Nearly 40 Migrants Died in a Juarez Detention Center Fire. U.S. Border Policy Is Partially To Blame.
America's approach to the border helps contribute to the overcrowding and violence migrants face in Mexico.

On Monday night, a fire broke out at a migrant detention center in Ciudad Juarez, a Mexican city just across the border from El Paso, Texas. By the time the smoke cleared, nearly 40 migrants were dead.
Mexican and American government officials have blamed many factors for the tragedy. Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said the migrants had started the fire "as a form of protest" after learning they would be deported. (Some migrants who had previously been in the shelter have doubted this account, saying the center strips all migrants of their possessions). Some have implicated the detention center guards, who were seen in a video "not appear[ing] to make any effort to open the cell doors," per the Associated Press.
The State Department's Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration called the deaths "a painful reminder of the risks of irregular migration." But U.S. immigration policy also played a role in the Monday tragedy, contributing to overcrowding and violence south of the border as desperate migrants are deported from the U.S. and barred from entering the country in the first place.
The Biden administration announced new measures to toughen the border in January, including significant restrictions on the asylum process. It also launched an app, CBP One, which is now the only legal way for migrants to request humanitarian protection at the U.S.-Mexico border. "Daily appointments run out within minutes on the app, which has been prone to crashing and is unavailable in most languages," according to the Los Angeles Times. Migrants have waited at the border for months due to the glitchy app and the continued renewal of the Title 42 order, a pandemic-era policy that allows U.S. border officials to immediately expel migrants who enter the country.
Waiting south of the border has long been dangerous. Under "Remain in Mexico," a Trump and Biden administration policy that forces migrants to stay in Mexico as they await their American immigration court dates, asylum seekers have faced rampant violence. Human Rights First has recorded over 1,500 cases of kidnappings, murders, rapes, and other violent attacks against those relegated to Mexico.
Just as south-of-the-border tent cities ballooned under that policy, thousands of migrants are now living in encampments in Mexico. Mexican shelters are stretched far beyond their capacities. A Mexican federal official interviewed by the Los Angeles Times cited this as a "motive for the protest" in Juarez—"68 men were packed into a cell meant for no more than 50 people."
Crowding may well get worse when the Biden administration imposes a new border rule in May, which will largely bar non-Mexican migrants from receiving asylum in the U.S. if they don't apply for protection in countries they passed through on their way there. In effect, it "would presume asylum ineligibility for those who enter illegally," per The Washington Post.
American border policies alone didn't cause the deaths in Juarez, but the tragedy highlights the limitations of the "prevention through deterrence" approach. If the journey is made inconvenient enough and the penalties sufficiently severe, the logic goes, migrants will be discouraged. But they haven't been—tens of thousands of people are still attempting the journey, which only grows deadlier as legal entry becomes more limited.
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Blame US policy for a fire in Mexico started by the detainees themselves. The spirit of Shikha Dalmia is alive and well at Reason, I see.
Well, at least they did mention that part in the body of the article.
Most of the main stream news stories I saw about this incident would leave a reader under the impression that this was some sort of accidental fire, or due to poor facilities, and also that it happened in the US.
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What more is there to say? That, exactly.
|"Nearly 40 migrants die . . . . U.S. border policy partly to blame."|
Horseshit. This is the kind of crap that oozes and sometimes squirts from hate America, America Last, Anti-Fa, SPLC, and BLM ani. And millennials and younger who swallow this load of crap will get to (1) live with the results and (2) wallow in their buyers remorse (3) in a situation they will find that they have invited but then cannot escape from.
Had the exact same reaction. I very pro immigration but stupid articles like this don't help at all.
I am very pro LEGAL immigration we need immigrants, very against ILLEGAL immigration we need to know who is coming here. If the immigration laws are obsolete, work to change them, don’t ignore them. If the President can pick and chose what laws to support and ignore (which he by the way swore an oath to uphold) why should the rest of us not do the same thing and ignore laws we don’t like? I swore no oath to uphold or obey the law. We see that with the increased crime happening right now.
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She's finally gone Full Retard on the border issue.
"The UD is to blame for the fact that intended migrants who aren't even on our side of the border yet are facing violence in Mexico. Mexico entirely not to blame, because those stupid beaners can't actually be blamed for anything, given how stupid and beanery they are."
Like, it's not only offensive in how dumb she thinks *we* must be to even*potentially* buy this crap, but in how condescending it is towards everyone else involved in the article. Mexicans aren't competent enough to be blamed for the failings of their government to maintain order. Migrants aren't responsible for their own choices. Only Whitey is competent enough to shoulder the blame for anything, because only Whitey can actually accomplish anything.
It's beyond "White Savior" and into like, I don't even know, "White Demigod" or some shit.
Also, unless Fiona is hosting at least three illegals per room in her dwelling, save the one she's in, which only needs two to make the occupancy numbers, I don't want to hear another fucking word from her on this topic.
I blame Fiona Harrington.
She is responsible for their deaths.
It wouldn’t shock me if Biden nominated Shitty Shikha as Mayorkas’ replacement after he’s forced to let him go.
