How the Media Got the Vinyl Chloride Risk All Wrong
The Ohio train accident was frightening enough. Spreading inaccurate information won’t help the citizens of East Palestine.

The residents of East Palestine, Ohio, have more than enough to worry about. A train wreck with black fumes of burning chemicals pouring from a tank is frightening enough. The absolute last thing they need is the news media spreading even scarier—but inaccurate—information about the accident.
Yet for weeks, that is precisely what's been going on.
Vinyl chloride, a chemical long used to make PVC plastics, is being portrayed as something more suitable for capital punishment than for a routine manufacturing process in a factory. Ohioans, like the rest of the country, are being bombarded by horrifying claims about its health risks, most of which have been just plain wrong.
There is, in fact, strong evidence that vinyl chloride not only is not deadly but is, in fact, considerably less toxic than many common, everyday drugs and chemicals. Likewise, its cancer risks have also been wildly overstated. It is easy to call a chemical a carcinogen, but in the absence of context, dose, and length of exposure, this term means little.
Fortunately, there is a longstanding, highly regarded organization that provides information on the health risks of individual chemicals. The National Fire Prevention Association (NFPA) describes itself as "a global self-funded nonprofit organization, established in 1896, devoted to eliminating death, injury, property and economic loss due to fire, electrical and related hazards." The group maintains a database of more than 3,000 chemicals—a critical tool for first responders or other workers who must deal with the aftermath of a chemical spill or fire. Here we can begin to understand the real risks of vinyl chloride.
NFPA uses color-coded "safety diamonds" to provide easily read information about chemicals that firefighters may encounter. They quickly cover a chemical's health hazards, flammability, and stability (that is, whether it can spontaneously explode), along with any special warnings—for example, when exposure to water must be avoided.

NFPA classifies health hazards on a scale of 0 to 4, where 0 indicates little or no hazard and 4 is reserved for deadly chemicals that can kill even with short exposure. Vinyl chloride has a 2 rating—a "moderate" hazard, described as posing a "temporary or minor, reversible injury [that may be] harmful if swallowed, inhaled, or absorbed through the skin."
To put this in perspective, both alcohol and chloroform—the latter was used for general anesthesia for 125 years—are also rated 2. Both alcohol and chloroform are also known carcinogens.

The disconnect between the data and the coverage becomes even more apparent when data from animal models of toxicity are considered. One common measure of toxicity is the LD50, which stands for "lethal dose 50 percent"—the amount of material given at once (usually orally) that kills half of the test animals. Although these data cannot be quantitatively applied to human beings, LD50 values are useful for identifying which chemicals are very toxic (and which are very safe). If vinyl chloride was highly toxic, the test would indicate it.
In rats, ethanol and vinyl chloride are both non-toxic; it takes a large dose to kill the animal. Both caffeine and aspirin are at least 10 times more toxic than vinyl chloride.

Ohio residents are being exposed primarily by inhalation, not oral consumption, which may reduce the relevance of LD50 values. But according to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, vinyl chloride toxicity via inhalation is low in both rodents and people. It is not unreasonable to assume that the chemical would have been useful for general anesthesia when the science was in its infancy. Indeed, a 1947 study showed that it not only was efficacious in animals but was less toxic than chloroform, although the authors ultimately recommended against its use in general anesthesia because the therapeutic index—the difference between the effective and lethal dose—was too small.
The cancer risks, probably the scariest to most people, have also been badly exaggerated. But in a different way—duration of exposure.
Cancers do not result from single exposure to chemical carcinogens. It takes years for cigarette smokers to develop lung cancer. The chances of cancer developing many years later from a single or brief exposure, whether it be one cigarette, a pack, or even a carton, are infinitesimally small. The same holds true for vinyl chloride; it is an occupational carcinogen. Between its volatility and rapid metabolism, vinyl chloride does not accumulate in the human body.
Aside from the possibility of catastrophic explosion, there is one genuine scare from vinyl chloride: its combustion products.
When it burns—as it is still doing today—vinyl chloride is known to produce deadly phosgene gas (a WWI chemical weapon) and hydrogen chloride, a highly corrosive irritant. The latter is probably responsible for residents' symptoms and fish deaths, since fish are extremely sensitive to acidic water.
