Palestinian Americans Are Americans, Too
For many in New Jersey, the war in Gaza has brought back painful family history.

Paterson is a proudly American, proudly Arab town. Founded around New Jersey's Great Falls by Alexander Hamilton in 1792, it was America's first planned industrial zone. Waves of immigrants built Paterson into a real city, starting with Italian and Arab silk weavers in the 19th century. The classic brick buildings, some of them featured in The Sopranos, host businesses like Fattal's Syrian Bakery and George's Middle-East Grocery.
Today, Paterson is in mourning. The war in Gaza has hit close to home. Mohammad Qatanani, the imam of the local mosque, says he lost 15 family members to an Israeli air raid. Several other New Jersey residents are among the hundreds of Americans who were visiting Gaza when the war trapped them there. Palestinian Americans and their supporters have held several rallies in Paterson and nearby New York City.
The Palestinian group Hamas launched its deadliest-ever attack against Israelis on October 7, massacring around 1,400 people, and the Israeli military has retaliated with an air campaign in Gaza, which has killed over 7,000 people so far. The war has stoked anti-Palestinian feelings in the United States. Republicans have used rumors about "pro-Hamas" rallies—real or imagined—to call for a ban on Palestinian immigration and the deportation of "pro-Hamas" immigrants.
But the Arab-American community has been here long before the current war. Some, like the Syrian silk weavers of Paterson, came to America before the state of Israel even existed. Others fled the wars of the 1940s or the 1960s, decades before Hamas was founded.
For many Arab Americans, and especially Palestinian Americans, the violence in Gaza is a reminder of why they came to America in the first place. At an October 22 rally, Palestinian American Community Center Education Director Basma Bsharat emphasized that Paterson was filled with "the sons of daughters of refugees" who have faced "decades of displacement." She said that she considers "every other Palestinian our family."
The "Emergency Rally for Gaza" was a cross-section of local life in Paterson. Restaurants and convenience stores put up Palestinian flags to show their support for the cause. Teenage boys and girls showed off, posing for pictures in cars decked out with the symbols of Palestine or other Arab nations. They were joined by several non-Arab city councilmen in matching suits and lapel pins.

"Our Palestine community is suffering. They're mourning," Councilman Luis Velez, who was born in Puerto Rico, said on the sidelines of the protest. "We all want peace in the Middle East. We want peace in Israel. We want peace also in Palestine."
The rally was held along Palestine Way, a thoroughfare that was renamed in honor of the Palestinian community in 2022. Local activists gave speeches at a park maintained by the Deir Jarir Association, a volunteer group founded by natives of the Palestinian town of Deir Jarir. One of the police officers doing crowd control wore a keffiyeh, a scarf in the traditional Palestinian checkerboard pattern. An African-American couple set up a stand selling Palestinian scarves and T-shirts.
Speakers at the rally made a few specific demands. They wanted the United States to cut military aid to Israel, pressure the two sides to accept a ceasefire, and ensure that humanitarian aid entering Gaza would be protected. Bsharat mentioned the local and state politicians who have made pro-ceasefire statements.

While President Joe Biden has urged Israel to respect the laws of war, his administration has requested $14.3 billion in additional military aid for Israel and sent two aircraft carriers to the region as a threat to Israel's rivals. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has rejected the idea of a ceasefire, arguing that it will only allow Hamas to continue threatening Israel, although he is open to the idea of "humanitarian pauses" in the bombing.
"We are very proud to be American, but we are not proud to swallow the lies of Mr. Biden and Mr. Blinken," said Qatanani, the imam, in his speech. He also denounced "Arabic governments and Muslim countries" for their failure to "stand for justice."
American political figures have used the tensions between Palestinians and other Arab nations to stoke anti-Palestinian sentiment. After Jordan and Egypt declared that they would not support a mass Palestinian exodus, Fox News host Jesse Watters argued that "we all know why they don't want the Palestinians."
"The Palestinians hire Hamas to run their government. You poll them. They all love killing Jews," Watters said. "Every time a Palestinian refugee goes to another country, it doesn't work out so well for the country and for those Palestinians."
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who is attempting to ban pro-Palestinian student groups from Florida universities, has also claimed that Palestinians from Gaza are "all antisemitic."
Qatanani offers what he sees as a different message: "I want to say for our Jewish friends, you are welcome" in Paterson's mosque, the imam said, pausing as cheers erupted from the crowd. "You are welcome, and you are with us. We believe that we do not have any problem with Jews."
A fundamentalist Jewish group known as Neturei Karta marched at the front of the protest, wearing Palestinian symbols. Neturei Karta believes that the state of Israel violates Jewish law and that all the land should be put under Palestinian rule. This position is considered fringe in the Jewish community but has allowed Neturei Karta to build close ties to Palestinian activists.

The rally was also an opportunity for Paterson residents to share their personal history with the conflict. "The war started not just last week. It started a long time ago," said protester Tareq Yousef, whose family was displaced from Jerusalem during Israel's 1948 independence war and came to America in the wake of the Six-Day War of 1967. "We've been kicked out of our country many times."
Attallah Amash is another one of the Palestinian Americans who lost his home in the 1948 war. He had the misfortune of being born in Ramla, which sat along the road from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and next to the main British air base in the region. In July 1948, when Attallah was only eight years old, Israeli troops besieged Ramla and its twin city Lydda as part of their independence struggle.
The new state of Israel "obliterated the city of Lydda" in "forty-eight hours of hell," Israeli journalist Ari Shavit later wrote of the battle. Fearing local resistance, Israeli forces had fired into Lydda's streets, houses, and mosques. Israeli and Palestinian historians dispute exactly how many civilians were killed, but when the dust cleared, Israeli leaders ordered the troops to round up and expel around 70,000 citizens from Lydda and Ramla for good. Attallah was one of them.
Now a refugee, Attallah had to make a living selling coffee and tea on the streets. An American pastor named Ralph Wagoner eventually took the Amash family, who were Christian, under his wing. With Wagoner's sponsorship, Attallah was resettled in Michigan in 1956 and married a Syrian-American woman named Mimi. Their son Justin Amash served Michigan as a Republican congressman from 2011 to 2019, as an independent from 2019 to 2020, and as a Libertarian from 2020 to 2021.
Another branch of the Amash family stayed in Gaza, then under Egyptian control. Gaza City was conquered by Israel in 1967 and taken over by Hamas in 2006. During the latest round of fighting, Yara and Viola Amash took shelter in the ancient St. Porphyrius Church. Israeli warplanes bombed the area—targeting a nearby Hamas "command center," according to the Israeli military—and killed the two Amash girls.
