The Things We Can't Say
As the culture war permeates American life, combatants set their sights on the ways we express ourselves.

An obscure webpage that Stanford University had quietly published seven months earlier made a huge splash in late December.
It was the product of the university's Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative, a "multi-phase, multi-year project to address harmful language in IT at Stanford." The goal was to remove dozens of undesirable terms from university materials. Among the offenders were crazy, for "trivializ[ing] the experiences of people living with mental health conditions"; guys, for "reinforc[ing] male-dominated language"; American, for "insinuating that the US is the most important country in the Americas"; and Karen, for being "used to ridicule or demean a certain group of people based on their behaviors."
The backlash was fierce. Conservative groups such as the Chicago Republican Party and Young America's Foundation called the guide "Orwellian." So did The Stanford Review, the university's independent newspaper. It received (often scathing) coverage in The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Daily Beast, Fox News, and countless other outlets. Fox's Greg Gutfeld called the initiative "language castration," while the Wall Street Journal editorial board lamented that "parodists have it rough these days, since so much of modern life and culture resembles the Babylon Bee." Even Elon Musk got in on the action, tweeting: "@Stanford, what is your explanation for this madness?"
A few weeks after the deluge, Stanford took down the guide. Chief Information Officer Steve Gallagher admitted that it had "missed the intended mark."
The language guide was specific to just one university—one university's I.T. department, no less—but it was part of a bigger trend. Consider the ongoing debates over whether to capitalize black, whether to say birthing people, and "equity language" style guides. Debates over language are even being hashed out in the halls of government: Several cities have prohibited the use of he and she in new laws and policies, Arkansas banned the use of Latinx in state documents, and staffers in the Trump-era Energy Department international climate office were reportedly told not to use the phrase climate change.
Each of these episodes brought heated charges: that English is changing too quickly, that it's evolving inorganically, that linguistic powers-that-be are imposing new ideologies from above. Under "new regimes of indoctrination and propaganda" on the right, "language no longer functions as simply a repository of meaning and facts" but "has turned toxic and takes on a new…significance in its ability to shape values, social relations and actions," the leftist cultural critic Henry A. Giroux claimed in the progressive outlet Truthout. Meanwhile, in Spiked, the philosopher Peter Boghossian argued: "Every word in the woke lexicon conceals activism. Every single one."
In his 1946 essay "Politics and the English Language," George Orwell wrote that "political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness." This is made worse by the fact that "all issues are political issues," with politics itself "a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia." Orwell's essay lamented the ways that political conflict degrades language, twisting it to suit political purposes. And the worse the political environment, he argued, the worse things were for language: "When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer."
These anxieties, as with so many other aspects of the culture war, drive combatants to push for heavy-handed interventions—sometimes involving state pressure—that will ostensibly benefit their sides. That approach misunderstands the way that the English language has always evolved. As in a market, people offer new terms that may be efficient, silly, innovative, out-of-touch, controversial, trendy, or long-lasting.
One fact is unavoidable. Linguistic trends come and go, but robust competition is what ensures that languages retain what's most useful to their speakers.
The American Language
People have feared the degradation of English throughout American history.
John Adams' concern that English was "going to the dogs" was so strong that in 1780 he called for a "public Institution for refining, correcting, improving and ascertaining the English Language." Most European nations, he noted, had already established such institutions. The "American Academy" would be publicly funded and offer a "public Standard" for "the Signification and Pronunciation of" the language. Not only does "the Form of Government" have an influence on language, the future president argued, but language "influences…the Form of Government [and] the Temper, the Sentiments and Manners of the People."
Thomas Jefferson also cared deeply for the English language (and he introduced words to the vocabulary that we still use today). But he differed from Adams on the matter of governing our common tongue. Where Adams wanted to place an authority over American English to ensure controlled growth, Jefferson believed centralized power was stifling its development.
"I am no friend therefore to what is called Purism; but a zealous one to the Neology"—that is, adopting or creating new words—"which has introduced these two words without the authority of any dictionary," Jefferson wrote in 1813. "I consider the one as destroying the nerve & beauty of language, while the other improves both, and adds to [its] copiousness."
The English language's "enlargement must be the consequence to a certain degree" of its spread around the globe, Jefferson continued. "The greater the degree, the more precious will it become." With enough development, the former president wrote, the character of American English "may separate it in name, as well as in power, from the mother tongue."
Governments have long resisted the evolution and diversity that Jefferson praised, especially when it comes to loan words, local languages, and foreign influence. In the Soviet Union, "the writing systems of some languages…were transformed from the Latin to the Cyrillic script in order to alienate the people speaking Turkic languages from Turkey…and bring them closer to Russian," wrote the University College London linguist Alex Krouglov in a 2021 article for Current Issues in Language Planning. Soviet state media "produced numerous politically correct phrases describing political, economic, and cultural events in the country and overseas," Krouglov explained, which "were first coined in Russian and then transferred to other languages of the Soviet Union." Texts "deemed ideologically correct were first translated into Russian, and then from Russian into other languages of the Soviet Union."
Authoritarian governments have outright banned the use and teaching of minority languages. Under Francisco Franco's dictatorship in Spain, regional languages such as Catalan and Basque were outlawed. The current Chinese government has forced video services and other online platforms to eliminate content in the Tibetan and Uyghur languages. Even Mandarin, the majority language, isn't safe: Censors banned the Chinese words for incapable ruler, my emperor, and disagree from the social media site Weibo in 2018.
The linguistic authority that Adams proposed may have been more moderate, but that doesn't mean it would have been benign. Adams hoped to mimic the Académie Française—France's "linguistic secret service," as Vanity Fair's James Reginato has put it, a body charged with preserving standards of French vocabulary and grammar. The Académie is more often the subject of ridicule than it is the purveyor of useful language guidance. It cannot keep up with new language developments, having worked on its latest dictionary since 1986. Its efforts to stamp out English loan words like hashtag, WiFi, and email are like beating back the tides.
'Many of These Bad Words Are Fine'
Adams lost. There is no American Academy. And American English is better for it.
The U.S. has seen some linguistic micromanaging, such as isolated legislative efforts to excise the phrase illegal alien from the law and ban Latinx from schools. There has been macromanaging, including repeated attempts since the 1980s to declare English the official language of the United States. There has been harsh, wholesale suppression, which involved the banning of instruction in Native American languages and Native Hawaiian, jeopardizing those languages' survival.
Broadly speaking, though, American English has been allowed to develop organically. This process has looked more like a market at work than top-down political control.
American English has been free to accept loan words from many foreign tongues. These additions have made the language more adaptable, descriptive, and responsive to its speakers' needs. When colonists first encountered unfamiliar plants and animals, they borrowed Native names. Moccasin, moose, and muskrat came from the Natick language of modern-day New England; hickory and raccoon from the Great Lakes–region Algonquian; and bayou from the southeastern Choctaw. As settlers came to the new country from Germany, the Netherlands, and France, and later from Mexico and Yiddish-speaking enclaves of Eastern Europe, they lent their words to the developing language too.
No less than Walt Whitman admired this broad and tolerant approach to the nation's tongue. As Kenneth Cmiel wrote in The Journal of American History in 1992, "The words of fighters, gamblers, thieves, and prostitutes ought to be collected, he thought, the bad words as well as the good, for 'many of these bad words are fine.'"
An ever-changing language will inevitably leave behind some offensive and vulgar terms as times change. "Many ethnic slurs like 'dago,' used at one point in time to disparage people of Italian and sometimes Spanish descent, and 'kraut,' a derogatory way to refer to Germans and German-Americans, seem to have disappeared from youth consciousness entirely," wrote the University of California San Diego cognitive scientist Benjamin Bergen in 2019.
The reverse is also true: Some offensive words eventually become kosher. In 1972, piss and shit were among the comedian George Carlin's "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television." They're commonplace now. "Virtually everything about profanity has changed since the 1970s," wrote Bergen. "At least four of those previously forbidden words have become pervasive in media, in television, social media, online gaming, newspapers and books." The LGBT community has reappropriated such once-offensive terms as gay and queer.
Then as now, new influences weren't always welcome. People caught in the clashes between tradition and change have sometimes armed themselves with government power. But our battles over language have almost always been resolved by argument and cultural evolution, not by top-down rules.
A New Front
On the left today, language warriors push what the writer Harry Cheadle has called "Style Guide Liberalism: a fixation on terms and language that is well-intentioned but inevitably creates a murky layer of jargon between speaker and listener, writer and reader." This "inevitably results in an in-group and out-group," Cheadle writes. It's not just that most Americans don't use the new favored terms—large shares don't even know them. One such term is BIPOC, or "Black, Indigenous, and People of Color," unknown to 63 percent of Americans. Per a 2020 Pew Research Center poll, less than a quarter of Hispanic adults had heard of the term Latinx.
One can reasonably wonder who Style Guide Liberalism is really serving. Major universities and nonprofits certainly think it serves someone. The Sierra Club, the American Cancer Society, the University of Washington, and the American Medical Association have all adopted so-called equity language guides. They draw from just a few resources published by progressive activist organizations, and though those guides mention how language evolves, they don't represent organic evolution. They have much more in common with Orwell's assessment that political writing must resort to euphemism.
There is evidence that this approach doesn't yield the intended results. The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression has compiled several studies that "reveal unintended consequences of efforts to reduce linguistic harm." In a January paper, the psychologist April Bleske-Rechek and her colleagues "found that including one sentence warning students they might encounter harmful language caused them to perceive ambiguous phrases as harmful." In other words, "The prime increased the harm it aimed to prevent." A 2011 study found that "Asian-American students who perceived ambiguous comments as evidence of racism experienced higher anxiety than those who did not perceive racism in the same situations."
Pressure movements spearheaded by conservatives have convinced some universities to reconsider or repeal their language guidance and speech codes. Unfortunately, this impulse has also led to some overcorrection: The Texas Public Policy Foundation warned parents in 2021 to "stay on the lookout for some of [critical race theory's] less 'buzzworthy' names and language," offering a list that included identity, colonialism, and ally. More broadly, anti–critical race theory legislative efforts have aimed to limit speech on "divisive concepts" in public schools and other government settings. And though some Democrats have joined them, it's largely Republicans who are leading the charge to ban the term Latinx in government settings.
The right's approach raises the same question as the left's: Who is this for? Though polls show very few Hispanics using the term Latinx, they also find that few are bothered by it. Just 12 percent of respondents to the 2020 Pew poll said they disagreed with or disliked the term. It might not be good for the right itself, either. Culture-war skirmishes turn off voters who would prefer to see a more policy-driven conservative platform. Though they're popular among conservative elites, they're out of touch with working-class priorities.