While it seems clear that hydrogen chloride exposure is real, the same cannot be said for phosgene. Had people near the accident been exposed to significant amounts of phosgene (and it doesn't take much), the picture would be very different. Intensive care units and morgues would be full. In the absence of severe illness and death, it can reasonably be assumed that phosgene has not been released in significant quantities
Finally, the threat from the accident could have been far worse had the train been carrying some of the highly toxic chemicals—far worse than vinyl chloride—that are routinely shipped around the country. But this is little comfort to East Palestine residents. They are still coping with a burning train containing at least five other chemicals. The last thing they need are sensationalized, inaccurate reports of a rather benign chemical in their midst.
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About all you need to know is that Erin Brockovich showed up in East Palestine, which is next door to Gloria Allred or Al Sharpton showing up.
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At least a week after the material was set on fire people were still posting fire pictures from the first day. This has become a Republican grift to post blame on the current admin. Deservedly so, but this has been overdone. Every hypochondriac is interviewed and shown to be suffering. The lawyers are certainly salivating over this.
Nothing to see here, move along…..
Funny you should mention "lawyers". My Niece and her family live just outside the evacuation area. I babysat my Great Nieces last Saturday. I had four people knock on the door wanting to know who was representing my Niece in a lawsuit.
It also bears mentioning that Norfolk Southern is a non-union railroad. This event was largely ignored at first. Some even said "They voted for Trump let them suffer.", but look how fast the Biden Administration responded when it's Union masters yanked its chain.
Serious question. Are the reports of animals dying true? I’ve seen things that say pets and outdoor animals like chickens were dying after being exposed. Plus the fish die offs in the creeks that were polluted. Is that true? Or is it being blown way out of proportion?
Wouldn’t it be neat if we had a press we could believe?
Most of the, crib off each other and do me real reporting. No wonder they’re terrified of losing their jobs to an AI.
No Class 1 RR in the US is non-Union. They are covered under the Railway Labor Act by multiple union agreements. A different one for each craft + various legacy agreements.
What isn’t being talked about is the train crew. One of their primary duties is inspecting their train as it travels across their territory. The car in question with the Hotbox was only 23 cars from the Head end. That’s about 1200-1500 feet, depending. The car was on fire for almost 20 miles. How did they not see it? While I don’t think we’ll ever get a honest answer from them, you can bet the NTSB & FRA will be asking them a lot of questions, if they haven’t already. That crew was the last line of defense on that train. They failed.
The Unions are demanding the FRA mandate two person crews, but what good are they if they’re not doing their job?
Awww, poor baby. At least there was something there as opposed to the Russia collusion, the unarmed "insurrection", the Covington kids, etc. Now compare that to the downplaying of the violent riots and political murders by Democrats over the last 7 years and I'll begin to care when there are appropriate consequences to those propagandists.
"...This has become a Republican grift to post blame on the current admin..."
Yeah, all those GOP newspapers printing pictures of the fires, right?
The Soviets who covered up Chernobyl could have learned from you.
Noted Republican Erin Brockovich agrees.
The essay makes no mention of the effect the incident could have on the ground water and local wells. This seems to be one of the biggest concerns of the area residents.
Also, I infer that Josh Bloom has not been anywhere near the scene, and just does his research on cable news. Otherwise, he might have mentioned that this is just as much Pennsylvania's problem as it is Ohio's.
And have you "been anywhere near the scene"? Are you another who "just does his research on cable news"?
In Barnstormer’s defense, he didn’t just publish an article about how we should remain calm and that all is well. Josh Bloom did.
What kind of knowledge of how chemicals persist in the environment would one get from being closer to the scene?
No one is saying this is no big deal. Just that it's not the end of the world or a new Chernobyl or something.
Having trouble reading? The article already mentions the chemical’s volatility and rapid metabolism.
Okay, maybe that does require a little explanation. I should not be so snarky. Volatility is a measure of how fast things evaporate away. Vinyl chloride (also called chloroethene) is a very small molecule with a boiling point of about 8 F (-13 C) and a vapor pressure of about 344 kPa. That makes it more volatile than butane. So for a quick comparison, break open a cheap butane cigarette lighter, pour the contents onto a paper plate and measure how long until the plate is completely dry again. (You’ll be lucky to get any in liquid form on the plate at all.) Chloroethene evaporates even faster than that. There is just no way that any significant quantity will ever reach the water table.
Factual information from those who have it is very much appreciated. Thank you.
Yes, empty a lighter and it evaporates. Now, empty a dozen tank cars. It does not evaporate quite so quickly. It requires heat to evaporate and the heat has to come from somewhere. At first the ground is warm providing the heat, but slowly it cools and the evaporation slows. With this huge quantity it will take a long, long time to completely evaporate.
