Don't Bring Back Public Housing
An idea so bad it was bound to return.

One of the biggest frustrations about getting old is hearing younger people propose ideas that were debunked decades ago—and then getting "eyes glazed over" looks from them after explaining that we've already been there and done that. Proposers of such ideas rarely change their minds after I say, "Dude, I was there and remember—and it was a disaster."
The latest "old is new again" proposal is for the government to just build housing—as in public officials buying the land, choosing the design, finding a developer, and then serving as landlord. The impetus is the nation's affordable-housing crisis. Advocates have changed the terminology. They are proposing that "we" build "social housing" rather than "public housing projects," but it's the same blighted idea.
"Public housing is ready to make a comeback," wrote Daniel Denvir and Yonah Freemark in left-leaning Slate. They say current efforts to up-zone property (allowing developers to build higher-density projects with fewer regulations) yield only modest results. They rehash the debate on the Left—between YIMBYs (Yes In My Back Yarders) and those who claim that new building promotes gentrification.
"But this debate is often impoverished," they add. "As policymakers continue to confront this crisis, it is time for them to reconsider an obvious but long-taboo solution: building new public housing." Of course, this time the government will do it better than the last time by—get this—avoiding income restrictions and opening the units to all comers.
State and local governments can simply build "millions of homes themselves" and create "vibrant, mixed-income neighborhoods," they argue. The writers admit that past projects fell into disrepair and the feds demolished most of them in the 1970s. This time, however, we'll provide enough resources to housing authorities to maintain them properly. It's all so easy!
Growing up in the Philadelphia area in the 1970s, I recall the massive protests and disputes that ensued after the city built housing towers in the midst of a settled urban neighborhood of row houses. The project led to deep racial divisions and sparked an exodus to the suburbs. Such stories repeated themselves in big cities across the country.
Pruitt-Igoe in St. Louis was perhaps the most notorious public housing project in America, with its 33 towers that resembled those hideous brutalist developments that defined the Soviet Union. They became a sea of crime, social dysfunction, and blight. Many people cheered when the federal government demolished the buildings only 18 years after the grand opening.
Obviously, modern planners won't take the exact same approach, but the government has, shall we say, a spotty record in maintaining its infrastructure. During that era, the feds were the nation's largest slumlord. Urban theorist Jane Jacobs complained in her book, "The Death and Life of Great American Cities," that government planners imposed their utopian vision on communities—and didn't much consider the views of likely residents or neighbors.
Because of the obvious failures of cramming thousands of people into dystopian housing blocks, the feds moved onto a new-and-improved public housing solution in the 1990s. The Clinton administration embraced "scattered-site housing," by which localities built (with federal funds) smaller public-housing projects—often single-family homes or duplexes—in the midst of settled neighborhoods.
I watched the process closely in my small Ohio city—and they created the same problems but on a smaller scale. The new government houses cost much more to build than surrounding market-rate houses, but these homes gained a stigma. Ultimately, the government disrupted neighborhoods and garnered resentment. Whatever the reasons, it did not create "vibrant, mixed-income" communities.
These are different times, so they will yield different approaches, but a few points seem obvious. First, the government doesn't do anything well. Whatever design motif or strategy it chooses, it will impose them in a heavy-handed manner. The same governments that let dam spillways collapse and freeways become pockmarked with potholes, will fail to maintain these new "social housing" projects—and it has little to do with inadequate funding.
Second, there isn't enough money—even in a world with a $ 31.8 trillion federal debt—to just build housing for everyone. The government currently subsidizes private developers to build affordable housing. Thanks to regulations, union work requirements, and bureaucracy, that has led to low-income projects costing as much as $1 million a unit. Those same inefficiencies will plague public housing.
The writers complain that developers aren't building enough housing even with the current effort to reduce housing regulations. Well, California has been restricting housing supply for decades, so it's unrealistic to expect builders to solve the problem after only a few years of loosened restrictions. The new approach is yielding results, but we need to make it easier to build housing across the board.
I'm old enough to have watched the government create the housing shortage. Only people who ignore relatively recent history would suggest more government is the solution.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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State and local governments can simply build "millions of homes themselves" and create "vibrant, mixed-income neighborhoods,"
Mixed income until the middle class leaves.
Exactly. Don’t know what Greennut is smokin’, but non-poors don’t want to live with the poors. This has been proven just as much as the failure of public housing.
And even development deals that include a portion of an otherwise luxury residential development to be set aside for the poors, the poors usually have to use separate entrances and the freight elevator.
The rich are just not going to lay out big stacks of cash in order to live with the poors.
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Don’t know what Greennut is smokin’, but non-poors don’t want to live with the poors.
