If Republicans Want To Cut Spending, They Should Start With the Pentagon
Sen. Rand Paul says Republicans "have to give up the sacred cow" of military spending in order to make a deal that will address the debt ceiling and balance the budget.

The first major test for the new Republican majority in the House is the looming crisis involving the debt ceiling, which GOP lawmakers say they won't vote to raise unless Democrats, including President Joe Biden, agree to cut spending.
And the first major test of whether Republicans are serious about cutting spending is their ability to identify anything they'd actually be willing to cut.
So far, that part has been the problem.
Case in point, here's Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) explaining the House GOP's demands to NBC News earlier this week: "There's gotta be cuts in spending. That has to happen." So far, so good. But when a reporter followed up by asking what cuts Taylor Greene would support, the congresswoman responded by saying "I haven't really formulated an exact list."
OK, maybe that's somewhat unfair. Taylor Greene is, after all, known more for her willingness to engage in ridiculous conspiracy theories and culture warring than for her policy chops. But the same conundrum seems to afflict a wide swath of Republicans, who have so far done a better job of identifying what they refuse to cut—Social Security, Medicare, or military spending—than specifying what they'd be willing to put on the chopping block.
"Republicans have Very Serious budget demands. Unfortunately, they can't identify what any of those demands are," summarizes The Washington Post's Catherine Rampell. "Republicans say they want lower deficits—in fact, they have pledged to balance the budget (that is, no deficit at all) within seven or 10 years. But they have not laid out any plausible mathematical path for arriving at that destination."
The closest thing there is to an actual plan is a one-page document published by the Republican Study Committee. It promises to balance the federal budget by the end of the decade by making "common-sense reforms to reduce spending & the associated inflation."
What are those reforms? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The fundamental problem for Republicans is that it's virtually impossible to balance the budget without cutting entitlements or the military. In fact, you'd have to cut 85 percent of the rest of the federal budget, according to an analysis by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, which advocates for lower deficits.
As much fun as that might be to watch, it's simply not politically possible.
Which means there is only one way forward, a way outlined on Wednesday by Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.).
"We have an opportunity here. It could be done. But it would take compromise between both parties," Paul said during a brief press conference held by a group of Senate Republicans. "Republicans would have to give up the sacred cow that says we will never touch a dollar in military [spending], and the Democrats would have to give up the sacred cow that they will never touch a dollar in welfare."
Yes, Republicans. The time has come to admit that budget cuts will have to hit the Pentagon too.
As well they should. If any other department of the government couldn't account for billions of dollars in assets and had never successfully passed an audit, it would be placed right at the top of the list of wasteful spending that Republicans wanted to cut. And they'd be right to do that!
Dress a welfare program in camouflage, however, and it suddenly becomes an untouchable asset. It's unpatriotic to even suggest that perhaps military contractors shouldn't get to attach 3,800 percent markups on spare parts or that the nation will still be secure if we don't blow $1.7 trillion on new fighter jets that might never work.
Remember how we finally ended the war in Afghanistan in 2021? You wouldn't know it by looking at the military budget, which has continued increasing even as the war on terror winds down. "The Congressional Budget Office has determined that, if current trends continue, the Pentagon could receive a monumental $7.3 trillion-plus over the next decade, more than was spent during the peak decade of the Afghan and Iraq wars, when there were up to 190,000 American troops in those two countries alone," wrote William Hurtung, a senior research fellow at the Quincy Institute, which advocates for a more realistic U.S. foreign policy, last year.
Republicans need a plan to cut spending? Here's one. The Center for International Policy, a foreign policy think tank, has outlined how the military budget could be trimmed by $1.2 trillion over the next 10 years by doing stuff conservative Republicans say they want, like avoiding foreign wars and cutting bureaucracy.
These aren't radical ideas. They should be a necessary part of any discussion about reducing the deficit and managing the bloated national debt. And, unlike changes to Social Security—which should also be on the table—they wouldn't significantly impact the working-class voters that Republicans are increasingly trying to court. No one in western Pennsylvania or eastern Kentucky is going to get upset about military-industrial contractors living in Fairfax County McMansions getting slightly less wealthy over the next decade.
