumdum.
Permitted to wear masks? How about required, as in the sects that follow Fauci and Allah.
Totally agree. Even better, I hope they record their special moment in the sun while cheering for Judeocide and post it to social media. Makes it easier to identify them and make sure I minimize any reason for interacting with those pro-Hamas Judeocide terror supporters. I want those pro-Hamas, Judeocide supporting dotards out there, screaming their shit loudly and proudly; it is a free country.
Just don't get pissed when I...
-- refuse to do business with you
-- refuse to do business with your employer
-- refuse to hire you
-- refuse to have any meaningful social interaction with you
I really hope Canary Mission is able to identify you. Makes all of the above significantly easier.
Do you also want the evidence that refutes the holocaust decriminalized in every nation where it exists?
I didn’t think so.
I would actually like you to seek psychological help, Rob Misek. That is the truth.
I didn’t think so.
Denying the principle sources of pictures, video, testimony, etc is not evidence.
He’s not worth the effort.
There's no helping him, Commenter_XY. Nazis shouldn't be helped. To do so would violate the Hippocratic Oath to "First, do no harm."
He's had his ass handed to him often enough, but the concepts of "relevance" and "evidence" are beyond his understanding, so he just does more arm-waving and claims he "refutes" the shown evidence.
His stupidity is breath-taking.
Misek should be involuntarily institutionalized in an insane asylum. The 19th century kind of asylum where they basically torture and ultimately lobotomize him.
Which is still better than he deserves. Fucking Nazi piece of shit.
Not sure lobotomizing him would do any good. Misek's already brain-damaged.
True, I just like the idea.
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There are three points I think need to be made on free speech.
First. Free speech has to be free on all topics and all speakers. Those in favor of free speech only for that speech that they approve of are not promoters of free speech.
Second. Words are not violence. Violence, or the immediate threat thereof, is *not* free speech.
Third. Free speech does not come without consequences. If you say something that I consider despicable, then I will say so. In public. To a lot of people. You will not be invited to any social gatherings. And I definitely will not be hiring you. Those are all completely within *my* rights.
This is the same reason why the ACLU litigated for the Nazi scumbags who wanted to march through Skokie, IL back in the 70s. It's better to see the motherfuckers coming than let them surprise you.
Today's larval Hamassholes and lefturds are people I want identified so that I can avoid them in the future. I sure as hell don't want to inadvertently hire anyone who wants me dead.
-jcr
Illinois Nazis.
I hate Illinois Nazis.
Until the US stops sending free weapons and money overseas, various protests will continue.
The official federal debt is $33,707,000,000,000.
A) not all the protests have been peaceful. There has been a lot of violence and vandalism
B) the difference coverage between this and J6 here is out in the open
C) those committing said violence and vandalism deserve to be arrested, the same as J6
D) and not for no bail, 20 year threats, up to 20 years in jail, including months to years for non violent and non vandalism speech unlike J6
Reason is showing their preferences and bias again.
And now, one elderly jewish man has been murdered by a protester.
Mostly peaceful murder?
Actually NBC tried to frame it that way:
"Man dies after hitting head during Israel and Palestine rallies"
https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1721841095628456007
Another red suv drives through crowd moment.
Perp in that case appears to have been identified. He's a terrorist living on the taxpayers' teat.
-jcr
I’m sure Misek furiously masturbated to that news report.
Because idiots protesting with signs is the same as political zealots storming the Capital in an attempt to prevent the certification of a presidential election.
From Google:
"A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges.""
And sarc demonstrates his ignorance yet again.
There have been now 2 pro Palestine demonstrations in the Capitol that interrupted congressional meetings and work. They have entered multiple congressional offices as well. The same charges as J6 protestors.
There was just a violent protest st the white house last weekend.
But keep defending your hypocrisy with your ignorance.
I’ll add false equivalency to list of things you dont understand unless you want to just admit you’re ignorant as usual.
You are openly biased and pro state abuse of people you hate. Because you have no principles.
What you say does not equal storming the Capital in an attempt to prevent the certification of a presidential election. Unlike you I'm not attempting to defend or condemn anyone here. Just saying one of these things is not like the other.
Storming the capitol is storming the capitol, doesn't matter if you do it to protest an election or to deliver flowers. The act is illegal. Intent is for a judge and jury to decide.
