When the MAGA Movement Sounds Like Bernie Sanders
We already have a party that's committed to progressive ideals, do we really need another?

Our nation's unique founding is based on a set of principles rooted in the classical liberal tradition. It means that each individual has an inalienable bundle of rights that should be protected from government intrusion. As a result, American conservatives have largely sought to conserve what the rest of the world calls "liberalism."
Classical liberals defend property rights, strict limits on government authority, and free-market capitalism. They do, however, support a government role in areas such as infrastructure, policing, and national defense. At its root, this is an optimistic philosophy that believes the fruits of liberty are available to all humanity. Ronald Reagan—its most-eloquent modern political proponent—often talked about America as a shining city on the hill.
Modern liberals co-opted the word, but their outlook has long been rooted in the progressive tradition, which supports "the subservience of private individuals, social institutions, and firms to a large, complex state characterized by an extensive and powerful administrative apparatus that is powered by so-called neutral experts," as the Classical Liberal Institute explains.
California has a long progressive tradition going back at least to Gov. Hiram Johnson, which explains the ongoing circus at the state Capitol and the overall dismal state of affairs in every area that its muscular state apparatus touches (education, housing, transportation, resources). Progressivism believes in government—the more the better—because it is a dour philosophy that sees civil institutions as anarchic relics of patriarchy and oppression.
Now many progressives aren't even progressive in the old parlance, but "democratic socialists." This philosophy's most notable champion—Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.), the onetime Democratic presidential candidate—calls for a re-ordering of the economy. He's sounds like a scold who rails against capitalism, describes our system as corrupt, and has a soft spot for certain despots.
The most significant aspect of Donald Trump's takeover of the GOP wasn't his obliteration of norms, but his re-configuring of the conservative brand into something reminiscent of European conservatism. Lacking our classical liberal revolution, conservatives there try to conserve long-held traditions involving geography, ethnicity, and religion.
There's a reason many U.S. conservatives have made pilgrimages to authoritarian Hungary, where that country's leader touts a "post-liberal" order. In Europe, conservatives are hostile to capitalism (it disrupts traditional businesses), believe in expanded welfare programs, and are fine with a government that controls the media. It's a pessimistic approach, as it seeks to halt societal change (gay rights, immigration) that threatens the Old Ways.
We see the parallels in American politics, as the surly MAGA-dominated Republican Party jettisons Reagan-style optimism in favor of dark visions of immigrant invaders, dystopian cities, and elites who rig the financial system. They've identified some genuine problems, but have not reacted in the American tradition. It's common for conservatives now to argue our nation is on the cusp of oblivion—so we need to beat back the threat by any means necessary.
In terms of economic policy, the populist right embraces tariffs, which are nothing more than massive taxes on American consumers in the name of fighting foreign products. Now even more of the MAGA movement's economic policy is in view and, predictably, it has more in common with Sanders' ideals than Reagan's. It wasn't a one-off when Trump praised some of Sanders' economic policies.
Few U.S. senators are more MAGA than Josh Hawley (R–Mo.), who is known for his fist pump on January 6. He recently introduced a bill that would cap the interest rates that private credit card companies can charge as a way to give "the working class a chance." Such price controls—and rhetoric—are indistinguishable from something from the Left. He's repeatedly blasted Wall Street and has called to regulate the tech firms.
Zaid Jilani noted in his recent Guardian piece that Hawley has authored bills to ban certain video game boxes, place price controls on pharmaceuticals, impose fees on foreign capital and require universities to pay off half the student debt of those who default. Jilani is a progressive so he was thrilled: "(F)or too long, the Republican party has embraced market libertarian thinking that pretends that the solution to any social problem is a change in individual behavior."
It's not just Hawley. In pitching his idea for "common good capitalism," U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) argues, "The notion that, left unguided, the market will solve our problems will not restore a balance between the obligations and rights of the private sector and working Americans." If not for quoting two popes, Rubio's rhetoric could come straight from Sanders.
Expect more of this as the 2024 campaign heats up. Supporters will depict it as part of a populist pro-family agenda, but it's the same old big government in gussied-up attire. We already have a party that's committed to progressive ideals, so I'd be happy enough if conservatives returned to their Reaganite roots and once again governed like "liberals."
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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...in favor of dark visions of immigrant invaders, dystopian cities, and elites who rig the financial system
I realize this is supposed to be dig on the MAGA GOP, but the three examples are EXACTLY what the Democrats are doing right now.
