Speak Loudly and Carry a Big Bat: Ron DeSantis Is on Deck
Does he want to limit government, or is he just out to win at all costs?

As a 12-year-old in 1991, DeSantis was part of a team from Dunedin, Florida, that qualified for the Little League World Series, the global youth baseball championship event held every summer since 1947 in the hills of Williamsport, Pennsylvania. "We were like local celebrities for a while," he recalled 10 years later for an article published by the Yale Daily News. "We were the lead story in the local newspapers and on the front page of the Tampa area newspapers."
In 1991, the Little League World Series hadn't yet morphed into the two-week-long competition featuring 20 teams and wall-to-wall coverage on ESPN that it is today. Even so, it was newsworthy enough to lead local news coverage back home in Florida and to give young Ronald DeSantis, as he was listed on Dunedin's roster, his first mention in an Associated Press wire report: He pitched five innings and hit a home run as Dunedin won, 23–7, against a team from Saudi Arabia in a consolation game on the tournament's second day. Perhaps DeSantis was thinking back to that blowout victory when, a week after the 2022 midterm elections, a reporter asked the governor to respond to a forgettable barb from former President Donald Trump, and the newly reelected governor responded: "At the end of the day, I would just tell people to go check out the scoreboard from last Tuesday night."
For Republicans across most of the country, DeSantis' victory was a consolation prize for otherwise disappointing GOP results.
But in Florida, DeSantis was a star player on the front pages once again. His coattails carried Republicans to a supermajority in both state legislative chambers. For many in the GOP, his victory seemed to confirm that DeSantis was not just a rising star in the Republican Party but the next MVP.
DeSantis' scoreboard view of politics is a natural fit for a Republican Party that has benched its former interest in any particular set of principles or policies in order to prioritize winning above all else. If winning requires embracing tried and true limited government policies, great. But if winning requires, as it more often seems to these days in conservative circles, wielding the power of the state against your enemies, that seems fine for Republicans too.
But what do they need to win? Polls suggest that many Republicans are looking for, essentially, a relief pitcher—someone who can take over for Trump, the tiring starting pitcher of the MAGA movement—while others believe the starter has another inning in him, at least. If the GOP decides to make a call to the bullpen, DeSantis figures to be first in line.
The qualities that make an effective chief executive and a useful relief pitcher are surprisingly similar. Both get called upon in the middle of ongoing action. Sometimes they have to step in with the bases loaded and the game tied. Other times, their job is to maintain a steady course and protect a comfortable lead. It's a job that requires a cool head, a consistent delivery, and trusting the other guys on the field with you.
That's the argument for DeSantis. More than that, it's also the role that polls suggest many Republican voters are hoping their next presidential nominee will fill—and that has implications in the realms of both politics and policy.
But the governor doesn't seem to be content with the important, but often overlooked, role of reliever. When DeSantis' campaign auctioned off 500 replica baseball cards as a fundraiser for the governor's 2022 reelection effort, the photo on the front was of a college-aged DeSantis holding a bat over his head, arms flexed, waiting on a pitch to smash. DeSantis is "going to bat" for Florida, promised one campaign ad hawking the cards.
For the past few years, he's attempted to rebrand himself as a bombastic power hitter, ready to take a huge swing at whatever pitch the other team throws his way. That's gotten DeSantis more attention from the fans and media—chicks dig the long ball, after all, and so do Republicans—but it has come with a cost.
In politics, unlike baseball, these two positions are not quite so mutually exclusive. But understanding how DeSantis fits into both roles reveals the tension between the competing claims at the center of his prospective candidacy. On one hand, he's a competent conservative who has overseen a successful state through a challenging time—the type of pitcher you can trust when there are runners on base. On the other, he's a brash anti-woke slugger whose authoritarian antics draw more attention, by design, than the results of his big swings.
However conservatives might rationalize away that tension during the coming season, libertarians can at least be heartened by DeSantis' tendency to strike out when he takes a big cut at the Constitution. Indeed, while DeSantis might have come up through the farm system of a limited-government team, he's donned a very different uniform since reaching the big leagues.
Big Leagues, Small Government
In college at Yale, DeSantis captained the baseball team while working on his undergraduate degree, posting a solid .313 batting average during his four years. But instead of pursuing sports, DeSantis went into law—and then politics. He shipped up to Harvard, earned a law degree, served in the Navy Judge Advocate General's Corps, then moved back to Florida to run for Congress.
People have been coming to Florida for decades, and not just to watch spring training. That population boom has translated into more political power—the state has gained at least one seat in Congress following every census since 1930—and in 2012 there were two newly minted districts needing to be filled. With no incumbent to get in the way, DeSantis won a six-way Republican primary, then got 57 percent of the vote in the general election to carry a newly drawn GOP-leaning district that stretched south of Jacksonville along the Atlantic coast, including Daytona Beach and St. Augustine.
DeSantis had made it into the big leagues—and the game was changing.
DeSantis arrived in Congress in much the same way that he now hopes to arrive in the White House: by following the path carved by an unexpected revolution within the Republican Party. Two years before his first congressional campaign, the Tea Party wave had crashed across the midterm elections, carrying dozens of new Republican candidates into elected offices at all levels of government on the promise of shrinking the size and cost of government and restoring constitutional principles.
As he launched his first campaign for elected office, DeSantis eagerly hopped aboard the trend. "The Constitution is the focal point of American political life, providing the federal government its sole source of authority and safeguarding many of the God-given rights that Americans cherish," DeSantis wrote in his 2011 book Dreams From Our Founding Fathers.
The book's title and cover are unsubtle. It was meant as a direct response to Barack Obama's own memoir, Dreams from My Father, and it alternated between being a love letter to the Framers and a condemnation of what DeSantis saw as then-President Obama's betrayal of their principles.
"The reaction against the policies of Obama and his congressional allies by a large number of Americans has been motivated by their sense that the transformational change instituted in the nation's capital betrayed" the principles and values outlined in the Constitution, DeSantis wrote, "by their fear that the Republic was being unmoored from her limited government roots."
As a work of political writing, Dreams From Our Founding Fathers is clichéd and unmemorable. Today, nearly a decade since the Tea Party wave petered out and after the GOP traded talk of first principles for America First, it almost reads like a spoof of that bygone period in conservative politics.
But the book is notable as a point of reference in DeSantis' career arc. He entered Congress as a firebrand for limited government and constitutional principles—and mostly lived up to that billing.
Shortly after taking office in 2013, he voted against providing federal funds to states and localities hit by Hurricane Sandy—something that's not easy for a lawmaker from Florida to do—and pointedly criticized Congress' "put it on the credit card mentality" that had driven the national debt to the now-quaint figure of $17 trillion.
He was a supporter of Wisconsin Republican Rep. Paul Ryan's proposal to balance the federal budget by 2030. He was one of the founding members of the originally libertarian-ish House Freedom Caucus and was involved in the faction's efforts to unseat House Speaker John Boehner in favor of Ryan in 2015. He supported the near-miss 2017 "Repeal and Replace" effort that would have undone large portions of Obama's signature accomplishment, the Affordable Care Act. (And, in two appearances at the annual congressional baseball game, DeSantis posted a .333 batting average.)
DeSantis was, in short, a consummate small-government Republican congressman during the times when it was in vogue to be a small-government Republican. But he also seemed to have a sense that a curveball was coming.
When Boehner complained that Freedom Caucus members were acting out against the Republican establishment because it was helping them raise money for future campaigns, DeSantis told National Review that Boehner was getting it backward. "I don't think that they would be able to generate outrage or generate dissatisfaction where none existed," he said. "I think they're tapping into an existing dissatisfaction with Republican leadership and with Washington, D.C., more generally."
That dissatisfaction with Republican leadership culminated, a year later, with Republican voters choosing a political neophyte and former reality television star as their nominee for the presidency. With Trump's endorsement, DeSantis narrowly won the 2018 gubernatorial election in Florida. In his victory speech that night, DeSantis was still playing the role of a small government conservative—he quoted Lincoln, talked up how Florida's low tax rates translate into higher revenue by attracting investment, and credited outgoing Republican Gov. Rick Scott with having put the state on the right path, one that DeSantis would aim to follow.
