Brickbat: It's Not Up For Debate

Members of the debating society at Royal Holloway, University of London, a public university in England, said they were "strong armed" and "bullied" by the student union into rescinding an invitation to Claire Fox to speak. Fox is a member of the House of Lords and head of a free speech think tank. The head of the student union sent the debating society an email objecting to Fox sharing a video clip of comedian Ricky Gervais in which Gervais joked about "the old fashioned women, you know, the ones with wombs" as opposed to "the new ones we've been seeing lately with beards and c----." The head of the student union said the clip was "overtly transphobic."

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[Stuck in California]

I never would have thought that the giggling idiot Ricky Gervais would be the brave warrior speaking for folks like me.

But he is. Because the "Old fashioned women" joke is fucking hilarious.

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[Carey Allison]

Always look for the silver lining. While there are a lot trans-weirdos running around out there now, be thankful that after a successful "transition", neither flavor of them will be able to reproduce.

As far as me being transphobic - bull$#!+. I'm not scared of them - I just don't like them, and that's (for now still) legal.

[SQRLSY One]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI6qvQtrTU8

Ricky Gervais - New Women | Clip from SuperNature

[Libertariantranslator]

Hilarious!

[Jerryskids]

In a few years when this trans fad dies down, will anybody be held to account for encouraging this insanity? Or will it go the way of the Russian collusion hoax and the Covid bullshit and the Hunter Biden laptop story and the "lock her up" joke?

Funny that Alvin Bragg's indictment of Trump hasn't alerted more people to the fact that Democrats, unlike Republicans, actually mean what they say. Look at how Pelosi ran the House with an iron hand compared to the way McCarthy has to bargain for everything he's given. If the Democrats tried that shit with Pelosi, she'd nail their balls to the wall and they know it. It's way past time we got serious about this shit.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Sudden onset gender dysphoria seems to be following the same trend lines that described anorexia. Peer contagion, a desire to be "different", the special clique of "us against the world". Whole peer groups all turning at more or less the same time. The demographics are similar too: mostly white, liberal families, and mostly girls affected (many of which had gone through the same processes in deciding that they were gay).

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Parent reports of adolescents and young adults perceived to show signs of a rapid onset of gender dysphoria

parents have reported that their children seemed to experience a sudden or rapid onset of gender dysphoria, appearing for the first time during puberty or even after its completion. Parents describe that the onset of gender dysphoria seemed to occur in the context of belonging to a peer group where one, multiple, or even all of the friends have become gender dysphoric and transgender-identified during the same timeframe. Parents also report that their children exhibited an increase in social media/internet use prior to disclosure of a transgender identity. Recently, clinicians have reported that post-puberty presentations of gender dysphoria in natal females that appear to be rapid in onset is a phenomenon that they are seeing more and more in their clinic. Academics have raised questions about the role of social media in the development of gender dysphoria. The purpose of this study was to collect data about parents’ observations, experiences, and perspectives about their adolescent and young adult (AYA) children showing signs of an apparent sudden or rapid onset of gender dysphoria that began during or after puberty, and develop hypotheses about factors that may contribute to the onset and/or expression of gender dysphoria among this demographic group.

[Parents have reported...] that their adolescent and young adult (AYA) children, who have had no histories of childhood gender identity issues, experienced a perceived sudden or rapid onset of gender dysphoria. Parents have described clusters of gender dysphoria in pre-existing friend groups with multiple or even all members of a friend group becoming gender dysphoric and transgender-identified in a pattern that seems statistically unlikely based on previous research [1–8]. Parents describe a process of immersion in social media, such as “binge-watching” YouTube transition videos and excessive use of Tumblr, immediately preceding their child becoming gender dysphoric [1–2, 9].

The AYA children described were predominantly natal female (82.8%) with a mean age of 16.4 years at the time of survey completion and a mean age of 15.2 when they announced a transgender-identification. Per parent report, 41% of the AYAs had expressed a non-heterosexual sexual orientation before identifying as transgender. Many (62.5%) of the AYAs had reportedly been diagnosed with at least one mental health disorder or neurodevelopmental disability prior to the onset of their gender dysphoria (range of the number of pre-existing diagnoses 0–7). In 36.8% of the friendship groups described, parent participants indicated that the majority of the members became transgender-identified. Parents reported subjective declines in their AYAs’ mental health (47.2%) and in parent-child relationships (57.3%) since the AYA “came out” and that AYAs expressed a range of behaviors that included: expressing distrust of non-transgender people (22.7%); stopping spending time with non-transgender friends (25.0%); trying to isolate themselves from their families (49.4%), and only trusting information about gender dysphoria from transgender sources (46.6%). Most (86.7%) of the parents reported that, along with the sudden or rapid onset of gender dysphoria, their child either had an increase in their social media/internet use, belonged to a friend group in which one or multiple friends became transgender-identified during a similar timeframe, or both