"The Palestinian Christian community has endured so much. Our family is hurting badly," the former congressman wrote in an announcement of his cousins' deaths. "May God watch over all Christians in Gaza—and all Israelis and Palestinians who are suffering, whatever their religion or creed."
Palestinian Americans now worry about the violence making its way to American soil. Paterson's Palestinian American Community Center hosted a press conference on October 16 to address the ongoing war. Bsharat, the education director, warned of "harassment and hate crimes on both a local and national level." She said that the community center received threatening phone calls and had to hire extra security.
The killing of Wadea Al Fayoume weighed particularly heavily on the community. The 6-year-old Al Fayoume was stabbed by his landlord, who allegedly shouted about the conflict before attacking the child. At the press conference, Bsharat wondered aloud whether her own son could have been a victim of a similar crime.
Yousef, the man from Jerusalem, emphasized that Americans are mostly "nice people," though many are misinformed about the conflict.
"Americans must know that all the Palestinians just want to go and have peace. They love life," he said. Yousef motioned to the Arabic signs on stores along Palestine Way: "Look around you. We built this stuff."
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OK, many of my ancestors are German. Should they have held pro-Germany rallies and demonstrations during WWII? I think not. This is that equivalent. These folks are holding the equivalent of a pro-German march and rally in the middle of WWII and being supported by the left in this country. It's disgusting.
They couldn’t even wait a full day to do it after Hamas filmed themselves butchering people on holiday. trash.
And remember the last three years when we had to search the dark web just to see footage of anti-lockdown protests in the tens of thousands? Now you get 12 caprine copulators waving a green flag and it’s front page news everywhere. No doubt who’s really in charge.
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There was such an organization in the 1930s called the Bund.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund
I'm well aware. They were never a very big organization, and most certainly did not generate spontaneous demonstrations for Germany like we see for Gaza.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Nazi_rally_at_Madison_Square_Garden
MSG doesn't allow spontaneous demonstrations. You have to book the venue in advance.
However, misconstrueman, "Shortly after the rally, the Bund rapidly declined."
This is that equivalent.
Similar, but this has never gone away like the Bund.
I wouldn't get my hopes up about Palestinians 'going away.' Even with recurring bouts of mowing the lawn, air strikes that kill thousands of Gazans, the population increases yearly.
Got a cite for that shithead?
And no, the Huffington Post doesn’t count.
No, he's right in this instance. If the last 100 years have been a genocide, the Israelis have really botched the job.
It's not a genocide. The accusation has been that it's ethnic cleansing
We’re German Americans celebrating in the streets when they saw photos of Auschwitz?
I can't help you. Ask you Nazi relatives.
“Ask you nazi relatives”
Such exquisite grammar.
I truly don't understand why people waste the time of talking to these worthless shitheels.
It’s fun.
Better comparison would be the Irish American community who funded the IRA, since the USA wasn't a combatant in the Troubles or this conflict in Israel.
There’s also an additional aspect that both miss by focusing on the conflict rather than the (absurd) ideology.
Übermensch Americans are Americans Too. -
No. Übermensch know no nationality except German and, despite retardation like "Black Americans" demonyms don’t strictly recognize or confer genetics or biology. At best they would just be Americans who happen to be or have been Übermensch. There are no Woman Americans, there are American Men and American Women.
Lebensraum Americans are Americans Too. -
No. Lebensraum isn’t an actual place and never was a state. Nobody is from there or ever held citizenship there. You could trace out where it would/should/could be on a map but that's Reason-level "Countries are just lines on a map (and the lines are fictional)" stupidity. There are no Atlantastic, Bermuda Triangular, or Shangri-Latin Americans either. Tough it out like an actual American (or virtually any other human of any nationality) or GTFO.
East German Americans are Americans Too. -
No. East Germany was a place and people were born there and held citizenship there. They overwhelmingly didn’t hold dual citizenship and any who did, today would be just Germans, German Americans, or Americans.
The IRA are/were terrorists, but they weren't genocidal ones and for the most part, they targeted police/army/politicians.
They also had a much better case against the UK than the Palestinians do. The Irish were starved to death en masse due to British policies. Palestinians have thrived even in Gaza/West Bank.
Still assholes, murderous ones, but Hamas is a whole different breed.
Good point.
The flaw in your argument is that the British never took over 80% of Ireland, created hundreds of thousands of refugees, and locked the Irish in the equivalent of internment camps.
Are you trying to demonstrate your ignorance of history or just convince random passersby that they're better off muting you?
So? What does that have to do with ‘Palestinians’? Answer…..
NOTHING!
Almost half of the victims identified from the 10/7 Hamas attack are IDF or police. Number of beheaded babies identified? Zero
Wasn't aware that the US was at war with Palestine.
Neither was the US at war with Germany until about a third of the way through.
That said, Insane's premise is wrong because there were pro-Germany demonstrations. Including some even after the Kristallnacht atrocities were publicized.
That's not to say that Insane's family members should have held those rallies - but some of Insane's relatives (perhaps distant) did - and no one thought it was particularly abhorrent at the time.
Then why are we sending troops and battleships to Palestine?
Biden wants to get us into a war to desperately try and save his failed presidency.
Yep, in WWI the AKC went so far as to rename the German Spitz the American Eskimo dog.
Maybe these “Palestinians” should be blaming Hamas for instigating the carnage and calling for their expulsion from Gaza.
Is that too much to ask from people who ostensibly oppose civilian casualties????
Just a reminder, waving the American flag is racist.
The Gadsden flag is doubly racist.
You misspelled sextuply.
How is this relevant to the article?
Are you holding Mike Laursen hostage and demanding him to write posts for you?
I thought Mike Laursen was ENB.
looks like she's minnix today.
And Yesterday.
I think ENB might be pegging Mike Laursen, while her husband watches.
Because these people we're being told are "Americans too" are waving Palestinian flags. Sorry that you needed that spelled out for you.
Palestinian Americans now worry about the violence making its way to American soil.
Now do Jewish Americans.
Maybe both should try being Americans first, rather than separatist ethnonarcissists?
Good idea.
It’s the Jew's own fault people keep killing them because they won’t stop being so Jewish? That’s uh, a spicy take there.
Choke on the next dick you suck, soy
"Palestinian Americans now worry about the violence making its way to American soil."
It takes an awful lot of guts to write that nonsense, as all the violence in America thus far has been coming from the Hamas supporters on the left.
In before Jeff or Shrike or Misconstrueman try to pretend get fired for saying truly awful things is violence.