Vinyl chloride polymerizes to form PVC and that process releases heat, a lot of heat. In a situation like this, the spontaneous polymerization could be more dangerous than a fire. The uncontrolled polymerization could cause an explosion which would distribute the material widely. Controlled combustion is one way to get rid of vinyl chloride. Further, both combustion and other processes make other chlorine containing materials that are carcinogens. Decomposition of vinyl chloride produces hydrochloric acid, a very strong acid that attacks other materials.
Vinyl chloride reacts with other materials as well. What's more, the spill included butyl acrylate, an irritant and somewhat dangerous material. It also can polymerize.
A whole cascade of materials, including some that are dangerous or carcinogenic, and some that could leach into the ground water, could be produced from this spill.
Do not underestimate the seriousness of this spill.
- PhD Chemist
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Barnstormer is partly correct. Going into environmental persistance would have been too long and too technical for this article. The good news is that vinyl chloride’s persistence in water or soil is fleeting, something I wrote about on our ACSH site. But the reason that I'm the only one reporting accurate facts is that I did *not* base anything on cable news. My background in chemistry (Ph.D.) and toxicology (20+ years of pharmaceutical research) made it quite easy to find relevant information on the environmental/biological impact of the chemical - something any qualified chemist could have done. But it would seem that no one else bothered If you want more detail, here is a link to the longer article. https://www.acsh.org/news/2023/02/27/putting-east-palestine-train-accident-perspective-16909
Josh Bloom,
Thanks for engaging here; I very much appreciate it.
I have family and friends within 10 miles of East Palestine, so I do pay close attention to what’s being said about the incident.
Another aspect of this thing that no one has addressed, is that at the time of the controlled burn, an inversion layer in the atmosphere prevented the plume from climbing more than about 3000′ AGL, thus the soot did not go aloft and disperse over a wide area, instead falling back to earth within miles of the site. I have spoken to people in Pennsylvania (the downwind side that day) that believe this may have endangered them (and their livestock).
That would correlate with anecdotal claims of pet and livestock deaths.
Link to your article from early 2020 condemning the irrational overreaction to covid and calling it a political gift.
Oh, that article doesn't exist?
What conceivable relevance does this have? Oh, right, none whatsoever, precisely as I'd expect.
Josh, you are ignoring the reactions of vinyl chloride with water, other bio-materials, and its polymerization. These are all pretty likely - to at least some extent - under the conditions of a spill. Vinyl chloride may be relatively safe, but many of its reaction products are much less so.
BigT, Vinyl chloride is rather inert. It does not react with water or much of anything else. It does (of course) react with itself but that requires a free radical initiator. Regarding the conditions of a spill, its boiling point is 8 deg F, much more volatile than butane (30F) so whatever spills will evaporate immediately - mostly before it even hits the ground - and the surface from which it did evaporate would be very cold. Not the ideal conditions for a chemical reaction of a mostly inert substance.
And what happens when you set it on fire? Are the resulting chemicals created safe? You know, like dioxin.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26185164/
You should read the article. It's not very long. He does address that question to some extent.
He addresses it, but glosses over that it is ALSO part of the risk. And that the NFPA rating is for the chemical in its current form, not in it transformed state. That is, the compounds from burning are NOT 2-4-3.
Also, the 4 fire, 3 stability is a RISKY combination. Focusing on the 2 (health risk for VC) UNDERSELLS the danger.
It also brings into question the decision to 'controlled burn' process in and around it (even if the compound burned wasn't the VC, having fires near it is bad.
It is a sophomoric analysis. Bloom seems to know enough about the subject to spectacularly misunderstand it.
I was a munitions maintenance officer in the USAF. A lot of them shipped with 144, 124, and 224, 234, 244, and I would consider them HIGH risk. They were quite stable, in most respects, but under the right conditions, DETONATE was the point. But overall, the compounds weren’t caustic, allergenic or otherwise very dangerous to health (detonations exempted. :rolleyes: )
And our base fire department agreed. In the event of a fire in the storage area, unless a rescue was required, they'd look up what was in the specific bunker, and almost always, would stop a safe distance away (based on Quantity - Distance formula), and be ready for cleanup.
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The word dioxin appers zero times in the article.
