Two Decades Later, the War in Iraq Is Over—Right?
There’s no vital U.S. interest served by this indefinite advise-and-assist mission in the region.
Two decades ago, the war in Iraq began. The regime change mission was "accomplished" in a matter of weeks. Then, after that initial steroid high wore off, the limits of American military might started to show.
The U.S. occupation produced one tragic debacle after another. Public judgment of the war's proponents moved from "convincing" to "mistaken" to "deceptive" to "deplorable." Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died, and millions more endured needless suffering. Baghdad did not emerge as a shining city on a hill. Once enthusiastic about the invasion, the American people first stopped delighting in the project and then, unless forced to attention by some discrete new horror like the rise of the Islamic State (IS) group, stopped looking at all.
When did the war in Iraq end? Or are we right to speak of it entirely in the past tense? This ought to be easy to answer, on the 20th anniversary of the invasion no less, but the situation is nebulous at best. It makes the questions worth asking, and it poses a real—if difficult to measure and easily ignored—risk to American security, too.
Fixing an end date for this war is messy in part because we have so many options on hand. Former President George W. Bush said "major combat operations" were done in May 2003, but that didn't exactly hold up.
By a slightly more plausible account, the war's been over for a dozen years. Then-President Barack Obama announced he was "responsibly ending the war in Iraq" in 2009, shortly after he came to office, in part on the strength of his condemnation of Bush's decision to invade. The combat mission officially concluded for a second time two years later, in 2011, with around 700 U.S. troops remaining behind in an advise-and-assist role, along with several thousand U.S. contractors.
But once IS started grabbing land in Iraq and neighboring Syria in 2014, committing anachronistic atrocities along the way, the Obama administration went back in. This second round never included a U.S. ground presence anywhere near the scale of the 160,000 American soldiers (plus nearly as many contractors) deployed during the 2007 surge. But U.S. forces again numbered in the thousands and continued to do so until the Iraqi government in 2020 asked then-President Donald Trump to make another exit plan.
The Trump administration dismissed that request, so it wasn't until the end of 2021 that President Joe Biden announced the third end of the U.S. combat mission in Iraq. This time, about 2,500 U.S. soldiers stayed behind to advise and assist—indefinitely.
This month, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin made a visit to Baghdad to discuss those 2,500. "We focus on the mission, which is the defeat of ISIS, and we are here not for any other purpose," he said, reiterating the Biden administration's position (which some Iraqi parliamentarians contend is a lie) that these troops won't do any actual fighting. But Austin also said "any attacks against our forces could undermine that mission," alluding to dozens of attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq and Syria by Iran-linked militias. Those attacks have slowed but do still happen, at least as recently as January.
The Iran connection is important here because IS is transparently not the only reason for the ongoing U.S. military presence in Iraq, whatever Austin claims. In 2019, Trump revealed he wanted to stay in Iraq long-term to "be able to watch Iran." "This is what a lot of people don't understand," he said. "We're going to keep watching, and we're going to keep seeing, and if there's trouble—if somebody is looking to do nuclear weapons or other things—we're going to know it before they do."
Biden hasn't been as unreserved as Trump in his comments on the strategy here, but countering Iran is widely understood to be a U.S. objective in keeping a toe in Iraq. Austin's trip was also meant as a show of support for the Iraqi prime minister's "push back against Iranian influence in the country, former officials and experts" told Reuters, with an unnamed senior U.S. defense official adding that "Iraqi leaders share our interest in Iraq not becoming a playground for conflict between the United States and Iran."
Avoiding a third round of the war in Iraq, with Iran taking the place IS and Saddam Hussein held in prior iterations, is indeed in both U.S. and Iraqi interests. But it's far from clear that this indefinite American force presence is a good way to achieve that goal.
Keeping thousands of U.S. soldiers in rocket range of Iran-linked militias props open a door to the very reescalation we want to avoid. There's no vital U.S. interest served by this indefinite advise-and-assist mission—our national security would not be materially affected if it ended tomorrow—but it does give these militias, the last bits of IS, and any other regional actors who want to have a go at America a convenient local target for their wrath and a perpetual billboard for recruitment.
