Does Capitalism Really Make Us Lonely?
What both the left and the right don't understand

Presume the economic case for free markets is true: that capitalism makes us freer and richer, creates better jobs and greater opportunities, and helps us solve environmental problems. Does it make us happier too?
The American conservative Patrick Deneen believes liberal capitalism makes us "increasingly separate, autonomous, nonrelational selves, replete with rights and defined by our liberty, but insecure, powerless, afraid, and alone." Under the exhaustive headline "Neoliberalism—the ideology at the root of all our problems," the British leftist George Monbiot claims that these problems include (but are by no means limited to) "epidemics of self-harm, eating disorders, depression, loneliness, performance anxiety and social phobia."
Freedom "doesn't make us free, it makes us lonely," adds Christian conservative Joel Halldorf. "Increasing mental illness, isolation and populism are signs that liberalism cannot sustain itself." The leftist economist Noreena Hertz argues that "neoliberalism has made us see ourselves as competitors not collaborators, consumers not citizens, hoarders not sharers, takers not givers, hustlers not helpers."
Such sweeping statements are only very rarely followed by attempts to document any causal link or even a correlation. Surprisingly often, a quick misreading of classical liberals is supposed to be enough to prove the connection between liberalism and greed and loneliness, as if the resistance to forced relationships was based on a resistance to relationships themselves.
Yet classical liberalism does not deny man's need for belonging; it just denies that an outside authority knows which collectives anyone else should belong to. Liberalism is not about finding all life's meaning in a shopping list, it just says that we need more meaning than can be found in a ballot paper and that those who seek the meaning of life in collective projects that they try to enforce on everybody have less of a sense of the beautiful richness and diversity of human nature than the alleged cold and robotic market liberals. Do we need something more than our lonely, individual lives? Of course we do, but what? Can we even find a single collective project that would make Deneen, Hertz, and Halldorf cuddle together in communitarian hygge?
Even then we are still only talking about a small homogeneous group of Western intellectuals who demand a collective political project. What does the collective utopia look like that would fill the empty hearts of such diverse people as Stephen Fry, MrBeast, Elon Musk, Billie Eilish, Roger Federer, Mario Vargas Llosa, Danielle Steel, Richard Dawkins, PewDiePie, Robert Downey Jr., Nick Cave, LeBron James, Larry David, Donald Trump, Kylie Jenner, The Rock, Quentin Tarantino, Posh Spice, Robert Smith, Chris Rock, Blixa Bargeld, Neal Stephenson, Kim Kardashian, Lionel Messi, Johan Norberg, and some 7.9 billion more?
Liberalism does not ignore the meaningful life; it holds that more people have a chance to find meaning if they have the freedom to search for it.
The counterargument is that we just can't—that there is something in the very freedom of choice that makes us selfish and isolated, that it's precisely this individual search for meaning in life that creates the epidemic of loneliness that is sweeping the Western world.
But is there even such an epidemic?
100 Years of Solitude?
Few conditions are more destructive to people's physical and mental well-being than the feeling of being abandoned. Loneliness is an individual misfortune and a major social problem. But most articles about an epidemic of loneliness are in fact about the growing number of single households. That's not the same thing.
Living alone has its downsides, but there is actually no strong association between it and feelings of loneliness or lack of social support. Sweden often tops lists of most single households, but at the same time it is also one of the countries where people say they feel the least loneliness—clearly below the European average and, interestingly, much below the feelings of loneliness in southern Europe, despite their reputation for big families and warmth.
Of course, this could be because Swedes are so introverted that they think a visit to the local shop is sufficient to experience community. But Swedes are also in touch with their friends more often than other Europeans.
The problem with assessing our level of loneliness is that we tend to interpret the difficulties we all experience with relationships and relatives as a sign that such connections have fallen into disrepair and that there must have been a better time or place when we all lived in more harmonious relationships. It may be worth recalling that the most common violent crime in the traditional society of the 19th century was violence against parents (at a time when children often had a legal obligation to care for them), suggesting that an enforced relationship is often a cause of conflict rather than concord.
I often hear the claim that poorer and more collectivist countries have a different and deeper form of community than people who live in urbanized, individualized materialist ones. (I hear this from students in rich countries, that is—I have never heard it said in poor countries.) But when the Gallup World Poll asks people around the world: "If you were in trouble, do you have relatives or friends you can count on to help you whenever you need them?" a very different pattern emerges. In African countries, an average of 25 percent answer "no." In South America and Asia, it's about 20 percent. It's around 10 percent in Japan and Taiwan. And it is down to single digits in Europe, the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.
In November 2022, I read an article in the Financial Times headlined "Are we ready for the approaching loneliness epidemic?" It claimed "the share of people who report having friends and relatives they can count on has been steadily dropping." Yet when I checked the source, it stated that the average level of people who have someone to count on "is almost unchanged" (at more than 90 percent) and that satisfaction with relationships has actually increased slightly.