Yes, but everybody expects it out of Dems ... not supposed conservatives. That is the point of the article.
The only nod I’ll give to Greenhut is on a trend of populism or something he didn’t mention, which every fiscal conservative should be talking about. The questions in the Republican debate were more like Jacobin or Bernie Sanders wrote them. Second, Fox partnered with a Latin American leftist. Let’s see: Continue Pandemic Aid for government run daycare centers. Going after wealth or one percent of the population who supposedly control 1/5 of the economy. Basically, in a nutshell, Fox promotion of: let’s keeping spending on ngos or public/private partnerships and tax the 1 percent.
This article brought to you by the well-disguised and camouflaged, and thoroughly non-partisan arm of the Democrat left establishment
"has authored bills to ban certain video game boxes"
Say you have literally no idea what a "loot box" is without saying you don't know what a "loot box" is.
"Certain video game boxes"? Hilarious.
Thanks, I had to look up what "loot box" meant.
Me too.
Gambling for kids.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1707718443292627178?t=7OsGyqINyczBlnYUKA0iTg&s=19
Situation is beyond insane & growing fast
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"We already have a party that's committed to progressive ideals, do we really need another?"
The (D) and the GOPe are committed to corporatist and neo-fascist ideals too. America needs a party that doesn't want to farm humans for money.
What is GOPe? RINO?
Gop establishment. Romneys, haleys, etc.
“What is GOPe? RINO?”
Essentially. It’s short for GOPestablishment.
We already have a party that's committed to progressive ideals, so I'd be happy enough if conservatives returned to their Reaganite roots and once again governed like "liberals."
Hear hear!
In terms of economic policy, the populist right embraces tariffs, which are nothing more than massive taxes on American consumers in the name of fighting foreign products.
That's funny. Because every time I say that I'm told tariffs are a cost imposed on importers, not consumers.
I meant exporters, not importers.
Because it is imposed on exporters…..which then hike the prices on consumers. It is the dumb fuck consumers who keep paying for the hikes.
That is why Yellen has a shit eating grin every time someone buys something that keeps getting more and more expensive. Inflation has gone up and up and the dumb fucks keep absorbing it.
Two things can be true at the same time.
Because it is imposed on exporters…..which then hike the prices on consumers.
No, it is not. Exporters do not pay the tax. It is not a cost imposed upon exporters. Nobody in China pays the tariffs on Chinese goods.
Tariffs are taxes paid by consumers in the form of higher prices. Those higher prices can result in less demand for those imports, but that's not a cost imposed on exporters. It just means less business.
Less business is a loss.
Which is why tariffs are a spectacularly bad idea. Herbert Hoover turned a modest recession into the Great Depression by signing the Smoot Hawley tariff bill and Trump's tariffs were for some things higher than those in the Smoot Hawley law. One of Biden's major failings was his delay in reducing the Trump tariffs. He should have reduced all tariffs for everything imported to one percent, period. And let the no longer protected inefficient business interests go broke.
Lacking our classical liberal revolution, conservatives there try to conserve long-held traditions involving geography, ethnicity, and religion.
So we see none of that from US conservatives?
I think the point is that US conservatives are doing exactly that, while forgetting or even shunning their classical liberal roots.
That’s exactly what he’s saying, yes.
Learn to fucking read, cracker.
When the MAGA Movement Sounds Like Bernie Sanders We already have a party that’s committed to progressive ideals, do we really need another?
Sounds like a good one to skip straight to the comments.
BTW Feinstein just kicked the bucket.
Serious question: is there no majority in the senate right now?
Sure is; has been, it's just ignored.
Republicans 49
Democrats 47
Independents 3
So the republicans retain the majority, but a bunch of insurrectionists rule in the name of the democrats.
The GOP have a plurality, not majority.
As the Senate is currently biased in favour of Republicans atm – an accidental, not inherent property, owing to small-state bias – it is hard for me to be vexed when they’re not actually ruling despite having more senators than the Democrats. More people voted for Democratic senators than Republican senators.
Muh popular vote
"More people voted for Democratic senators than Republican senators."
The mailed in ballots, counted long into the night, say so.
"Sounds like a good one to skip straight to the comments."
The new Reason timesaver - read the headline, check the author, head for the comments.
When one more Reason writer turns out to be a TDS-addled pile of shit.