Reason writers hate America.
"U.S. Border Policy Is Partially To Blame."
"But U.S. immigration policy also played a role in the Monday tragedy, contributing to overcrowding and violence south of the border as desperate migrants are deported from the U.S. and barred from entering the country in the first place."
These statements commit so many logical fallacies, I hardly know where to begin.
It's almost impressive in its utter bullshittery.
An honest article would be titled ‘ Nearly 40 Migrants Died in a Juarez Detention Center Fire. Joe Biden’ Open Borders Policy To Blame.
Could be worse, maybe, they could be carrying water for domestic terrorists firebombing detention centers because they don't carry membership cards of the organizations to which they espouse loyalty.
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The promise of open borders is why this happened you goddamned pedophile.
Kill yourself, you stupid bitch.
Turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
An Algerian man sprained his ankle falling down a flight of stairs in Djibouti last night. U.S. Border Policy is partially to blame.
Sheik Djibouti
Sheikh Yerbouti
Man murders store owner robbing him, US partly to blame by not giving him free money.
Ah, a change up. I was thinking it was an illegal immigrant committing a crime that leads to a death, and the border (non) eforcement policy being partly to blame.
Well, technically it WAS an illegal immigrant committing a crime that leads to death: Arson.
Man commits murder and after being tried and convicted commits suicide in his cell. The laws against murder are to blame.
tens of thousands of people are still attempting the journey, which only grows deadlier as legal entry becomes more limited.
So, the policy is working.
Someone should tell them to turn around and head back home.
Tell them clearly or have a discussion about how, if the circles don't overlap, is it still a Venn diagram?
Kamala took care of it.
>>a Trump and Biden administration
Mark Goodson / Bill Todman production.
But U.S. immigration policy also played a role in the Monday tragedy, contributing to overcrowding and violence south of the border as desperate migrants are deported from the U.S. and barred from entering the country in the first place.
"U.S. criminal law plays a role in prison riots, contributing to overcrowding and violence as desperate convicts are separated from their neighborhoods and barred from committing crimes there."
This tracks. Those 9 year olds at Covenant School are partially responsible for their own deaths, or so I’ve read
You joke, but there are people seriously arguing that.
All over Twitter right now, in fact.
Is there any doubt remaining that we have to get rid of the democrats?
I fucking hate people sometimes.
Only sometimes? I'm envious.
If they were allowed to immigrate to a new sex it wouldn't have happened.
I don't see how making people abide by what I think is international law requiring them to petition for asylum in the first country they enter is a grave injustice.
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I've been asking that for several years now and the answer I usually get is "BUT FEELZ!"
Why wouldn’t Mexico allow them to live in Mexico?
Because Mexico is allowed to have borders.
I thought the immigrants starting the fire were at fault. Huh.
Everybody knows the oxygen in the air that allowed the fire to burn is the real party at fault.
No, the oxygen in the air is Whitey's fault. Mexicans aren't to blame for anything.
Let me tell you how systemic racism is to blame, and how open borders is the answer...
Well, yes: if people like you didn't create false expectations in migrants, they wouldn't make the risky trip here.
Yes, Fiona, you are responsible for their deaths.
This, I agree with. It started with the Chocolate Jesus (this time), but the culpability extends through everyone who supports the absolutely fucking retarded bullshit border policy. Fiona might as well have lit the match herself.
Migrant detention center across the border gets attention from reason before 9 year old whites who got murdered by leftist ideology.
Very telling, folks.
Actually not telling at all.
Parsons > Laursen. Probably had better YouTube vids too.
Parsons > Laursen
Wow! I just realized it now... Mike Laursen IS the exact same character as 1984's Tom Parsons. In the book Tom Parsons is the complete embodiment of the totalitarian government’s manipulative mindset. Just like Mike.
Mike is dumber.
Wasn't he the guy who said that HO2 was water?
There should be a ‘greatest hits’ thread for his pronouncements.
Enh. I dunno. Fiona's gonna Fiona. She probably just has ChatGPT churn these out at this point.
Elon is gonna shut that shit down, so Fiona gonna have to get back in the saddle and exhibit some artificial intelligence of her own.
"Write me a story explaining why [insert current event] proves my billionaire sugar daddy deserves unlimited cheap imported labor."
At least this one wasn't about Ukraine?
It *did* at least involve events which occurred on this continent. So there's that.
We need to let 'em in asap so they can get to work in an exploding chocolate factory!
What took the Fiona-bot so long?
Translation of the title: Nearly 40 Migrants Died in a Juarez Detention Center Fire. U.S. Having a Border Is Partially To Blame
And by partially it means completely.
If we gave every homeless person free housing and monthly salary, we could theoretically end homelessness crisis. But this is NOT the solution. People who understand the root cause of such poblems and the concept of unintended consequences would understand this.
If you facilitate entry into the country, MORE people will come, and this time from beyond South America. Finding residence for these people will become a nightmare for big states where most migrants will claim as their new home. Open borders merely transfer the headache from one area to another. And overcrowded facilities will remain a reality anyways, because it won’t possible to find individual housing for every migrant or asylum seeker.
