The Republican Primary Consensus for Sending the Military Into Mexico
Presidential contender Tim Scott, who announced recently, says he will use "the world's greatest military to fight these terrorists" south of the border. He's not alone.

When Sen. Tim Scott (R–S.C.), a comparatively affable chap in the context of contemporary GOP politics, announced his 2024 presidential bid on Monday, the speech was predictably full of the upbeat, anecdotal, ain't-America-grand stuff that Scott, like generations of Republicans before him, has made central to his political career.
Then things suddenly turned dark.
"When I am president, the drug cartels using Chinese labs and Mexican factories to kill Americans will cease to exist," Scott vowed. "I will freeze their assets, I will build the wall, and I will allow the world's greatest military to fight these terrorists. Because that's exactly what they are."
Scott's bellicosity was no mere bolt from the blue. As Reason has been documenting for six years now, Republicans, even while otherwise souring on U.S interventionism abroad, have increasingly concluded that the alarming spike in domestic fentanyl overdoses would best be treated by sending the military into Mexico.
Donald Trump first floated the idea, while he was president, of designating drug cartels as terrorist organizations—thereby allowing for extraterritorial prosecutions, enhanced investigative powers, and increased penalties for domestic drug-related crimes—in March 2019, but held off after the government of Mexico repeatedly objected on grounds of sovereignty while making uncooperative noises about transnational migration policy.
But the appetite for corralling cartels into the otherwise-unpopular war on terror was only beginning to rumble in the conservative belly. Trump himself in the summer of 2020 twice asked then–Defense Secretary Mark Esper whether "we could just shoot some Patriot missiles and take out the labs, quietly," according to Esper's 2022 memoir. Notable MAGA politicians Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) have both suggested violent interdiction south of the border, as have a bevy of more traditional hawks. There are a handful of escalatory bills bouncing around Congress.
Open presidential primary contests, filled with hot air as they may be, are nonetheless useful X-rays of a political party's ideological heart. Trump's polling bounce in July 2015, after launching his campaign with a barrage of startling insults about Mexican immigrants, bent the entire competition—including politicians with long immigration-friendly track records—toward Constitution-bending restrictionism. Some proposals that sounded implausibly fringe back then—Trump's ban on Muslims of certain nationalities from entering the country, most notoriously—were translated in modified form into federal policy.
So, listed in order of their RealClearPolitics polling average for the past month, here are the top six 2024 GOP presidential candidates talking in their own words about using the U.S. military in Mexico to fight fentanyl-dealing drug cartels. Below that are some Reason arguments against merging the war on terror with the war on drugs.
1) Donald Trump (56.3 percent)
"When I am president, it will be the policy of the United States to take down the cartels, just as we took down ISIS and the ISIS caliphate," the former president said in January. "[I will] order the Department of Defense to make appropriate use of special forces, cyber warfare, and other overt and covert actions to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership, infrastructure and operations."
2) Ron DeSantis (19.4 percent)
"Would you build the wall and would you use the military to go after Mexican drug cartels?" Florida's governor was asked at a press conference this month, replying, "Yes, and yes." He elaborated:
The border should be shut down. I mean, this is ridiculous what's going on. You shut it down. You do need to construct a wall. …
We also have to come to terms with all the amount of fentanyl that's coming into our country because of this border. And who's doing it, it's these Mexican drug cartels. They need to be held accountable. We can't just let our people die. …
That's a Day One issue. I mean, you've got to be really, really determined. You can't let it slide, you can't make excuses, you gotta go in and you gotta really go in with all guns blazing and using all the leverage that you have to be able to do it.
3) Mike Pence (5.6 percent)
"The cartels are in operational control of our borders," the former vice president said at a campaign stop in March. "National security begins with border security. We need leadership that will secure the southern border of the United States of America as a priority. … You do not buy into the open-borders crowd. Not only do you have this humanitarian crisis coming across, [there's] the impact on our economy, families, and communities, the flow of illegal drugs. … We have to have leadership willing to use American strength."
4) Nikki Haley (4.3 percent)
"When it comes to the cartels," the former South Carolina governor said in March, "you tell the Mexican president, 'Either you do it or we do it.' But we are not going to let all of this lawlessness continue to happen. And we can do that by putting Special Ops in there, by doing cyber, by really being strategic—just like we dealt with ISIS, you do the same thing with the cartels."
5) Vivek Ramaswamy (3.6 percent)
"If the U.S. military has one job, it is to protect U.S. soil here in the United States, including the southern border," Ramaswamy said in a March interview. "And treating the cartels like terrorists doesn't just mean freezing their assets, which is what some believe. I think it means justified military force to decimate the cartels, Osama bin Laden–style, Soleimani-style. This is doable. And this is something that I actually expect to do as the next president of the United States in the first six months. And I think it's important to do it in…one cycle of aggressive shock and awe. And that solves the fentanyl supply-side problem."
6) Tim Scott (1.8 percent)
Asked by NBC News to clarify his use-the-military comments in his announcement speech, Scott said:
What we should do is whatever it takes to secure our southern border and stop the Mexican cartels from bringing fentanyl across the border …
We have the ability and the power to use sanctions to freeze the assets of the Mexican cartels today. There are 500 people that are involved in the three major cartels, net worth around $20 billion for a couple of them. Can we use the resources that are available today to stop fentanyl from coming across our border? Absolutely … Should we have more of a military presence on…our southern border? Obviously we should. …
Should we provide the resources necessary on our border to protect our citizens? Absolutely. Should we say exactly what we're gonna do? Of course not.
Some Reason counterarguments:
"No, the U.S. Shouldn't Wage War Against Mexican Cartels," by Fiona Harrigan
"Calls To 'Close the Border' in Response to Fentanyl Deaths Are Misguided," by Fiona Harrigan
"How Innovative Responses to Prohibition Set Off a Deadly Fentanyl Explosion," by Jacob Sullum
"Fentanyl Is Not a Nuke, and Drug Dealers Are Not Terrorists," by Katherine Mangu-Ward
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Those are indeed terrible ideas. The solution to the "fentanyl problem" is legalized heroin, not that we'll ever get that.
I could see using the military to secure the border from *our* side, but actually invading Mexico is almost Democrat levels of stupid.
Before long the comment will be filled with cries of "Reason is leftist for not wanting to invade Mexico!"
Just watch.
The Ukraine war's put paid to that lie.
Yeah, Biden should have said, "we're helping Ukraine only because they have lots of strategic natural resources that we want and we don't want the Russians to have".
Is the US army fighting Russia?
Did we or did we not give them the tools to fight on our behalf?
Ill give you a hint, they're losing.
We did not give them the tools to fight on our behalf. We gave them tools so they could fight on their own behalf, for their own freedom.
They are not losing, don't think that just because the Russians captured Bakhmut that means they're winning. It took them half a year and tens of thousands of dead to take a small city.
I'm ambivalent about Ukraine.
