DeSantis Unironically Frets About 'Criminalizing Political Differences'
He'd be a stronger candidate if he applied that thinking to situations that don't involve former President Donald Trump.

During a Tuesday interview with CNN, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, was asked by anchor Jake Tapper to respond to the breaking news that former President Donald Trump could face a federal indictment for his role in instigating the January 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol.
DeSantis' response was a revealing one.
"If [special prosecutor] Jack Smith has evidence of criminality," asked Tapper, "should Donald Trump be held accountable?"
"Here's the problem," DeSantis replied. "This country is going down the road of criminalizing political differences, and I think that's wrong." A few moments later, DeSantis complained about the Department of Justice and the FBI being "weaponized against people they don't like." Eventually, he also got around to saying that he hopes Trump won't be indicted because it "won't be good for the country."
Leave aside, for now, the bigger questions about whether another Trump indictment would be good for the country—or, for that matter, good for DeSantis' own presidential aspirations.
Focus on the first part of DeSantis' answer—the part about how criminalizing political differences is wrong. Tapper didn't seize on that moment, but it would have been interesting to see him follow up by asking DeSantis how that position fits with the Florida governor's extensive track record of wielding the power of the state against those with whom he has political disagreements.
Indeed, the weaponization of the state against those on the political left is the central theme of DeSantis' entire campaign. He proudly boasts that Florida is "where woke goes to die," and has banned schools in Florida from teaching anything that state education bureaucrats might deem to be "critical race theory." Regardless of how he might define the terms "woke" and "critical race theory," there's no denying that his objections to them are purely political.
You could say the same thing about DeSantis' decision during the pandemic to ban private businesses from requiring that workers and customers wear masks. And about his ongoing feud with The Walt Disney Company, Florida's largest employer, which has accused DeSantis of orchestrating an unconstitutional "targeted campaign of government retaliation" after Disney's then-CEO, Bob Chapek, spoke out against DeSantis' so-called "Don't Say Gay" law, which banned discussions of gender identity in public elementary school classrooms (the law was later broadened to include most classrooms up to grade 12).
That's a political disagreement about another political disagreement—and in both cases, DeSantis has aimed to limit the free speech rights of his opponents. While that may not quite rise to the level of "criminalizing political differences," which is what DeSantis accused the Justice Department of doing, DeSantis clearly has no qualms about exercising state power in political fights.
In his recent book, DeSantis makes clear that he would continue to use state power against his political opponents if elected president. "An American revival," DeSantis writes, "requires that corporations are treated as political actors when they use their economic power to advance an ideological agenda." Later in the same chapter, DeSantis imagines various ways in which "the political branches [of government] can protect individual freedom from stridently ideological private actors" by limiting what those private actors can do or say.
The idea that government should intervene to protect some private individuals from the free speech being exercised by other private individuals is both nonsensical and probably unconstitutional. As The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf has written about DeSantis' misunderstanding of the value of freedom: "Neither my freedom nor yours requires the state to protect us from an entertainment company urging the state legislature to repeal a bill, or a beer company putting a trans influencer on a can, or whatever else DeSantis regards as a pathology. Indeed, we remain free in part because the First Amendment prevents the state from engaging in that sort of viewpoint discrimination."
Much of what DeSantis has done in Florida and promised to do if elevated to the presidency is jarringly at odds with his criticism on Tuesday of Trump's pending indictment. When you line that moment up against DeSantis' campaign rhetoric, he seems to be saying that the problem with Trump's possible indictment is merely that the state has been weaponized against the wrong person.
But that's the root of the contradiction at the center of DeSantis' campaign: Advocating for greater powers to be wielded against your political foes always creates the opportunity for your political foes to wield that same power against you and your allies.
The way out of that trap is not to double down on illiberalism—even though that's what much of the populist right sees as necessary—but to do exactly what DeSantis said on Tuesday: oppose the criminalization of political differences.
Now let's see if he can apply that same idea more broadly.
