Republicans Pivot to Bombing Iran in Third Debate
Sen. Tim Scott: "You actually have to cut off the head of the snake, and the head of the snake is Iran and not simply their proxies."

After two debates full of promises to bomb Mexico, the Republican presidential candidates turned their eyes toward a more traditional target for saber rattling: Iran.
Sen. Tim Scott (R–S.C.) staked out the most aggressive position against Iran, seemingly calling for direct American airstrikes against Iranian military units that have been involved in the recent strikes against U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria.
To stop the attacks on U.S. troops, "you've got to strike in Iran if you want to make a difference," Scott said. "You cannot just continue to have strikes in Syria on warehouses. You actually have to cut off the head of the snake, and the head of the snake is Iran and not simply their proxies."
"My foreign policy is simple," he concluded. "You cannot negotiate with evil, you have to destroy it."
In subsequent responses, other candidates—except for businessman Vivek Ramaswamy—were asked if they would support military action against Iran as well.
Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley came the closest to joining Scott in calling for strikes. "This is Iran giving them the green light, telling them what to do," she said, referring to the various Middle Eastern militia groups with ties to Iran that have been behind the strikes on U.S. troops and several rocket attacks aimed at Israel.
"We need to go and take out the infrastructure that they are using to make those strikes so they can never do it again," she said. "You punch them once and you punch them hard, and they will back off."
Perhaps the most diplomatic response came from former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who said he would "continue to isolate Iran so their only friends in the world are the…evil foursome of China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea," possibly invoking the infamous "Axis of Evil" from the George W. Bush presidency.
None of the candidates grappled with the most relevant question regarding the Iranian-backed militia strikes on American troops in Iraq and Syria: Why are American troops on the ground in Iraq and Syria in the first place? Surely, a better way to protect those American lives would be to remove them from a place where they are at risk—and where they might draw America into a broader war with Iran.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis got the closest to raising that point, though his answer was more than a bit muddled.
"I am not going to put our troops in harm's way unless you're willing to defend them with everything you have," he said, seemingly gesturing toward an argument for getting those troops out of harm's way in the first place. (Later, DeSantis would strike a stronger position in vowing not to send American troops to Ukraine—but followed that up with a vow to send troops to America's border with Mexico.)
Then, DeSantis pivoted to a more hawkish perspective. "I would say: 'you harm a hair on the head of an American service member and you are going to have hell to pay,'" he said. "We are not just going to sit there and let our service members be sitting ducks….We have to be strong, and we have to defend the people who defend us."
The leading candidate in the Republican field is, of course, former President Donald Trump, who was not part of Wednesday's debate. But while in office, Trump's foreign policy toward Iran was noteworthy for his relative restraint—so much so that notorious Iran hawk John Bolton fumed for years about how Trump thwarted his plans to start another Middle Eastern war.
It's a stretch to say that Trump's skepticism about America's foreign policy misadventures explains his lead in the polls. Still, other candidates looking to stand out in the Republican field ought to remember that GOP primary voters have favored foreign policy restraint, not dangerous threats to start new foreign wars.
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The Democrats - if Democrats had debates and didn't just appoint their candidate through backroom dealing - will be debating not on whether or not to bomb Israel, but how badly we should bomb them.
Should we ask the U.N. permission to nuke the jews? - The Democrats
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Wasn't that just Omar?
Show your math, because it looks like you're pushing a narrative contrary to evidence.
https://twitter.com/AIPAC/status/1592276186238836736?t=7_JURK8NhEAycIXqwl1kAg&s=19
AIPAC proudly supported 365 pro-Israel members of Congress and candidates this election cycle.
We are proud to stand with pro-Israel Democrats and Republicans to strengthen bipartisan support for the U.S.-Israel relationship.
Being pro-Israel is good policy and good politics!
Here, I'll help.
13/535=2.4% anti Israel.
65.8% less than Israel's (US) congressional representation.
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1722421589650645135?t=MJiiVj32K6mRdoHn_4Velg&s=19
10,000+ Palestinians killed = 0 white co-sponsors
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10,000+ Palestinians killed = 0 white co-sponsors
Are you advertising this propaganda? I'm only like 50% sure Tlaib didn't go into everyone's office and said "Ceasefire!" and when they said "Do you mean an actual ceasefire or just a, you know, 'ceasefire'?" these are the people who agreed to support it when she put her finger to her nose and said, "A, you know, a ceasefire."
I posted a picture of the anti Israel element in congress. All 13 of them. But sure, guess I'm also pushing propaganda against white Americans because the tweet bitches about whites...
If the Squad supports it, it is probably a shit idea.
Israel should be free to do whatever it needs to do.
Also, I don't know who the dude in the upper left is, but he certainly looks exceedingly "white adjacent" if not plainly one of those "I'm from a country that's not the US and that makes me a POC... today." situations.