On the one hand I don't want to see anyone under Putin's rule. On the other hand it's not my problem.
On the one hand I'd like to see Ukraine defeat the Russians. On the other hand the longer the war goes on the more people die.
Are we witnessing the extermination of a culture? Does it matter?
You've openly supported the war in the comments.
He’s pro violence unless he actually has to step up himself. Like when he threatened to kick my ass.
Sarc is a big mouth drunken pussy.
He decided he was going to drunk-fight Tulpa as well, then pussied out like the little faggot bitch he is and played it off by inviting Tulpa to attend a boomer rock concert with him. Because he's a pathetic little drunk-tuff faggot bitch.
There's always a war in the comments, whether we support it or not.
Refraining from responding the the folks who can't make a sentence without the word "you" in it is a good start at not supporting stupidity. Don't know about not supporting war.
Sarc is still too gutless to respond since he threatened to kick my ass. I’m sure that was all about ideas too.
He is completely full of shit, and a pussy too.
Sarc. Your first comment here was about others you hypocrite shit weasel lol.
He’s such a fucking coward. And he should be. He’s a desiccated lifelong alcoholic, and we’re not.
Are you referring to Zelensky jailing religious minorities, suspending elections, outlawing opposition political parties, shutting down the free press, and using actual Nazis to terrorize local ethnic Russians? Because if you are, then it didn't seem to matter at all when you were tugging on your flaccid microchode to your GI Vlodymir fanfic.
"We did not give them the tools to fight on our behalf. We gave them tools so they could fight on their own behalf, for their own freedom."
Oh wow. Imagine someone actually believing that. How incredibly gullible would they have to be?
You're doing yeoman's work on this story, shreek. Keep it up.
Flush,
You are right in that it took tens of thousands of dead Russian convicts and another few thousand Wagner mercenaries for Russia to capture Bakhmut.
These losses are immaterial as the Russian army has been completely untouched by this carnage.
While the Ukraine Army has also suffered thousands of casualties, the Russian army has been busy been digging fortifications all along the entire front.
In a war of attrition, the Russians will win every time.
You can’t have legalized hard drugs with democrats holding any political office. And ideally there would be democrat party at all.
There is in fact no Democrat Party in the United States. There is a Democratic Party.
You’ve got it exactly backwards. The Democrat party is neo Marxist trash. It has no right to exist, and should be cleansed from our nation as quickly as possible.
It isn't the Democratic Party that is supporting totalitarian proposals such as banning political parties.
Yeah, that's Ukraine, the country you're trying to drag us into a nuclear war with Russia over, shreek. Keep going bro, you're doing so good!
It’s going to get real fucking bad for you and your fellow travelers amongst the democrat party. You should leave America now, while you’re still in one piece.
Ctrl+f “invade”: 0 results. (and this is Reason "Ted Cruz Opposes Liberal Democracy" Magazine)
There is less talk of invading Mexico in the future than there is invading Ukraine now.
Regardless of whether we should or shouldn’t intervene militarily (we shouldn’t), “invade” is desired result of the propaganda.
What do you think the phrase "sending the military into Mexico" means? That sounds pretty invasiony to me. I have a damned hard time imagining they'd just let us send troops over the border to conduct combat operations.
Note that Overt our resident scold and language cop took no issue with your description of the candidates' words as "invasiony". Huh.
Could the US not simply make a deal with Mexico to send the army into deal with the cartels?
Realistically? No. Mexicans would get really offended over the notion that they needed our help to deal with it.
Yeah they've obviously got a great handle on it, and the rural peasants in northern Mexico love the cartels and hate American money so much...
The solution to the fentanyl problem is free, unlimited fentanyl!
And here I thought the Republican war boner had deflated. Silly me.
Well it's nice that you finally found a neocon foreign intervention you don't like. Even if it is purely theoretical.
So if I parse the oddly phrased paragraphs above, BOTH SIDES see it as a "border issue", one thinks it can be fixed by increasing Union employment and expanding alphabet agencies, the other thinks it can do it using existing agencies (the US Military) by "striking" deep into Mexico.
While I agree that the military option is fraught with downsides (to say the least) and has constitutional implications, the idea that the Biden administration thinks the problem is entirely "something else" is patently false.
To be fair to everyone involved, the Republicans want to send the military against foreign drug producers, the Democrats are more domestically-focused, wanting to use the Military against their own citizens.
As they say in Britain, it's all swings and roundabouts.
It's "fair to everyone involved" make all Dems guilty by their party association to Newsome?
For someone who subscribes to a political philosophy of individualsim, how do you find it so easy to discard the individuality of your political opponents?
Most Dems are guilty of their authoritarianism because of their own expressed authoritarianism.
It’s “fair to everyone involved” make all Dems guilty by their party association to Newsome?
This one's going into the toolbelt for use in the future.
Every leftist here is attributing positions to those they despise due to minimal comments in the article. It is always projection.
The Democrat party is intrinsically collectivist.
Not everyone groks political nuance like you do, shreek.
The fentanyl crisis has one origin and again Pogo is right. We are the enemy. It's the insane war on opioids. The government has already admitted that the opioid crisis has nothing to do with the nature of opioids themselves and that unless a doctor is prescribing 9 pills a day, there is no need for any concern. And then the concern is that Vicodin-Narco is the wrong pain medication.
Making opioids illegal and threatening doctors so that they would not prescribe them forced people with depression to either commit suicide or get black market drugs. The narcodrug traffickers then started using fentanyl as it was cheaper. If the idiot government stopped the war on Opioids, the illegal market for fentanyl would disappear and people who cannot get their anti-depressants would stop committing suicide
At least defending our sovereign borders is actually a responsibility of the federal government. Dealing with the cartels is a separate subject. Something needs to happen. Just legalizing drugs won’t make them go away. We’re way past that. And I keep hearing more and more about cartel murders on our soil.
Cartels are a problem. The solution is debatable.
Another case of the drug store is out of your favorite ice cream (Vanilla) so you have decide between strawberry, and seal the borders and face the potential of a war in Mexico, or pistachio, i.e. a do nothing can't solve , won't solve the open borders, flow of drugs and sex trades into the Country. Give me three scoops of strawberry please.
face the potential of a war in Mexico
My guess is that's not likely. Not that I support sending in the military, but what the Republicans are suggesting here is likely another extension of what we were doing throughout the 90s in central America. You offer the country in question billions of dollars in *checks State Department Style Guide* aid and other compensation in the form of building up their security forces, and then you "partner" with that country with your own military or paramilitary forces to eradicate the drug dealers through a series of joint operations. Like what we were doing in Columbia.
what the Republicans are suggesting here is likely another extension of what we were doing throughout the 90s in central America
Boomer. You can probably find Grenada on a map too, can't you? To be fair, I remember thinking that the drug war was the model for how the War on Terror was going to be fought.
this reads like was written by Mike. also, didn't O arm "The Cartels" what with the Fast & Furious gig?