He was, in short, promising to be an effective relief pitcher—a steady hand, taking over in the midst of a game.
Put Me In, Coach
As he gears up for a run at the GOP presidential nomination, that's still what DeSantis is implicitly promising—except now he's making the case that he should step in for Trump. Republican voters seem open to the possibility.
A December poll by Suffolk University and USA Today found that just 31 percent of Republicans want Trump to run again—but an overwhelming 61 percent say they want the next GOP president to continue Trump's policies. That's both a remarkable accomplishment for an administration that might have been the least policy-focused in American history and a serious blow to anyone who hopes the GOP will fully discard Trumpist populism in the near future. As David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center, said, "Republicans and conservative independents increasingly want Trumpism without Trump."
This early, polls reveal little or nothing about the likely outcome of the race. At this stage of the 2016 cycle, Trump was not considered a favorite, and former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie at one time looked a lot like DeSantis does now. But polls can offer some insight into the shape of the electorate as the GOP tries to reassemble itself after the internal civil war that was the Trump presidency and the disappointments of the 2022 midterms.
"We are in an entirely different world than in 2016, when Trump was new, when he had the initiative, when he caught the rest of the party flat-footed," says Patrick Ruffini, a longtime Republican pollster, a political adviser, and the co-founder of Echelon Insights, a Washington, D.C., polling firm. Echelon's polling suggests that the GOP is divided into three overlapping camps, like a Venn diagram. Roughly a third of Republicans remain die-hard Trump supporters, while another 25 percent have always been hostile to the former president and now want him to go away. The remaining 40 percent are in the overlapping part: supportive of Trump but willing to look at alternatives.
DeSantis' goal, as Ruffini sees it, is to persuade that middle group that "he'll be all the things they like about Trump—taking no prisoners against the radical left—without the infighting, craziness, or drama."
Ruffini says the 2022 midterms might have been an inflection point because so many Trump-backed candidates lost or underperformed. In Echelon's monthly tracking polls, Trump held a 33-point lead over DeSantis as recently as October. By December, the two were in a virtual dead heat. "The key difference now is that Trump's aura of 'winning' really has been seriously damaged," says Ruffini.
Politically, then, the argument for picking DeSantis is pretty clear. As he said in December: Check the scoreboard.
In pitching terms, Trump was a crowd-favorite starter who had the unfortunate tendency to throw wild pitches, as in his dangerous mishandling of the aftermath of the 2020 election. So it's easy to see why 65 percent of Republicans would like to see a reliever warming up in the bullpen, even as Trump insists he can play another inning.
But deciding that you need a relief pitcher and deciding which one to bring into the game are two different things. Indeed, the second question might be even more important than the first.
To that 65 percent slice of the GOP, DeSantis can hold up a record that any good relief pitcher would like to have: one that shows he's effective even when he's called into a crisis.
Catching COVID
"We're not closing anything going forward," DeSantis announced on September 25, 2020, about six months after the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic triggered shutdowns of vast swaths of normal American life.
DeSantis' initial handling of the pandemic reflected the uncertainties of the times. He'd pitched carefully, but deliberately: first refusing to issue a statewide lockdown even as he ordered bars, restaurants, and nightclubs to close, then reversing course on April 1 and ordering all Floridians to stay home for 30 days. The reopening came in fits and starts, with a new round of restrictions on business activity issued in June—including, as in many other states, a ban on serving alcohol in bars, even though bars were allowed to be open to half capacity.
By mid-summer, however, DeSantis made clear that he was not willing to go back to full lockdown, despite ongoing infections and deaths. It wasn't "people going to a business" that was driving infections, he told reporters in June. By September, with the summer wave passing, DeSantis was focused on reopening the economy and the state's schools. No longer would the state government leave people "twisting in the wind," as DeSantis put it. Anyone who wanted to get back to work could do so. While private businesses would be allowed to reduce capacity or mandate mask wearing, DeSantis' order issued that same day banned local governments from issuing such requirements.
And, true to his word, nothing was closed going forward, even as other states returned to semi-lockdowns the following winter and school closures persisted elsewhere for months to come.
More than two years later, it's easy to forget how bold that decision was—and how much DeSantis was attacked for it. Orlando Weekly ran a graphic depicting DeSantis using a coffin-shaped surfboard to ride a wave of skulls.
DeSantis' COVID policies were seemingly informed by the lingering elements of his pre-Trump identity—including a focus on personal responsibility as the primary defense against the pandemic.
"The masks, we've basically said from the beginning, if you can't social distance or if you're in a face-to-face, then the masks are recommended. But you don't need to be wearing it if you're going for a jog or you're on the beach and so some of this stuff can get out of hand. I want to be more reasonable about it," DeSantis told Florida Politics in June 2020, as he laid out a multistep plan for reopening the state's economy.
But it's not just his handling of COVID that makes DeSantis look like a reliable reliever for national Republicans aiming to move on from the Trump years. In less stressful situations, he's also shown an ability to keep throwing strikes.
School choice, an issue made even more important by the pandemic, has expanded in Florida under his watch. Families of four earning up to about $99,000 annually are now eligible for a private school scholarship program that he signed into law in 2021.
On the nuts-and-bolts of budgeting, too, DeSantis is a better-than-replacement-level governor. In stump speeches, DeSantis brags about the fact that Florida has roughly the same population as the state of New York, but has a state budget of only about half the size. He scored a "C" on the Cato Institute's biannual gubernatorial scorecard this year, though his average score is mostly a reflection of what he didn't do—no broad-based tax or spending cuts—than what he has done. He's maintained Florida's status as one of the lowest tax states in the country, and, as DeSantis loves pointing out, people keep flooding into the state.
But DeSantis, for whatever reason, seems to be unhappy playing the role of a relief pitcher. And as is often the case when a pitcher steps into the batter's box, the results have been ugly.

Speak Loudly and Carry a Big Bat
In the innings after COVID, DeSantis has staked his national reputation on taking big swings in the culture war. "We fight the woke in the legislature," DeSantis promised in his election night victory speech in November, which was worlds away from his restrained, conservative speech in 2018."We fight the woke in the schools. We fight the woke in the corporations," he said. "We will never, ever surrender to the woke mob. Florida is where woke goes to die."
The term woke gained traction in the early 2000s on the political left as a way to describe someone who was aware of the ways that racism can be both subtle and systemic. But woke increasingly seems to mean different things depending on who is using the term. For those on the left, it is used to signal an appreciation for progressive ideals that extend beyond or intersect with racial issues. When DeSantis and other Republicans use it, it's a convenient catch-all for anything conservatives currently dislike.
DeSantis has applied the label to everything from the NCAA to Ben and Jerry's ice cream—the former for threatening to withhold championship events from states with laws discriminating against trans athletes, the latter for a statement issued by the company's founders condemning Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories. Some math books are "woke," according to DeSantis, if they contain word problems that inject racial perspectives. Then–State Attorney Andrew Warren was accused of being woke after DeSantis suspended him for saying he would refuse to enforce the state's abortion law. As part of a lawsuit subsequently filed by Warren against the state, several of DeSantis' aides were reportedly asked to define the word, but that doesn't seem to have narrowed things down.
DeSantis' war on woke included asking the state's GOP-controlled legislature in December 2021 to pass the Stop the Wrongs to Our Kids and Employees—or Stop WOKE—Act, which limited discussions of sexual orientation and gender identity in public schools and universities.
The STOP Woke Act drew harsh condemnation from free speech advocates. The law is "stuffed to the gills with vague language that leaves professors unsure which lessons are government-approved" and "constrains the ability of professors to play devil's advocate and forbids them from 'advancing' viewpoints, even just for the sake of Socratic discussion," according to the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, which filed a First Amendment lawsuit against it.
In November, Judge Mark Walker of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Florida called the law "positively dystopian" and issued a temporary injunction against the parts of the law that limit discussion of racial issues in college and university settings. Courts are still reviewing the constitutional merits of the law.
But one culture war soon begat another. When then–Walt Disney Company CEO Bob Chapek publicly criticized DeSantis over the passage of a bill banning discussions of gender and sexuality in grade school classrooms, the governor responded by asking state lawmakers to pass another bill, this time revoking Disney's special tax status and its authority to operate a quasi-government that covers more than 25,000 acres of Floridian swampland-turned-resort.