[Medulla Oblongata]

Parental reports (on social media) of friend clusters exhibiting signs of gender dysphoria [1–4] and increased exposure to social media/internet preceding a child’s announcement of a transgender identity [1–2, 9] raise the possibility of social and peer influences. In developmental psychology research, impacts of peers and other social influences on an individual’s development are sometimes described using the terms peer contagion and social contagion, respectively. The use of “contagion” in this context is distinct from the term’s use in the study of infectious disease, and furthermore its use as an established academic concept throughout this article is not meant in any way to characterize the developmental process, outcome, or behavior as a disease or disease-like state, or to convey any value judgement. Social contagion [29] is the spread of affect or behaviors through a population. Peer contagion, in particular, is the process where an individual and peer mutually influence each other in a way that promotes emotions and behaviors that can potentially have negative effects on their development [30]. Peer contagion has been associated with depressive symptoms, disordered eating, aggression, bullying, and drug use [30–31]. Internalizing symptoms such as depression can be spread via the mechanisms of co-rumination, which entails the repetitive discussion of problems, excessive reassurance seeking (ERS), and negative feedback [30, 32–34]. Deviancy training, which was first described for rule breaking, delinquency, and aggression, is the process whereby attitudes and behaviors associated with problem behaviors are promoted with positive reinforcement by peers [35, 36].

Peer contagion has been shown to be a factor in several aspects of eating disorders. There are examples in the eating disorder and anorexia nervosa literature of how both internalizing symptoms and behaviors have been shared and spread via peer influences [37–41] which may have relevance to considerations of a rapid onset of gender dysphoria occurring in AYAs. Friendship cliques can set the norms for preoccupation with one’s body, one’s body image, and techniques for weight loss, and can predict an individual’s body image concerns and eating behaviors [37–39]. Peer influence is intensified in inpatient and outpatient treatment settings for patients with anorexia and counter-therapeutic subcultures that actively promote the beliefs and behaviors of anorexia nervosa have been observed [39–41]. In these settings, there is a group dynamic where the “best” anorexics (those who are thinnest, most resistant to gaining weight, and who have experienced the most medical complications from their disease) are admired, validated, and seen as authentic while the patients who want to recover from anorexia and cooperate with medical treatment are maligned, ridiculed, and marginalized [39–41]. Additionally, behaviors associated with deceiving parents and doctors about eating and weight loss, referred to as the “anorexic tricks,” are shared by patients in a manner akin to deviancy training [39–41]. Online environments provide ample opportunity for excessive reassurance seeking, co-rumination, positive and negative feedback, and deviancy training from peers who subscribe to unhealthy, self-harming behaviors. The pro-eating disorder sites provide motivation for extreme weight loss (sometimes calling the motivational content “thinspiration”)[42–44]. Such sites promote validation of eating disorder as an identity, and offer “tips and tricks” for weight loss and for deceiving parents and doctors so that individuals may continue their weight-loss activities [42–44]. If similar mechanisms are at work in the context of gender dysphoria, this greatly complicates the evaluation and treatment of impacted AYAs.

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[Rossami]

Interesting. I hadn't seen that report. Thanks for sharing.

For those of us who want to read the original, can you provide the full citation, please?

[Medulla Oblongata]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Do you think this trend is reinforced by progressive parents who think showing off their trans kid gains virtue points?

[Ajsloss]

I don't know... have you seen anyone wearing a mask lately?

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[Quo Usque Tandem]

I see holdouts here and there, holding on to that virtue.

No doubt the demographics of a significant number of people with "sudden onset gender dysphoria" are of the same class who vote Democrat and then scurry off to a gated community in the hills, where no one can get to them.

[D-Pizzle]

I saw someone wearing a mask while walking down a sidewalk at 10 o'clock pm in an area where they were practically guaranteed to not encounter another pedestrian. Also, they are still required at medical offices in my leftist state.

[Ajsloss]

Don't you just want to ask those doctors how stupid they must have been pre-2020? The answer to never getting sick could've been right in front of their faces all along!

