980 New York Times Contributors Want To Sacrifice Free Inquiry to Ideology
In an open letter, they condemned the paper's coverage of trans issues. But their note is more about what questions journalists are not allowed to ask.

On Wednesday, hundreds of contributors to The New York Times formally expressed their discontent with how the paper covers transgender, nonbinary, and gender-nonconforming people, publishing an open letter that condemns the paper's reporting as antagonistic toward those individuals. "The Times has in recent years treated gender diversity with an eerily familiar mix of pseudoscience and euphemistic, charged language," it reads, "while publishing reporting on trans children that omits relevant information about its sources."
The claim is set against the backdrop of an ongoing debate about how, and if, people who identify as transgender—particularly minors—should be permitted to transition. But at its core, the letter is about a different debate: What questions are members of a free press allowed to ask?
Central to the Times contributors' argument is a sprawling piece written by Emily Bazelon, a staff writer for the magazine. (In the interest of transparency, Bazelon is on the board of directors of the Law and Justice Journalism Project, an organization through which I am doing a fellowship this year.) That article, "The Battle Over Gender Therapy," laid out the evolution of medical care for transgender youth and how physicians today who treat such patients are grappling with changes in the science, as well as changes in the politics, amid increased demand for their services.
"The natural destination of poor editorial judgment is the court of law," the Times contributors write in the letter. "Last year, Arkansas' attorney general filed an amicus brief in defense of Alabama's Vulnerable Child Compassion and Protection Act, which would make it a felony, punishable by up to 10 years' imprisonment, for any medical provider to administer certain gender-affirming medical care to a minor (including puberty blockers) that diverges from their sex assigned at birth." According to the letter, people like Bazelon are partially to blame, because she outlined a history and nuanced debate. By this logic, it is only ethical for journalists to cover controversial topics if they are prepared to come to a foregone conclusion. It inverts the mantra that journalists should "show and not tell" and instead requires they tell and not show.
A primary fault of Bazelon's article, according to the Times contributors, is that she "uncritically used the term 'patient zero' to refer to a trans child seeking gender-affirming care, a phrase that vilifies transness as a disease to be feared," they write. "This is the same rhetoric that transphobic policymakers recently reintroduced to the American lawmaking apparatus by quoting Emily Bazelon's Times article." The person Bazelon calls "Patient Zero" is also referred to in the piece as F.G., a transgender man who, as a teenager in the 1980s, was the first recipient of a new treatment protocol at an influential gender clinic in Amsterdam. That treatment would go on to revolutionize the science.
In context, it appears that Bazelon meant the term benignly. She uses it a single time; two words in an 11,000-word piece, as a means to communicate that F.G. was the first person to receive a course of medical care that was—and, to some degree, still is—nascent and experimental and one that remains front and center of the conversation as physicians debate how to best help transgender youth. Crucially, F.G. is presented as being happy with his transition and post-transition life.
That the outrage extends beyond "patient zero" and is a broader debate about journalism itself is reflected in the reaction to Bazelon's piece after it came out in June. An article in the Texas Observer sums up that reaction: "There is no legitimate 'debate' over gender-affirming healthcare," the headline reads.
The medical community disagrees, as evidenced by the in-depth reporting provided by Bazelon's article. The piece painstakingly outlines the very real debate among physicians—many of whom are transgender themselves—about how to move forward while remaining faithful to their "do no harm" ethos. Among the questions explored: How do doctors determine if a child is ready to transition? What is at the root of the influx of trans-identifying youth, and how are doctors taking into account what may sometimes be social pressure or concurrent mental illness as opposed to (or in addition to) gender dysphoria? How do doctors decide when to start puberty suppressants as opposed to hormone treatments and surgeries?
