Take It From Brazil, Biden's Ban on Flavored Cigarettes and Cigars Will Be a Disaster
Brazil now has one of the largest cigarette markets in the world, despite its efforts to rid the country of cigarettes through prohibition.

The Biden administration's flavored cigarettes and cigars ban, currently under final review by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), will soon make it illegal to buy or sell menthol and flavored tobacco products in the United States. Having announced its intention to prevent people, especially children, from becoming addicted to cigarettes and other drugs, Biden's FDA will have to grapple with the consequences of their chosen method.
A similar ban in Brazil gives us a window into the probable outcome of Biden's flavored cigarettes legislation. In 2012, after a series of court battles, Brazil became one of the first countries in the world to fully ban flavored cigarettes, wanting to minimize the demand for cigarette products and curb smoking in the country, particularly among children.
To enforce the ban, Brazil has used its federal police force and its military police to crack down on the illegal cigarette market—with its government and law enforcement being one of the most vocal proponents of tobacco crackdowns since the mid-1980s. But Brazil quickly faced the fallout from its prohibitionist policy.
Brazil's demand for illegal cigarettes, particularly flavored cigarettes, only increased. Illegal actors quickly entered the market, leading the Brazilian government to conduct dangerous raids against illegal cigarette providers, with some resulting in bystanders being killed in the crossfire. The Brazilian government has lost billions of dollars in enforcement and tax revenues, while expenditures on illegal cigarettes rise.
Brazil now has one of the largest cigarette markets in the world, despite its efforts to rid the country of cigarettes through prohibition. According to the Brazilian Institute for Competition Ethics (ETCO), the illegal cigarette market now represents about half of the entire cigarette market. Illegal cigarette consumption nearly doubled from 2008 to 2013 and in Brazil's border areas it nearly tripled.
Much like at the U.S. southern border where law enforcement struggles to monitor the passage of illegal goods and immigrants, Brazil's police have had little success controlling the influx of illegal cigarettes from neighboring countries. Illegal cigarettes are easy to hide and nearly indistinguishable from legal cigarettes. Corruption between local law enforcement and the cartels makes enforcement even more impossible.
As the prohibition of drugs makes market prices increase due to risk and lower legal supply, more money flows into the illegal market, funding criminals instead of regular people. Brazilian drug gangs had one of their best years on record in 2022. With multiple gangs reporting billions of dollars in annual revenues, the Brazilian drug market is becoming ever more crowded and violent.
Cigarette companies, which have invested billions in curbing the illegal cigarette market (partly for the sake of their own market control), have reported that illegal cigarette consumption has increased in the last decade, as well.
Although overall cigarette demand decreased, the Brazilian government has spent millions trying to curb this market, with little success. Its taxation efforts, which have some actual science behind them, have been more successful at preventing smoking in Brazil.
If Biden isn't careful, the same could happen in the United States.
If Biden's ban passes as-is, menthol cigarettes and flavored cigars will be provided by criminal actors who will fill the demand void left by the FDA pushing out legal sellers. Upstanding citizens will not be willing to take the risk associated with breaking the law or competing within the illegal market and will leave the market for criminals to control. In Brazil, the illegal cigarette market is now controlled by literal slavers in sweatshops.
Biden's ban will also expand the presence of drug cartels. The flavored cigarette market is worth about $10 billion and is expected to reach $23 billion by 2033. Cartels will not let that market opportunity pass. Large existing drug cartels (including some from Brazil) might spread to this new market, and new gangs might be created to fill local demand.
These cartels will fight over the market, potentially leading to violence. There are too many examples of turf wars between drug cartels leading to civilian casualties, including against Americans. In the favelas of Rio de Janeiro, Brazilian cartels fight over territory for illegal cigarette markets. The illegal flavored tobacco market that will soon flood America's streets might be the next battlefield.
Biden's administration has already said that "there's no going back" on this policy. He must reconsider. As Brazil shows us, prohibitionist drug policies lead to more illegal money, more drug gangs, and more violence in the streets.
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(And it's only black people who smoke them, and will be caught in the cross-fire, soooo... Who cares, right?)
Why do we, especially on the left, not learn from history that every time the government bans anything, or gets involved in anything, they F*ck it up?!? And are Americans so under-educated that they don't know anything about math, economics and finance, much less Government, Civics, History, and Social Studies? Are we so rich that we think we no longer need a smart population? History says we had better keep a smart population or we will fail!
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Remember when you used to be able to buy bidis, cloves, and other Class B cigarettes?
I always liked the old fashioned unfiltered cloves that were hard as a rock. Probably about the worst thing you could smoke, but tasty.
When I lived in Boulder there was a coffee shop called Penny Lane (right next to a bookstore called Abbey Road, see a pattern?) that sold singles and had chess sets available. So I’d stop in, get a cup of coffee, a single clove cigarette, and play a game with a stranger. Good times.