[Medulla Oblongata]

Saw people on the news this week wearing masks. They were activists doing the whole Trans Day of Visibility thing, so I was wholly unsurprised to see them still wearing their face diapers, too.

[Ajsloss]

Trans Day of Visibility... but we won't let you see our faces.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

I thought it was a "Day of Vengeance" that got postponed because some teachers and kids died in addition to the gender dysmorphic psychopath who killed then. Might not look good, given the timing.

[D-Pizzle]

Being supportive of one's transgender child is the absolute pinnacle of leftist virtue signaling.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Fuck yeah!

Seriously, if we were to be a fly on the wall at a typical Manhattan cocktail party, we'd likely find at least 40% of the attendees claiming at least one of their children are trans.

But then maybe that estimate is too low. You know how competitive those people are.

[perlmonger]

I don't think there's any question about that. It's absolutely the case.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Our top legal minds in the country are gathering at the University of Connecticut to discuss benefits of curbing parental rights.

This is real, and it's happening while we talk about food trucks and weed.

Check out the text from UCONN and absorb how they present the issue:

Are Parental Rights Always in the Best Interest of Children? Race, Gender, Sexuality, and the Conflict over Parental Rights.

This symposium will explore the complex issues surrounding the role of parental rights in advancing progressive goals while at the same time examine how parental rights are being used to undermine racial, gender, and LGBTQ equality. These conflicts have come to a head recently in the areas of education, gender-affirming care, and family regulation. The discussion will also include how children’s interests can and should be represented, and whether that is best accomplished through their parents. A keynote address will be given following lunch by Melissa Murray, Frederick I. and Grace Stokes Professor of Law at NYU School of Law.

No bias in this symposium at all.

The Media's take: Republicans pounce.

[perlmonger]

How forward of them.

[Don't look at me!]

It takes a village.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

What they really mean:

Are parental rights always in the best interest of progressive policy and cultural Marxists?

(obviously not, especially those damned MAGA* parents)

*MAGA signifies anyone to the right of AOC or Sanders

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Where is the tipping point? Part of me wants to see them have their way, and to backlash that it will engender.*

*Don't say I see what you did there.

[Ajsloss]

Amnesty!

[Mickey Rat]

Judicial review is not an unadulterated good:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/04/washingtons-humpty-dumpty-court-imposes-a-new-tax/

"The Washington State supreme court clearly followed Humpty Dumpty’s law when, by a vote of 7 to 2, it upheld the capital-gains tax passed by the legislature. The state’s constitution says the state can only tax income up to 1 percent and the rate has to be flat. The court decided that capital gains aren’t income and that taxing them amounted to “an excise tax.” With this twisted logic as precedent, the court could in the future say that a personal income tax is really just a sales tax on your labor services."

"Even with that, the tax’s supporters aren’t satisfied and blasted the court for not completely opening the door to a statewide income tax. State residents have rejected that idea ten times, so the court was effectively their last resort."

"Within hours of the supreme court ruling, Fisher Investments, a wealth-management firm based in Camus, Wash., issued a one-sentence press release: “In honor of the Washington State Supreme Court’s wisdom and knowledge of the law, and in recognition of whatever it may do next, Fisher Investments is immediately moving its headquarters from Washington State to Texas.”

[Medulla Oblongata]

Didn't they also decide that bees are legally fish? No, that was California.

[SMP0328]

Good for Fisher Investments. Every corporation and individual that/who can afford to leave a Blue State immediately should do so.

[Fist of Etiquette]

...head of a free speech think tank.

England: "Yeah, we don't have that here."

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

The king approves this message. Also all bureaucrats and university professors.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Hey Prince Harry 'isself said the First Amendment is "just bonkers."

[Mickey Rat]

"The head of the student union said the clip was "overtly transphobic.""

Recognizing that the word "woman" has something to do with being "female" is described as an "irrational fear". "Transphobic" is revealed, once again, as a nonsense concept, representing a blasphemy in the progressive quasi-religion.

[mad.casual]

The head of the student union said the clip was "overtly transphobic."

I'm not entirely convinced the opposition to Claire Fox speaking isn't "overtly transphobic".

How do... uh... handsome British women make up for... less than desirable attributes? Cook?

[Longtobefree]

Given that a phobia is an irrational fear, and given the damages done to the language, society, and the development of youth, I would say Ricky Gervais is not transphobic at all.
Rather I would say the head of the student union should be committed.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

"the new ones we've been seeing lately with beards and c—-."