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If someone pulls a gun on me and tells me "your money or your life", why does that make it a crime for me to shoot first?
If the wokies are weaponizing the legal system to shove their extreme minority position on people who work for a living, why is it a crime to fight back using the same legal system?
By gum, fool! Extremism in the defence of virtue is no vice, or something like that. You reluctantly voted for this shit, now you're getting it back in your face, why don't you reluctantly sit back and enjoy it, like you told us to?
I'd love to get rid of the State, make it impossible for anyone to weaponize it. But if you weaponize it, don't expect your victims to go along.
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I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!
"If the wokies are weaponizing the legal system to shove their extreme minority position on people who work for a living"
can you give me an example of that?
That is far from an arbitrary line.
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Give him a break. It was the best boaf sides he could do. Ironically he has never actually criticized the lefts political investigations.
It's only bad when the other side does it. I mean, duh!
There is this thing called precedent.
Stop fighting back, just submit. - brandy.
Indeed, the weaponization of the state against those on the political left is the central theme of DeSantis' entire campaign.
The best thing that Da Meatball has going for him is his wife. That isn't enough in the GOP.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
worked for Algore
To recap: the author voted for Biden, correct?
I reluctantly remember you may be reluctantly right.
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* Move out of DC
* Make liberty the first consideration in every article
Why would they do any of that?
Why are you pretending Reason is what you want it to be instead of what it clearly is?
I too reluctantly recall that.
Which is, however, irrelevant to the points being made. DeSantis is a right-wing authoritarian who is evidently opposed to free private speech. One might think that the more libertarian posters here, whether left-leaning, right-leaning or centrist, would not support DeSantis on these grounds alone.
One might think that, given the choice of two authoritarians with vastly different policies, one might be able to compare and contrast.
One might, but not our limey friend here.
Not giving undue benefits to a corporation is authoritarianism?
Or telling school districts to teach the state approved curriculum?
Weren’t you just emdefendimg the Ga DA going after Trump for pointing out illegal votes yesterday shrike? Defended non violent J6 arrests? Push trump russia still? Applauded a NY jury admitting trump didn't rape someone but defaming her for saying he didn't rape her? Applauded seditious conspiracy charges against the Proud Boys with utilization of an "unspoken" conspiracy?
Good times shrike.
"the author voted for Biden"
Only because DeSantis wasn't in the running.
I’ll wager a buck he votes for Biden again.
Your buck stops there.
By the time the election rolls around, it will worth a bit less.
"I’ll wager a buck he votes for Biden again."
Neither Biden nor Trump will be in the running.
I’ll wager a buck he votes for
Bidena democrat again.I really don't care who the author votes for. Chacun à son goût. There will be things of a lot more consequence to consider between now and election day to consider.
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"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself.
Fuck off and die.
Like, today.
DeSantis talking about not criminalizing politics in the context of the Ds inventing crimes and imprisoning dissidents is a bitch move.
Add that to him using talking points of the J6 committee, and he's thoroughly exposed himself as an establishment mandarin.
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"I thought Nikki Haley was calling out these radical leftists for being un-American communists"
These are precisely the radical leftists we should be supporting. They pose no threat to American anti-communists. They've been bought by the big wigs in their party. If Israel wants their support, they need to pony up. Or, just maybe, give up the apartheid.
"...Or, just maybe, give up the apartheid."
Or perhaps the steaming pile of lefty shit trueman could stop lying.
Fuck off and die.
Or maybe bloodthirsty ‘Palestinian’ Muslims could renounce violence against Jews.
Achieve your goals then renounce violence. That’s the way it works. No matter if it’s Jews or bloodthirsty ‘Palestinian’ Muslims.
The squabble over real estate is ongoing. Until it's resolved, more violence is all but guaranteed.
Palestinian muslim goals being the extinction of Israel
Apartheid isn't going to lead to a happy resolution.
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I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again. The ‘justice’ system exists to protect the elites…
The real question is: Will Republicans do anything about it?
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No, they won’t. Decorum don’t you know.
