Cities Are Spending Absurd Sums on Modular Bathrooms
Philadelphia has budgeted nearly $2 million for the project.

Philadelphia recently installed two Portland Loos: modular, stand-alone public restrooms first commissioned by Portland, Oregon. The single-stall metal structures are easy to keep clean and feature rounded walls to deter graffiti and walls that are louvered at the top and bottom to deter mischief inside stalls. However, despite these supposed benefits, cities regularly spend absurd amounts of taxpayer funds to purchase and install the bathrooms.
Philly plans to install six Loos over the next five years as part of the city's public restroom pilot, which Philadelphia Health and Human Services launched in January 2021. The city has budgeted $1.8 million for six units, or $300,000 per unit, including installation costs.
According to a Portland Loo spokesperson who spoke with Reason, the total cost is around $200,000: up to $155,000 for the unit, including shipping, and between $30,000 and $80,000 for installation. Maintenance is about $14,000 annually.

- $140,000
Portland, Oregon for the original 2008 prototype - $330,000
Dayton, Ohio for two units - $97,000
San Antonio, Texas for one unit - $290,000
Charleston, South Carolina for one unit - $320,000
Cambridge, Massachusetts for one unit
"We had one restroom near a kid's soccer field—a traditional brick and mortar….Unfortunately, the reality is people will spread feces all over the walls. It happened so often…just way too often. Because it's a brick and mortar, you can never clean that off."
—Ventura, California, Parks and Recreation Director Nancy O'Connor in a statement to The Philadelphia Citizen
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These people never heard of a power washer?
You can't use a power washer on the interior of a traditional structure. One of the reasons these Loos are expensive is because they're built to withstand such drastic cleaning and maintenance practices. Because of the severe abuse and vandalism urban public restrooms suffer, they have to be built a lot smarter than a brick shit house to stay usable.
Are humans REALLY, fundamentally better than the monkeys at the zoo, who will throw their shit at you? I think that the answer is "no"! This is why we can't have nice things!
The other reason why we can't have nice things, is that we are all pussy-grabbers! It gets more complicated from there!
This looks like a prime opportunity for me to explain a few things I’ve learned on this planet, while becoming a geezer. A few things, that is, about human nature, and excessive self-righteousness, tribalism, the “rush to judge” others, and the urge to punish.
“Team R” politician: “The debt is too large, and government is too powerful. If you elect ME, I will FIX that budget-balance problem SOON! But, first things first! THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE ARE GETTING ABORTIONS!!! We must make the liberals CRY for their sins! AFTER we fix that RIGHT AWAY, we’ll get you your budget balanced and low taxes!”
“Team D” politician: “The debt is too large, and I’ll get that fixed soon, I promise you, if you elect ME! First, the more important stuff, though: THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE ARE OWNING GUNS!!! We must PROTECT the American People from guns and gun-nuts!!! AFTER we fix that RIGHT AWAY, we’ll get our budgets balanced!”
And then we gripe and gripe as Government Almighty grows and grows, and our freedoms shrink and shrink. And somehow, the budget never DOES get balanced!
Now LISTEN UP for the summary: Parasites and politicians (but I repeat myself) PUSSY GRAB US ALL by grabbing us by… Guess what… by our excessive self-righteousness, tribalism, the “rush to judge” others, and the urge to PUNISH-PUNISH-PUNISH those “wrong” others! Let’s all STOP being such fools, and STOP allowing the politicians OF BOTH SIDES from constantly pussy-grabbing us all, right in our urge to… Pussy-grab the “enemies”, which is actually ALL OF US (and our freedoms and our independence, our ability to do what we want, without getting micro-managed by parasites)!!!
Shorter and sweeter: The pussy-grabbers are actually pussy-grabber-grabbers, grabbing us all in our pussy-grabbers. Let us all (as best as we can) AMPUTATE our OWN nearly-useless-anyways pussy-grabbers, and the pussy-grabber-grabbers will NOT be able to abuse us all NEARLY ass much ass these assholes are doing right now!