“In before Jeff or Shrike or Misconstrueman try to pretend get fired for saying truly awful things is violence.”
Calling for a ceasefire is not just violence, it’s antisemitic violence. Terrorism, too.
Saying that the attack on Israel didn't take place in a vacuum, is both antisemitic and antivacuum.
“Attack on Israel” that’s an interesting way of describing the deliberate murder of women and children, and being so proud of it you captured it all on video.
Attack on the Zionist entity, if you want to quibble.
Women and children are just “the Zionist entity” now?
You’re even more depraved than I thought.
Israel has a history of rewarding terror tactics. Read about the Achille Lauro, the Massacre of the Munich Olympics, or the exchange of 1000 imprisoned Palestinian militants for one IDF hostage.
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Saying that the attack on Israel didn’t take place in a vacuum, is both antisemitic...
It doesn't have to be, but somehow 100% of the time it's an antisemite saying it.
" but somehow 100% of the time it’s an antisemite saying it."
Or a self hating Jew. Don't let them off the hook so easily.
Hook? You stormfront types think you’re so clever.
His hero is aparently amber heard
Both can be true, correct?
ergo the call?
Palestinian Americans now worry about the violence making its way to American soil
Really, really shitty liars.
Almost as bad as the “religion of peace” bullshit they were trying to sell us just about 20 years ago.
If they just want peace why didn’t they criticize Hamas’ attack on civilians? Why do reason writers accept their assertions as fact when they are obvious and provable lies?
Remember this morning when reason said Isreal was withholding aid to palisitinians, a 2 week old story that was already disproved?
Why do they have to criticize what you insist they must criticize? Have you criticized Israel for dropping bombs that behead Palestinian babies when they land in civilian areas? Why not?
Why?
Becsuse if there concern for innocent lives only extends to "Palestinians" and not others then their concern is not worthy of consideration.
Something so glaringly obvious as to be missed only by purposeful effort.
Because if one particular side agrees to stop fighting, the other side will join them. However, that's not true in the inverse. See the difference?
Adam Carolla had a funny bit on his podcast discussing the separation of "the Palestinian people" and their Hamas Leadership.
It's like if America elected the KKK as it's leadership, and people kept saying,
"Well, yeah, but average Americans, they're not racist, they're normal, good people"
"Ok, that may be true, but they elected the Klan to run the country."
"Yeah, but that doesn't reflect the people."
"Ok, but they keep electing the Klan to run the country."
"Yeah, but normal Palestinians, they're good people, they just want peace and racial harmony"
"Then why do they keep electing the Klan?"
Didn't we do that in certain states? We just call them "Democrats".
I was introduced to a different point of view that I thought was interesting.
Places that were Palestine keep becoming Israel. Whenever there’s a war or conflict there, which is all the time, the places where Palestinians live keep shrinking. This is no different. When it is done the map will change as Israel becomes larger. It’s easy to verify by looking at maps over time.
Gaza Strip is densely populated because that’s where they’ve all been squeezed.
Nobody wants the Palestinians. Jordan, Syria and Egypt are like fuck you. When it’s over the refugees will find Israeli settlements on where they used to live. What are they supposed to do?
It's reminiscent of Manifest Destiny.
"Nobody wants the Palestinians. Jordan, Syria and Egypt are like fuck you."
Palestinians as you're thinking of them don't exist, Sarc. Mandatory Palestine was the British government's designation for region, not an ethnicity. It was full of Druze, Jews, Aramaics, Christian Arabs, Muslim Arabs, Samaritans and Bedouins.
Before that it was the Ottoman's Vilayet of Beirut and Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem.
From the creation of Israel until 1964 Gaza and the "Palestinian Territories" were part of Egypt and Jordan proper until they lost them in the six day war.
Palestinians in Egypt are called Egyptians, Palestinians in Jordan are called Jordanians, and Palestinians in Israel are called Israeli Arabs and they compose 21% of Israeli population.
What those countries don't want are Arabs who are looking to establish an Islamic state that never existed in their territory and refusing to become citizens.
Don't even get started on the Ottoman Empire.
Especially how Istanbul was once Constantinople. Why they changed it, I don't know.
for the song.
That shit’s no one’s business but the Turks.
Craig Ferguson in Istambul
https://youtu.be/2NOWTkCx1hs?si=nNhqY0_GdaqumRMC
🙂
😉
Especially how Istanbul was once Constantinople.
Fun fact - it still is. In just the same way that "Londinium" is now pronounced "London," and "Eboricum" is now pronounced "York."
You seem to have a Yorkian accent.
It's Greek to me.
I can't say, guess they liked it better that way.
People just liked it better that way.
Mandatory Palestine was the British government’s designation for region, not an ethnicity.
Because they didn't give a fuck about people's "ethnicities."
The smarter ones even recognized that a major part of the 'point' of Islam, which made it so important to the area, was giving people something to unite around that wasn't ethnicity, going back to Muhammad's near-impossible accomplishment of getting the various Arab tribes (of just Arabia) to stop fighting one another.
Saying that there's no such thing as a Palestinian because they speak the same language as their neighbors and haven't existed as an independent polity since biblical times (as with Israel) is like saying that there's no such thing as a Welshman because they speak English in Wales and are part of the UK.
We can all agree there is no true scotsman
Well, yeah--that's what happens when you fight a war and lose. Your land gets taken from you and you get kicked out of the place. Same thing happened to the Jews, twice, after they were clapped by the Babylonians and then the Romans a few centuries later.
The post-modern pretense is that the civilizations which won need to be portrayed as irredeemably evil, and can somehow only atone by giving the conquered populations endless amounts of money.
Think the Assyrians booted them out once if I remember.
They carted off a bunch of nobles and the king, but the rest of the population was able to stay as a vassal state. In fact, Israel's really spent a good chunk of its existence being under the thumb of some larger foreign power. Periods like the Macabees were pretty rare.
And the Jews got it back through terrorism and mass illegal immigration. The Lehi/Stern Gang had such chutzpah they called themselves terrorists and wrote a terrorist manifesto.
You make an excellent point.
It was definitely very rude of those Jews to not stick around in Europe to see what the Nazis were going to do. But are you sure they were "terrorists" and not just "freedom fighters" like all the woke morons are saying of Hamas?
I've already mentioned Irgun and the Stern Gang in other threads, you AGP troon trash. That doesn't refute my statement in any way whatsoever.
Palestinians as you’re thinking of them don’t exist, Sarc. Mandatory Palestine was the British government’s designation for region, not an ethnicity. It was full of Druze, Jews, Aramaics, Christian Arabs, Muslim Arabs, Samaritans and Bedouins.