Getting Better All the Time
Politics and language won't be separated anytime soon. Does that mean we're doomed to endure battles over acceptable vocabulary year after year, decade after decade, with the threat of government action lingering?
Perhaps. A 2021 Pew survey found that 53 percent of American adults felt that "people saying offensive things to others" is a major problem. But there's also evidence that Americans are weary of the language wars. Sixty percent of respondents in a 2019 Pew survey said "too many people are easily offended over the language others use." Though 79 percent of respondents in a 2017 Cato Institute survey said hate speech was morally unacceptable, a far smaller share—40 percent—said the government should prevent it.
People seem to have faith in the market to sort the language out. A 2022 New York Times survey revealed two interesting trends: There are plenty of new, politically correct terms that Americans don't seem particularly interested in adopting, and at the same time Americans have been turning away from some words that have grown less socially acceptable over time. A scarce 10 percent of respondents said they'd use the word chestfeeding (embraced by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Health Service). Global South hasn't caught on (just 15 percent of respondents use it), but Third World still appeals to a strong 73 percent, even though the Second World disappeared three decades ago. And while 84 percent say they use the contentious phrase master bedroom, just 28 percent say spaz. Gypsy hasn't fully gone the way of other terms deemed ethnic slurs—English law still uses it—but more than half of the survey respondents said they wouldn't say it.
The market doesn't always work quickly or seamlessly. Anxious and impatient language warriors have long been willing to use heavy-handed tactics, at times even trying to sic the government on their opponents. But the historical pattern is clear. Cultural pressure and exchange will inevitably change languages. Given the opportunity, they'll grow to be what their speakers need.
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In a January paper, the psychologist April Bleske-Rechek and her colleagues "found that including one sentence warning students they might encounter harmful language caused them to perceive ambiguous phrases as harmful."
Where did we go wrong?
I know:
1) Female psychologist with a hyphenated name studying "harmful language"
2) "Harmful language" is a thing.
3) Children more triggered by a trigger warning.
And Reason criticizes conservatives for pushing back against this nonsense.
How do you figure 1 is a problem? Seems like the study was showing that "trigger warnings" and such are dumb and counterproductive.
White women with hyphenated names are almost always the problem. Add in psychologist and we have the destruction of western civilization.
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“robust competition is what ensures that languages retain what's most useful to their speakers.“
Competition only guarantees that the most powerful win, not that truth does. In civilization we rely on laws to ensure that the corrupt and powerful don’t “win”.
WHO CONTROLS THE PAST
CONTROLS THE FUTURE
WHO CONTROLS THE PRESENT
CONTROLS THE PAST”
Orwell, 1984
A well managed lie effectively controls the past regardless of how its applied. It changes what people perceive as facts, reality.
Humans, and every other successful living organism make good future decisions based on their perception of facts, reality. Emotions require no facts.
Between lies and emotion, propaganda coerces people to make decisions in the liars, propagandists, interests, giving them control over the future.
Inevitability this control of the future becomes control over the present. It’s simply the nature of time.
Observe how those who control the present, lie and manipulate laws to ensure that the truth that exposes them is criminalized and doesn’t gain traction with successful organisms needing to recognize it, the rest of us. They are controlling the past.
Shadow governments, deep state organizations, the CIA, bigots, basically all secrets depend on these lies.
Unless you do everything you can to successfully discern truth from lies using correctly applied logic and science you will fall victim to this cycle.
Criminalize lying.
In point of fact, Reason calls MYSTICAL conservatives on the carpet for trying to outdo mohammedans in their pet competencies of bullying girls, burning books and banning all things pleasurable. Since this topic is taboo, mystics have nothing left to whine to us about but "woke woke woke" and "we wuz robbed" when women voters kick sand in their ruddy faces. Poor helpless baybeez.
Kirkland sock?
Nope, it’s an old hippie named Hank Phillips that used to be part of the Libertarian Party before his mind went to pudding.
https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/who-is-hank-phillips/
I don't know where to sneak this in so here goes...
What about "niggard" and "niggardly"? Anyone recall the years-gone-by ruckus over "niggardly"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_niggardly
IMHO, we should all be more "liberal" in our permissions given to others to speak as they please! Don't be so "niggardly" in your speech-permissions-granting!
“….. and banning all things pleasurable….”
Yes, hank, your screeds bring to mind a person incapable of enjoying anything.
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You triggered me with your mention of trigger warnings. Nothing is more triggering.
It's "tregro", please.
"Trigfican Americans"
I'm confused as to what any of this article had to do with open borders and mass immigration of illiterate peasants to the USA. Was Fiona talking in some sort of code about it?
She must have been hacked.
Fiona proving she's not just a leftist moron when it comes to immigration but rather she's a leftist imbecile on a variety of topics.
She never points to the pressure groups from the left forcing ideological changes on language like latinx, but focuses on removing such so she can "both sides" an issue that us 90% on her allies.
Did you bother to read the article? She in fact pointed to several of those leftist pressure groups. And did so while decrying their attempts as both wrong-headed and ineffective.
I see well-intentioned and well-meaning. No, her framing is definitely that the left is right to force language to their aid and the right is wrong to object.
I thought it strange that she went on a broad historical and global tangent when she could have simply focused on how individual terms are being inorganically changed. An easy one would be the redefinition of "racism" as being power plus prejudice. She touches on gay and climate change without addressing how those terms have changed as the public was forced to adopt the new pc terms and they gained the negative connotation of the older terms.
No, her framing is definitely that the left is right to force language to their aid and the right is wrong to object.
That seems to be the MO of a lot of the center-right these days, especially the Kemp Republicans that influenced the right to back off from the culture war to begin with in the 1990s, before the populist upsurge that began in the wake of the 2006 mid-term blowout and then TARP finally resulted in the social conservatives taking control of the GOP in 2016. Read some of these guys like the Dispatch crowd, and their expectations for how the left should act are hilariously low, similar to how the parents in "Juno" acted when they found out their daughter had gotten knocked up--"welp, I don't expect the left to conform to any sort of behavioral standard, but if the right acts in the same manner in order to advance its own political agenda, I'm going to cry and complain that we can't do that."
The left has been so successful with controlling the framing of language that most people don’t even realize it happened.
That's what happens when you constantly give them the benefit of the doubt.
The left has been so successful with controlling the framing of language that most people don’t even realize it
happened‘s incessant.Mrs. Casual routinely notes and/or points this out. Her brother and his husband routinely live down to the expectations.
"most people don’t even realize it happened."
This happened for me a little while ago. All of a sudden I started seeing the word black being capitalized when referring to the race (Black), but never when referring to white as a race. When did that even happen?
I do that because it makes sense. "White" does not refer to any particular people. There is no Whiteland. There is no Whitish language. There is no White Culture. It's just a very mutable term of racism. On the other hand, Blacks in America are a real subculture, created and perpetuated by race-based slavery and then racial segregation. "Black" in our country refers to a specific people, the descendants of African slaves, who have a distinct history and culture due to that separation. They are a genuine sub-nationality. Their capital letter is appropriate.
By your own precepts, there is no Blackland (Do they speak English in Blackland?). There is no “Nigerian” language, does that mean there are no Nigerian people? Dumb fuck.
If Black gets capitalized, White gets capitalized the way Jew (OMG the Jewish Language isn't called 'Jewish' either), Hispanic, Quaker, and Hoosier get capitalized. The distinct use of “Black and white” is overt and specifically intended as a slight. To wit, go fuck yourself.
"Black" is very much an ethnicity. They're mixed race people who originated in the American South and are descended from various African and European nationalities with a little bit of Native American thrown in. Their slave ancestry and long periods of endogamy created a genetically and culturally unique group. Very much like the Canadian Metis, Amish and Ashkenazi Jews.
But the term "black" is also used to denote people with African heritage in general who don't share any cultural ties or heritage with American Blacks. Maybe American Blacks should create some sort of name to denote their ethnicity rather than appearance.
Afro-American used to serve that purpose. Don't know why it fell into disuse.
Did you? She points to the attempts to remove such inorganic intrusions as equivalent to imposing them in the first place. Removing latinx, which most Latin people agree with, is repeatedly the wrong but not imposing it to begin with.
Her pointing out some of the groups and their impositions from the left while seeing others as perfectly acceptable is just a version of "true communism has never been tried".
Removing latinx, which most Latin people agree with, is repeatedly the wrong but not imposing it to begin with.
Again, to say nothing of the larger implications and idiocy. That is, Arkansas banning Latinx in state documents doesn’t ban anyone from saying Latinx nor even necessarily removes it from the record. It’s ambiguous and *shouldn’t* be written into the law.
Whereas, on the pro-Latinx side, Canada was and is purging academics from their ranks for refusing to drop gendered pronouns, federal-level US Congress-critters call for *some* gendered language to be dropped in *all* state-communications even retroactively (while keeping the word ‘connoisseur’ in their bios), and using the language to void women’s agency and hand facilities, resources, and accolades auspiciously taken from others and granted nominally on their gender to someone else.
Even bomb-throwing anarchists of the "attentat nihiliste" era knew how to spit on monarchic mercantilism and Fabian socialism alike in the same foul breath. Still, this is a welcome step up from constant carping about failure to import hostile anarchists without inspection. Another will doubtless occur once Fiona gets past the title and into the actual content of HL Mencken's masterly examination of the American language in most of its spicy complexity. This is WAY more than anyone can expect of the New Yawk Times et ilkii.
"and Fabian socialism alike"
Careful, Buttplug is a big fan of the Fabians. He'll fight you Hank.
Round up the usual victims.
"Under "new regimes of indoctrination and propaganda" on the right,"
I stopped reading at that point. What was the use, I knew it was going to be irredeemably stupid.
"Arkansas banned the use of Latinx in state documents..."
Good for Arkansas! "Latinx" is not a word, it is a DEI invention whose purpose is to round up a portion of the aggrieved for political purposes.
Don't let others put words in your mouth, or take words from your mouth.
Don’t let others put words in your mouth, or take words from your mouth.
Yeah. Pretty sure the idea that the LGBT (Q is notably absent) have reappropriated the words 'gay' and 'queer' to mean anything other than 'flippant', 'obtuse', 'boisterous', 'superfluous', 'self-obsessed', 'self-aggrandizing', or 'incessantly fucking around in the aforementioned manner to the point of one's own detriment' is itself an appropriation or stolen base.
I still don't get why lesbian and gay are two different things in the LGBTQ acronym. Seems redundant.
It’s a very important distinction when doing porn searches.
Very good point.
