Gas Stove Bans Promoted From Baseless Conspiracy Theory to New York State Policy
New York's budget deal includes a ban on gas stoves in new residential construction.
The government actually is coming for your gas stove.
New York's new state budget includes a provision banning gas stoves in new residential construction. CNN reports that only electric stoves will be allowed in buildings under seven stories by 2026 and taller buildings by 2029.
The policy is the latest successful attack on an appliance used and cherished by millions of Americans.
Berkeley, California, was the first city to ban gas stoves in new buildings in 2019. A handful of other California cities have since followed suit. New York City adopted a local-level ban at the end of 2021. It goes into effect next year for smaller buildings.
Those are all pretty blue places, whose populations generally took the new bans with grace and good humor. When Consumer Product Safety Commission member Richard Trumka Jr. suggested this ban could be adopted nationwide, gas stove owners everywhere flipped out.
In response to the backlash, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.) assured everyone that government gas-grabbing was a MAGA conspiracy theory. Mainstream media fact-checkers said much the same thing. In the senator's state, at least, the conspiracists did have something to worry about.
Supporters of gas stove bans argue that the gas needed to fuel them is bad for the climate and that the emissions they produce within the home are bad for your health.
Steve Everley, writing in National Review in January, covered several flaws in the most recent studies finding serious health impacts from gas stoves. Experimental studies that found links between gas stoves and child asthma used airtight rooms without ventilation. The author of another much-touted meta-analysis finding a link between gas stoves and child asthma said their study "does not assume or estimate a causal relationship." Masses of earlier studies, Everley notes, have found no health impacts from gas stoves.
In the short-term, mandated electrification of appliances is probably worse for the climate. On-site use of gas stoves and furnaces uses almost all the energy in the gas. Generating electricity from gas and then using that electricity to power appliances is much less efficient. Of New York's 10 largest power plants, for instance, five are powered by natural gas.
Another reason to oppose gas stove bans is that people like their gas stoves.
"Most home chefs—and pretty much all professional chefs—will tell you that electric stoves take a long time to heat up and are far less responsive when changing heat levels. Induction stoves, which are actually quite fast to heat up, require different types of cookware and kitchen thermometers, in addition to being a lot more expensive than electric stoves," wrote Reason's Liz Wolfe earlier this year.
Despite spreading bans, there is some hope for gas stove enthusiasts. Trumka's comments saw Republicans and Democrats in Congress propose legislation to protect the appliances from a federal ban.
A recent federal appeals court case also struck down Berkeley's ban because federal appliance regulations preempted it. That decision was highly technical, however, and likely leaves other avenues for gas stove bans to be passed at the state and local levels.
In the Empire State, it's too little, too late for lovers of gas stoves.
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"conspiracy theory" is now another word for "spoiler"
It’s like they’re mad we noticed.
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This has been a conspiracy fact for years now. They have said they want to eliminate gas in homes for at least the last 10 years.
And yet no one on any of the numerous house flipping shows on TV ever says "I'm going to take out that gas range and put in an electric stove."
As if the politicians give a shit about how it affects us, how much it'll cost us or how many resources are wasted. Fing dumbasses.
Please do not insult dumbasses by associating them with politicians.
Having recently switched from gas to induction, I can assure you that it is simply false that "On-site use of gas stoves and furnaces uses almost all the energy in the gas" since most of the heat from the stove goes into the kitchen or up the hood, not into the cookware. I also continue to use nearly all of the pots and pans I already had on the induction cooktop which heats faster than the gas did and doesn't heat up the kitchen. Facts can be annoying.
Doesn't heat up the kitchen? WTF good is that?
In the wintertime, at least, all of the energy from my gas stove, as well as all my lightbulbs and other appliances generating waste heat gets used.
How well does that induction stove cook during a blackout?
No problem, just fire up the genny.
With what?
KOed em!
So when they outlaw small gasoline engines, then what are you going to do?
