China's E.V. Graveyards Are an Indictment of Government Policy
A Bloomberg report blames "unconstrained capitalism" for a glut of abandoned electric vehicles. But the industry also received billions of dollars in public funds.

Last week, Bloomberg reported on China's electric vehicle (E.V.) "graveyards"—plots of land across the country where hundreds of vehicles have been abandoned.
From the outset, the piece places blame on "the excess and waste that can happen when capital floods into a burgeoning industry." It closes by quoting a Shenzhen–based photographer who calls the graveyards "a result of unconstrained capitalism…. The waste of resources, the damage to the environment, the vanishing wealth, it's a natural consequence." Not only does this quote get cause and effect totally wrong, but it also ignores the fact that China poured tons of government money into the industry.
China's government first implemented E.V. subsidies in 2009, spending nearly $30 billion by 2022. Buyers could receive rebates of as much as $8,400 per vehicle purchased. By the mid-'10s, Beijing disadvantaged the production of cars with poor fuel economy, and cities like Shijiazhuang and Hangzhou banned cars with internal combustion engines altogether.
Companies rushed to market with unimpressive offerings, especially compared to their gas-burning counterparts; some got barely 60 miles of range per charge. Most were bought by companies that would rent them to drivers.
But when the country started paring back incentives in 2019, many companies weren't prepared to compete without government cash as a backstop and were forced to close, relegating their fleets to molder in open fields.
E.V. graveyards are therefore an indictment of government policy, not capitalism. When private entrepreneurs enter into a nascent market, they put their own capital on the line; their ambition is tempered by the fear that failure will mean losing their shirt. But when the government agrees to cover part of the bill, or requires people to use that product, then it artificially lowers the risk.
China's example shows how subsidies skew the market. With the promise of free money, hundreds of companies flooded the market with substandard products that, on their own, stood no chance of competing directly with gas-powered cars. When the spigot shut off, those companies couldn't survive: Bloomberg reports that there are about one-fifth as many E.V. manufacturers in China today as there were in 2019.
Washington could learn from Beijing's example. The Inflation Reduction Act, passed in 2022, included tax credits for buying E.V.s. The Electrification Coalition, a nonpartisan organization that advocates for the wider adoption of electric vehicles, called the law "perhaps the most significant legislation to accelerate transportation electrification in U.S. history."
But Axios reported last month that dealerships across America are sitting on a backlog of electric vehicles. While dealers had an average 54-day supply of gas-powered vehicles, E.V. inventory had swelled to a 92-day supply. Ford's Mustang Mach-E, the bestselling E.V. not made by Tesla, had a staggering 117-day supply.
Ford told Axios the massive supply was intentional, in anticipation of a strong fall sales quarter. And the company may well be right: Americans are increasingly interested in buying electric vehicles.
Even so, the market may not be there to support them at the same level that they're being manufactured. So it's not capitalism, but rather misguided government policies, that pushed manufacturers to build more electric vehicles than consumers were likely to buy. On a long enough timeline, the result is clear: hundreds of cars sitting abandoned in fields.
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And now, due to the Chinese Communist government, they have created an environmental issue with these rotting away in fields. Now, there are heavy metals leaching into the soil under these cars as the batteries slowly decompose in the sun. Remember, government always makes environmental issues worse. China is doing here; the US and City of Niagara Falls did it with the Love Canal (as an example).
Communist utopias always involve a high degree of environmental devastation. Compare East Germany and West Germany after WW2.
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So basically, the best way to combat environmental blight is to wipe out the left.
I’m down with that. Color me green.
It closes by quoting a Shenzhen–based photographer who calls the graveyards "a result of unconstrained capitalism….
Pro tip: Trying to find a nexus between China, capitalism and Electric Vehicles makes you sound like more of an imbecile than trying to apply free-market principles to American production of EVs.
How much doublethink does one need to engage in to conclude that the problem with China is too much capitalism?
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The only success Communism's ever had has been blaming Capitalism for it's own problems.
At least as much as it takes to not end up a political prisoner making iphone parts in a forced labor camp, I suppose.