L, G, B, T, Q, etc., are all very distinct things. That's why the "LGBTQASDF¢Ó©WTF" acronym is deliberately misleading and manipulative.
It does seem like "gay" covers both. But gay men and lesbians have very little in common, so I can see why they did it.
Oil and water.
Homosexual men and women have NOTHING in common with transsexuals. Believing that one's body must be in accord with one's sexual orientation is the opposite of what gay men and lesbians advocate.
It's also 'cultural colonialism', to use a woke phrase against them, in that it demands people from a very different linguistic heritage to conform to 'our' new tradition, with no regard to their own.
Why doesn't anybody want to "pass" anymore? Is there a certain unclean group in left-wing America?
This is probably the first time in history that the younger generation has tried to change the language to the dismay of the older generation. I mean, people spoke exactly the same until the leftists took over the public school system and forced younger people to talk differently. Language was always static until those damned modern leftists got their dirty paws on our youth.
"It's totally normal
guys, definitely boaf sides, no need to pay any attention. I'm totally centrist! See how I always defend one side? Totally centrist."I'm not a fucking centrist. That implies that the left/right spectrum has actual meaning. If it did then supporting abortions up to crowning and anti-aircraft missiles for everyone would be a moderate position. Stop your binary thinking and look up the Nolan Chart.
Finally he admits to being a neocon who now defends the left without thought.
How many stupid pills did you take this morning?
We know it makes you so angry being called out for your constant leftist simping. Maybe read, sorry I mean listen, to a book worthwhile.
20?
What is your actual IQ.
MAN. Easiest double jeopardy question ever.
No, no. It's 140. He took a quiz.
Methinks Mohammed doth protest too much...
He’s less authoritarian than you are, unsurprisingly.
Too dumb to realize the difference between young people using slang to sound “hip” and people in power coercing people to change the meanings of words for political purposes.
People in power have never done that in the history of the world. This is the very first time. Because leftists!
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This is probably the first time in history that the younger generation has tried to change the language to the dismay of the older generation.
That's right Sarcasmic, slang and an evolving language are exactly the same thing as creating taboo words and Newspeak.
That internet-test-proven 140 IQ is no joke.
You know that they invented the word "taboo" in the last fifty years to describe what the leftists are teaching the kids? The entire concept didn't even exist. It's brand spanking new.
Lolwut.
The English term taboo comes from tapu in Oceanic languages, particularly Polynesian languages, with such meanings as "prohibited" or "forbidden". That root tapu is reflected, among others, by Tongan or Māori tapu, and by Hawaiian kapu. Its English use dates to 1777 when the British explorer James Cook visited Tonga, and referred to the Tongans' use of the term taboo for "any thing that is forbidden to be eaten, or made use of".
It was sarcasm.
I know I know. Every stupid thing you say is just sarcasm. Mike adopted that habit yesterday.
sarcasm
sär′kăz″əm
noun
A cutting, often ironic remark intended to express contempt or ridicule.
A form of wit characterized by the use of such remarks.
I dont see saying stupid and completely wrong things in that definition. Didn't see any wit in your response. There was no irony.
When people say sarcasm is the lowest form of humor it’s because they’re used to Sarc’s version of it.
"I was being retarded on purpose, and you fell for it"
I expected nothing less.
Lame.
Ironic, coming from someone whose handle is “sarcasmic”, who one would think might known what actual sarcasm is.
Taboo is also a pretty boring board game, but then again I mainly only like board games that use dice.
Aggravation is fun. I'm more of a cribbage guy myself.
It's refreshing to see Sarcasmic back in action. Supposing the LP is insignificantly nonexistent, our spoiler votes wasted, ineffectual and futile for purposes of repealing grotesque laws "both" parties foist on the booboisie. Then why izzit that so many snake-juggling, girl-bullying mystical looter prohibitionists are sent HERE to simulate an ordure-flinging Trumpanzee shriek-o-rama? Is all this just to alienate the casual outside voter?
Games that don't use dice are unrealistic because they reject the role of random events and luck in real life.
Uh oh. Someone criticized the insanity of the left. Luckily the one true libertarian is here to stop the criticism.
I actually enjoyed this article. I have one quibble:
"The U.S. has seen some linguistic micromanaging, such as isolated legislative efforts to excise the phrase illegal alien from the law and ban Latinx from schools."
This is where Reason often falls down. These government arguments aren't examples of micromanaging language. They are but a single episode in the greater macromanagement of our language that is ever perpetrated by government.
For the umpteenth time, Schools are State Institutions. Teachers are Agents of the State. If a set of legislators are telling these agents of the state that they are not allowed to push their woke dogma on children, then where is the micro-management of language? Certainly, the legislator is micromanaging the language of a State Agent (La Professora de LatinX)- but so too was the State Agent micromanaging the language of their students.
I certainly wish that Leftists didn't spend the last 30 years pushing their religion on the kids we've imprisoned in their schools. But they have. And recognizing that as the root cause of any pushback is the first step in understanding its solution (the rapid, systematic deconstruction of the Uber State).
Horace Mann and Thomas Dewey were anything but "conservative" for their times; US public education has been a progressive tool since its conception. Indoctrinating children to be obedient servants of The State has always been the purpose.
Then, as now, conservatives shouted, "Don't do it! It's a mistake!" But they had had no viable Plan B to sell to a voting public that saw public education in Europe as an unqualified good.
Conservatives lost this battle far more than 30 years ago.
Yes. They lost it May 8th or 9th, 1945, depending on whether you count the Democratic or Soviet version as to which was the "real" Christian National Socialist surrender ceremony.
The adoption of Prussian education was long before WW2 Hank.
Tango fixes the great inflect.
" They are but a single episode in the greater macromanagement of our language that is ever perpetrated by government."
But Latinx is not 'our' language. It's derived from Spanish, their language. Spanish speakers wanting to avoid unnecessary sexualizing of their writing elegantly resort to the 'arroba' - the 'at sign.' Latin@ refers to all Latins, regardless of sex.
“Latinx” is woke white woman language. It is not derived from Spanish.
"“Latinx” is woke white woman language. "
So what? Woke white women are entitled to use and change the language as they please. Just like everyone else.
"It is not derived from Spanish."
But it is. In English we say 'Look out, there's a Latin coming!' The person could be of either sex. The sexuality of the person only becomes germane in Spanish and other languages that take gender into account. Gender has been a part of English, but it seems to be fading out. Chairperson replacing chairman, for example.
Wait, did you really just go from "it's not white people's language" to "so what if white people want to change the language?"
There's nothing wrong with changing your language. There's nothing wrong with changing another language. Get a grip.
I said nothing about the right or wrong of changing language. I pointed out that you immediately switched positions when challenged showing the inconsistency and unreliability of your position.
He's indulging in his motte-and-bailey tactics now that it's clear he can't defend his original position.
Latinx is not something to address issues in English.
'I'm a Latin.'
The speaker is using perfectly good English and could be either male or female. I'm not sure what 'inconsistency' you claim to have discovered, or what it has to the point I was making.
Latinx addresses issues in the Spanish language where the sex of the speaker is necessarily identified.
This is why I rarely want to engage with you. I honestly can never tell if your obtuseness is legitimate or purposeful. You either aren’t remotely intelligent enough to engage in these discussions or you are purposefully disingenuous and lying.
My point couldn’t be any more clear. You claimed white people weren’t doing something. When challenged on that you immediately then argued that it’s no big deal that white people were doing what you just claimed they weren’t doing.
I pointed out your complete lack of foundation or genuine position, which goes to your reliability and credibility in having a discussion.
I'm starting to wonder if the stupidest poster should be changed from shrike to mtrueman.
" I honestly can never tell if your obtuseness is legitimate or purposeful. You either aren’t remotely intelligent enough to engage in these discussions or you are purposefully disingenuous and lying."
Thanks for that. It's the most complimentary thing written about my writing here in a while. My advice for you and those confused, re-read and meditate when you're in a better mood. I think participation in culture war battles clouds the thinking. I guess that's intentional.
So, you admit you purposefully post disingenuous comments and pure nonsense. At least you made it clear you're not to be taken seriously.
"So, you admit you purposefully post disingenuous comments and pure nonsense. "
All my comments are posted purposefully. Including my disingenuous and nonsensical ones, I'm proud to say.
"You claimed white people weren’t doing something."
There's a lot of things white people weren't doing. Can you be a little more specific?
"I pointed out your complete lack of foundation or genuine position,"
You're looking for a foundation for a claim that white people weren't doing something? Good luck, mate.
Again, thanks for establishing that your a nonsensical moron who doesn't engage in genuine discussion and should therefore be ignored.
Again, thanks for establishing that your a nonsensical moron who doesn’t engage in genuine discussion and should therefore be ignored.
He's not a moron, this type of passive-aggressive engagement is simply what marxists do when they know they've lost the argument.
"Again, thanks for establishing that your a nonsensical moron who doesn’t engage in genuine discussion and should therefore be ignored."
This has never been a genuine discussion. You're the straight man, second banana or stooge. The one who sets up the talent to deliver the best lines. I suppose it could be a genuine discussion, but then you'd have to have something interesting to say. But you don't. Not today, anyway.
Latinx was initiated to refer to gay hispanics.
No no, that's "Latwinks".
White people trying to manipulate or force another culture to change their language to something the white people want is white supremacy. If you do it through the institutions, it's systemic racism.
So yeah there can be something wrong with changing another language.
"So yeah there can be something wrong with changing another language."
You get kwaanza and ebonics. America's blacks have been successful at resisting the attempts of white supremacists to control their language. Blacks have increasingly asserted their influence over the American English spoken by whites. English visitors to George Washington even would comment that his accent was the same as his slaves'.
America’s blacks have been successful at resisting the attempts of white supremacists to control their language.
Yeah, nothing is more successful than losing your original tongue from west Africa and getting it replaced with those of the colonizers! Shove off.
In English nobody says ‘Look out, there’s a Latin coming!’
No, we say, "Look out! There's tens of millions of Latins coming!"
The neutral term is "Hispanic", dip.
Herpanic. Even neutraler.
“Latinx” is woke white woman language. It is not derived from Spanish.
And even woke white women of a certain age, class, and mentality no less. An older woman of a more worldly/composed/elegant/intelligent composure would recognize that “(the) Latin people” achieves the same effect without making her sound like a Grunge Era bridge troll (or a simp to one).
Spanish speakers almost universally reject that entire nonsense.
Speakers, perhaps, but many writing Spanish resort to the 'arroba' Latin@, to refer to Latins of both sexes.
but many writing Spanish
This is an appeal to popularity with no basis in fact.
Speaking and writing are not the same. That's a fact.