There could be like 50 thousands Honduran “refugees” who would love to apply to asylum in America RIGHT NOW. Open borders mean they just fly in, apply for asylum and we have to host them as they wait, hoping that they make every court appearance. Think we can do that for 10 years? Overcrowded facilities will cease to become issues? All the liberal nimbys will find them spacious accomodations?
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I would like to point out that nothing even remotely like this happened in the Martha's Vineyard reception center of virtuous love for all people who are simply undocumented.
No pizzaa in this establishment.
How about, don't come?
"a painful reminder of the risks of irregular migration."
Truth in reporting:
"a painful reminder of the risks of criminal border crossings."
(Actually, if there were a 300 yard deep mine field backed up by heavy machine guns, very few would attempt it, and there would be no arson)
Closed border or not I can't understand anyone advocating an iron curtain in the US.
All those soldiers manning the machine guns on the Berlin Wall were just there to keep those pesky West Germans from sneaking over to the east.
"Irregular migration"...the newspeak is coming.
Russia continues to see resistance to mostly peaceful annexation of Ukraine. US warmongering partially to blame.
You joke, but I think a rational argument could be made that US foreign policy encourages Russian bad behavior.
Encourages? Putin is an orc who wants to be a czar. He doesn't need encouragement.
You don’t think poking a bear that wants to appear tough and ruthless won’t have consequences?
What kills migrants is encouraging them to come via dangerous routes, like walking or getting smuggled in.
In this case, they started the fire that killed themselves.
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Joe Biden invited these people here promising them illegal entry. Joe Biden's kinder, gentler, more humane border. More people dying,
Future Dem voters.
Future hell, they probably vote now by mail.
Isn't it equally valid to say that Reason's approach to the border (encouraging illegal immigration) helps contribute to the overcrowding and violence migrants face in Mexico?
Is it unreasonable to expect that countries which are signed signatories to the UN Refugee convention, honor that agreement and grant political asylum to people fleeing political persecution?
After all, since most of these migrants aren't actually fleeing political persecution, and most will have their applications rejected, it would be better to find out in Mexico before walking an additional 1000 miles and find out in the United States.
Not to mention, Catholic, hispanic, spanish speaking countries can assimilate Catholic, hispanic, spanish speaking migrants much better than the US can.
Of course migrants would prefer to live in the wealthiest countries possible (who wouldn't?) but that's not what the asylum process was intended for.
“U.S. Border Policy Is Partially To Blame.”
“But U.S. immigration policy also played a role in the Monday tragedy, contributing to overcrowding and violence south of the border as desperate migrants are deported from the U.S. and barred from entering the country in the first place.”
These statements commit so many logical fallacies, I hardly know where to begin.
Fionna's solution must be that the US should annex Mexico, and make then abide by OSHA standards; might as well since she thinks the US is responsible for whatever happens down there any way.
Taking over Mexico and Central America would be one solution. A truly fucking terrible one, admittedly, but it would potentially give us a much shorter chokepoint at the isthmus.
Just take back the Panama canal, and fence the hell out of it “for security”.
It'd be worth it just to kick China out of it.
Mexico and Central America are more upscale and hard working than southern California.
Did they have papers? No? Well then they weren't human beings. Just illegal bipeds.
Whatever they were, they weren't our responsibility.
Reason scribblers:
"US is to blame for, oh, just about any tragedy. Anywhere. Anytime."
Reason readers (who keep subscribing in the waning hope that the rag will, at least occasionally, live up to its name):
"Yawn! Your insipid sophistry is boring. And dangerous."
Let's just solve this whole thing. It's easy.
First, STOP TRYING TO BREAK INTO THE US.
Okay? That's first..
Second, unless you are actively fleeing people who are actually trying to actively kill YOU, stay in your home country and your home.
Great. Now, unless you are an actual refugee, do this.
Contact the anti-illegal immigration people in the US. Explain to them why you want to LEGALLY emigrate, what you will bring to the country and how you will be a part of America. They will help you.
It will not be easy because the people who claim to be pro-immigration have set up roadblocks designed to facilitate the importation of an illegal servant class that has no recourse to the law. They are the same people who tried to secede so they could have slaves.
It will be hard, but the anti-illegal immigration people will get you in legally and faster than you would if you snuck across the border and had to wait until leftists could force a RINO to declare an amnesty.
They are the same people who tried to secede so they could have slaves.
Mormons?
https://www.axios.com/local/salt-lake-city/2023/03/30/salt-lake-city-restaurant-supply-violating-child-labor
Nearly 40 Migrants Died in a Juarez Detention Center Fire. U.S. Border Policy Is Partially To Blame.
Not bad for a start. Let's see if it scales up.
I don't think we should forget her coverage of this incident either: https://abcnews.go.com/US/men-indicted-53-migrants-found-dead-tractor-trailer/story?id=87181222
Trying to make it clear that it's Fiona I attribute these sentiments to there. Though it probably wasn't over the top enough to actually work on the internet.