Washington Is Now the 10th State With a Logically and Constitutionally Dubious 'Assault Weapon' Ban
A federal lawsuit notes that the new law draws arbitrary distinctions and targets guns in common use for legal purposes.

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee yesterday signed into law three gun control bills, including an "assault weapon" ban, a 10-day waiting period for all firearm purchases, and a training requirement for buyers. "Today marked the latest development in what the Seattle Times editorial board has called 'a sea-change in Washington's gun laws,'" Inslee, a Democrat, bragged. "Washington state is putting the gun industry in its place and improving the health, safety and lives of our residents."
While the satisfaction of sticking it to "the gun industry" is a matter of perspective, the promise that the new laws will measurably improve public safety seems highly dubious, especially when it comes to the semi-automatic rifles that Inslee and the Democrat-controlled Washington State Legislature have deemed intolerable. H.B. 1240, which makes Washington the 10th state to prohibit the production, sale, and possession of "assault weapons" (counting Hawaii, whose ban is limited to pistols), takes the familiar approach of targeting specific models and other firearms that meet a set of arbitrary criteria. Like the other bans, it exempts currently owned guns.
In addition to a list of models that includes the AK-47 "in all its forms" and the AR-15 "in all its forms," H.B. 1240 applies to any "semiautomatic, center fire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine" and any of nine features. The prohibited features include pistol grips, folding or telescoping stocks, flash suppressors, muzzle breaks, barrel shrouds, and threaded barrels.
Here is how The New York Times explains the logic of this definition: "AR-15-style rifles have been a particular point of concern among gun control proponents as they have often been the weapon of choice in mass shootings. The high-capacity firearms can fire rounds at a greater velocity than a handgun, resulting in more severe injuries."
Contrary to what the Times says, "AR-15-style rifles" are not the "the weapon of choice" in mass shootings. "Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 161 different handguns being used in 111 incidents between 1982 and April 2023," Statista reports. "These figures are calculated from a total of 142 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 78 percent of mass shootings."
That jibes with a 2022 National Institute of Justice report on public mass shootings from 1966 through 2019, which found that 77 percent of the perpetrators used handguns. About a quarter of the killers used weapons that would be covered by legislation like H.B. 1240.
Several of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history—including the 2007 Virginia Tech attack, which killed 32 people, and the 1991 Luby's massacre, which killed 23—involved ordinary handguns. It seems clear that even eliminating all "assault weapons," which H.B 1240 does not purport to do, would not prevent such crimes.
Mass shootings, of course, account for a tiny share of all gun homicides. In the broader picture, the role of what the Times calls "military-style semiautomatic weapons" is even smaller. In 2021, according to FBI data, rifles of any kind, only a subset of which would qualify as "assault weapons," were used in 6.5 percent of gun homicides where the type of firearm was specified. The share for handguns was 87 percent.
The Times also says the guns targeted by H.B 1240 are "high-capacity firearms" that "can fire rounds at a greater velocity than a handgun, resulting in more severe injuries." But Washington's definition of "assault weapons" does not hinge on ammunition capacity or muzzle velocity. A state law enacted in March already banned the sale of magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds. And with or without the newly prohibited features, a rifle fires the same ammunition at the same rate with the same muzzle velocity.
As President Joe Biden has conceded, the distinctions drawn by "assault weapon" bans make little sense, since they allow the production and sale of guns that are "just as deadly." That insight, however, has not deterred Biden from pushing a new, supposedly improved version of the federal ban that expired in 2004. The legislation that Biden supports, which is similar to H.B. 1240, does not address the fundamental defect that he identified in a 2019 New York Times essay: Laws like these leave would-be mass murderers with plenty of equally lethal alternatives.
Unsurprisingly, there is little evidence to support the belief that such bans reduce mass shooting deaths. The RAND Corporation says "assault weapon bans have uncertain effects on mass shootings," adding that "evidence for this relationship is inconclusive."
The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), joined by the Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC), has already filed a federal lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of H.B. 1240. "The State has enacted a flat prohibition on the manufacture, sale, import and distribution of many types of firearms, inaccurately labeled as 'assault weapons,' which are owned by millions of ordinary citizens across the country," says SAF Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. "In the process, the state has criminalized a common and important means of self-defense, the modern semiautomatic rifle. The state has put politics ahead of constitutional rights."
The firearms covered by Washington's ban are "ordinary semiautomatic rifles," SAF Executive Director Adam Kraut notes. "To the extent they are different from other semiautomatic rifles, their distinguishing features make them safer and easier to use. But even if they are considered as a separate group of 'assault weapons,' they cannot be banned because they are not dangerous and unusual."