Kinda like breaking and entering a average person's home. It doesn't matter if you did it with good intentions, you still broke in.
You're saying intent doesn't matter in criminal law?
The intention of the protest does not matter based on the laws used to convict 800 non violent J6 protestors dumbass.
The sole criteria is to disrupt congress, which the protestors stated was their intent, and parading, which they did.
Keep searching for unprincipled rationalizations to excuse your open biases though.
Oddly enough many of the convicted J6 protestors from the east wing that didn’t have violence and thought they were allowed to enter were still charged for entering. Only the west entrance had violence on J6.
Or the 100 or so convicted and didn't even enter the Capitol on J6 but were convicted for being in a restricted area they didn't know about as the fence line was torn down already. But keep justifying your bullshit.
I have never justified the treatment of the J6 yahoos. That’s a flat-out lie and you know it.
But if you didn’t lie about what I say and think, you wouldn’t have anything to say.
How do you lie so freely? It truly is pathological.
Who used the phrase “saint Babbitt”?
I have a bookmark literally showing him saying to throw the book at J6 protestors. He has been given it dozens of times. He just lies.
Calling her "Saint Babbitt" is not a diss on J6 or the yahoos involved.
It's a mockery of you and your fellow Trump cultists who invoke her name whenever anyone is killed by the police, because she's a martyr to your Trump-worshiping religion.
I have a bookmark literally showing him saying to throw the book at J6 protestors.
I'm sure you have something deliberately misconstrued or taken out of context. That's what you call a gotcha and what honest people call a lie.
Full cited and copied posts are misconstrued how dummy?
You say a lot of stupid and retarded shit. Nobody has misconstrued it. Youre just dumb.
So it is only presidential election certifications that make storming the Capitol to prevent Congress from operating that is doubleplusungood? That seems to be splitting hairs exceedingly fine.
Take this sentence to someone who knows the English language and then get back to me:
"I’m not attempting to defend or condemn anyone"
You literally did and continue to condemn any political group you hate including an 80 year old grandmother who dared walk between guide ropes in the Capitol. While excusing groups you dont hate.
Now you’re making stuff up, as always.
You have 3 fucking years of condemning j6 you ignorant lying fuck. Even in this thread your trying to rationalize why J6 was different despite no difference im behavior per the laws utilized.
This is the part of the conversation where you make up things I never said nor did then call me a liar when I disagree.
As predictable as the tides.
You are arguing with a religious zealot. Contradictions mean nothing to him.
That's funny. You're attempting to call me religious while JesseAz will vehemently defend anything done by Trump or the Republican Party. Ha!
What a pathological liar you are sarc.
I’ve criticized trump fat more than you’ve ever criticized Biden. You can’t help it can you?
To you not applauding abusive state powers being used against political enemies is defending the person.
*snort*
Yeap. You get off on lying.
Yeap. You get off on lying.
Says the guy who's never made a truthful statement in his entire life. Too funny.
"What you say does not equal storming the Capital in an attempt to prevent the certification of a presidential election."
You are saying that this amounts to a difference in kind that merits one to be vociferously condemned and one to be...not.
Contradicting what you had done in the following sentence does not mean you did not make a judgment in the first sentence.
Are you asking me what I think or telling me what I think?
He is telling you what you actually posted.
A 100 page diatribe by Hitler saying why jews should be killed doesn't change because he adds an addendum saying he doesn't support killing jews.
Your biases are obvious. Even here you continue to rationalize why J6 was different in order to support those convictions.
I guess there's no need for me to participate in this conversation since you're just going to state what I think an argue against it.
I and others here are literally stating what you posted.
Do you get off on lies?
Then GTFO here pussy. You’re never needed.
I am telling you what you said you think. Perhaps you do not express yourself as well as you think you do, or your thoughts are inherently contradictory on this subject.
That is your biased interpretation, not what I wrote.
He is a pathological liar. He knows what he posted. His attempt at rationalizing the two groups as being different is clear. He even called out false equivalence despite the conditions of the law showed yo be the same. He knows what he posted. He just lies when he gets put into a corner using his own arguments.
It is literally what you wrote sarc.
And with that you have avoided making any explanation of why it is a difference in kind.
And with that you have avoided making any explanation of why it is a difference in kind.
Just to be clear, you see no difference between trying to stop the certification of a presidential election and protesting Israel invading Gaza?