Impossible! That would be scandalous and as we all know, the only Obama scandal was that he wore a tan suit. (Yes, someone was actually stupid enough to say that unironically.)
Your forgot about the mom jeans.
Maybe it's just time to put the federal drug war to rest once and for all. Where in the US Constitution does it say the 'feds' have any authority to regulate drugs anyways?
The very premise of the whole thing is Anti-American. If the border was secure the how the heck are all these 'drugs' getting in anyways? Did they grow legs and bring themselves in?
There's no practical way to secure the border enough to stop drugs without seriously slowing down commerce. You cannot search every car, truck, ship or plane. Most drugs are coming hidden amongst legal goods.
Your 1st suggestion is the best solution.
I would add that we are seeing more powerful drugs that means smaller units and that means easier to smuggle. Fentanyl should be a lesson that the profits from illegal narcotics means there will always be a way to smuggle them. The next fentanyl will be more powerful and smaller in size. Working the supply side is a losing battle.
Where in the US Constitution does it say the ‘feds’ have any authority to regulate drugs anyways?
Commerce clause, always that damned commerce clause.
Yes, the feds can regulate interstate commerce in drugs. But that doesn't mean it can ban them outright. In a better age, when people took the words of the constitution seriously, it was thought necessary to pass a constitutional amendment to permit Congress to ban the manufacture of alcohol (but not its possession or use--nobody was so daft as to think the government could interfere that much with individual freedom), and that the most Congress could do to suppress drugs was to tax them to a fare-thee-well.
Conservatives will be very happy to see mifepristone banned. And not just in interstate commerce.
Well, I’m convinced. Guess I should vote democrat then.
So republican, lawmakers do some screwy things, and the logical alternative is to turn full democrat communist? No, thanks. It makes a lot more sense to wipe out you and your fellow travelers, and then fix what’s left.
That's funny, shreek, because none of them have drafted any legislation to that effect and it was Republicans who wanted birth control made OTC while Democrats shit a brick and said that doing so was denying women healthcare.
The same generation of politicians crafted the minimum wage with the stated intentions of making it harder for undesirables to get jobs.
The border isn’t secure. That’s the problem.
Tim Scott is as establishment as it gets.
w/as much chance to wage war on Mexico as I do.
We have a military, we identified a problem; so obviously we have to use the military to fix the problem. What do you people not get!
We get history, economics, and military strategy.
The last time the US invaded Mexico was in 1916. We wanted to catch Pancho Villa. Not only did we fail at that but we also attacked by mistake the real Mexican army that was also trying to catch Villa.
To invade Mexico to stop the cartels isn't about stopping one Villa but thousands of Villas. The Mexican military is small and not well equipped but Mexicans won't take kindly to be invaded. Listen to the words of Mexico's national anthem some time.
In addition there are are about 40 million Mexican citizens living in the United States. About ten million are not US citizens and would have to be arrested. That would increase the prison population of the United States by a factor of eight. Cost about three hundred billion annually once you have built the prisons and there aren't enough construction workers to get the prisons built in a timely manner. The other thirty million are dual citizens and who knows what their primary loyalty would be? The US military has lots of such dual citizens who would need to be excused from this duty.
And there are the million and a half US citizens living in Mexico. They will need to be arrested in Mexico and spend the entirety of this long war incarcerated.
And then there is the question of HOW the United States military would even determine whom the cartel members are? They aren't trained to infiltrate civilian populations they are trained to kill members of other militaries.
And while the US military would easily defeat the Mexican military in a real battle, the Mexican military could surprise people by the damage it could cause early in the war. San Diego is ON THE BORDER and the huge naval base there would become useless to the US as a result. The Continental US has not had fighting on it's soil since the Civil Wars and Americans will not tolerate civilian casualties. Nor will they tolerate the massive inflation in consumer prices that would result.
Invading Mexico is an absolutely terrible idea. Period.
We’ve been in half of central and South America for decades and none of that has happened. We haven’t actually won the drug war or defeated cartels, either. But that’s probably not the type of “invasion” anyone is really talking about.
When was the last time the US actually invaded a country in South America?
1989 shreek, you historically illiterate fuckwit.
For your benefit so you don't have to waste all that time copying from Wikipedia next time, the post you replied to was called "sarcasm", shreek.
I thought of two other problems.
Mexico has a small understaffed and underequipped military but that isn't true of a lot of other countries in Latin America. Most will help Mexico, certainly with arms and maybe with actually military units.
In addition, Mexico is very mountanous -- the very terrain on which the US military has long fought poorly. From Kasserine Pass to Afghanistan. The US would win a war but we will be shocked the it isn't an instant walkover.
Oh don't worry. In about 18 months or so, the same people who praised Trump as "the most libertarian president ever because he started no new wars", will be demanding that we vote for the Republican candidate even though he/she wants to invade Mexico because OMG TRANNIES.
If the Left's priority was not to sterilize children or expose them to sex shows, then maybe we could get to some more normal issues.
Yup there it is. Stoke as much fear as possible - "they're coming for yer kids!" - so as to justify giving power to Team Red. That is all this is about.
The transgender issue is microscopic. The transgender CHILDREN issue is even more microscopic than that. But it is very useful in provoking fear, so that is what Team Red is going with.
"Do not worry that we want to INVADE MEXICO. They are going to MUTILATE YOUR KIDS! Do you hear me??????"
Same as with Team Blue and guns. They will stoke fear of kids being murdered in school as a reason to vote for them and their gun control agenda.
And you are either a useful idiot or a willing participant in this transparent scheme.
Your fellow travelers in the democrat party have made a mountain of that tranny mole hill. People like you. You just can’t resist the opportunity to indoctrinate young children for your paraphillic purposes.
One way of avoiding that issue would be to top making your entire moral philosophy dependent on the ability of public school teachers in taxpayer-funded mandatory public schools to discuss anal sex with 5 year old children, cytotoxic. It's easier to make hay out of your "microscopic issue" when you keep covering up for trannies raping girls in public school bathrooms.
It is only in the fevered imagination of right-wing demagogues that there is any priority on the left "to sterilize children or expose them to sex shows".
Just like it is only in the fevered imagination of left-wing demagogues that there is any priority on the right to put guns in the hands of school shooters.
Just like it is a fevered imagination of left-wing (and Reason) demagogues that there is any priority on the right to invade Mexico. And yet here we are. If Scott saying he will "allow the world's greatest military to fight these terrorists" is enough to comment on, then the actions of the left over the past 4 years regarding trans rights is far more comment-worthy.
Just like it is a fevered imagination of left-wing (and Reason) demagogues that there is any priority on the right to invade Mexico.
But you have presidential candidates actually saying it. Tim Scott was the one who made the most oblique reference to it. The other five were much more direct in their desire to use the US military against Mexico. It's not imaginary. It's their own words.