He was quoting the morons from Slate. Then the rest of this article was him debunking their idiocy.
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"governments that let dam spillways collapse and freeways become pockmarked with potholes, will fail to maintain these new "social housing" projects—and it has little to do with inadequate funding."
It has nothing to do with inadequate funding. You prove that point in the very next paragraph.
I was under the impression that the reason for freeways with potholes is that US government entities at all levels seldom opt for the more expensive but better long-term value option when it comes to constructing freeways, and then try to save money by cutting maintenance. And that is on voters, not governments.
Yeah, the voters are the problem.
If a politician says, I will do X, and it should be obvious that X will lead to adverse long-term consequences, yet X appeals to voters, who are not thinking about long-term consequences, then it is indeed the voters’ responsibility when those adverse consequences occur.
Some of you lot seem to think that voters have no agency.
Oh, if only we could have, I dunno, LIMITS on the power of the government! Whether you define that as the politcian, the bureaucrat, or the voter, LIMIT the power of the government. Restraints, constitutions, due process, etc.
Whining that it's all the voters fault is bullshit.
In a democracy people get what they want. So the fault does rest squarely on the shoulders of the voters who choose people who deliver on their promises, even if it means going beyond limits set by the Constitution.
I am not saying it's all the voters' fault. But voters do have responsibility and to deny it - that is bullshit.
BTW if you're going to talk about whining, how about all the posters here who advocate for a third party while rejecting electoral reforms that would make it easier for third parties to compete at elections.
There's only one electoral reform needed, and that's to remove any and all ballot access laws which are more restrictive than for the two legacy parties. All parties should be on the same playing field. There's no reason why one party (or party's candidate) needs 1% of signatures to get on a ballot, for example, while another requires 5%.
I also think term limits would help with reducing the power of the entrenched political class. Yes I know the argument that term limits deprive the voters of their choice but that ignores the power of the incumbency to maintain power once obtained.
The Interstate Highway System was build by the Pentagon.
The government spends $30k to put a sign up on the side of the road, you moron. And that was a decade ago. Probably twice that now. I guess that’s what we get for electing such frugal politicians.
How do you consistently come up with such retarded takes, you limey fucking cracker?
Mostly it's due to state government corruption. The ongoing tax revenues go to splashy new projects that are really just jobs programs for union workers, contractors who make payments under the table to politicians, and crooked suppliers. There's no glamor or headlines in maintaining the road in a driveable condition.
Only people who ignore relatively recent history would suggest more government is the solution.
This is why communism as an ideology will never die. We keep making new generations of young bright-eyed idiots, some of whom will fall for it. At this point, I begin to think it’s worth giving the stupid a place to get it out of their system, learn the lesson, and join the ranks of adulthood without crashing the entire society with no survivors every fifty years or so.
I propose that California can be that place.
I propose that California can be that place.
It already is. The adults are leaving in droves.
Alternatively, how about choosing one of those states that already receive more from the Feds than they pay in, because they're already used to American communism, so the transition would be easier.
New Columbia?
So again, California.
Building new shit is sexy, glamorous, and attention-grabbing for the politicians. Keeping it in good shape (maintenance) is boring shit for dowdy geezers, whatever it might be (roads, dams, pubic housing). So the shit gets built but no one can be bothered to maintain it.
And the people who live there who do NOT own it? They have ZERO interests in taking care of it! So why NOT shit on the stairs?
Why do I get the feeling that Reason "central planned zoning" Magazine would love private-public partnership housing...
Why? Because you are an idiot and are hallucinating! When the voices tell you to "go postal", please do NOT listen to them!
One of the biggest frustrations about getting old is hearing younger people propose ideas that were debunked decades ago—and then getting “eyes glazed over” looks from them after explaining that we’ve already been there and done that. Proposers of such ideas rarely change their minds after I say, “Dude, I was there and remember—and it was a disaster.”
In that vein:
https://twitter.com/againstgrmrs/status/1664300932736139265?s=20
I was there when the Catholic Church tried to purged their ranks of pedophiles and similarly fringe/deviant homosexuals. I was there when the
Boy ScoutsScouts BSA tried to purge their ranks of pedophiles and similarly fringe/deviant (homo)sexuals. I was there before DADT, when the military was still capable of identifying and purging its ranks of the more fringe sexual deviants. I was there when pizza places, bakeries, jewelry stores, web designers, parents of Florida schoolchildren, city councils, etc., etc., etc. all tried to purge their spaces of pedophiles and fringe/deviant (homo)sexuals. I was there for the “It’s not a choice, it’s a lifestyle. Like being black. Except for those icky 'B' and 'T' people, who don't count because... reasons.” discussions.To wit, fuck you, GAG. From where I sit, the people you represent hijacked the rainbow and ideas about pride shoulder-to-shoulder and hand-in-glove with the people who you now claim are hijacking it from you. You were told at the time, that it was a slippery slope and part of an agenda, you mocked/deflected the notion and shouted down anyone who made it.
