Declaring a 'Right' to Housing Won't Solve Homelessness
Instead, try making it easier to build more housing!

Several California Assembly members this year introduced a constitutional amendment that declares housing a "fundamental right." Who knew? Lawmakers have wrestled with innumerable complex issues over the years, but finally someone realized that all they needed to do to magically solve any problem is to pass a new "right" to something.
Expected soon: constitutional amendments declaring "rights" to a million dollars, to a brand-new electric SUV, and to a dog that's properly housebroken. Sorry for the facetiousness, but Assembly Constitutional Amendment 10 epitomizes the lack of seriousness we've come to expect from the Legislature. Actually fixing the housing problem is a tough slog.
The legislation, which would need approval by California voters, is modeled on United Nations measures from 1948 and 1966 declaring similar rights. The world's housing stock has dramatically improved since then, but anyone who thinks that two toothless UN measures were the cause—rather than a booming market economy—really should claim the right to a therapist.
This proposed amendment is remarkably demanding. The Assembly analysis explains that the measure isn't a right to "shelter," which it finds inadequate. "The right to adequate housing should not be interpreted narrowly," it notes. "Rather, it should be seen as the right to live somewhere in security, peace, and dignity." Yet a state that can't provide basic shelter for 180,000 homeless people shouldn't be promising inchoate benefits such as dignity.
The legislation also defines the right to housing as "a right to protection from forced evictions, equal and nondiscriminatory access to housing, and that housing must be adequate." That means housing "with security of tenure; availability of services, materials, facilities, and infrastructure" along with a location that offers "cultural adequacy." Huh?
I have no idea what it means to have housing with "cultural adequacy," but I do know what it means to have "protection from forced evictions" and "security of tenure." That seems to mean that landlords would no longer be able to evict tenants for almost any reason, perhaps even including nonpayment of rent. That creates a practical (not to mention a constitutional) problem.
If a property owner can't properly vet tenants and potentially can't evict them, then they aren't going to invest in or rent out apartments. They certainly aren't going to make repairs to houses lived in by non-paying tenants, which will make the housing stock less adequate. We need more housing, not less, and such edicts discourage housing investment.
For precedent, ACA 10's supporters point to the state's "Human Right to Water" law declaring "that every human being has a right to safe, clean, affordable and accessible water adequate for human consumption, cooking, and sanitary purposes." Signed by then-Gov. Jerry Brown in 2012, it sounded noble. Who doesn't want everyone to have potable water?
But in the ensuing years, the state failed to provide clean drinking water to poor, farm-worker towns in the south San Joaquin Valley, even though the fix (hooking up those communities to infrastructure in neighboring water districts) was a tiny expense relative to the state budget. Apparently, the state is willing to grant human rights as it sees fit—but only if they're cheap and easy. Following that law's passage, the state continued to neglect its duty to build more water infrastructure.
So spare us these meaningless "rights" bills, which seem designed to result in press conferences rather than meaningful solutions. In fairness, some of ACA 10's goals are reasonable—e.g., pushing localities to approve more housing construction. But this law wouldn't accomplish that.
The state already is taking a serious approach toward deregulating land use through laws such as Senate Bills 9 and 10, which create a "by right" approval process for duplexes and mid-rise condos. The state also is battling NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) cities such as Huntington Beach, which are fighting the laws' implementation in the court system.
Those laws—and ones that reduce parking minimums and allow developers to build housing on commercial sites—were the result of hard work that involved tough negotiations, coalition building, and the usual legislative sausage-making. This "housing right" amendment is an affront to those efforts by pretending that there's a shortcut.
There's also much wrong philosophically with creating new "rights" via legislation and voter initiative. Historically, there are two types of rights—"negative" ones and "positive" ones. The former protects individuals from government usurpations. The First Amendment's speech protections ("Congress shall make no law …") is the premiere negative-right example.
By contrast, your positive right to housing means the government must force others to give it to you by taking their money (via taxation) or undermining their property rights (by limiting their right to evict you). Not only is that approach ethically wrong, but it will only lead to fewer available rentals. Then again, there's nothing we can do to rein in lawmakers' right to introduce worthless legislation.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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if you promise housing to those that refuse to work, all the bums rush to your state ... how hard is this to figure out
Yup. You pretty much get as much homelessness as you are willing to pay for.
Hey, it's not that big a deal. And it's a perfectly valid experiment for the western-most continental "laboratory of democracy" to try. Once housing becomes a right, it's a very small step to require homeowners with an unused bedroom to take them in - after all, refusing to do so would be violating one of that homeless person's constitutional rights. The old term for it is "quartering".