Show me any presidential candidate who has said "let's bring kids to sex shows".
Are you really unaware of the number of dems talking about children at drag shows in support? Despite the Florida law saying no children at shows with secual acts?
You really are pro pedophile aren't you jeff.
Now let's compare future plans to current funding and arming of Ukraine. Dem support of wars in Syria, Libya, etc. You know things that have actually happened.
I’ve been calling him Pedo Jeffy for years. And not without justification. Or Groomer Jeffy in the alternative.
You guys should really just keep calling him by his original handle name: cytotoxic. He's been a fat tub of shit pedophile apologist for well over a decade.
" The other five were much more direct in their desire to use the US military against Mexico."
Yeah, this is what I mean. None of those candidates has said anything about using the US Military "against Mexico". You just pulled that out of your ass.
The majority of statements above are clearly referencing using the military for border security, not invading Mexico. Those that do hint at using forces outside the border are clearly talking about special forces operations in a manner like Pakistan where the US cooperated with the country to kill Osama.
And, for the record, we do have officials in the Biden administration on record making it a priority to push gender transition procedures on minors, regardless of what Biden or other presidential candidates say. Secretary Levine has not only worked in PA to prevent bills that would outlaw these procedures on children, but also is shown in email records to be working with Children's Hospital officials to produce supporting research.
You are really going to get that nitpicky? Okay, fine then:
You have presidential candidates who are openly advocating for violating the territorial sovereignty of the Republic of Mexico with the US Armed Forces in order to fight drug cartels. I don't see any of them saying "I will negotiate with the President of Mexico to permit US military forces to capture cartel members". They are instead saying things like "we will send Seal Team Six in there whether they like it or not!"
So, again, show me a presidential candidate who is saying "let's have sex shows for children" or "let's mutilate healthy children". None of them are. That is invented entirely by Team Red.
we do have officials in the Biden administration on record making it a priority to push gender transition procedures on minors,
C'mon you are smart enough to know that "not wanting to ban something" is not the same as "pushing something". Not wanting to ban heroin is not the same as "pushing heroin".
"You have presidential candidates who are openly advocating for violating the territorial sovereignty of the Republic of Mexico with the US Armed Forces in order to fight drug cartels."
And again you are completely pulling that out of your ass. There is no indication from the words quoted above that any GOP president has made or will make it a priority to violate Mexican territorial sovereignty.
"They are instead saying things like “we will send Seal Team Six in there whether they like it or not!”"
At most one person, Haley, has said anything remotely resembling that. The rest have indicated that their priority is to secure the border, and have hinted that military action is not off the table. You have made your own insane leap to conclusion that this does not include working with the Mexican Government.
I do not agree with any of these tactics by the way. But the idea that this is a realistic concern right now is hyperbole.
"So, again, show me a presidential candidate who is saying"
No thank you. I have done enough to show that major figures on the left are doing so. Your desire to restrict this to "presidential candidates" is you moving the goalposts.
"C’mon you are smart enough to know that “not wanting to ban something” is not the same as “pushing something”. Not wanting to ban heroin is not the same as “pushing heroin”."
I can only assume you are deliberately misquoting me, as you have deliberately misquoted the candidates above. I called out two examples, as part of a trend. You ignored one and only discussed the other. Why?
You have made your own insane leap to conclusion that this does not include working with the Mexican Government.
And by "insane leap", what you actually mean is "read their literal words". I take them at what they actually said. Which one ACTUALLY SAID "we'll work with the Mexican Government"? NONE OF THEM.
Why should I give them the benefit of the doubt? Hmm? They are big boys and girls. They hire the fancy speech writers and they are fully capable of saying what they actually mean.
Now, do I really think that they will invade Mexico? I think there is a small, nonzero chance, actually. Especially coming from the party that lionizes the military, and you should see some of the comments below of what Team Red's base thinks should be happening at the border. They are already demanding the blood of migrants AND of cartels to be running in the desert. Now, I do think there is a much higher chance of some sort of special ops type mission to take out the cartels. Would the government actually negotiate and coordinate with the Mexican government? Maybe, maybe not. If it's Trump in charge again, I think the answer is "probably not".
No thank you. I have done enough to show that major figures on the left are doing so. Your desire to restrict this to “presidential candidates” is you moving the goalposts.
I'm not moving anything, the standard was presidential candidates all along. It was you who moved the goalposts originally by deciding to mention Levine, who is not running for any office.
I can only assume you are deliberately misquoting me, as you have deliberately misquoted the candidates above.
This is you Overt:
we do have officials in the Biden administration on record making it a priority to push gender transition procedures on minors
And then you mentioned Levine by name. So, show me where Levine is *pushing* gender transition procedures on minors. As in, deliberately encouraging and urging minors to get gender transition procedures. As far as I can tell, she is not. She believes it should be legal, yes. She supports gender affirming care for minors, yes. She believes it can be medically beneficial, yes. But that is not the same as urging minors to transition.
So, using the heroin analogy:
"Heroin should be legal" <--- me
"Heroin can have medical benefits" <-- Levine
"Your kids should take heroin" <-- neither me nor Levine
"Which one ACTUALLY SAID “we’ll work with the Mexican Government”? NONE OF THEM."
This is denying the antecedent. A fallacy. Just because no one said they would work with the Mexican Government does not automatically mean they will not work with the Mexican Government.
Most of the examples above are specifically referencing border security, not invading Mexico. Where they talk about military actions against Cartels, the examples used were Osama bin Laden and ISIS. Osama bin Laden was not killed by "violating the territorial integrity" of Pakistan. American forces were authorized by Pakistan. ISIS was fought in many regions, but generally, actions against ISIS occurred with the cooperation of the provisional governments of their territory (Iraq, and the provisional Kurdish government).
So in these cases, we do not need to give the benefit of the doubt. The examples they have specifically chosen are examples of the US *not* invading territory, but in fact, working with the respective governments.
The worst example above is of Haley. She specifically says "Either you do it, or we do it". She doesn't say "against your wishes." And as with others, she specifically references ISIS, which is a situation where the US provided Special Ops support to provisional governments, not act against their wishes.
The rest of your screed is, "I think....I think....I think..." And sorry, but I have learned over the years that what you think is a very, very, very poor indication of what people on the right ACTUALLY intend to do.
"I’m not moving anything, the standard was presidential candidates all along."
This is bullshit. You said it was not a "priority on the left". That includes leftist policy-makers, legislators and regulators- as well as presidential candidates.
"And then you mentioned Levine by name. So, show me where Levine is *pushing* gender transition procedures on minors. As in, deliberately encouraging and urging minors to get gender transition procedures."