MAGA this, MAGA that. MAGA, MAGA, MAGA. Greenhut sounds exactly like fucking Joe Biden
Now many progressives aren't even progressive in the old parlance, but "democratic socialists."
Speaking of 'conserving' the old ways - - - - - -
"National Socialist German Workers' Party"
Different name, same policies. (except for the nationalism part)
Bullshit. You lot get all bent out of shape when people allegedly compare Trump to Hitler, but have no problem comparing Democrats to Nazis.
And do you think that North Korea is a democracy? Presumably you do, because it has "democratic" in its official name.
Because comparing him to Hitler is fucking retarded….
Interestingly you have never criticized anyone for comparing Trump supporters to Nazis so what the fuck are you complaining about?
I repeatedly complain when Trump gets compared to Hitler. He isn't like Hitler at all. He is a lot like Mussolini, though.
Could it be that the comparison is apt in one case, but not in the other?
I read somewhere recently an opinion piece by a libertarian who confessed that the libertarian response to economic dislocations due to technology tends strongly toward the "learn to code" type of heartlessness, and that this is why most voters don't take libertarians seriously.
I think that pairs well with this piece. Up until about ten years ago, most voters still saw the GOP as the party of small government, despite the manifest untruth of that brand. Now most voters see the GOP as no more committed to small government or fiscal responsibility than the Democrats. That's the root of the Trump/Bernie populism, because the people who saw Republicans as supporters of the big boys against the little guy are joining with the people who saw the Democrats as trying to make everyone into little guys to preserve their own power.
Both are correct, but as it always does, populism has brought a devolution of political dialogue from debates over policy (even if often rather fake) to mindless Our Team cheerleading. Which is the root of the low-quality policy dialogue that Greenhut notes here.
populism has brought a devolution of political dialogue from debates over policy (even if often rather fake) to mindless Our Team cheerleading
Yep.
"Technological economic dislocations." This is not the problem with tech. "Learn to code heartlessness." Software isn't going to be all that profitable anyways, I don't see what I should be assuming here.
Excellent article! Over at the DW website Germans are still carping over reunification now that the communist "antifa" wall has been down for 33 years. The resurgence of German Christian National Socialist ideology coinciding with the MAGA putsch Stateside blossoms most venomously guess where? Former Soviet Socialist East Germany is now home to current Nationalsozialist Volksgenosse and heavily-mixed-economy fascism. Crucifixes replace the hammer-and-sickles that replaced swastikas, and girl-bullying socialism is still socialism just like in Amerikan GOP States.
Girl bullying? Like libtards allowing MEN to play in WOMENS sports?
It's still 1992 for Old Hank and the biggest threats to freedom are the Moral Majority hating on Hustler and explicit lyrics warnings on cassettes.
When the MAGA movement declares that Congress has the power via the Commerce Clause to regulate each person's economic decisions (as in the PPACA), Greenhut's argument will have a point.
But most of what Greenhut is saying is along the lines of Hitler liked pizza, so anyone else who likes pizza is just like Hitler.
Jack Kemp famously said: “You cannot hate the employer and love the employee." Does that make Jack Kemp's philosophy the same as the Pope Leo X111? The same as Rubio's? And thus, the same a Bernie Sanders?
The opening line and the next 5 paragraphs of Greenhut's article are spot on. However, beginning with "The most significant aspect of Donald Trump's takeover..." Greenhut makes one false equivalency after another.
Yeah, who knew that “in Europe, conservatives are hostile to capitalism….. , believe in expanded welfare programs”..,, as a means to “halt societal change (gay rights, immigration)..,, ?
Seems an odd (and completely counterproductive) way to go about what the writer assumes are European conservative goals. I mean, what does “expanded welfare programs” do to discourage immigration?
Is greenhut retarded? Perhaps our resident limey cracker can expand on this nonsense? It’s what he does.
His claims about Hungary aren't what I have seen, except from the establishment, that is pissed at them for wanting to protect their culture from third-world invaders.
All populism is to the left of center. Always has been. Populism is a popular demand for centralized government to use its power over the economy to "do something!"
Populism is never about leaving the poeple alone. It's always about sticking the thumb on the scale to help the popular demographic.
The "right" as opposed to the "left" has traditionally been in favor of private property rights, including the right of the wealthy to their wealth. So once you start talking about the Elite and the Rich as if they were synonymous, that's no longer a movement of the right, but a movement of the left.