Under the test that the Supreme Court established last year in New York Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, Washington has the burden of proving that H.B. 1240 is "consistent with this Nation's tradition of firearm regulation." In their complaint, the SAF and the FPC argue that the state cannot meet that test.
Under the Supreme Court's precedents, the complaint says, "the only historical tradition that can remove a firearm from the Second Amendment's protective scope" is "the tradition of banning dangerous and unusual weapons." That category does not include "arms that are in common use" for lawful purposes, "as the firearms Washington has banned unquestionably are."
The SAF and the FPC note that "AR-15 rifles are among the most popular firearms in the nation, and they are owned by millions of Americans." They cite a recent survey that found "about 24.6 million Americans have owned AR-15 or similar modern semiautomatic rifles."
Two-thirds of the respondents who reported owning AR-15-style rifles said they used them for recreational target shooting, while half mentioned hunting and a third mentioned competitive shooting. Sixty-two percent said they used the rifles for home defense, and 35 percent cited defense outside the home. Yet politicians who want to ban these rifles insist they are suitable for nothing but mass murder.
"These weapons of war, assault weapons, have no reason other than mass murder," Inslee says. "Their only purpose is to kill humans as rapidly as possible in large numbers."
It is hard to reconcile that claim with the evidence of widespread lawful use, which is far more common than criminal use. "The arms banned as 'assault weapons' by Washington are common by all counts," the lawsuit says. "(1) They are common categorically, as they are all semiautomatic in their function and operation; (2) they are common characteristically, as they are all popular configurations of arms (e.g., rifles) with varying barrel lengths and common characteristics like pistol grips; and (3) they are common jurisdictionally, lawful to possess and use in the vast majority of states now and throughout relevant history, for a wide variety of lawful purposes that include self-defense, proficiency training, competition, recreation, hunting, and collecting."
The FPC has mounted a similar challenge to New York's "assault weapon" ban. Post-Bruen, the constitutionality of such laws is unsettled. After that decision, the Supreme Court vacated four appeals court decisions, including a 4th Circuit ruling that upheld Maryland's "assault weapon" ban. It instructed the court to reconsider the case in light of Bruen.
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Unsurprisingly, there is little evidence to support the belief that such bans reduce mass shooting deaths. The RAND Corporation says "assault weapon bans have uncertain effects on mass shootings," adding that "evidence for this relationship is inconclusive."
If there was conclusive evidence the laws reduced shooting deaths, would the flagship libertarian magazine support the gun control measure?
Are we talking about conclusive evidence in the near century of studying firearms laws and their resulting effects on crime or conclusive evidence collected in the first two weeks of a novel panic?
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Better question would be that if the Dems in States like WA and CA (and at the Federal level) actually believed that declaring "gun free zones" provided safety, why not use that policy to protect Courthouses and State/Federal Government buildings (especially the Capitol/Statehouses?
Unless they'd approve of nothing more than "Weapon Free Zone" signs in their own offices and assembly chambers, rather than having numerous armed security on hand as well as metal detectors and other provisions at public entrances, they shouldn't be limiting the protective measures at the numerous "soft targets" they've created around the country to such measures.
As far as restrictions on any subset of a class of firearms (rifles) which are used in fewer homicides than "blunt instrument/bare hands" in most years, good luck fabricating any kind of evidence that any policy at all (up to and including hypothetically uninventing the things and wiping them from existence Thanos-style) would make any significant difference.
"gun free zons" almost do not exist. Some cute sign out at the kerb does NOT create a "gun free zone". Not even TSA security has created true "gun free zones". There are many ways to get a fireearm past those signs, checks, bag searches, mag screening, etc. Nearly every "mass shooting" in the past fifty plus years has taken place IN a supposedly "gun free zone". That would incldeALL school shootings, military bases, Luby[s Cafe in Texas, any shooting in bars/taverns in most states (some allow guns but only if the holder is NOT drinking). most malls and shopping centres, nearly every hospital, trains, busses, and many private businesses.
I prefer to label such places "Certified Defenseless Victim Zones".
Funny thing, we've all read (perhaps without being fully aware) of incidents of liife-saving defense of self and/or others in venues that are supposely "CDVZ"s where some clown set up his little urder shop under the impression there would be NO ONE to shoot back. Some of those bad guys are now dead because some honest and patriotic citizen was there anyway, (WITH his "little friend" he carries EVERYWHERE) and took out the trash. Some simply walked away, leaving LE to do what they should have but did not do. Others KNEW the full meaning of the law and KNEW they ciuld carry legally in there despite the signs. Lilves were saved in spite of the appearance of "no guns in here".
At the end of the day, it is ALWAYS about the user and never about the thing.
It’s difficult to get a gun into the Supreme Court.