If that’s the case then we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I will agree that the people involved are being treated differently, but that's a separate issue.
Lol. And he goes back to attempting a differentiation absent in the laws while claiming he doesn't treat the two differently.
God damn.
"Just to be clear, you see no difference between trying to stop the certification of a presidential election and protesting Israel invading Gaza?"
"There have been now 2 pro Palestine demonstrations in the Capitol that interrupted congressional meetings and work. They have entered multiple congressional offices as well. The same charges as J6 protestors."
Unless you are claiming the pro-Palestinians protests did not interrupt the business of Congress, then no.
Unless you are claiming the pro-Palestinians protests did not interrupt the business of Congress, then no.
Interrupting what business? You don't think the certification of the presidential election is different than regular daily affairs? I do.
We really don’t give a fuck what your retarded wet brain thinks you drunk pussy.
Sarc. Thr law is defined. It does not segregate certification from all other work you retarded fuck.
Which law does not justify charges against both groups?
All you are doing is rationalizing why the state should throw the book at one group and not the other. This is you again being unprincipled.
You dont care if the left riots, protests, causes harm, kills people.
You do care trump supporters are locked away for years.
It is political. It is unprincipled. It is your general viewpoint.
The law being used against J6 protestors covers the same behaviors as the palestine protestors. You want the execution of said law to be different based on politics.
I'm not going to argue with the voices in your head. Address what I said here or fuck off.
This is literally what you are fucking doing in this thread dumbass. Multiple people have already called you out on it.
It isnliterally what you did here.
sarcasmic 42 mins ago
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What you say does not equal storming the Capital in an attempt to prevent the certification of a presidential election.
It is literally what you did when you screamed false equivalence when both sides violated the law under the same conditions.
You are an unprincipled retard who doesn't understand what he writes apparently.
The law is clear. Both sides violated. You claim false equivalence. When called put you then say you have no bias.
You aren't fooling anyone dumbfuck.
Your talent for extrapolating things that are not there is quite impressive.
I'll add extrapolating to words you dont know the definition of.
I posted YOUR fucking words.
Are you just retarded or something?
You posted one sentence and extrapolated a paragraph that exists only in your imagination.
You really are this dumb.
You do have one heck of an imagination. I'll give you that.
Pathological.
He’s spot on, you piece of shit.
My friend, let me tell you how your words sound.
"It's okay when my side breaks the law because our intentions are pure".
This is viewpoint discrimination and is completely and absolutely illegal.
The January 6th protestors were protesting government corruption and what they thought was stripping them of their voting rights by falsifying the election.
These people are protesting government support of what they view as the wrong side of a war.
In their minds, both are honorable causes. Whether you agree with them is immaterial. They should be punished the same.
So you think the charges against the J6 yahoos are justified if the other side gets treated similarly?
Lol. You were just screaming false equivalence to rationalize the J6 convictions.
Holy fuck man. Just pathological.
I wasn't rationalizing anything. That's the voices in your head talking again.
Holy fuck man. Just pathological.
You really are a dumb broken unprincipled shit aren’t you. Lol.
Pour drunken pussy Sarc…….
Now he’s backtracking. What a surprise.
As you know, insurrection in this context involves the disruption of government business with the specific purpose of overthrowing the government (either directly, or by disrupting the lawful transfer of power). Without that, it's just disrupting government business, and should be punished accordingly.
Proving that specific intent is the difficult part, which is why federal prosecutions under the insurrection statutes are so rare. It is much easier for the government to simply prove that a defendant disrupted government business. The feds are known for bringing prosecutions only when they are very likely to win, so don't expect many speculative insurrection prosecutions any time soon. (All bets are off if Trump is re-elected, of course--he has promised to wield the Justice Department like a hammer, next time...)
They tried to storm the white house
Yep.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/5/pro-palestinian-marchers-push-against-white-house-/
Scenes of pro-Palestinian demonstrators shaking the White House gate and defacing statues throughout the District resulted in a single arrest Saturday as thousands descended on the nation’s capital to protest for a cease-fire in the Israel-Gaza war.
U.S. Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said no one was taken into custody when protesters began pushing against and trying to climb a White House gate.
Chants of “Biden, Biden you can’t hide! We charge you with genocide!” and “Hey hey, ho ho, Genocide Joe has got to go!” rang out from the crowd during the march.