After reviewing research in the field, the data visualization project Our World in Data concludes: "There is an epidemic of headlines that claim we are experiencing a 'loneliness epidemic,' but there is no empirical support for the fact that loneliness is increasing." One reason many believe there is an epidemic is that those who say they are most lonely are the young, but this is based on the belief that they will keep feeling just as lonely when they grow up. But as teens grow up, stop feeling they are misunderstood by society, establish friendships and romantic relationships, form families, and have colleagues, their loneliness tends to decrease (until a partner dies late in life, when the feeling of loneliness increases again). So a more relevant question is whether those who are young today are more lonely than those who were young before (and whether older people today are more lonely than older people were back then). The answer seems to be no.
Even though Hertz reports depressing data on the number of people who feel alone, she does not make the case this share has risen over time. Studies following American college students since 1977 show the proportion who state they lack friends and feel left out has decreased somewhat. When researchers compare today's middle-aged and older people with previous generations at the same stage of life in the United States, England, Sweden, Finland, and Germany, they don't find evidence of increased loneliness.
As far as I know, there are no studies looking at whether society has experienced Gabriel García Márquez's 100 years of solitude, but we have at least 75 years of British loneliness studies, and they do not show an increase in the proportion who say they feel lonely. We must also take into consideration that it is probably less stigmatized to talk about feelings of loneliness today than in previous generations.
Swedes have answered questions about social relations since the golden age of collectivism, and their responses show that the feeling of loneliness has diminished since then among younger and older people, men and women. In the early 1980s, more than one in four Swedes stated that they lacked a close friend. Now just over one in 10 do so.
In other words, all these autonomous selves seem to be distinctly social. This should not come as a surprise—after all, we are social beings. So collectivist pressures and political programs are not needed to make us seek and develop contact with other people. Freedom is not about opting out of relationships but about choosing relationships that suit you and match your values.
If you want to feel lonely, you should refrain from fantasizing freely about how your opponents destroy all communities and instead, like the political scientist Caspian Rehbinder, compare data on subjective feelings of loneliness in places with different institutions. This shows the opposite of what critics see as the Achilles' heel of liberalism: Loneliness is reported less where freedom is greater. For every point a country gains on the Cato Institute and Fraser Institute's 10-point scale for personal and economic freedom—in effect, a measure of a country's classical liberalism—loneliness is on average six percentage points lower. Rehbinder also looked at each society's equality of distribution and degree of religiosity, since these are often suggested as remedies to the emptiness of liberalism. He found no connection whatsoever. If we trust the broad simple correlations, it seems we need personal freedom and free markets to remedy the existential isolation that equality and spirituality can't solve; it's not the other way around.
Several indicators of loneliness and isolation did worsen sharply during the pandemic, and it will take a long time until we learn whether this is a temporary dip or a new trend. But this is the predictable result of government-enforced social distancing, when people were commanded to stay at home and kids were not even allowed to meet their classmates. If anything, it is a counterargument to the hypothesis that too much liberty and mobility make us lonely.
There is also no evidence for the large increase in mental illness that many people assume exists (again with the caveat that the pandemic probably worsened these problems, at least temporarily). Hannah Ritchie, lead researcher at the Our World in Data project, writes: "Many (myself included) have the perception that mental health issues have been increasing significantly in recent years. The data…that we have does, in general, not support this conclusion." On the contrary, levels of mental illness appear to have been stable since 1990.
In a review of the literature in the field, four researchers writing in Acta Psychiatrica Scandinavica found 42 studies from 1990 to 2017 that used the same methodology to examine mental illness in the same geographical area over time. Most of them showed no increase in bad health (although such studies receive less media attention than the few that show an increase), and the overall result pointed to a "minimal" increase that they believe is due to demographic changes. (Globally, the incidence of depression and anxiety is largest among the middle-aged. So as populations age, a bigger share of people is diagnosed with a mental disorder.) The researchers conclude: "We can be rather confident that the overall global prevalence of mental illness has not dramatically increased in recent decades if it has at all."
In a population of 8 billion, there will always be groups of people in certain countries whose physical and mental suffering increase. There are ominous signs of an increase in depression and anxiety in teenage girls in some countries, for example, and in the United States there has been a worrying increase in drug overdoses. But globally, the suicide rate has fallen by about a third over the last 30 years. In Sweden, the suicide rate has halved since 1980.
So why are we so convinced that mental health is deteriorating? One reason is that we have borrowed terminology that was created for clinical health problems to talk about common forms of grief and worry. As many traditional, tangible sources of suffering disappear, the expectation that we should feel good all the time increases; when we don't, we suddenly start talking in psychiatric terms, even though stress and sadness are part of a good life. After observing that the proportion who experience reduced mental well-being is fairly constant while diagnoses and sick leave increase, Christian Rück, a psychiatrist at the Karolinska Institute, concludes that we have confused two different forms of suffering. Some mental pain is simply the abrasions of the soul, says Rück, which are just a part of life, but we have begun to confuse these with the fractures of the soul, which we need help and treatment to deal with.
And there's another change. Previous generations spoke freely about physical ailments, but the mental ones were hidden away and discussed only in a hushed voice. Today, it is much more common to report mental symptoms and to talk about them and seek help, and society and the health care system are more likely to take it seriously. That is a sign of an increasingly healthy society, not a sick one.