It's pretty hard to get one into the US Capitol building as well. Certain Federal agents and Law Enforcement personnel probably have very little trouble doing so, though; Capitol PD in the Capitol building, and whoever serves the role of Bailiffs (U.S. Marshals, perhaps) for the USSC. Not to mention that since FBI agents are required by agency policy to be armed at all times, they may be allowed to carry firearms into those premises with proper credentials.
Maybe on account of the active security measures in those places instead of just a few signs declaring a "weapons free zone" within the building?
That's my entire point.
The "Gun Free Zone" policy that's used to "protect" most schools consists of nothing more than signs. All those signs do is ensure that those who choose to be compliant will be defenseless inside of that area.
In the somewhat recent case where a concealed carrier at a mall (South Carolina, I think) stopped an "active shooter" shortly after that person began in their attempt at a large, apparently indiscriminate, body count there was some amount of minor outrage among some of the "common sense" crowd that the CCW carrier had the audacity to violate the posted "no weapons allowed" policy despite being clearly very skilled and relatively highly trained with their weapon (I don't think I could get 8 of 10 shots onto a moving target at 40 yds distance with my Glock 19). The same anti-gun people seemed to be somewhat less upset about the aspiring mass shooter having similarly chosen to disobey that policy; possibly because the story ended up cutting against their chosen dogma that the "good guy with a gun" scenario is something that simply doesn't happen?
I hope the ban includes all firearms capable of using the fearsome 9mm cartridge, and well as banning the massively over-powered and dangerous 9mm cartridges themselves. After all, pResident Brandon declared the 9mm to be more dangerous than the .223 round - it's bigger and it'll blow your lung clean out of your body! (Check media memory hole #447,834 for film clip of same).
And yet in some states .223 is not even legal for deer hunting as it is not lethal enough, despite Mika Brzezinski's panicked "Why are we allowed to have these weapons that blow up… literally blow up animals if you were hunting with them?" on Morning Joe back in the day.
She’s such a stupid bitch.
Simply because, you can not predict an irrational event's occurrence (an ambush).
How effective are assault weapons bans in punishing and suppressing gang violence?
Sometimes you just gotta take a beating.
That should be a legal defense for anyone who beats the shit out of a democrat.
I remember when that comment was made (in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse) and by whom it was made (one of the prosecution team - the porky, ?incel one).
A more proto-typical example than that prosecutor of a beta male would be difficult to find; he is a particular example of the waste of (several hundred suety pounds) of human flesh. I'm quite sure if he were on the receiving end of "an occasional beating", he'd be bleating 100db+ for his armed security to come to his rescue.
Well, let's take a look at Chicago. Oh, wait, they have no effectiveness whatsoever.
"How effective are assault weapons bans in punishing and suppressing gang violence?"
-85%
Yes, that's a negative number.
Also, you didn't mention that this was an "emergency measure" which means that the instant Inslee signed the law, it was immediately effective.
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Contrary to what the Times says,
Why do people bother with this? As if debunking the claims of gun-prohibitionists will shame them into changing their ways. The truth doesn't matter to these people. Stopping gun violence is not the point. Assuming there is any good faith in these regulations is a a fool's game. They exist purely to fight a culture war against "The Right", by attacking the right's chosen totems. The right to bear arms is not about public safety. It is a shibboleth to identify which "team" someone is "on".
If you really care about preserving your constitutional freedoms, rather than just "owning the libs", the correct counter is rhetorical disarmament (not literal). Gun rights advocates must continue to reach out to left wing people and demonstrate to them that guns (including scary "assault weapons") protect them. Many of them are already distrustful of the police, appeal to that: Don't count on the cops, count on yourself. Appeal to their sense of fairness: restrictions on gun ownership have always been applied unevenly by the state against minority and disfavored groups.
Appeal to their sense of fairness: restrictions
on gun ownershiphave always been applied unevenly by the state against minority and disfavored groups.FIFY
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Many of them are already distrustful of the police, appeal to that: Don’t count on the cops, count on yourself. Appeal to their sense of fairness: restrictions on gun ownership have always been applied unevenly by the state against minority and disfavored groups.
This is sound advice--Julian Castro even mentioned this during one of the 2020 Dem debates--but the conversation is ultimately being driven by the hysterical white female liberal class, who desperately want to ban every single firearm in existence, not logical adults. It hasn't helped that every school shooter has taken the lead of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold since Columbine.
The issue is ultimately rooted in social dysfunction, not policy, but there's no way to actually regulate a cultural sickness brought about by mass society and deliberate alienation by popular media and academia. The sickness itself has to be rejected, but we've spent the last 20-plus years embracing it.
The problem with attempting "rhetorical disarmament" on left-wingers is that most of them (definitely the most "devout" among them) have cultivated an expert level of capability at the skill of doublethink.