Team R politician: "The debt is too large! We need stimulate the economy by cutting taxes! That will bring in more tax revenue which will cut the deficit!"
Team D politician: "The debt is too large! We need to invest in the economy with more government spending! That will bring in more tax revenue which will cut the deficit!"
Non-partisan observer: "Wait a dang minute! You're going to reduce the debt by cutting taxes and increasing spending? Are you for real?"
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re: "You can’t use a power washer on the interior of a traditional structure"
Yes, you can. Okay, you can't use it on the interior of something that's been drywalled but a traditional brick-and-mortar latrine is still just brick and mortar on the inside. A power washer works just fine. (If you're stupid enough to drywall a public restroom, you're ... Well, probably perfectly suited for government work.)
You can power wash bare concrete and porcelain tile; those are the two most common walls of public restrooms the world over.
Somehow they've been building public restrooms for centuries without any of these fancy features. They usually smell terrible and are not what anyone would describe as "clean", but they substantially better than dropping your pants behind a tree. Those "brick shit houses" are usable for a very very long time and the upkeep is not that much.
Public restrooms are also frequently shut down due to vandalism and illicit activities. I disagree with Emma that the Portland Loos, designed to lessen those problems, are overpriced.
Expensive compared to what?
What is the installed cost of a regular bathroom?
No frame of reference
Compared to the poop-booths that they use on construction sites, for sure!
You shouldn't be spending more on a steel framed outhouse and I did on my first house (which, incidentally, had 4 bathrooms).
To compare, renting a port-a-potty costs around $200 per month and as much in cleaning fees. So $6k per year for the exact same service.
A plastic Port-a-Potty would not survive long in the neighborhoods these Loos are going into.
For a 2.5 bath standard new construction single family home in MD about 25k cost for labor (merit shop rates) and materials (just plumber).
But in Philly, with their prevailing wage, at $64 an hour + $34 fringe, your going to add some substantial cost to the labor.
Building a brick or concrete outhouse is mostly labor and should cost as much as the installation for this thing alone, around $30-80k.
Probably be cheaper and more sanitary to ship in automated self-cleaning public toilets from Japan. Then again that would probably break some union rule.
Indeed. The union would most likely sabotage the ship.
That's what you get for cutting down all the woods - - - - - - - - - -
Yeah man, we all that the Pope shits in the woods; now WHERE is there left for him to "go" any more, after the Pope can't BEAR it any more, and MUST take a dump?
Catholic bears are ALL up in arms about this, and DEADLY pissed off!!! So do NOT arm the bears!!!!
...we all KNOW that the Pope shits in the woods...
WHY is this damned "edit" button too stupid to find my stupid goofs?
I've never met a bear that wasn't Catholic.
Unlike the current occupant of the White House who shits in his pants.
I'm pretty sure I'd be pooping my pants at that job ass well... The PRESSURE to be ALL things to ALL people! (We all have to deal with that shit a wee tad, butt it's MUCH magnified at the Uber Power-Pig level!)
Especially so when the brain no longer functions properly as in dementia Joe's case.
Need to add a couple of minor fixtures so that the toilet can be turned into a solitary confinement jail for those who vandalize it
rounded walls to deter graffiti
Huh? I could understand if it were like a tanker car on a train where the top and base rounded away from where the 'artist' could effectively reach it, but this is pretty straight up standard fare for graffiti artists.
and walls that are louvered at the top and bottom to deter mischief inside stalls
My voyeurism protects your public property from mischief, your voyeurism protects my public property from mischief.
How many drug addicts will shoot up in the loo and OD? That is a legit question for Philly.
I guess that's what the louvers are for. In case someone is unconscious on the floor. Or on their knees, I guess.
And can you flush them if they do? Also a legit question. That might explain the added expense. "He Bob, we got another dead junkie in here!" "Just stuff him in the hole and flush a couple times." "Oh, OK."
The author of this article forgot to mention the great city of San Francisco where the porta potties cost $1,000,000.....for one.