We have been discussing this for months. Levine worked in PA to get budget for Social Workers who could help get mastectomies authorized for minors.
https://twitter.com/MegEBrock/status/1626259972169379840
If you want to quibble with the term "push" then fine, I'll use "encourage". I think it is bad enough what is revealed: These are high-placed figures on the left in state and now Federal government that have made it a priority to get gender affirming care, including irreversible double mastectomies, performed on Minors. They are not just ensuring it isn't banned, they are encouraging it, and using state resources to pay for Public Employee jobs whose purpose is to get insurance companies to pay for these surgeries.
“Heroin should be legal” <— You
"The state should publish literature that shows Heroine has benefits." <---Levine
"The state should fund Social Workers whose job is to get children hooked on Heroine" <----also Levine
This is denying the antecedent. A fallacy.
No, Overt, that is not denying the antecedent.
Denying the Antecedent is the following fallacy:
If P Then Q.
Not P, therefore Not Q.
What are the P and the Q here, with relation to negotiations with the Mexican Government? They didn't even mention it in their speeches. This fallacy is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Just because no one said they would work with the Mexican Government does not automatically mean they will not work with the Mexican Government.
No it does not *automatically* mean that they won't work with the Mexican Government. I never said that their statements PROVE that they won't work with the Mexican Government. Only that their statement do not claim that they WILL work with the Mexican Government. You are mind-reading, Overt, trying to interpret their words to mean what you think what was going on in their minds instead of what they actually said. So what you claimed was an "insane leap" that they won't work with the Mexican Government, is actually backed by THEIR OWN WORDS.
The worst example above is of Haley. She specifically says “Either you do it, or we do it”. She doesn’t say “against your wishes.”
No you're right, she doesn't say "against your wishes". She also doesn't say "while coordinating diplomatically with the Mexican Government". She also doesn't say "while I am wearing a pink tutu". She doesn't say a lot of things. Why should I interpret her very short statement to infer that she meant to say one thing but not some other thing? Why should I give them the benefit of the doubt that they meant to say something responsible and reasonable, instead of something irresponsible and unreasonable?
Oh I know why. It's because they're Republicans, and you think Republicans should automatically be given the benefit of the doubt.
And I think I'm a better judge of what Team Red *actually* is, instead of your rose-colored vision of what you would like them to be.
If you want to quibble with the term “push” then fine, I’ll use “encourage”.
If your definition of "encourage" is that they would be subsidized by the state, then fine, she wants to "encourage" gender affirming care by making it affordable. I think that is a bit of a pedantic point though.
"What are the P and the Q here,"
I can't believe I have to spell this out for you, but ok. You *demanded,* with capital letters and everything, that I show you that these people have said they will ask Mexico for permission. Your argument is that unless I can provide such a quote, it means they obviously intend to invade Mexico.
Chemjeff: If Ricky Republican *says* he will get permission from a country (P), then he will only send military with permission (then Q). Ricky has NOT said that he will get permission from Mexico for his drug war (not P), therefore he does NOT intend to get permission (not Q).
And an example of why that is silly, "If Ricky says he likes a fruit, then he likes to eat that fruit. Ricky has not said he likes Apples, therefore he doesn't like Apples." Notice that is illogical because you are ignoring the possibility that Ricky actually does like apples, but just didn't mention it.
"I never said that their statements PROVE that they won’t work with the Mexican Government. "
These were YOUR words: "You have presidential candidates who are openly advocating for violating the territorial sovereignty of the Republic of Mexico "
Those two statements are incompatible. You insisted that it was a priority for the right to invade Mexico. You said that the proof was that these people are "openly advocating for violating the territorial sovereignty". When we look at their statements and cannot find anyone openly stating they will violate territory, you rest on the illogical proof that "well, no one said they will get permission." Your entire premise is based on them NOT saying something.
"You are mind-reading, Overt, trying to interpret their words to mean what you think what was going on in their minds instead of what they actually said."
You are the one INSISTING that candidates on the Right will invade Mexico. And your proof is that they haven't said they WON'T invade Mexico. *You* are the one mind reading.
Again, I can't believe I have to explain this to you, but you (and Reason) are the one insisting that these people WANT to invade Mexico. You don't have actual statements from them, so you are imputing what they actually think based on what they HAVE NOT said. This is attempting to read their minds.
I do not have to read their minds. I am merely pointing out that there is no evidence that these people intend to invade Mexico. In fact, the examples they used were cases when US forces worked WITH local governments (not against them) to combat rogue military forces in their borders.
You are accusing me of reading minds, when it is you who is doing it. This is called projection.
"She also doesn’t say “while I am wearing a pink tutu”. She doesn’t say a lot of things. "
Yes but you have not ACCUSED her of wanting to invade Mexico while wearing a pink tutu. If you had done so, I would have been disputing that fact.
"Why should I give them the benefit of the doubt that they meant to say something responsible and reasonable, instead of something irresponsible and unreasonable?"
This says all that needs to be said about your partisanship. You have never let logic like this stand when Team Blue is at stake. You would be asking for a cite that proves they ACTUALLY think what they are accused of thinking. But when Team Red *doesn't* say something, then you feel confident just asserting that you know what they actually think.
And again you are completely pulling that out of your ass.
Trump:
"[I will] order the Department of Defense to make appropriate use of special forces, cyber warfare, and other overt and covert actions to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership, infrastructure and operations."
Gee, I don't see him saying "I will negotiate with Mexico's president to bring down the drug cartels". You WANT me to interpret his words in the most charitable favorable light. Why should I do that? I take him at what he actually said. So no I am not pulling anything out of my ass. I am just refusing to extend to him an excessively charitable interpretation.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
cytotoxic hinges entire 4-dozen comment chains on the placement of punctuation marks but gets huffy that pointing out his outright fabulism is "nitpicky." Good to see you're still the same morbidly obese fatass piece of shit Canadian neckbeard living in his mom's basement and pontificating about how illegal Mexicans should be given welfare but white Americans should not, cytotoxic.
Allow me to introduce you to Gavin Newsom, cytotoxic.
If the name Scott Wiener mentioned in that article as the author of the bill Newsom signed and supported allowing healthy children to be surgically mutilated in the state of California sounds familiar, it's because he's also the California stats senator who proposed making Drag Queen 101 a compulsory part of the state K-12 curriculum:
So now that I've shoved two examples up your fat faggot pedophile ass, want to keep trying to fabricate Republicans proposing an invasion or Mexico you lardass piece of shit?
No sane person advocates mutilating healthy children. Gender affirming care is only recommended for children who are NOT HEALTHY. As in, suffering from gender dysphoria.
I mean, the left/establishment is trying to provoke a nuclear war with Russia
Which appears to be no big deal for most democrats.
If there is no priority, why are so many Republicans openly calling for it.
"It is only in the fevered imagination of right-wing demagogues that there is any priority on the left 'to sterilize children or expose them to sex shows'."
Then why are you and so many others so fervently fighting to stop it if it's not happening?
No, it’s in reality. Because your democrat faggot friends keep doing that. It’s been covered here, and you’ve been giving links to this problem many times now. So stop fucking lying. You know better.