"Everything would have to be looked at across the board. No one has a sacred area that would be immune," Paul said. "It's a responsible thing to do."
He's right. But it can only happen if Republicans admit that protecting the military budget from possible cuts makes little fiscal or political sense.
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Can't walk and chew gum at the same time? We can have discussions on more than one topic while being serious about both.
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That, and eliminate handouts to nonproductive people. The Pentagon has 1/3 the budget percentage it had 30 years ago, and a much higher optempo. It served a purpose and employs people.
Welfare and Social Insecurity are just money wasted on the nonproductive. Cut them by 2/3 and then another 2/3 of the remainder, and then we can talk about DoD.
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It astounds me that 16 year old girls who have a baby are given free housing, medical care, food stamps, cash payments, etc. while the homeless and mentally ill are left to fend for themselves. Means tested welfare spending is more than $1.1 trillion per year. A large proportion of this sum is spent on single women with children
When the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program was eliminated in 1996 by President Clinton, he famously announced the end of welfare as we know it.
It is long past due to finally end this type of welfare. Tell young girls that if they have a baby, they are responsible for supporting it. No more support from taxpayers will be given to them. The money saved could be used to aid the homeless and mentally ill.
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My friend, Congress STEALS & redistributes appx $1.5 TRILLION of our money every year!
THAT is what Congress must cut out. Our Constitution does NOT empower Congress to do that. End of story.
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How about the Democrats cut spending on every bloated woke, pork. socialist, leftist, 10,000 page bill they introduce that no one gets to read or knows whats in it until it is passed? Seems like that would be a better place to start then defense, though defense is a good place to cut too.
But no, Reason says bashing the GOP is more important.
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That would be the same demon that ordered the Pride Flag to fly over the Afghanistan embassy.
"Sorry to be rude, but who was the deluded moron who ordered a rainbow flag to be displayed in the capital of the nation which is probably the most implacably hostile place on earth for LGBTQI+ causes?"
and when will the Welfare Cuts piece drop?
Reason's leftists will never say that.
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Trying to fix the budget by cutting defense spending while ignoring transfer payments is like putting a Band-Aid on a paper cut while bleeding from an artery.
Where does he say that the plan ignores transfer payments. The whole gist of the article is that military spending should be INCLUDED in budget cuts; not the EXCLUSIVE budget cuts. I think that's a fair statement: Dems always say "cut military not social programs". Reps always say "cut social not military". The only way to have any chance of moving forward is if someone makes a move and offers to cut their sacred cow in return for the other cutting theirs.
What will that accomplish? We're talking about a small percentage of a small percentage of total federal spending, and one of the few things the federal government does that is actually in the Constitution. That's like saying you can fix your household budget problems by changing brands of toilet paper.
Starting offensive wars in foreign countries without a Congressional declaration of war is in the Constitution?
The military is in the Constitution. What they do with it is a separate discussion.
At this point going back to no standing army is as impractical as it is impossible. Like I said below though, I'm on board with the idea of just freezing the entire budget until it balances. Then discuss priorities while keeping it balanced.
We could cut the military budget in half and still have a substantial standing army.
We've already cut it 2/3 over 1980 levels.
When can we expect even a .01% cut in welfare vote-buying?
Re standing army.
We could reduce our current spending by 50% and still be outspending all possible enemies - combined.
And the main reason that Ukraine is fighting so well is because our National Guard trained their noncoms since 2015 to be flexible and take the initiative without waiting for centralized decisions from the top.
Ukraine is now maybe the third best army in Europe (behind UK, France). They are a hell of an ally. The arms we are providing them -while they are fighting - is much much cheaper than NATO.
Anyone who thinks militia is irrelevant now because 'standing army' is lazy, stupid, incompetent at ever restraining military spending, and has no clue about the constitution
Even if defense spending is included on cuts to the rest of the discretionary budget, you will not be able to truly balance the federal budge without cutting entitlement spending.
It's like arguing over what internet speed you can afford while you're going a thousand dollars a month in debt.
Fun fact: DoD has been cut 2/3 in three decades.
They're using the same bullshit argument as "just some reasonable gun control." "Guns are unregulated, we need control." "Why can't we have gun control?"