That's because none have been detected:
https://www.acsh.org/news/2023/02/21/vinyl-chloride-and-ohio-train-derailment-16907
Buring chlorinated compounds like vinyl chloride always produces dioxin. It impossible to have not created them in the fire. If they 'were not detected' somebody did it wrong or is not telling the truth.
Well, I'm sure you can convince me you know more about it than the cited source. I'm reading....
That is why I included a link not related to this incident, and from a scientific, not a media source. New articles could be influenced by people’s own bias. Here is another,
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16213572/
A couple of things here. I am a scientist who is debunking the media's hysterical coverage of the chemical. And your reference would be just swell had you picked the right chemical. You did not. The paper was about polyvinylidene chloride, aka, Saran Wrap, not vinyl chloride. Duh.
First rule of reading anything about science in the press is to understand that they are uneducated, incompetent, lazy, biased fools.
Uh, that's not "in the press". Learn to read, or STFU.
Why attack me? I have been on your side on many things. And why for such a pedantic point?
You do yourself no service reacting like this.
BTW, my warning goes to anything you read, even in many scientific journals that have beclowned themselves in recent years (Nature).
There are plenty of routine manufacturing processes that involve the use of some nasty chemical precursors. Vinyl chloride may not be as nasty as some but that was an ignorant thing to write.
Hydrogen Chloride in a water solution is known as hydrochloric acid. Much depends on the concentration, of course, but that is not stuff to fool around with.
Vinyl chloride is a mutagen, a carcinogen, and causes liver toxicity, all potentially from acute exposure. It is nasty stuff. Pretending otherwise is foolishness. That's why they chose to set it on fire.
A mutagen could be a good thing in Appalachian Ohio.
Most of the "scary" media reports I've seen are focusing on the combustion products, not the Vinyl Chloride itself. Would have been nice if the author had linked to some of these reports because I haven't seen them. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but a citation or two would have been nice.
Also, overhyped risk or not, I'm sure the last few weeks have been very pleasant for the people of East Palatine. "Super easy, barely and inconvenience."
Vinyl chloride has a 2 rating—a "moderate" hazard...
When it burns—as it is still doing today—vinyl chloride is known to produce deadly phosgene gas (a WWI chemical weapon) and hydrogen chloride
Odd that the NFPA ratings for phosgene and hydrogen chloride aren't mentioned - 4 and 3.
"...Another concern is that with heat, vinyl chloride can be converted into phosgene, a highly toxic gas, although experiments have shown that this reaction does not occur to a great extent..."
https://www.acsh.org/news/2023/02/21/vinyl-chloride-and-ohio-train-derailment-16907..."
Looks unlikely, and it IS likely that any phosgene would be quickly noticed and reported.
Phosgene, C(O)CL2, is a terrible poison. But it is very reactive, so it would react with many other materials if it were produced. It certainly would not be produced in large amounts and would dissipate rapidly.
"...It is easy to call a chemical a carcinogen, but in the absence of context, dose, and length of exposure, this term means little..."
Unless you make a living chasing ambulances.
I’m sure it’ll eventually be used to ban plastic. Because that’s what government does. Takes every once-a-century minoot accident and turns it into the end of the world to justify MORE Gov-Gun Power.
Heck; Climate Change psychopaths just make-up sh*t all the time.
The 1/2-inch socket set I just bought is going to cause me cancer and then I'm going to die; no joke per CA warning label. Apparently metal sockets cause cancer .... What a F'Joke alarmists have become.
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The pity is that the rational response to junk warning labels is to ignore all warning labels! Once it was considered, though I think not adopted, in CA to put a label on coffee, warning that coffee drinking causes cancer.
The MSM literally cannot print misinformation. (In Sylvester Stallone's voice from Judge Dredd) WE ARE THE INFORMATION!!!
Fear and outrage is all the media has left to work with.
I am sure the residents of E. Palestine don't care about this.....they want to get a big payout from a lawsuit.
…. And move the hell away.
That's what I expect. The railroad will end up buying the entire town and all the residents will get new trailers.
Hey look, the people employed by a trust fund billionaire who inherited a chemical company don't think there's any reason to worry about toxic chemical spills! What a fucking surprise!
Hey, look! Envious idiot spouts nonsense.
'Note sure why the author is cherry picking his information, but amongst other things, the Safety Data Sheet (SDS) for Vinyl Chloride states that this is a confirmed human carcinogen with a Threshold Limit Value (TLV) of 1 ppm. Lots lower than the LD50 numbers he's quoting above.
The SDS also mentions lots of other nasty properties of Vinyl Chloride.