You are the COVID Amnesty beggars of the gay rights movement. Even if we somehow manage to protect every last child from the effects of this mental disease, you should live out your days in shame.
It's so much easier to hate every gay person than to treat them as individuals.
This is chemjeff “radical individualist”-level stupid.
If you think Gays Against Groomers represents every last homosexual the way the ADA represents every last doctor, that's on you.
"To wit, fuck you, GAG. From where I sit, the people you represent..."
If that doesn't mean you hate all gays then I don't know what it means.
If that doesn’t mean you hate all gays then I don’t know what it means.
Kinda says you can’t even possibly imagine gay people having their own agency independent of the GAG. I didn’t say I hate them all, but you’re doing a great job of demonstrating that you consider them all to be slaves in defense of the movement. That you can't even conceptualize them any other way.
You're the one who said you hold all gays responsible for what is happening in schools, even those who say they oppose it.
It’s a simple ctrl+f “all” to demonstrate to yourself or anyone that I don’t use the word “all” with respect to homosexuals, despite the fact that I do use it to refer to everyone who opposed them collectively. Another simple ctrl+f “all gay” to demonstrate to yourself or anyone else that you’re the one who referred to gays with “all”.
Why are you working so hard and distorting plain and obvious fact in order to portray homosexuals as a unified group who lack their own agency? Do you really just not give a fuck about their, or my, or anyone else’s agency?
If "you were there." and if you don't know the difference between consenting adult acts and the molestation and mutilation of of children, then you should have gone with them.
Real public housing has never been tried.
sin,
Idiots at Slate.
Public housing is like communism. "This time we'll get it right!"
You lost me at “the nation’s affordable-housing crisis!” There IS NO national affordable housing crisis. Anything you say after alleging that there is a housing crisis is therefore null and void. Proposed solutions for non-existent problems are therefore non-solutions. And drastic interventions that might be temporarily justified by temporary crises are therefore NOT justified when there is no crisis. If high population density urban centers create a political crisis with bad policies; or the natural decay of such urban centers which have lost their niche (like the dinosaurs) leads to dislocations for the people who cannot figure out how to move somewhere else to earn a better living, tough luck for them. No, I don’t want them to use tax revenues (or borrowed money) to fund the demise of the cities!
like the dinosaurs
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On my commute to my job in back in the 70's , I used to pass by two "towers" which the government had built for low-income housing about ten or fifteen years earlier. Each (IIRC) about ten stories tall. They were identical and placed next to each other. I commented to one of my co-workers about the fact one tower was in very nice condition, and the other tower looked more like a war zone -- many windows boarded over, graffiti, etc. He was familiar with the place, and he said the answer was simple -- while both were built for low-income residents, the run-down building was populated primarily with younger folks on welfare, while the well-maintained building was populated with low-income retirees -- one had to be 62 years-old to rent an apartment.
Interesting.
Vandalism needs youthful energy?
Why do they think that middle class people will want to stay in a building that’s near a low income building?
The arguments that concentrated poverty is bad for society are probably true, but it’s really a problem without much of a solution. I mean, middle class people will want to move away when poor people move in-people will look out for their own good rather than some theoretic good of society as a whole.
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One fatal aspect of subsidized housing is that no one is recognizing the effect on people who make a little too much to qualify for such housing.
Any logical person in that marginal situation is incentivized to at least consider the option of earning (or at least REPORTING) a bit less income, and then qualifying for the subsidy. The subsidy in whatever form or amount will be FAR greater than the loss of some taxable income in order to qualify.
Conversely, those who are in subsidized housing will too often NEVER lose their low-income designation. For one or more unacceptable reasons:
* They are just bums.
* They stop accepting pay increases.
* Lying on income certification papers.
* Working in the underground economy.
* Sloppy or nonexistent fact checking by the welfare agencies.
Doesn't ol' lunch bucket Joe live in subsidized housing?
As does most every Governor, a few Mayors, and a slew of college Presidents. Heck, Nancy Reagan turned down the state-owned "Governor's Mansion" in Sacramento and got a bunch of rich friends to build her and Ronnie a bespoke house in a tony suburban neighborhood - abandoning one subsidized (by the government) house for another subsidized (by cronies) house.
Quote update: "I'm from the government and I'm here to house you."
Actually, they have modernized the public housing design. All new public housing structures have permanent voter drop boxes incorporated in the blueprints.
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they will even sign the things for you because lets face it - signatures dont have to match anything
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