Eliminate HHS and welfare entirely. Worthless people can work or go to Mexico.
DOD has not been cut by 2/3 in 3 decades. It's % of budget has decreased - just means the budget has ballooned faster than DOD budget. Very different.
The difference e being that the military is a constitutional responsibility of the federal government and welfare spending is not.
Are you suggesting "welfare spending" is unconstitutional?
That would sure change things.
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You hit the nail on the head. Spending needs to be cut across the board and taxes need to be raised across the board. Yet, there is absolutely no political capital on either side to do this. As such, it will never happen.
Remind me again why taxes would need to be raised across the board?
It's a pipe dream to even think that the U.S. is going to do anything about debt. Even with the current discussion, keep in mind they are still raising the debt ceiling.
Any person with half a brain realizes that this means they fully intend on spending more than they take in pretty much in perpetuity. This is pointless horse trading, at best.
NO, we need to re-calibrate money raised to what it is raised for.
What you complain about will ALWAYS be there as long as we have this : "The new omnibus bill ... is more than 4,000 pages and covers $1.7 trillion"
NO ONE can track that, and that is why they do things that way
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I'm as anti-Communist as they come but I absolutely despise all the loser Eastern European ethnicities who by their sole existence supported Bolshevism. My grandmother built the first color TV in the USSR & my grandfather built the Su-27.
My family - and that of millions of average Soviet citizens - embodies all that was great in the USSR and all the "conscious minorities" from the Transcaucasus to the Baltics embody all that was bad. Leninist scum that switched to GAE loyalism as soon as they could.
Despite my grandmother being lead engineer on the first & only USSR color TV, my family could never afford one & when my dad started working at the first McDonald's in Moscow, he earned more than his father, an accomplished engineer who built all the stuff to protect us from NATO
The USSR existed solely to exploit Russian industriousness to raise a bunch of ungrateful, irrelevant ethnic groups on Russian blood and sweat. They have never contributed anything to mankind & now present themselves as "victims", despite being the main profiteers of communism.
That’s an interesting perspective.
“The USSR existed solely to exploit Russian industriousness to raise a bunch of ungrateful, irrelevant ethnic groups”
Yeah, remember all those poor ethnic Russians in Chernobyl? The ones who a few years earlier had all their crops stolen to feed ethnic-minority cities like Leningrad and Stalingrad? Those poor beat down Russians.
Look, I get that shit is complicated, but the fucking USSR turned these people into second class citizens in their Evil Empire. The idea that this guy was making color tvs that some Ukrainian or Lithuanian was using is absolute horse shit. I don’t know what that map on his feed is showing, but it wasn’t distribution of color TVs.
Depending on how you count, the USSR spent 10 – 20% of their GDP on the military. The military that was disproportionately deployed in those border states- both to strengthen the iron curtain, and to keep the boot on the neck of those border states. It is not a shock to learn that those large amounts of forces that needed fuel and food were on the priority list.
FFS, it is not hard to say “USSR was a bunch of assholes, and their Asshole Child is merely a less bad asshole- but we don’t need to fight them.” We don’t have to constantly cast them as fucking victims.
"...protect us from NATO"
It's been obvious for quite a while that you're an ignoramus, but it wasn't obvious how abysmally ignorant you are.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Cut EVERYTHING by 1%, including entitlements. Wait for a year, do some math, and see where we are. Then repeat, until we're at break even. THEN start the fight about how to divide the pie going forward.
I'd cut every agencies administrative budget by a flat 20% for starters. Fire a few dozen vice assistant managers and not only save money but improve response times.
A lot of that could be done in a short number of years by simply not replacing retiring federal workers. The late Martin Gross wrote in detail about doing that in his book ‘National Suicide’.
Why not give back to the states what is their concern in the first place?
Do we really need unfunded mandates to build unisex bathrooms as was imposed on my state ?
Don't even have to do that. Just freeze the budget. No raises. No cost of living increases to transfer payments. No baseline budget trickery. Just freeze the budget of every government agency. Do that and the budget will be balanced in less than ten years.
That would be the easiest path forward, politically. "We're not big meanies, we're just being fiscally responsible."