If Bloomberg didn't hire doublethinkers on his news outlets, he'd have to fire them for calling out all the lies he puts out in the propaganda coming from "Everytown", so it's probably to be expected in his publications.
Why should anyone be surprised. When the batteries last only 6 or so years and cost almost as much as the vehicle is worth what is the resale value? Compare an EV truck to a diesel truck. The diesel will get typically 300,000 miles before it has to be resleeved which is about ten or 15 years versus 6-8 years for a new battery that is near the value of the vehicle which one would you buy at 5 years of age. And the diesel has salvage value while the battery is a hazardous waste.
Typical big truck diesel engine will get an inframe rebuild at around 800k miles. And some go a lot further. There trucks with Detroit 60 engines still running at over 2 million miles without an inframe. And a truck with a solo driver should be running at around 100k miles a year. Teams can do twice that or more. There is no way EV trucks will ever match diesel.
Except that your 6-8 year typical battery life claim simply isn't credible because these batteries are covered by a 10 year warranty! Tesla, which began manufacturing long-range EVs over 10 years ago, would already be bankrupt if that were truly typical.
The lifespan of batteries in US EVs such as Tesla are typically 300,000 to 500,000 miles - that is, more than the design life of the vehicle of around 22 years - at which point the battery is recycled.
We have substantial field data supporting this. For example, search "Tesla battery lifespan" to find the well-known graph of measured range loss across the Tesla fleet over 250,000 km (155,000 miles) ending at only 9% - that is, a 332 mile range Model 3 should average 302 miles of range at 155,000 miles.
You'll see a few outliers on the graph, of course, but the vast majority reach the 100,000 mile mark with very little and with decelerating battery wear.
Too many people are going to college.
The original author shouldn’t be writing and “customers” shouldn’t be reading this crap.
Everyone involved should be digging ditches.
And yet, people want to ban ICE cars.
It's almost like they purposely want to destroy the USA....
Oh yeah; They do. They want a Nazi-Empire to steal for them.
They don't want to destroy the USA. They want to liberate us from the tyranny of the US Constitution (Amendments 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, and 10 in particular)
A certain subset of people can be tricked into wanting to ban water when they're presented with the right spin.
It's a wonder that CA businesses are allowed to operate in daylight hours without some kind of warning posted considering that sunlight is at some level a carcinogen.
China and "unrestrained capitalism" should never exist together in the same sentence. Despite the collapse of Maoism and the rise of the urban (and only urban) middle class, China remains committed to communism.
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Remind me, what is a political system called when a government does not own but instead controls its capital industries? Fa- something.
Fatheaded?
Fan-fucking-tastic!
Famously Punctual?
Third-wayism, the preferred government of morons like Thomas Friedman.
Americans are increasingly interested in buying electric vehicles.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT! The third fucking sentence from your own goddamned citation:
Further down (still in the same cite):
It's like the article was written by someone with a sub-chemjeff IQ.
To be fair, it was written by Lancaster, so the sub-chemjeff IQ probably fits.
Ouch! That’s a very low IQ.
By "Americans" he meant "Democrats in DC".
sub-chemjeff IQ
That's okay, an IQ of 170 is still pretty good.
You made a typo. You accidentally added a zero to 17.
You fatfuck dullard.
And it's hilarious, that I haven't commented here for about two weeks now, having had to deal with some personal and family issues, and yet just browsing some of the recent comments, you all can't stop talking about me.
I particularly enjoy the sockpuppet that has emerged to try to emulate me. It's not a crude Tulpa job, it's someone who really is putting in some effort to try to represent what I might actually say. It's not accurate, but it's not all that far off either. The attempt is clearly designed to try to steal my identity, so that when the fall of 2024 rolls around, the chemjeff sockpuppet will have you believing that he/she is really me, and so when the sockpuppet declares "you know, I just must reluctantly vote for Biden", you will totally eat it up.
But it is amusing to know that I live in your heads at least to a measurable degree.
I can’t imagine that your family would ever talk to you. Not willingly anyway.
At least they make it easier to get at the rare earth minerals in those discarded cars, instead of fresh strip mining.