Reading the Times letter, as well as the wider objections to Bazelon's piece, readers may assume that she platformed only skeptic quacks. But Bazelon's interviews included the leading doctors in the field who are sympathetic to treating transgender patients in a way that typically elicits energetic backlash from conservatives. There are differences and nuances between those doctors, as is to be expected in medicine, and Bazelon put them in conversation, as is to be expected in journalism. She included, for example, a lengthy interview with Colt St. Amand, a physician at the Mayo Clinic, who said: "People are who they say they are, and they may develop and change, and all are normal and OK. So I am less concerned with certainty around identity, and more concerned with hearing the person's embodiment goals. Do you want to have a deep voice? Do you want to have breasts? You know, what do you want for your body?"
Marci Bowers, a transgender woman and reconstructive surgeon, observed by contrast that transgender girls who stave off male puberty, and thus prevent full penile development, may struggle to orgasm in their adult lives after having bottom surgery. "Sexual satisfaction is a huge thing," she told Bazelon. "You've got to talk about it."
Some of the most elite journalists in the country, however, appear to not want to talk about it. They want to treat these topics as black and white in a profession that is supposed to be dedicated to investigating the gray.
Thankfully, leadership at the Times agrees, at least in this case. "Our journalism strives to explore, interrogate and reflect the experiences, ideas and debates in society — to help readers understand them. Our reporting did exactly that and we're proud of it," Charlie Stadtlander, the director of external communications for the Times' newsroom, said in a statement. And in a memo sent to staff, Joe Kahn, the top editor, condemned the staff's effort, writing that the paper "will not tolerate, participation by Times journalists in protests organized by advocacy groups or attacks on colleagues on social media and other public forums."
There's a line from Bazelon's piece about the negative reception doctors sometimes receive from those in their own camp. "This response hit them harder," Bazelon wrote, "as criticism from your colleagues and allies often does." I imagine she may feel the same way reading the letter from the Times contributors.
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If they were just sterilizing their own daughters with testosterone, I’d be ok with it.
I’m less ok with them convincing others that this is ok.
I'm not OK with any children being maimed. You shouldn't be either.
I agree with you. Even in the case where a minor wants to be the opposite sex. After all, we don't allow them to vote, join the military, make contracts (which is what you do when paying a doctor for a procedure), or many other actions. The reason having to do with the inability of most children to make sound decisions for life, about which they are usually ignorant.
Even many (most IMHO) libertarians don't support giving children all the freedom and responsibility of adulthood, so they don't harm themselves or others, often for life.
When they turn 18, (obviously a drawn line that's changed over time, as when people learn responsibility varies also) I'm fine with them choosing sex change surgery for themselves and paying for it as well (that gives parents some control, who have the money since their kid probably isn't responsible and self-supporting yet).
Meanwhile, I'll celebrate the fact that adults have the freedom to do this (though it seems a crazy choice IMHO, and suspect they'll regret it, but since it's permanent, they'll convince themselves it was a good choice). That's freedom, and freedom makes us prosperous.
The NYT trying to shed any remaining credibility they might have had left for the "any debate or disagreement is heresy" position. I mean we all know they are an opinion tabloid at this point, but damned if they aren't trying to let John Q Public know too.
Also...another example of the modern church of woke. You WILL agree that 2+2 = 5 and if you have some kind of 'evidence' that its 4....shut up BIGOT!!! Heretic! Apostate !
You forgot racist.
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The 800 should be subpoenaed and forced to reveal the preferred pronouns of the Times stuffed moose Editorial mascot/mascotte/mascox
Trans News Snippet
Did you bother to READ the last 2 paragraphs of the article? Or are you not capable of honesty?
I guess McGuffin is counting the contributors who signed the open letter as being the true "NYT" and the actual Times leadership as not being the true "NYT".
The cognitive dissonance has to be hard for many commenters here, since they have been painting the New York Times as the epitome of evil and lazy journalism for the past 4 - 6 years -- and now the Times is producing reporting that they don't disagree with.
How many lights are there, Mike?
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Their mob of loyal footsoldiers all put forward a unified stance and leadership has for now pushed back. So all of the zealots they employ and publish all agree, but a couple editors have pushed back.