If that plan had been tried 5 years ago, the budget would be balanced already.
“We’re not big meanies, we’re just being fiscally responsible.”
Except for the baseline budgeting fallacy that has everyone believing that a decrease in an increase is a cut.
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Biden want an $trillion dollar baseline budget within three years. So he (meaning those who are puppeteering him) won’t allow that. Given if such a budget were passed, good luck overriding a veto.
“$8 trillion”
Good, that means DoD is safe for the next 66 years, having already been cut as a percentage of expenditures.
Just to balance the 2023 budget, with its planned $1.2 trillion in deficit spending, we would have to cut the budget by 21%.
Let's start there.
We don't to do it in one year. We just have to change the trajectory to falling deficits.
More from the "simpler is better" school.
What will we accomplish by "breaking even"? What gold star do we get?
I like to minimize debts in my personal life for peace of mind, though I know that some indebtedness is the prudent choice. My mortgage is at 2.75%, for example. It would be foolish to pay that down when I'm making >3% even in a basic savings account.
But all debts are a credit to someone else. So when the government runs a debt, that means society, if you will, is in surplus. That's all. And if for some reason we wanted to take money away from the people, the only morally acceptable choice is to start with the excess income of the wealthy, no? Or do we have to play this shell game of reducing government debt without ever raising a cent in taxes?
Well for one thing your currency might actually be worth more than toilet paper, but you'd have to actually know a single thing about economics to realize it.
Negative savings rates have actually been a thing for quite some time now, which is one reason why retards flocked to crypto and other meaningless financial products. Sure, it's risky as fuck but all you're risking is dollars which have lost over half their value just since the 90's.
Exactly!
I have invested practically all of my wealth in bonds, which makes me the creditor. Therefore, the debt of the nation is my credit! And since everyone is probably following my investment style, government’s debt is society’s credit!
How simple!
However, you’re moralizing yet again. I would encourage you to abandon your grasp of the imaginary.
Nothing is as real as MMT.
We're running a 40% overall deficit on the budget most years, and that's not even getting into the upcoming impacts when significant portions of the $31Trillion existing debt have to be re-financed to a higher interest rate (since 90%+ of that balance has been accumulated since rates initially went to near-zero in the wake of the late-1990s financial bubble collapse).
Cutting spending 1% at a time is akin to attempting to bail water out of the Titanic with a single pint glass.
Congress could save billions by just giving the military the money they requested. Congress added $58 billion to the last request.
They could also eliminate all woke military spending. Or just do the simple thing and cleanse democrats from the deferral government. So many problems would go away.
Your devotion to democracy is impressive.
Republicans in general aren't serious about cutting spending.
But assuming they were, the Pentagon would be a difficult place to start. Given that establishment Democrats and their media cheerleaders nowadays act like the neocons they pretended to hate 10 - 20 years ago.
Hmmmmmmm, why does Rand Paul want to weaken our military when we're helping our staunch ally Ukraine defend itself against Russia? Could it be because he's on Putin's payroll?
It sucks, but that's the world we live in now.
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The problem is that they're not actually just funding a military and everyone knows it.
Instead they're funding a giant jobs, healthcare and pension program.
Its FDR's Works Progress Administration in a military uniform.
Does our resident AWFL really think the left/establishment is anti Russia because Hillary lost???
Holy shit!
No, the establishment republicans aren’t serious about cutting spending. Most real republicans would at least freeze the budget.
The problem with this “compromise” is that you might not view welfare, Medicare, or Medicaid as a legitimate function of the government, while military or defense is one of the few legitimate functions of government. Even if you think defense spending is too high or uncontrolled, you shouldn’t have to compromise spending on legitimate purposes in order to remove spending on illegitimate purposes.
Why not start with cutting literally every federal dollar spent on education? Literally all of them: universities, preschool, primary school, all of it. There’s no legitimate power for the federal government to run schools.
Starting offensive wars in foreign countries is not a legitimate function of government.
I didn't say that it was. That doesn't address my principled stance that military spending, in general, is more appropriate for federal dollars than the most justified dollar we spend on public education or creating a social safety net.
I reject the idea that there is such a thing as "military spending in general". The legitimacy of military spending depends on how it's used.