He never claimed otherwise. Well done on another motte and bailey straw man.
He failed to distinguish between speaking and writing. The use of the arroba is something you find in writing and not speaking.
Again, you can't remotely stay on topic. You just post nonsensical responses.
No, I pointed out the pointless, unsupported generalization you made.
It's a Reason comment board. You shouldn't set your expectations too high. I get the spelling right. That should count for something.
Thanks for conceding the point with your deflections.
Thanks for your words of support. You also are too be commended for your spelling. Pity the tedious dross you lard your comments with.
@mtrueman
Take the L, you failed to provide a meaningful counter-argument.
Spanish speakers wanting to avoid unnecessary sexualizing of their writing
Uh, the "unnecessary sexualizing" is an inherent part of the language. No amount of post hoc rationalizing by academics that it shouldn't be that way matters here.
elegantly resort to the ‘arroba’ – the ‘at sign.’
If you have to "resort" to using an old unit of measure to push that linguistic square peg into your round hole of critical theory, that's pretty elegant proof that it's simply an esoteric neurosis of mentally ill academics.
" the “unnecessary sexualizing” is an inherent part of the language."
There's nothing inherent in language. They are constantly changing, and not in ways we necessarily approve of. Hence the emotional reaction to this Latinx phenomenon.
The arroba is elegant because in one symbol it combines both the o and the a. Look carefully: @. You see there's a little a inside the o. Something for everyone, boys and girls, alike,
Spanish language is fundamentally intertwined with masculine and feminine. To claim otherwise is exceptionally ignorant.
And using an @ to try and eliminate the masculine and feminine from the language is so post-hoc comical, I'm amazed it's even an argument.
"Spanish language is fundamentally intertwined with masculine and feminine. To claim otherwise is exceptionally ignorant. "
It's ignorant about Spanish language. I wouldn't say that's exceptional. It seems the norm on this board.
" I’m amazed it’s even an argument."
It's not unusual to see. After a while the amazement wears off.
It’s ignorant about Spanish language. I wouldn’t say that’s exceptional. It seems the norm on this board.
Thanks for conceding that the efforts to normalize "Latinx" is not an inherent part of the Spanish language, or any other Romance language, for that matter.
It’s not unusual to see. After a while the amazement wears off.
True, academics acting like blinkered retards is to be expected.
"It’s ignorant about Spanish language. I wouldn’t say that’s exceptional. It seems the norm on this board."
I don't even know what this statement is trying to say. Want to rephrase?
"It’s not unusual to see. After a while the amazement wears off."
Again, I have no idea what this means. How about a rephrase for this as well?
Reminder: Mtrueman is on record admitting he spouts nonsense as an end to itself.
Really? That would completely explain the confusion I have with his postings.
He's trying (horribly I might add) to say that the Spanish Language isn't fundamentally gendered and that all of us are the ignorant ones.
"I don’t even know what this statement is trying to say. Want to rephrase? "
There's nothing exceptional in commenters here being ignorant about Spanish or any other topic.
"I have no idea what this means."
It means the novelty of seeing the arroba used in place of a and o wears off after repeated viewings. Your emotions are running high on the matter because it's something new to you.
Imagine saying others are ignorant when you don't understand that every modern Romance language is inherently gendered, or that even with Latin and some of the Romance languages having a neuter gender, they still have the other two. None of which uses "x" as the neuter.
"Romance language is inherently gendered"
It's not inherent. You don't understand the word. Olde English was gendered. The feature was dropped hundreds of years ago. Fragments remain, like gendered pronouns, but as evident from the discussion today, these may also be on their way out. I understand we have a deep emotional attachment to our language, but change happens. Get over it.
He just spouts nonsense.
It’s not inherent.
Yeah, it has been ever since the Romans.
There’s nothing inherent in language. They are constantly changing, and not in ways we necessarily approve of. Hence the emotional reaction to this Latinx phenomenon.
Again, this motte and bailey argument doesn't actually bolster your claim, considering this has been an inherent part of Latinized languages for millennia. The contention that this is just a "natural" evolution of the language is self-justifying circular reasoning to meet the pretenses of rad-left marxist academics.
The arroba is elegant
There's nothing "elegant" about using arroba. It's simply a ham-fisted effort by academics to politicize language to suit their own ideological agenda.
“There’s nothing “elegant” about using arroba.”
I strongly disagree. You see, the whole kerfuffle comes down to using a, which will please the ladies but infuriate the men, or using the o which will have the opposite effect. Look closely at the arroba. It ingeniously combines the a and the o into one symbol, giving something for everyone. Latinx on the other hand, doesn’t seem to please anyone, and it’s a much overworked letter in any case.
You don't seem to understand the meaning of 'inherent.' My advice is to consult a dictionary.
I strongly disagree. You see, the whole kerfuffle comes down to using a, which will please the ladies but infuriate the men, or using the o which will have the opposite effect. Look closely at the arroba. It ingeniously combines the a and the o into one symbol, giving something for everyone.
The pretense that the language should "give something for everyone" is little more than a critical theory shibboleth with no basis in actual linguistic practice.
The reason it's not elegant is it's a ham-fisted attempt to completely modify an entire language to correct a perceived wrong that only exists in a grievance studies academic sense. Modifying entire languages to meet the emotional demands of a small group of people for "politically correct" reasons is fundamentally anti-intellectual.
Take THAT Anthony Comstock, Charleton Heston and Mary Tyler Moore!
Those three promoted a way of life, not altering a language, you doofus. They did nothing wrong with the English or Spanish language, or any language for that matter.
Could you be any more deranged?
" Modifying entire languages to meet the emotional demands of a small group of people for “politically correct” reasons is fundamentally anti-intellectual."
Overly sensitive, perhaps, but anti-intellectual? I don't see it. Languages are being modified all the time, always have been, often to meet the emotional demands of the speakers. Look up 'upspeak' - changing otherwise declarative sentences into questions by raising the final intonation, of 'vocal fry' - using the glottis to make a creaky sound. Such innovations and others often serve an emotional purpose. I understand you may not approve of changes in languages. Often the case with prescriptivists.
You really should take linguistics classes if you’re going to talk about how language evolves. I suggest John McWhorter's Master Class. But you’re again just engaging in a motte and bailey argument.
Yes, language evolves over time do to cultural and societal influences. This is different than purposeful forced changed to already established language to meet a desired political goal. Why you can’t see the difference between the two, I don’t know. But there is a massive difference between how Bs become Vs over time and use, and purposefully calling something a cat that isn’t a cat because you want to change the meaning of the word.
Oh, and using “upspeak” as an example is poor. We are not talking about creating new words to define new situations, behaviors, or actions, we are discussing purposefully modifying already established words to recreate their meaning and use.
Moreover, you’re talking about including a symbol in place of a letter, which is absolutely bizarre and pseudo-intellectual.
I suggest you calm down your emotions on your new favorite linguistic device and just accept reality.
Why you can’t see the difference between the two
He can see the difference, he's just being dishonest, as all marxists are when the initial basis of their argument melts.
"Yes, language evolves over time do to cultural and societal influences. "
I prefer 'changes' to evolves, which is a little too prejudicial to my mind.
" But there is a massive difference between how Bs become Vs over time and use, and purposefully calling something a cat that isn’t a cat because you want to change the meaning of the word. "
Sure, but so what? Both are examples of language change. You think you're the first person to object to people purposefully trying to change how language is used to fit how they think the world should be? I assure you you're not. Any change will always meet with some resistance. People like you have been around since language arrived on the scene.
"we are discussing purposefully modifying already established words to recreate their meaning and use."
On the macroscopic scale, we might be seeing the further 'degendering' of language. It happened to a great extent to olde English, which used to be gendered like Spanish. We dropped that some time ago. We may be dropping some of the remnants of gender that remain in the pronouns, he and she. Time will tell. One thing you can be certain of, the English of a hundred years ago won't be what you're used to.
Why does gendered language bother you so much?
"Why does gendered language bother you so much?"
It doesn't bother me that much, but all things being equal, I prefer genderless languages. I like Chinese. No gender, no tense, no number, no person, and none of the memorizing the exceptions that take a good part of language learning.
So why does gender bother you?
"So why does gender bother you?"
It doesn't really bother me, but all things being equal, I prefer sex to gender. Next question...?
Doesn't answer why the concept of gender scares you. Please explain?
" Please explain?"
Have you considered taking up a hobby? I always recommend bird watching to those with too much time on their hands.
I see you keep avoiding the question. Is it just too emotional for you to be able to explain your fear of gender concepts?
Next question...?
@mtrueman
Answer his current one first. You seem incapable of accepting gendered language, something that's based on a biological reality.
""Gallup found that only 4% of Hispanic and Latino Americans prefer the term Latinx, a gender neutral signifier that has gained popularity in some circles in recent years.""
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/us/latinx-gallup-poll-preference-trnd/index.html
How do you pronounce that?
“Latinat"?
Spanish is *inherently* a gendered language, amigo.
I have a friend who says "Latinx" in his speech. I refuse to. But we both agree that it's NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S BUSINESS!
The problem with "Latinx" in schools and universities is because those ARE government funded institutions. Government should not be mandating language.
Get new friends.
The only people who use "Latinx" unironically are rad-left activists and their cultural parrots in Hollywood and digital media. The Hispanics that use it are all thoroughly marinated in white upper-middle class and elite cultural institutions, and are trying to fit in with that crowd by using it as a shibboleth.
I guarantee any Hispanic college students that use it in class cut that shit out when they go home to visit abuela, unless they want to get domed by la chancla.
I an into one using "Latinx" at an engineering society conference a couple of months ago. I kindly interrupted him to remind him (an executive type) that "Latinx" isn't a word and "Latino/Latina" is the proper usage. I was subsequently backed up by about 90-95% of my engineering colleagues (mostly white and male).
We kind of had a blast ripping apart some of the woke crap such as the push for electric vehicles.
Oh wow! Do you have a black friend too?
Fucking douchebag.
Prescriptivism is not nearly as bad when it is being used by conservatives to resist changes to language as it is when lefty shits try to redefine words forcibly to fit their bullshit agenda.
Descriptivists should shun both.
"Prescriptivism is not nearly as bad when it is being used by conservatives to resist changes to language..."
I wanna see an example.
Latinx
I wanna see an example.
Of the notion that being conservative, by definition (conserving the status quo), implies resistance to change? Is that really necessary?
In general, people who resist change are "conservatives". Note my lack of mention of Republican or Right-wing or other such terminology. It is a normal feature of conservativism to be prescriptivist, and as such, is annoying but generally harmless. As history generally trends toward change.
Perhaps you misunderstood my actual point.