I right wing movement would get rid of crony capitalism, and level the playing field. A left wing movement would alter the cronyism to favor a different group, but in no way would be interested in getting rid of cronyism itself. Save our jerbs by stopping businesses from freely and voluntarily moving their headquarters to more tax friendly nations, for example. Ei. Carrier. That's coming from a left wing viewpoint. Or subsidizing foreign companies to locate here for the jerbs. Ei. Foxconn. That's left wing thinking.
Cutting taxes is from the right. Replacing taxes with debt is from the left. Cutting spending is from the right. Moving spending to more favored sectors is from the left.
Today the "right" in America is defined only by being on one side in a culture war. In terms of trade and economic policy, the right is now left.
Today the “right” in America is defined only by being on one side in a culture war. In terms of trade and economic policy, the right is now left.
Yep.
Oh how the left love to SELF-PROJECT. No need to even try and hide it anymore. Whatever the left does is all the rights fault.. Yep... Sure, sure /s
How do the left and right differ on trade and economics, other than which winners and losers they pick?
FDA created by a Democrat Trifecta monopolizing the drug market.
Obamacare by a Democrat Trifecta monopolizing healthcare.
HHS created by a Democrat Trifecta monopolizing MORE.
US Commie-Education (DoEd) created by a Democrat Trifecta
Wealth distribution crusades by the left.
Climate (Weather-Changes) regulation fanatics.
Socialist Security by a Democrat Trifecta.
Federal Reserve Act by a Democrat Trifecta.
Trumps De-Regulation Committee.
Trumps Tax-Cuts.
Trumps De-Funding the EPA.
Trumps ejecting from the Paris Accord.
The list is actually endless but your partisan lenses won't allow you to see anything you don't want to see.
*sigh*
I'm talking about now, not the 1940s when conservatives weren't deliberately ignorant on economics.
Conservatives used to oppose import taxes and support free trade. Now they're all about import taxes and protectionism, just like the left.
Conservatives used to be somewhat hands off when it came to domestic economic policy. Now they pick winners and losers, just like the left.
Conservatives used to support the freedom to do trade with others regardless of political borders. Now they put politics over trade, just like the left.
Trump is not 1940s and your cherry-picked issue is obviously Tariffs which you obviously admit is just a Tax on importers but won't give any credit for Trumps Tax-Cuts (partisan lenses).
Conservatives DO still oppose import taxes and support free trade.
- They just don't support subsidizing importers and free-rides.
- Most of this is actually a reaction to the lefts manufacturing killing and debt growing which has killed USA productivity. It's not nationally safe for the USA to be dependents on totalitarian nations.
Conservatives ARE somewhat hands off when it comes to domestic economic policy.
- Especially in contrast to the left.
Conservatives DO support the freedom to do trade with others especially domestically.
Trump's tariffs, and the commies ones, are completely different.
Trump would remove tariffs, if the field was made even.
The commies just look at them as taxation, which makes their little weenies hard.
I think it’s way more a case of blue pilled libertarians being caught flat footed and mired in bullshit rhetoric long after the neo-commies have snatched their ball and ran it into the idiot zone.
Immigration Reform? Nah, we’ll demolish the entire concept of borders and citizenship and let in thousands a day.
Criminal Justice reform? Nah we’ll just stop enforcing laws against actual crimes and let a bunch of maniacs out along with non violent offenders.
End the drug war? We’ll decriminalize street drugs while making it harder to get legit pain meds. We’ll also leave the murder gangs in charge of the market. Then we’ll throw out property rights and let insane junkies who want to drop out sleep and shit in the parks and sidewalks.
Free trade? We’ll become completely dependent on a genocidal communist race state. We’ll allow the largest financiers on the planet use liquidity to strong arm every corporation into peddling neo-communism.
Globalization? Nope. Globalism. The UN will determine your national policies constitution be damned.
Non interventionism? Are fucking kidding me right now?
Free Speech? Muh private companies!
I could go on. The issues have migrated so far down left field, the 2008 classical liberal stance is meaningless without a cultural counter revolution.
The problem with the American right is that "promote the general welfare" has taken complete priority over "protect the blessings of liberty," which is actually far more important.
“the general welfare of the United States” government. Part of the taxation clause.
I cannot believe so many people have bought into such word cutting out of context blatant deceitful manipulation. Do they really think the founders would make up a clause so vague it would literally destroy the rest of the document????