The legitimacy of military spending also strongly depends on how we might be *forced* to use it by a war we do not want and do not start.
Our military spending is way below past levels, as a percentage of GDP or of total federal spending. As a result, we have a Pentagon that has to try to get by with fewer platforms, resulting in those platforms having to be highly effective and survivable. Meanwhile, the Chinese, who seek world domination just like the old USSR, are building forces act a rate we cannot hope to reach, have a navy far larger than ours - and we are a maritime superpower.
Real threats are there. The Ukraine war shows that one cannot wish them away.
There's no doubt that the Pentagon is wasteful and needs reforming (although the congressiona DoDl budget games are a bigger problem). All government operations are. But it is at least doing a function necessary to our very existence as a nation, and one recognized as such by our founders.
"...Real threats are there. The Ukraine war shows that one cannot wish them away..."
And the Euros should take note of that.
Russia is no direct threat to the US and we should offer moral support alone.
I must have missed it in the article. Which Dems are clamoring to have military spending cut in their distrIcts/states?
They're right over there next to the Republicans who are demanding the same thing.
*points to an empty corner*
Precisely.
Not found in articles title: "If Democrats Want To Cut Spending"
Because they never do.
Of course. Republicans are always to blame if they can’t stop democrat bullshit. Democrats are blameless of course. I had this argument with some democrat idiot about how Trump didn’t accomplish anything. Which I picked apart, pointing out that the things he didn’t get done were largely due to people like him and Republican establishment traitors like ‘root and branch’ McConnell.
Why wouldn't they start with the item that is actually the majority of the spending: Entitlements?
Most entitlements are at the state and local level. Your welfare check, for example, come from your county.
But if you want to cut Social Security (and it's conjoined twin Medicare), be my guest. Republicans have already said it's off the table, however.
In the meantime, the military budget is the single largest discretionary budget area. Can't find one Abrams tank to cut? Really? Can't reduce the size of the standing army of even one solder? Really?
Republicans have already said it’s off the table
WELL THEN. I guess if our benevolent overlords have decided that something is OFF THE TABLE then that's that. We can't criticize that decision at all because it's a two party system and we've got to vote for one of them.
No, you don't. I vote for an individual, not a party. If there is nobody on the ballot I can support I DO NOT VOTE. Choosing the lesser of two evils is supporting evil, which is what we now have runnug our federal government ON BOTH SIDES.
"Most entitlements are at the state and local level. Your welfare check, for example, come from your county."
Which, of course, is totally irrelevant. Thank you, brandyshit, for proving your stupidity once again.
Entitlement spending might be distributed at the county level, but the accounts those checks draw from are filled with Federal funds.
As long as the total of "discretionary" spending is less than the total of the deficit, there's no version of cutting defense spending (which makes up about 65-70% of the Discretionary budget despite being one of the few functions of the Federal Government enumerated in the Constitution) that will amount to a serious solution to the overall problem.
This is like saying a doctor should start treating the cancer in the liver and ignore the cancer inside the lungs. Another excellent example of how the typical libertarian mind works.
A doctor will treat both of them, because both cancers are deadly. If the Republican can't find one dollar to cut in the largest single outlay we have, then fuck them.
They have. There’s plenty to cut in entitlement spending.
"If the Republican can’t find one dollar to cut in the largest single outlay we have, then fuck them."
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Defense and homeland security = 16.2% of spending.
It's not the largest outlay. It's about $750 billion, other "non-discretionary spending" is $915 billion. Social Security is $1.2 trillion.
At least 50% of the "other" NDS is easily cut but no one will even mention it because it buys more campaign contributions than everything else combined.
And cancel that shipment of Abrams to Ukraine just as things are starting to heat up?
It will take months or even a year to actually get any tanks there, and by then the war will be over. The promise of the tanks is just posturing. Russia will take over all of Ukraine in the next few months.
Yes, Putin has finally decided to stop losing the war. So now he will win it. Simples.
The one Abrams we should deploy is Stacy Abrams. Just drop her on Moscow and it’s game over. It would be the ultimate MOAB.
Cut it all 10% across the board.
Can't tell us what cuts you would do? Then fuck it, 10% off everything across the board.