Happy Capitalism
So now perhaps we can go back to the original question of whether capitalism really makes us happier. Can money buy happiness?
Yes, you can buy happiness—but only at a very bad exchange rate. Compared to having health, peace of mind, and good relationships, money is not much to write home about. If your mental worry and anxiety for some reason increase by a tenth, you would need to increase your monthly salary by around $20,000 to get back to the same level of happiness that you had before. But one reason why individual income is less important for one's well-being is that most goods, services, and technologies that make a real difference to one's well-being spread quickly in market-based societies, so a few hundred bucks here or there does not make much of a difference to your happiness. The important thing is to live in a rich, free, capitalist society. If you have been lucky enough to be born there, much of your potential for happiness is already fulfilled.
We are not talking about objective indicators here but about what people say regarding their own emotional state. The sources of error are many: Both those who are too depressed and those who have too much excitement in life may not respond to surveys; occasional events play a disproportionately large role in our mood (such as the weather on the day you respond, if you missed the bus that morning, or if you happened to find a coin in the elevator just now); not everyone is honest even in anonymous surveys (the French believe melancholy is a sign of intelligence, and some think Scandinavians have such low expectations of life that they are constantly pleasantly surprised). One has to treat this data with great care. Still, what well-being research suggests is completely opposite to the notion that free markets and individualism suck the joy out of life.
The data indicate that individuals' average happiness grows with their income and the population's average happiness grows with the country's gross domestic product (GDP) per capita, and that both of these levels increase on average over time, as people and countries become richer. In Western Europe, North America, Australia, and New Zealand, people report the highest levels of well-being. In Africa, South Asia, and the Middle East, the levels are lowest. The correlation is clear, though not perfect: Latin American countries are happier than their level of prosperity would predict, and former communist countries are unhappier.
The Dutch sociologist Ruut Veenhoven sums up the state of research as "the more individualized society, the happier its citizens are"; the World Values Survey documents that the most important factors behind increased well-being are "global economic growth, widespread democratization, growing tolerance of diversity, and a rising sense of freedom." After devoting an entire book to an alleged happiness crisis, even the British economist Richard Layard admits that "we in the West are probably happier than any previous society."
That people claim to be so satisfied with their lives is in itself a surprise to most people. The British believe that only 47 percent of Brits perceive themselves as very or fairly happy, while as many as 92 percent state that they are very or fairly happy themselves. The result is similar in all 32 countries where the question has been asked. People apparently look more depressed on the outside than they feel on the inside. The underestimate is not small. Canadians and Norwegians are most optimistic about their compatriots and assumed that 60 percent of them were happy. That is actually lower than the self-perceived happiness in the least happy country, Hungary (69 percent).
This makes it incredibly risky to speculate about human well-being without relying on data —particularly when it comes to intellectuals, who (according to many studies) suffer more from anxiety and neuroticism than others. This is often what drives them onward, to create, write, and debate in public. Yet it also makes them even more inclined to underestimate the happiness of others, especially as they really can't comprehend how someone can be happy with the trivialities of everyday life, with unintellectual professions and Taco Tuesday. It also makes them inclined to look for causes of these problems in social structures and in vulgar capitalism. David Hume said of his close friend Jean-Jacques Rousseau that he just happens to be unhappy but tries to blame it on society instead of his own melancholy disposition.
When seen from the inside, capitalism is not as depressing as most intellectuals assume. Veenhoven, who was active in the Dutch Social Democrats when he began to study happiness, first believed government redistribution and generous social spending contributed to the well-being of a population. It is easy to assume this when you tend to find countries like Denmark, Finland, and Sweden near the top of the happiness lists. But as Veenhoven got more statistics, it became clear that other small, rich democracies such as Iceland, Switzerland, and New Zealand, with much smaller welfare states, were also at the top of the rankings. Ireland, the Netherlands, and Australia have about half the social spending as a share of GDP as Belgium, Italy, and France do, but they are significantly happier. Government redistribution has not even succeeded in creating a more equal distribution of well-being. "Happiness is not greater in welfare states," Veenhoven told me. "I was simply wrong."
Another conclusion that surprised Veenhoven was that income inequality does not reduce a country's well-being: "Income inequality is a by-product of capitalist societies and they have such a positive effect on well-being that outbalance the negative effect of being relatively poor." This is not a popular conclusion everywhere: "My colleagues are not amused. Inequality is big business here in the sociology department. Entire careers have been built on it."
There is a strong correlation between economic freedom and subjective well-being, and—contrary to most expectations—it is strongest for low-income earners. The researchers suspect this is due to the fact that free markets introduce autonomy and freedom of choice for those in a more difficult socioeconomic situation: "For high-income earners, this effect is much less important, as their income already gives them the access to more choices." No matter how much critics say we should feel like we are naked and afraid in capitalist societies, people insist on saying that it gives them a sense of control over their lives, at least compared to other systems.
None of this means the problems that critics equate with life in an individualist, capitalist society do not exist. It just means the same problems seem to be even greater in noncapitalist societies. Competition for resources and positions does not disappear because they are distributed politically instead of according to supply and demand. On the contrary, in capitalism we search for opportunities for mutual gain, while in economies based on distribution from the top we begin to see other groups as threats because what they take is something we do not get. It is telling that more than 30 years after the fall of communism, its destructive effects on communities and social trust have not completely faded. Although the gap with other countries is narrowing, it is still in post-communist societies that we find less trust, more loneliness, and less well-being.