Yeah, no fucking shit. That whooshing noise was my point going over your head. Doesn't matter where their grandparents came from , they're there. They're there and being forced out. Nobody wants to take them in and they won't have a home to come back to.
I don't think they give a shit about your pedantic discussion on what Palestinian means.
“Palestine” is a bullshit word invented by the Romans.
Greeks, actually. Herodotus was the first (currently available recorded) use of "Palaestina". Derived from the Egyptian "Peleset", encoded in hieroglyphics as "p-r-s-t".
Old Testament sources refer to them as the "Philistines", of course.
The Roman’s knew the significance of their renaming of the territory.
Exactly. A slight against Jews by naming the region after the worst enemy of the Jews.
Oh, absolutely. Titus definitely did that on purpose, I'm just saying that the name was known before Rome. The Romans, of course, were very fond of Greek stuff, language, culture, etc. "Zeus Pater" got mashed together and slurred into "Jupiter", for example.
Gaza Strip is densely populated because that’s where they’ve all been squeezed.
Kind of…
I don’t weigh in hot and heavy in the Israel Palestine conflict, because it’s very complicated and unless you followed every iteration then there’s always someone who can pipe in and say, “Well, yeah, what about…”
The Israel Palestine conflict is almost the original source of Whataboutism.
But speaking to Gaza, Israel pulled OUT of Gaza in 2005, essentially making it a quasi Palestinian state. So I’m not sure I would characterize the totality of the conflict to be one of continuous squeezing. I will not argue that the Israelis were doing a lot of squeezing overall, but have backed off on that on several fronts.
Nothing that I say is an endorsement of the state of the conflict or a blanket support of Israel’s actions (or any ground invasions of Gaza etc.) just an observation.
Edit: Link to the details of the pullout from Gaza and the West Bank.
Edit 2: Most of my childhood, the settlements in Gaza and the West Bank were a major source of "whatabout" on the left in regards to the characterization of Israeli occupation and encroachment. It seems to me, that this latest attack from Hamas is yet another example of how Hamas doesn't seem to be interested in these types of reforms, but just wants to be free of Israel, from the River to the Sea.
I'm not endorsing or excusing uses of force by either side either.
I wasn't suggesting you were, and, sorry, missed the link:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Israels-disengagement-from-Gaza
Let's compare maps from last month to maps next year.
Since they love living in the past...we could look at maps of Jewish territory from, say, 1 AD to now and see how much Muslims have colonized their lands.
start with the worldwide muslim population in 1 a.d.
0?
There was no Year 0. The calendar goes from 1 BC to AD 1.
exactly. someone else was there first.
I'll tell you what the problem is, Israeli universities don't have land acknowledgments in their syllabi.
we could look at maps of Jewish territory from, say, 1 AD to now and see how much Muslims have colonized their lands
By the time the Muslims showed up the Jews were long, long gone.
That’s weird, because there were Jews in Jerusalem when the Crusaders showed up.
There were a few, yes. There were far, far more Christians and Muslims. The Kingdom of Judea came to an end in the first century A.D., and over the next several centuries Jews dispersed throughout the Empire, as Rabbinical Judaism emerged and the physical Temple lost its place at the center of the religion.
The Crusaders, it’s worth remembering, weren’t invading the Holy Land because it was dominated by Jews, and they certainly weren’t attacking on behalf of the Jews.
They were “decolonizing “ Christian lands.
Not really. They were protecting trade routes that had been shut down by the Turks. They had no trouble with the Arabs, as the Arabs didn't restrict trade.
Fuckin' Turks, man.
Cut to 1899 film clip of Kaiser Wilhelm riding through the Jaffa gate.
I don't think comparing maps over millennia to maps over decades is fair.
Islam did not exist until 610 C.E., when Muhammad started getting his fever dreams/hallucinations of hearing recitations of the word of Allah from The Archangel Gibril.
Gaza Strip is densely populated because that’s where they’ve all been squeezed.
Kind of… The Israel Palestine conflict is almost the original source of Whataboutism.
Yeah. A while ago I took a vacation and nobody could answer the question "What is a woman?" and borders were just figments of imagination and when I got back Everyone knew exactly who was a woman and on which side of the previously imaginary lines they had their human rights raped and taken away from them. This feels very much like that.
People who will turn around in a week and say "Borders are just, like a social construct, dude." will pull up a series of maps with successive delineations from the British, Ottoman, Byzantine, Roman Empires or even the Kingdom of Judea or Egyptian Empire like we should or could reapportion the region the way the Romans did it (before they kicked the Jews out of Judea but not Palestine).
walk to Sweden. worked last time.
First, who starts each of these wars or conflicts? If Palestinians are losing their lebensraum because they are losing wars that they or their allies start, it's pretty darned hard to call that the Israelis fault.
Second, the current population density in the Gaza Strip has a lot more to do with population growth than with habitat loss. There are lots of hypotheses why Gazans have such a high rate of population growth. None of them are particularly verifiable - or relevant. My point is only that loss of land is a comparatively minor factor in the population density trend.
First, who starts each of these wars or conflicts?
Depends on how you look at it. Some would say the UN started it.
The UN didn't even exist when Sykes-Picot and Balfour were made. And hell, Zionist Jews started moving back into the area in the 1880s, well before either of those, even, and the Ottoman Empire was still a going concern. Europe and Western Asia were such bad places to live for them that they preferred the option of living under the Turks, for fuck's sake.
And, shortly after they started moving into the area -- after buying the land they were moving to, mind -- the local Arabs started attacking them. Because the Jews wouldn't hire them. "Look what you made us do!"
Man, that sounds familiar... Oh yeah, my bestie's eight year old said it last week...
“Places that were Palestine”? When, you ignorant buffoon?
To be fair, it was only one election and then the Loan just didn't hold any more of them.
But yes, if they actually strongly objected, they'd have kicked the crap out of the groups that keep calling this hellfire down upon them by acting like godsdamned barbarians, and done what they could to demonstrate not being a constant fucking threat to the very existence of their potential neighbors.
To be fair, it was only one election and then the Loan just didn’t hold any more of them.
This is where I'm going to sound like a total dick: But I'm guessing most of the Arab people, immersed in their Arab culture, have a general cultural understanding of Arab Democracy. So when you vote on Monday, don't expect another regularly scheduled election on the following Monday.
a general cultural understanding of Arab Democracy
I think the "general cultural understanding of Arab Democracy" is that non-Arabs all around the world are pretty hot to impose governments on them and pretend that they're democratic.