33%. That would only take spending back to 2018 levels.
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I would start with all the unconstitutional spending first.
Now Boehm, please tell us the plan Democrats have. I'm waiting while the crickets are chirping.
"We must cut defense spending, yet at the same time we must continue to give Ukraine an unlimited blank-check in perpetuity. Because Vladimir Putin is the new Hitler, he must be defeated at all costs even at the risk of World War III and we unconditionally support all wars that CNN and our most venerated petsonal godhead Block Insane Yomomma support"
-The fugazi libertarians gaslighting progressives of Reason.
Start with everything. Spending has increased by 50% in the past 5 years, from 4 trillion a year to 6 trillion, and there's no good reason for it. The government was too big 5 years ago. Tax revenues are around 4 trillion, so cutting spending back to 2018 levels would balance the budget right away.
Obviously, the interest on the national debt has gone up (both in principal and interest rate), so that can't be cut, and Medicare and Social Security are a political hot potato, but everything else should get chopped, mercilessly. Start with the government payroll. Get rid of everyone of was deemed "non-essential" in the last shutdown. Switch all new employees to 401k plans instead of pensions.
Too many responses along the lines of, "yes, we should cut...lots of things", or "but the Democrats".
Sure, there are other issues and the Democrats are no doubt hypocrites, but the fact is defence expenditures can and should be cut drastically, the Pentagon is a black hole for $$$, and everything else is a deflection.
Does anyone here recall the "peace dividend"? Yeah, well...
We absolutely should cut defense spending.
It's just that cutting literally anything else leads to Democrats proclaiming that the evil Republicans want to starve grandma. For literally any other fucking thing in the budget.
Why are Dems never --- literally never --- asked to spell out "Besides defense, what ELSE would you be willing to cut?"
Why are Dems never — literally never — asked to spell out “Besides defense, what ELSE would you be willing to cut?”
Because no one wants to go on the record saying grandma's check is, in fact, too big for the country to afford. The veracity of the statement is immaterial. It doesn't matter if it's true. It's political suicide, and if there's one thing pols value more than... well just about anything really, the very thing they value most is staying in office.
"Sure, there are other issues and the Democrats are no doubt hypocrites, but the fact is defence expenditures can and should be cut drastically, the Pentagon is a black hole for $$$, and everything else is a deflection."
Lefty shit checks in.
Hey, jackass, defense =~16% of the budget; you are a deflection.
Reason: "Cut defense spending."
Also Reason: "Free Ukraine and destroy Putin."
Germany announced it’s at war with Russia, probably not a good time to be cutting defense budgets.
Where in the USA is Germany located?
NATO
Fuck NATO
I agree, but treaties are treaties.
And marriages are marriages.
Treaties are usually agreements between men.
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Treaties can be torn up.
Yeah, that’s a smart idea. That kind of thinking has benefitted adherence to our constitution.
What do treaties have to do with the constitution? Or was that the best bit of bullshit you could find on short order?
That we can just tear up an agreement. As a matter of principle.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_NATO
Take the US out of NATO; it no longer has a purpose for the US.
Get enough votes to do that, and away you go!
I presume that was meant as an intelligent comment?
Fail. Fuck off and die, asshole.
There is a MAJOR difference between National-Welfare and a National-Military….
One is the JOB of the Union of State’s government (its very reason for existing) and the other IS-NOT and is actually a violation of the people’s law over them.
But Yes; Even though the Union of State’s can’t even seem to do their most BASIC-JOBS (i.e. reasons for existing) it certainly isn’t a funding issue.
Republicans cutting spending?
Good one.
It would be the first time.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
I can imagine your eulogy. "He defended the Republican party and called people pedophiles."
Shrike posted CP links. Are you on record as defending that?
Oh, are you the one who admitted clicking on those links?
That guy never seems to show up!
More whining from lefty shit!
The Trump Administration CUT spending on the EPA pretty good and low and behold here comes your party screaming and yelling about it.
If Republicans wanted to cut spending, they could have done it from 2000-2006, but they added 85%, nearly doubling it. They had all 3 branches. Or from 2016-2019, but they didn't they doubled deficits and increased spending by a trillion dollars per year pre pandemic. Republicans don't want to cut spending, they want to cripple a Democratic President. It's too bad, it would be nice to have a fiscally conservative party.
