Canada Is Poaching America's High-Skilled Foreign Workers
It’s an entirely predictable consequence of an inhospitable immigration system.

The United States doesn't make it easy for talented foreigners to permanently settle in the country, even if they work in critical fields and stay in legal status. For workers on H-1B visas, a nonimmigrant classification reserved for highly skilled, highly specialized laborers, it can take years to adjust to a green card. For Indian nationals, it can take decades.
Canada is taking note. Yesterday, Minister of Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship Sean Fraser announced the launch of Canada's first "Tech Talent Strategy." Among other "aggressive attraction measures," the framework will create "an open work permit stream for H-1B specialty occupation visa holders in the US to apply for a Canadian work permit, and study or work permit options for their accompanying family members."
"America hasn't streamlined its immigration system in over two decades," says Sam Peak, a senior policy analyst at Americans for Prosperity. "Canadian policy makers continue to find new ways to take advantage of that."
As of September 2019, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services estimated that there were 583,420 authorized-to-work H-1B holders in the country. Because a given country's nationals can only receive 7 percent of the green cards issued in a given year, and because roughly three-quarters of America's H-1B workers are Indian, there's a massive backlog of workers waiting to adjust to permanent residency. The Cato Institute's David J. Bier reports that the U.S. government "is currently processing the green card applications of H-1B workers from India whose employers applied for them in 2011 or 2012." Over a third of H-1B holders reported being in the U.S. for over a decade, according to a 2021 Carnegie Endowment for International Peace paper.
Work visa holders in the U.S. "must constantly seek approval from multiple government agencies to extend their stay, switch employers, and freely travel," notes Peak. "As bureaucratic backlogs continue to balloon everywhere, it's becoming a new normal for people to put their jobs, families, and lives on hold for months due to paperwork delays."
H-1B holders have much less job mobility than similarly skilled American workers. If they're out of work for over 60 days, they have to self-deport. And their children are only lawfully present in the U.S. until they're 21—if they don't secure a different temporary or permanent status before then, they have to self-deport, too. Green card backlogs force many to do so.
These factors can make the U.S. seem inhospitable to prospective workers and those who are already here. "Because the H-1B system comes with so many bureaucratic strings attached, countless workers are finding it unsustainable to build a family and future in America," Peak says. "We've already lost more than 20,500 Indians to Canada's Global Talent Stream program from 2017–2019."
The Canadian government says the streamlined H-1B pathway will be available starting July 16. "Approved applicants will receive an open work permit of up to three years in duration, which means they will be able to work for almost any employer anywhere in Canada," explains a press release. The program will remain in effect for one year, or until Canada's immigration bureau receives 10,000 applications.
More and more governments are looking to lure away international students and high-skilled foreign workers who are unsatisfied with the U.S. immigration system. Until the U.S. gets its act together, our loss will be other countries' gain.
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A-ha!
That explains why Fiona's sugar daddy Charles Koch has lost over $5 billion this year.
#BlameCanada
So, freedom of movement while they're coming, but not while they're going? They aren't your indentured servants.
I was gonna say, now she thinks those foreigners belong to us? Christ, these open borders nuts really do want slaves. No wonder they're so fond of the H1B program.
Every single economic argument made in favor of open borders is identical to the economics of slavery.
All of them.
Yes, they want slaves. I've been saying that here for several years.
I've just never seen it spelled out by the person making the argument so frankly before. Usually you have to kind of infer it. Not here!
I don't think she's saying that the workers *shouldn't* go to Canada, only that it is understandable that they are going seeing as how the American system is so awful.
It’s the biggest tragedy since Republicans freed the Democrats slaves.
I agree. Her statement is of facts not supposition. It took my friend 10 yrs. to work at a lower salary for a high tech company traveling the world as one of their highest requested techs. to earn the $$ to apply for citizenship. Such a slap in the face to all willing to work to aid an American industry then learn about our constitution which most citizens have little knowledge of and pay $10K in order to become a citizen is not the way to keep skilled people ! If they can find a way to endure the lifestyle in another country with hopes of earning high salaries then perhaps retiring elsewhere why would they put up with what America "offers" ?
That is OK. Not losing sleep over it.
They're just being poached, like, off the king's hunting grounds.
Fun fact: Poached eggs are 'underdone' because you had to cook them quickly before you were caught.
"They aren’t your indentured servants."