Marchers also shouted “Allahu akbar” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” with the latter chant largely seen as an antisemitic call to get rid of the Jewish state and its people.
Sauce for the goose. Lefty college admins have been censoring their political opponents for long. Now the pro-Palestinian activists, who always thought they were protected, are getting the treatment. Let them burn. Blue on blue now means less.blues later.
Edit: didn't mean to post this as a reply to comment above, but I can't seem to delete it.
Yeah, this is the really incredulous part. I wouldn't necessarily agree with it, but I could understand if, after Jan. 6th, they started busting the heads of any, even modestly, unruly protesters. A broad, neutral policy of "The former administration allowed that nonsense, ours doesn't." that even people opposed to the administration could rationalize. But I can't fathom how, when even their own donors and brainwashed, bought-and-paid-with-student-loans useful idiots are saying, "Holy Shit! These brown people we support against "colonization" are fucking insane!" they think "Letting *these* protests go on after we prosecuted the others is fine." (Unless, of course, we've achieved 'Whose Line Is It Anyway?' Democracy).
It's a useful demonstration of double standards, therefore power
I get that some might perceive it as such, but it seems to, at least in part, be corroding some of the parts of that power.
I get "the power to destroy a thing is the power to control a thing" but once you actually destroy it, even if you survive the process, the power is gone.
That's a tomorrow problem.
The left doesn't care about tomorrow problems. They seek to acquire as much power as possible today.
They figure if they get enough power today, then they can deal with tomorrow problems later.
A. Ok well the article says clearly: “universities should step in and punish students who actually break the law”
B. The difference in treatment is proportional to the difference in the nature and extent of the protests
C. See point A.
D. See point B.
Did you and sarc get together for these rationalizations to promote political abuse of the law?
Which team jersey the person is wearing matters.
Peaceful pro-Palestine. Jumbo Shrimp. Military Intelligence. Civil War.
What are examples of an oxymoron Alex.
I know it. A couple instances of violence means every protest was violent and every protestor is a rioter who deserves death. Now let's see you judge the J6 yahoos the same way.
The DoJ has charged over 800 J6 protestors who causes no violence and no vandalism. You continue to ignore this for some reason. Oh yeah. Your blind hatred.
What were they charged with?
Never mind. I found it.
I'm not saying that what happened to the J6 people was fair. I'm saying that it is a false equivalency, and that two wrongs don't make a right.
"two wrongs don’t make a right"
But three do.
But three rights make a left.
They were charged with disruption of congress and parading. The same fucking thing youre excusing Palestinian protestors of doing.
Are you such an unprincipled piece of shit?
It isnliterally fucking equivalent based on the law you retarded fuck.
And yes you have and continue to condemn one set of protestors and not the other. You mock 5 year sentences for feet on desks, 3 year sentences from walking around with a podium, the murder of an unarmed woman.
Youre such an unprincipled shit.
I said neither should be charged for what J6 got. You continue to state J6 deserved it but not this group despite the laws being used being EQUIVELANT.
All that anger and hatred must be hell on your blood pressure.
Projection buddy. See your rage quit yesterday lol.
You being retarded doesn't anger me.
I assume you must work from home because screaming at the computer would cause alarm in an office.
You continue to state J6 deserved it
You're saying that in response to "I’m not saying that what happened to the J6 people was fair."
You're so blinded by blind hatred and animosity that you can't even read.
You have 3 years of posts stating otherwise.
Your post here says otherwise.
sarcasmic 42 mins ago
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What you say does not equal storming the Capital in an attempt to prevent the certification of a presidential election.
Your failed attempt at false equivalence says otherwise.
Ha! Funny!
Back in reality land we have three years of you accusing me of things I never said nor did while insisting I’m the liar when I disagree with you when you tell me what I think and believe.
Basically what you're been doing this entire thread.
Again. Pathological. You can’t help it.
I have an explocit provable lie from you this week. Do you want me to post it? You are just too dumb to understand what you actually say and too pathological to admit you're a political lying pos. Lol.
I wasn’t aware Palestine protestors stormed congress and infiltrated the chambers - MSM must be blocking it on the news.
Every news agency has reported on it including today.
If only one sides gets charged with the wrongs....why should we care if the other side gets hit with anything (mind you, they will not)? Fuck 'em.
Progressives feel no need to justify abandoning their "principles" at a moment's notice and it has worked out quite well for them.
