Fusion Future, Fission Present
For the first time ever, researchers achieved "ignition" in a fusion reaction, meaning they created a fusion reaction that releases more energy than it consumes.

The Department of Energy announced in December that researchers at the National Ignition Facility had, for the first time ever, achieved "ignition" in a fusion reaction, meaning researchers created a fusion reaction that releases more energy than it consumes. Physicist Tom Hartsfield wrote in Big Think that the laser-powered reaction "would not quite power one 40-watt refrigerator light bulb for a day" and that commercial opportunities remain decades away, at best.
Meanwhile, the two fission reactor units at the Watts Bar Nuclear Plant in Rhea County, Tennessee, power roughly 1.3 million homes. Including new plants expected to come online later this year in Georgia, the U.S. has completed construction on three fission units in the 21st century while retiring over a dozen with no plans to replace them.
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Both Watts Bar nuclear reactor units began construction in 1973. Each is classified as a Gen II reactor. The estimated cost for Watts Bar is $12B or about one eighth of what Biden (D) has sent to Zelensky.
Just 5 to 10 years away...
We'll need plenty of refrigerator candles in the meantime.
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I heard somewhere that the candlemakers union plans on bringing suit against the nuclear industry.
Meanwhile, most of the hype ignores the almost-secret that the national Ignition Facility (and these small bursts of fusion) are ALL about testing nuke-weapon explosions!
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/see-the-facility-that-tests-whether-nuclear-weapons-work/
See the Facility That Tests whether Nuclear Weapons Work
Gargantuan lasers induce a fusion reaction to test the U.S. nuclear stockpile
Perhaps if we had cheap abundant energy, we would be less inclined to go to war.
Like natural gas?
You would think the environmental greenies would be pushing for nuclear power.
It’s the only possible power source for all those electric the plan to force us to buy.
With zero carbon emissions.
A few greenies in Europe have started circling back to the possibility of adding more nuclear. Zero carbon* but they still emit water vapor, a greenhouse gas.
There is a professor at the University of Illinois that had posted lectures regarding nuclear power as well as other energy sources:
https://m.youtube.com/@illinoisenergyprof6878
You're joking, right?
That's even more ridiculous than the DNC saying that "due to the inflation reduction act, children will be protected from breathing dangerous, toxic carbon pollution".
Dude; The left just sold the idea that Global Warming ---> Climate Changes --> A New Ice Age crisis... And I quote Tony, "Didn't you see the movie The day after tomorrow."
There is no sense in what the left worships. There never was.
Water vapor is a greenhouse gas. Power plants that boil water and use cooling towers emit steam (water vapor).
We would need to ban the ocean.
Recognizing that doesn’t default to wanting/needing to eliminate the water cycle.
That's simple molten salt reactors don't require water cooling they can go in the desert.
We would need to ban the ocean.
You are aware that the current plan is to ban carbon, right?
So ban all human and animal life? Good luck killing off all yeast, etc.
As everyone keeps saying correctly...
Green Environmentalists are waging a war against plant life.
Banning CO2 the very essence of plant life.
But they can control it so that the correct number of the correct plants get the correct amount of CO2 at the correct times.
He's not wrong, water vapor does produce a greenhouse effect similar to CO2, and it's emitted by fossil fuel burning plants too, both as result of burning hydrocarbons and from boiling water.
I suspect the reason the greenies don't make as big a stink about it is because it tends to not stay in the atmosphere (the water cycle) and also because they probably realize people would react like this.
I know a couple of Lefties who are whole-heartedly in favor of moar nuclear power. Both are nuclear physicists, btw. Problem is that hippies poisoned the idea of nuclear power back in the 70s, and people still freak out about it. Even many right wingers will freak out about it if you propose a plant near them. Nuclear power is the big scary, so people will settle for far more deadly coal plants (coal means crappy jerbs for 'muricans!) than a modern fission plant.
Thankfully fusion never got that stigma, and is actually has a "clean" reputation that is largely undeserved. But maybe it can get past the Enviro-Leftie barrier.
It wasn't coal that made Chernobyl UN-inhabitible.
Perhaps all the kinks of Commie-Disasters are close to void; or maybe in the USA they're just beginning. Either way lets not pretend it doesn't exist.
Problem is that hippies poisoned the idea of nuclear power back in the 70s
By "Hippies" you mean Bernstein's (of Woodward and Bernstein) wife, Nora Ephron?