Yes, they are.
That's why Corporations prefer them over native workers.
Silicon Valley laughs at you.
you can check out any time you'd like ...
It's about Canada not California.
"H-1B visas, a nonimmigrant classification reserved for highly skilled, highly specialized laborers"
Bullshit.
Every single H1B holder I worked with was a run of the mill, average talent programmer working for a consulting company.
Every single one.
I've known a couple from Canada who knew their shit and were direct employees, but that was nearly 25 years ago.
The direct employees do tend to be a different breed than the hires of the warm body contract companies.
Excuse me - my friend was H1B and highly skilled computer tech that traveled the world for one of our largest tech firms. He did this for 10 yrs at a much lower salary to save to pay to become a citizen.
Honestly, how smart could he be if it took him 10 years to save $10K? Was he working for cookies?
Hey look at Boeing they did great by just outsourcing the programming of the max 7474 safety programming to India!
I'm actually NOT going to come in here and bitch about what Fiona said in this article. What I will "bitch" about, or more accurately, point out, is there are layers of complications going on with Canada that are being ignored here.
Again, this sudden pivot to "talented workers" in regards to the discussion about immigration writ large. It's important to note that Canada hasn't mocked the US's immigration system at the southern border and shouted "send them to us!". They are specifically on the hunt for potentially high paying, high earning immigrants. And... this is completely rational.
Canada has comprehensive, free healthcare. Their domestic birth rates are falling-- so to Canada's credit, they're doing the only thing they can do to sustain the Canadian Dream: Bring in reliable, tax-paying, revenue-generating labor.
Canada isn't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, and because they love Indian Curry, they're doing it because their survival depends on it. And increasingly in America, so does ours. However, UNLIKE Canada, America's retarded immigration system seems to be "put talented workers through a years-long, byzantine system of restrictions, but sit idly by while hundreds of thousands of unskilled laborers walk in through the southern entrance."
What if we hired some talented foreign workers to deal with the southern border?
Ok, maybe not.
Or we could simply implement Mexico’s immigration laws.
I mean, they have to be better than our horrible laws, right?
Implementation is one thing. Enforcement is another entirely. :-/
"They’re doing the only thing they can do to sustain the Canadian Dream"
Is the Canadian Dream to go extinct and be replaced by imported foreigners?
The Canadian Dream For Our Time.
Temporary permits are temporary. More news at 11.
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
Switch the family lottery for skill based visas. You won't get many arguments Fiona. But that's not what you actually want.
If people think I'm hostile to bringing in large numbers of hard-working, socially conservative families who harbor strong, traditional family values from India, Pakistan or China who desperately want to live in low-cost, low-crime suburban enclaves and start nuclear families, you've got another thing coming.
I'm for any "great replacement" that greatly replaces the urban upzoning hip-swivelers who want to destroy the nuclear family, global capitalism, the patriarchy and my detached single-family dwelling in the name of "equity".
Me: State your purpose.
"Brown" people: To live in detached, single family house with BIG back yard, and drive BEEG American car! WITH TAILFINS!
Me: Awesome, come on in. And tell your friends and family we're open for business too!
"bringing in large numbers of hard-working, socially conservative families who harbor strong, traditional family values from India, Pakistan or China who desperately want to live in low-cost, low-crime suburban enclaves and start nuclear families"
Sounds great, but they're still going to vote 80+% for the left and big government
Import Not Americans
Become Not America
Canada Is Poaching America's High-Skilled Foreign Workers.
Don't forget the hollandaise sauce.
Canada Is Poaching America's High-Skilled Foreign Workers
With vinegar or without? And are they swirling the water?
And - uhm - are they Foreign Workers or American Workers? Because I'm pretty sure America outlawed slavery so 'workers' don't belong to America - esp not 'foreign workers'.
Gosh! It's almost as if the Republicans, the Democrats and the career bureaucrats are working AGAINST the best interests of the American people. Of course, many of those Americans are cluelessly busying themselves trying to elect politicians and give them more power to undermine our best interests, so they deserve what they get whether they want it or not when they get it. But the rest of us do NOT deserve to have our government destroy our economy for the sake of a cynical social policy.
You know, more posts like this and I'll be dangerously close to becoming a...cynic.
*gasp*
More like: Canada is poaching America's high-skilled foreign workers who were imported to replace America's high-skilled native workers who were inconveniently paid too much for doing the same work (and better).