Yes, in Frisco they don't do anything unless it costs enormous amounts of money, takes three to four years of permitting and planning and then has to be approved by government worker bees.
I believe Bill Maher explained it in the same monologue featured on this site.
Yes, I agree those port-a-pottys need to be built they way they are. After all when some mentally ill nutcase goes even crazier and spreads their shit all over inside the unit in a fit of delirium and psychotic episode, then a major clean out is much easier.
Or maybe when they find a dead person inside, either from an O.D. or murder, the clean up is an easy task.
Huh? Didn't SFC prove that people can (and should?) defecate without the oppressive concept of toilets?
Why the fixation on permanent structures. Go the portable toilet route. Change them out frequently and have a phone number to report units that need replacement sooner.
Even cheaper: embrace the San Francisco model.
Does the phrase “A Unique Solution to a Universal Problem” carry a note of Finality to anyone else?
I don’t see how their toilet is a solution to the problem of going to the bathroom unique from all the other toilets and other solutions to the problem, even if the problem is specifically public toilets. And, even if it is the latter, these things wouldn't make sense, e.g., in an athletic stadium.
There is one solution to the universal problem of people, or all life in general, metabolizing food.
Those toilets...could they actually be some sort of GAS CHAMBER?
Modular bathroom or tiny house?
Probably depends on the zoning - - - - - -
A flush toilet and a porta potty are not the same thing
ANyone who thinks so has never used a porta potty in August
General public toilets are universally awful. Pay the money to go into a shop / store and buy a coffee or something and then use the restroom there. That is only semi-public and at least 75% less gross.
These cost more than my first house too, but that is not important, what do they cost compared to the alternatives, and porta potty is not a real alternative.
I agree that they are expensive, but the author relies on nothing to reach that conclusion
So these are just glorified porta-potties?
No, they have running water and can have sinks.
>>rounded walls to deter graffiti
the graffiti is the only reason to ever enter one of those things.
This is money that could be better used to stop Asian hate. This is unacceptable.
I’m literally shaking right now…..
People are dying!
Fun facts from a totally unbiased web:
In 2011, police officer (and future police union president) Daryl Turner characterized the existing Portland Loo in the Old Town Chinatown neighborhood in Portland described as "Randy Leonard's crack house right there" and "a favorite nighttime destination for drug dealers and prostitutes, who conduct their business behind its closed door."
According to a memo from city Chief Operating Officer Scott Chadwick, police were called to the restroom at 14th and L streets 25 times between April and June, compared to 11 times in the same period last year — before the facility was installed. Calls at the other one climbed from 32 to 58.[
Some installations have been fitted with a sharps disposal option for needles, primarily in the area with high transient activity due to the increased drug activity by homeless people.
The toilets can be solar powered. The interior dimensions are 6 feet (1.8 m) x 10.5 feet (3.2 m), so a user can wheel in a bicycle or baby-stroller to protect them from theft.
The Portland Loo has features such as blue lighting said to make it difficult for intravenous drug users to find a vein for injection.
After Portland Loos were installed in Chico, California, the Chico Enterprise-Record editorial board summarized what has worked and what didn't: they credited human attendants as the key to successful locations such as the attended locations in Los Angeles and San Francisco.
Maybe AI can find a use here. A "patron" craps all over the walls. The AI recognizes this and locks the door, opens a cabinet with a hose and a scrub brush. When the AI decides the bathroom is clean enough, it unlocks the door again. Eventually even a junkie will get hungry enough to clean the place up so he can get out.
Eventually even a junkie will get hungry enough to clean the place up so he can get out.
Or die. Then you just equip the AI with a speaker to say "Pssst! Hey buddy! Looking for a place to shoot up?!" after sunset to trick the next junkie into taking care of the previous junky's corpse.
MAybe Ai will take care of the problem by locking the door, sealing all ventilation and pumping in a bit of ZyklonB. After fifteen minutes a trap door opens, the corpse is whisked away to an incinerator.
Incinerator? You want to waste transplantable organs?