Republicans controlled the house in 2016 and 2019?
“doubled deficits and increased spending by a trillion dollars per year pre pandemic”
Where do you people get your blatant LIES?
The deficit never even saw $1T during Trumps administration and the largest increase was after Democrats took the house. And 87% of the Trumps massive Cares Act spending was written by Democrats.
Out in tra-la-la-land I guess it isn't the Democrats who push constantly for MORE, MORE, MORE government entitlements??? Lies, Lies and More Lies endlessly.
This article is mostly BS. If my neighbor's water heater leaks, he has to pay to fix it, and not send me the bill. And vice versa.
So? The federal government has an obligation to defend our borders. It has NO obligation to make sure we all get healthcare, food, housing, and a fundamentally nice life.
And, let's just axe BOTH parties. They're the problem.
I’m all for cleansing this county of the left. Whatever masks or titles they wear.
That's an arbitrary policy choice. Most of us are much more threatened by health problems than a hypothetical invasion. Why should we lavish our money on the latter and ignore the former? What principle is at play?
The difference is that legitimate functions of government are things that can only be accomplished collectively. Most of us are capable of providing for our own food, clothing and shelter, and for those who can't, there are ways of providing for most of them without the use of coercion. On the other hand, we can't all start our own armies. National defense can be accomplished only through government.
Well Said......... But also adding the note that national defense of a nation is a thing that is important enough to require Armed-Theft to ensure it's existence. The USA would not exist without a national defense.
Same with universal affordable healthcare.
Same bullshit from shitbag.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
I'm taking donations...
How universal and affordable would you like to make my healthcare? Common Tony; Why don't you put *YOUR* labors/earning where your big fat CRIMINAL mentality lies?
Or better yet - hope you're in the healthcare industry. How about you just come be my SLAVE by the point of a Gov-Gun? SLAVERY is sooooo awesome according to you because I have neeeeedss...
The materialization of your mentality belongs in jail Tony right along the other 70%+ Democrats who find themselves rightfully in prison for finally getting caught for self-entitled TAKE, TAKE, TAKE from those people intentions..
We're all paying exorbitant healthcare costs for no reason other than the healthcare and insurance industries in America are a high-tech cartel. That's the tyranny you should be angry about, the fact that you live in the one country on earth too weak to stand up to a system that monetizes our health problems for profit.
“That’s the tyranny”? – Healthcare service providers don’t pack around Gov-Guns of tyranny for sales. Seems you’ve misplaced your anger.
It humorous to hear you pretend the Healthcare industry is too monopolized ( ‘cartel’ ) while you’re pitching to monopolize it under !!!-ONE-!!! entity (i.e. Gov) which also shoots people if they don’t pay.
One would think you’d learn something from the last umpteenth time the Gov-Guns just had to make Healthcare “affordable” or housing “affordable” or etc, etc, etc…….
STUPID doing the same exact thing over and over and over again and expecting results to be different this time.
Yet before Gov-Gun involvement ( Today; Dentistry is the perfect example ) healthcare would come to your house for the price of a pizza.
At the end of the day; Under all the BS sales pitches the only thing the leftard is looking to do is STEAL from others with Gov-Guns what they don’t want to *EARN*.
So of course their UN-paid accounts ( CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ) ends up being a huge burden on us all. The more they get away with the harder it gets.
Every leftard in a nutshell right there.............
Why should [we] lavish ?????????? [our] ?????????? money?
Geez; the left is so full of themselves they think they own the world.
The reps collectively don't give a crap about cutting spending. It's all the uniparty suckin each others d's. Now the reps elected Ronna to lead them. 4 failures wasn't enough. What's the point anymore? When the reps in 2016 had both houses and the presidency, WHAT DID THEY DO? NOT a F-ing thing. They couldn't even revise obamacare, one of the most detested and destructive pieces of legislation in history. Many voted to impeach THEIR president. They let the dems walk all over them again and again and again. You will see it again shortly when they cave in on the debt ceiling.. they have already telegraphed that. They handed over control when they NEEDLESSLY passed the omnibus budget bill.. McConnel greased the skids so the dems could shove it up his ass. They don't know how to be anything but losers.