Beards and whats?

[SQRLSY One]

Cocks, most likely!

Q: What's the difference between a rooster and a Stormy Daniels?

A: The rooster says "Cock-a-doodle-doooo"!, while the Stormy Daniels says "Any cock'll do!"

[SQRLSY One]

I have to hang my head in shame these days, and 'fess up to being old, over the hill, and out of touch!

Butt... Now what IS this deal about "Drag Queen Stormy Daniels Hour" who-haaa thingee anyway?!?!? Is or was she the Queen of Dragging men (against their will and utmost efforts at self-control) into her lady-parts bear-trap "Snatch, I gotcha" device? What can one DO to resist her contriving and cuntriving mind control?

[SQRLSY One]

Maybe some moist excellent POETRY can save us from her mind cuntrol!!!

All Hail Der TrumpfenFuhrer, Full of Grace
Savior of the human race!
Never mind, us all, He’ll disgrace!
Conservatards, above all, MUST save face!
In glory, a glaze of Vaseline,
Behold Stormy Daniels, our Queen!
What a scene, what a scene!
The Donald? NEVER so obscene!
Now don’t you DARE throw a fit,
It won’t matter, not even a bit,
We mustn’t ever, EVER quit,
We be saved, by The Trumptatorshit!

[perlmonger]

I'm guessing "cocks". Though given how excited the Squirrel got about your comment, I'm thinking its guess was "crap".

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

N_______ please...

[Dillinger]

naggers!

[SQRLSY One]

https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/is-your-wife-a-nagger.220762/

Your Wife A Nagger?

A farmer who wanted to get a divorce paid a visit to a lawyer.

The lawyer said, "How can I help you?" The farmer said, "I want to get one of those dayvorces".

The lawyer said, "Do you have any grounds?"

The farmer said, "Yes, I got 40 acres". The lawyer said, "No, you don't understand, Do you have a suit?"

The farmer said, "Yes, I got a suit, I wears it to church on Sundays".

The lawyer said, "No, no, I mean, do you have a case?" The farmer said, "No, I ain't got a case, but I got a John Deere."

The lawyer said, "No, I mean, do you have a grudge?" The farmer said, "Yes, I got a grudge, that's where I parks the John Deere."

The lawyer said, "Does your wife beat you up or something?".

The farmer said, "No, we both get up at 4:30".

The lawyer said, "Is your wife a nagger?"

The farmer said, "No, she's a little! white gal, but our last child was a nagger and that's why I wants a dayvorce

[Libertariantranslator]

A 70-year old Texas gal with a western wear shoppe told me almost the same joke when I was in college.

[SQRLSY One]

Yup, that joke is ancient! I heard a version of it ??? 30 years ago or so...

[sarcasmic]

Cocks.

[John F. Carr]

A good debating society would have won the argument with the student union.

[perlmonger]

It's hard to argue with a lock on the end of a chain being swung at your head.

[Longtobefree]

There are two arguments against that; .357 and .44

[A Cynical Asshole]

What about 7.62?

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[Quo Usque Tandem]

In England? Hell, you can't even have a pointy pair of scissors there!

[Mickey Rat]

This is the UK. They are legally disarmed and do not have even a right to self defense.

[Adans smith]

Being 'strong armed' by a bunch of children is not something to admit.

[Rossami]

When the other party is, by the same age standard, also a child, yeah it is. Especially when the credible signs are that the bully will be backed up by the supposed "adults".

[Dillinger]

the head of the student union is an idiot.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

But at this time he is a fashionable idiot.

Seriously, when a majority of these people who were embraced by progressive idiot-ology regret their sex change, it will all just go away.
Like it never happened. And then only a bitter and resentful person will dare to bring it up.

[Dillinger]

I have two of them in the immediate family now it's mindboggling

[D-Pizzle]

I know a mtf trans who didn't get the snip (they very rarely do) and has been slowly and subtly defeminizing his appearance, though at some point, he's going to have to say, "Remember that trans stuff I've been going on about for the past couple of years? Yeah, about that..."

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Well at least he-she-it [he shit, for short] didn't get anything lopped off, and hopefully didn't have his hormones and development irrevocably fucked pre puberty.

[perlmonger]

I have a nephew who I'm very concerned about on that front. :-/

[Johnathan Galt]

All students are, by definition, idiots.

[Libertariantranslator]

Those debater impersonaters would faint at the sight of Tatsuya Ishida's Sinfest webcomic.

[Libertariantranslator]

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