Anyone can read the 1856 Dem platform and observe that conservative means threatening civil war if anyone dares try to enforce the individual rights of slaves. Today it means threatening civil war if anyone dares try to enforce the individual rights of women. That meaning (plus superstitious prohibitionism) is spelled out in the republican platform that takes literally hours to read. That's descriptive linguistics in action over a span of 167 years.
ChatGPT version 0.00001 up here.
More like ChatDMT.
"...Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative..."
Fuck you.
Words and ideas are dangerous, don’t you know.
""Style Guide Liberalism: a fixation on terms and language that is well-intentioned but . . . "
Just for the record, these attacks on individual expression are NOT well intentioned.
They are specifically designed to eliminate the ability to oppose the statists, because you can't even express the thoughts.
The scary part of 1984 was never the cameras, it was newspeak.
The culture wars in Uzbekistan go beyond words to the writing system itself. For centuries the language was written in Arabic script. In the 1920s the Soviets introduced the Latin script, similar to the Turkish reforms of the same time. Then in the 40s, the Latin script was replaced by the Cyrillic script. In the 1990s Uzbekistan announced a shift back to Latin, a move that is supposedly complete by this year.
They'll never do that to Lieutonian.
Neo-Marxists have been explicitly and deliberately using language and the educational system to attack and destroy our society and culture, but Reason reduces this to "both sides". Pathetic.
I have faith in the market that it will eventually sort out that Reason is not a libertarian magazine, but a propaganda rag for a couple of billionaires.
“Neo-Marxists have been explicitly and deliberately using language”
Marxists were far worse than anything attempted by Neo-Marxists. In the Soviet Union even new names were introduced to reflect changing times. Mel, using the first letters of Marx, Engels and Lenin was given to both boys and girls indiscriminately. Mels was a later introduction. Vilen is similar. Traktorina, Ateist, and Energiy are others.
Marxists were far worse than anything attempted by Neo-Marxists.
Neo-marxists have been resorting to euphemisms to redefine the basic meaning of words for over 50 years now. They're quite open about it, too as it's a common feature of radical left movements going back to the French Revolution. What they're doing isn't any different in substance from what the traditional marxists attempted.
You think Neo-marxists are bad? Marxists were much worse. They actually believed in what they said.
"Neo-marxists have been resorting to euphemisms to redefine the basic meaning of words for over 50 years now."
Language usage has always been changing. It's not a Neo-marxist or leftist innovation.
You think Neo-marxists are bad? Marxists were much worse. They actually believed in what they said.
No, the neo-marxists believe their own bullshit, too. That doesn't mean it isn't all bullshit.
Language usage has always been changing. It’s not a Neo-marxist or leftist innovation.
This is a motte and bailey argument that attempt to deflect from the left's very active efforts to manipulate language and change the plain meaning of words for their own ideological purposes.
"This is a motte and bailey argument that attempt to deflect from the left’s very active efforts to manipulate language and change the plain meaning of words for their own ideological purposes."
I don't understand your objection. I know it's an emotional response, but on consideration, you'll come to see that the left is perfectly within their rights to alter and modify the language according to their wishes. Just like everyone else since the time humans invented language.
Words actually have meaning and need to have meaning. That's the whole point of language. You also need to the learn the difference between organic evolution of languages versus purposeful redefining to meet desired political objectives. These are two very separate things.
You also need to the learn the difference between organic evolution of languages versus purposeful redefining to meet desired political objectives. These are two very separate things.
He understands the difference. He's simply trying to deflect attention from the very politicized ideology that promotes such targeted modifications for mainstreaming, while arguing out of the other side of his mouth that objecting to such nonsense is "a pointless culture war issue".
When the left (or the center-right, for that matter) claims that something is a "pointless culture war issue," it means that either the right is infringing on their cultural turf, or they are trying to insinuate themselves into a cultural space that they don't control, in order to rhetorically disarm you from resisting them. It's important to remember that these people HATE active pushback of any kind, and the more uncomfortable and unwelcome they feel by the people and institutions they are trying to usurp, the less likely they are to keep pushing their agenda.
Well said.
"arguing out of the other side of his mouth that objecting to such nonsense is “a pointless culture war issue”
I would never say the culture war is pointless. You've misread me. The point is to distract the left with issues that put them at odds with the right. Latinx is a perfect example. Latinx or blowing up Wall Street. Take your pick.
You seriously don't get it, do you...
"Latinx" is an attempt to redefine a group of people in a way that's detached from reality. Wall Street doesn't make mistakes like that. Enough with your deflections.
"That’s the whole point of language. "
The whole point is to communicate with others.
" between organic evolution of languages "
I reject that language evolves organically. Language is a social phenomenon and it changes, grows and dies according to the fears, desires and practices of those who speak it.
Yes, that's organic change you halfwit moron.
It's change, you're right, but organic? What have organs got to do with it? Language is not alive. Not a living organism. What's the point of pretending otherwise?
The pride you take in being an idiot really is fascinating.
He he he ... he said 'organ.'
That was so cringe, I'm embarrassed for you again.
I don’t understand your objection.
Marxists also tend to retreat into tactical ignorance when their argument falls apart.
"Marxists also tend to retreat into tactical ignorance when their argument falls apart."
Don't get me started on what Neo-marxists do when their arguments fall apart.
Neo-Marxists have been constrained by the rules of the liberal societies they operated in. In terms of objectives and beliefs, they are just as evil as traditional Marxists.
Neo-Marxists didn't create language change. But the changes neo-Marxists have made to the language ("gender", "LGBT", "microaggression", pronouns, etc.) are deliberate, planned changes with specific, illiberal political objectives in mind.
Stop the presses! Neo marxists aren't Liberal!
Oh yes, they are, by the modern American sense. You seem incapable of understanding that, nor have you been able to provide a real rebuttal.
But Mel was a Real Programmer.
https://users.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html
That's only because neo-Marxists had to operate within the constraints of liberal democracies; this forced them to adopt a strategy of slowly and gradually undermining language, instead of simply decreeing language changes from the top down.
The objectives of Marxists and neo-Marxists are still the same: the destruction of liberal, free societies.
Does that mean I can no longer say words like "tranny" or "faggot" or n****r, or how about "commie"?
We just witnessed what happened in New Mexico when the little whore governor attempted to stifle the First Amendment and cancel the Second. She must have come up with this during some post menopausal hormonal spike that obviously caused her female brain to once again , malfunction.
The First Amendment guarantees that Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom of speech, no matter how ugly or hateful. It protects the rights of those with whom you would disagree.
This also includes those media outlets who under direction of an illegitimate government, censors, lies, distorts and distributes government approved propaganda and or persecutes those who dare speak out, ie: Julian Assange.
Does that mean I can no longer say words like “tranny” or “faggot” or n****r, or how about “commie”?
Indeed but by the new rules you can use “trannyx” or “faggotx” or n****x. As for "commie", "asshole" is always apt.
Whenever you're asked to give your preferred pronoun, say "nigger".
Sometimes the Dire Straits song "Money for nothing" gets censored for use of the word "faggot".
See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup
Yeah buddy that's his own hair
That little faggot got his own jet airplane
That little faggot he's a millionaire
Note that in Britain, "faggot" has two other meanings - a bundle of sticks, and an offal dish. (And the bassoon is called "fagot" or variations thereof, in European languages.)
The word "faggot" has its origin in British boarding schools. "Fagging" was a slang term for doing tiring physical labor, from the word "fatiguing". In the schools, older boys would often have a younger boy sharing their room, with the younger one put upon to do cleaning and chores for the older one, ostensibly in exchange for tutoring and protection provided by the older boy. Often, the younger boys would be imposed upon for...other services. This led to the terms "fag" and "fagging" referring to someone serving as the receiver in homosexual acts. This turned into "faggot" by confusion with the other kinds of faggot.
Fortunately, my boarding school was founded in around 1955 or so and did not have such bizarre or unpleasant traditions.
There’s good reason to find your claim as suspicious.
> Arkansas banned the use of Latinx in state documents
Good for Arkansas! "Latinx" just drives me nuts. It's English-only speakers telling Spanish speakers how to speak Spanish. It's fucking ridiculous.
Every European language, and most languages in the world, have "gender". It doesn't mean one's social role, or one's organs of reproduction, or anything like that. It's just a linguistic thing. A "ball" might be feminine or masculine, and does NOT imply anything about the ball's sexual characteristics. But English does not have a lot of gender left in the language, other than the pronouns, which is why Wokesters hate pronouns. But other languages have gender for every single noun. Usually three genders, sometimes four or five. IT'S NOT SEXUAL!
So in Spanish it's Latino or Latina. There are no neuter nouns in Spanish like there are in German. It's just the way the language is. And if there were, they definitely would not be applied to adult human beings.
Again, it's fucking ridiculous that English-only Wokeheads are demanding that the Spanish language be changed.
Linguistically, gender is an important part of language as it helps to identify who/what is being referred to. It's a bit of redundancy in language, and redundancies are necessary in language. Pronouns could refer to red hued things versus blue hued things, and the language would still work. The gender is NOT sexual in nature! It's just the word given to this kind of linguistic construct.
Linguistically ignorant wokes.
"IT’S NOT SEXUAL!"
But it is. If you address a crowd of women, Latinas is the correct use. Add a single man to the mix, and Latinos is the correct word. The whole Latinx thing that bothers you is an attempt to deal with the imbalance.
The whole "Latinx thing" is bullshit made up by white English speaking leftist shits. Fuck off mBSman.
"The whole “Latinx thing” is bullshit made up by white English speaking leftist shits."
So what? It's sexual is the point. You address a group of Mexican women, Latina is correct. Add a man into the mix and it's Latino. That has nothing at all to do with leftism, skin color or nationality, it's part of the Spanish language. A part that people are becoming increasingly sensitive to. Witness your own emotional reaction.
No, the point is that it is leftist bullshit. The only thing I'm reacting to is your bullshit attempts to justify your bullshit. Take your bullshit elsewhere. Spanish-speaking people did not adopt Latinx. They don't want Latinx. Dumbass woke white leftist shits, like you, want to force change on others, as always. Fuck off mBSman.
"The only thing I’m reacting to is your bullshit attempts to justify your bullshit. "
I'm explaining the usage and the motivations. I'm not asking you to like it or approve. Your reaction is overly emotional. You shouldn't let yourself be manipulated into taking part in divisive culture war issues.
It’s not sexual, it’s gender.
"It’s not sexual"
I agree. 'It' is a neutral pronoun. 'He' or 'she' usage is governed by the sex of the subject. 'It' is used for object which aren't sexed.