And no, the federal Constitution does not prevent the forcible quartering of the homeless, illegal alien or citizen. You thought it did, didn't you? It only prevents the forcible quartering of soldiers in times of peace. I'm all for states rights and California being allowed to run this experiment in their laboratory.
We still have to establish what an appropriate penalty for homeowners in California who refuse to get with the program:
(1) allow civil suits for monetary damages to the homeless
(2) allow condemnation of the house owned by the recalcitrant homeowner, plus or minus awarding title to the poor refused homeless person
(3) send a swat team to kill the homeowner who refuses to quarter the homeless along with all first order relatives who are found on premises
Nothing - nothing - is too good for the homeless who make the difficult journey to the land of milk and honey.
It only prevents the forcible quartering of soldiers in times of peace.
What is this "times of peace" you speak of?
Tough quarters for Raytheon and General Dynamics.
They have no intention of paying for it. They’re just pandering to losers and discouraging any sane person from being a landlord.
My comment was about the enormous amounts of money that already gets dumped into various homeless programs and non-profits.
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Just think how much housing we could free up!
Excuse me. As a proud sinister-American, I demand you respect my left-handedness.
Oh, wait...
Eco-friendly free dwellings for bums could be called a greenhut.
Lol. Nice.
Declaring a right to healthcare won’t stop Jeff from being obese.
You’re saying there’s a fat chance a universal right would solve that? This might weigh heavily on him.
His situation is indeed grave.
A gross understatement.
The gravity of his situation is inescapable. As he he is a massive idiot.
If we really want to reduce homelessness, forcing suburbs to allow in-law apartments won't do it. Allow the construction of cheap boardinghouse style buildings, with shared bathrooms, and the like, so that there are truly affordable options for people in dire straights. "Servants quarters" in Huntington Beach aren't going to exactly be low-price.
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More to the point, if you want affordable housing, the supply has to exceed the demand--and the practice for the last generation has been to actually do the opposite, through a combination of encouraging massive population growth via immigration (which actually began to skyrocket after Hart-Cellar was passed), ridiculously low interest rates on mortgages, especially after the Great Recession, and restrictions on multi-unit housing through zoning and crippling liability laws.
California is certainly the case study here, but Colorado and particularly the Front Range could also be included as a textbook case of multiple dumb policy decisions over the course of several years.
There's got to be a better balance to be struck in terms of building codes between "Everything falls over in an earthquake" Turkey style ones, and "Nothing can be built unless it will survive a 9.0 earthquake" California style ones. As well as "density in places that want density" and possibly even somewhat smaller 50's style homes.
I dunno. I basically want a 1 bedroom apartment with an attached four car garage, so I know I'm not the typical market...
I'd prefer a 6 car garage and a studio apartment - and the garage needs to have 14 foot tall doors. Haven't yet found anything like that here in San Diego - we do have plenty of bums though -
Year, "four" is me being reasonable, I could manage to make use of "16" but I'm never finding anything of the sort unless I build custom, and I'll likely never be able to afford that, so...
And yes, I suspect the immigration issue is a significant portion of why Albuquerque has had such a sharp growth in homelessness the last few years. I suspect a lot of previously marginally housable people have been pushed out of the bottom of the market via rising rates due to an influx of migrants. More likely illegal ones than from other states, here, although we have quite a few of those as well. I'm now paying 2/3rds of what I was last year for 1/3rd of the space, to be 20 minutes closer to work than I would have been in my old place. (I changed jobs in the interim.) And the place I'm in how is twice as expensive for half the space as the place I was in before that, which was admittedly living with a friend.
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Is this some kind of new hetero-normative-cis-shaming term?
Wake up Greenhut. By declaring housing to be a "right" that gives Government the ability to take from those who have and give to those who don't. This is one of the main steps to world Socialism. That's the objective.
You know who else declared housing to be a right?
Big Bad Wolf?
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Your ass is mine"
"Expected soon: constitutional amendments declaring "rights" to a million dollars, to a brand-new electric SUV, and to a dog that's properly housebroken."
Meh. What about the right to frequent sex with hotties that rate at least 8/10? The hoarding of pampered pussies and penises must stop. We demand orgasmic equity!
Men in drag are already demanding the right to sleep with women.
Specifically, women who are only attracted to other women.
Marxism is rape.
Try this with the next halfway decent socialist bitch you encounter: tell her you are willing to compromise and give her some of your monetary wealth if she is willing to give you proportional access to her snatch.
Tried that. For the following months she wore a mattress on her back all around campus.