The hunt for status is no less brutal because there are fewer arenas in which to compete. If there are many different ways in which people can develop their identity and seek confirmation, more people have a chance to find their path than in a more collectivist society where there is just one true way. It may even apply to our consumption. The philosopher Steven Quartz and the political scientist Anette Asp believe that diversity and freedom of choice help explain the fact that increased inequality has not made us more unhappy: "Social status, which was once hierarchical and zero-sum, has become more fragmented, pluralistic and subjective. The relationship between relative income and relative status, which used to be straightforward, has gotten much more complex."
In poorer societies, consumption is often about showing how high one has climbed on the prosperity ladder. That is why, paradoxically, poor societies have such a large share of consumption of pure luxury products that are sought after precisely because they are expensive. That exists in richer and more individualistic societies too, of course, but there consumption increasingly becomes a way of expressing one's personality. People no longer automatically covet the most expensive item but rather pursue what suits their taste and expresses their identity. Someone dreams of a Porsche; someone else prefers to show his green identity with a Tesla; a third person prefers a cheap and comfortable car, because their status is based on not caring about status when choosing a car; a fourth person talks happily and often about how it is vulgar to have a car when you can get anywhere on a bicycle and public transport. They can all converge in feelings of well-being, even if they diverge in income and taste.
The most important word in economic freedom is not economic but freedom. We are all different with different needs, and our chance of finding relationships, communities, work, and consumption that we enjoy increases if we get the freedom to choose. Not everyone wants to constantly work and strive for material rewards, and one of the advantages of an open society is that you do not have to choose that. Even before the pandemic, surveys in the Western world showed that between 20 percent and 50 percent of workers in recent years had chosen a less demanding job with less pay, reduced their working hours, declined a promotion, or moved to a calmer neighborhood to focus on their family, make everyday life easier, or just unwind with a less stressful life.
If you do not like the rat race, you can leave it—provided you live in a growing economy with high productivity so that you can do it without catastrophic consequences. That is exactly what capitalism makes possible, and that is why the working time of the average worker has decreased by about half in the last 150 years.
In 1870, Britons worked more hours from January through August in an average year than they now do between January and December. We also start working later in life and live for far longer after retirement. That's why you sit here and read and think about the viability of different political and economic systems and their implications for human well-being—a pastime that used to be reserved for a tiny elite with many servants and plenty of free time, or someone who happened to have a generous friend whose family lived off a cotton fortune, as Karl Marx had.
This article is adapted from The Capitalist Manifesto: Why the Global Free Market Will Save the World by permission of Atlantic Books.
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I live alone and it's great. I work 6 day weeks, I have neighbors I've known for decades. We had one big garden for all of us again this year. I go to lunch with a long time friend every week on my day off. Today after work I'm grilling shrimp, yesterday a t-bone on my patio.Life is good.
Sounds like the life! I too am a loner and I text and call friends on the regular and enjoy window gardening, long drives, and TV streaming. While I don't have outdoor grilling space, I have a mini grill for when the occasion arises. While I'm presently enduring a boutique of medical appointments, overall, life's not bad. However it has no room for Busybodies and Leeches, Left or Right.
Correction: A "bout," not a "boutique," of medical appointments. Perhaps I should have typed a shit-load.
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Or perhaps you should kill yourself and stop signing all of your posts with emojis like a 13 year old girl you bootlicking Nazi faggot.
Fuck Off, Troll!
Getting the goat of assholes like you is a perfect reason for anyone to continue living! If only all troubled teens heard this message.
I would do a mooning emoji of a peach directed your way if only the Reason Comments had the technical versatility to allow it. Meanwhile, you'll just have to settle for this:
A Bill Jensen Compilation of Sinners Mooning Him On the Hotline
https://youtu.be/4pSReRlMG2g?si=RXM1elTMDDe_ZvWJ
And yeah:
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Nazi-Propaganda is what that is. Being self-reliant and responsible builds relationships it doesn't destroy them. Being dependent, self-entitled and building [WE] gangs is what makes people lonely because no-one want to deal with them.
There’s nothing that builds relationships like spending time together for the two minutes hate.
Yeah. You really strengthen the social fabric by undermining the ethos that birthed Classical Liberalism and willfully misrepresenting its advocates in favor of, uh, Lebron James-style Classical Liberalism or, uh, Billie Eilish’s Capitalist policies.
Trump rallies in a nutshell. So many romances come out of them.
At least more than 11 people show up.
Brief reminder about that little year-long sustained national movement on the radical Marxist left of which you are a part that resulted in 3 dozen deaths, hundreds of assaults and 3 billion dollars in property damage. Must be that darn Trumpy-poo causing all of you to chimp out like a bunch of sub-average IQ retards with no impulse control. Although to be fair, I'm sure you got an opportunity to suck twice as many black cocks as you otherwise would have that summer.
And this is the thing who calls people Nazi Faggots. Doth protest too much, M'Lady?