As Commiefornia goes, so goes the rest of the nation.
Soon, it will be a criminal act to use a gas powered implement.
^ This.
How are people in Buffalo NY going to keep warm in a blackout.
I live in Syracuse and I do not think people realize what this means. People will die, the poor and the elderly will suffer greatly from this NY is cold weather state. The commission’s report says they will not be able to meet all the demand and that there is no technology available at this time that will make up the shortfall. They plan to keep the power on with rainbows and unicorn farts
Kathy Hochul is just another reason why women do not belong in politics .
Whitmer is another reason.
So? Fuck off, slaver. I like my gas stove.
I lost my gas stove in a boating accident.
Wow, me too. And all my guns were in it.
The humanity!
My stove, my guns, my ex-wife!
Seems you have jrlevine's number
Facts can be annoying.
They sure can. You didn’t say where you are from, but the fact is 60% of the electricity in the United States to power awesome induction cooktops like yours, is generated burning fossil fuels, a process that is about 40% efficient. But at least your kitchen doesn’t heat up.
He doesn’t care because he will be happy to eat raw bugs
So why would you need anything to cook with? After all , you're going to be eating bugs and you will be happy.
Facts can be annoying.
They sure can – and I’m calling BS on your “fact” about your existing pots and pans. Induction cookware must be ferromagnetic for the induction to work. They won’t do squat to glass, ceramics, copper, aluminum or even certain stainless steel cookware. In my kitchen, that leaves my cast iron pan and maybe one old pot.
I know this because I actually looked into upgrading from traditional electric to induction during a recent kitchen remodel. The cost of replacing all my cookware broke the deal. I calculated that neither I nor my kids would live long enough to make back in the electricity savings the money we would lose in replacing the gear.
By the way, you're also wrong in your efficiency ratings. In an induction cooktop, 85-90% of the energy goes into heating the food. A conventional stove is less but not that much less - 65-70% of the fuel energy goes into heating the food. When you layer on the inefficiencies of generating and transmitting electricity (typically about 60% losses), a gas stove is actually more efficient at transmitting the original raw material energy into your food.
"Facts can be annoying."
He was making that claim for himself clearly. Excellently defenestrated.
We found all of what you said to be true. It only makes sense if you are starting from literally nothing (no cookware, no oven, so existing energy lines) to go all induction.
The cookware we have alone would never be replaced by the energy cost difference, which for us is near zero, and also when you add in that a lot of these buildings wont be using the fancy induction tech, as its something a person has to buy into with their cookware, the effect on the environment is also negligible. Especially when you consider most electricity is still generated by fossil fuels.
Same shit as always. Commie pipe dream with a side of utopian thinking. Always gets smacked in the face by reality. Or as our friend above said..."Facts can be annoying."
Don't forget, it will all be powered by rainbow colored unicorn farts.
Or maybe they could harness Joe Biden's farts.
There are newer, higher-frequency "all metal" induction cookers that can use any type of metal pots and pans. Older units could not.
Yes, there are - and they are wildly inefficient compared to using a ferromagnetic pot. Which defeats the only purpose of having such a range.
“When you layer on the inefficiencies of generating and transmitting electricity (typically about 60% losses)”
This is an important point that I was coming here to make. The loss from stepping up, transmitting, stepping down and distributing power is more like 10 – 15%. Your point remains though. Power plants themselves run at 34% (coal, nuclear) – 45% (nat gas) efficiency. So if your electricity comes from natural gas, 55% of your energy was lost converting it to electricity. 62% is gone by the time it reaches your stove. And that means with even the most efficient induction cooker, only 34% of the original energy made it into heating your food.
Of course the standard environmentalist says this is all moot when we go solar. Solar panels are around 20 – 35% efficient, but their waste isn’t in using up solar energy- it is in land. My back of the envelope calculations (using the efficiencies gained in hyper-scale solar and storage systems, not the inefficient systems at the house) indicate that just one 1900 Watt stove requires a 90 square feet of solar panels to provide power for the year…With 124 Million households in the US, we are talking 395 Square Miles of solar panels just dedicated to stoves. That’s roughly 36% of the Mojave Desert National Preserve.