DeSantis left no doubt that he was simply taking a swing at a private company because its CEO exercised his First Amendment rights. "You're a corporation based in Burbank, California, and you're going to marshal your economic might to attack the parents of my state," DeSantis said when he signed the bill in April. "We view that as a provocation, and we're going to fight back against that." For good measure, he also called Disney woke.
The two-page bill did not seriously grapple with the consequences of abolishing the Reedy Creek Improvement District, which was granted to Disney as a pseudo-governmental entity in the 1960s. Disney is solely responsible for everything from water and fire services to building inspections within the zone. Far from being a special privilege granted to an out-of-state corporation, the existence of Reedy Creek frees local taxpayers in Orange and Osceola counties from having to foot the bill for Disney World's basic services to supply its 77,000-employee work force and millions of annual visitors.
The legislation abolishing the district also ignored the bondholders who had bought shares of Reedy Creek's debt over the years. "Florida simply cannot promise to prospective bondholders that it won't interfere with Reedy Creek, and then dissolve Reedy Creek. If Reedy Creek is ever dissolved, it would be a monumental and complicated enterprise even on a years-long timeline," Jacob Schumer, a Florida-based attorney, wrote for Bloomberg shortly after the law was signed.
Sure enough, the state already seems to be backing down. State Rep. Randy Fine (R–Palm Bay), the lawmaker who originally drafted the bill to strip Disney's self-rule power, told the Tampa Bay Times in December that the announced departure of Chapek as Disney's CEO makes it likely that lawmakers will pass a new bill making "a few modifications" to the Reedy Creek district instead.
DeSantis may have viewed Disney's CEO expressing an opinion as a "provocation," but in the end this is a story about a state government exerting significant pressure on a private company to change its CEO—and threatening to put Florida's own taxpayers on the hook for huge expenses if the company refuses to comply.
That's hardly the only such incident. With the help of a GOP-controlled state legislature, DeSantis has ordered social media companies to change how they moderate the accounts of prominent elected officials—prompted, seemingly, by Twitter's decision to ban Trump on January 6, 2021. He's used federal COVID relief funds to fly migrants from Texas to Massachusetts, threatened to jail some Floridians for voter fraud despite the fact that they'd voted legally, and ordered the state's Department of Business and Professional Regulation to investigate holiday-themed drag shows.
Each prodigious swat is followed by the political equivalent of a gleeful bat-flip—a did-you-see-what-I just-did victory lap on social media and within the right-wing media sphere.
Those cheering for each of DeSantis' culture war swings are being clear about why they like him: not because he's following in Trump's footsteps, but because he's pushing beyond anything the 45th president did.
"DeSantis's combativeness on hot-button social issues reflects Mr. Trump's influence, but he's gone even further and used government power as an instrument in the culture war—something Mr. Trump talked about but never really did," wrote Rich Lowry, editor in chief of National Review, in a New York Times op-ed in May. "If any of Mr. DeSantis's Republican admirers are hoping he will chart a path back to the pre-2016 party, they'll probably be disappointed."
Conservatives taken in by DeSantis' culture warring might want to see where the ball lands before they start celebrating the governor's home runs, however.
Take that social media law, for example—the Stop Social Media Censorship Act, which, among other things, required sites like Twitter and Facebook to host speech from elected officials and "journalistic enterprises," even if those officials and journalists violated the sites' terms of service. When he signed the bill in May 2021, DeSantis framed the bill as a pro–free speech measure and said the law would offer Floridians "guaranteed protection against the Silicon Valley elites."
That's a catchy sound bite, but it's far from stable legal ground in a country where the First Amendment still exists. When attorneys for the state had to go before a federal judge to defend against a lawsuit seeking to block the law's implementation, they struggled to articulate how it could pass constitutional muster. At one point, Northern District of Florida Judge Robert Hinkle asked the state's attorneys if they had "ever dealt with a statute that is more poorly drafted." He later granted the injunction, blocking the law's implementation. In May 2022, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit upheld that decision, ruling that the law was "substantially likely" to be a violation of social media platforms' free speech rights. The law remains unenforced.
In his eagerness to swing at anything resembling wokeness, DeSantis is also undermining his record on COVID.
During the past year, DeSantis has turned away from his earlier pandemic strategy based on personal responsibility and instead embraced the exact logic once held by public health officials who favored lockdowns: Government knows best.
In November 2021, DeSantis signed a bill banning private companies in Florida from requiring that their employees get vaccinated against COVID-19 as a condition of employment. "Nobody should lose their job due to heavy-handed COVID mandates and we had a responsibility to protect the livelihoods of the people of Florida," DeSantis said in a statement announcing his support for the bill. The governor's office called it "the strongest pro-freedom, anti-mandate action taken by any state in the nation."
But no matter how DeSantis describes it, the bill banning businesses from imposing vaccine mandates is still a government intrusion into the private interactions between workers and their employers. An anti-mandate mandate is still a mandate.
The vaccine mandate bill was antithetical to the individual-choice approach DeSantis had taken throughout the first 18 months of the pandemic. It also seems to have helped steer the governor further into the right-wing fever swamps of vaccine conspiracy theories.
It was a rather stunning about-face for DeSantis, who had been an unabashed advocate for the COVID-19 vaccines since even before they were available. He flew to D.C. to participate in one of Trump's "Operation Warp Speed" media events in December 2020, during which he outlined plans for Florida's vaccine distribution efforts. He made an appearance on Fox News in February 2021 from the home of a 94-year-old military veteran, who got his shot live on-air as DeSantis talked up how the state government was arranging house calls for elderly residents.
In July 2021, just a few months before banning private vaccine mandates, he was still talking about the shot as a matter of personal responsibility. "If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero," he said at a press conference in St. Petersburg. "Seventy-five percent of Floridians over the age of 50 have gotten shots, so we think that's really, really positive."
In December 2022, however, DeSantis announced a new state initiative to investigate what he says are the lies told by vaccine producers and promoters. He promised the effort would "come with legal processes that will be able to get more information and to bring legal accountability for those who committed misconduct."
What to make of this sudden turn? Perhaps DeSantis noticed that Trump got booed at one of his own rallies after announcing that he'd received a booster.
Trump has continued to boast of the vaccines quickly developed as part of the "Operation Warp Speed" that his administration launched at the outset of the pandemic. He called DeSantis "gutless" for refusing to talk about his vaccine status.
At the very least, there's a clear contradiction in DeSantis' approach to the final stage of the pandemic: Was he misleading constituents when he promoted the jab, or is he doing that now by holding the opposite view? Or perhaps DeSantis' newfound vaccine skepticism is just pure political cynicism.
A Swing and a Miss
Vaccine antics aside, possibly the best illustration of the contradiction at the center of DeSantis' politics comes from two scripted remarks that the governor made just moments apart in September.
In the middle of his keynote address at the National Conservatism Conference in Miami, DeSantis bragged about how Florida's businesses and tax coffers were benefitting from the influx of people fleeing places like New York and California during the pandemic. The state ran a $22 billion surplus last year, something DeSantis chalked up to booming population growth, a growing labor force, and record-high tourism totals.
In short, more people moving to Florida to seek freedom and a better way of life is great news for the state.
Not five minutes later, DeSantis bemoaned the influx of immigrants into the United States—and not just those who circumvent the law to get here. "Mass immigration, whether illegal immigration or whether it's just mass immigration through the legal process," he said. "That is not conducive to assimilating people into American society." The crowd cheered.
More people moving into the United States to seek freedom and a better way of life, apparently, is bad news.
Immigration has been Florida's secret weapon for much of its history—more people translates into greater economic and political power. DeSantis knows this, of course. He benefited from the creation of a new congressional district in the Sunshine State a decade ago, and now from the economic surplus of the immigration boom.
But he can't, or won't, apply those lessons to the nation as a whole. Worse, he seems to think it's acceptable to use immigrants as pawns in his own political game.
In September, DeSantis used state emergency relief funds to fly dozens of migrants from San Antonio, Texas, to Martha's Vineyard—the well-heeled and famously liberal Massachusetts island where Obama now owns a home. A state inspector general is probing whether DeSantis improperly used federal COVID relief funds to pay for the flights.