Claiming the J6 yahoos were mere tourists is just as dishonest as calling it an insurrection.
Progressives feel no need to justify abandoning their “principles” at a moment’s notice and it has worked out quite well for them.
They never abandoned. They never had any.
As far as I can tell progressives have two principles. They feel that fairness is more important than justice, and they believe might makes right.
Oh, one more. That we should be ruled by unaccountable experts because people are too stupid to run their own lives. That's part of the might makes right.
This is sarc admitting he was wrong so now he tries non sequitur attacks. Maybe I should post ATMs citation of sarc here.
Lost an argument so now he cries like a little bitch lol.
You're shouting insults and making stuff up because I lost an argument? Too funny.
What shouts sarc? Calling out you for being unprincipled isn't being angry. I'm not the only one doing so. It is you being unprincipled.
You really are a piece of shit. Lol.
You're not even arguing about the protests. Your entire argument is against me as a person. Get a fucking life, man.
Then go away Sarc. Crawl into a bottle and never come out.
It’s all because he hates anything related to Trump. Plus Sarc is basically the town drunk of the commentariat. Like Otis from The Andy Griffith Show. Just not decent or lovable, and instead a violent deviant.
Moderate democrat, General; don't forget moderate democrat.
You mean a DINO?
Martin?
“Greenberg adds that a protest chant like “‘From the river to the sea’ would be a political slogan. It’s not specific, It’s not targeted.”
It is specifically eliminationist rhetoric, calling for the genocide of the Israeli Jewish population. At best, it is being somewhat coy that the protestors are calling for the area they call “Palestine” be judenfrei.
Fight like hell = incitement.
Commit genocide = not incitement
Truth in posting edit:
(R) Fight like hell = incitement.
(D) Commit genocide = not incitement
Democrats hate accountability.
But it's not targeted at a specific individual. So presumably the speaker would be fine with "America should be free of blacks" because it doesn't call out a specific black person. It doesn't even specify violence!
Somehow I suspect that these schools would not be as sanguine about such a sentiment being expressed on campus.
Also protected speech, in the USA.
Keep going!
That it may be, but try doing so on a college campus. I triple dog dare you.
So why do you support the double standards that are held at university campuses?
Remember when Palin placing crosshairs on districts she wanted the right to target for voting was a clear cut cause of Giffords' shooting?
It's still protected speech, at least it is in the USA.
Where do you live?
Trump never got that benefit for speech that’s far less egregious than what the anti-Israel protesters are chanting. You do not believe in free speech for everyone in the USA.
Isn’t it calling for the elimination of the Israeli state, rather than the Jewish people?
No. It’s calling for both. Both are Hamas’ stated goals and enshrined in their charter. So support of Hamas is support for a Jewish genocide.
I think you know the answer. Unless you think this “Palestine” everybody is talking about is going to be some groovy multi-ethnic/religious love fest that Israel were incapable of making themselves because they’re just so…colonial…or something.
Protesting in support of a terrorist group who publicly states their goal is genocide, with the odd Death to America" thrown in.
Speech should be free, but not without consequences.
Doxing every one of these death promoters should be the least of the consequences they should face.
Consequences? What kind of fascist Nazi oppressor are you?
If right-thinking good people can't live without consequences, why bother with political activism?
Agreed.
For those who are not American citizens, deportation should be swift. We have no obligation to import chaos and hatred into America, we have more than enough of the home-grown variety.
Thoughtcrime shall not be tolerated.
Condition of their Visa retard.
They must support Israel as a condition of having a visa?
Support Israel? Nice strawman. Maybe just not openly calling for Judeocide? How 'bout dat?
No no their visa is contingent upon them not thinking exactly how I do. We have no obligation to import people who don’t bow before me.
We have an obligation not to import terrorists and commies to a free society.
They can't support terrorist groups which State has declared Hamas to be dumbass.
But actual crime is ignored.
Thoughtcrime shall not be tolerated.
You are a thoughtcrime. Perhaps that's why so few people tolerate you. Sarcasmic, the lying, broken alcoholic.
Don’t forget that he’s also a gutless pussy who runs and hides after making drunken threats.
Non citizens don’t have constitutional rights like citizens you drunk pussy.
Now fuck off, m’kay bitch?
Destroying the lives of Hamas supporters is a noble goal. Render them unemployable and use every legal pretext to ruin their lives. Then expand that to all Marxists.