Almost all of their most "deeply held" beliefs stand in direct contradiction to at least one other idea they'd put into that category:
These are people who in many cases were "Anti-vax" and claimed "personal belief" exemptions from public school requirements for their children to be vaccinated against measles and whooping cough, but also denounced as "mass murderers" anyone who questioned the need for mandates on the Covid Vaccine.
These are people who cheerled the FDA ban on Juul (which is the provably single most effective tool to get smokers off of burning tobacco), but also frequently want all public smoking (of tobacco, but not marijuana) banned due to the "danger of second hand smoke". The basis for this is that after more than a decade of widespread use (and who knows how many years of research prior to that), "the data isn't suffcient" to prove that vaping is safe but they also uncritically accept the claims that most (in some cases all) reported incidents of possible side effects of the Covid vaccines are either fabricated or misinterpreted because those vaccines were "proven to have absolutely no side effects" in the less than 12 months of limited testing which took place under "project warpspeed".
For that matter, these are people who swore in the Fall of 2020 they'd never trust the "trump vaccine", and that the focus on vax development instead of nationalizing factories to mass-produce new ventilators was the "greatest failure" of a President who they also believed to be a foreign spy; then starting in Jan 2021 believed that trump was personally at the epicenter of the anti-vax movement and was the root source of all hesitance or questioning of the claims that the vaccie was "proven safe" and nearly 100% effective at preventing any/all transmission of the Covid virus.
These are people who frequently proclaim that "health care is a basic human right" (just don't make them confront the underlying issues around the idea of any sort of absolute entitlement to something which has to be produced by input of labor), but who also were supportive of the idea of refusing access to care, or even rounding up into "quarantine facilities" (aka concentration camps) of anyone who chose not to get the vaccine even after it was made clear that it wasn't particularly effective at slowing the spread of the virus, and that the disease itself had a 99.5% or higher recovery rate for patients under 50-60 years of age.
These are people who were willing to die on the hill of "net neutrality" because of the danger that cable ISPs might someday achieve monopoly power and start censoring the ability of users to express ideas that corporate leadership disapproved of or to protect themselves from prospective competition, and who also want the Federal government to enact regulations requiring social media platforms (including several companies which have had monopolistic market shares for a decade or longer already) to increase the level of censorship they engage in to prevent the expression of ideas which they themselves happen to not agree with.
The problem with attempting “rhetorical disarmament” on left-wingers is that most of them (definitely the most “devout” among them) have cultivated an expert level of capability at the skill of doublethink.
I feel like you're laser focused on "defeating" those ultra devout hardline liberals when there are greater gains to be made convincing the squishy liberals to change sides on this issue. Democracy doesn't work like that. This isn't a war. You can't "defeat" liberalism. No matter how angry (justifiably or otherwise) blood-red hard-right conservatives get, they still only get one vote apiece and there are a finite number of them. By the same token, it doesn't matter how ridiculous the left gets, there are a finite number of nonbinary black xey/xem communists. Their numbers are quite small.
Political discourse in this country has been ruined by partisans appealing only to ever smaller bases of true believers. You use this phrase "These are people" a lot, as if there is some monolithic bloc of voters who all believe exactly the same thing and have fully consumed the left-wing koolaid, but that simply isn't true. The hardcore right would like you to believe that it is so, and you would do well to question the motives of people pushing this narrative and look long at hard at what they stand to gain by you believing it. The fact of the matter is that a large group of people, the majority actually, sit in the middle and vote one way or the other primarily out of fear. Yes, the large majority of people who vote left on any given issue might be convinced to vote right, but are scared off for one reason or another. This is why rhetorical disarmament is the correct choice. If you want to win elections, you must convince these middle people that the conservative cause isn't as bad as it's been made out to be. Instead of thirsting for violent confrontation, the conservative cause should be opening its arms and demonstrating that limited government creates the best government, maximizes freedom, and protects them from those who would do them harm without recourse (the state).
I don't personally know any "squishy" liberals.
Most of my close friends are the kind of leftists who refer to themselves as "liberal" but refer to beliefs which were foundational to liberal thinking from the time of Plato and Aristotle through the reformation and the enlightenment and up until sometime in the late 1990s as "alt right".
Almost all of the leftists I know (and generally respect as otherwise thinking and intelligent people) are in the school of thought were they'll claim to believe in "bodily autonomy" as a fundamental principle but can lay out some kind of rationalization for why that "principle" doesn't apply to the use of tobacco (even the ones who were smokers for decades), or to vaping, or to salt/sugar intake, or to Covid vaccination status (they weren't personally part of the leftist anti-vax movement here in L.A. which at one point had the measles immunization rate of HS students in Hollywood and Santa Monica lower than the rate in South Sudan), or to nearly any choice aside from use of birth control and unfettered access to any form of abortion procedure at any time prior to delivery of the child.