DeSantis' defense is that the line item for the fiasco was actually included in the state budget, which means the legislature shares the blame. But even if the money was spent legally, the incident is telling. DeSantis hasn't merely tried to layer his culture-war-slugger persona atop his existing persona; the two are often in direct opposition. State taxpayers are on the hook for more than $17 million in costs associated with lawsuits stemming from DeSantis' culture war policies, the Miami Herald reported in December.
And DeSantis' decision to elevate the culture war in an attempt to outflank Trump to the right might be politically questionable as well. There are a lot more people in the other parts of the GOP's Venn diagram.
David Boaz, vice president of the Cato Institute and a longtime observer of the intersection between conservative and libertarian politics, says the best-case scenario for a DeSantis presidency is that he backs off the nonstop culture war and "realizes that the nation is not Florida."
There are reasons to be optimistic—and spring training, after all, is a time for optimism. In a future where DeSantis is president, the 2024 election ends with Trump either losing or withdrawing. Maybe that's enough to break Trump's hold on the party, and maybe a freed DeSantis even rediscovers an earlier version of himself, evolving again into a small-government conservative. If not, maybe he at least appoints some good judges and governs as a mostly middle-of-the-road Republican.
But Boaz isn't betting on that possibility. "His feud with Disney suggests that he has Trump's instinct to use government power to hurt his critics, and his new anti-vaccine campaign is right out of the MAGA playbook," Boaz says.
Boaz worries that DeSantis will be more like an American version of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, a pugnacious social conservative and favorite among American right-wing nationalists. In this outcome, Boaz says, DeSantis would turn out to be "a smart and disciplined politician using the power of the presidency and a slim popular majority to attack alternative power centers—Congress, the judiciary, business, media, universities—and implement nationalist and populist policies that would make us less prosperous and less free."
Perhaps the best defense against that possibility is another contradiction at the center of DeSantis' recent transformation. The idea that he's a more competent version of Trump is undercut by the results of his most high-profile culture war policies, which, like Florida's social media law, have been blocked by the courts or walked back. If this is what using state power to fight the culture war looks like, it's not accomplishing much—except raising the political profile of the guy doing it.
But DeSantis is committed to the bit. "We will never surrender to the woke mob," the governor declared in his second inaugural address on January 8. He used the occasion to confirm that private businesses are not to be exempt from the conflict. "Fighting for freedom is not easy because the threats to freedom are more complex and more widespread than in the past," DeSantis said. "The threats can come from entrenched bureaucrats in D.C., jet-setters in Davos, and corporations wielding public power."
"But fight we must," he concluded.
Yogi Berra, the New York Yankees' longtime catcher, once supposedly quipped to a reporter: "Baseball is 90 percent mental. The other half is physical." You might be able to say nearly the same thing about contemporary conservative politics, where the culture war has taken on an outsized level of importance relative to actual policy making—and where the math and logic increasingly don't seem to matter.
The closer you look at DeSantis' record as a culture warrior, the less he seems like the fearsome power hitter many conservatives want to believe him to be. Sure, he takes big swings, flips the bats, hams it up for the TV cameras, and trots around the bases. But that increasingly looks like it's in the hope that no one will notice how often he's striking out.
There are plenty of strikeout-prone power hitters on the Republican bench at the moment. But there are few, if any, rock-solid relief pitchers: experienced players who can manage a tricky situation, calm nerves, and protect a lead. DeSantis has proven he's effective in that role, even if he now seems unwilling to keep playing it. That would be a shame. Winning, after all, requires both effective offense and a pitcher who can keep the other team off the scoreboard.
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Nothing to see here. Just another hit piece on Ron Desantis; the first--but not last--one of the week.
Despite the high word-count and the grasping at wisps of smoke, it fails.
https://reason.com/2022/09/27/for-florida-gov-ron-desantis-political-stunts-are-more-important-than-substance/ and https://reason.com/2022/09/21/are-ron-desantis-migrant-flights-legal/
Ass POTUS, DeSatan will be forcing USA taxpayers to trick and ferry billions upon brazilians of sub-Brazilians from Brazil to Botswana, and to deport illegal sub-Martians from Mars to Uranus! Ass long ass the illegal Martians SUFFER- SUFFER- SUFFER, red-meat-hungry socons and troglodytes will be DELIGHTED to spend those extra tax dollars! Butt I for one think that illegal Martians are intelligent beings, too, and hope that they will NOT suffer on Uranus, from too many foul odors, etc.!
Pick a section and pull it apart. Most readers view the comments section after reading an article, finding individual arguements torn apart wont change minds, but will change people’s willingness to voice their own opinions. Which does sway undecided people.
Anybody who reads Reason articles looking for an opinion to follow isn't persuadable.
They're just a leftist, status quo loyal narcissist looking for "non partisan" validation.
dont understand what you're trying to say
... the exact reason i go to the comments section is to get the back and forth and deconstruction of the article.
and it does sway my own opinion .... back and forth sometimes.
I believe her point is that criticism that has some content beyond "this is stupid" will be more likely to persuade people to rethink something.
"...wont change minds, but will change people’s willingness to voice their own opinions."
This is a big part of what DeSantis has accomplished. He has been at the vanguard. By simply refusing to be cowed and fighting back, he has provided safe space for people to begin speaking up and voicing opposition.
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He inspires others to hit back against the democrats. Peole have forgotten when filthy hippies cowed in fear when they got the beatdowns they deserved for pushing their stupid, destructive ideas. What we have now is the result of the unfettered ideas of dirty hippies.
So, shooting the Vietnam War protestors at Kent State was good because it cowed the dirty hippies? Which dirty hippies are you talking about? Hippies is a 1960s/1970s word.
They used to make you avow that you were never part of the commie party or supported it as part of your citizenship application.
we need to bring that back for sure.
No, there are still plenty of dirty hippies around. And hippies are weak. Look how Kyle Rittenhouse (an American hero) defended himself from an entire mob full of them. Many of who, were armed. So it typically unnecessary to use lethal force to slap them down. Truncheons are incredibly effective. Just look at how they were out to good use historically by Pinkertons.
The same can be done now. If antifa and other domestic terror hippie groups are met with brutal force in response to their activities, hey will quickly lose numbers. These are people who probably never won a 1v1 fight in their life. Or simply ran away. So it shouldn’t take long to put them in their place.
The shooting at my school cowed no one. In fact it was/is the gift that keeps on giving --- to the Left. As illustrated here.
What we have now is the result of the unfettered ideas of dirty hippies.
there is no disputing this
Pick a section and pull it apart? OK.
Yeah, that didn't age well. The state didn't back down. The District was dissolved AND the Disney CEO lost his job.
Why would a libertarian (I presume one would be a libertarian to be hanging out at a libertarian website) be so sensitive to a "hit piece" on Ron DeSantis?
Are we fans of Ron DeSantis around here? Isn't he a member of one of the two big, non-libertarian parties?
He handled covid better than most governors by a long shot. That should be enough to at least give him some credit for anyone who cares about human freedom. Pandemic policies have been the biggest assault on human freedom of my lifetime and it's idiotic that any libertarian isn't banging that drum constantly.
Yet you need to be convinced to change your mind?
This is the insanity I'm talking about.
DeSantis' handling of the pandemic was catastrophic. During the Delta wave Florida's mortality was the worst in the country. https://politicsofthelastage.blogspot.com/2022/12/update-on-covid19-mask-and-vaccine.html
interesting that you think a governor needs to 'handle' a pandemic. The most I expect is to provide information; perhaps mobilize the national guard, but that's about it.
DeSantis has a solid track record of being among the most libertarian governors in the US. Maybe the tallest midget, but much taller than the ants who crawl at his feet.
"Mass immigration, whether illegal immigration or whether it's just mass immigration through the legal process," he said. "That is not conducive to assimilating people into American society."
TRUE as rain. Key word is "Mass". Large groups do not assimilate well; they balkanize like the neighborhoods in Cleveland and Chicago and other cities in the 20's and 30's that were only homogenized by their participation in WW2.
You hang around here claiming to be a libertarian. You’re a fan of Biden. Isn’t he a member of one of the two big, non libertarian parties?