To be fair, it was only one election and then the Loan just didn’t hold any more of them.
And they didn't get a majority in that election - only a plurality.
I don't think it's any great mystery why the Palestinians of Gaza have given up on conventional political processes.
Which makes the whole "Kick the shit out of the people who are getting your children bombed" mode even more relevant, really.
Also, "Loan" was supposed to be "Klan" there. Fucking autodefect.
Which makes the whole “Kick the shit out of the people who are getting your children bombed” mode even more relevant, really.
True. Sadly they live in Qatar mostly.
The higher ups do, sure. But I'm pretty confident that the actual people who went across the border to rape Israelis were locals.
"And they didn’t get a majority in that election – only a plurality."
Neither did the German Nazis when Hitler was made Chancellor, nor did Justin Trudeau's party in the last Canadian general election. It is a strange argument that the results of democracy are less legitimate representative if it is not chosen by at least a 50%+1 majority, especially for parliamentary style systems. How many parliamentary democracies are run by coalition governments?
Speaking of whataboutism, Imagine for a moment if, instead of paragliding into Israel, killing a couple thousand people and taking a couple hundred civilians hostage, the Palestinian people (however you want to distinguish them from their leadership) methodically executed the most violent, corrupt, and/or destructively anti-Semitic portions of their (Hamas) leadership.
It would've almost certainly been far fewer people dead and would probably have everyone, maybe even Israel, showering them with praise, recognition, and aid.
Even violent, sociopathic mafiosos and cartel bosses were generally that degree of self-aware.
Even violent, sociopathic mafiosos and cartel bosses were generally that degree of self-aware.
Apropos of this, I have heard through various back channels, that supposedly have come from those more closely connected to Arab-street (as we might have called it between the years 2001 and 2006-7) that this attack by Hamas on Oct 7 was not actually authorized by the broader Hamas leadership, and was a rogue operation by hardliners. And, according to these admitted rumors of rumors of innuendo, recriminations have already taken place within Hamas leadership.
Which is why the leadership immediately apologized, released all the hostages, and turned over the bodies of the perpetrators?
"Wrists have been slapped."
So the smooth, utbane mouthpieces at "the top" have been reminded who is really in charge...
To be reasonable, Hamas was elected by a plurality, not a majority, in 2006 (I think it was 42%) and no elections have been held since. Gaza is not democratic. Hamas militant leadership don't care very much about their civilians, They are much more interested in revenge for targeted assassinations on their leadership over the years than anything else.
Bull, the Arabs in Gaza , for the most, part want to destroy Israel . If they want their 'Historical homeland ' let them go there. That would be Arabia.
"Their historical homeland" is land they stole from Jews and Christians.
Just sayin'.
"“Their historical homeland” is land they stole from Jews and Christians."
The Jews, Christians and Muslims of the area are all related and share the same background. That's what I understand of the DNA analysis, as I understand. Generations would switch back and forth between religions over the years in response to the political situation as you'd expect from pragmatic survivors.
My own forebears did exactly the same thing going between Catholicism and Protestantism to avoid conflict with all the king's men.
The Muslims invaded the territory.
They belong there like Europeans belong in the americas.
"The Muslims invaded the territory."
A terrible tragedy. As a result, some Jews converted to Islam to save their skins. Same thing happened in Spain during the inquisition. And in Germany in the 19th century, like Karl Marx's father. People don't easily change their religion, but they do if it suits them. The upshot is that modern Jews, at least those indigenous to the area, share forebears with modern Palestinians. They are relatives with equal claim to the land.
Let’s just ignore the Christians who changed their identities so the Muslims wouldn’t kill them.
Nobody is ignoring. Most of the Palestinians are Muslims. Some are likely to have Christian forebears. Converting from one faith to another is not all that rare, in the Americas, even. Native Americans adopted Christianity after their practices and ceremonies were outlawed. Just because Indians today practice Christianity doesn't mean they aren't related to forebears who followed different faiths, or are not indigenous to America.
But modern Palestinians of the Islamic faith have no real claim to the land whatsoever. They just want the "historical claim" to land to have a set start date that is beneficial to them.
"But modern Palestinians of the Islamic faith have no real claim to the land whatsoever."
They have the same claim as the Jews: their ancestors lived there. Someone born in the area should have a claim to the land at least as valid as Woody Allen, say, a New Yorker whose only qualification is that his parents were Jews from Russia.
Jewish ancestors lived there long before Muslims ancestors did.
Ergo, they have zero claim. They cannot claim current situation NOR can they adequately argue historical situation.
"Jewish ancestors lived there long before Muslims ancestors did."
You're not grasping my point here. The ancestors of today's Jews, today's Muslims and today's Christians are the same people. They may have switched faiths back and forth over the centuries, but that changes nothing. Let's say you follow a different faith than your father. He's still your father and his (or your) religion doesn't alter his paternity.
There’s also this absurd, practically beyond Hitlerian notion, despite the acknowledged conversion and intermarriage, of racial, religious, and ethnic purity and, depending on the source, selectively.
Spain spent 300 yrs. going through cryptoJews and others as policy and didn’t get them all. Several Continent-sized Manifest-destiny policies were passively/actively engaged in without completely obliterating every last native of every ethno-sect.
It’s, once again, hilarious that people who will pretend African Americans were a significant and historically underrepresented part of the earliest Saxon leaders to Anglicize and who ignore the relatively pure ethnostates today, continue to act like there was a King of Palestine who stood on a mountain overlooking the entirety Pridelands with his son and said “There are no Jews on everything the light touches.” as though it were knowably, provably true.
As though, when the Romans destroyed the temple and purged Judea, they had the logistical wherewithal to set up and enforce a longstanding, Berlin Wall-style exclusion zone from the river to the sea that even the Soviets couldn't/didn't set up and enforce in Germany millennia later.
If they want their ‘Historical homeland ‘ let them go there. That would be Arabia.
Remind me who the Bible says lived in Gaza?
I went to school with a lot of Palestinian kids, and none of them ever claimed descent from the Philistines. They all called themselves Arabs.
But it still fits so well it's almost poetic.
I went to school with a lot of Palestinian kids, and none of them ever claimed descent from the Philistines. They all called themselves Arabs.
All native Arabic-speakers call themselves Arabs.
"Palestinian" is literally cognate with "Philistine."
Lebanese also call themselves Arabs, but at the same time think of themselves as Phoenician.
And as we've seen from the reception of Palestinians in other Arab countries, the rest of the Arab world doesn't really seem to agree that they're all just interchangeable Arabs who can be shuffled around without regard to where their families have lived for dozens of generations at least.