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One has a fundamental right to own property. As long as one is forced to pay property taxes, one does not own one's property--the state does. SJWs, if they really cared about homelessness, should tackle what makes housing so unaffordable: property taxes, regulations, and monetary policy. But they are woketards who can't even do math because it's racist.
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Fix mental illness and drug addiction and you fix homelessness. They're not on the streets because they couldn't find an apartment.
In 2019, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) estimated that roughly 36% of all homeless people suffered from a substance use disorder, a mental health condition, or both. So fixing these things will not completely fix the homeless issue. Housing affordability is heavily impacted by taxes, regulations, and monetary policy, and these factors must be considered when considering "fixing" homelessness.
I don’t believe those numbers. Their estimate is incredibly low.
Don't forget that "homeless" includes the people who are on the street because of poor financial decisions or loss of job, as well as a substantial portion of runaway teens, and numerically those are the majority, but they are only homeless for a few weeks to months. Now, the chronically homeless have a much higher rate of addiction and illness. Even many who start out fine can sink into addiction due to the hard times quite easily.
You have to be careful because the temporary and chronic homeless have completely different causes and have to have completely different solutions.
There's that racist math again...
'Supporting' 10 million new illegals under Biden, including housing education and health care won't solve it either.
"They (landlords) certainly aren't going to make repairs to houses lived in by non-paying tenants, which will make the housing stock less adequate."
Don't worry. The state will pass a law allowing non-paying tenants to sue their landlord if they don't make repairs to their property.
Of course. If they have the "right" to force someone else to provide them housing, they have the "right" to force them to provide them housing in good repair.
"Why don't you think people deserve to have housing?"
These aren't useful conversations. "Assume a right" is the equivalent of "assume a ladder" or "assume we print more money."
These conversations get much shorter when you simply ask "how much will this cost, and where will we get the money."
When they answer "it doesn't matter" and "tax the rich" then you know you're talking to children or politicians.
This would be a good time for a conversation about negative rights vs positive rights.
It would. Everyone has a right to housing, and they can exercise that right by getting money together and renting or buying some housing, or finding someone willing to put them up for free.
Positive rights that allow people to demand that others give them stuff are abomination and an abuse of the language.
One thing I notice sometimes when watching tv and movies from a long time ago is how living situations that were once common are now illegal. For example families sharing small spaces or shacks with dirt floors. A negative right to housing would require the government to get out of the way and let people live however they want to live, so long as they're not interfering with the life, liberty and property of other people.
Yes. 25-35% of housing stock in American cities used to be boarding houses. Which was the main reason Americans were mobile and able to seek better opportunities anywhere, Those are now pretty much illegal in every city and certainly in the 70%+ or so of city area that is limited to single-family residence.
One person I spoke with about this pointed to the GI Bill. She said that until then it was common for multiple generations to live under the same roof. After WWII the government promised every soldier a place of their own, and by their own that means the kids better move out as soon as they are old enough to enlist. Single-family zoning became popular to enforce this.
The original zoning codes are also about boarding houses. Dating back to the Victorian era, boarding houses were seen as the places where greasy smelly foreign people intermixed with brown and black people and women of unsavory reputation and others new to town. Plus they needed places like laundries and smelly food places nearby. If that’s not the road to perdition then there is no such road.
But yeah the GI Bill and mortgage subsidies and redlining and white flight all changed the politics of zoning promises after WW2. Renters aren’t as eager about zoning
The very first zoning ordinances were in CA in the 1880's. To prohibit laundries. Partially to keep the Chinese out of the neighborhood and partially because almost all boarding houses required a laundry nearby.
Those are now pretty much illegal in every city and certainly in the 70%+ or so of city area that is limited to single-family residence.
So what is Air Bnb? I rented a room for 3 months when I got to Austin.
Airbnb is a vacation rental, not a boarding house, and according to Airbnb’s data from 2018, the average length of stay for an Airbnb guest is 3.3 nights. Do you need me to provide a link to a search engine so you can understand the difference?
There have been plenty of articles in Reason about cities going after Airbnb for getting around laws that prohibit the boarding JFree was talking about. Chucky knows this. Don't ever confuse him with someone who is intellectually honest.
Take a hike pussy, you’re done.
And the "70% + or so of city area that is limited to single-family residence" is plain factoid-packed, fact free, utter nonsense snatched from the ether.
Even if you make sense of "70+% of city area that's limited to single-family residence" (dwelling or residence? 70% of the city is limited to single-family dwellings or of the portion limited to single-family dwellings, only 70+% certainly forbids flophouses?), boarding houses, hostels, inns, cottages/BnBs, etc., etc. have spanned the range from small single-family homes to small (or even not very small) multi-family/multi-dwelling apartment buildings for decades/generations. The retardation of single-family dwellings is obviously his personal bias. As the move/push to luxury high rise rentals exert the same downward pressure on flophouses and are similarly, if not far more numerous in downtown neighborhoods.