I had an induction cooktop. It great for boiling water (but if you want efficiency, an electric kettle is better, as a simple old heating element is more efficient at putting more of its heat into the water, as the induction cooktop wastes heat on all its solid state electronics, too). I would say it was about 20% faster at the process. But for cooking food it was quite meh. Half the
and there's also the fact that an induction stove requires a 40-50 amp 220v circuit. this means that you need 2 slots avail in your panel and the current capacity to drive the stove. you need to run a new circuit to the stove too. all of this is expensive, but for many homes may not be possible without upgrading the panel or even the service to the house.
I have an induction stove..I want to murder, by roasting alive via induction, whatever asshole came up with that dumbass idea.
How do you cook a pizza in an induction oven?
Pizza with bug topping. Yummmm.
Agreed. By all means be a libertarian, be against regulations, but don't hate on induction stoves. I got one for about what I was going to spend on a regular (electric) stove, and its terrific. That whole you'll have to buy new pots and pans seems overdone as well. Sure, I cant use a few pots and pans, I donated those, but most worked no problem, and it was not costly to buy new ones.
Laboratories of democracy? Petri dishes is more like it.
Can I ask if facts changed in your mind for this story? Or just every other story you were wrong about?
It’s just ideas.
Dumb ideas.
Move the goddamn reply button
Nobody promised that when you'll be forced to eat the bugs that they'd be cooked first. Now shut up and eat the raw bugs.
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>>Consumer Product Safety Commission member Richard Trumka Jr.
criminal union thug has a job in our government, or the "Jr." part sets him aside as the non-criminal son?
It's the second one, with a cautious maybe on the adjective.
possibly-criminal son.
Sounds like a character right out of Atlas Shrugged. I wonder how many brown shirts are in his closet.
I bought a uHoo air quality monitor to check NO2 levels from my gas stove. NO2 doesn’t noticeably go up when I cook with gas. I do vent to the outside FWIW.
Props on the headline, and good callout. +1 point for Reason.
The most hilarious thing about this is the NY shitlibs such as AOC have been the loudest about "No one cares about your gas stove you conspiracy crank! Gosh right wingers!!!" and then like a month later they have a gas stove ban.
It would be funnier I suppose if it wasn't also so concerning how they have no shame about their lies, lack of principles, and turnaround from 'conspiracy theory' to 'law' in a matter of months. Really Orwellian stuff here
Really Orwellian stuff here
It's as if they think 1984 was an instruction manual.
You WILL comply and you WILL like it.
Room 101.........
It was even worse. Hochul was announcing these rules the same week the Biden administration walked back (for the moment) the federal policy.
“From Baseless Conspiracy Theory To [snip] State Policy”
Whelp, put it on the list with the others I guess.
My brother, Mike Laursen:
"What did the left ever call a conspiracy theory?"
Just a reminder
Mike is always wrong. You could place winning bets by doing the opposite of anything he suggests.
Can the ban itself be banned by the courts, because it increases emissions? As such, it totally fails the Supreme Court's benefit-to-cost requirement for reasonableness of regulations.
As a reformed leftie, I can tell you for sure that the goal is NOT to save the environment. It is to mandate and to find ways to abuse the poor. Gas is cheaper...screw it let's ban it. Cars are bad...screw it charge more for parking, for gas or better yet congestion pricing...screw it poor people. I've sat in groups of nutty liberals where this is the overwhelming attitude. This is a small example of how the progressive left wants to own you. Wake up.
