Subsidies Won't Stop Stagnation
Joe Biden is making an $80 billion bet that's doomed to fail.

President Joe Biden is making a "big bet on place-based industrial policy," writes Brookings Institution senior fellow Mark Muro. Muro and his colleagues argue that the initiative aims to address the fact that "many of the nation's towns and regions struggle under the weight of economic stagnation and social decline."
The size of the bet is around $80 billion in various industrial subsidies. It is unlikely to pay off as advertised.
These direct subsidies contrast with earlier federal place-based economic development programs, which chiefly used tax credits to encourage investment in poor urban neighborhoods and rural regions. Most research on those programs—which include New Markets Tax Credits (created by President Bill Clinton), Empowerment Zones (George W. Bush), and Opportunity Zones (Donald Trump)—indicates that they have had a negligible impact.
In a 2019 Regional Science and Urban Economics study, for example, University of California, Irvine economists David Neumark and Timothy Young found that so-called enterprise zones "have for the most part been ineffective at reducing urban poverty or improving labor market outcomes in the United States." That conclusion, they said, jibed with "the more widely prevailing view."
The conclusions of a 2023 working paper by University of Iowa finance professor Jiajie Xu were even less promising. Xu found that the Opportunity Zone program actually "led to a decrease in new business formation" and "negatively affected local employment" while having "little impact on attracting population inflows or reducing income inequality." Why? Likely because "the policy drove more private investments to existing firms, deterring potential entrepreneurs from entering and competing with the better-financed incumbents."
Ineffective as they were, the earlier place-based programs were at least directly aimed at locations with few jobs and high levels of poverty. The median annual household income for Opportunity Zones was around $33,000 initially. The subsidies that Biden has championed are less carefully targeted.
"Every American willing to work hard" should be able "to raise their kids on a good paycheck and keep their roots where they grew up," Biden declared in June. "That's Bidenomics." As an example, he cited new semiconductor fabs where workers without college degrees could make six figures.
But those fabs are not being built in the poorest parts of America. Nearly half of the $80 billion in place-based funding is targeted at semiconductor plants as authorized by the CHIPS and Science Act. Many of the companies that will receive the money announced the construction of new plants months before Biden signed that law in August 2022, and they are locating their facilities in places that make sense for their businesses.
In September 2021, for example, Intel said it was building two new fabs in Chandler, Arizona. The following January, the company unveiled plans for another two fabs in New Albany, Ohio. The median household income is $91,000 in Chandler and $206,000 in New Albany. The median household income in the U.S. stands just shy of $71,000, while the poverty threshold is just under $28,000 for a family of four.
Some new fabs are being built in towns with median household incomes below the national average. But the poorest of these is Sherman, Texas, future home of a new Texas Instruments fab, where the median household income is $54,000.
Biden's place-based programs, in short, are not really designed for helping Americans "keep their roots" in places that still "struggle under the weight of economic stagnation and social decline."
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Biden's place-based programs, in short, are not really designed for helping Americans "keep their roots" in places that still "struggle under the weight of economic stagnation and social decline."
Places that still struggle under the weight of economic stagnation and social decline? You mean the United States?
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He meant wealthy donors bank balances in places like offshore accounts.
"Joe Biden is making an $80 billion bet that's doomed to fail."
Truth in headlines:
Joe Biden is giving $80 billion (borrowed) tax dollars to his political buddies.
The trouble is that you can more reliably count on votes from established businesses and places where people already are (in their legislative districts) than you can from those who aren't in business yet (or aren't in that business there) or aren't voters yet in the place they might move to. You might as well remake society on a feudal model.
Ukraine oligarchs subsidized Joe Biden, and their net worth has never been higher!
Funny how those who vehemently defended the previous president’s industrial policy by deriding critics with accusations of hatred, mental illness, and support for the other Team have nothing to say in defense of it now.
I wonder if they have enough honesty and integrity to take back those accusations now that those very same people are criticizing those very same policies under a different president. (Actually I don't.)
Why do you care what they think anyway?
You've muted them, so you already don't care enough to read their opinions in the first place.
What opinions?
The people I mute never reply with opinions about anything except me, and I’m not here to discuss me. If they had enough maturity and integrity to argue honestly and in good faith about the topic, instead making direct or thinly veiled personal attacks like teenagers, then I wouldn’t have them on mute.
Well that didn't answer why you care at all, beyond your usual victim mentality of internet randos.
I’m just making an observation and pointing out what I see as defense of a man instead support for policy. Am I wrong?
That's irrelevant, you've already admitted that you don't want to hear from them anymore, so again, why do you care?
We both know why, you can just admit that smug superiority complex is the correct answer.
I did not admit to anything. I’d be happy to have a rational conversation about opinions that are different than my own. Let them defend their opinions and try to persuade me.
However they make the conversation about people (like you are doing right now) instead of their opinions, then I’m not interested.
I did not admit to anything.
That is 100% accurate.
I’d be happy to have a rational conversation about opinions that are different than my own
That is 100% FALSE.
Let them defend their opinions and try to persuade me.
They do, and you REFUSE to understand WHAT they are claiming, much less consider if it may be true.
However they make the conversation about people (like you are doing right now) instead of their opinions
Stop calling yourself "they".
I’m not interested.
Also true.
You wouldn't know BECAUSE you mute anyone that doesn't agree with you. I have actually seen many of the comments you claim don't exist.