True. And not just Republican lawmakers. I’m continual,y admonished by other conservatives to keep things polite amd civil.
Look where that has gotten us. If we had started on imprisoning and expecting Marxists 75 years ago we wouldn’t be in this mess now. The eventual body count will be orders of magnitude greater too.
Apples and oranges...
Who among his political opponents has DeSantis and/or his AG indicted for any reason?
You already know the answer is: nobody.
Bohem has tiny hands, so grasping at really fine straws is all the TDS-addled shit pile can do.
I think it is at least relevant to point out that DeSantis punished Disney for their political speech. I think that is at least in the realm of "criminalizing political differences" (obviously, it isn't criminalizing, but it is punishing) . I know that some disagree, and that is fine. But the point is that this ONE example is one where Boehm might have a point worth exploring.
But instead of explore that one point, they trot out the entire laundry list of grievances against DeSantis, hoping that the volume is enough to carry their point. And it just isn't because, as you note, wielding state power is not the same as criminalizing one's political opponents.
I will never compare removing an excess government benefit largely helping a favored entity to government threats of over 20 years for political reasons. Those two things are so far apart.
Disney violated Ready Creek decades ago. It should have been removed decades ago.
Unless you are conceding that Disney committed over a billion dollars in tax free municipal bonds securities fraud, DeSantis did no such thing. He just ensured that the 6 oldest remaining government special districts updated themselves to the current laws and regulatory framework.
This parsing has never made much sense to me. DeSantis literally said he was doing this as retribution for the political speech made by Disney (weighing in on the legislation). He was proud of that fact. And denying what he said just makes his supporters seem ashamed of his actions.
And denying what he said just makes his supporters seem ashamed of his actions.
Can you actually see shame or are you guessing? Because what I do see is a lot of projection. The projection of a false equivalence to cover the shame, or malice, or logical incoherence of the actual lack of law or equality. Arguably, an impugning of free speech on the mere superficially-incredible allegation of unConstitutional action.
I don’t see ravenshrike denying anyone said anything. I have seen people rightly point out that regardless of what DeSantis said, he couldn’t and didn’t unilaterally effect such action alone and what was done was done, Disney’s opinions aside, was through the proper legal channels to a “T”. Unlike the novel constructs being fabricated and employed relatively on-the-spot and/or just-in-time to indict Trump.
This is pretty much on par with regardless of what the J6 protesters proclaimed, they weren’t going to meaningfully prevent the certification of the vote and the election of the outcome. Certainly no unConstitutional act on par with the actual unConstitutional act, with or without fanfare, of their mass detention and show trials.
Which is pretty much on par with regardless of what exactly was quid-pro-quo-ed between Trump and Ukraine, it’s lack of Constitutionality was nothing in comparison to the quid-pro-quo the former-VPOTUS bragged about doing without the then-POTUS’s knowledge.
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True. Making the teaching of certain things civil offenses and abolishing a special district to punish a corporation for political differences are not the same thing as criminalizing political differences. But why is it a bad thing to criminalize political differences? the right to free speech. So the same reasoning applies in both cases. So the difference turns out to be irrelevant. So DeSantis still doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Indeed, there is no irony in it.
You'd be a stronger journalist if you weren't such an ignorant, partisan bigot.
Is there a free speech right to teach a racial essentialist social theory in public schools? If a history eacher was teaching that black people were morally inferior and justified chattel slavery in the antebellum United States as the correct way to think, would anyone bat an eye to defend such a teacher's free speech rights or consider banning such thinking from classrooms in any fashion controversial?
"Woke" has generally been an attempt to use the government to force certain beliefs on the populace.
The whole Disney fiasco from the "Don't Say Gay" side feels like a psyop being perpetrated by Gretchen.
They're like someone who's too stupid to learn how to play poker and too proud to admit they got some lucky bluffs so that now that everybody can see the tells and knows who the sucker at the table is, they have to resort to acting like they are now bluffing and losing on principle and/or everyone else at the table is cheating, or the game's not fair or whatever other excuse they can toss up.