Lets see how long that lasts. When the same happened at Disney, after a couple struggle sessions, the CEO caved and jumped on camera (appearing to be held at gunpoint) to apologize to all the LGBTQ and trans people he hurt.
Just wait. 99% of the staff there is in agreement that the church doctrine needs to be upheld. Its only a matter of time before the other 1% give in. And the content is already completely skewed toward commie tranny trash
And since then Disney has a new CEO.
Good. To hell with Disney nowadays.
Actually search on some of the signers. They are not major NYT contributors.
They should protest by dousing themselves with gasoline and striking a match.
You climate racist!
Vinyl chloride is the chic accelerant now.
Whoops, damage in the brain and the heart was caused by the vaccine, not COVID infection.
Will there ever be enough hard evidence to prompt JFree to recant? No rational, reasonable person can still claim that the Pfizer mRNA injection is less dangerous in the long term than the virus it was intended to combat.
He was right about everything. Just ask him.
If you want to go straight to the info without having to watch a video, here's the study the man is discussing:
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/10/10/1651
Imagine how f'd that shaker would have been if he'd caught the virus!
Yeah, it’s not like COVID-19 itself doesn’t cause encephalitis.
Here is another study one might want to read:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8239820/
And another:
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970
Sad watching lysenkoism. Not shocked you are the one still denying the evidence. State narratives are your primary function SeaLionGPT.
Mike's still insisting Brian Sicknick was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. The man is a zealot.
This one satirizes inoculated agent 007 with jabs instead of bullets: "That's a Pfizer; you've had your three!" BLAM!
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/natural-immunity-protective-covid-vaccine-severe-illness-rcna71027
Turns out natural immunity from prior infections is as good or better than the vaccine. Who could have guessed?
I repeat.
Stop talking about the New York Times.
The paper of re
cordtard.I don't know. The paper is a danger to free speech and liberty and needs to be actively refuted.
Let's have the government shut them down!
You go do that then. We won't be hypocrites like what we saw with The Twitter Files and The Facebook Files.
It is only a local New York paper that thinks it’s bigger than it actually is.
See, just about everyone is upset with the politics of the Times. But these retards think the paper is too conservative.
(Note that the same thinking applies to Biden.)
You should read the comments in the Washington Post any time they step out of the 100% doctrinaire queue. The commentariat brands them as right wing MAGA Deplorables.
Democracy dies in darkness. At least, that's their game plan.
>>changes in the science
um, no. simply now lucrative to mutilate children.
simply now lucrative to mutilate children
This is the key. As always, follow the money. Anyone undergoing "
genderdelusion-affirming care" will be a patient reliant on the medical establishment for the rest of their lives.I dont what it is about the trans delusion but it has infected EVERY lefty brain completely. it's been amazing to watch.
living with it secondhand (nephew --> niece) it's fucked up
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1. Nothing wrong with religious ritual. Symbolism is not your strong suit.
2. The idea that federal power has been transferred to smaller state power regarding a law should be celebrated. Science also points to life being created at conception, so there's actual logical basis behind acting on that fact.
You have been deceived if you think this is less delusional than transgenderism. Repent of your wrongfulness.
So he immigrated here to get free transgender surgery to make him look more like a woman. And this pile of horseshit:
cover a medically recommended facial reconstruction surgery.
Medically recommended. Sorry, you have an adams apple, bro.
Oh, and this:
A state legislator just introduced a bill that guarantees that transgender youth can get "protected healthcare services" (in Washington, that's a host of healthcare services guaranteed by the state, which include:
Under the bill just proposed, it allows "youth shelters" to steer youth towards these "protected healthcare services" without parental consent if the youth claims they were abused. No verification of these claims is required.
The bill was so bad, it required one lawmaker to propose an amendment to remove the language allowing youth to get surgical care without parental consent.