This country must become toxic to these people until we run them all out.
Anti-Israel protests are not free speech. Free speech would be calmly stating that one does not agree with the current policies of the Israeli government. The "protests" are quasi-riots and the amalgamation of all antisemitic tropes in existence. These "protests" are calls for genocide against all Jews. These "protests" are calls for the destruction of the sole Jewish State in our world. These "protests" are calls for violence against Jews and their allies, just as we've seen this a couple days ago. These "protests" are supporting terrorism and jihad.
To sum it up, these "protests" are libelous, slanderous, and are calling for imminent lawless actions and therefore, they should be condemned. Jews are visibly threatened daily, to the point where they have to hide in libraries and whatnot. This cannot stand in any civilized country, let alone in the USA.
But it was ok when Jews were excepted from "whiteness" and hate is taught in schools
Hate should not be taught in schools, that goes without saying.. But the Terrorcrats have a different opinion about that.
Still protected speech, in the USA.
Feel free to move somewhere else, eh?
You forget that the only speech the people in these comments tolerate is praise of Trump and Republicans. Anything else is thoughtcrime and punishable by death. Seriously. We've got people calling for the murder of political opponents and I get attacked for pointing it out, which means everyone implicitly approves.
"We’ve got people calling for the murder of political opponents and I get attacked for pointing it out, which means everyone implicitly approves."
They are cowards and their commitment to their words is paper thin. Or so cloaked in irony that it descends into self parody. What they want is to have their biases confirmed, and little else.
You describe yourself, and your fellow travelers well.
Says the one who's too afraid to write with his real name and prefers to hide behind ludicrous pseudonyms.
My pseudonyms are far less ludicrous than the Marxist drivel you post. And if you’re so brave, why don’t you publish your full name, address, and phone number here?
"And if you’re so brave,"
I'm not that brave. Braver than you, of course, and smarter, but that's a low bar.
They are cowards and their commitment to their words is paper thin.
But enough about yourself there, Misconstrueman.
Says another one who’s too afraid to write with his real name and prefers to hide behind ludicrous pseudonyms.
You idiots seem intent on proving my point for me.
Let me guess, your commitment to Israel doesn't extend beyond your idiot comments here.
You get attacked by me because you threatened to come kick my ass, you gutless pussy. But you’re too big a drunken coward to address that.
It’s a shame you won’t try. I would love a legal pretext to sort you out.
"Anti-Israel protests are not free speech."
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
https://twitter.com/not_tooloee/status/1722091950298587158?t=RuuJPA19-UPEayItBboUug&s=19
The Dems are out here electing literal camgirls, dementia patients, and ogres. If that’s not a flex of raw political power, idk what is
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I was pulling for the camgirl candidate. Looks like she rose to the occasion. Erections matter.
She's as mid as mid gets
Oh, and she apparently lost.
She caters very well to those turned on by humiliation.
LOL, too funny. Was she Chinese? 🙂
So it came out in the end?
It highlights two things: The left is morally bankrupt and elections no longer matter. Rome has fallen.
When the empire formally ends, it will likely be a big surprise to many.
>>There are still a few votes out there, but how is she not getting smashed in the polls?
getting smashed somewhere ...
Maybe she will pull it out. If the campaign HQ closed too early, that would be a case of premature evacuation.
from what I hear her pornHub has the premature evacuation problem.
Hehe. He said pole.
Once went to this gentleman’s club in Krakow. It was called Pole Dancers.
Can't imagine that being in Blue Ball, PA.
Also went to one north of Helsinki. It was called Lap Land.
Once again, my mind goes back to a time when a local candidate by the name of Jack Ryan was in a heated contest with another political neophyte by the name of Barack Obama. Barack and the IL-GOP colluded with the California courts against both Jack and Jeri Ryan's wishes to disclose the fact that he wanted to take her to semi-private sex clubs, embarrass him, and bounce him out of the race.
There is no contradiction here. The 1A prohibits the federal government from placing restrictions on speech on private citizens; it does not prohibit private actors from doing so.
Turns out it has not prohibited the federal government from placing restrictions on speech.
You're obviously unfamiliar with two centuries of First Amendment court decisions.
https://twitter.com/FistedFoucault/status/1722234018970935374?t=utSi6D1LvFH0uql2sBXtvA&s=19
Bosnian Croat General Slobodan Praljak (he of poison drinking at The Hague fame) explains how they knew that Mujahideen were entering Bosnia during the war, but any attempts to stop them were met with cries of "fascism!" by the US and much of W. Europe.