I imagine there are plenty of libertarians here, but not many Libertarians. A Libertarian wants the party to win and implement libertarian ideals. A libertarian just wants the ideals, doesn't care where they come from.
Oh that's right. Libertarians cannot like any politician that is part of the 2 major parties. What a stupid comment!
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DeSatan loves me, This I know,
For DeSatan tells me so,
Little ones to GAWD belong,
We are weak, but GAWD is strong!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
DeSatan loves me, yes indeed,
Makes the illegal sub-humans bleed,
Protects me for geeks and freaks,
I LOVE to pay taxes, till my wallet squeaks!
PUNISH Disney, I’ll PAY for their pains,
Ass long ass DeSatan Blesses our gains!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
DeSatan expels the low-lifes to Venus,
Moves them ANYWHERE, with His Penis!
His Penis throbs with His Righteousness,
Take no heed, He says, of His Frighteousness!
ALL must be PUNISHED, they say!
So never, EVER be or say gay!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
Our USA taxes must PAY The Way, He may say,
To EXPORT the illegal Mars aliens, every day!
To Pluto, Jupiter, or Uranus, they must ALL go!
Oh, the places that the low-lifes will go, you must know!
The taxes we shall pay? Through the money, we must BLOW!
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DeSatan tells me so!
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"His Penis throbs with His Righteousness,
Take no heed, He says, of His Frighteousness!"
Oh, now, c'mon, this is just the most lazy rhyming structure imaginable.
I have a PhD in Poetic Rhythm (with Honors)--from Berkeley, no less--and in my expert opinion this poem blows, and as a fan of penile-related meter it's doubly distressing.
It sucks, with big balls, and with extra vinegar.
Thanks for your critique, Mr. Poetry!
Where's YOUR entry to the DeSatan-Slamming Poetry Slam-Jam-Fest?
Here's my entry #2!
DeSatan tis of Thee,
Sweet Man of tyranny!
From every mountainside,
You can smell Him for free!
DeLand where de eagles glide!
DeLand where de illegals hide!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I sing,
To the liberals, tears You bring!
You make the proggies cry!
Talk with THEM?! Don’t even try!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I praise!
For the woke, Holy Hell You raise!
Illegal Martians? Low-life scum, You catch and send,
To Uranus with them! Ignore tax dollars You spend!
We must punish ALL, who to USA might sail,
At ALL costs, DeSatanism MUST prevail!
#MeInTheAss’CauseI’maGullibleLowBrowBlowHardConTard
#BeenTrumpledUnderfootForFarTooLong
“The vaccine mandate bill was antithetical to the individual-choice approach DeSantis had taken throughout the first 18 months of the pandemic.”
Now do your analysis, but take into account that the federal government was threatening illegal fines to any company that did any work with them and didn’t implement a vaccine requirement. Make sure to take into account that many companies who had not previously required vaccines beforehand explicitly required them after due to these illegal threats.
When the federal government is violating millions of peoples rights, an anti-collaboration law needs to be reviewed in that light. Maybe you’ll still see it as the wrong choice, but it is far from clear cut.
Also, if this is too hard for you to wrap your head around, substitute in sanctuary cities, for a very similar situation.
But remember. Pushing laws to elevate individual choice above corporations implementing the dictats of federal agencies, you are just as bad as stalin. See reason articles regarding cruise ships porting in Florida.
The problem with the bill was that it didn't stop at mere correction. It went for overreach in the other direction, banning private companies from setting their own policies.
It wasn't the last time DeSantis went for overreach rather than limiting himself to correction.
I would prefer if employment conditions were just between employer and employee. But we live in a world where that relationship is heavily regulated. The alternative to the Florida law wasn't freedom of association for employment. Remember how OSHA was trying to force companies to make their employees get vaccinated? I don't think the Biden admin ever accepted defeat on that one.
Okay see, that's a fair criticism.
Only problem is how do you what you propose in the real world? Fed says they'll fine you out of existence if you don't do what they say. State can't tell the fed to fuck off and stop pressuring companies, or they can but it will have no real world effect greater than twiddling your thumbs.
So how do you protect the rights of millions from federal overreach, without banning companies from being complicit in said overreach?
"Hey, it's not our fault. The Feds are telling us we have to use branding irons on our employees. Besides, it's good for our brand to brand employees. We all got together and decided it's best for everyone."
The "market" does not have a short-term solution to this.
Apparently, that was just a business decision.
But yeah, seriously, it does need to be viewed in that light.
Like, I'm all for academic freedom so the stuff Rufo's doing does, on the surface, bother me. But when you dig down a bit you see that what he's doing is working to remove an ideology/philosophy *that has already killed academic freedom*. He's using the power of the state to pull a weed. Its dangerous, yes, but the whole garden is nothing but weeds choking out the freedom so . . .
Oh dear. This DeSantis guy is just awful.
If he gets the nomination it looks like Boehm will once again have to vote strategically and reluctantly for Biden.
#LibertariansForBiden
#CheapLaborAboveAll
DeSantis is Reagan. Never has a moment cried out more for a man. He’s not the hero we deserve, he’s the hero we need. Cliche Cliche.
Fvck simping for your lefty boos, this shit is actually important, and if we don’t get DeSantis in ‘24, the country may never recover
Reagan was shit.
Massive mandate with two landslide elections.
And all he did with it is grant illegals amnesty.
Well, he did win the Cold War...
But that is such a minor, unimportant accomplishment......
“Apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health ... what have the Romans ever done for us? Brought peace!”
The USSR wouldn't have collapsed on its own?
That's a problematic perspective for the philosophy most often talked here.
How did he win the Cild War?
Extreme amounts of government spending.
Reagan was a great talker. Showed good leadership. But yall blame Trump for not draining the swamp, with its full force 150% turned against him, and spending too much money... yet praise Reagan?
Lincoln won the Civil War- do we need another Lincoln now?
FDR won world War 2- how about another FDR then?
I like Reagan personally from the clips I've seen and read of him. But the fact remains that he won 2 elections by 90% and made 0 structural reforms to improve or reign in the government.
What am I missing here?
Actually, without the persistant pushback by the US - and especially Reagan's simultaneous ramping up of military engagement and cultural engagement - the USSR might still be around. Poor and miserable and lashing out at everyone but still in place.
The Zombified CCCP is being resurrected as we speak by Putin. Without the triumvirate of freedom: Thatcher, John Paul 2, and Ronald Reagan, E Europe would still be commie.
Europe still is commie, they just don't like the commies in Russia.
Putin might take another shot at Russia taking over the SCTV satellite and putting CCCP-1 back in our dial. If they do, I wouldn’t mind seeing new episodes of ‘Hey, Giorgi!’ and ‘What Fits Into Russia?’.
I was led to believe Sylvester Stallone and Alec Baldwin won the Cold War.
Baldwin was a KGB sleeper.
1980 Reagan? Or 1987 Reagan?
Probably the before he was shot Reagan.
The only scenario where Boehm doesn’t vote for Biden, is if Biden isn’t the democrat candidate in 2024. In which case he will strategically vote for (enter name of democrat nominee here).
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
People who don't give a shit about liberty (or are actively opposed to it) obviously wouldn't be receptive to this message. That would include Reason writers (along with all the "mainstream" media).
unfortunately I have to agree ... and that may even be a majority of US citizens right now
Members of the MSM work actively on a daily basis to destroy liberty. They support people like Hillary Clinton, who said in 2016 that there was too much priority put on individual rights.
I'll support whoever will execute Boehm and his friends en masse.
say, in a wood chipper?
we all know where that will get you....
https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1632536897665810435?t=9XynBACyUmwGQdaC5q8Wjw&s=19
Exxon found nooses found at a Louisiana Refinery. The Biden administration is now suing the oil company.
[Link]
Ive seen this article from 4 different outlets and not a single picture of any so called “nooses”.
Are we at ‘anonymous sources’ level hate crimes? Someone somewhere imagined a hate crime happened, and thats enough for a law suit and full on panic?
I wonder if they took time to think for 5 seconds “what might rope potentially be used for on an oil rig, and could it have ANY other function” and remember back to certain garage pulldowns that made Bubba Wallace a household name.