It's a stupid tweet on multiple levels, but it does demonstrate that the anti Israel coalition in congress is tiny.
Right. Let Israel and Hamas fight it out.
Point is that congress isn't going to turn on Israel when Israel has 365 members in its pocket and only 13 are proving anti Israel sentiment covered by spurious appeals to humanitarianism because they can't be as open about their opposition as pro Israel is about their support.
Unfortunately, the US is going to continue being blamed for anything Israel does.
Kinda what happens when one side decides to slaughter over 1000 people for literally no reason.
Don't write checks the ass cannot cash.
Correct.
Hopefully the Republican clown show that can't even get appropriations bills passed will be overthrown in the 2024 election and the Democrats won't need any of the Squad to keep their majority.
What an asinine comment!! Democrats with very few exceptions are falling all over each other to give money and bombs to Israel. Biden even manages to out-Jew the Jewish members of Congress. You, sir, are an idiot.
Correct. It is the Republicans who are preventing additional aid to Israel right now.
Democrats have debates and primaries. Every year.
And are never going to bomb Israel.
Trump wins the debate without even showing up.
Bomb the budget and stop military adventurism.
So sending missiles and bombs to defend Ukraine is okay with Boehm but using missiles and bombs to defend the USA is bad?
Correct.
Ukraine's and Israel's borders are sacred, ours are just imaginary lines that every person in the world has a right to cross without any intent to ever leave.
Only a complete fucking idiot could fail to tell the difference between a military invasion or murderous terrorist attacks on the one hand and people peacefully seeking a better life on the other. Oh, right, who am I talking to? Silly me.
LOL
https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1721419488434774191?t=-kuy9GYGTrMoBqzzm_bd7w&s=19
GPS tracking was used to monitor the movements of packs of wolves, revealing how these packs strategically avoid each other's territories. The data for this tracking was collected from wolves in six different packs located around Voyageurs National Park in Minnesota. This research has formed the basis of The Voyageurs Wolf Project.
The primary mission of this project is to conduct studies on wolves and their interactions with prey species such as moose, deer, and beavers during the summer months in and around Voyageurs National Park, Minnesota. The data provides fascinating insights into the avoidance behaviors among these wolf packs.
In general, the territory of a typical wolf pack in the park covers an area of approximately 50-70 square miles, although this size can vary from year to year. This territory is roughly equivalent to the regions delineated by different colors on the map, with the white line marking the boundary of the national park itself.
Wolves tend to steer clear of one another's territories unless they are compelled to compete for limited food resources. In such cases, conflicts may arise, leading to confrontations with rival packs as they seek to maintain their claims on specific locations and their associated food sources.
Human activities, like habitat clearing, can force wolves to adjust their territories. When their natural habitat is disrupted, wolves may be forced to find new routes to reach their sources of food. These changes can further contribute to conflicts between various wolf packs as they navigate the challenges of territorial boundaries and resource competition.
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That would be the 2018 Libertarian Platform Committee. They whanged the migration plank to make it BEG rag... er... the devout pronatalist faithful to sneak in and hijack planes into skyscrapers. This also extends to inviting 2000 jihadists to hop the border at 29 breaches and leave 3900 dead and wounded because Bokononism, fon Mises and Murry Rottbutt! Lest anyone misunderstand, they soon struck all language critical of bigotry or even vaguely endorsing individual rights for pregnant women. It's Tea Party 2.0
“Lest anyone misunderstand…..”
Ummm, yeahhhh.
people peacefully seeking a better life on the other.
You mean like cartel members?
You're talking to complete idiots. It's discouraging.
Yup. The migrants are fleeing tyranny similar to that which Hamas imposes on Gaza residents and wants to impose in Israel -- once all the Jews there are exterminated.
Where the hell do you get this shit? Where are we currently using missiles and bombs to defend the US? Syria? Our presence there is illegal under both international and US law. The best way to protect our service people there is to get them out of someplace they never should have been sent. Iraq? A disaster from beginning to end. Without Bush's adventurism in Iraq (continued under Obama, Trump and Biden) ISIS wouldn't even exist. My plan to "support the troops"? Stop pissing away their lives in pointless wars.
If you're talking about idiocy in Mexico, turning the failed and immoral Drug War into a more literal war will accomplish both jack and shit. As long as there is a demand for drugs, there will always be a supply. Taking out the current top dogs merely creates chaos that rewards the most ruthless and violent. As for eliminating demand, good look with fundamentally re-engineering human nature.
Hey! Who let the libertarian in?
If you’re talking about idiocy in Mexico, turning the failed and immoral Drug War into a more literal war will accomplish both jack and shit. As long as there is a demand for drugs, there will always be a supply.