They had Red Cross/UN IDs
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Where in this scenario does the assault on the White House fall?
(random thought: Why are we still allowed to call that place the "white" house?)
I’m surprised that Joe’s puppeteers didn’t change it to ‘White Privilege House’.
“Students shouldn’t have to risk their educational careers walking on eggshells by censoring themselves at universities that are seeking to punish offensive speech.”
What did the writer think was happening for the last 30 years? Today, you can lose your job for advocating mass murder. Yesterday, you could lose your job for a bad joke you told as a teenager 20 years ago.
“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” has a meaning in the Islamic world – that the state of Israel must be destroyed. To pretend that in the Western world it has a different meaning is stupid at best and a threat at worst. Without the state of Israel, Jews in that region would be massacred.
Well said!
As long as we're extrapolating specifics from a rhyming protest slogan, even many people who support a "one-state solution" would also claim that everyone within that one (Muslim) state should be free to practice their own religion. They say this.
Having lived in Muslim countries (as an atheist), I have observed that many (most?) do allow people to practice other religions within their borders. Even Iran allows Christian churches to operate in public.
Of course, other Muslim countries prohibit the exercise of other religions, "tax" it or otherwise make it very difficult to do so (and the barbaric execution of apostates is still a feature in many of these un-godly shitholes).
But, unless you assume "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" always includes the most extreme possible "one-state", it is plainly false to claim that it is equivalent to calling for Holocaust 2.0.
Why would you assume anything else so long as Hamas is representing Palestinians? One as well travelled as you is certainly aware of Hamas and what they’re actually about. Right?
Hamas is the Palestinian government. Hamas’s charter unambiguously states it is their goal to annihilate Israel and exterminate the Jewish people. So you can stop with your bullshit.
You’re not fooling anyone.
Yesterday, you could lose your job for a bad joke you told as a teenager 20 years ago.
Today, you could lose your job and career for saying, "I think I know what a woman is".
Everybody's views are "free speech". The expression of certain views are "non-violent" even if they are violent (mostly peaceful protests come to mind) The only exception to this is the Conservative viewpoint.
Another "alpha victim" reporting for duty...
I'm not a "victim". Prove me wrong.
"I’m not a “victim”
Of course not. But you wish you were. Like those Israeli assholes at the UN with their yellow stars.
You really are murdering Marxist filth. Israel is good. Hamas is evil.
Case closed.
Another wanna be victim chimes in with his inane comments. Get a life.
Could you make your antisemitism any more obvious? It's doesn't take an "alpha victim" to see Hamas for what it is and to point out the double standards of those who support them.
Another lefty shit heard from.
Although I fully support free speech everywhere including on college campuses, it's also important to call out examples of unequal protection of free speech that is clearly partisan or sectarian. If even the incidental mention of a controversial leftist opinion is considered by university officials to be hate speech and sends students screaming to their safe spaces; but Palestinian supporters' blatant approval of terrorist mass murders is considered to be protected speech by those same officials simply because the terrorists are members of Hamas and the victims were Israelis, then it's not just "whataboutism" any more - it's discrimination and those officials and their outrageous policies deserve the most severe criticism we can come up with.
ya right up until someone's grampa gets beaten to death in Thousand fucking Oaks lol
>>Greenberg adds that a protest chant like "'From the river to the sea' would be a political slogan. It's not specific, It's not targeted. It's not directly threatening any individual people [with violence].
and this ^^ is not true. pretending different is mouthpiece-ing for Hamas.
college campuses isn'tA New legitimate free expression—and that universities have a "moral responsibility" to combat it.
Poor editing is free speech!
I have to say, this pivot by Reason has me pretty confused.
We've swung wildly between a complete abandonment of the principles of free speech in favor of lawyerly definitions of "censorship" vs "moderation" to what seems like a pretty reasonable defense of the principles of free speech.
If Reason is going to land back in the back yard of "principles of free speech" then good for them. But since I allowed myself to get dragged into the "lawyerly definition" of "censorship vs moderation" camp, I'm going to argue from there for a minute.