These people would be embarrassed if they had an ounce of shame or self reflection in them
"Are we at ‘anonymous sources’ level hate crimes? Someone somewhere imagined a hate crime happened, and thats enough for a law suit and full on panic?"
We've been there for years.
ExxonMobil investigated each claim. They found no instigator or intent of racial harm. Biden demands a white scalp.
They are so thirsty for 1800's old school racism that they will believe literally any race hoax, no matter how implausible, because the demand/supply ratio at this point is approaching infinity.
https://twitter.com/SnowMed34/status/1632724142746132482?t=8q0mTRJev56HdqoVdKbIig&s=19
This is why the Yellowstone posting was so funny. It’s not just that they hamfist this stuff into shows now, but also how its a boomer “tough guy” actor like it’s some big swerve on the viewers. It really is Lib p0rñ.
TV: white red necks hanging out in a parking lot harassing everyone going about their business.
Real life: Black teenagers in ski masks harassing people on the street asking for money and filming while they assault people for fun.
Never once in my life have I seen a group a white guys hanging out in a parking lot harassing people while flying n@zi or confederate flags from their pickup truck. That just simply doesn’t happen IRL. It’s a fantasy Libs have.
This is why Libs always freak out when a video of a white person arguing with a black person gets posted. It’s the closest thing they can find to overt racism (even if it’s just a normal argument). Their so desperate for overt racism but it really doesn’t exist anymore
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The demand for racism is creating the fake supply. 5 blacks kill a black - racism. Math - racist. Western Civ - racist. The Founding Fathers - racist.
There are many more racist incidents that are later found to be hoaxes perpetrated by activist POCs than there are legitimate incidents of racially motivated crimes committed by whites.
Like with Jussie Smollett or Covington.
Hey now! Chicago is filled with white rednecks that rove the streets in -10 degree Fahrenheit temperatures at 2 AM looking for actors from predominantly black network tv show (which all rednecks watch and take notes, in case they run into these cast members in the dead of night) to assault.
Biden was rambling incoherently about blacks getting lynched recently. Even though the last recorded lunching was 42 years ago.
Democrats are such desperate, lying assholes. The party no longer has a right to exist. 200 years of their bullshit is more than enough.
Why are national news consumers forced to hear about an imaginary racial slur at a volleyball game?
Why?
We do all recognize that the DNC and their operatives have been in full agitprop mode since shortly after Obama got elected, right?
They desperately need a racist society so they can retain power. Latin Americans are much more conservative than Democrats. Black Americans are way, way more conservative as a group. And both, specifically on cultural issues. Removing the race war boogy-man allows them to leave the plantation.
So we got the beer summit. And Ferguson. And everything that has happened since.
Why do you think they have drag queens in thongs twerking in front of elementary school kids? It is specifically to provoke outrage. The same reason they tore down civil war monuments across the south… They were looking for someone to fight back so they could call them racist, Nazi, fascists.
That has been the agenda. They are following the playbook.
If you control the narrative, you can agitate, provoke a response, and then cast the response as the villain.
This is why Elon Musk became public enemy number one by spending 44 billion dollars to buy Twitter and allow free speech again.
Controlling the public discourse is a key component of the plan.
We can only hope that the American peol,e develop the will the strike the democrats down and end their Marxist reign of terror once and for all.
Two hundred years of slavery, Marxism and oppression is enough.
Control the language, control the masses. - Orwell
Alinsky "Rules for racists, ... er radicals", said the same.
It's a fucking knot. I used to like to tie nooses when I was a kid because I thought it was a cool knot. And probably a little "edge-lording" too, but only because it was a means of execution and there were urban legends about it being illegal to tie a noose. I don't think I ever thought of any association with racial hate.
Also, people use knots that are essentially the same as a noose all the time when they need a movable loop that will hold position under moderate tension.
Ok, hItLeR!
We should employ the leftist concept of ‘equity’ and use those nooses to hang only white leftists.
https://twitter.com/JasonMillerinDC/status/1632403873892651008?t=p0wdSeQ79QZEKfIMV7OiVQ&s=19
Well, that middle option is who Boehm was shilling for here.
All of Reason
Is that of just Democrat voters or is that of the 81 million that he supposedly won?
https://twitter.com/davidzweig/status/1632405066761007107?t=H-CT0NQbntLL41F1KbxQ8A&s=19
Govt officials conducted a multi-faceted surveillance program–including stakeouts and tracking cellular mobility data–to spy on churchgoers who broke Covid rules
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David Boaz, vice president of the Cato Institute and a longtime observer of the intersection between conservative and libertarian politics, says the best-case scenario for a DeSantis presidency is that he backs off the nonstop culture war and "realizes that the nation is not Florida."
The primary goal of libertines is to not fight back against the expanding authoritarianism of the left. Only when you fight back is it a culture war. Allow censorship. Allow indoctrination. Allow corporatism.
So good that even the Daily Beast hosts David.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/david-boaz.html
Those articles look like a list of fakes, mocking libertarians. Sadly, they are likely real. As is the laughable notion that Boaz write books on libertarianism.
This is why both the left and right establishment politicians want DeSantis. They feel they can guide him into backing off the culture wars the left has started much in the way Bush and Romney did. Then he can be classified as "moderate" and acceptable to both parties. The GOPe's motto is "Thou shall not object to the left's policies no more than is necessary to be elected".
Can you name one "left establishment politician" that "wants DeSantis"?
Yeah, every lefty publication I've seen has pimped Larry Hogan, and he's just stated that he's not running because he knows that's a good way to guarantee that Trump actually gets the nom. Which is probably why they really want him to run in the first place.
DeSatan tis of Thee,
Sweet Man of tyranny!
From every mountainside,
You can smell Him for free!
DeLand where de eagles glide!
DeLand where de illegals hide!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I sing,
To the liberals, tears You bring!
You make the proggies cry!
Talk with THEM?! Don’t even try!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I praise!
For the woke, Holy Hell You raise!
Illegal Martians? Low-life scum, You catch and send,
To Uranus with them! Ignore tax dollars You spend!
We must punish ALL, who to USA might sail,
At ALL costs, DeSatanism MUST prevail!
#MeInTheAss’CauseI’maGullibleLowBrowBlowHardConTard
#BeenTrumpledUnderfootForFarTooLong
DeSantis has a tough position to maintain. He must keep the core MAGA voter engaged without going overboard on the culture war a la Marjorie Taylor Greene, or like the idiots who broke into the Capitol. Suburban women are the bellwether; Trump turned them off, DeSantis needs to woo them.
"DeSantis needs to woo them."
Butt... butt... butt what does that MEAN? Does that mean "sniff their hair" or "grab them by their pussies"?
I really like baseball, but the baseball analogies in this were really off putting. Like, you can use them as a figure of speech and it’s clear you’re just being artful. But Boehm was actually engaging like the comparison was realistic, when politics is very different from baseball. He even argued a reason why his analogy was accurate, which is a big risk to take as a writer, but he kept throwing in other baseball analogies about being a power hitter, or how this or that was a swing and a miss.
As someone who actually likes baseball and also goes, it helps if they’re actually on point.
Gunning for George Wills Washington Generals roster spot.
Wait. Did yo actually READ a Boehm article?
Does anyone?
I think that line jumped the shark when he suggested that DeSantis was thinking of his little league baseball team when he said check the scoreboard.
Well, we all know that wanting your little league team to win when you are 12 years old is a well-known indicator of a future dictator.
I get the impression that the hit articles on DeSantis are AI created by providing a few sentence of historical information on DeSantis and then asking the program to write an article showing that those facts show that he is a fascist.
How many articles per day could the left write condemning DeSantis without AI assistance?
What a fvckin waste of time and space
Now do the dreamy Gov in Colorado
Yep. Reason loves them some Pollis, even though he’s pretty left socialist. But DeSantis is a big meanie.
Just remember Boehm, you were a shill for Biden.
No way you wrote this. It would be physically painful you to write this article; no chance. Did you use ChatGPT?
Biden been berry, berry good to Boehm.
I’m hearing that in Garret Morris’s voice from SNL.
Summary: DeSantis was in favour of small government before he was against it, and he thinks that fighting a culture war will get him the GOP nomination if not the presidency.