You really are just a morbidly obese pedophile wannabe, arrest you? Just too fucking fat to catch your own vicitim.
Ignore current dem supported wars because sometime in the future the GOP may do something bad.
Not a leftist.
Kind of an odd complaint coming from someone who's been blowing the neocon foreign interventionists since 2003 when you first formulated your "bomb the shitskins, import the survivors" shtick, cytotoxic.
You people are idiots. Do you not realize how many migrants would be created by declaring war on Mexico? We could import 100 million or so new citizens and they'd all be legit refugees fleeing the war!
Where is OBL when we need him most?
Yup. Simply declaring the cartels to be terrorist groups gives all the asylum applicants grounds to become legal permanent residents. And if the US invades Mexico we will see tens of millions flee the fighting.
So, exactly the same policy and exactly the same numbers as now. Sounds terrible, shreek. Oh wait, you support all of that. Weird.
So, you all realize that "secure the border" is a slogan, not a strategy, right?
So what exactly is the plan for "securing the border"? Finish the wall? Okay, but this means three things: (1) the government must steal land (use eminent domain) to finish it; (2) the wall must be continuously monitored and maintained by border guards, and (3) the guards must be willing to use deadly force to shoot people attempting to cross the wall. Because those are the only conditions under which "walls work". Do you really think the public is going to stomach border guards shooting desperately poor unarmed migrants whose only crime is trying to get to the Land of Opportunity?
Deport all the illegals? Okay, so how do you find them all? The government can either (1) impose a 'papieren, bitte' regime (too bad for that pesky Fourth Amendment) or (2) make conditions here so horrible for illegal migrants that they self-deport. The only way you can make conditions so horrible for the migrants is if you literally make it a crime for Americans to do business with them. They would then be consigned to these horrible ghettoes. Again public opinion is not going to stand for starving migrants in ghettoes for whom it is illegal to sell food or even to give them charitable aid.
So what is the plan?
This is how we know dems are imploding. Jeff has become unhinged.
He's been unhinged for years
I honestly believe he wants to fuck kids, but he’s too morbidly obese to make that happen. Probably too scared of getting caught too. Can you imagine a fat slug like Jeffy in a high security penitentiary with a child rapist label on him? Then factor in how irritating he is to deal with. He would be one brutally tortured pile of blubber.
(1) the government must steal land (use eminent domain) to finish it; (2) the wall must be continuously monitored and maintained by border guards, and (3) the guards must be willing to use deadly force to shoot people attempting to cross the wall.
Takings clause just says fair price, amend the constitution or shut up. As for two and three, I'll volunteer immediately. And yeah, people will tolerate violence if they believe the threat to be credible. Hate to break to ya on that one.
(1) impose a ‘papieren, bitte’ regime (too bad for that pesky Fourth Amendment) or (2) make conditions here so horrible for illegal migrants that they self-deport.
Or we could just admit that the constitution doesn't apply to non-citizens (in full). They'll leave when the writing is on the wall.
Takings clause just says fair price, amend the constitution or shut up.
It's still theft, just theft that is legalized by the Constitution.
As for two and three, I’ll volunteer immediately. And yeah, people will tolerate violence if they believe the threat to be credible. Hate to break to ya on that one.
So what is your strategy for swaying popular opinion to believe that penniless Guatemalans pose a violent security threat necessitating lethal force? You observed the pushback that both Trump and Obama got with the "kids in cages", right? What do you think will happen when that becomes "murdered kids in the desert"?
Or we could just admit that the constitution doesn’t apply to non-citizens (in full).
You would have to amend the Constitution (or shut up), since there are many places which refer to rights of the *people* and not just citizens, or where it refers to restrictions on the government that apply to all and not just to citizens.
And in order for that strategy to work, you will have to enlist the cooperation of a mass number of people to refuse to do business with migrants or refuse to give them aid. How do you intend to do that?
(1) Per the 5th amendment the government can do so provided there is just compensation.
(2) So what? The Feds just hired 87,000 IRS agents to collect taxes. Let's send those goons to the border, or better yet, lets close down some foreign bases and put US soldiers there. Hell be great training for recon/spec ops to track, report and assist with detainment.
(3) Again so what? If someone trespasses on your property and you shot them dead I wouldn't care because you have a right to defend your property. Same is true here.
Deport illegels?
Pretending that President Eisenhower didn't do just that back in the 1950s
In the 1950s, anyone in any Western Hemisphere country could go to the US consulate and apply for an immigrant visa. If they weren't criminals or likely to become public charges, they got a visa. All they needed to become permanent residents with green cards was a plane, train, or ship ticket. No numerical quotas.
It was imposing quotas on immigration from the Western Hemisphere in 1965 that created the illegal immigrant problem. Return to the pre 1965 law and the problem ends.
Except that literally everything you just said is wrong, shreek. The Immigration Act of 1924 instituted numerical caps, and came on the heels of the Immigration Act of 1917 that set limits on Asian immigrants and imposed a literacy requirement. During the 1950s we were using the Braceros program, where we get the term "Wetback" from, for itinerant farm labor to get around the numerical quotas.
lets close down some foreign bases and put US soldiers there.
I am fine with the closing down of foreign bases, but, there is this Posse Comitatus thing. Right now, border security is treated as a law enforcement issue so the military is prohibited from enforcing domestic law. But, if you want the military to be in charge of border security, then it would require Congress to amend the Posse Comitatus act and transfer authority for border security to the military. I think that would be a very dangerous step. Is that what you really want to do?
(3) Again so what? If someone trespasses on your property and you shot them dead I wouldn’t care because you have a right to defend your property. Same is true here.
Well, while I would have the right to shoot trespassers, I think others might legitimately question the propriety of shooting trespassers depending on the particular situation. I think it matters whether the trespasser is an armed adult male or a defenseless child. And I think that given the vast power disparity between the US government and penniless migrants, shooting them is not the most sensible course of action.
Well shit Jeffy, if we can’t have 100% compliance, why have a sovereign border at all, right? Might as well cancel all laws using that retarded leftist logic.
You are so completely full of shit. Quit wasting real commenter’s time with your idiocy and leave.
The Republicans will never imprison the corporate CEOs or suburban housewives who hire illegal immigrants. You can't make your base voters into convicted felons; they can't vote for you anymore.
I dunno cytotoxic, maybe if they were all unarmed women and the border guards were all racist pieces of shit with a history of leaving their firearms in the toilet you'd be heading up the cheerleading section like you did when Michael Byrd the black nationalist murdered the unarmed Ashli Babbitt.
You've assured us numerous times that they all show up for their court dates and are scrupulously tracked by ICE for that purpose, so it shouldn't be too hard, cytotoxic.
It's already illegal to knowingly hire an illegal immigrant, cytotoxic. Remember how you've spent the last 15 years shitting your pants on a daily basis about E-Verify?
Goddamn dude, you really are a stupid piece of shit.