LOL, things have gotten so bad in Portland, even the junkies are begging to make drugs illegal again. Politicians increasingly don't want to touch druggie enabler, er, "monitored injection" sites with a ten-foot pole even as the civic utopians breathlessly declare that drug use will be dramatically mitigated if these are funded. And Denver turned into a addict zombie cesspool after pot was legalized.
Boehm supports sending weapons to Ukraine but complains when Republicans threaten to retaliate against countries that attack the USA. In short he supports allowing the Ukraine to defend itself but finds it icky that Republicans think that the USA should also defend itself.
This kind of war mongering is why the GOP keeps failing.
Yes the GOP should emulate Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama and dro e enemies of the USA. And the GOP should prove that they aren't war mongers by demanding Biden cease all military action and war support for countries like Ukraine.
Might as well surrender all of Europe to Putin and all the Middle East to the Iranian Mullahs.
That sounds hawkish.
The same Trump that was going to start WWIII?
Four separate times!
Just four?
The War On Women was WW3?
Why is that "hawkish?"
We have carrier battle groups in strategic positions so that we can dispatch fighter jets to be on scene quickly for just such an event. We send them in advance of the In Extremis forces (or JSOC or HTD or whatever they're called now) that will put boots on ground, following the jets. The jets run flyovers to announce to the Americans, "Hold on, we're on our way," and to announce to the belligerents, "Just wait, we're on our way."
This is why Benghazi was one of the most appalling things in recent American history. That was available to us, and instead we had gutless posturing cowards like Obama/Clinton posing for photos who just sat back and abandoned Americans to die.
How anybody could possibly support their total failure and still consider themselves American is beyond me.
It's only "hawkish" when a Republican does it. When a Democrat does it it's being "tough" or "projecting strength."
Whutabout when a Libertarian doesn't to it?
It's "caving to the military-industrial complex".
What the hell isn't "hawkish" about promising to protect American troops you've sent to places where they never should have been? Many of our troop deployments are all about "force protection", ie we're sending troops to protect the troops. If we didn't send our troops into places where they do nothing to advance our actual security, we wouldn't need to protect them.
Like Will Rogers said... if they get into trouble that far from home, it's like they were looking for it.
The Benghazi debacle was at an American diplomatic compound in Libya. Are you telling me we shouldn't protect American ambassadors? Or set up embassy facilities in potentially belligerent nations? Or send in our forces to operate with extreme prejudice when they're threatened?
But I do agree with you in the respect that "doing nothing to advance our actual security" is stupid. That's usually a result of political dog wagging back home, as America wrings her hands and vacillates on which they want more: A) to respect the sovereignty of other nations and build them up as less hostile societies; or B) to crush our enemies or those who harbor them with overwhelming force.
I agree with you that A seems pretty stupid. Like trying to teach someone from the Dark Ages how to do DiffEQ on a smartphone.
We should've never helped overthrow Gaddafi in the first place. If the Libyans and the Europeans wanted him gone then it was on them. And given the instability and lack of a plan for a stable government in Libya after Gaddafi, the US government should've pulled our officials and staff out of the country. Since they had no plan to actually do any nation building.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36013703
"US President Barack Obama has said failing to prepare for the aftermath of the ousting of Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi was the worst mistake of his presidency."
Lol, what did that jug-eared fuck think was going to happen? A smooth transition for one of his Muslim Brotherhood buddies?
Well, we did overthrow him and our guys were there. We're not here to MMQ the political decisions.
The point is that bad decisions don't somehow justify hanging American officials/service members out to dry. It's not "hawkish" when Americans are in mortal peril to go in there and put down the belligerents with extreme prejudice and pull our guys out (if only just in bags). It's the right thing to do.
Dude you're in a political comment section, all of this is MMQ. And the point should be to find and support politicians who won't keep making the SAME bad decisions that put our officials and our troops in harms way in the first place. I get that we can't rewrite the past, but we should certainly learn from it. And so far from what I can see only Vivek on stage seems to have learned anything from our previous failures.
The entire point of the troops is to put them in harm's way. That's the nutshell summary of their job. And if Americans are in danger, most of those troops are ready and willing to go in to help them.
Unless they have clowns running the show back home, keeping them from their intended purpose while Americans die.
We can indeed learn from the mistakes of the past, but that doesn't mean forgetting why we have a military and what it's for. I'm not saying go out and pick fights for the sake of picking fights, only that it's not "hawkish" to say that sidelining our military when Americans are in need is the wrong play.
Is it only "hawkish" when Republicans threaten these actions or is also "hawkish" when Democrats do the same. Biden has sent a carrier group to the Middle East as a threat to nations like Iran if they try to get involved in the Israel -Hamas war. Is Biden being "hawkish" by taking this action or is he projecting strength against a possible threat?