We've got a dead-man's switch here. As long as the forces of good keep a white-knuckled grip on it, it seems we can stop bills that are explicitly designed to let your kids cut their dick off without parental consent, but if we fall asleep for an instant and we lose control of that switch, it'll happen, because there is a perplexingly large number of people who seem desperate to put your kids under a knife and sterilize them.
White Mike promises us this never happens.
But that's the issue here, even if you can say "well, technically the law requires parental consent" it suggests that
1: If the parents consent, then genital surgery can occur
2: Even if the parents don't consent, lawmakers are repeatedly trying to slip in provisions to allow it without consent.
And genital surgery CAN happen without parental consent if the child goes through Washington state's "emancipation" protocol, which has been on the books for years.
And last, we probably can't know when these procedures are occurring because the law says that they're kept secret and not part of the public record.
Most importantly it says it happens on minors. But even that admission is a quibble since castration drugs cause genital atrophy which leads to future surgery. Why Mike thinks that is a gotcha is amazing to me.
Not only that, but puberty blockers are usually followed by trans-sex hormone "therapy", so we rarely see if natural development could still occur after withdrawal of the puberty blockers.
Removing healthy tissue and organs in order to create a flesh costume which can only mimic the opposite sex is the medical recommendation.
As your doctor, I determine that without this surgery, you'll be literally insufferable.
Conclusion: Recommended.
^^^ Oh, so much exactly THIS.
Stealing.
Some males have the balls to…have their balls cut off. That’s nuts!
Eggs actly
If she feels like she is a woman, why does it matter what her face looks like?
That gets at the fundamental contradiction of genderism: it is sexism itself. It preaches that one's physical appearance must match one's thoughts and feelings, and if they don't match, that's a legitimate and healthy cause of severe distress. Sexual liberation advocates the opposite—that there is no thought or feeling that is inappropriate for people of either sex.
They are treating it as a religion and the NYT is an organ of this odd church. The NYT entertaining any skepticism to the trans dogma is therefore unacceptable. They think their job is to proselytize for the faith.
There is also the postmodernist notion that changing the words used to describe a phenomenon changes the nature of that phenomenon. If gender dysphoria is not a dysfunction of the brain and/or the body then why is any medical care needed, much less radical chemical and surgical intervention to deal with it? Their position is inherently cognitively dissonant. Calling a medical condition a "disease" is not supposed to be a pejorative, it is what they are reading into it.
This represents the corruption of the elite levels of the journalism profession.
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“But Bazelon’s interviews included the leading doctors in the field who are sympathetic to treating transgender patients in a way that typically elicits energetic backlash from conservatives.”
Why are we Girondins in the same tumbril as these royalists and reactionaries? We're good revolutionaries! Sure, maybe we uttered one or two mild criticisms about some of the more advanced ideas of the Revolution, but nothing which couldn't be settled among progressives. Why are you doing this to us?
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"But I'm a cEnTrIsT!"
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Gretchen Felker-Martin, a horror writer who has gotten glowing coverage from outlets like NPR, has blamed commentators she doesn't like, myself included, for the stabbling death of a trans teen thousands of miles away -- and said that our throats should be slit as payback.
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There was a presenter last night on one of the science programs I like to watch, who said:
"It's better to have questions you can't answer, than answers you can't question."
But Bazelon's interviews included the leading doctors in the field who are sympathetic to treating transgender patients in a way that typically elicits energetic backlash from conservatives.
Conservatives == leading scientists, evolutionary biologists, endocrinologists and the like who say, "Hold on, not so fast".
Left-wing woman who lost her company when she stood up and said, "Hold on, not so fast."
"People are who they say they are, and they may develop and change, and all are normal and OK. So I am less concerned with certainty around identity, and more concerned with hearing the person's embodiment goals. Do you want to have a deep voice? Do you want to have breasts? You know, what do you want for your body?"
I want to increase my dick from 10" to 14" and I want the state to pay for it.