People who had me participate in their weddings and whose children call me "unlcle" are also people who I was more hesitant to tell that I own firearms than I would have been to admit to bestiality or heroin addiction (if either of those conditions applied to me).
I don't know about most of the country, but I've lived on the west coast for 30 years (basically my entire adult life), and at least in the last 10-15 years, the "devout" leftists are, at least in my experience, far more the rule than the exception; or maybe the ideological purists have just been having great success with the efforts to cow the "squishy" ones into full Orwellian compliance.
The right to bear arms is not about public safety. It is a shibboleth to identify which “team” someone is “on”.
get out your copy of the US Constitution and READ that Second Article of Ammendment again a few times.
That small little set of words plainly states that our security/safety DEPENDS UPON our being able to own, make, use, bear, carry about at will, "arms" which were then defined as weapons of military usefulness that are able to be carried about and deployed by a person acting singly. That sure flies i the face of what YOU proffered as wisdom.
Your thinking is out of date. Justice Ketanji Brown-Jackson, in a speech to the national convention of the Southern Poverty Law Center has declared that the Second Amendment prevents the federal government and the states from banning sundresses and sleeveless tops. In reading the transcript, I understand that she is willing to limit the freedom to bare arms (no freedom is absolute) to women weighing less that 140 lbs and who have not developed batwings. Whether this amendment protects the freedom of trans-women to bare arms is working it's way through the federal judicial system at present and will probably ultimately require a Supreme Court decision to clarify.
No. Don’t stoop to their grievance level of “disproportionately impacting” blah blah. They invented that shit. It’s gross.
Plus, we are all individuals.
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed should end any debate. As long as one side is hellbent on banning private gun ownership, any gun control should be seen as a step to confiscation and destruction. Banning "assault weapons" is a handy way to justify banning all firearms, unless rimfires and air rifles will suffice for your needs. There's nothing an "assault rifle" does that guns in pretty much every category don't do. If you can justify banning a mildly powerful, semi-automatic, magazine fed weapon, you can justify banning any weapon with any of those features.
Anyone who wants to possibly see a "well regulated militia" should be in favor or widespread ownership of AR-15 rifles. In the late 18th century "well regulated" meant consistently equipped and able to gather quickly and utilize common supplies of consumables such as ammunition.
In the context of the modern structure of the defensive forces, successfully calling up a "well regulated militia" in an abject emergency would mean having a lot of people showing up equipped with weapons capable of firing the same ammunition as the standard military issued weapons, which for the M4 or M16 rifle would be 223 Winchester or 5.56mm NATO cartridges.
You are close,but don't get your matches out because you don't get the cigar tis time.
I have read supply lists and procurement documents of our fouding era. Nearly every militia had a mixed bag of calibres represented, and thus needed different calibres of ball, some militias as many as six or seven. WHY? Because the families of that time alreay HAD their weapons of usefulness, and when mustering with the town militia brought along whatever it was they had. Each one knew what he needed. The main "drill" run weekly o so was to train in group tactics, marksmanship (pour guys would reliably hit their chosen target at 200, some even out to 250, yards whilst the Regulars against them were instruted to identify a range of 75 yards and never engage any target at greater range.
Our guys were far better "regulated".
Whatever the caliber situation was in the late 18th century the weapons of the time could all use a common powder supply since they were muzzle loaders (and if movies depicting that era are at all accurate, bullets could be cast without the need for heavy infrastructure), if a militia were to be called up to a military/National Guard/Law enforcement facility tomorrow, the ammunition they’d find in abundance would be 223/556 rifle rounds and 9×19 handgun rounds (maybe some leftover 40 S&W if some agencies followed the FBI through half of their caliber changes). Law enforcement would likely also have magazines to fit AR-15 or M16 rifles (military would likely have M4s which aren’t compatible mags but use the same cartridges).
If the argument is that the purpose of the Amendment is to facilitate the ability of communities/states to call up a citizen militia, then “military style” weapons should be the most stringently protected class and literally the last ones which there would be any legal justification for any level of Government to restrict or prohibit.
The Second Amendment was intended to protect the right to keep and bear assault weapons. And if the gun-grabbers are going to talk about the Second Amendment being written at a time when the average farmer owned a single shot flintlock rifle, keep in mind that those flintlock rifles were even deadlier than the standard single shot muskets the Army used back then.
The 2nd Amendment was written at a time when the Founders had *just* fought a war to free the people from an oppressive government, and understanding that one of the links in the chain of oppression was an attempt to disarm the people.
With the forethought that the government being created might someday itself become oppressive, they realized that preventing the government from disarming the people was critical to preventing that ("being necessary to the security of a free State,").