"Ford's Mustang Mach-E, the bestselling E.V. not made by Tesla, had a staggering 117-day supply.
Ford told Axios the massive supply was intentional, in anticipation of a strong fall sales quarter."
Please report what happened at the end of this "strong fall sales quarter"
Corporate speak; aka garbage language
The whole discussion feels very "
DeadheadGreen Day sticker on aCadillacMustang Mach-E."To wit, 'Dude, she's just not that into you.'
LMAO.... Capitalist China?
PROJECTION at it's finest.
But hey; At least all the Democrats here still have their dreamland utopia to join... Oh wait; Communism and Socialism is all about conquering and consuming what others have created now isn't it. Why else do they keep running from their own creations for greener pastures?
The Anti-property, Anti-justice, Anti-freedom party from those who will never stop believing 'guns' ... gov-guns ... can make sh*t without enslavement and dictation. Once upon a time the USA was about ensuring Liberty and Justice for all against those 'guns' make sh*t criminals.
Bloomberg was apparently captured in the culture wars and started blaming capitalism for everything. Their mission seems to be to prevent anyone who might start out with the capacity to learn something from their reporting and articles from discovering the difference between crony capitalism (A.K.A. “fascism” where the business critters are in bed with the political critters and are rewarded by the political critters for following their economic marching orders in support of the party line;) and actual capitalism which requires markets free of interference from government and private property and the right to keep the profits from your production and investments enforced neutrally by law.
Reason should not rely on Forbes for the facts on Chinese EV’s. Actually, it is mostly gasoline-powered cars that are sitting unsold there. Even with 50% discounts no one wants them.
Got a cite for that claim?
You're a liar.
I note ajaxx has yet to offer any support for the claim; assuming lying pile of lefty shit for now.
Ctrl+f 'Forbes': 0 results
Giving you way more credit than is due;
I don’t know what point you’re trying to make or think you’re trying to make, but are you aware of what a “backhanded defense” or “own goal” is?
That is, China producing an inexhaustible backlog of EVs and ICEs or a larger backlog of ICEs in favor of graveyards full of EVs, that’s not in any way a better from either an economic control or environmental impact perspective than just graveyards full of EVs.
Unconstrained capitalism is just a by-product of unregulated democracy. The consumer should be free to vote for what they want, but only if it is what their betters tell them they should want. All else is just false consciousness, class traitorism, and the heartbreak of psoriasis.
I could see having an electric car as a daily commuter. Park and charge daily in my garage. It may happen. But the Chinese are not known for having garages. More likely concrete tower apartments. Where would a china man charge his car reliably? At a remote charging station where they wait in line? A drop cord while it is parked in the street? I have my own solution but what's a Chinaman to do?
Huge numbers of those towers are empty shells too. Built just to raise property value and are falling apart. Even whole 'ghost' cities . Even the buildings people live in have fake fire hoses, fake drainage in the streets. The whole country is built on corruption and it's starting to fall apart.
No wonder they’re becoming more belligerently hostile militarily. They need a war to prop things up.
Everything government money touches turns to shit.
Sure subsidies play a big part. But mass producing autos for the consumer market is new in China. When Japan and Korea first started decades ago, their product was cheap and performed poorly. Of course Korea and Japan car industries also received generous subsidies from the government.
Did you presume to have a point in that bullshit, trueman? Just asking as you have made it known that worthwhile information in your posts is not likely; you seem to be pleased at being a bullshitter:
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
As a confessed lying pile of shit, why would anyone credit one of your lies with being other than a lie, asshole?
Without going into a lot of detail, we (wife and I) are buying a car soon. Turns out 'deals' for cars in our price range (not low end) are offered only for the E cars. Even with the (you and me) subsidies, they ain't getting E-car tail lights off the lots.
Car or truck?
China's government first implemented E.V. subsidies in 2009, spending nearly $30 billion by 2022. Buyers could receive rebates of as much as $8,400 per vehicle purchased. By the mid-'10s, Beijing disadvantaged the production of cars with poor fuel economy, and cities like Shijiazhuang and Hangzhou banned cars with internal combustion engines altogether.
I can't tell whether China copied California, or California copied China.