Yeah, it’s always been about righteousness for the rich white proggies: don’t smoke! Don’t drive a car! Don’t eat junk food! And now don’t cook with gas and you can be just like us, but we will still look down on you
definitely feels more like a 'Patent War' instead of anything positive, since the Cult of Peace has hijacked most of the oil refining the West created, thus this being more about buying 'energy' from China via parts and batteries instead of OPEC oil
It is mainly about screwing the people they don't like. Those who work in the Oil and Gas industry are not part of their click, they don't like them so anything they can do to stick it to them they will. You see this in all the new regulations they propose, take the California truck banning law they just announced...truck drivers don't vote the way they like, they don't belong to the same clubs as them so screw them. Or these gun bans, who cares if millions of people own them and have never committed a crime with them, they don't like the people so screw them. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEgCp6qqxik&ab_channel=OrsoRaggiante)
They want to give you one option they can control.
The real goal is to make themselves feel good by making other people suffer to make minimal progress toward their goals, all while keeping their own SUV, giant gas range, and gated home.
Scratch a liberal and you will uncover a tyrant, every time.
How many more "conspiracy theories" are going to have to be proven true before people realize they're being gaslit every time the media uses the term?
Mike Laursen: “Name one conspiracy theory that has been proven.”
LOL
It wasn't even a conspiracy theory; we literally had the left advocating this, only to backtrack after the initial pushback.
And we still had assholes here trying to tell us that didn’t happen.
Weren't we told getting rid of gas stoves was just a conspiracy theory not too long ago? We're in the decade of Conspiracy-As-Truth.
It’s called gas-stove-lighting.
They all use gas stoves because they rock. Fuck the plebes.
eh, eh. it's killing the planet. Right. The hood fans barely do anything. What a joke.
Read about Escoffier and the kinds of kitchens he cooked some amazing stuff in. We originally learned to cook over fire. Fun Fact - fire cooks stuff really well and efficiently. No restaurant I have ever cooked in used electric burners to move their food.
Are we microwaving the next round of 'sustenance'? I'm not.
But meat is murder and Gaia hates cooking. Too bad the eco warriors were not around when early man started using fire.
Or maybe they were and just got added to the menu.
If our ancestors hadn’t eaten meat we’d all be extinct.
Please tell that to vegans.
Save the planet...eat a vegan.
So progressive activist assholes are now clearly in a new fuck you, we don't give a shit what people think and legal foundations allow phase. I sure hope they ramp this up another 3 or 4 increments before November 2024.
What possible basis could there be for a national gas stove ban?
I believe NY slavers have a plan, and it looks like if might be for 5 years. You don't have to read a lot of history to know how those benefit the population.
BTW, under what authority does a state government tell you how to cook your dinner?
The Green Leap Forward gives government at every level the power, ( (nay, the duty) to decide whether or not your life, Liberty, and pursuit of happiness is sustainable enough to be allowed. It’s almost like the state is “seizing” the “means of production” or something.
Except it's really a Green Leap Backward, despite the "progress" in Progressive. Hence the infatuation with trains.
I'm telling you right now, before the greenies are finished, there will be no motorized means of transport. No cell phones, Iphones, smart phones, no electricity and no happiness anywhere, which is what they want: a joyless existence that serves only the state.
Perhaps the headline should be, "[Another]... Baseless Conspiracy Theory ...[becomes]... State Policy."
Along with every other Baseless Conspiracy Theory that has led to pointless subsidies for "alternative energy sources", blowing up still functional coal-fired generating plants without offering any usable replacement power and pointless bans on everything else that relies on dependable fuels sources before there is any market ready substitute.
Seems to me this has gone from "Conspiracy Theory" to "Conspiracy Fact."
My home came with a gas stove; that’s not my fault. Still, in a show of solidity and to do my part to save the planet, I have replaced my gas stove with good, clean electric stoves. And I make sure to let my friends and family know, so hopefully they will switch, too, especially when I call out their use of gas appliances in this day and age. People should know better, and sometimes we need to put on the pressure.
It also makes sure no one mistakes me for the kind of person who enjoys natural gas: republicans.