Gosh, maybe that’s because culture actually matters.
I'm delighted you agree with my summary.
Yes, culture does matter. Whether one should use the power of the state to impose culture, however, is a different issue.
The power of the state is currently being used to impose a radical intersectional, DEI, anti-racist culture. Nobody voted for any of it and yet we're getting it and being pilloried if we oppose it.
Progressives are using the state to impose culture. I’m glad you agree that that is wrong.
That is what De Santis is fighting. I’m glad you support him.
It's wrong regardless of who does it. I don't agree with DeSantis because he is not rolling back the government imposition of culture, he's using government to impose his own ideas of culture.
Of course, the DeSanitisers approve because who cares about principles if you can own the libs?
Well, they owned YOU!
"Those cheering for each of DeSantis' culture war swings are being clear about why they like him: not because he's following in Trump's footsteps, but because he's pushing beyond anything the 45th president did."
See?! This proves it! Trump is worse than Hitler and DeSantis is worse than Trump.
Republicans (and conservatives) haven't wanted to limit government since the era of Reagan. What about Gingrich and the Contract Out On America, I hear you ask? That was just smoke and mirrors. We never got it then either.
Republicans (and conservatives) don't want a limited government anymore, they want a big, strong, flexing government to prove their manhood.
well, that is pretty much reality. I would love for a Republican to name the Republican administration which did not grow the government and increase spending.
Coolidge.
Great. Now prove you're a Republican.
I think there are a few genuine small government conservatives out there still. But overall it does seem like no one wants to actually act on it. Much easier to sit there nibbling at the edges while government continues to balloon.
To balance the budget without touching Medicare and Soc Security and without increasing any revenue/taxes you'd have to cut everything else by 70%. Will America vote for that? I doubt it. Entitlements, which are mostly Social Security and Medicare, are about 2/3 of the budget.
_Politicians_ don't want to shrink government, never mind what their constituents want. Shrinking government shrinks their power, and power is what they went into politics for. So Republicans talk about smaller government in their campaigns, then find ways to expand government but obfuscate what they did while in office.
On the first day of their majority in the House, the Republicans promised to bring up for vote, eight major reforms:
1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;
2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;
5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;
7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
Too god-damned libertarian for Donkeys like you.
I will reserve judgment until I see those actually implemented.
Does he want to limit government, or is he just out to win at all costs?
Maybe and yes. He running for President, not municipal comptroller (assuming he runs).
Oh, thanks. With Reason I don't have to subscribe to the NYT or listen to MSNBC to receive my daily, lengthy diatribe about DeSantis.
I'm guessing Koch is heavily invested in the drag queen industry.
Can Reason not keep up?
"Limiting government" is no longer the #1 need or goal of the right. Winning the culture war and stopping the left from dragging us into constant Balkanization is.
Please try to keep up.
When the house is on fire, putting the fire out is the top priority.
Unless someone is running around with a flamethrower. Then maybe you stop the flamethrower before you try to beat out the flames.
Meanwhile Boehm just wants the right to sit in the flames and not bother anyone. Making a ruckus is so icky.
^bingo
dude seems too cookie cutter to be true. if he did the exact opposite of Brandon I bet things would work out well.
outside of Montgomery Brewster, does anyone run in an election and not want to win at any cost?
Gary Johnson?
Mitt Romney?
John McCain?
good point. Dole knew he didn't have a chance in '96.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
October 2024: a sober thinkpiece from reason explaining why most of the writers feel it's the right thing to hold their nose and reluctantly vote for Biden of DeSantis. For the good of the country.
What the fuck is this? A decent analysis of a Republican candidate that doesn't just dismiss him as 'Trump, but worse'?
Inconceivable!
I wouldnt call this a decent analysis.
It's posting as a sober version of hysterical handwringing over future president DeSantis and trying make me panic over some kerfuffle with Disney's special provisions that are bullshit in the firstplace.
It's better than anything they've done in the last 12 years - that fact that it's anything other than 'the libertarian case for Biden' is a plus.
And DeSantis isn't going to be considered great by then - at the end of the day he's still a Republican and he still believe in the power of the state.
fair enough.
So this article is a standout for being conspicuously less shitty than Reason’s usual shit stew of articles? Ok, I can accept that.
It's just an ongoing transition from TDS to DDS.
He's going to wipe the floor in 2024 and you can feel the desperation and panic from shitlib journalists already. This is a VERY LONG piece for Reason and it reads like a whiny complaint from a teenager.
a Republican Party that has benched its former interest in any particular set of principles or policies in order to prioritize winning above all else.
You mean the same party that has been committing political suicide by pursuing pro-life agendas that are unpopular? That unprincipled gang?
I'm two paragraphs in and this article is already absurd.
A party either needs to prioritize winning or be like the LP or other "third parties". Sadly that's just how it works and is also why our system inevitably tends towards two parties.
However conservatives might rationalize away that tension during the coming season, libertarians can at least be heartened by DeSantis' tendency to strike out when he takes a big cut at the Constitution.
oh man, this is too good. It just keeps going. It's going to get worse isnt' it? How many times and in what ways has he taken a "big cut" at the constituation? lol. As governor of Florida lol.
The STOP Woke Act drew harsh condemnation from free speech advocates.
Public school teachers do not have free speech at work. The government literally decides EVERY SINGLE THING they are required to cover and required to NOT cover in every curriculum.
My comment here is late to the game, but your quoted comment is ages out of date. Government meddles in daily life so much that it is easier and more profitable to sic government on others before the sic government on you. This has been a fact of life since the 1870s began the litany of pro-union laws, anti-trust laws, occupational licensing of lawyers and doctors, building codes, and on and on goes the list. The impetus was racism, mostly, to keep newly-freed slaves from competing with whites. The tool was government power; the Civil War had shown to what lengths governments both north and south would take to enforce partisan morality.
Marxists have been flooding academia and government for a century.
And you think Ron DeSantis is something new?!?!
DeSantis' goal, as Ruffini sees it, is to persuade that middle group that "he'll be all the things they like about Trump—taking no prisoners against the radical left—without the infighting, craziness, or drama.",
this sounds fucking great. How could anyone with even a light libertarian leaning to them be opposed to this? The left is so clearly the enemy of liberty in our country right now i cant imagine how this description sounds like a bad thing to any sane person.
The left is so clearly the enemy of liberty in our country
And the right isn't?
Oh wait wait wait I get it.
When the left stomps on liberty, they are pure evil and must be stopped.
When the right stomps on liberty, they are merely misguided and well intentioned.
no. the left stomps on liberty more comprehensively and in more damaging ways than the right.
Again, quite obvious to anyone with a bit of libertarian in them.
I'll take some handwrigning and a bit of overreach from republican governors over protecting kids from sexual predators over the fucking outright woke bolsheviks on the left and their intrusions.
Both are wrong. One is clearly worse.
What does the right really want to do that crushes liberty? I'm not saying they don't support unlibertarian policies in many cases. There is certainly plenty I disagree with the right on including prohibition, abortion, certain things related to sexual morality. But for the most part the nature of conservatism is not to change things that have been in place for a while. They aren't trying to radically transform government and law. You could probably argue that they are on abortion, and that's a valid complaint if you disagree. But there is a real moral debate happening there and people just genuinely disagree.
The left on the other hand wants to be able to lock you in your home, decide what your children should be taught about absolutely everything, force you to take experimental drugs, start a war with Russia (OK plenty of the right wants that too and fuck them too), destroy economic productivity and plan more and more of the economy.
I used to be as much of a both-sideser as anyone, but after the last 3 years or so I'll support anyone who did more or less the right thing with covid while the rest of the world lost their fucking minds.
Which liberties are the right stomping on?
Abortion - returned to the states.
Antifa - still burning down the house.
Grooming - good.
Not even 5% as much.
Lol, you couldn’t help yourself, could you?
More people moving into the United States to seek freedom and a better way of life, apparently, is bad news.
Every journalist should be forced to read The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray before they are allowed to comment on allowing mass refugees and mass illegal migration into the country.
Agreed. To add, this is the same old conflation of illegal and legal immigration that Reason and leftists love to commit. If nothing else, this shows what a useless transparent hack Boehm is. Time for him to learn to code.