While this article is a good balancing function against so much alarmist coverage, the short section on phosgene could be more detailed. Doomberg covers this well: https://open.substack.com/pub/doomberg/p/railroaded?r=7xes5&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
How refreshing to actually see a bona-fide scientist try and set the record straight vs. loads of non-scientist media reporters who've no idea of how dangerous any particular chemical is, so thanks.
Having said that, Vinyl Chloride, certainly not an extremely deadly chemical, is not exactly safe either. It's a monomer for making, among other things, Poly-Vinyl Chloride or PVC. This type of molecule can easily form a free-radical (as it does when making PVC, the VC moleules react with each other via a free-radical polymerization to form very long chains - the solid innocuous polymer siding so many houses, and piping the shit out of our houses).
This is purposely done with an initiator but these molecules can and do free-radicalize on their own with some probability - hence the "instability" or reactivity rating of 2. this steps the health hazard game up a bit, and I'd hate to drink water containing any small but significant amount of it.
Could have been worse - could have been Acrylonitrile, AN, monomer spilled. This is used to make Nitrile plastics and also goes by the name vinyl cyanide. And yes it's a just a bit lower in danger than hydrogen cyanide - if you can smell AN, it's killing you. FYI, AN smells a bit like isopropanol - but that's another story.
Bloom's employer, the American Council on Science and Health, is widely regarded among occupational health specialists as an industry shill.
Josh Bloom didn't put on his thinking cap before writing this piece or he failed basic high school chemistry. It's not the vinyl chloride that is the issue here.
When you burn a chemical you create a completely different chemical product as a result of combustion. When you burn propane the results are carbon dioxide, water vapor, and a small amount of carbon monoxide. Totally different chemicals.
When you burn vinyl chloride the products are Dioxins and Phosgene gas both deadly. The gas dissipates rapidly, but the dioxins will persist in the soil for 60-100 years or more and is bioaccumulative. In other words it builds up in your body over time much faster than your body can eliminate it. Anything planted in that soil will be poisonous for generations to come.
I'm outraged that the editor published this blatantly fallacious article. Both writer and editor should "pull their heads out."
We're all going to DIE!!! /s
Maybe you ought to take the time to read what you are criticizing:
"When it burns—as it is still doing today—vinyl chloride is known to produce deadly phosgene gas (a WWI chemical weapon) and hydrogen chloride, a highly corrosive irritant. The latter is probably responsible for residents' symptoms and fish deaths, since fish are extremely sensitive to acidic water."
You are also wrong about dioxins being formed. That's why I did not mention them.
Likewise, its cancer risks have also been wildly overstated. It is easy to call a chemical a carcinogen, but in the absence of context, dose, and length of exposure, this term means little.
True but blame the government for that too. Remember cyclamates? You had t drink a case a day for thirty years to have a chance at getting cancer, but the government banned it. It is then the hypocrisy of the government, that sets these regulation for all these chemicals and then downplays them when there is a spill or leak.
So let me get this straight. What coverage I have seen on this topic has often mentioned the failure of government to promptly address this disaster. (I’m sorry, but if you live in that area, it’s clearly a disaster even IF the worst thing about it is that the property values are now zero.) And Reason runs defense for the government’s lackadaisical response by saying that vinyl chloride is really only moderately bad for people and no worse than alcohol? (Don’t worry about phosgene gas or dioxins — mentioning those is just fear-mongering.)
So they’re saying the correct libertarian perspective here is to hold the federal government blameless as well as the state government since Gov. Dewine showed up and drank a glass of water he said was local tap water. The libertarian perspective is that any fallout from this will be mostly imaginary, having been inflamed by lawyers and the mostly right-leaning media sources just looking to discredit Biden and Buttigeg. Umm okay.
Risk is a highly personal thing. We know that people will ignore risk for things they chose to do like smoking cigarette or downhill skiing. Things that people do not chose worry them more and so incidental exposure to the vinyl chloride cause greater concern that the paint striper they are using on an old chair in the basement.
BTW - carcinogens are evaluated by risk, not dose. So, each cigarette you smoke has the same potential to harm you. You can get lung cancer from your first cigarette or your 10, 000th. Many people never get cancer from cigarettes, a few get it very early.
Why is Reason shilling for the American Council on Science and Health. Not exactly an organization known for their libertarian values!
Why isReason.shilling for the American Council on Science and HealthNot exactly an organization known for their libertarian values!Fixed it.
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