At least if he'd said "Forfty percent of the city area..." it would've been humorous.
Look at your own city. Here’s mine – Denver. R1 in light yellow. I’m not talking about the suburbs which are as high as you can get.
And that zoning has become more pervasive over the decades so it’s not like it was ‘farmland’ before it became R1. In 1960, LA was zoned to a 10 million peeps capacity – with 2.5 million peeps there. Now it is zoned for 4.3 million capacity with that many there. LA itself is the same area it was in 1960. BTW - LA is 75% R1 zoned. That capacity reduction is probably grossly overstated but it still gets to the whole purpose of zoning. An intent to reduce capacity and create artificial scarcity via regulation. Shut the fucking door. No one else is allowed in. And now that it is full and can’t grow, the current homeowners can extract economic rent from any fool who wants to move to LA. Forever.
This creates a huge opportunity for a truly local focus on creating a free city. No decisions or data are federal. Ideologues ideas are always easy to discern as crap when it comes to local decisions. It’s very easy to discover which cities should just be crossed off as already owned by zoners. v open to growth. Let the former die. That’s what they want. Move to the latter.
Libertarians won’t do this because they are overwhelmingly suburban in orientation not urban. R’s are that too – plus old as fuck. D’s are old and owned by bureaucrats.
OK, you tried, but didn't really address my first point. Even confounding your own stupidity specifically, you say "25-35% of housing stock in American cities used to be boarding houses." setting aside the utter bullshit cherry picking you used to get this statistic (25% of cities in 1800? 1850? 1900? All of the above? Does that data toss out or lump in suburbs the same way you did or) it's not inconsistent with "71% of those cities were single-unit residential."
Failing to adequately address my first point you don't even touch my second point. If the rising rent levels benefit single-unit owners, they also benefit multi-unit owners multiply. Which, numerically will push down harder on flophouses and boarding houses harder than single-unit housing specifically in opposition to your retarded, per-land-volume assertions. Being clear, your .5 acre 1 family row house is going to bring in less money in rent and fewer renters that your a boarding house, but even a modest 8 story high rise on the same .5 acre is going to bring in more rent and squeeze out more people than the single-family home.
First, your retardation was a bit puzzling in the classic sarcasmic "70% of people say X, 20% of people say Y, how can both be true?" fashion. Now, it's more plainly clear that you're trying to fabricate a completely bullshit narrative.
The difference isn't clear to me.
"Historically, there are two types of rights—"negative" ones and "positive" ones. The former protects individuals from government usurpations. The First Amendment's speech protections ("Congress shall make no law …") is the premiere negative-right example.
By contrast, your positive right to housing means the government must force others to give it to you by taking their money (via taxation) or undermining their property rights (by limiting their right to evict you)."
If I don't pay rent, the land lord calls the police who will come with guns and knives and force me out, even killing me, if I put up resistance. A negative right to housing would prevent this usurpation.
By contrast, your positive right to housing means the government must force others to give it to you by taking their money (via taxation) or undermining their property rights (by limiting their right to evict you).”
Yes.
If I don’t pay rent, the land lord calls the police who will come with guns and knives and force me out, even killing me, if I put up resistance. A negative right to housing would prevent this usurpation.
No. A negative right to housing would mean the government can't prevent you from entering into a contract with a landlord. Doesn't mean the government stops enforcing contracts.
"Doesn’t mean the government stops enforcing contracts."
A negative right to housing would stop the government from evicting you, wouldn't it? Isn't that why land lords oppose such a right?
No, that's backwards. A positive right puts an obligation on others while a negative right only requires non-interference.
A positive right to housing would mean the landlord can't kick you out, because that right puts an obligation on others to put a roof over your head.
The right to keep and bear arms is a great example of a negative right. It doesn't put an obligation on others. You don't even have to do it. It just means the government can't stop you.
"A positive right to housing would mean the landlord can’t kick you out,"
I see your point, but a negative right to housing would mean that the government (police etc) can't kick you out.
"I see your point, but a negative right to housing would mean that the government (police etc) can’t kick you out."
Again, no. That would be the government asserting your positive right to a place to live over the property rights of the landlord.
A negative right would mean that the government can't kick you out because you're place isn't up to code or violates some zoning ordinance.
"That would be the government asserting your positive right to a place to live over the property rights of the landlord. "
I don't see how that's so. A negative right to housing means the government can't evict you. It doesn't mean the landlord can't evict you. A negative right to free speech means the government can't censor you. It doesn't mean that your employer can't censor you.