We have Christian Arabs, Muslim Arabs, but no Jewish Arabs. What's with that?
Because the Arabs killed them?
Arabs are notoriously not terribly kind to Jews.
But kind to Christians and Muslims? What gives? If there were such a thing as a Jewish Arab, what would it be? A Jew who spoke Arabic? As I understand it, this was the norm in the region for 1000 years and more. Even today, with the adoption of Hebrew as the national tongue, it was necessary to turn to Arabic to transform Hebrew from an ancient ecclesiastical language into one for day to day usage.
They aren't. Egypt has been quiet cruel to the Coptic Christians. Christian communities in other states are blatantly held as second-class citizens.
They're just more genocidal to Jews. Possibly because their anti-Semitism did not have the temporary stain on it that Western anti-Semitism had on it due to the Nazis...though even that temporary respite on Western anti-Semitism is quickly fading.
"Christian communities in other states are blatantly held as second-class citizens."
Other states? You mean Israel bombing Christian churches and hospitals? That's more than second class treatment, it's an atrocity.
"They’re just more genocidal to Jews. "
You're talking about Arabs here? People who speak Arabic? For centuries that included Jews, Christians and Muslims. They lived in relative peace under the Ottomans. The Ottomans were not Arabs, but Turks. When their empire crumbled and the Western colonialists moved in, that's when the troubles started. When countries like Britain, who despised both Jews and Muslims in equal measure, revved up their divide and conquer machine that had served them so well for hundreds of years in India. Blaming Christian and Muslim Arabs for all this seems wildly off the mark.
And as we’ve seen from the reception of Palestinians in other Arab countries, the rest of the Arab world doesn’t really seem to agree that they’re all just interchangeable Arabs
Sure, but that’s mostly because they have a tendency to undermine the regimes that welcome them in. It’s not really related to inter-Arab locational identities. Even Nasser, who is like a God to the Palestinians living here, had them rounded up and shipped out when they started tard-raging against him.
So your version of wanting peace and harmony is to stand behind people chanting slogans like "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" and "gas the Jews"? You might want to put that SS uniform away even if it is close to Halloween.
the pro-IRA parades my dad dragged me to in South Jersey in the '80s were quite the spectacle too.
When the US joined World War 2, already in progress, my 4th-generation German-American grandfather joined the US army and went to Europe to fight the Nazis.
How many of these Palestinian-Americans do you think would join a shooting war if the US went in on the side of Israel?
How many of these Palestinian-Americans do you think would join a shooting war if the US went in on the side of Israel?
You mean like how the US IS on the Side of Israel, and has already involved itself in the conflict?
I can answer that question for you because I served during Desert Storm and there were exactly zero “Muslims-Americans” in any of my commands. And that bullshit had nothing to do with fucking Israel.
Zero.
I really don't see any American flags being waved around by these proud Americans. Of course, there's reasons to be waving those Palestinian flags, I understand. Just makes me how American you really are when you're constantly waving around a flag that isn't American.
Same with Italians. 2nd and 3rd generation went off to fight the Axis. My grandfather tried to join the Canadian army but was turned down because of a baseball scar he had over his eye after an errand bat swing split his head open. He was a catcher.
FYI, a friend of mine just texted me, he said he swung by The Onion after having not read anything on the site for a few years. He said it's like reading CNN, but without the humor.
I just took a look, he's kind of right.
The Onion hasn't been funny in at least a decade. Babylon Bee is where it's at these days.
And even The Babylon Bee is having a hard time parodying the real (clown) world.
It's got to be hard to keep up with how stupid reality is.
That doesn't mean they can call for the death of Jewish Americans and harass and attack them.
The Right of a recognized Student Organization to maintain recognition and to receive priority scheduling for university facilities, use university equipment and use the name of the University in their Letterhead, and be eligible for various other funding mechanisms– among other privileges and material support, is a free speech right. Removing those privileges is a violation of the First Amendment.
Soave is an embarassment to common sense.
Illegal immigrants in Colorado are now eligible for welfare, food stamps, free housing, rental assistance, free healthcare, mental health services and other public benefits not explicitly listed, including getting a business license makes it a 100% libertarian policy.
Can they call for the death of Israelis?
Of the Israeli state?
American Jews are indeed in a tight spot. The state of Israel is perpetrating all manner of atrocities in their name whether or not they have anything to do with Israel, or support her actions. As the Maine state police advised, shelter in place. All homes in Israel have a 'safe room' to protect themselves from rocket attack.
"...The state of Israel is perpetrating all manner of atrocities in their name whether or not they have anything to do with Israel, or support her actions..."
I see your cite there...
Telling civilians to leave before you bomb a military target is a warcrime. Paragliding into a town to rape and murder civilians before taking hostages is an understandable outburst that doesn't happen in a vacuum and isn't reflective of people's true values.
They can call for it.
Attack and harass? No. They cannot do that.
Where does Liberteen Magazine keep digging up these retards?
>>Today, Paterson is in mourning.
should be. if they're Americans they'll assert slaughter of innocents is a mournable act. oh, wait I read further ...
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1717632621109231903?t=9pPAT6Yp-X3sye_IwiKTyQ&s=19
Charlottesville’s Robert E. Lee statue has met its end, in a 2,250-degree furnace.
The divisive Confederate monument, the focus of the deadly “Unite the Right” rally in 2017, was secretly melted down and will become a new piece of public art.
The statue’s defenders more recently sought to block the city from handing over Lee to the Charlottesville’s Black history museum, which had proposed a plan to repurpose the metal. In a lawsuit, those plaintiffs suggested the monument should remain intact or be turned into Civil War cannons.
But on Saturday the museum went ahead with its plan in secret at this small Southern foundry, in a town and state The Washington Post agreed not to name because of participants’ fears of violence.
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>>will become a new piece of public art.
birds don't discriminate.
Birds aren't real.
definitely don't discriminate then.
They should melt it down and turn it into munitions for Hamas.
Pol. Pot year zero style
https://twitter.com/FistedFoucault/status/1717642925008367760?t=q9uJ3OFHHk7uGajFc7cxMg&s=19
You couldn't write a more hilarious essay if you tried. A progressive left Jew says that the Hamas attacks were what "killed" his "wokeness". He explains how he was on board the woke train 100% until "anti-semitism" became "minimized".
Whitey bad, but Jews need a special carve out
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Libertarians too
https://twitter.com/loganclarkhall/status/1717596982967955488?t=yaq3T6ed5Z0fWaXk5_ZLWw&s=19
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that's actually pretty good
Are they though?