The solution is to make sure that the lefties who caused the coming crisis will be the only ones to suffer the economic consequences of that crisis, while those of us who resisted the panic continue to use fossil fuels to maintain our energy lives as before and watch the blue crisis unfold on our cable television and internet screens with the popcorn we raised on our popcorn farms, popped on our gas ranges with melted buttter we raised on our nonorganic dairy farms.
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But will they let us?
Nope; There's a reason their THEFT takes place on the National level.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/article/No-more-gas-stoves-California-prepares-to-16161119.php
This is a state that can't even handle a heat wave without shuttting down the electrical grid but they're going to go full electric for every home appliance and car.
They know EXACTLy what will happen. it's part of the plan.
The fusion reaction released more energy than it consumed *during the reaction*, but it required a massive energy expense to ignite the reaction. It was still a net energy loss (by a factor of 100x).
"... Remember, December's breakthrough put two units of energy in and got three out? Well, it took 300 units of power to fire the lasers. By that standard, it was 300 in, three out. That detail was not front and center at the Department of Energy's December news conference which fused the advance with an unlikely timeline. ..."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nuclear-fusion-60-minutes-2023-01-15/
^This^
All we did was go from fusion power being 50 years away to 49 years. Maybe 48 if you want to be optimistic.
Wait until Enviro-Lefties discover fusion is not radiation free, is not nuclear waste free. Sure, there aren't any spent fuel rods, but massive amounts of gamma radiation is going to irradiate everything inside the fusion chamber. And it's not a closed system. And the plants won't last forever.
I'm not being negative against Fusion. Still better than Fission. I'm just wondering when the freakout will come when the general public realizes it's not "clean" like the sci-fi makes it out to be.
Gamma radiation is not the problem, neutrons are.
The problem in older fission plants is partially spent fuel rods. Modern fission plants actually can use up the radioactive fuel almost completely, leaving little high level waste.
Yes, I meant neutrons. Gamma rays are bad too.
No fuel waste from fusion (at least only very minimal fuel waste). But decommissioning a fusion plant is just as problematic as decommissioning a fission plant. And we're not very good at that. And places like Livermore are already having problems with fusion byproducts.
The old sci-fi sort of envisioned massively strong magnetic fields to keep everything contained during fusion, but that's just... sci-fi.
Gamma rays are bad too.
Yeah, they might make you lose control and transform into a giant green rage monster.
No, it didn't in any meaningful sense.
You really are pretty gullible, aren't you?
I'm not a super-sciency guy when it comes to this stuff, but I'm extremely skeptical too.
>>commercial opportunities remain decades away, at best.
I was led to believe by Real Genius we can fry people from a satellite.
And use 5 megawatt lasers to pop enough popcorn to destroy a house in seconds.
Laslo was Uncle Rico.
You mean even after the hundreds of B - as in billions spent on Solar and Wind; The magical unicorn farting fairy didn't show up?
Why I was assured over and over and over again back in the 80s that Solar and Wind would power the world just as soon as they could eliminate the oil industry. You mean it was just a BIG *SS LIE to commit massive armed-theft?
How many trillions have been spent on oil? Include the cost of M-E wars in your calculations.
Why I was assured over and over and over again
Cool story, bro
And I was assured that the magical farting fairy would make all the wars end... Thanks; I almost forgot that one.
One of the benefits of so-called room-temperature superconductors is that one can transmit electricity over much longer distances with high efficiency, which means that one can locate nuclear reactors further and further away from populated areas.
So we put them in Canada?
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For the first time ever, researchers achieved “ignition” in a fusion reaction
Seems to me the first ignition in a fusion reaction happened in 1952.
Hurray. We have achieved the equivalent of a 1 trillion dollar 9-volt battery.
I doubt if they have generated anywhere near enough output to offset all of the energy inputs. The mining, construction, flying scientists around.
The sign I want to post at the borders to every blue state and every blue city in America: “Warning! You are now entering the Blue Sector. You are leaving the Red Sector where energy policy is sane, there is plenty of fuel to generate electricity from fossil and nuclear fuels and the power generators have been winterized. The agricultural, industrial, communications and water systems are reliable in the regions you are leaving behind; and questionable to unpredictable to intermittent in the Zone you are now entering. Housing is no longer market based, plentiful or affordable where you are going. Don’t even ask about taxes or permits here. When the economic crunch hits you may not be allowed to leave the Blue Zone to save yourself.”
When the economic crunch hits you may not be allowed to leave the Blue Zone to save yourself.”
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