So much for "learn to code."
Sorry you got replaced bro.
Learn to code HARDER.
My earlier comment from: https://reason.com/2023/06/26/how-other-countries-benefit-from-americas-dysfunctional-immigration-system/?comments=true#comments
"Here’s our story:
Four years back we hired a very talented software engineer who had just graduated from an American university. He’s Indian, super nice guy, lots of fun, everyone loves him. He wanted to stay in the US and become a citizen. Unfortunately, he lost the H1B visa lottery three years in a row and he was forced to go back to India.
I was super pissed. Here we have a guy who was educated in America, who is helping push forward our American company and now he has to go back to India? I mean, what the fuck?
So I talked to him and asked if he’d like to open an office in Bengaluru and I’d kept paying him his American salary? He was down for it. So we now have an Indian PLC and we are hiring additional Indian developers and all the taxes and salaries are now going to India instead.
Fuck US immigration policy.
I am saving a fortune on software developer salaries though."
Copypasta of shit that didn't happen doesn't make it real.
One time, 20 years ago, a bunch of my Mexican relatives snuck into the country, and after spending a lot of time here and starting their own businesses, it turns out that being 'illegal' or 'undocumented' is kind of a pain in the ass when you're in your 40's and some kids and have some successful businesses and don't particularly wish to be deported back to Mexico, but might want to be allowed back if you choose to visit.
Our Matriarch died a few years back and people wanted to go.
So, it's kind of a pain in the - well - every sense of the way - but it turns out that it's possible to legally establish residency if you have no criminal record and have generally been a decent citizen. In some cases, depending on the circumstances, you can actually apply for citizenship, and people are generally approved if they meet the criteria.
Not saying we can't reform or streamline the process - I think we should, but to pretend it's impossible is factually false.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/were-midst-coup-martin-armstrong-warns-neocons-will-rig-2024-election
Armstrong also says the neocons will try to start a war before the 2024 election so Biden will win because a wartime president has never lost an election. Armstrong says the cheating will be necessary because the real poll numbers for Biden are in the single digits and not the 40% approval ratings the Lying Legacy Media tells you. Armstrong contends Biden’s approval number is still stuck at 9.5% with his deadly accurate Socrates computer program, but the big reason for Biden and his crew to worry is the real inflation number.
Armstrong says, “Inflation is subsiding a little bit, but it is basically still over 26%.”
Armstrong says Biden’s approval numbers are so low and inflation is so high that they have to have war with Russia.
Wartime president LBJ would've lost to Nixon.
Canada Is Poaching America's High-Skilled Foreign Workers
Wait I thought half the world's population, or whatever, was going to immigrate here? Who cares if Canada poaches a few, we've got half the world lined up. Or is it like a game of tag where we try and keep the high-skilled foreign immigrants out of Canada until tags us, then we can't get any immigrants from anywhere and they try and keep them away from us until we tag them back?
As of September 2019, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services estimated that there were 583,420 authorized-to-work H-1B holders in the country.
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"We've already lost more than 20,500 Indians to Canada's Global Talent Stream program from 2017–2019."
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The program will remain in effect for one year, or until Canada's immigration bureau receives 10,000 applications.
This sounds a lot like noise to me. Especially the "We streamlined our program and now we can accept up to what would be two days of illegal Mexican border crossings."
It's kind of a double-edged sword for them though. Because if the foreign workers need healthcare, they're completely screwed. And if they ever indicate signs of anxiety or sadness, they'll be strenuously pressured and encouraged to MAID.
Damn foreigners stealing our foreigners!
sounds like you are saying these "skilled foreign workers" are some sor of commodity orchattel with no free will of their own, and that those nasty buggers up in Canadadia aren't playing fair as they offer them whatever to get them to come work for them.
Let them. Its not like WE are short of certain "skillsets" here.. but I WILL say that if we are, it is because we failed to make available the sills they need and/or the economic srangth to enable them to stay here and work. OR, instead we DID enable fifteen million untrained unskilled unfunded unemployable individuals to waltz across the boundary and suck on the public teat at the expense of the rest of us here who DO work for a living.
Canada Is Offering America’s High-Skilled Foreign Workers Greater Incentives Than the USA
But don’t worry, under Biden we are winning in the non-skilled, non-self supporting, foreign illegal immigrant category!