The critics did display hatred, etc., but that doesn’t mean the previous president’s policies were all the best that one could hope for. I didn’t defend all of his industrial policy, but I did defend his overall policy thrust as the best that was reasonably available to us, judging by the past century in the USA alone. But we elect individuals, not individual policies, so you’ll never get all the policies you’d want, and maybe not even all those you’d prefer from what might reasonably be construed as on the table. Trump was great as presidents of my time go, and I trust he’ll be great again; if not, I’ve no doubt he’d be better than any available alternative. And those who concentrated on criticizing him were either wrongheaded or doofuses — or in the pay of the venal or wrongheaded.
What’s wrong with criticism when deserved and praise when deserved?
I have always given Trump credit for deregulation and not starting any new wars. However his economic policy was bollocks. When I criticized that policy I was invariably attacked. Now Biden is continuing the same economic policy, and the same people who criticized those policies when they were Trump’s are still criticizing them. That tells me they oppose the policies, not the person.
What’s wrong with that? And why are those who attacked the critics of the policies then not attacking the critics now?
No; Biden isn't making a bet. He's STEALING more money!
Yeah, it's not his money, and I didn't say he could make any bets with mine.
It will succeed in getting $80 billion to the politically connected, which is all that matters to the DC crowd.
The connected sure hope so. Biden was in Philly today for a union Labor Day event, bragging about his subsidies and the union was eating it up (and have already endorsed him and Harris for 2024. I suppose when goodies are being doled out, the average union worker and his spouse are willing to overlook the 18% increase in prices during Biden's term.
It wouldn’t be that way if that 18% increase in prices was only for those union workers. It’s 18% on every US citizen. Purely an act of armed-theft (i.e. stealing).
A thumbnail order-of-magnitude estimate on a project like this is possible even absent information on its details or a background in economics. $80 billion for 80 million workers over ten years, under a loose assumption that spinoffs or multiplier effects might reach half the country’s labor force, is $100 per worker per year. No wonder we’re seeing phrases like “negligible impact.” Uncle Sam was spending $160 billion a year on SNAP (food stamps) during the pandemic when benefit supplements were offered under it, all of that money going straight into the pockets of eligible poor or near-poor households, and to blunt poverty’s greatest single impact on families, an inadequate diet. Even if libertarians aren’t fans of social welfare programming because of its potentially corrosive effect on individual initiative, giving money directly to the poor remains the most effective way to help them. When economic circumstances or misfortune beyond personal control, e.g. advanced age or disability, warrant granting relief, direct payments are the way we should do it.
> giving money directly to the poor remains the most effective way to help them.
Only if it's specific (and conditional) charity. I have no objection to finding someone temporary housing and job training. But only if I have direct control over it, and only if that person meets certain criteria. Rather than hand them a pre-paid debit card, we pay a landlord - so that way the money goes where it's supposed to. If they don't show up for job training, we evict them. If they test positive for drugs, we evict them. If they get hired and then quit two weeks later, we evict them.
The same should go for SNAP, incidentally. No, you don't get to shop like a normal human being who provides for themselves. You show a SNAP identification, and then you get to pick one of three pre-arranged grocery shops that provide more than enough for three square nutritious meals for 30 days without any frivolities.
Beggars can't be choosers. Or, at least, they damn we'll shouldn't get to be.
Fun fact:
The beggars aren't choosers, they are demanders.
> giving money directly to the poor remains the most effective way to help them.
Then why put the state apparatus in the middle?
"Giving money to the poor is the most effective way to help them"
How many used it for drugs, tvs, and other things?
Anything free, people don't cherish. When you work for something, you make better decisions, plus a sense of accomplishment.
Why don't you go give money to a teenager. We can check back and see what they did for it.
By the way, conservatives give to charity to help poor people. My mom works in the church food bank even. Why does the Democrats need the government to force them to help the poor?
"Why does the Democrats need the government to force them to help the poor?"
...because the real reason is...
"I'm poor. Here's my gov-guns. Now hand over all your earnings!"
Armed-theft 101.
> "Every American willing to work hard" should be able "to raise their kids on a good paycheck and keep their roots where they grew up," Biden declared in June. "That's Bidenomics."
No. You go where the work is. Period.
This mentality that everything "should come to me" or "be convenient for me" is ultimately a sense of entitlement. That society OWES your lazy ass something you can't be bothered to go provide for yourself.
"I shouldn't have to pack up and move to have lower cost-of-living and better opportunity. Cheap housing and new jobs should be created where I already am." "I shouldn't have to leave the State to get an abortion, the abortions should be right down the street." "My neighbors voted on something I don't like? Well screw them, let's just call the Supreme Court to whitewash everything MY way."
People like that need to be smacked in the mouth. With a pipe wrench.
The great philosophers Don Henley and Glen Frey addressed this.
You say you haven't been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if they gave you some cash
The more I think about it old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers kill 'em tonight
Don't want to work you want to live like a king
But the big bad world doesn't owe you a thing
Get over it!
An $80 billion bet is not doomed to fail. Doomed requires $1 trillion.
" regions struggle under the weight of economic stagnation and social decline"
I don't even know what social decline is supposed to mean.
Ron, not one word about crime or city zones. You state poverty level, which areas in the states would that be? I mean Target (sucks); Walmart, Walgreens..ect love shrinkage.
There is a saying "you couldn't pay me to go there". Guess what
It’s modern day Keynesian Economics, of questionable value in the dst of the Great Depression and it’s liquidity trap. Since then it has always had negative economic impact. Navy Pelosi essentially claimed a 4x-5x Fiscal Multiplier. Study after study has shown such to be less than one. Always. The government cannot take money, whether through taxation or borrowing/inflation fro the private sector, and spend it as efficiently as the private sector can. Just cannot happen. And doesn’t.