Now that is FREAK-EN hilarious. Rubio and Hawley being the basis of MAGA?????? Seriously? And slap on a topping of Treasonous Bernie Sanders?
Talk about trying to lead sheep off a cliff. That's got to be some of the worst 'journalism' I've ever wasted time reading.
I don’t believe fiscal conservatives or pension holders and shareholders want wealth confiscation and taxation, but link is a SCOTUS case as fiscal conservatives should be horrified by the one time federal unrealized gains tax in Trumps tax law. Here’s the case for Trumps populist tax law from the socialist left, upset that a Moore victory will prevent the democrats/socialists in congress from imposing confiscatory wealth taxes and unrealized gains taxes on anyone that owns anything.
https://www.levernews.com/justices-have-financial-interest-in-major-tax-case/
Those aren't "visions", that's reality.
Traditional American ceased to exist during the progressive era. Therefore, America simply cannot "react in the American tradition".
We already have "massive taxes" and a "massive deficit" that needs to be paid for by additional "massive taxes". So, the question isn't whether "consumers" will be taxed massively but how. And tariffs are a good way of "taxing consumers".
No, actually, it is in the name of reducing supply chain dependencies on foreign adversaries.
Credit and banking industries are government granted monopolies. For Reason to pretend that credit card companies are some kind of private free market enterprise and that Republicans are interfering in that private enterprise is ludicrous.
In fact, this is at the root of most of the ridiculous analysis coming out of Reason these days. The US is a social welfare state with massively progressive taxes, massive debt, and more than half of the economy under government control, yet Reason authors reason about it and about policies as if the US was a free market libertopia except for the one policy they happen to be writing about.
Yes, do expect more of this. And until you understand what I wrote above, the causes of this will continue to mystify you.
The U.S. has the highest progressive taxes, for the top 10 percent of earners in the population, on planet earth. Now JP Morgan wants your little house, to make money off of climate fascism.
Never forget this everyone,
https://dailycaller.com/2023/04/05/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-eminent-domain-green-energy/
"Credit and banking industries are government granted monopolies."
The ignorance here is amazing. The US has many thousands of banks, all in competition with each other. Only someone who doesn't understand the English language can call that a monopoly. Compare to Canada, which basically has five banks.
But, if everyone is doing it wrong, then why is that? If liberalism is the superior to progressivism and European conservatism, then why don't American politicians see that?
Politicians aren't interested in what's good for the people living in a country, they are interested in maximizing their personal power and wealth.
Progressivism, socialism, facism and European authoritarianism allow them to increase their power and wealth.
Classical liberalism, on the other hand, would decrease their power and wealth, so they fight it with every fiber of their being.
One problem is that business interests absolutely DO NOT WANT free markets, free trade, and open competition. They want corporate welfare, protection from competition, and guaranteed markets. Trump offers that. Biden doesn't.
It's interesting Greenhut doesn't even mention the Tea Party which he and other anti-right libertarians attacked and undermined at every opportunity. Those "libertarians" got exactly what they wanted, why are they whining about it?
We need to stop ordering from the Chinese menu of state authority offered by the Democrats and Republicans. Open the food court to make the question, how much authoritarianism do you want instead of what kind do you want.
Hiram Johnson is a better example than most readers realize. He was literally the Progressive Party Vice Presidential candidate in 1912, running alongside Theodore Roosevelt. If you read the Progressive Party platform from that year, it is indeed a defense of Big Government. Among its planks were a National Health Service and high tariffs. The supposedly equally progressive Woodrow Wilson did squat about public health and got Congress to enact the first significant reduction in tariffs since the 1850s. Businesses who lost their corporate welfare screamed bloody murder. Wilson was actually more the classical liberal in terms of economics, at least in theory. (Unfortunately, Wilson was also the worst racist among the three openly racist candidates that year.)
Fast forward to 1940. Johnson, then a long serving US Senator, was a leader of the America First movement. It tried to prevent the US from preparing for the inevitable war with Nazi Germany. Today the America First crowd is repeating the same mistake Neville Chamberlain made in 1938, supporting the swallowing up of an independent country by a brutal dictator who is totally hostile to our interests. The difference is that Chamberlain was just plain naive and clueless (as were his predecessors Baldwin and MacDonald); Trump and the rest of the MAGA movement are openly supporting Putin. And so is the supposedly progressive Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.