“Do you really think the public is going to stomach border guards shooting, blah, blah, blah….”
If they know that they could face consequences (like jail) instead of welfare checks and free healthcare they will stop coming. No shots fired.
What an idiot.
Your whole second paragraph is some weird fantasy that makes zero sense. Are there bears in trunks?
Using the military to prevent drug manufacturing and smuggling seems like, at best, the wrong tool for a very messy job. This is not a task a military is designed for success at (the Coast Guard notwithstanding).
And what does Mexico say about this? Oh right, Republicans do not recognize the sovereignty of Mexico. To be fair, neither do the Democrats.
Funny you mention that. As Mexico has little regard for American sovereignty. They’re bad neighbors, and we’re just trying to minimize the damage they cause to us.
The US has invaded Mexico at least three times and once it conspired to successfully assassinate Mexico's President. Mexico has never invaded the US and in fact the only time it's military has ever fought outside the US was when it sent an air squadron to fight alongside Americans in the Philippines against Japan during World War II.
We'll just politely forget that the reason America invaded Mexico was because Mexico refused to acknowledge the annexation of Texas and US territorial boundaries since we're all friends here, right shreek?
Goddamn you’re a fucking lying traitor.
The Mexican military has routinely crossed the US border in the past decade. In one incident they even detained American military and law enforcement on the US side of the border. There have been multiple other military excursions by the Mexican Military throughout it's history, into US territory.
As to your statement above about the US military and mountain warfare, it's a complete lack of understanding of tactics. The defender always has the advantage in mountain warfare. However, despite this built in advantage the US military has had some great successes in offensive operations in mountainous warfare. You mentioned Kassarine pass, which was an unbloodied US Army vs Rommel. And despite that setback, the US Army still won that campaign. At the same time the US won victories in mountainous Guadalcanal, Pelieu, New Guinea, Okinawa, Sicily etc.
There is absolutely zero chance of the United States sending the military to Mexico to stop drug trafficking. When a Republican offers a concrete plan to do so I will condemn and fret over it. Until then, I would love it if we could talk about actual liberty-crushing, federal interventions that are being considered right now. Like perhaps legislation to extend the war in Ukraine. Or legislation to pack our courts.
In case it isn't painfully obvious, tough on crime statements like, "I will allow the world's greatest military to fight these terrorists" are not concrete plans to invade Mexico.
By simply reading the headline of the article, one might feel confused and alarmed. You might ask yourself questions like, "My God, how did I miss this news of Republican plans to use the military to invade Mexico?" "Why hasn't this been on the front page of every newspaper for days?" "What's the Ginni Thomas connection and has the military received training on Espanol LGBT lingo?"
Quickly, you will realize that the answer to these questions is that the headline is a hyperbolic non-truth. I hate when the people at Reason that I respect do this kind of thing. Dang it Matthew.
GOP: lets send our military into Mexico
DNC: lets house all of Mexico on our military bases
Tough choice……probably going to screw us with both.
Dnc: also let's give operational control of the borders to the cartels.
Just FYI, our military has been in Mexico for decades, helping train and assist the Mexicans against the cartels.
Tim Scott (1.8 percent)
Skin color is the most important thing.
Gee Kiddie Raper, that sounds awfully racist. Though typical of a democrat like you.
Go ahead shreek, it's OK, you can call him a nigger. You've been banned for posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography. Do you somehow imagine it's possible for anyone to think any less of you?
Yes, let’s invade Mexico all the way to Tierra Del Fuego. Then, let’s occupy Mainland China. How dare they make drugs illegal in the USA and create a gigantic market for their drugs. Then, we can deport all the Hispanics back to Spain and deport the Chinese back to from whence they came.
All we have to do is kill social security, medicare, and food stamps and give more tax breaks to billionaires. Then, we have more than enough money to invade and conquer the Hispanic South and China.
Parody? Or do you just excel at saying stupid shit?
This is shreek's 4th sock in this thread, so...
I really hope he dies horribly. I hope one of those kids he rapes finally decides to palm some kind of shiv, and then slices Shreek’s nuts off with it.
Trump’s ban on Muslims of certain nationalities from entering the country, most notoriously
Trump did not issue any “ban on Muslims of certain nationalities form entering the country.” He issued a ban on *people* of certain nationalities from entering. Sure, the people of those countries were predominantly Muslim (until he tinkered with the list to add North Korea, Venezuela, Myanmar, Nigeria, and Tanzania), but if you were a Christian, Jew, Zoroastrian, or Baha’i from Iran, you were just as ineligible to enter the country as Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Hosseini Khamenei himself.
And there are dozens of Muslim majority nations that were not on that list. So declaring it a ‘Muslim ban’ was just more nonsensical bullshit from the left.
our Constitution mandates FedGov to "repel foreign invaders". That would be the millions now sashaying across that line in the sand we call our Southern Border. (huge lump of tongue in left cheek on that claim)
It does NOT authorise invading a foreign nation which is exporting "stuff we don't like" into our country.
Depoly our miitary to the southern line and turn them loose to "repel foreign invaders". Give them the tools they need to locate, identify, and repel or destroy any such invaders. We have satellite and drone technology that can pinpoint an item as small as a poodle dog from 50,000 feet. Incluidng GPS cordinates wto within three feet.
Depoly drones tto patrol the full length of the border and five miles at least offshore at both ends. When a sighting is made, for the first thirty days of the "operation", fly low enough to broadcast a stern warning to turn around or we WILL fire upon you. After the first thirty days, when several groups have been vapourised for refusing to turn around and return to Mexico, no more warnings. First charge lands a couple hundred feet away. Next one, if no suitable response, lands in the middle of the group which will quickly cease to exist. I guarantee that before the first ninety days have passed, the southern boundary will be effectively sealed.
Then announce broadly that any and all people found within the Uinted States that do NOT have authorisation to be here lawfully will be aggressively rounded up and returned to their country pf origin, and of they can't remember where they were born, their default country of origin will be Mexico.
Let AMLO squeal and holler and dance the cucaracha but politely infoirm him that those folks invading HIS country from all round the world are HIS doing, and HE will now have to deal with them as they are NOT sliding accross that line in the sand out in west Texas. He ain't stupid, let HIM read the handwriting on the wall.
I was going to say something similar. Our military should protect our southern border period- END OF STORY. The state department recently issued travel advisories to Jamaica, Cuba, Mexico, Columbia, Venezuela and Peru ( they wishwashed on Peru). Kidnappings as common as walking on a street, gang rule, cannibalism, etc. If the U. S. interferes south of the border, the socialists in academia immediately cast it as white colonization. It’s tragic and a humanitarian disaster. We should send food aid and that’s that.
The mainstream media never report on the journalists murdered south of the border, or even the Nevada journalist murder.
He ain’t stupid all right, when Trump was in, the Mexican military defended the Mexican southern border.