You don't need the "If a history teacher..." example. A corporation enacting a social agenda in public schools with the protection and endorsement of a national government is quintessentially and definitively fascist-style Nationalist Socialism.
The Nazis did a lot more than 'protection and endorsement' when it came to their public schools. They used them as a vehicle to inculcate in teachers and students alike all sorts of hateful ideas.
“ Regardless of how he might define the terms "woke" and "critical race theory," there's no denying that his objections to them are purely political”
Imagine trivializing civil rights as “political differences” to understand how our of touch this is. This is the key to understand the e left and their CRT supporting sycophants. Would they refer to the Civil Rights Acts as criminalizing political differences? Believing schoolchildren should be subjected to racism because it’s labeled CRT is delusional.
The one thing that should change though is these new laws. Most states have versions of the Civil Rights acts. Those who execute racist curricula or other programs in education or the workplace should be prosecuted under these Civil Rights Act and quit passing new laws. It’s much harder for the left, or Reason, to delegitimize the Civil Rights Acts although there’s no doubt they will try.
Absolutely right. Boehm thinks it is clever to point at DeSantis and say, "Ackshewally, ALL use of state power is wrong!" It's like some Star Trek nerd explaining how Picard would have been better off routing power through the deflector array in episode 123. It is just plain out of touch.
But I think you hit on an important point: the problem is that it is very difficult for Boehm, et al, to argue in depth against these actions because of the uncomfortable place it takes them in having to agree that the left is already doubly worse, here.
If you want to really argue in depth that CRT legislation is bad, then that is ultimately going to mean acknowledging that the entire Civil Rights Act is bad for the EXACT SAME REASONS.
If you want to argue that banning Mask Mandates is bad, then you are going to have to get into the details about why those bans are necessary: the fact that they were being pushed by federal entities, fears of lawsuits, and politicized science.
So, rather than argue against each of these in depth, we get article #150 with the same bullet list of grievances. The hope is that instead of finding themselves having to reconcile CRT with the Civil Rights Act, they can just hope the shotgun affect will do all the work for them.
Well put and I think an accurate description of Reason in general of late.
It’s like some Star Trek nerd explaining how Picard would have been better off routing power through the deflector array in episode 123.
Though the parts of Episode 123 where a Borg drone gets red(shirt)-pilled by the Federation and divides the crew between individual free will, assertions that the Borg are just exploring the galaxy like any other sentient race, and that eliminating them for their exploration would amount to genocide were pretty relatively pointed. If only for the fact that we see that the Borg, were they not extinguished, would constitute an existential threat in perpetuity.
If you want to really argue in depth that CRT legislation is bad, then that is ultimately going to mean acknowledging that the entire Civil Rights Act is bad for the EXACT SAME REASONS.
Butbutbut! CRA is the bestest. How else could white knight whitey feel good about how they, the smart white liberal, "fixed" racism?
I feel sorry for Mr. DeSantis. In order to get elected he has to convince a pile of crazy people that he’s more of a wingnut than Trump, but the wingnuts can smell someone who is authentically nuts and Trump’s strongest selling point is that he is authentically nuts. DeSanitis’s wingnuttiness is hampered by the fact that he’s always looking over his shoulder at a pollster to check and make sure he’s projecting the right amounts of insanity.
"While that may not quite rise to the level of "criminalizing political differences," which is what DeSantis accused the Justice Department of doing, DeSantis clearly has no qualms about exercising state power in political fights."
In other words, the headline and Boehm's entire article is trying to impute a hypocrisy that Boehm himself admits doesn't exist. My God how can you create this entire article, add in your admission that the article was off base, and then still hit the publish button?
It's as if DeSantis was arguing that one shouldn't buy beef, and Boehm complained that this was ironic given that DeSantis still shops at grocery stores. It is just dumb.
For the record, pretty much every politician in the history of government has "exercised state power in political fights." That is what politics *IS*- the process by which we decide how state power will be exercised. Boehm might as well complain that Military Generals are using their armies to win wars.