"You said you wanted a 14" dick. You did not say you wanted it capable of an erection."
What a flop that would be.
What a flaccid comment.
Stiff criticism.
It is cold outside so ill accept your short comment.
Maybe I should flesh out what I was saying.
You've erected quite the pun.
Ballsy.
It’s a prickly pair.
No one has enough blood to pump up a 14" penis unless he looks like Ron Jeremy.
Simply identify as someone with a 14" and blame the TERFS for refusing to accept that you have such an enormous member. No surgery required.
I want to look like a reptilian alien. The state should pay for it.
I want to look like a kitty cat. The state should pay for it.
Never interfere with your enemy when they are in the process of destroying themselves.
*sits back and munches on zero trans fat popcorn*
Those left-wingers with their internal quarrels...Fourierism v. Marxism, Bolshevik v. Menshevik...they're bound to destroy themselves with all that infighting...any day now...
But they're taking the rest of us with them.
No complaints or calling it a culture war? Oh. Leftists.
It's only the culture war when it's people on the right asking the left to stop this shit.
Folks on the right are telling leftists to cut it out! Er, I mean…dang it.
Let’s not make a mountain out of a mohel.
I can see where this letter is coming from. Any coverage of trans issues that is in any way negative, or even nuancedly positive is immediately seized on by bigots to justify banning all gender-affirming treatment. We've seen this in the Reason comments, where a bunch of numbskulls cherry-pick anecdotal stories of people who regret transitioning, while ignoring the stories of the thousands of people whom it helped.
But ultimately that doesn't matter. The principle of free inquiry is too important to sacrifice to any cause, no matter how good. From a pragmatic standpoint, we have to remember that it was being willingness to question society's implicit dominant gender ideology that led to the development of gender-affirming treatments in the first place. The many people whose lives and mental health were saved by such treatments should be glad people were willing to question things. Free inquiry isn't something you can turn on and off at your convenience. It needs to always be on, even if people sometimes point it back at you.
Transitioning is the only effective treatment for gender dysphoria. This has been so thoroughly established that you basically need to be an idiot to question it. But every human being has a right to be an idiot.
Cites?
Every study you can cite claiming beneficial improvements from transitioning has been laughed at. Your house of cards is built on terribly sourced studies that are intentionally built that way. Suicide rates remain high. Detransition rates have surged. Permanent hath problems for the trans victims.
A cite for your ignorance. If you read it you would be cured if ignorance, unlike the gender dysphoric.
https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/science-vs-cited-seven-studies-to
And another.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/26/after-proclaiming-the-opposite-medical-pros-quietly-admit-mutilating-trans-kids-doesnt-fix-depression/
You are part of a cult.
So Tatsuya Ishida doesn't know Settled Science when he sees it, but anonymous sockpuppets do?
I proclaim that the science is settled; henceforth thou shalt not question it or I shall deem thee a heretic, a denier, a transphobe, and a really deplorable person.
A Pew Research Center survey in 2022 found that 1.6% of the population identify as trans or nonbinary. Why is this so front and center? It seems that is being manipulated to drive a much broader agenda, which is to believe whatever the Church of Woke tells you and to sit down and shut up.
1.6% up from less than .3% ten years ago.
Trans inflation. It's what all the cool kids are doing now, or what their misguided parents are doing to them.
Interesting that, even if minors transition, they still can't buy booze or cigarettes, have sex, marry without parental permission, vote, enter into various contracts, and numerous other activities, based on what state they're in. If some in Congress have their way, the transitioned kids can't enter social media sites to meet other transitioned kids.
As I've mentioned, I have been checking out Mastodon, where for at least the most popular servers have mostly progressive members and strict rules against saying anything anti-trans. Today, I saw two posts on Mastodon accusing the New York Times of promoting "genocide".
ENB appreciates you following her around.
Isn’t that just another word for “stalking”?
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"The claim is set against the backdrop of an ongoing debate about how, and if, people who identify as transgender—particularly minors—should be permitted to transition."