You do realize that by throwing away a perfectly good stove and requiring another one to be manufactured and delivered, you've done twice as much damage to the Earth, right?
You haven't done a thing for the planet.
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It was never a baseless conspiracy theory. It was maligned as such by lefty assholes, and their sycophantic followers in the media because it made them look bad.
Which editor do you think writes these headlines?
Since 3/5th of the electricity in New York comes from burning natural gas, they're just moving the carbon further up the pipeline.
And increasing the carbon since the generation and transmission losses of electricity will more than offset the efficiency within the stovetop.
There are only two types of people who live in New York/California: those who enjoy being told what to do and those who can’t afford to move out.
I’d say “those who enjoy being told what to do and those enjoying telling everyone else what to do”. And it could be those who enjoy both.
And those who are piling up their cash until they move out the day they retire, so California won’t get a 9.3% cut when we start to draw down our 401ks.
Pensions are in free fall. Solution pension funds short fossil bans and buy green mandates
Rationing electricity will be based on wealth, race, immigration status, gender identity or lack of and income
No, it will be based on social credit score.
"but, but, but... The sky is falling down!!!", all the chicken-little sh*ts.
NYC in May of 2012
"Mayor Michael Bloomberg's food police have struck again! Outlawed are food donations to homeless shelters because the city can't assess their salt, fat and fiber content"
So , they can die, but just so they don't die fat.
“Hochul’s favorability rating with voters stands at 46% to 43%, a decline from 48% to 42% last month, the poll found. Voters by a 56% to 40% margin approve of the job she’s doing as governor, with slightly more voters disapproving from a month ago.”
The [Sienna] poll of 744 voters was conducted from Feb. 19 to Feb. 23. It has a margin of error of 5 percentage points.
New Yorkers seem to really like authoritarian leaders. Makes me wonder how well Stalin or Mao would rate with them, especially if they were to round up all of the wrong thinkers and put them in gulags.
There's no cure for stupid.
Didn't reason call this a conspiracy theory? In that roundabout 'can't really tell what we're saying' way they have?
Well it WAS a conspiracy theory, until it wasn't. Capiche?
Now move along, nothing to see hear, and junk your climate destroying oven already!
But, rest assured, the gas "lighting" will continue unabated.
No, Reason never called this a conspiracy theory. There was an article that included a quote calling this a conspiracy theory but the context of the Reason article was more skeptical than supportive of that claim.
The ex owned a ‘camp’ in the North Adirondacks. City folk don’t understand: – how cold it gets – how undependable electric service is (all the trees and wires) – how important gas heaters, stoves and fireplaces are to survival in Winter where the grid is fragile.
Once we traveled to our ‘camp’ e.g. cabin, arriving near sunset. The power was out, but we had expected that and had a warming plan that involved the gas stove, gas heater, franklin stove, and hideaway bed in front of the franklin stove/ fireplace. We executed the plan flawlessly, and at a pause, I looked at the thermometer, The ‘inside ‘ temp was -5 F
now run the scenario with an all electric cabin…
"We don't want to take your gas stove. We just want to make it impossible for you to have one! We just want to have an adult conversation about reasonable gas stove regulations." Bam! Another right-wing conspiracy theory turns out to be true.
I design restaurants. If electric or induction were cheaper or better performing, we would be asked to put them in just about every chef's kitchen.
Commercial Electric / Induction stovetops installed to date: 0
Welp, the good citizens of the state of New York are reaping what they sowed, so they should just shut up and obey." If you vote, you have no right to complain." George Carlin.
What's so unbelievable is so many people actually believe this climate change rubbish, they will make their own lives miserable even without some government lackey doing it for them.
Ask any professional chef what he thinks of electric cooking ranges. You will never find one in any restaurant either.
It's not about saving the earth, it's about power and control, the same as the covid hoax.
It's only going to get worse. be prepared to fight back.
During power outages people with gas stoves can still cook and make a hot meal, and with increased demand on the electrical grid and reduced supply, expect many more outages.