I'm reminded of pronouns in Mandarin. 'Ta' pronounced in the high tone is the word for he, she or it. They seem to manage to make themselves understood without the distinction that causes so much controversy with English speakers. For the Chinese, the problem comes in with the orthography. Ta referring to men is written one way, and another way for women. The beast or dog radical was used with ta to refer to minority groups like the Hmong until the communists took over and reformed the system.
I’m reminded of pronouns in Mandarin.
Mandarin is not Spanish, and what your Maoist chain-pullers do isn't relevant in this regard.
All languages have controversial aspects to them and they all interact. It was exposure to Western languages in China back in the 19th century is what got the ball rolling with some arguing that a distinction between the sexes was necessary for pronouns. Eventually the ideographs were changed to denote sex.
Another interesting feature of language is how they deal with foreign concepts. Japanese, for example, goes whole hog with loan words, giving or attempting to give a Japanese word to the foreign one. You'd recognize 'computer' or 'kangaroo' in spoken Japanese. Makudonaludo (McDonald) is trickier. In Chinese, they don't go in for loan words. Computer is two characters - 'electric brain,' and kangaroo is 'pocket rat.'
mtrueman,
You do realize this is a completely non-sequitur statement, right?
You do realize this is a completely non-sequitur statement, right?
Yeah, he realizes it. That's why he's doubling down after getting squashed on his claims about Spanish.
“You do realize this is a completely non-sequitur statement, right?”
Again, from you, I take this as a complement. Non sequitor is high praise, coming from you.
"getting squashed on his claims about Spanish."
What squashed? Gender is sexual. I've pointed it out explicitly and repeatedly, It was Brandybuck, a sometimes thoughtful and considered commenter, who claimed 'gender is not sexual' in CAPITAL letters and exclamation marks several times!
Speaking to these fucktards is a waste of energy and effort.
Yup, you’re right Warlock. Though, it’s honestly funny watching someone comment who takes pride in coming off like a complete idiot. It’s an impressive troll.
What squashed? Gender is sexual.
And now the red herring.
Not referring to the word”it’s “ , you idiot.
This is why I think he's purposefully obtuse. He knows he's spouting nonsense.
This is why I think he’s purposefully obtuse. He knows he’s spouting nonsense.
Leftists always start playing dumb whenever they realize that the person they're engaging is more well-read than they initially thought (remember, these people think their political opponents are all either billionaires or dirt-poor). Hence his rampant obfuscation in his resulting posts.
"Not referring to the word”it’s “
Why not? Too nonbinary for your taste?
@mtrueman
Your reply is not based on reality.
You shouldn’t let yourself be manipulated into taking part in divisive culture war issues.
The left always says this when their own agenda is being resisted.
Well, in the sense that you repeat common falsehoods about grammatical gender and its meaning.
Most people are perfectly fine continuing to use language the way we always have, with a generic grammatical gender, a specifically female grammatical gender, and no neo-pronouns. You know, the way we have done for centuries.
It's you who is trying to get people to take part in "divisive culture war issues".
"Most people are perfectly fine continuing to use language the way we always have,"
Some people aren't. Hence the kerfuffle. My advice is to try not to get too worked up over it and turn your attention to matters more important.
No. These people are trying to promote a lifestyle that isn't based on reality. They want to enforce it through government power. It is a very important matter that we must keep our eyes on.
We need to call them out for what it is--an attempt to change definitions that serve their political goals.
Yes. That's because women are so special that they got their own grammatical gender (-a). There is no grammatical gender specifically for men, only a generic gender (-o) that is used for men, mixed groups, and unknown.
But apparently having an extra-special female gender just isn't good enough for feminists or white knights.
I don't see how adding an 'a,' doctora instead of plain doctor makes women 'so extra special.' Seems unnecessarily complicated and condescending to me.
Well your observation is wrong. Stop getting offended by the way we speak, and do NOT make us alter the way we speak for the purpose of removing this supposed offense. Get over yourself!
“mBSman”
Haha, love it.
No, Latinx is a bullshit term.
You know who dislikes it?
About 90% of Latinos/as.
The whole Latinx thing that bothers you is an attempt to deal with the imbalance.
The question-begging pretense that it's an "imbalance" is at the heart of the objection to it.
"The question-begging pretense that it’s an “imbalance”
It's not a pretense. 100 women - Latinas. 100 women 1 man - Latinos. 100 men - Latinos. 100 men 1 woman - Latinos.
It’s not a pretense. 100 women – Latinas. 100 women 1 man – Latinos. 100 men – Latinos. 100 men 1 woman – Latinos.
There's nothing imbalanced about that.
I count 3 Latinos and 1 Latina. What result did you arrive?
Why is it up to white English-speaking lefty shits to "fix" the Spanish use of gendered words?
Why are you racist lefty shits always so keen to "fix" others?
"Why is it up to white English-speaking lefty shits to “fix” the Spanish use of gendered words?"
If they weren't fixing Spanish, who knows what they might get up? Nationalizing industries, establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat, liquidating class enemies... Is that what you'd prefer? I tell you, all this culture war stuff is a diversion to keep the masses at bay. Again I tell you, don't be so eager to fall for it.
Holy shit. You are such a moron.
Enough about culture wars and their value. Let's discuss me!
@mtrueman
Oh, is that how you want it? Well here it is:
You, mtrueman, don’t speak for Latinos. End of discussion.
Why does this bother you so much?
"Why does this bother you so much?"
It doesn't bother me at all. I'm explaining the motivations behind the changes in language that are underway. If you don't approve of them, deal with it. Not my problem.
But it obviously does bother you, otherwise you wouldn’t keep raising it. So, why does it bother you to the point that you can’t “deal with it” like you’re telling me to do and instead are demanding a change?
I’m not the one who can’t handle the definition of words and structure of a language that has been around since basically the 3rd Century BCE. That’s you.
"But it obviously does bother you, otherwise you wouldn’t keep raising it."
I doesn't bother me, I promise you. And it's no concern of yours in any case. I think Latinx is like gilding the lily. So I don't use it. In English we can say Latin Americans, one phrase to denote both sexes. There is no need to further elaborate by adding x, a letter which used to be cool, what with X-rays and so on, but is now becoming one of the most cliched and tiresome letters of the alphabet.
I don't really have a dog in this fight. I prefer the war on Christmas, in which I have a dog, several reindeer and a roomful of elves.
Word salad says what?
Man. I'm embarrassed for you, and that's tough to do.
"Word salad says what? "
Ho ho ho!
I said word salad, not Santa.
Doesn't matter, there's no "imbalance" there.
Kinky! Is that streaming somewhere?
Thank you. People confuse "masculine gender" with "male", etc.
With all due respect to your post, here is the greatest article written on the subject: The awful German language
As long as we can continue to say 'boaf sides' we shouldn't have a problem.
Not when it's presented in a dishonest manner. Why do you approve of that?
Woke language is causing a backlash among those it intends to re-educate. My sons, ages 10 and 13 say “gay” and n-word way more often than my friends and I did as kids in the early 1980s.
"Press down if you want your opponent's hand to go up." --Ancient martial saying
The n-word would have died out after the Boomers grew up if younger whites hadn't learned it through Black popular culture.
Nah. Still enough whites used it all the way through for that usage not to have disappeared.
Maybe at your house.
You can do better.
This is what happens when elite colleges graduate too many gender/racial/humanities studies majors who don’t have to worry about paying back student loans.
Currently in Ohio, there's a bill (House Bill 14) that would require courts to *start* (not finish) with equal parenting when parents split, as opposed to current law wherein one parent (mom) is given custody and one parent (dad) is relegated to a visitor in the child's life.
Ohio's judges are against the bill and have proposed their own bill to reform child custody laws. The number one aspect of the bill they tout is that it eliminates harmful language in current law. It does nothing to address the disproportionate division of custody, but it will make everyone feel good because problematic language, like "residential parent", has been changed.
These same language Nazis have described equal parenting as "unnatural" (read: fathers make terrible parents), while also proudly proclaiming that their alternative bill "eradicates parental rights" (parents have "responsibilities", not "rights").
So dad identifies as a "mom". Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Let me make a "prediction from structure" (as opposed to a "prediction from data").
The judges' bill originated with and was lobbied for, by a few activist woketard judges and the other ones saw they could be accused of "inadequate sensitivity to the needs of marginalized blahdeblah areglebargle golux toadal...", and decided, instead of opposing or trying to improve it, to just say "Fine, go ahead."
This is how the now-refined tools of attack the wokies use actually work. You're just better off not raising a stink, not coming out in opposition. Just let it go. I mean, really, who cares?
"The best weapon is one that need not be deployed."
~Sun Tzu, probably
So what you're saying is our only way out of this mess is a crap ton of woodchippers?
(sarcasm for whichever government douche monitors Reason these days)
>>language warriors have long been willing to use heavy-handed tactics, at times even trying to sic the government on their opponents.
right now government is the language warrior
Though 79 percent of respondents in a 2017 Cato Institute survey said hate speech was morally unacceptable, a far smaller share—40 percent—said the government should prevent it.
2017. That’s encouraging. A super-duper majority believe hate speech (there are zero genders and two sexes– for instance is hate speech) is “morally unacceptable” and nearly half the country wants to throw me in jail for it. Things were considerably saner in 2017 than they are today. I wonder what the numbers look like now.
I heard a great line in a podcast last night which sums up so much of the debate on culture war issues:
"Let's agree to disagree. Ok, who wins if we agree to disagree? Oh, you do? Yeah, no, we're not going to "agree to disagree" then".
That is clever but is by no means limited to local culture wars.
I don't know where I picked it up, but I often answer "I'm cool." or "I'm good." as an implied negative to yes/no questions. On rare occasion, the person asking gives me a befuddled look and has to ask, "So is that a 'yes' or a 'no'?"
In that vein, it's kind of interesting that "Let's agree to disagree." doesn't end with more people getting punched in the face.
"Let's agree to disagree."
"OK..." WHOP!
"Ow, what'd you do that for?"
"I thought you wanted to disagree!"
Another culture war battle that played out recently in a niche corner of the culture was in the world of video games.
Normie: Why does this videogame have to 'current-day' us to death? Why am I confronted with Pronouns everywhere?
sideline-sitting culture warrior: Just like, ignore it man, pronouns are no big deal.
Normie: They're no big deal?
sideline-sitting culture warrior: Yes, they're utterly meaningless. This Kultur-war hurr durr stuff hurts my head to even talk about man, just quit worrying about the pronouns.