Now one of two things is afoot here: It is possible that Boehm is such a die hard libertarian that he cannot tell the difference between banning a state curriculum and *criminalizing* people who would institute a different curriculum (as both are against the NAP). Alternatively, Boehm is actually trying to detract from the seriousness of criminalizing opponents by conflating it with every-day government overreach.
In either case, this article does no favors to anyone- especially the readers of Reason.
Another glaring double standard here is that the writer presumably approves of the state using its authority to grant Disneyland a quasigovernment district to operate in, but disapproves of the state’s authority to withdraw that special grant. One fundamental principle that might apply here is if Disneyland becomes politically involved in – for example – legislation concerning school curricula in Florida they might be stepping outside of their private enterprise exclusion zone. Although Disney has a first amendment right to express any opinion they want to, no one ever said that expressing one’s opinions was without consequences! As long as Disney stays inside their business model it’s hard to see why authoritarian governors would want to take political action against them. I don't see anywhere in this article where the author tries to make that point.
Another glaring double standard here is that the writer presumably approves of the state using its authority to grant Disneyland a quasigovernment district to operate in, but disapproves of the state’s authority to withdraw that special grant.
Also lost in the discussion was the fact that Disney wasn't the only special district to lose their status. There were several others that actually complied with the removal and no drama whatsoever.
Disney stepped in it when they decided to specifically become a political mouthpiece for the Democratic party, and then followed up by trying to get around the ruling that everyone else executed, only for that dumbshit Iger to state on the record that Disney and Reedy Creek were the same thing--a HUGE legal no-no that ended up biting them in the ass. Note how the mainstream media has gone mostly radio silent on that subject the last few weeks, and it's specifically because their allies at Disney fucked themselves.
My God how can you create this entire article, add in your admission that the article was off base, and then still hit the publish button?
“After loading my bank’s web page and before clicking the refresh button on my bank’s web page to make sure the checks from Koch cleared. Why, how do you do it?” – Boehm
The logic in this piece is so tortured and the reasoning so strained that I don’t know where to start. Take for example the notion that banning requirements by employers that their employees wear masks at work. How is that use of state power different from banning employers from requiring their employees to be white males? Another example might be banning public schools from teaching critical race theory to children. How is that different from banning public schools from reciting the pledge of allegiance? America has strayed so far from the concept of limited government and free markets since the ratification of the United States Constitution that it is almost meaningless to criticize one authoritarian’s abuse of power while approving another authoritarian’s use of power for something different. I happen to agree with the law against racial and gender discrimination but until the abuse of the interstate commerce clause is ruled unconstitutional it makes little sense for me to criticize the extension of federal rights to employees or customers of private businesses over other issues.
"America has strayed so far from the concept of limited government and free markets since the ratification of the United States Constitution"
The words 'limited government' or 'free market' don't appear in the US constitution. Did you have another country in mind?
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Reason talks about criminalizing in a bait and switch and then switch to political decisions. Did DeSantis arrest anyone from Disney? Did DeSantis arrest any political rivals? Reason conflates to confuse for political purposes. You may disagree with his actions, but he criminalized nothing.
That is much different from the IRS, FBI, DOJ and Atty. General targeting individuals for their politcal view or support of opposition candidates. It is much different from colluding with the Russians to develop fake intelligence and then holding a sham impeachment and Senate trial on that fake intelligence in a attempted bloodless coup. In a honest country those people (H. Clinton, Leaders in the DNC, certain FBI agents, and at least Adam Schiff in Congress) would have been charged with Russian collusion, election interference, conspiracy to commit sedition and sedtion in their blatant attempt to remove the sitting President of the US from office. Ironic that is exactly what they say Trump did, when the Democrats are the ones that are guilty.
You lost me when you said "DeSantis' so-called "Don't Say Gay" law".
If you refuse to call it by its actual name, then why would I listen to anything else you have to say on the topic?