The extent of that risk is difficult to gauge, and, hopefully, the potential reescalation will never happen. But this time a decade ago we were a year and a quarter out from the "end" of the war in Iraq, with a residual advise-and-assist force in place—and a year and a quarter away from the war's rebeginning. And now we're a year and a quarter out from another end of the war in Iraq, with a residual advise-and-assist force in place. It's not unreasonable to ask: Is it over?
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War under Bush=Just like Hitler
War under Obama=Nobel Peace Prize
Bush says Mission Accomplished=ridicule
Obama says Mission Accomplished=celebration
Yep, and we are still there.
You forget cunts like Bonnie absolutely freaking out when Trump did anything to deescalate the war in Iraq.
Which one of these articles was it?
https://reason.com/people/bonnie-kristian/
Nice name change Mike. Did you check her Twitter too?
He also said "like Bonnie", not stating she did. English and all.
Don't actually know her take myself.
Somehow she blamed Iran on Trump. Poor Biden.
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2021/01/donald-trumps-parting-gift-to-joe-biden-a-crisis-with-iran/
Article of hers against Trump's foreign policies which was largely no new wars and all.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/skeptics/donald-trumps-erratic-foreign-policy-failure-121886
In the first she observes that relations with Iran were worse at the end of Trump's term than at the beginning and explains why. I don't see how that's unreasonable.
In the second she highlights the disconnect between what he said he was going to do and what he did. Again, not unreasonable.
I truly don't understand how criticism of policy and actions based upon facts somehow equals a personal attack based upon animosity. I don't see how it's any different than the Obamabots shouting "Racist!" at anyone who was critical of his policies.
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Didn't you get the memo? Criticism of Trump automatically amounts to "derangement". It can't possibly be based on facts or legitimate disagreement.
Although she did defend him on Syria.
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/423440-washingtons-reflexive-opposition-to-trump-on-syria/
So at least that is right.
In that one she observes what you claim she is doing. That's a head scratcher.
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Biden says "as long as it takes" in Ukraine - Best wartime leader since Churchill!!
Sort of like the support of Ukraine? It will fail, kill hundreds of thousands, further bankrupt America and maybe even start a nuclear war..
From yesterday:
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I was never more ashamed to be an American. And thus began my long feud with Bible Beating WOO WOO conservatives.
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I recall you conservatives defending Dubya like you do Donnie today.
The more Big Gov Dubya passed the more praise he got. NCLB? "We need a big central education solution!" said conservatives. PATRIOT Act? Needed to fight the War on Terror. DHS? Make it big! Medicare Pharma Welfare Act? Conservatives loved it. Trillion dollar deficits? No problem!
Democrats rolled over like usual. Those were combative times.
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Damn few conservatives and liberals stood up against the war. I recall being shocked at how the GOP, a party of supposed no nation building and balanced budgets created the survillance state. I would not have said this even five years ago but Bush is a war criminal.
Also yesterday I reminded everyone of your refusal to grapple with the fact that your arch-enemies from 20 years ago, and other people instrumental in making that war happen, are on your side now. An incomplete list:
David "Axis of Evil" Frum (Bush speechwriter) now writes for establishment liberal rag The Atlantic.
Jeffrey "Iraq / Al Qaeda Connection" Goldberg runs The Atlantic.
Bill Kristol (went on TV and even wrote a book promoting the war) endorses Democrats now and founded The Bulwark which you've linked to multiple times.
Joe Biden, who you defend constantly, voted for the war as a Senator.
Hillary Clinton, whose humiliating 2016 defeat still leaves you traumatized, voted for the war as a Senator.
Matthew Dowd, who helped run Bush's reelection campaign, is now a Democrat.
very accurate. The GOP was just a means to an end for these folks..and now they have moved on to mother Russia..the homeland for the Trotskies whom many of the neocons loved.
Except, you know, preventing the takeover of Iraq by the totalitarian, terrorism-sponsoring, uranium-enriching, "Death to America"-chant-organizing Iran, which could then leverage control of Iraq to seize control of the Arabian Peninsula.
In that scenario, no international sanctions regime can hold; the combined oil of Iran, southern Iraq, and the Arabian Peninsula is too much, and the rest of the world will accommodate such a state. Iran, floating on a massive amount of oil wealth, will be free to pursue nuclear weapons, further military buildup, and expand its habit of funding terrorist groups.