Mmmmmmm. My lungs are aching in sympathetic memory. Tasty, tasty death.
Eric Garner will be making a killing.
I've been informed many times in the comments here that legalizing drugs won't affect the crime rate since gangs and cartels will find other criminal enterprises. So the reverse must be true. Ban menthols. Nothing bad will happen because crime, gangs and cartels exist in steady-state without regard for any laws including supply and demand.
Actually this will be great because these cartels will get out of fentanyl smuggling and transporting illegal aliens with their new occupation in menthols. No chance new actors will step in to fill the voids. Great job Joe Biden! The genius economist/criminologist president figured it out.
I’ve been informed many times in the comments here that legalizing drugs won’t affect the crime rate since gangs and cartels will find other criminal enterprises.
I've been told that as well, to which I ask "Why haven't they seized these profit opportunities already?"
I've never gotten much of an answer.
They'll have different amounts of opportunities, but it has very little effect on the number of people engaged in criminal activities, except at low levels.
I thought we were talking about organized crime, which tends to involve vices like drugs, prostitution and gambling. When I suggest to drug warriors that we put organized crime out of business by legalizing what they sell, the response is “Well they’ll just find something else. Nothing will change.” When I ask them to elaborate they either stammer or act like JesseAz and launch into a bunch of personal attacks.
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Have you ever considered telling someone you disagree with why what they say is wrong, as opposed to telling them that they as a person are wrong? You don’t change minds by attacking people. That just puts them on the defensive.
Are you fucking retarded or something?
You don’t change minds by attacking people.
Just trying to follow your wisdom.
Why don't you just say that you lack the capacity to understand the difference between attacking a person's argument and attacking the person making it?
Are you fucking retarded or something?
How about if we ignore the number of people engaged in crime and focus on the amount of crime and the amount of money going to criminal organizations?
No way! Folks might realize that as Republicans stomped out beer, booze and dope via asset forfeiture repression of more than 5% of the entire U.S. economy, Crashes, liquidity contractions, banking panics, prison riots and reprisal violence shut down the entire economy. In March 1933, every last bank in America was closed BEFORE Hoover handed FDR his draft plan for forcing them all to stay closed as a "holiday." Will Republicans admit Prohibition caused the Crash? In your dreams!
Sumptuary repression of victimless trade causes entrepreneurs to organize informal markets. Force-initiating bigots call these markets "crime." Once the economy crumples--as in China during the Opium Wars, U.S. in the prohibition plus income tax Panic of 1893-4, the Pure Food/Drugs Panic of 1906-7, the drug glut/prohibition Balkan wars of 1912-13 and WW1, the 1920 and 1929-33 prohibition depressions--laws change and a fictitious explanation (speculation, Wilson's Fed) is manufactured as cover-up.
Gotta read more carefully. It won’t affect the rate of other crimes that are supposedly secondary to such criminal activity.
I can't tell if you're saying other crimes won't be affected or if you're just criticizing my post for not being technically correct for failing to use the words "other" or "secondary,"
The point I intended is that prohibition does fuel other crime secondary to drug crimes in case that wasn't clear.
Volstead Prohibitionism plus Harrison Act wrecked the economy in 1920. Cops and feds became organizers of crime and propped up commerce until wiretaps and court rulings ruined that replacement. Asset forfeiture, padlockings and weaponizing the Internal Revenue Bureau brought a more violent Crash, banking collapse and depression. By the time "liquor" laws were repealed, "drug" law proliferation had caused German corporations to back Hitler since July 1931. Japan left the League weeks after Hoover lost the electoral vote and Hitler became Chancellor. Shall we blame the Fed?
Sumptuary laws make the products they pretend to ban worth 4x as much on average. This artificial margin is incentive for organizing "crime." Once the organization is working, it looks for another market distortion to exploit if repeal, collapse or both do away with the original coercion-created profit bubble. Hershey's and Anheuser-Busch sold trainloads of corn sugar and malt when mystical laws shut down all breweries and distilleries. They supplied Capone-style outfits and helped topple Republicans when threatened.
Once again big government becomes big daddy by over stepping its legitimate power and authority to take away another freedom of choice from the American people and of course the democrats are all for it. After all they know what's best for you and you don't. So what's just another loss of freedom of choice compared to all the other assaults on our freedom and liberty including freedom of speech, a free press and gun rights.
Whenever big daddy government gets involved in ways it should not, the American people loose another bit of freedom.
Looks like I'll have to stock up on my Swisher Sweets but then I should expect a SWAT raid on my home to confiscate my illegal smokes.
Thank you Joe Biteme and the democrats who intend to continue to whittle away at our rights in the name of making us safe.
As Brazil shows us, prohibitionist drug policies lead to more illegal money, more drug gangs, and more violence in the streets.
Looking at past performance, maybe that’s what Joe wants.
I thought he was pro-choice?
Only on one very specific topic, it turns out.