I love among Mexican-Americans. One of my best friends is a Chaldean Iraqi-American. They like this country. As it is. They don't support genocide either.
Can you say that about Palestinian-Americans?
Can you say that about Palestinian-Americans?
How many do you know? Justin Amash hasn't called for genocide, even after some of his family was killed. I wonder whether other Palestinians might be individuals, too?
My first wife was the American child of Iraqi Chaldean immigrants. Jacksonville Florida has a large closely connected middle eastern population – Iraqi, Syrian, Lebanese, non I ever encountered had anything positive to say about “Palestinians.” The most common attitude was thst they were mostly gutter people. Middle easterners are very warm people except when they are not. When they are not they are cold in a way that average Americans simply do not have within themselves.
"Palestinian Americans now worry about the violence making its way to American soil."
Probably should have left it behind instead of bringing it with you then.
This article brought to you by the perennially hard-of-hearing Karine Jean-Pierre
we're huge on the first amendment. ~~ Jack Kirby
For all the intensity of declaration that Palestinians in the US are Americans, based on the pictures and their own words, they sure don't seem to have any loyalty to any nation other than Palestine. Even Ilhan Omar has tried to at least give lip service to the fact that she considers herself to be an American, but then again, she isn't Palestinian.
With that said, if I thought that pursuing a Balfour-style option and re-establishing and recognizing Palestine as an official state would incentivize this historically subversive, haranguing, anti-American, ethnonationalistic people to return there, on the condition they give up their American citizenship and visas to do so, I'd have no problem with telling the Israelis that they needed to sack up and depart from 50% of the current state.
And while we could continue to provide Israel with aid and allyship, it would be on the condition that they tard-wrangle their Reform/humanist cousins in the US and Europe into not being reflexively anti-western chimps. That way, when some turbolib pinko like Moshe Kasher starts mocking the idea of a wall and national borders, or arguing that it's okay to convince kids to cut their genitals off, his rabbi brother would put him on blast for being an anti-Jewish dumbshit and get him back in line, on the threat of being cut off permanently.
"Americans must know that all the Palestinians just want to go and have peace. They love life,
Yeah, no. They could have had peace any time in the last 75 years - sometimes under better terms, sometimes under worse, but nonetheless.
Or alternatively he means that they love life except Jewish life and if all the Jews in Israel are slaughtered then they can have peace.
“Americans must know that all the Palestinians just want to go and have peace. They love life,
THEN WHY DO THEY KEEP ELECTING THE KLAN?!!
Shit that's never going to get old.
Why do you keep electing Democrats like Biden?
No, that was TDS-addled shits like you.
No, for once he is correct 'we' did elect Biden. Which, sadly, does put us on the hook for all the stupid shit he does, and will do.
It is him, and his dishonest ilk, who post online sad face apoligies and say "not my president" like the petulant lying children they are.
It's truly a glorious analogy. Forewarned: I am likely to steal it.
They could have had peace any time in the last 75 years
Only on the condition that they give up their country.
That is what happens when one picks a war and loses it massively.
Oh, I'm in no way saying they haven't lost. I just don't agree that the question of who "picked the war" is quite so clear, given that the terms offered were "we take all of your country or you compromise and we only take half."
They didn't *have* a country. The land in question went straight from "a province of the Ottoman Empire" to "a territory of the British Empire" with no stops in between. *None* of the countries in that area were "countries" before that. Iraq declared its independence from... The UK. Same with Jordan. *Every* border in the area was drawn by the British and French.
So it's not "we'll take half of your country" as much as "here's what we're doling out to you for a country" and they got pissy that they didn't get it all. And kept picking wars and ending up with less and less of it.
If Israel hadn't been in the mix, all of that land would almost certainly belong to either Jordan or Egypt at this point. The British wouldn't have bothered to make a "Palestine".
Winning the war is the easy part. It's the subsequent occupation that's the killer. In Afghanistan, the Taliban were routed and chased out of the capital in a matter of days. The occupation went on for decades and ended with the Taliban returning to power.
What country?
To the extent that they had one, that went pear shaped when the Arabs attacked the nascent Israeli state and lost, badly. A situation that repeated itself several times over between 1948 and the early 70s.
Despite all that losing, they still demand that the Israelis give up their country.
Winning a war is not enough. You have to win the occupation. An American today with Iraq and Afghanistan under his belt shouldn't have to be reminded of this.
Also, in a related LOL:
Bill Kristol
@BillKristol
The Harvard College Jewish Alumni Association has drafted a thoughtful but firm open letter to the Harvard administration, seeking “a reasonable discussion of our concerns.” I’ve signed it, and urge other graduates—Jewish and non-Jewish—to do so as well.
2:31 PM · Oct 26, 2023
Yeah, Bill, that'll show 'em.
more terrifying: Kristol or Blinken?
What's Queen Victoria Nuland? Chopped liver?
hotter than Kristol or Blinken in a dark psychotic way.
A murderous psychotic?
"What’s Queen Victoria Nuland?"
Destroyer of worlds.
Krusty Kristol the Klown.
Well he stopped short of "sternly worded" so I don't think I can in good conscience support this effort.
I'm sure his center-right buddies will nod their head in satisfaction at his willingness to dialogue.
Are they Americans of Palestinian descent? Or are they Palestinians residing in America?
Do they support Hamas?
If you're an *American* and support America, I think most people couldn't care less what your heritage is. Welcome!
If you want to come to America and recreate your homeland, so that you can live as an Whateverian in the US, piss off.
If you want to come to America to foment hatred and support terrorists slaughtering people on the street without warning, just die.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who is attempting to ban pro-Palestinian student groups from Florida universities
I disagreed with what DeSantis did because of his infringement on free speech, but this is a bit of a mischaracterization.
Why should they have privileged access to university assets while they endorse genocide and terror attacks? Not just Palestine being a free country but actual terror attacks.
Because they paid student fees and tuition, which is meant to find access to those very things. If they were getting extra funding from the state specifically for them, by all means, cut off the tap. But you can’t retaliate against them and still claim to be in favor of free speech.
UF grad here.
They routinely deny recognition of all manner of student groups. Mostly because the funds are limited and they want them going to preffered or pre existing groups (you want to start another RPG group? Nope, join the one already in existence. You want to start an LGBTQWERTY RPG group? Of course!) Are each and every pne of these a "free speech" violation?
The histrionics, and fundamental lack of reasoning over this is telling. These are privileges that first require being an actively enrolled student and only are subject to the rules of the State and University.
Killed 7000 Palestinians? You get your info direct from HAMAS?