There is much contemporaneous thinking that explains the dangers of a standing army as a tool of government oppression (hence why it is prohibited by the Constitution), how the militia (the people themselves) is distinct from the standing army, and how the militia--being similarly armed and far more numerous than any standing army could be--were the best barrier to that weapon in any oppressor's arsenal. This is also why militia != National Guard, and why "well-regulated" got put in there (as an exhortation to the people to maintain proficiency and the ability to muster should the need to oppose any oppressive military action arise).
The Founders didn't sit down and say "Whew. That was a tough fight against King George and his Redcoats. But now that it's over, let's prevent anyone from overthrowing *our* new government, everyone needs to turn in their guns." No! They made it expressly forbidden for their new government to make any such attempt!
The notion that the AR-15 is "military-like" is not cause for it to be banned. Instead it is the defining characteristic of WHY it must be in the hands of the people, so that the militia is similarly armed as the army.
"...Constitutionally Dubious..."
TDS has rotted what passes for Sullum's brain
The U.S. Constitution has been considered to be dubious by the ruling party in the state of Washington for decades.
All of these laws clearly violate SCOTUS precedent. They shouldn't survive in a district court let alone in the appellate system. What is the long term goal for these assholes?
What is the long term goal for these assholes?
I honestly believe even they don't know the answer to that question, and probably will discover too late hell doesn't give a shit about their good intentions.
oh they do, very well and have for a long time. JayZee has had this and much more up his slimy sleeve for a long time. Fergui is right there with him, just like the Hardy Boys. His goal is to disarm whom he considers his subjects, and thus the more easily control them as he sets about the totel remake of our culture and values. Consider some of the other very nasty laws and policies in his state. >The school staff have the "authority' to groom and guide young children into things like gender transitioning, abhorrent sexualperversions,etc, and have as a policy the eeping of all such information from the rightful parents. I kniw of ine case in that state where a daughter in iddle schoolwas being railroaded down the "sex change' trck and when the parents discovered this they trid to stop them, demanding they be pen with themselves, They declared they had the right,even obligtion, to keep this secret from the parents. The Mum learned of an appointment the chool people had made with a "clinic" to push this agenda further. Dad got mad.... rentd vn not their own. piled the whole fmily and basic stuff intto it Fridy evening,and they drove straight through to Idaho, arriving Saturday. They guessed,rightly, that the school and cPS poohbahs nad not yet completed their "ownership" prcess, so there was nothing legal to prevent their flight. They fiund a place in Idaho to rent, Mum stayed with te young ones Dad drove back in the rented van, cleared out the necessary stuff into their famil van, now holding ONLY him and stuff, then rejoined the family in Idaho. Two ears on the girl has no throughts or leanigs toward the whole genderbender scam and is happy and normal. And to think they had her lined up to be taken hostage by the state CPS to '"BETTER TAKE CARE OF HER' AS THE PARENTS WERE NOT SO DOING.
ANYONE WHO PUTS THEIR KIDS IN WASHINGTIN'S PUBLIC school system (dumb caps lock...) does so to the extreme risk of the safety and health of that child.
Just a couple things JayZee is on about.
Energy, wokeism, ending bail, avoiding prosecution of REAL criminals (after disarming the rest of us). coddling and supporting homeless and illegally invding foreighn nationals... to name a few.
He is rapidly driving legitimate busness from the state by his tx abuse and laws..high ,inimum wage, favouring union hegemony, making the state a carbn copy of California except without as much drought.
My nephew moved from Spokane to Sandpoint, ID to get his daughter away from WA schools, and their Kung Flu policies.
Title 18 USC Section 242.
"Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law".
Charge these grandstanding motherfuckers, and when they try to pull the "how many divisions does the federal court have" crap answer "the federal marshalls service".
Punishable by any term of prison, or the death penalty. I'd say that a blatant, knowing violation of the fundamental basis of our government deserves nothing less.
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
he declares, calmly pointing to the "T" word.......
Who's going to charge them?
On a long enough timeline, the goal of most politicians is to install their party into a permanent state of control and outlaw most, if not all forms of dissent.
For West Coast Democrats, the first part of that is more or less accomplished; CA, and WA are basically one-party and OR might be close to getting rid of the last vestiges of the possibility for any non-Dem to win a statewide election.
If they had their druthers, the next step is to disarm their citizens to the greatest possible extent and make them feel completely reliant on the State for their physical safety as well as their financial survival. The U.S. Constitution is a barrier to making that happen, which is part of why there's a periodic resurgence in the idea of one or all three of the States on the West Coast legally separating from the rest of the USA (I might be misremembering the details, but I could almost swear that one instance even proposed the name "Oceana" for the resulting new nation).
Trying to get a case to the Supreme Court in a couple of years, when the 6 Justices newly appointed by Biden given them a 9-6 precedent-setting victory.