I'm curious about a related matter. If we have no right, positive or negative, to housing, how about our rights to homelessness? Do we have a right to live without a home, presumably on public land? If not, it would seem to put some of us, those without the means to buy or rent a house, in an impossible bind, at the mercy of arbitrary government authority.
“A negative right to housing means the government can’t evict you. It doesn’t mean the landlord can’t evict you.”
Now this is getting confusing.
A negative right to housing means that all you need to have that right is the government not standing in the way. For example saying you can't build unless you follow their rules. However when the landlord evicts you from his property for whatever reason, and you tell him to screw, the government should back the landlord.
"A negative right to housing means that all you need to have that right is the government not standing in the way. "
You're right about confusing. So we have no right, positive or negative, to housing. Is that your position? If a landlord decides to evict you, for any reason, or no reason at all, the government is correct to step and kick you out, even killing you if you resist? If someone convinces the government to bulldoze your house so they can build a factory, you have no right to stop them? Seems very unsatisfactory to me.
The problem I have with this conversation is the concept that a right means something is provided to you. A right would simply mean that the government cannot interfere. Not that they must provide.
I agree that positive rights aren't what libertarians would consider to be rights, but that's the terminology we use in the English language.
That's why this is a good conversation to have.
It helps to point out the distinction between negative and positive rights to better argue in favor for the former and against the latter.
People who want something for nothing is trying to redefine the term.
They’re not redefining anything. It’s already defined. What those people are trying to do is conflate negative and positive rights. That’s what makes this conversation important. So when they say “Why do you support this right but not that right?” you can tell them “Because I support negative rights, not positive rights.” And then explain the difference.
Positive Rights don’t actually exist, they are a confabulation of Marxists.
True Rights are inherent, and don’t involve anyone else’s obligation
The concept of positive rights existed long before Marx. His ideas were nothing new. And while I agree that using the term "right" to describe an obligation put upon others is butchery of the language, it's the terminology people use.
It's still a way that people use the word "rights". And words get their meaning through usage. I agree that the idea of positive rights is absurd, but sadly people like you and I don't have the clout to preserve that meaning. Words exist for all kinds of absurdities.
So we have to say things like "negative rights" or "natural rights" to make sure our meaning is clear.
So we have to say things like “negative rights” or “natural rights” to make sure our meaning is clear.
In addition to that we need to explain what those things mean, because they certainly don’t teach it in school.
Do you think you could chime in above to mtrueman? I'm having a difficult time explaining myself well.
“Do you think you could chime in above to mtrueman? I’m having a difficult time explaining myself well.”
Because you haven’t thought this through. With rights comes comes responsibilities. Opposite sides of the same coin. Everybody here is obsessing over rights, and quibbling over the difference between positive and negative, but not a word has been mentioned about the responsibilities of those who enjoy the rights. If everyone sloughs off these responsibilities, they will fall to the government, and you won’t like the results.
“True Rights are inherent, and don’t involve anyone else’s obligation”
They incur responsibilities. Something you seem determined to remain ignorant of.
"...They incur responsibilities. Something you seem determined to remain ignorant of."
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You don't have a right to force someone else to house you. It's the landlord's property, not yours. You would be violating the landlord's rights.
"You don’t have a right to force someone else to house you."
But the government has the right to force you from your home, whether it's because you haven't paid your rent, or someone wants to tear down your home to build a shopping center of factory.
No, it doesn't have the right. But it does have the power.
So the question of rights or no rights seems irrelevant. Two bald men fighting over a comb.
The government acts as a proxy for the landlord in this case. As a landlord, I would much prefer to enforce evictions of my property myself. The law just defines a consistent procedure for eviction and removal.
It would. It might also be useful to discuss conflicting rights. 'Rights' ain't the best term imo - but it is what it is.
Completely missing from this article is any notion that CA (like most states) already has its thumbs firmly on the scale of direct governmental interference designed to increase the price of existing homes for the benefit of existing homeowners. And that directly comes at the expense of anyone more on the housing margin. And the only response in this article is a - fuck you that's why?
And the only response in this article is a – fuck you that’s why?
Probably the same reason *you* keep avoiding talking about CA *also* thumbs the scales in favor of renters and developers as well.
IDK about CA developer subsidies but regardless developers mostly make their money speculating on land prices. In most places - most of the time.
Subsidies for renters are ALWAYS merely subsidies for landlords. ALWAYS. 100%.