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I love the 2 minutes.
In case you haven't noticed, some bitch has been trying to start a Two Minutes Hate on this thread. But this here Emmanuel Goldstein waves his dick at her. Being alone is not bad at all compared against having assholes for company.
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Yet classical liberalism does not deny man’s need for belonging;
Go fuck yourself Jonah. They’re talking about Neoliberalism so you decide to corner a couple of skinny-kid Conservatives and give them a good beatdown in the name of of Classical Liberalism? You’re part of the problem. You and your Billie Eilish, Lebron James, Larry David, Jonah Norberg, “Classical Liberal”-style "Capitalism" really put them in their place. You’re not cute or funny, you’re just a disingenuous asshat.
If capitalism is the cause, explain Kim Jong Il singing, "I'm So Ronery"!
Closet capitalist.
I’m only half joking. The dude is known for enjoying a lot of capitalist products.
You just summarized the leadership of every communist country.
True.
Obviously, North Korean Juche is a road of lubbish and clap.
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Yeah we already got the joke you pathetic fucking Nazi faggot, stop trying to jump in front of a parade. Jump in front a speeding train instead.
You'd be running the train to a death camp or a gulag if you could. In fact, I bet you're so Goddamn ugly, you'd make a freight train to a death camp or a gulag take a dirt road to it's destination.
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"British leftist George Monbiot"
Yep. Exactly the guy I would go to for unbiased opinion on capitalism.
Capitalism is not a system. It's just people being left alone to trade with each other. It's not like Congress one day passed a law saying "we shall be a capitalist system". But the government lovers think it's a system because they cannot conceive of anything existing without government planning.
So does a free economy make people lonely? It's not even a sensible question.
Arguably Capitalism IS a system. What you're referring to are "free markets". It's a bit like the difference between "legalized" and "decriminalized".
As one of Reason's sex-work-is-work darlings said, they have different results.
In my view, "Capitalism" is the "legalization" of free markets. It's where the 'free market' is systemized and a legal framework is created around it... things like laws against fraud, disclosure etc. The fewer the rules in your capitalism, the more closer your system will hew to a "free market". The more regulation you put in place, the more it hews closely to "something else". At some point, it becomes socialism or, in the West's case, a weird kind of soft 'fascism' that melds corporate interests, nationalized the results of production but eschews borders and national identity. And the last part is the "weird" part of the fascist angle, making it a kind of amalgam of economic fascism and social Marxism.
sex-work-is-work darlings?
Queen/King of the little potshots!
“It’s just a blog to read over coffee “, but Mike defends it to the end.
He's still hoping one day ENB the Holocaust victim in pageant makeup will peg him.
Better ENB than you! Whatever your sex or gender, you probably look like a post-Menopause Wall Irma Grese!
Irma Grese–Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irma_Grese
Oh, and...
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I do agree with the sentiment “It’s not even a sensible question.” Neither Capitalism nor Classical Liberalism guarantees happiness (or forbades misery) or even tries to. Pursuit is all you get, the rest is up to you. Anything else starts distinctly and systematically assessing “wants” vs. “needs”. Might as well be asking how many teeth you can pull from a rooster’s mouth.
In the vein of your point however, the notion that there aren’t or can’t be shades of liberalism or capitalism that effectively guarantee widespread misery is patently retarded. There were certainly Germans in the 30s with pockets full of the current Mark-du-jour living out every dream the capital could purchase. You might say they definitively weren’t classical liberals, but then, you’d have to, with relatively equal rigor, defend the idea that Neoliberals are definitively not Classical Liberals either; rather than exploit it.
It's become my opinion that we're heading into a kind of Cyberpunk future. And it's a cyberpunk future that Libertarians of the Acceptable Type seem to be cheering on.
"Hey, look how amazing our tech is! Look at all these cheep, easily affordable gadgets!"
"Yeah, but the garbage is piling up on the side of the road and I'm dodging meth addicts, bullets and discarded needles."
"Quit hitting me with your bummer head trip culture war gripes, man!"
If one understands the origins of Cyberpunk as a literary genre, you see how often it's either depicted or interpreted incorrectly. Sure, all the techy gadgets are cool, you can buy anything you want if you have the money, and LOOK! Everyone's got a side-shave and has Trent Reznor music piped directly into their brains! BADASS!
What's overlooked about the POINT of the Cyberpunk universe is that it's a society that's in decline. Yes, you have all of this amazing, interconnected technology, but the institutions no longer function, the trains don't run on time, crime is rampant, corruption is rampant, private security forces and other institutions have taken over for those that can afford to pay the fees, where the old public institutions have withered on the vine or are simply wholly incompetent and corrupt at the same time. It all looks cinematically cool, but in reality it's not a great place to live.
Relevant.
That's called a free market, which has nothing to do with capitalism, which is a term coined by Marx to describe a system which privileges the accumulation of capital. I'm surprised you never of that considering your 2nd home is Democratic Underground. Even if that were all capitalism was, it's still a system. The courts and police that make it possible to be left alone and conduct business unmolested are not a given. Congratulations, you're even more fucking retarded trying to defend muh freedumb than you are trying to defend your Nazi faggot brigade.