Will reason writers notice the pattern of which party is worse in every measure?
*shakes Magic 8-Ball*
"Signs point to 'No'."
Well what are they going to do, reluctantly pull the lever for Trump?
"Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 161 different handguns being used in 111 incidents between 1982 and April 2023," Statistica Research reports. "These figures are calculated from a total of 142 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 78 percent of mass shootings."
Where are these numbers coming from? Based on what I have heard from NPR, the NYT and other organs of the Democrat Party, there have been more than 142 mass shootings in the last week, all of them perpetrated by cis white men against trans BIPOCs.
Well, when pretty much every gang-related shooting is a mass shooting so the stats look scary, handguns are the main weapon used. That also means that the actual people involved in the vast majority of mass shootings are irrelevant to the scary mass shootings you see happening on the CNN reports. I'm sure they wouldn't use numbers to scare us that they really don't give two shits about.
Gang-related multiple shootings only count to inflate the totals for the count of "mass shootings this year".
When they need to go back to proving that the "AR-15 is the weapon of choice", the 25 or so examples they always cite go all the way back to Columbine, and only shootings committed by "white males" against "randomly selected" (which somehow almost always happen to coincidentally be designated as "Gun Free" areas) or "indiscriminate" targets; that criteria reduces the total number of incidents to a point where those 25 constitute the bulk of all qualifying "mass shootings".
Definitions are not only deliberately vague, they're situationally variable.
Criminals and Murderers are dejectedly crossing Washington off their maps with a big red "X."
Thanks for taking care of that problem Governor Inslee!
“muzzle breaks,”
Nope “muzzle brakes”.
Incorrect. Yup, "both kinds" (LOL):
18 (F) Muzzle brake, recoil compensator, or any item designed to be
19 affixed to the barrel to reduce recoil or muzzle rise;
20 (G) Threaded barrel designed to attach a flash suppressor, sound
21 suppressor, muzzle break, or similar item;
" . . . Post-Bruen, the constitutionality of such laws is unsettled."
Pre and post Bruen the constitutionality has been settled; "shall not be infringed".
And oh by the way, the exemption of currently owned arms shows that the entire "safety" bullshit is bullshit. If any are allowed, they all can be allowed.
The severe problem with this "arms in common use" standard, is that we went nearly 70 years with the Supreme court refusing every single 2nd amendment case. And during that period gun laws that would have been struck down under such a standard had time to accumulate, and to warp what was "commonly owned".
So at this point deciding what people CAN own on the basis of what they DO own just grandfathers in the effects of gun control laws that never would have been upheld by a Court intend on upholding the 2nd amendment.
It would be like the Brown Court saying that obviously school segregation was OK, because there were so many segregated schools around!
Well said.
It would be like the Brown Court saying that obviously school segregation was OK, because there were so many segregated schools around!
[Notes CPS segregation on the impending anniversary of "Freedom Day".]
[scratches eyebrow/shields eyes]
Well, yes. What are common are weapons not banned by the NFA (of 1934). And that is a problem. I am not crying over the loss of machine guns. But severely restricting short barreled rifles and shotguns, as well as silencers remains a problem.
But right now, I am more interested in the 95% full glass of water, than the 5% missing. And that means that the WA gun ban is unconstitutional. The guns banned and the features banned are in extremely common use around the country. A distinct majority of firearms sold every year in this country are magazine fed semiautomatics. The only firearms that I own that are not are a couple bolt action rifles with detachable magazines, pump and semiautomatic shotguns with internal magazines, and a lever action carbine. All of my handguns, and a majority of my long guns are semiautomatics with detachable magazines.
I'm pissed because they are going to lose in court but pass it anyway because it isn't their money. As a WA resident, it is my money.
Since they campaign off of this, perhaps it should be considered a campaign contribution!
Despite their passing an assault weapons ban, it appears that it will still be legal to whack Jay Inslee in the head with a hammer, right?
I'm not saying that it's OK to hit Inslee with anything, but if you're looking to damage something he uses it's better to swing for the kidneys.
"You will bear no arms and be happy"
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I don’t see anything wrong with training requirements for gun owners. They can be as deadly as cars.
Just wait until they have to be electric, too.
"I don't see anything wrong with a literacy test for voting."
Constitutionally *dubious*???
Mr. Sullum, would you describe a law mandating adherence to a particular religion as merely constitutionally *dubious*? How about a law banning criticism of the government? Universal warrantless police searches? Perhaps a law granting the government a do-over trial if it fails to convict someone on the first attempt? Abolishment of juries? Would any of these be just "dubious" as opposed to "flagrantly unconstitutional"?
Logically and Constitutionally Dubious 'Assault Weapon' Ban
It is a gun ban, call it what it is, a gun ban.