How is this not structural racism? This will, literally, have a disparate impact on blacks.
And they're literally calling blacks children who can't be allowed to make their own choices.
Because Republicans are the party of systemic racism.
Gotta have a War on…something.
Or, as the case may be, everything.
Kamala Harris will be the cigarette czar. No doubt she will excel at this one as well.
Suppose Biden does a replay of 1987, when he, Reagan and Bush pressured UN members into globally banning inoffensive "psychotropics? That coincided with a Crash as bad as 1929. In fact, in 1929 Republicans banned peyote/mescaline, made beer a felony and pressured the Opium Advisory Committee to ask the League of Nations to back all manner of restrictions on opiates, stimulants and whatnot--lumped together as "narcotics" on September 2. Hoover's Depression promptly spread worldwide. Now fentanyl lacks safe alternatives.
I didn't realize the feds made clove cigarettes illegal. It's been a long time, but now I really want one....
I can't wait until 5 years from now when Republicans are blamed for the over incarceration of black and brown citizens for cigarette enforcement.
It's almost as if the blanket desire from our adults-in-the-room party to "end the war on drugs" is a complete lie.
SCOTUS has every right to nub this Hitler in the butt.
F'En [Na]tional So[zi]alist.
Democrats and their "[WE] mob RULES" ideology. The FDA has no "peoples law" authority (UN-Constitutional) and now it has no "peoples" representation either. It's just HITLER and his REGIME Agencies.
Another ?blessing? of FDR + Democrat trifecta reign.
Ever since Obama's FDA unlawfully banned e-cigarettes in 2009 (per request of GSK, J&J & Pfizer lobbyists), the FDA, CDC, US SG, CDC financed state/local health agencies, Big Pharma/Bloomberg shills CTFK, ALA, AHA, ACS, AMA and the left wing media propagandists have falsely claimed that e-cigarettes (i.e. vapes):
- have addicted millions of children,
- are gateways to cigarettes for teens,
- do not help smokers quit smoking cigarettes, and
- may be even more harmful than smoking cigarettes.
And yet, ever since the federal court (including Kavanaugh and Gorsuch) unanimously struck down FDA's illegal e-cigarette ban,
- just 1% of high school students vape daily,
- 9th-12th grade cigarette smoking rate fell from 22% to 1.9%,
- tens of millions of smokers have quit smoking by vaping, and
- vaping is 99% less harmful than cigarette smoking.
Meanwhile, cigarette smoking by young adults (18-24) has declined from 22% to 7%.
Clearly, vaping has virtually eliminated teenage cigarette smoking, and has cut cigarette smoking by adults under 30 in half.
But FDA, CDC, US SG, and CDC financed state/local health agencies, Big Parma shills and the news media continue to repeat their 14 year old lies about vaping in their campaign to ban virtually all vapes (which has only protected cigarette markets and kept older adult smokers smoking).
Several years ago, the FDA, CA and MA banned the sale of most flavored vapes (after repeatedly falsely claiming flavored vapes addicted children), and the result has been a huge increase in illegal flavored vapes (mostly knock off brands from China).
Meanwhile, the FDA has also already banned virtually all lifesaving e-cigarettes (because the deceitful agency has only approved 3 of the million plus vapor products on the US market), but has taken no enforcement actions against unapproved vapes, and the news media has refused to tell Americans about FDA's disastrous policies.
Banning menthol cigarettes is also really stupid, as doing so will:
- reduce federal, state, local cigarette tax revenue by $20 Billion,
- reduce tobacco MSA payments to states by $3 Billion,
- increase black market cigarette sales (by illegal drug gangs), and
- do nothing to reduce cigarette smoking.
Besides, inserting a menthol lozenge into a pack of cigarettes will turn nonmenthol cigarettes into menthol cigarettes overnight.
The CDC just released 2023 survey data several days ago finding just 1.6% of 6th-12th graders (and 1.9% of 9th-12th graders) reported smoking a cigarette in the past 30 days.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7244a1.htm?s_cid=mm7244a1_w
But of course, the CDC authors concluded yet again that flavored vapes (and flavored tobacco products) should be banned.
They already had that conclusion. They just needed to pad out the preface to it.
This is all for your own good! The government said so!
Comply.
Good, then maybe the black market will bring us penis flavored cigarettes. That's what I want!
Gangs in brazil report their revenue?
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No reason not to go for full prohibition with enforcement by heavily armed and armored polizei. After all, full prohibition has always worked when the government was really serious about it. Examples:
*prohibition of fentanyl is currently an outstanding success story
*prohibition of heroin is now and was historically very successful
*prohibition of marijuana is the example that all gov't efforts should follow
*prohibition of EtOH in the 1920's proved to be a growth opportunity for new businesses
I'm waiting for the government to try prohibiting sex, but wait - that may somehow have disparate effect on women - maybe just prohibit males from initiating sex. That would work, wouldn't it?