Normie: Ok, I created a mod which removes all the pronoun fuckery and gender ambiguity and I'm uploading it to NexusMods.
sideline-sitting culture warrior: Wait, what? You can't do that! Those pronouns in the game are sacred. That's... that's hate speech. Even touching the pronoun mechanics is anti-trans. It's literal hate speech... you're literally killing trans people. You're permabanned from the Mods community and your mod has been removed for hate speech.
LOL, you saw that too, huh? Funny how often the radical left try to get people to not resist their cultural agenda by arguing that the culture war is inherently bad and the right shouldn't participate in it because of that.
Not coincidentally, the center-right promotes the same argument, even while whinging about the "ends of the horseshoe" supposedly meeting together.
Yes, it is unimportant until someone is proactive in rejecting it.
It's the ultimate "me" generation.
It's unimportant until it happens to them. Sort of like crime in NYC.
Given the amount of pretending that other game content doesn't exist, more like Chicago.
You can push them out of an airlock. You can march them off a cliff. You can send them off to die on some God forsaken rock. But for some reason, you can't
slapmisgender them.Or illegal immigration.
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Apparently it is not part of language evolution for significant part of society to reject a neologism saying "We are not doing that, it is stupid."
I may be misinterpreting the term but for a language to evolve organically it seems it would have to become common amongst the commoners. I would speculate that at least a generation would have to pass because old people really don't want to learn a new version of their native tongue. I know I don't. But in the current environment words are invented and definitions changed in a matter of months.
For example. My wife came home a couple of days ago and told me there's a new girl at work. She described her as having a deep voice and said she was wearing a mask. She later told my wife that wearing it was easier than removing all of her face jewelry. The next day my wife comes home and tells me the new girl is a guy and thereafter used he/him pronouns to describe this person. Her reason is that a manager at her store got fired for "misgendering" someone. I'm well over sixty and I had never heard the word misgender until a handful of years ago. Now not only is this word in common usage, it describes a cultural crime and in some places a legal one.
As another example, virtually every media outlet uses the term Gender Affirming Care to describe the disruption of natural puberty using powerful life altering drugs and mutilating surgery. All of these words and this term are in common usage but do not describe the actual meaning. This is not an organic evolution and not yet at least imposed by government. It is Orwellian propaganda.
I’m well over sixty and I had never heard the word misgender until a handful of years ago.
Just because you're uncultured doesn't mean everyone is.
Yeah. I should really stop trying to figure shit out. What's the point? The Simpsons already did it.
Ctrl+f “vaccin” 0/0 results.
More than two years after The. Government. changes the definition of a word in real time in support of “100% safe and effective, with no downsides” fascism, well after it becomes obvious that, if the definition applied still applies in earnest, pretty much any snake oil constitutes a vaccine by the new definition… and we get a “Yeah, definitions change, both sides.” article from Reason.
hey, Jefferson liked to add words to the lexicon, so shut up.
Is cat dander a vaccine now? When exposed to it some people have an immune response. Seems to satisfy the new definition.
ivermectin is the main ingredient in my cat's anti-everything monthly application.
On the left today, language warriors push what the writer Harry Cheadle has called "Style Guide Liberalism: a fixation on terms and language that is well-intentioned but
Here we fucking go. It would be nice if we could talk/interview/reference just ONE fucking person that wasn't in general ideological agreement, but finds xerself kind of uncomfortable with the hard-line methods of getting to the "good outcome".
And Harry Cheadle, THIS Harry Cheadle?
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A quick perusal of his scribblings indicates he's way, WAY inside the bubble.
It wouldn’t even be an issue if the US Constitution LIMITED “our democracy”/government. All the culture wars, all the language wars, all the categorizing of people into who wins and who looses … it is all the result of a unrestricted [WE] mob gets the unlimited use of gov-guns “democracy”.
That basic human nature for survival plays out everywhere but it’s most POWERFUL/important when it’s centered/focused on the ‘guns’. The only tool in governments toolbox.
There is a reason the USA is not a "democracy" but a Constitutional Republic focused on ensuring Liberty and Justice. Because ensuring Liberty and Justice for all is the only practical asset 'gov-guns' can provide humanity. Any other use of 'guns' and the people are criminal and destroys Liberty and Justice.
"Pay no attention to that woman behind the curtain." Repeat instead: MAGA MAGA MAGA!!! WE WUZ ROBBED! FREEDOM IS SLAVERY! PROHIBITION IS PROSPERITY! TRUMP IS GOD! GOTT MITT UNS! --"I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message."
The only people saying freedom is slavery are retarded leftist.
This hispanic proposes “Spix” to replace the forced, colonial, faux-neologistic "Latinx."
I would love seeing the white leisure-class finally having on their lips what is in their thoughts.
You’re hispanic and you have “Schwartz” in your handle? I find this cultural appropriation triggering, please report for re-education, Nazi.
Could be a spix kike?
LOL
Fun alternate universe for the MCU: Mel Brooks is Mexican.
p.s. “Kixe” would be good too, as well as “Chinx.”
p.p.s. I just realized that "Mex" is pretty good too.
Not as good as "Spix", though.
What is that famous science fiction story in which the enslaved aliens are unsubtley called the "Meks"?
I remember—it's The Last Castle by Jack Vance.
He did manage the occasional misfire, most hilariously in "Servants of the Wankh". One of my favourite SF writers, though.
A surprising number of crypto-Jews managed to avoid the attention of the Spanish Inquisition - probably going to mass and eating pork and other _traife_ food in public, while keeping up the most easily hidden Jewish rituals in the privacy of their homes. Many of them emigrated to New Spain, since the Inquisitors did not often endure the discomforts and dangers of that voyage. So if a New World Hispanic claims a Jewish heritage, I think it likely that he's truthful.
I would love seeing the white leisure-class finally having on their lips what is in their thoughts.
Sounds kinky. I bet you can find it on OnlyFans.
it's running for Virginia State Senate.
Oberlin College Women's Lacrosse Coach removed for saying women should compete against biological women.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/sports-coach-stoned-and-hanged-for-criticising-trans-swimmer-lia-thomas-loses-job/ar-AA1gI5Fv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ca1c3f2f4734413dbdb0aa157f7044ec&ei=12
"American sports coach Kim Russell has been removed from her position at Oberlin College in Ohio.
Russell has been at loggerheads with Oberlin officials ever since posting her personal viewpoint on transgender swimmer Lia Thomas.
Russell reacted to Thomas' triumph by responding to a post that congratulated Emma Weyant, who came second."
"Creg Jantz, senior associate director of athletics, apparently told her: "It’s acceptable to have your own opinions, but when they go against Oberlin College’s beliefs, it’s a problem for your employment."
Natalie Winkelfoos, associate vice president of athletics, allegedly said: "Unfortunately, you fall into the category of people that are kind of filled with hate in the world."
"in a short documentary released by the Independent Women's forum, Russell said she felt like a child due to being yelled at.
People saying, "'A transwoman is a woman. How can you not think that?'
"I had prepared myself emotionally because I knew what was coming.
"I felt like I was burned at the stake. I felt like I was stoned and hanged all at the same time."
She added: "I really believe that women should be competing against other biological females.""
I can't even with the amount of hate that coach is displaying.
Can't. Even.
I felt like I was burned at the stake. I felt like I was stoned and hanged all at the same time.
JFC, it's persecution complexes all the way down.
This culture war makes my head hurt. Like, why are we even talking about this? Let's just agree to disagree, but my view of the world is the one we go with, kay?
Democratic Socialism/Communism *IS* the very curse behind it all.
Democratic (i.e. which [WE] gang can RULE) ...
...the Socialist/Communist (take your pick)
- synonym: social ownership
- synonym: "democratic" ownership
- synonym: government ownership
... means of production.
Social, democratic and government all go hand-in-hand to a tyrannical dictating government.
You can't just agree to disagree in the socialist/communist ideology. The very point is to pick/vote for which [WE] gang packing gov-guns does/doesn't approve of your disagreement.
Thus why the USA was founded on a LIMITED "democracy"/government to ensure ***Individual Liberty*** and Justice for all well defined in the US Constitution (very definition of the USA). In which one could agree to disagree and the monopoly of 'guns' were only used to stop 'gun' dictators and thieves.
What to do with the government ignores it's own purpose, ignores it's people's law over them and starts working for criminals and dictators instead.
Stop saying "biological female". There's no other kind. Using their language is ceding ground.
How do you class someone who is genotypically male but phenotypically female? Or would you prefer to pretend that this doesn't happen?
It happens in freakishly rare cases, and is therefore irrelevant to genderism bullshit.
Leave it to Florida Man - - -
https://nypost.com/2022/03/22/ron-desantis-declares-florida-swimmer-victor-over-lia-thomas/
The modern culture war is like declaring war on reality.
Many culture wars are like that - look at all those cretins who have tried for years to get creationism into science classes.
They're "cretins" unless they're Native Americans, and then their fundamentalist crap gets to overrule science.
Commie-Indoctrination ?science? classes?
The 'Commie' *is* the very foundation of the culture wars.
Excellent article Fiona.
I've been trying to figure out how to link/organize all sorts of info about how we manipulate and are manipulated by others - from advertising, PR, Creel/Bernays, social media algorithms, psychology stuff, etc. This doesn't give me any answers - but it opens a whole slew of stuff from linguistics, etc.
Wait until you hear how the government uses fear to manipulate you.
What part of Creel/Bernays do you not understand?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M3gNdGHsEIk
Just for the record:
Men cannot become women.
Women cannot become men.
The earth is not flat.
THERE...ARE...FOUR...LIGHTS
Just for the record:
Men cannot become women.
Women cannot become men.
True. Brains can't be sex-switched. However, someone can be genotypically male and phenotypically female - so are they a man or a woman? and having a phenotype of one sex doesn't invariably guarantee a "cerebrotype" of the same sex.
genotypically male and phenotypically female
But that is EXTREMELY rare and therefore irrelevant to contemporary genderism bullshit.
There is no such thing as a "cerebrotype", and suggesting there is is sexist.
But that is EXTREMELY rare and therefore irrelevant to contemporary genderism bullshit.
Conceivably. But there is the contra-bullshit on these pages that you have no problem with claiming thjat it doesn't exist at all.
There is no such thing as a “cerebrotype”, and suggesting there is is sexist.
Genuine LOL, assuming you’re being sarcastic. Wanker, if you’re not.
genotypically male and phenotypically female
But that is EXTREMELY rare and therefore irrelevant to contemporary genderism bullshit.