Yes, the principles of free speech and free expression mean that these students can say odious stuff and... I GUESS not get kicked out of the university--even if they are kind of sort of proposing final solutions to the Jewish question (if anyone ten years ago thought we'd be here, arguing this kind of speech from our most liberal sectors of society, raise your hand).
But... as was argued recently about the Florida RSO, the University has NO obligation to give RSO status to any group that doesn't maintain at least some level of decorum-- which, unfortunately, exists at the University's pleasure. One can argue about how this or that set of speech guidelines can be used against a different disfavored group, sure, but in many ways, that's life.
Universities... public OR private don't have to tolerate literally every word and syllable uttered by literally every professor and student or student group.
Hell, I remember right here in these comment pages that we don't seem to hear anything about professors demanding that "all niggers must hang" or "The jews must be gassed" because we clearly "know how to deal with that type of speech". And yet, we're pretty much literally there now, so I guess I watch with great trepidation to see how this speech is handled.
poorly. and obviously unedited.
Killing an elderly man by beating him on the head with a bullhorn, however, is not speech. California needs constitutional carry NOW.
-jcr
Californians are already allowed to carry bullhorns. Look where it got them.
"...isn'tA New legitimate free expression..." - sic
Need an editor, stat!
Except they aren’t peaceful protests against Israel.
They are violent protests promoting violence against Jews. We’ve seen people attacked at them. One killed in LA.
This is, prima facie, a largely anodyne opinion. Of course peaceful public protest, even if the slogans and speech is offensive, is protected. What the author actively omits, however, is that incitement to violence is not protected speech under the 1st Amendment and, beyond that, most of these protests have not been all that peaceful. We’ve routinely seen harassment, menacing, bullying, and behavior that, crosses the line into assault, both verbal and physical, from these protesters. In fact, that behavior has been the *norm* at most of the anti-Israel / pro-Palestinian protests. Not peaceful and definitely, in most cases, inciting.
In the past couple of weeks we've seen the biggest anti-war demonstrations in 20 years. And you are on the opposite side, as you doubtless were 20 years ago during the run up to Iraq. You're not alone. Many influential figures whom I respected for their anti-war stance, Tulsi Gabbard, Donald Trump, and RFK Jr, for starters, share your fear and contempt for the new anti-war movement. Not even the libertarian Reason can endorse it. Seems it's mostly a generational thing, with young people leading the way. Young people are the least likely to support military aid to Israel or Ukraine, and overwhelming disapprove of Israeli handling of the Oct. 7 attack.
Nothing I wrote indicates a pro-war or anti-war stance and your presumption of what my views may or may not be is just that, presumption. What I did write had to do with the conduct of protesters, not the content of the protests themselves. Illiteracy is not a virtue. You should work on that. It will improve your life. Really, it will. I promise.
Nothing you've written takes a stand against the war. It's all a shameless smear against anti-war protestors. Who are you trying to fool? The largest anti-war protests in 20 years and all your can offer is groundless whining about the protestors.
Sure, that is free speech but they can easily suffer some consequences from using that free speech. Free speech does not mean no cost.
Many don't want to remember the kindergarten lesson of "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me."
The liberal universities have a double standard on freedom of speech, treating conservative vs. liberal speech quite differently, and it shows. Punishing students for political stands is un-American and control of speech.
Promoting the heckler's veto to shut down speech you don't like is promoting incivility and harms those who arranged and paid for the venue and the speaker's expenses: it's an immoral and should be illegal because that is real harm.
I appreciate those supporting censorship, showing us their true colors, so we can speak about their intolerance, lack of support for our freedoms, and how un-American they are. The will no doubt, call for our censorship, and I hope everyone who supports our freedoms, chooses to not associate or do business with them.
I'm so glad I chose to go to another less political school, even though I was accepted to attend Stanford as an undergraduate.
And, Here I thought that only Elon Musk was talking about free speech after overtaking Twitter and Turning it into "X".
Even though a lot has changed on Twitter. There is no free speech. https://www.easkme.com/2022/10/elon-musk-owns-twitter.html
Free speech is a dream that we all want to have but don't want to share.
99% of people only want free speech they agree with.
You don't get to use the free speech argument when you have banned conservative speakers from campus, or allowed your street communist violence to keep dissenting opinions away because you are "afraid of violence."
Is that kind of like a peaceful lynch mob?
Do you really get to use the word "peace" when you're openly advocating in favor of the violent extermination of a specific group of people?