While a different foreign policy in the middle of the 20th Century might have produced different results, it is now far too late to conciliate the Iranian regime. So it is in fact a vital U.S. interest to avoid the birth of an oil-funded, nuclear-armed, anti-American major world power.
That leaves two places to stop the scenario. In version one, we put troops in Iraq to stop a takeover, which usefully contains the Iranians as close too the source as possible. In version two, we let them have Iraq, and deploy troops to Saudi Arabia to prevent troops in Iraq from coming south.
The last time we tried version 2, it birthed a little something called "Al Qaeda". Remember them?
So, yeah, actually that advise-and-assist mission is covering a pretty vital U.S. interest, the "don't have an implacably hostile regime control half the world's oil reserves an nuclear weapons" interest.
A person could still argue, on a balance of interests basis, that we still shouldn't have a mission in Iraq. But claiming we have no vital interest in Iraq being served by the mission is just obviously utter nonsense.
Just over a week ago Iranian and Saudi Arabian officials met in China and agreed to restore relations after a rift of seven years.
Yes, after seven years of refusing to even talk with each other while fighting a proxy war, they're moving back to the same level of warm relations the United States had with the Soviet Union during the worst moments of the Cold War.
Forgive me if I don't see that as a definitive statement that the Iranian theocrats have forsworn any interest in a) having enough oil that they can break all sanctions regimes, b) liberating their fellow Shiites in northeast Saudi Arabia from Sunni rule, or c) gaining control of Mecca.
Your scenario and five dollars will get you a cup of coffee in Seattle. You can fantasize any imaginable and even some unimaginable scenarios to justify just about anything you want to justify if power and position are your personal goals. The rest of us need not recognize or acknowledge you. A partial list of failed excuses for military interventionism over the decades includes: The Domino Theory, Containment, Making the World Safe for Democracy, the Monroe Doctrine, American Exceptionalism, The Global War Against Terrorism, Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick, Nuclear Disarmament and Mutually Assured Destruction. The actual goals of those “policies” was: Ensuring Profits for American Corporations; Making Banana Republics Reliable Exporters; Protecting Our Access to Cheap Oil; Bankrupting International Socialism By Raising The Stakes; and Propping Up Dictators Who Pretended to be Our Allies. Balance of Interests is not worth one single American life or a single American dollar. If you have an interest in middle-east warfare, go there and fight on your own. Don't send our children and grandchildren to ensure profits for Aramco.
There is a huge difference between "I don't think that scenario is a big enough danger to American lives to outbalance the risk to American lives in continuing to have advisors in Iraq" and "I refuse to even consider an approach of thinking through what course of action will save the most American lives, and I'm going to declare anyone who advocates such an approach a warmonger trying to maximize Aramco profits."
People saying the first are actually trying to save American lives.
People saying the second are just idiots operating on spinal reflex. Worse, they look like idiots, and accordingly make all opponents of intervention look like idiots to policymakers, thus actually increasing the odds of intervention through their zero-thought opposition to it.
Whatever you're taking, you need to cut the dose in half. Or maybe double it, I'm not sure.
>>limits of American military might started to show
ouch. maybe the guys calling the shots were the limited ones?
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20 years? More like 32.
Our invasion of Iraq started in 91 after their invasion of Kuwait. Clinton was managing the war during his terms via no fly zones.
Shouldn't we examine the role of Congress here? They authorized the use of force. Say what you will about POTUS Bush, but he went to Congress to get authorization. They said yes. I believe both POTUS Biden and then Senator Kerry voted for it. Along with....her (Hillary).
Did anyone subsequently do that...go to Congress? Nope.
Can we get back to Congress voting on this shit?
Most members of congress toe the line from NYC and Tel Aviv..you realize that right?
The Vietnam war ended 50 years ago, and now, apparently, we won.
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This was never about the security of the US...rather another country in the middle east who has immense control over the US foreign policy with lobbyists so powerful the first question both Carter and Reagan asked Tip O'Neil was...well you get it. (from Tip's autobiography). Bush was a moron controlled by the necons. While he should be arrested for war crimes the "trotsky" neocons (most were Canadian as well) should be sent straight to hell..but the media protects them..again we can't talk about that can we?