Left alone, you would die in an avalanche of either wine boxes, Hot Pocket boxes, cat shit, or all of the above!
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If ANYTHING in our modern milieu is making us lonely, it's not capitalism, it's technology.
Technology is what allows me to work in City B while my company and team live in City A, 2000 miles away.
Here's a clue; if they have to pay you to make you do a thing, that thing is not a path to happiness.
It's not the job, it's you.
Correct. If it was fun, they wouldn’t pay you.
Hypothetically, or you actually could work remotely? Asking, because you complain a lot about living in Seattle.
I do work remotely. I work for a company on the other side of the country that's currently having a *checks local news for headquarters city* a major, and I mean MAJOR migrant and crime crisis.
Now, anticipating your next question, "Hey man, then you like CHOOSE to live in Seattle!" Well, yes, we all CHOOSE to live where we live. I worked for a company that was HQd here, got bought out, and then they closed the Seattle office and then the management said to me, "Man, you do such a great job for us, we're not going to lay you off like we did everyone else, you can work from home!"
Now, as to the reasons WHY I lived in Seattle in the first place are simple, but come from a time of personal past -- a time that Seattle no longer represents.
Jim Zorn. Steve Largent.
So why not move? Everything you say about Seattle indicates you hate living there.
It’s probably nonya.
As in none ya business.
It feels like he's attempting to rope me into some kind of "Aha!" Gotcha... I don't know where Mike lives, he did say something about running for local dog catcher in the Bay Area I think one time, but I get the weird feeling he doesn't live there any more.
He seems "sensitive" about the fact that I'm pissed off that the marxist retards running my city ran it into the ground. I moved here decades ago because I absolutely fell in love with it. It was a cool, liberal city back in the late 80s and had a LOT going on. It was an explosively creative and dynamic place with beautiful vistas, awesome neighborhoods and had a much more welcoming vibe. I mean, back in the 80s, they actually had an occasional Romney-esque Republican in office.
Someone said something recently that made me smile: Every local politician now wants to save the world, but they can't seem to get the trash picked up.
That's Seattle politics in a nutshell.
Not sensitive, but you remind me of this English guy who I used to work with, always complaining about how America does everything worse than Great Britain. Yet there he is working in our American office.
You live in Seattle but do nothing but talk about how bad it is. You hang out at the Reason website and keep taking little passive-aggressive potshots at your hosts, not ever fully and clearly-stated differences of opinion.
Hey Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq., remember that year you spent trying to recruit anyone who would listen to leave Reason.com and join your self-moderated Quora? Lmfao.
wHyCoMe YoU dIdN'T LiKE ReAsOn? LuB It or LEeB iT!
Hey, Tulpa!
Remember when you used other pseudonyms to pull this shit? How'd that work out for ya?
Like when your family gets together for Thanksgiving at your in-laws are you the guy sitting there making little digs at how the gravy has lumps in it?
You've spent 3 times as many posts in this thread bitching about how Diane Reynolds (Paul.) spends his time than he spent offering a criticism of the city in which he lives, Episiarch/Bo Cara Esq. Maybe instead of being a whiny, obsessive faggot about where other people live and the conditions thereof and go see if ENB's cuck's bull needs you to service him.
Maybe her bull is too exhausted on you.
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I am working on it, but moving out of a house you’ve lived in for 30 years isn’t like going down the street to the other pizza parlor because you like the crust better. there are children to consider, house issues that need fixing before you can put it on the market, the decision as to which city you want to live in, is it near an airport– I travel… a LOT for my work. Should I move somewhere more rural? (thinking “hell yes) Is the internet stable in that place? I have to have rock-solid internet. And trust me, I don’t need access to cool hipster brewpubs and swanky music venues… that’s for the younger version of me that no longer exists.
I’m also considering leaving the country– that’s a whole other set of considerations…
Thank you for a straight answer.
He actually gave you 6 straight answers, despite you being a little yapping bitch barking at his ankles telling him SEATTLE LUB IT LEEB IT TRAITOR! That's 6 more than you were entitled to, you faggot bitch.
Anybody would leave anywhere to be rid of you.
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Is the internet stable in that place?
There's no rock-solid rural internet, but Starlink is the best so far. I'm speaking for rural Idaho and Texas. Frequent power outages compound the issues, so a Generac is needed.
Bonus - Starlink's receiver is heated so excess snow isn't as big a problem. None of the satellite internet providers that I have used are heated and must be dealt with hourly during big storms.
>>Freedom "doesn't make us free, it makes us lonely,"
nuh-uuuh I come here every day and all these people are my best friends ... kidding kidding I have real friends I promise
It's harder to be happy when you have to walk on eggshells because someone will be offended. Even Obama knows that.
Capitalism is a communist coinage to describe the heavily-mixed economies endemic to looter kleptocracies. Only Switzerland is arguably anything like laissez-faire. So the article is reaffirming that religious & racial collectivists and secular looter collectivists alike agree that freedom must be strangled in the crib before it replaces crowded prisons, concentration camps at borders, and sidewalk Hoovervilles. "Both" American parties clearly agree with this if you look at their platforms.