Again, you continue to paint pictures with half a brush. Sure, subsidies are one way to thumb the scale but rent control and the CDC freezing evictions are thumbing the scale in a manner that favors renters. Do you really think people are so stupid as to never have heard of rent control or don’t remember the CDC’s actions? Why would you even try to broadly insult people’s intelligence like that.
And, to my point and to answer the obvious question as people got more broadly wealthy, whether they were homeowners, apartment dwellers, hotel clients, or AirBnB/VRBO users, they didn’t want to live next to homeless shelters, flophouses, and boarding houses… and even that assumes your rosy-eyed “35% of all houses were boarding houses” is, in any way, any more real than the Conservatives' anachronistic notions of the 50s.
Your notion of boarding houses being flophouses and SRO's dates back to the 1950's and 1960's. AFTER mortgages were created and then subsidized and neighborhoods were redlined and white flight went to the suburbs (where obviously there had never been boarding houses) and city populations were declining and the mental hospitals were being shut down.
This is a pointless discussion. Like everything here. ok You're right. Cities never actually grew pulling people in from the country. They just magically appeared with single family houses and mortgage loans in hand and then declined from there.
Fucking pointless.
It should be easy to solve homelessness. We just need to redefine "housing". Let's say that anyone with a roof over their head at night at least 30% of the time is "housed". We'll define "roof" as traditional construction, cardboard, metal, fabric (tent/tarp), or thick leafy canopy. Then homelessness magically goes away.
For political purposes, we've already redefined man, woman, recession, vaccine, and justice. It looks like we've even redefined Whitehouse security. Let's redefine housing too.
" Let’s redefine housing too."
Some 20% of office and commercial space in Los Angeles is empty. That's seen as a problem in itself. A little redefinition should make it available for human habitation. Solve two problems in a single stroke.
That happened all around the country thanks to zoning not keeping up with remote work.
Retail is also being replaced by online shopping like Amazon. It seems 'zoning' is but a convenient scapegoat. If we were serious about 'solving homelessness' the solutions are fairly straight forward and possible. In New York, according to sources, 48,000 floors of real estate sit empty.
It’s expensive and difficult to run new plumbing and electrical for housing through concrete floors of former office buildings.
Office buildings have old plumbing and electricity. Perhaps residents would have to use communal toilets and kitchens, like office workers.
Good luck getting them to amend the building codes to allow for that.
They will amend the codes if they think their careers are at stake. Easiest way to do that is to take it to the streets. Mass actions, civil disobedience, occupations and so forth. Trouble is the middle class is tied up in keeping the status quo of high prices for housing. And there's no class solidarity with the homeless. If anything they are viewed with contempt as human garbage. Just read the comments on this page for quick confirmation.
Well, this is why I say we need to dial the zoning back to allow for multi-unit shared facility living. Bring Back Boardinghouses!
I dunno, it might not work, but it seems like it might be a good use of empty office structures if people never return to the office after work from home. It'd also allow less expensive new construction of places for people to live cheap. Or maybe I vastly overestimate how much of a difference it would make.
Zoning isn’t a scapegoat, it’s usually the vehicle the city governments use to push their agendas of big houses, but lots, “higher end” residents. Also, you will never “solve homelessness”. You might be able to solve affordability, but it would take a massive shift in the MARKET to bring down average home sizes. Too many people want to live like the 1%, and us developers are happy to oblige their 4000 sf dream home because it will hopefully mean more money in our pockets.
The vacant office space could be converted into pickleball courts.
Maybe if we just redefine problem as solution we could shortcut all our problems?
That's even better. Homelessness is not a problem. It's the solution to multiple problems. If one owns a home, then they're stuck with a non-liquid asset that consumes a large portion of their income. If one rents, then they're often stuck with a lease. Being homeless saves you money and sets you free!
"Being homeless saves you money and sets you free!"
Most people don't want freedom. They prefer tie themselves up in onerous obligations for the comfort and security that a roof over your head provides.
Rofl. Are you sure you shouldn't be governor somewhere?
Or be elected to the house.
LOL. I'll be announcing my campaign soon.
It already is defined that way. Even by many of them. It's then made illegal via anti-camping ordinances.
Many homeless don't WANT an apartment or a house. They don't want to spend money on furniture. Or ungodly amounts on rent for someone else's property. Some may want to remain mobile.
Is that really the source of offense? Or a solution to anything?
Another insanely idiotic article from a Californian about California.
California saw the ACA and thought 'why not apply this to everything!'
Even plantation owners in the south didn't think they had a 'right' to the labor of slaves, they still had to purchase them.
It should be obvious that no one has the right to force someone else to provide them housing. But in this day and age...