Oh yeah, and Shining Path is a designated terrorist group and all of a sudden there are mainland Chinese flooding across the border.
US law gives anyone in the US or at a port of entry the right to apply for asylum. Those are the “invaders”.
The right to apply for asylum does not entail the right to enter the country through a neutral or safe harbor country, such as Mexico, or to be granted asylum at any point in the future. But you knew that, shreek.
It goes without saying that a prerequisite for all of these border restrictionist fantasies is for the US to tear up the treaty on asylum.
It says “shall protect (each state) against invasion.” It does not say “repel foreign invaders.” It also does not say HOW the Federal government will carry out such protection, or define “invasion” in such a way that it might cover drug smugglers or otherwise peaceful migrant farm workers. If you don’t want a fentanyl overdose, don’t take fentanyl. Let anyone who wants to OD on narcotics do so – and don’t administer the Narcan to anyone who voluntarily took the narcotics. The problem will eventually correct itself after the hopelessly addicted people kill themselves off.
Depoly drones tto patrol the full length of the border and five miles at least offshore at both ends. When a sighting is made, for the first thirty days of the “operation”, fly low enough to broadcast a stern warning to turn around or we WILL fire upon you. After the first thirty days, when several groups have been vapourised for refusing to turn around and return to Mexico, no more warnings.
this is fantasy talk. (well, fantasy for you I guess. not so much for them.) there is literally zero chance that any president or any border patrol chief is going to tell his officers to open fire on defenseless women and children. it's like some of you were completely asleep at the public outrage over the 'kids in cages' controversy or the 'family separation' controversy or, hell, the 'border patrol on horseback using a whip' controversy. If some guy using a whip on horseback is enough to cause a scandal, what makes you think there is any level of public support for mass murder of unarmed migrants in the desert?
and EVEN IF you somehow did get your insane plan passed, you know what would happen? they would just use airports. or seaports. or enter via Canada. Then what?
This is the inevitable result with the border restrictionist crowd. By their own admission "securing the border" necessitates mass murder.
You are a lying waste of life.
Mexico City has a lower homicide rate than most US cities. I was there last summer and it is indeed in a lot better shape than much of the US.
So then the 20 million of its citizens who have illegally immigrated to the US in the last 25 years are not in need of asylum, right shreek?
Want to give this one another think and take a 2nd crack at it?
There is NO Republican consensus regarding sending the US military into Mexico. There isn't a Democrat consensus on the issue either, but it would be closer to accurate to claim there was.
Really?
So which of their Prez candidates offers something different?
What part of the GOP voting base will vote for something different?
Answer - you're just a useful idiot for the R's
The fentanyl crossed the border in a private plane, broke into my house at night, then forced itself into my mouth while I was snoring and made me swallow the overdose! Terrorism, I tell you ... TERRORISM! Personally I think we should put bales of fentanyl on every street corner in every major city in the United States and let nature take its course. Nice kid ya got there, Mom ... be a shame if sumthin' happened to him ...
They're probably thinking more of the US citizens murdered by drug cartel convoys than the junkies shooting up and dying on the streets of your glorious Democratic enclaves like San Francisco, but you knew that.
Marya, it’s possible that it never occurred to you to question the principle that Americans traveling outside the United States should be officially protected by the United States government no matter where in the world they travel or how dangerous their behavior might be, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt by suggesting that if you want protection from the United States government you should stay in the United States. If you decide to leave the United States with your family and go to a place where criminal drug cartels operate convoys the risk is yours and yours alone. Even if you go on vacation (or on a proselytizing mission?) to, say, downtown San Francisco, the Supreme Court has determined that the local police have no Constitutional duty to protect you from criminals. If the Seattle police, for example, have no duty to protect you against being murdered by drug-addicted mentally-ill homeless people, why should you expect the U.S. army to protect you against criminal drug cartels in Mexico?
Dateline June 7, 2047. The Mexican War entered it's 20th year today with little to show but 36,000 American troops dead. President Kardashian stated emphatically that America is going to stay the course until the cartels are brought to their knees. In a related story...Karexadol is being called "The worst drug ever" by the DEA as calls to invade Canada to stop the scourge are mounting.
Heh!
These people are delusional. No surprises here.
People who provide a desired product to willing customers are NOT "terrorists". On the other hand, government thugs who resolve to use force to prevent such voluntary transactions ARE.
Tim Scott, go flog yourself. If you send goons to my house to try to run my life, I'll treat them as I would any other criminal.
Taking actions or passing legislation in reaction to all of the bad decisions made over, the many decades, is like putting bandages on top of bandages on top of bandages. All of our current problems began with Progressives, early in the 20th century, when they decided that unalienable rights did not extend to those who are "unvirtuous". That's when we began to have laws against sin. Christians were happy about it, but it set us on a course of ever-growing government power. It has fostered contempt for individual liberty and, now, we have all been rendered children under the law. I guess our unalienable rights were not so "unalienable".
The US sent its military into numerous countries on far shakier grounds than those that prevail along our southern border. And since the elected government of Mexiuco is either unable or unwilling (or both!) to even moderate the cartels' anti-social and anti-human activities, Mexicans would be grateful if someone, anyone, would com to their aid and restore a semblance of societal order in their land.
Of course, this is nothing more than the plain unvarnished truth, and I fully realize that it stands no chance in the face of today's main-stream "thinking."
Libertarians believe there should be no standing army, only a well armed militia of citizens. Libertarians also believe in non-interventionism of sovereign foriegn nations. That does not make libertarians isolationist, only non-interventionists.
Republicans are not libertarians. At the most some Republicans are libertarian leaning, like Rand Paul. Yet some Democratic classic liberals also leaned libertarians, then Democratic classic liberals ceased to exist, replace by woke radical socialist Democrats.
As a libertarian I would say no, but it is not without precedent:
The U.S. Army, under Major General Winfield Scott, invaded the Mexican heartland and captured the capital, Mexico City, in September 1847.
Of course it was the Democrats that actually invaded Mexico:
James Knox Polk was the 11th president of the United States, serving from 1845 to 1849. Before he became president, Polk served as the 13th speaker of the House of Representatives and ninth governor of Tennessee. A protégé of Andrew Jackson, he was a member of the Democratic Party and an advocate of Jacksonian.
Warmongers way back then!
Actually invading Mexico and annexing the country would not be bad policy, we would have a much smaller southern border to defend against illegals. (sarc)
Alcoholic memory.
And given the uncountable number of times Reason has cited [checks notes] an OpEd columnist from [checks again] Newsweek or David Fucking French as some sort of representative of
GOPright-wingconservative throught, yeah, Newsome, leader of the largest Democratic *S*tate outside the Federal Government is fair fucking game.Shreek's. It's a fairly old one. The stupid cunt brings them out from time to time hoping everyone who remembers them from years ago has since left. And every fucking time I'm here to out them for him.
This is a shreek sock, so lying pedophile is the answer you're looking for.