You began the article with a lie.
The debate has NEVER been about whether trans adults should be permitted to transition. The debate has ALWAYS been about experimental and unproven procedures on CHILDREN.
Speak for yourself. "Transitioning" adults is also an atrocity.
> transgender girls who stave off male puberty
Sorry, I can't parse that sentence. The curse of being fluent in the English language.
I keep getting kit over the head with the assertion that Sex is not synonymous with Gender. I mostly agree, it's is not. Highly correlated to be sure, but not identical.
So why then do these same people insist on conflating these two when it serves their political interests? If sex is not gender, then why the desperate rush for pre-pubescent girls to change their sex rather than their gender? If gender is not about penises and vaginas, then why drugs to prevents those from developing, and the later surgeries to alter them?
Why is transition necessary when gender is merely a social construct?
Because the genderists are hard-core sexists who believe that one's thoughts and feelings must comport with one's physical appearance.
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Wait, doesn't Emily Bazelon still have a job as a slate podcaster. I wonder how long that will last. We've already seen what happened with Mike Pesca; though she probably brings in more money than he did, so she probably has a better chance that management will stand up to their staff.
"a phrase that vilifies transness as a disease to be feared"
Their disease is not to be feared. Poisoning and mutilating people as a "treatment" for the disease is what is to be feared.
When you accept the terminology of the enemy, you surrender.
There is no such thing as a “transgender person.” Only self-loathing gender dysphorics.
@billybinion -
I think it would be Reason-able that someone with such a clear conflict of interest would let some another colleague write the "defense" of Bazelon.
Also, you're either lazy, lying, or very stupid (probably all of the above) when you choose to defend one sentence from a 1200 word letter. Bazelon is an example, but far from the main point of the open letter. You haven't even full-defended her.
I have included the full paragraph about her article below. Please, defend the full paragraph on its merits. A reason-able request...
But, you won't bc you can't (see lazy, lying, etc. above) Better yet, tackle the entire complaint made in the open letter. You won't bc you can't (see lazy, lying, etc. above).
"... For example, Emily Bazelon’s article “The Battle Over Gender Therapy” uncritically used the term “patient zero” to refer to a trans child seeking gender-affirming care, a phrase that vilifies transness as a disease to be feared. Bazelon quoted multiple expert sources who have since expressed regret over their work’s misrepresentation. Another source, Grace Lidinksy-Smith, was identified as an individual person speaking about a personal choice to detransition, rather than the President of GCCAN, an activist organization that pushes junk science and partners with explicitly anti-trans hate groups..."
Read JesseAz's reply above. The "junk science" is not junk.
I highly recommend this link too:
https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/science-vs-cited-seven-studies-to
Thank you. Loser, @jesseAZ just remade my point in his article
All you fake libertarians are out here arguing against personal choice, individual rights, and the experts.
You sent me to a link where the guy is literally arguing against something that is supported and approved by and this is a direct quote from the article when asked who supports puberty blockers and hormone treatment.
"[Turban:] American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, I could go on and on"
Remind me, is Jesse a doctor or medical expert? NO.
Is Jesse a loser desperately trying to create a platform to voice his tired-a$$ opinions? YES
At one point Jesse, if that is his real name, says
"And in general, it’s surely better to trust major medical and psychological organizations than to reflexively distrust them. But this particular issue is complicated and politically fraught...."
Even if a medical issue is complicated and politically fraught, people, including you fake libertarians should still rely on the experts.
Sorry @truthfullness and everyone else on this chain: None of you are experts, you are arguing your opinions that are not based in science. Worst of all, you are actively trying to block the right of Americans and their families to receive medically-approved healthcare.
Pretending you are 'libertarians' and not simply bigots arguing against individual rights and science is flipping laughable.
IN A WORD, YOU ARE ALL FRAUDS. Including @billybinion
Surprised GDI gave them such a great score even without them fully embracing mutilating children.