Not that obvious. Many people think the government can just magically provide things for people. Or as Bastiat put it back in 1848: "Government is the great fiction where everyone endeavors to live at the expense of everyone else"
Or as I like to put it, people think government is some kind of magical wish granting machine.
The only program that has even a slight chance of "fixing" the homelessness problem would be to arrest homeless people, evaluate them for drug addiction and severe mental illness and forcibly try to prevent them from taking drugs or alcohol; and force them to take psychiatric treatment including medications. Given the notorious ease with which incarcerated criminals are able to obtain contraband in prison, I double down on the "slight chance" of success I give this tactic. Then there's the constitutional rights issue of rounding up homeless people. But by all means virtue signal their "right" to housing if it makes you feel better.
""Declaring a 'Right' to Housing Won't Solve Homelessness""
Nope. I don't think that's the goal.
The goal is to give work to activist that went to law school.
NYC is learning that declaring it a right is problematic. Money needed for resources cannot appear out of thin air. Even if you have the money resources (physical living spaces) don't appear out of thin air.
Sanctuary cities are already crying foul because they can handle what the name implies.
Their budgets can't cash the check their mouths write.
As usual people are asking the wrong question.
Poverty has been the default for mankind up until a few centuries ago. Back when the country was founded something like 90% of the world lived in poverty. Now it's closer to 10%, and the world population has increased dramatically at the same time.
What causes homelessness? A lack of wealth. May as well ask what causes silence or what causes darkness.
Here's the correct question to ask: What causes wealth creation? The correct thing to do is answer that question and then get the fuck out of the way.
""and then get the fuck out of the way.""
Governmental and activist busybodies will always get in the way. Their overvalued self-worth can't not do it.
Sorry, but you're simply wrong. A lack of wealth does not cause homelessness. Over ninety percent of the so-called homeless are living on the streets because of severe mental illness and drug or alcohol addiction. America has so much excess wealth that it would be no problem whatsoever to carry the few poor people who would be left if it were simply a matter of unemployability. Severe mental disability and hopeless substance addiction resist all attempts, regardless of cost, to shelter those people. They rob and kill each other and innocent bystanders, trash their temporary housing and spend all of their food money on drugs or alcohol. The problem is that the Constitution, as currently interpreted by the courts, forbids rounding up dangerous people and forcing them into secure shelters for forcible treatment.
You missed my point. The question isn't what causes homelessness. The question is how to allow the homeless to create wealth. You are correct in that mental illness and chemical dependency are major contributors. The question though is why can't these people find someplace to live.
What are the barriers?
Here's a short list off the top of my head. Minimum wage and other labor laws prevent many of these people from getting menial jobs, not to mention criminal records for committing victimless crimes. Take those barriers away and now these people still won't be able to find a cheap room in a boarding house because those have been legislated away with zoning and other laws. Heaven forbid they want to start a business. Legal compliance makes free enterprise prohibitively expensive for many people.
Before doing stuff to help the homeless, first we should try undoing stuff.
I agree that all of those things would greatly help the poor and homeless to get somewhere with their lives. But I also think that a lot of the largely mentally ill and drug addicted long-term street homeless stay there by choice or by inability to do anything else.
There are people who like being homeless. No roots or strings. They can figuratively or literally hop a train any time they want. No job, bank account or landlord to worry about. To them it’s freedom. Not a lifestyle I would choose, but there is something romantic about being a hobo.
As far as people who can’t help themselves goes, that’s where I’m ambivalent. Like you said, some do appreciate help that is forced upon them. On the other hand empowering people to forcefully help others for their own good always leads to abuse of that power. Is it worth it? I don't know.
" but there is something romantic about being a hobo."
Woody Guthrie would agree. But I don't think many of the homeless today spend a lot of time hopping on trains. Mostly it's an urban thing. They call themselves 'freegans' and feed, clothe and house themselves off what we discard, without the encumbrances of jobs, money, property etc. At least that's the idea.
"On the other hand empowering people to forcefully help others"
You don't need to be empowered to help people. You are more than capable of helping people as it stands. If you are waiting for some 'empowerment' before you lift a hand to help the needy, then nothing will be done.
The problem is that the Constitution, as currently interpreted by the courts, forbids rounding up dangerous people and forcing them into secure shelters for forcible treatment.
We tried that, and the institutions were a horror show. Though I'm not sure that living in a tent is that much better. There are other options though, like allowing them to work and allowing cheap boarding.
Yeah, I'm not so sure that the institutions were more of a horror show than the current situation for the junky/mentally ill segment of the homeless. I have great reservations about forced institutionalization, but sometimes there are no good options. And people often do later express gratitude that they were forced to get help.