I can assault people with a knife, axe, hatchet, meat cleaver, tire iron, iron pipe, golf club, baseball bat, vehicle, and on and on. Are those all going to be banned too?
“Here is how The New York Times explains the logic of this definition: "AR-15-style rifles have been a particular point of concern among gun control proponents as they have often been the weapon of choice in mass shootings. The high-capacity firearms can fire rounds at a greater velocity than a handgun, resulting in more severe injuries."”
Of course, they play games with the statistics. They only count essentially white on white mass shootings, mostly in gun free zones (often schools, that are Gun Free Zones), which are, in the scheme of things, quite rare. We are talking several dozen deaths a year, on average, across the country. The percentage of all long gun deaths across the country is in the single digits percentage wise. They totally ignore, in those statistics, the ubiquitous gang and drug related shootings, with multiple casualties, that have made Dem controlled big cities across the country so deadly. And the big reason there is that those cases utilize handguns, because they are easily concealable, and Heller essentially said that they can’t ban them.
Heller though suffered from being a Scalia decision. He tended to write narrowly, counting angels dancing on the head of a pin, and not going beyond the facts before him. Thus his determination that Increased Scrutiny was the proper level of review. This meant that liberal Circuits (like the 9th, in which WA resides) ended up utilizing an interest balancing scrutiny slightly above Rational Basis, when Scalia clearly meant Intermediate or Strict Scrutiny (which is what was utilized in more conservative Circuits).
This problem was addressed and corrected by Thomas in Bruen. The Right to Keep And Bear Arms is a fundamental, enumerated, right, and is due similar deference as applied to other such rights, such as Freedom of Speech, Religion, etc. that means that interest balancing, as was used in the liberal Circuits, is not legitimate. And that is what Inslee was doing with his highly curated, fudged, statistics - interest balancing, which the state usually won.
If the government utilizes statistics to justify a restriction on firearms, it is presumptively unconstitutional under Bruen, because it implicitly utilizes interest balancing, that Thomas in that decision specifically banned.
Let me add that banning AR-15s also fails Constitutional muster by effectively banning effective Militia weapons. AR-15s share most parts and the manual of arms with our military’s primary individual firearm over the last 60 years - M16 rifles and M4 carbines. My understanding is that the only parts that are not shared are the lower receiver, the parts installed in it, and the Bolt Carrier Group. Everything attached to the upper receiver (including the barrel), plus stock, and everything in it, are common between AR-15s and those military weapons. We have tens of millions of military veterans trained in the operation and use of these firearms.
Furthermore, those banned features are precisely those that have functionally improved military firearms over the ones used by our military in WW II and Korea.
- Detachable Magazines - allows for quicker and easier reloading
- Pistol Grips - ergonomic feature allowed on electric drills, etc. They allow a more ergonomic shooting position, with the elbow held almost vertically, instead of the less flexible semi-horizontal.
- Folding or Telescoping Stocks - makes it easy to share a firearm between family members and others. With such, it is no longer necessary to cut down a stock in order to get an optimal pull distance for a shooter.
- Flash Suppressors, Muzzle Breaks (Brakes), and Threaded Barrels. A threaded barrel allows for interchanging different flash suppressors and muzzle breaks. Flash suppressors allow for better marksmanship at night, and muzzle brakes reduce felt recoil, making follow up shots quicker and more accurate.
- Barrel Shrouds - Protects off hand from being burned from heat buildup while shooting. Also provides a better grip by that hand. If you are going to practice shooting (as in a “well regulated” militia), you really need this feature if the firearm is made from modern materials, and doesn’t have a wooden stock.
But none of those cosmetic features really affect the lethality of the firearm. It still fires the same rounds at the same rate of fire as other rifles without the cosmetics. Take a common Ruger 10/22 with a plain wood stock...I can buy $100 of plastic bits and replace the wood stock...same barrel, same trigger, same magazine, but now all of a sudden it's a lethal "assault weapon"?
For a pop quiz, show a gun-banner a picture of a Ruger Precision Rimfire rifle https://ruger.com/products/precisionRimfire/models.html and ask them if it should be banned. Bet they all say "Hell yeah! Look at it!" ignoring the fact that it is a bolt-action rifle in .22LR.
Let me suggest that none of those features is really cosmetic. They are, instead, primarily functional, making the guns better.
You can’t expect the NYT to know things.
Finding and defining the edges of the law is a lawmaker's responsibility.
That isn't what is happening here.
"...their (assault weapons') only purpose is to kill humans as quickly as possible in large numbers."
So why do cops need them? Is it to kill large numbers of humans as quickly as possible? Or is there some alternative use which is not being mentioned?
Bill Burr's on-step ahead of the Washington state legislators.
[zmy preference is for murder by F350.]