Incorrect, it’s a falsehood and an exploitation or, more likely, abuse of the language by an idiot. “Genotypically male and phenotypically male” is akin to, or somewhat opposite of, the old “Humans evolved from chimps.” adage. Humans and chimps evolved concomitantly from a common ancestor, not each other. Genotype confers phenotype, full stop. The (human/mammal) male phenotype produces both X and Y gametes, sperm. The (human/mammal) female phenotype produces only X gametes, eggs. There are no and never have been (arguably depending on your [mis]interpretation of religious historic texts) phenotypical female humans that produce Y gametes nor human male phenotypes that produce X gametes. Even if you pluck the eggs out of a female, enucleate them, and add in Y nuclear material from a male, or some similarly sex-swapped procedure, the specific individual and their gemotype/phenotype didn’t produce the gamete.
It’s a retarded game of using language in an attempt to defy logic. A = B, C = D, and B =/= C, but since you didn’t directly and explicitly say A =/= D and if you squint at =/= it kinda looks like =, ergo it’s possible A = D and therefore A = D.
Grr... “Genotypically male and phenotypically *fe*male” is akin to...
There are many things that are possible, but are very uncommon.
Yes, like a post from you that makes an actual argument. But at least that means that when someone denies it happens at all, you will agree that they're wrong.
You can think six or more impossible things before breakfast every day. Even reduce them to words. That doesn't make them real, no matter how much you torture language, science, and reason.
There is no "genotypically male, phenotypically female" any more than there is "genotypically mold, phenotypically horse" any more than there is "invisible, pink unicorn".
In general, top-down attempts to impose language – particularly constrains on language – don’t work. And I suspect that any linguist can come up with plenty of examples of words in popular use in prior times that are in desuetude, (which word is itself largely in desuetude…)
So I’m not unduly vexed by terms that come in that seem destined to go out – like Latinx. I am much more annoyed by the descriptivists of ignorance, who let “literally” mean “figuratively” and who think that “irregardless” is common enough to be accepted.
Other changes of meaning are different – over centuries, meanings of “thing*”, “nice”, “silly”, “awful”, “artificial”, “pompous”, etc have all changed, and so what?
*Original meaning – still in use in Iceland – is “parliament” . How we got here from there…
Original meaning of WHAT?
Original meaning of "thing", hence the asterisk.
"terms that come in that seem destined to go out – like Latinx"
The term 'Latinx' only makes explicit what to any speaker of English knows implicitly all along. ie that referring to Latins could be males, females, or any mixture. Adding the x only increases complexity and is morphophonemically perverse. It won't last. So everyone can relax and stop worrying. Autumn is only a week or so away. Shouldn't we all be gearing up to fight the war on Christmas? I know I am.
Relax everyone, the Left lost this one, so they didn't really mean it.
Cereal.
" the Left lost this one,"
There is no winning. Just playing the game is losing. But if it's the Left's mission now to pressure corporate America to include more non-socialist women, blacks, gays on their boards, and to make the rest of us to use latinx, the Left has clearly lost the thread. The right wing here should be kvelling, not kvetching.
The Left hasn't stopped in their efforts in doing all those things you said. We will continue to fight their ideology.
Used to be, holocausts were nuclear.
Nowadays, no nuclear, but you'd BETTER use "the" before it, and capitalize that "H".
I'd ask what the fuck you're talking about but no one gives a shit about your stupid, play-retard Nazi agitprop.
I just tell the PC police to fuck off
Spanish is a gendered language and the use of "latinx", which I pronounce rhyming with "kleenex", serves to signal you are dealing with a gender-woke dumbass.
I won't use the woke term "latinx," because it is cultural imperialism, invented by a white woke culture to impose on a non-white culture that isn't woke. And because it's poor grammar.
Seems like we might have to take Orwell out of the schools and libraries. Not because the kids can't handle it, but because the supposed "leaders" can't keep it straight that 1984 and Animal Farm were never intended as "how to" manuals for totalitarians.
I almost pity the writers at satire "news" sites anymore, coming how can anyone lampoon reality when they can't keep pace with the excesses of their targets?
Everything published before 2008 is problematic now anyway. Something that old probably contains trigger words on every other page. Someone might be seriously harmed.
https://www.youtube.com/live/O975V3-HzTQ?si=KXSJP8zluBbFQqY2&t=300
A pastor was invited to speak at the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District Board meeting (formerly known as the Reedy Creek District aka the Disney district). He quoted Romans 13:
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
There was a time when I thought self-described libertarians knew that authoritarians could be of either the left or right and that neither was to be preferred over the other. I thought that they understood that siding with one in order to defeat the other was still giving away their freedom. The last several years have stripped away any last hope I had that there could be a libertarian movement that would hold out against any politician of any party that looked to gain power the people had not granted them. Negative partisanship has come to define politics in the U.S. far too strongly for most voters to hold to any political philosophy consistently.
Too many define their political identity based on who they are against rather than what they are for. When these people do reference their ideals, it is only in justifying their opposition to one party. They turn a blind eye to any instances of the other party violating their ideals, rationalize it away, or engage in tu quoque arguments. (called Whataboutism in current usage)
Here we have someone speaking at Gov. DeSantis's handpicked board meant to reign in and punish a "woke" corporation that dared to speak out against his policies. He is quoting the Bible in how resisting authority is resisting God's will. Are any self-described libertarians here going to disagree with him on this?
”Are any self-described libertarians here going to disagree with him on this?”
Sure, I do. Now what?
”The last several years have stripped away any last hope I had that there could be a libertarian movement that would hold out against any politician of any party that looked to gain power the people had not granted them.”
This is a silly fantasy that anyone would recognize as such, if they had any clue about Libertarianism, and libertarians themselves.
Sure, I do. Now what?
Don't vote for him? Don't vote for politicians think what he did was fair play or even a good thing? Voice that opinion wherever you can in the hopes that politicians get the message that voters actually care when they abuse their power this way?
I say this because it seems fairly clear that they aren't getting that message. Rather, they are getting the message that this kind of culture war tactic works to whip up enthusiasm among voters in their tribe without costing them much in the general election. That seems to be because whatever dislike voters like you have with these tactics isn't translating to anything in November of even years.
This is a silly fantasy that anyone would recognize as such, if they had any clue about Libertarianism, and libertarians themselves.
My "silly fantasy" was that libertarians were independent voters rather than just a faction within the Republican Party. My "silly fantasy" was that Libertarianism was an ideology that fit more of a "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" with its belief in free markets and limited government. I thought that libertarian ideology didn't care about culture wars and wouldn't fit with the policies of politicians that played to religious conservatives.
If I've been wrong, and libertarians are just another faction of the GOP, and that libertarian ideology is not that distinct from conservative ideology, then I'm glad that this is clear to me now.
So treating Disney like every other Florida company in the eyes of the law isn't "equality" it's persecution? I don't necessarily agree with DeSantis's premise for "equality" but I'd think leftards should be championing the destruction of government favors for special corporations.
So treating Disney like every other Florida company in the eyes of the law...
If you've paid the slightest bit of attention to this drama, you'd know that DeSantis made it very clear that his motivation behind the restructuring of the Reedy Creek District was in retaliation for Disney's then-CEO speaking out against the "Parental Rights in Education Act" (which critics call "Don't Say Gay"). There is ample precedent that such retaliation for speech is unconstitutional, even when the benefit being removed isn't something that can be claimed as a right.
And that doesn't even include how DeSantis's office worked to make sure that Disney was not going to be subject to the previous year's social media law targeting platforms like Twitter and Facebook. Nor does it include how DeSantis had taken money for his SuperPAC from Disney before the "Don't Say Gay" controversy.
Trying to pretend that this was only about treating Disney like other companies is just that - pretend. Your comment is exactly what I was talking about. You either got caught up so much in the anti-woke hysteria that you didn't notice the hypocrisy, abuse of power, and anti-free speech actions of DeSantis and his toadies in the Florida legislature, or you don't care as long as it is the correct side being hurt. Disney is hardly a sympathetic or innocent victim, given its use of its money and power in state politics to benefit itself, but to borrow a line, if they can do it to Disney, they can do it to you.
UN-surprisingly all your blabbering had nothing to do with my comment as I already acknowledged:
“I don’t necessarily agree with DeSantis’s premise for ‘equality'”
… but instead your comment is just a massive projection of leftarded delusions about “equality” of Florida law being “hypocrisy, abuse of power, and anti-free speech”…
“if they can do it to Disney, they can do it to you” — I never did get the special status to qualify for governing exemption so apparently they already did.
Course you’ll never acknowledge any of that because every Democrat is essentially a [WE] gang-affiliated mobsters RULE party and their gang-affiliation mentality is what it’s all about.
It is amazing how a party can go from touting "equality" and hating on corporations compulsively to claiming equal treatment of Disney is some sort of abuse of power and violation of free speech. Literally a 180-degree shift based entirely upon which 'party'/gang does it.
UN-surprisingly all your blabbering had nothing to do with my comment...
I engaged with your comment for exactly what it was worth. I said that it was an attempt to distract from the real reason to pretend that equality had anything to do with the move. Especially since it didn't actually put Disney on equal footing. There is still a special district, for fuck's sake! It was just that DeSantis was able to stack the district's board with his loyalists so that they can punish Disney by fucking up what they want to do. It's really funny to see you try and twist this into something that it isn't and then complain that I am not buying it.
If you want an example of the petty bullshit that DeSantis's board is pulling, just look at the park passes. One of the perks of working in that district was free passes for those employees and their families. (They don't work for Disney directly, but for the district, as I understand it.) So, first responders in particular, like the firefighters that otherwise support Republicans reliably, are upset that the board just took away that perk. With tickets to get into to Disney World or the other parks there at well over $100, that's a big deal to a working class family. Some have said that this perk was the main reason to pick that location to work. So, why would the board vote to take that away? I can only think it was to fuck with the ability to fill those jobs and try and make it look like it was Disney's fault rather than the DeSantis toadies decision.
Go ahead and whine that I am not addressing your attempts to pull the argument away from my own point. Go ahead and prove that my point is correct with all of the tribalist invective aimed at Democrats while you refuse to acknowledge any fault in the party you support.
Once again, “I don’t necessarily agree with DeSantis’s premise for ‘equality'".
You see: It's YOU who refuses to acknowledge any fault of the party you support.
Yeah, he was trying to rein it in.
Seek Jesus.
You do realize that all this has been drummed up by NWO/WEF one world government types. Meant to create chaos.
First, words aren't harmful. They're not sticks or stones, or bullets or knives, or clubs or fists.
Second, often the speaker doesn't mean to give offense. That's not a "micro-aggression," it's not aggression at all.
Third, if we start banning words, who gets to decide?
Civilization couldn’t have been conceived if people didn’t justifiably trust what others said was true.
Lies are coercion. They harm all people.
Criminalize lying.
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