Well, whatever. The pro-Pally protestors are showing their hand in Europe and North America. Keep your baggage back home. These idiots are threatening Jews on our soil. And of course, the cops are splendidly fucking useless in Canada. They'd rather arrest parents and truckers. They handcuffed two guys having a private conversation about a parental rights march on a city bus in Calgary because some piece of shit snowflake was offended.
But they let the Pally mob run amok threatening businesses. Or in the UK, arrest blokes with a Union Jack.
Use. Less. Everyone in the 'free' West is a gutless coward. Politicians, judges, cops, useful idiots. All of them. Useless.
Let the civil war begin. Let God sort out the rest.
Hello Rufus.
Hidee-ho.
https://twitter.com/feelsdesperate/status/1717688968551051288?t=JnrvHEHqpT1mdWbnvhaFEg&s=19
Can’t condemn murder, rape, kidnapping, and mayhem (‘It’s complicated! And occurring within the context of a liberation movement!’) but somehow this goofy high school kid was able to spark a national moral panic.
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Gay.
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1717724329138393410?t=CSEZuNMtaC_07MO1iJs2MQ&s=19
JUST IN -- U.S. warplanes have conducted air strikes against Iranian proxies in multiple locations in Syria.
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Wait, hold on. Which is it?
Wait, I've heard this one before.
The scorpion kills the frog, even knowing it'll bring about its own demise by doing so.
Wait, no - the snake, after promising not to in return for the boy's help, sinks his venomous fangs into the boy and then mocks him for his foolishness: "You knew what I was when you picked me up."
If you are a hyphenated American, you may be legally American, but as far as I'm concerned, you can go to hell.
If Palestinian-Americans want to be respected as Americans, they might want to show some courtesy to their fellow Americans like not forming a violent mob and trapping people in with that mob.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_PR5RaDE38
Pro-Palestinian protest in Minnesota blocks road. Gets angry at man trying to slowly drive through. Man is assaulted with pepper spray, making him even more determined to get away frm now angry mob. Man gets through mob finds that the next intersection is blocked by a barricade of cars trapping him with the angry mob, but is able to find an escape route by making a u-turn over median. Mob members seem to think they had a right to punish man and are frustrated by him escaping their clutches.
I have to disagree. Americans are American. Hyphenated Americans are those whose feet are in this country and their heart and heads in a country they may never have been too. The main problem with this country are way to many people wanting to put labels on themselves when the only label they need is I am American.
Palestinian Americans may be Americans, but it doesn’t mean they’re GOOD Americans. I have not been confronted by many bad Americans in my life so far, but I know they live here not too far away. The only protests I’ve ever participated in were – in my youth – trying to get the government to end the war in Vietnam. I have never attended a protest in support of Israel – or any foreign nation – and I never will, but I can tell the difference between peaceable honest people and terrorists. Apparently, some Americans don’t have that ability.
On 9/11, the Palestinians celebrated and passed around sweets, but Muslim and Arab Americans in the US vocally distanced themselves from the jihadist atrocity. This time is different! Their communities have made a massive, muscle-flexing show of force in support of Hamas and its genocidal agenda. We have several videos of members of their communities tearing up fliers with pictures of kidnapped Israeli children. It would be an understatement to say that there hasn’t been a forceful condemnation of such utterly despicable behavior from community spokespersons.
Stop equivocating. Do you mean "SOME Muslim Americans" or "ALL Muslim Americans"? Logically, aren't Palestinians both Muslim Americans and Arab Americans?
Statements like yours are meaningless posturing.
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I am constantly amazed at how hard Reason writers have to struggle to come up with a thousand words of quasi-sympathetic propaganda to apologize for the Palestinians. In that entire piece there was almost no single piece of factual evidence. In that entire piece there was only one actual battle during the days immediately following the declaration of the Jewish State of Israel in which the Haganah – itself an underground illegal “resistance” organization until that date – may have gone too far. And even then, no mention of the terrorist attacks launched by “palestinians” from those two towns that the reprisals were in reaction to. No mention of the fatwahs declaring jihad against the Jewish state. No mention of the 700,000 arab muslims who left Israel voluntarily – not evicted forcibly by the Jews. No mention of the 700,000 arab muslims who remained peacefully in the new Jewish state and prospered there ever since. Palestinian Americans are mourning and suffering, but no discussion from their side about WHY their kinsmen in Gaza are “trapped there by war.” Only the brave Hamas resistance and the desire for (one-sided) justice. The only peace they desire in Israel is the peace that can happen only when the Jewish state has been annihilated and the only place in the world Jews can call home has been eradicated.
"The only peace they desire in Israel is the peace that can happen only when the Jewish state has been annihilated and the only place in the world Jews can call home has been eradicated."
This is often repeated but it's not true. Of course the Palestinians are not keen on the Jewish state that privileges Jews above all else, and would like to see the end of it. An equally important goal, one not appreciated here, is the return of the Palestinian refugees who for decades have been confined to squalid camps throughout the region. Once these goals met, then we can talk about peace.
Of course it's true: the goal of the Palestinian government has been the complete eradication of Israel.
"Return" where? Almost none of the people in Gaza have ever lived in what is Israel today.
In fact, no Arabs were displaced or removed from their lands until Arabs started a war of annihilation against Israel, which they lost. At that point, whatever claims they had were extinguished, just like Germany lost a lot of its territories after WWII.
Palestinians have no legitimate claim on any of the land in Israel, and they are rapidly gambling away any claims to Gaza and the West Bank.
"Of course it’s true: the goal of the Palestinian government has been the complete eradication of Israel."
The Palestinian government has always demanded the return of refugees. It's a goal that supersedes any other political settlement with Israel and it's been the sticking point for negotiations for years now. This return shouldn't be surprising as all the Palestinian organizations, whether Hamas or the PLO, see themselves as representing all the Palestinians scattered in camps over the region.
" A bright future awaits us in the wasteland of the undifferentiated economic zone formerly known as America."
Whatever happens in the rest of the world, we'll always make the whiniest and bestest victims.
Being an American means being whatever you want. That's why we have to put up walls to keep people from coming here. Because it's so awesome compared to the rest of the world. Unless there's some country/government you think is doing a better job.
"Democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried" - Winston Churchill
And the most stupid smug and proud of it, such as trueman:
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
America isn’t a democracy you dumb fuck.
"Because it’s so awesome compared to the rest of the world. "
People are literally killing themselves trying to get here, so...yeah.
It's a constitutional republic no shit. Please find a house fire and jump into it.
Drink yourself to death already.
Hey pussy, why don’t you threaten to kick his ass, then run away and hide. Like you did with me?