Well, so much for my candidate in the Repub race. Anyone who wants a war with Iran has no presidential judgment.
It’s like Maverick McCain’s ghost is back, singing “bomb, bomb Iran, bomb, bomb Iran, bomb bomb I-raaaa-aa-an….”
I think Israel is fully justified in doing what they need to do to eradicate Hamas, but I also think they can afford that without US dollars.
You'd think so, but...
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1722106062243852670?t=l0AIWWyvVap2ydUYmjVvvQ&s=19
The U.S. Army Director of Acquisition and Logistics, Douglas R. Bush stated that that the 2 “Iron Dome” Air Defense Batteries owned by the United States and Stationed at both Andersen Air Force Base in Guam and Joint Base Lewis–McChord in Washington are indeed in the process of being Transferred to Israel; the Batteries alongside Hundreds of AD Missiles in U.S. Stockpiles will be Leased to the Israel Defense Force for an Initial Term of 11 Months with possible Extensions depending on the Situation in the Region, a Majority of the Missiles have already arrived in Israel with the Batteries expected to arrive in the coming weeks.
Once Delivered these Batteries will Reinforce the 10 Batteries already Operated by the IDF across Israel, providing more Security from Rockets launched Gaza or by other Groups in the Region.
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Uh, "will be Leased" strongly suggests they're paying. If you've got something that actually says or demonstrates we're giving or underselling, this isn't it.
Whether they're "paying" (LOL!) or not, anti air assets are being stripped from one theater and redeployed to another to meet a foreign nation's needs
AIPAC owns 68% of the US congress...
https://twitter.com/AIPAC/status/1592276186238836736?t=7_JURK8NhEAycIXqwl1kAg&s=19
AIPAC proudly supported 365 pro-Israel members of Congress and candidates this election cycle.
We are proud to stand with pro-Israel Democrats and Republicans to strengthen bipartisan support for the U.S.-Israel relationship.
Being pro-Israel is good policy and good politics!
"To stop the attacks on U.S. troops, "you've got to strike in Iran if you want to make a difference," Scott said. "You cannot just continue to have strikes in Syria on warehouses. You actually have to cut off the head of the snake, and the head of the snake is Iran and not simply their proxies."
Where's Buttplug? I want to hear it in minstrel.
Actually since Tim Scott is sounding decidedly neocon here, Pluggo might be having a change of heart.
"You actually have to cut off the head of the snake, and the head of the snake is Iran and not simply their proxies."
This is factually correct, what is your issue with the statement.
No step on snek
Also, you have to cut the head(s) off a hydra. Regular snakes die if you poke them with even a pretty dull stick pretty much anywhere except the tail.
The head of the Snake is Long Dong.
https://twitter.com/loganclarkhall/status/1722437920697483704?t=0GP8cbaMkRxI8AS7BAeM0g&s=19
republican voters watching republican candidates argue over who who will give more of their taxpayer $$$ to foreign countries every election cycle
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Wow look at this.
The FBI is conducting a massive raid on the compound of a Jeffrey Epstein client.
Just kidding. That’s the FBI searching for a January 6th protestor in NJ today.
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Lock him up.
De Santis comes closest to my views on intl relations.
If it is not worth us sending 500,000 troops to deal with, it is not worth us sending any troops to deal with.
Save troops for truly serious issues.
Save troops for truly serious issues.
Like building makeshift covid hospitals.
Well, obviously.
Also, to run drag shows.
The vital interests.
...and invading those arnychist states of Mexico and Canada, by dad!
Izzat a real Republican senator or just an old picture of Judge Gorbasuch in his law school fratboy costime?
Neocons: "We're baaaaaaaaack!"
I have no problem in theory with this attacking Iran stuff. Just do what hasn't been done in 80 years. Have Congress pass Articles of War. So it's all transparent. No creeping escalation. No passing the buck after 12 years of war and no resolution. Just we are all in or all out.
People think things through a lot more when you put the actual stakes on the table. And will also follow through when things get tough.
NO!
First take the rugs.
THEN bomb.
Jeez.
I'm surprised Vivek didn't do the Full Indy and tear Haley's beating heart out of her chest.
I'd watch that for a dollar!
CAN the US MAKE enough bombs for:
1. Ukraine
2. Gaza, AND
3. Iran?
If it does, can it make anything ELSE?
Yes and yes.
And if we don't do both one and two, we will be making far more in the future to defend Poland and Saudi Arabia from Russian and Iranian invasions. We could have stopped Hitler in Austria and in Czechoslovakia. The German military was about to stage a coup to overthrow Hitler in 1938. The Republicans who want to throw Ukraine and/or Israel under the bus are the Neville Chamberlains of our time. No, change that, they are the Oswald Mosleys of our time. Mosley spent most of WW2 under arrest.