True. It is a slur invented by Marxists. Trying to make the free market a dirty word. Those sneaky econqueers and thier semantic games.
Wow, there is an idea! Maybe you should tell other writers at Reason so that they can spread the word about the benefits of free markets, instead of their progressive claptrap.
The Free market is what this article should be about - NOT just a single economic system of capitalism.
The Free Market is an actual right based on the social right to Freedom of (market) Association which can label government interference as actual intervention.
Can money buy happiness?
No and the question really limits how one views happiness. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is probably the best national mission statement ever.
If money could buy happiness, then life, liberty and property would be sufficient. But that is NOT the same thing at all despite what some propertarians seem to believe.
If liberty was coexistent with pursuit of happiness, then that would please libertarians but wouldn't need three unalienable rights then.
All sorts of possible tripartite mottos could have been chosen - 'life, liberty, and property'; liberté, égalité, fraternité; sex and drugs and rock and roll; peace, order, and good government (how boring is that); Friends, Romans, countrymen; Peace, Land, and Bread; Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Führer!; God King Country; Faith Hope and Charity; Citius, Altius, Fortius; Gold Frankincense and Myrrh; Tom Dick and Harry; Game set and match
As an old knight once said - We chose wisely.
5th Amendment – “No person shall be” … “deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
Funny how whatever you want to call your "pursuit of happiness" didn’t end up in the actual Supreme Law but ‘property’ did.
We've already seen this BS when lefties think their "pursuit of happiness" entitled them to other people's property.
Funny how you propertarians view 'pursuit of happiness' as something ridiculous and not at all unalienable natural rights That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
Because you do not believe in consent of the governed. You do not believe in res publica. You believe in dictatorship of/by/for the propertied.
Funny how the 'consent of the governed' ended up being a Supreme Law over their government instead of just a [WE] mob RULES 'democracy'.
...And what-if the 'consent of the governed' voted to cancel ones unalienable natural right to the pursuit of happiness????
You wouldn't know what protects inalienable rights if it slapped you upside the head.
"The Pursuit of Happiness" is Constitutionally covered under Amendments 9 and 10, and as such, has to be compatible with all other rights.
If you aren't mentally ill - it totally can.
This. Literally all my problems would be solved by money.
Wherein JFree the Marxist cunt who defends Chavista Venezuela and insists it only failed because "muh CIA murdered Hugo" explains why property is bad.
Let me ask you, you bootlicking chicken little Nazi faggot, is your face mask personal property or private property?
Kulaks and Counter-Revolutionaries would send themselves to the firing squad to get away from you.
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As for the whole capitalism and free markets. Capitalism comes from classical era economics where land labor and capital (another tripartite motto I guess) were the factors of production and this -ism was a system that favored capital. That is not remotely the same as free markets and that would be obvious if the other two -isms (landism and laborism) had become a thing. Nevertheless, capitalism always means favoring capital even today. It's why those who favor that will always deliberately conflate capitalism with free markets.
Britannica disagrees with you.
capitalism - Also known as: free enterprise economy, free market economy, private enterprise economy.
https://www.britannica.com/money/topic/capitalism
How things change – especially words like ‘also known as’:
And no - Brittanica does not disagree with me.
The 1911 version of Brittanica (online) – important because it is the last version before WW1 which destroyed/upended all thinking from before. Basically the last of the 'classical' era. There is no section on ‘capitalism’. Only on capital. Which has the classical notion of capital as a form of abstinence – of saving – of consumption restrained – which creates the time-preference that creates interest rate curves and On this ground rests the justification of the claims of capital to its industrial rewards, whether in the form of rent, interest or profits of trade and investment. Now 1911 is post-Marx and post-classical; so ‘rent’ has now become part of capital instead of land. But this quite easily describes the sort of system that would favor capital.
The 1973 version of Brittanica (which I have at home) – was the first serious revision since 1911 – post-colonies, post-Empire, where Britain is no longer center of the world. Capitalism is defined as economic system dominant in the Western world since the breakup of feudalism in which the means of production are privately owned and production is guided and income distributed through the operation of markets. Which is precisely the same definition as in the online version. Not free markets. Markets – all markets – including monopolies, cartels, etc – including a couple dozen references to other drill-downs. Which now become hyperlinks.
Not everyone wants to constantly work and strive for material rewards, and one of the advantages of an open society is that you do not have to choose that.
That is very true. But virtually every workplace is designed by and for Type A's (people who live for their work) not Type B's (people who work to live). Always will be since the type A personality is going to be the type that become managers/entrepreneurs, own more property, etc. But that personality type also hugely resents type B's. Why the fuck do these people take off at 5? They want vacation too? I work plenty of hours. They are lazy no-good etc. So if they can, they will tilt the playing field so that if favors them not Type B's.
Even before the pandemic, surveys in the Western world showed that between 20 percent and 50 percent of workers in recent years had chosen a less demanding job with less pay, reduced their working hours, declined a promotion, or moved to a calmer neighborhood to focus on their family, make everyday life easier, or just unwind with a less stressful life.