Someone above claimed 36%, so that's a significant difference that's going to need some cites from someone.
I'd believe that 90% of the chronically homeless have those issues. But there are definitely people who are homeless due to circumstance without substance problems.
Declaring a 'Right' to Housing Won't Solve Homelessness
Instead, try making it easier to build more housing!
Because the drug addicts and nutjobs that make up most of the homeless can totally handle the costs and responsibilities of a home, they just can't find one.
Just when I think Reason can't get any dumber...
Making it easier to build housing would bring down the cost (supply and demand), making it easier for many homeless to afford a place to live.
Just when you think the commentariat can't get any dumber...
"Making it easier to build housing would bring down the cost"
Average 1 bedroom apartment in Los Angeles is $2,400 a month. And would current homeowners want to increase the housing stock to bring the prices down? Wouldn't that also bring down the value of their own homes?
Of course homeowners want their assets protected. Just like businesses like it when government hobbles their competition. Doesn't make it right.
"Of course homeowners want their assets protected."
Good point. When homes become 'assets' it leads to all manner of perverse incentives.
"...When homes become ‘assets’ it leads to all manner of perverse incentives."
Yeah, something which costs a great deal of money should never be an 'asset', right? Well, this is trueman, behold:
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"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
It could cost $100, and 80% of street bums couldn’t handle the responsibility
It's not just the commentariat. The rest of us realize that, although bringing down the cost of housing by allowing the supply of housing to increase might help the few competent but poor people afford housing, it won't help the homelessness problem even a little bit because the vast majority of homeless people aren't homeless because they can't afford housing. But keep pretending to be dumb if you enjoy it.
In my experience there are three types of homeless. There are those who are temporarily knocked off their feet. They will help themselves. There are those who choose it as a lifestyle. They don't want nor need help. The third type, the ones with mental illness and/or substance abuse problems, those are the ones to focus on. I addressed that in a comment above and would rather not repeat myself.
And who wants to rent to obvious drug addicts? I’ve had to clean up, and bear the expenses, of that bullshit before. I have zero sympathy for these miserable pieces of shit.
I give zero fucks if someone wants let drug addiction ruin their own life, but I will NOT be dragged down by their bullshit.
How about the right to build housing? If you own property you can put housing on it.
That is the right that was lost. The lack of housing flows from the loss of property rights.
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A right to housing won’t solve homelessness. But it will accomplish the supporters actual goal which is shoveling money to leftists who pretend to care about homelessness.
Homelessness is not about housing. It is almost solely due to mental illnesses and drug addiction. This isn't really debatable.
Exactly. And those people can’t handle taking care of even a modest apartment. No one wants to deal with them.
“There’s also much wrong philosophically with creating new “rights” via legislation and voter initiative. Historically, there are two types of rights—”negative” ones and “positive” ones. The former protects individuals from government usurpations. The First Amendment’s speech protections (“Congress shall make no law …”) is the premiere negative-right example.
By contrast, your positive right to housing means the government must force others to give it to you by taking their money (via taxation) or undermining their property rights (by limiting their right to evict you). Not only is that approach ethically wrong, but it will only lead to fewer available rentals. Then again, there’s nothing we can do to rein in lawmakers’ right to introduce worthless legislation.”
Until we get the lefties to at least acknowledge this, pretty much every further conversation is doomed to failure.
Well, it's not really a conversation. The lefties have successfully imposed their narrative incrementally over several decades while totally ignoring any logic or facts or actual track records of their programme; and demonizing anyone who tries to roll back the ongoing disaster, or even disagree with the narrative.
They'll acknowledge that that is the nature of positive rights (if not the ethical/moral part) if you push the question enough. But they think it's a good thing. I know several people who really think that government forcing people to pay for others' needs is preferable to letting people do it voluntarily, even if the outcome is the same.
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"...Actually fixing the housing problem is a tough slog..."
CA could make a great start if the governments didn't pay people to be bums.
The primary reasons that homelessness has expanded in California: Availability of funds. The homeless industrial complex has no desire to fix the problem. It provides employment for so called advocates and these same advocates think they know what is best.
Prison release. Sorry, pure Libertarians, but there is a direct correlation between the loosing of crime rules and the increase in those on the street. Lack of desire to incarcerate or institutionalize criminals and the seriously addicted. The lack of adequate mental health services for those that seek help and an unwillingness to imposed forced help on others.
"right to live somewhere in security, peace, and dignity" LA and San Fran would be out since their is no security and peace.
Same if you apply it to other state and cities - Portland, Philly, Detriot.
Nice bill here that doesn't define anything. Go Blue
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