One of these morons should ask a Native American how mass immigration of Europeans worked out for them.
And now I get to the stupidest part of the article, perhaps the stupidest thing I will read all week:
State taxpayers are on the hook for more than $17 million in costs associated with lawsuits stemming from DeSantis' culture war policies, the Miami Herald reported in December.
Now do california. every state is constantly in court defending the laws they try to inflict on their people. This is an absurd and disingenous point.
They could start reporting the costs of all the post-Bruen gun control legislation which has been consistently knocked down, and was predicted to be knocked down. That has been and continues to be pure virtue signalling.
At the very least, there’s a clear contradiction in DeSantis’ approach to the final stage of the pandemic: Was he misleading constituents when he promoted the jab, or is he doing that now by holding the opposite view?
What part of opposition to mandates do you not understand? You wrote that he
In what world do these points contradict?
Boehm isn’t very bright.
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What part of opposition to mandates do you not understand? You wrote that he
In what world do these points contradict?
I think this might set the record for most corny, hack-kneed baseball as politics analogies in a single article. I'm not sure though, George Will might still hold the title.
I was feeling nauseous at the bottom of the 9th analogy , and dugout another article to read.
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What part of opposition to mandates do you not understand? You wrote that he
In what world do these points contradict?
And why do I need explicit paragraph breaks some times and not others?
I'm probably in a distinct minority, but ...
My 1st 2024 preference is to NOT vote for any Republican or Democrat.
My close second is to not help Trump win.
DeSantis/Haley versus Biden/Harris would be a no-brainer for DeSantis. Trump/Haley versus Biden/Harris would be a no-brainer for Biden.
>>no-brainer for Biden
no-brainer ... for sure
My close second is to not help Trump win.
Silly questions, but here goes:
1. So you like Biden in the presidency over Trump, if though the later was more competent than the former?
2. Would you vote for Stalin, Mussolini, et.al., just to keep Trump out?
Of course it would.
I don't know about you, but I'm not in a swing state, so I see no reason to vote for any of those choices. I'm not going to vote for anyone for President until there is a choice worth voting for.
Hold that thought. Freedom-loving citizens everywhere are rejoicing that you will withhold your vote in a Trump-Biden face-off.
But you wouldn’t blink if a Republican was threatening to win your state. You would vote for Biden. Early, and often.
Imagine preferring Biden over Trump. Especially now that we have actual real world results to compare. There is no question Biden has been so much worse than Trump and in only half the time. Literally everything has gotten worse under Biden.
I'm voting for Vermin Supreme myself but come on, Biden is clearly worse than Trump by nearly every measure, INCLUDING MEAN TWEETS. Wtf.
I don't know how anyone still imagines that Biden is anything like "having the adults back in charge". I mean, Trump is a special kind of asshole and I'm kind of hoping he doesn't end up back in the center of politics, but the Biden admin is a fucking joke.
Biden is like having senile Grandpa back in the room. And he brought a broken-down hooker with him.
Even in terms of personality. Biden is a far bigger asshole. The only difference EO’s Trump sent out his own tweets.
Mike and Jeff disagree with you. Don’t think about the fact that in every conceivable instance Biden is worse than Trump, Trump is too dangerous to have near the levers of power.
Name one thing that's gotten worse.
Hahahahahaha
Thanks for letting us all know who the no-brainer is here.
i can actually forgive someone for voting Biden 2020. If they were a middle of the road normie how could they know.
but. now we have plenty of real time results. To even consider the idea that Biden was a better choice than Trump requires true delusional insanity. nuff said.
" On one hand, he's a competent conservative who has overseen a successful state through a challenging time"
Wrong his flip flops and "personality responsibility" handling of the Covid crisis has has led to 88,000 deaths and even now over 100 deaths a week. Let's compare to California, which had 99,000 deaths and last week had zero deathsl
So California with early 100% more people had only 12% more deaths......that is hardly "a competent conservative who has overseen a successful sotate through a challenging time" When it comes to the major crisis, Florida failed and DeSantis failed..
Yeah, what an asshole, changing his assessment when new information is available and allowing people to assess their own risks and decide as individuals what risks they will tolerate.
It's worth remembering that Florida is full of elderly people too. And is now doing far better economically. There are other important things in the world besides how many people die while infected with one particular virus.
Florida- Where old people go to play golf and then die..
AGE-adjusted, Florida did the same as Californicate, and about average for the USA.
Mussolini II: The Sequel.
Unfortunately, we Libertarians seem poised to nominate someone just as fascist.
..whenever an Italian American gets some traction it is always Mussolini. Showing your bigotry..sounds like what Trotsky would say.
He's not Italian, he's American.
Boaz? CATO? come on man...they are cosmo "lefttarians" not libertarians. All hail Fauci and abortion...the Cato Institute at its best.
"intersectionality"..when you hear that term know it is wokism...total bullshit.
Going after the cultural marxists along with the Fed, foreign wars, and the alphabet agencies is the way to liberty. Reason promotes the Gov in Colorado because he likes abortion, open borders and sexual mutilation of kids...yet got it
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DeSantis' handling of the pandemic was catastrophic. https://politicsofthelastage.blogspot.com/2022/12/update-on-covid19-mask-and-vaccine.html
Reason #1 why I love Ron DeSantis: he bores me. He’s a complete nerd, he’s got the limelight to talk up his favorite topic, and you cannot ever get him to stop. He isn’t pretty, his speeches aren’t “inspiring” and “soaring”, he’s just locked on to the target and won’t let go come Hell or high water.
‘Bout damn time we had some basic, boring competence round here.
Reason for some reason just can't find the ZOOM-OUT button on their camera. To let them see the difference between the D's and R's. The Disney thing is petty and annoying along with the other culture war stuff. But to not see the difference between this and, what, pick your poison: Student loan bailouts, banning of gas stoves (a real thing in states, not a proposal), killing of the energy industry, a multigenerational effort to take over health care, every more and higher taxes, a refusal to tackle entitlement spending (which at least has a constituency in the GOP), slavish devotion to public unions, including maintaining the education cartel.....
Had enough? Are you still sitting there, Reason, stroking your chin, not able to see the difference between the 2 parties?
That "now-quaint" tells the story, which is, it turns out, not a story about the dangers of national debt, but of early signs of Ron's psychopathy.
By this sentence's own admission, the only thing Ron voted for was denying Hurricane victims help. That debt number didn't matter one single shit in the end. Not a single bad thing has happened as a result of that number. To date, not a single bad thing has happened as a consequence of a national debt twice that number.
National debt is a sack of lies Republicans have ready to pull from whenever they need to justify policy that steals from the needy to give to the rich, or policy that outright expresses contempt for most types of human beings. If they really cared about the national debt as much as they occasionally claim they do, they'd vote to raise taxes. Nobody ever suffered from the income tax either, though somehow it's a worse crime against humanity than ignoring helpless victims of nature.
Ron DeSantis is better than most of the other candidates. It is imperative that libertarian minded Republicans get close to Ron DeSantis and work to guide him more towards libertarian positions.
This being said, Ron DeSantis is not a libertarian.
At least he gives lip service to the concept of freedom, even if it’s a Republican version of freedom. That means he could be persuaded take in consideration libertarian and freedomist perspectives. He should be nuanced when he talks about gay and trans issues, so as to not be accused of being homophobic or transphobic.
Maybe a little OT but as a life long Florida resident I notice a lot of peeps fail to understand how much resentment Disney has accumulated not because it is run by left wing turds who bend over for gays and butch lezzies but for how it has changed central Florida. The traffic has reached unbearable levels well before Disney went full bore left wing and the developments have done untold environmental damage. Since growth never pays for itself long time residents have seen a continual lowering of their quality of life as more tourists visit for a couple of weeks and clog up everything and then leave only to be replaced by more of the same.
Not trying to be luddite but just pointing out that there was a dislike for the all fake and plastic Disney well before they went off the rails in a headlong effort to veer left.
For all his talk about freedom, apparently it doesn’t extend to cannabis legalization, which he opposes because he doesn’t like its smell. He doesn’t talk about prohibiting tobacco, so that means he doesn’t mind its smell.
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