Surveys say that that was mostly bullshit before the pandemic. A huge sacrifice precisely because workplaces are designed for Type A's not Type B's. What the Great Resignation has shown is that a much much larger portion of the population is Type B than was known before. Which means they certainly chose to work excess hours in crappy jobs, and long commutes, extra expenses like daycare/lunch, kissing a boss's butt - and now they don't want that. They are happier NOT doing that. Doing that made them UNHAPPY before.
There are virtually no companies that really get that even now. Type A's choose not to understand that.
Type A & B are people who work. You forgot Type C (consisting of 2/3 of the US population) who doesn’t work but lives off of Type A & B. In a Just land that would be a crime no matter how happy the criminals are.
Not surprisingly "surveys say" Type C is the most miserable because they have no feeling of self-importance that comes from *EARNING* (creating/being-productive) in their own-directed criminal "pursuit of happiness". Instead they resort to blaming everyone else for their misery compulsively and consistently.
Type C is why we should at least consider publicly funding all sex changes and gender affirming care.
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The problem is most jobs don't provide that self importance. Most people work for modest wages that end up enriching their bosses and shareholders more than they do. It builds resentment more than anything else.
You see your "boss" drive a BMW, you drive a 30 year old car on its last legs, yet all they do is stand around and talk all day.
You see your company's executives do nothing but lecture how grateful you are for your shitty job and shitty pay while that person kisses shareholders asses. And you see shareholders get rich for doing literally nothing, except literally having had money in the first place to buy stock.
And the rich don't even want workers to have what little they have now. They want them to use mass transit, rent, and eat sustainable food (bugs)
We're headed towards feudalism again. Not by the government (though it plays a role, obviously) but by big business
We’re headed towards feudalism again EXACTLY by the government.
It's called Crony Socialism is what you need to blame.
If it was just 'big business' the socialist building would've solved it centuries ago. But it just keeps getting worse and worse like every other communist or socialist nation on the planet/history. If you think the USA is bad take a look at China's wealth distribution.
Of course 'envy' and 'resentment' has never been a positive job-skill anywhere in history either. But if it's justifiable nothing stops you from taking that risk and being a competitor or working and saving until the risk is minimal JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The problem is most jobs don’t provide that self importance.
NO job does, or SHOULD provide self importance. If you look to a job for your value, you are denying your value.
75% or better of my historical jobs have fulfilled my self-importance needs. Course I purposely decided at a young age not to ‘borrow’ my soul for every shiny thing in sight which I hear is a big problem with most so the employer never had the chance to hang my 'borrowed' soul up by a rope.
I know what you mean. I had a guy on my team who was a master Apple software developer. The only path HR provided for giving him a well-deserved raise was for him to groom him for promotion to an architect position where he would have to attend meetings all day and never get to write code. It was not something he was interested in.
Wherein JFree the bootlicking chicken little Nazi faggot inadvertently reveals that he's a lazy piece of grifter and that's why he's a Chauvista communist.
If you represent Capitalism, you'd turn Adam Smith, Frederick Bastiat, Ludwig Von Mises, Fredrick Hayek, and Milton and Rose Friedman all into Khmer Rouge apologists.
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Freedom "doesn't make us free, it makes us lonely," adds Christian conservative Joel Halldorf. "
WHO?!!
Brings me to my favorite Marx quote [from the Manifesto]: Capitalism has saved us from the idiocy of village life.
The American conservative Patrick Deneen believes liberal capitalism makes us "increasingly separate, autonomous, nonrelational selves, replete with rights and defined by our liberty, but insecure, powerless, afraid, and alone."
If he believes that, he IS NOT a conservative. I don't care what he calls himself, that is NOT a position compatible with being conservative.
That’s exactly what being a conservative meant until the 1970s when it became shorthand for “neoliberals who think the niggers are getting too uppity.” Here's a hint for you: the founders of the United States were radical liberals, not conservatives.
Any name you pick is shorthand for Nihilistic Shitposter.
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People knock capitalism because they mistakenly think it lets billionaires get rich at the expense of everyone else. But billionaires don't get rich unless they give everyone else what they want, at prices they are willing to pay, while not wasting a lot of resources to provide it. The people who get rich at the expense of everyone else work for the government.
Because regulatory capture, market power, and asymmetrical information don’t exist. At least not when your economic education began and ended with the introduction to Economics In One Lesson or half an episode of a Milton Friedman documentary from the 1970s.
Your economics lesson never began. No one would want to be near you long enough to teach it!
Well, enough of that shit! Creations of Capitalism sure can help deal with trolling assholes, at least until the next one comes along.
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Even if some economic situaton guaranteed we have all the goods we want, we still die and suffer and need other people. Author seems to mock the whole communitarian things (“Bowling Alone”) as being impotent to deliver the goods. Maybe. but I bet there are more unhappy wealthy people than there are unhappy simply-living folks. Without God and a reason to live and a family to be part of , it is all worthless. So my complaint is that , to get what the author wants we should concentrate on family and religious freedom. It’s anecdotal but I can say that after living in many places the place I live now is the finest by far. Why? They have kids, they watch safety, they keep their properties up, they know their neighbors. They are quite religious. Black, white, Hispanic all in one neighborhood, young and quite old
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