There's lies, damn lies, and statistics.
The lies in the article would fill an article. Have to cut 85% of the rest of the budget to break even if you didn't touch the military? Lie. Only looks at "discretionary" spending. Ignores that discretionary is 25% off total spending.
The line about F35 costing $1.7 trillion? That's over 50 years and over 2000 planes. It replaced 3 or 4 other types planes with "1" type. Off course the total cost is more. You're literally replacing multiple other aircraft with one. You really think it'll cost the same?
Yes the Pentagon has bloat. Much of it is congressionally mandated in law. Pointing out statistics like this is useless.
I would guess that a lot of the "missing" money ends up going to the CIA, off budget aid to friendly nations and other similar programs. Any not going there is probably skimmed by corrupt politicians like Biden. Then, there is the waste of training soldiers on CRT and gender theory. Those things are not what they are for, they need to be trained to efficiently kill our enemies if needed.
Cutting the military just to cut without knowing what is being cut is a ticket to servitude.
On the other hand, it is pretty easy to discern that the behemoth in DC with mega useless but high minded sounding departments loaded with drones like "education" are sewers that hurt our economy and we could easily live without. The example of the department of Ed is a particularly good one as this a a local function, not a one size fits all national command dictatorship function.
off budget aid to friendly nations
Or to hostile nations.
As an added bonus to cutting federal spending...much of the governments' procurement and program spending and grants come with strings attached for compliance with all the social engineering crap.
Considering the "wokening' of the military, conservatives should have no problem slicing off a big piece of the defense pie. General Milley is the poster boy for a military whose primary purpose is now social justice rather than national defense. First thing they need to do is retire a whole bunch of military brass.
Do you have any thoughts that aren't supplied to you by some degenerate aging frat douche on FOX News?
Bizarre how white boys want everything to themselves including the glory of being cannon fodder.
I've begun seeing human society as not conservative vs. liberal, but stupid vs. smart. Stupid people's brains haven't learned that we live in a different environment from where they evolved, so the only threats they are capable of understanding are those that come in the form of human agents. It's faces in clouds.
Clearly, in the United States, the threat of armed invasion is next to nonexistent, while the threat from climate change is imminent and calamitous. But the latter must be too science-y for conservatives to wrap their tiny heads around. Only men with clubs coming for their daughters count as a social problem. You see it infused in their every political belief.
Boring. Try harder.
LMAO… UR the stupid kind Tony… Do you think the massive GUNS threatening the weather keeps it from changing????? Do you Tony? Seriously??? Are you the Smart one or the stupid one?
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the weather.. And even if there is ever something wrong with it; it won’t be because of man who didn’t make fire he only discovered it. And believe you me nature dumps more pollutant via forest fires and volcano’s than man could even DARE TO DREAM of doing.
If you had even a speckle of 'brain' on the subject you could easily conclude nuclear would be the biggest threat. Chernobyl wasn't locked down as uninhabitable for 50-years because Mr. muffler man refused to stop cutting catalytic converters out of cars.
Then again; You've already given away your 'Smarts' on the matter come from Hollywood horror movies.
Makes sense. You’re stupid, and try to argue with all the smarter people here. So I can see that from your perspective as a dumb person that you would frame your bothersome bleating in that way.
CONSTITUTIONAL USA ————> Is the answer to it all… Stop ignoring the people’s law over their government. It’s exactly what is suppose to ensure everyone’s Liberty and Justice.
If the Supreme Court wasn’t such hacks and enforced the Supreme Law this nation wouldn’t be in the mess it is today. Instead its a constant manipulation and deception conquering the USA for a National Sozialist (Nazi)-Empire via [WE] mob RULES democracy entitle-me voting and just like all Nazi and Communist Nations of the past it will destroy this nation too.
The dumbest Nazi-Propaganda this nation ever bought as a whole was that 'democracy' is what made the USA great. The USA is NOT a democracy; It's a CONSTITUTIONAL Republic. Ignore or play ignorant to what the USA *IS* and now we've got a whole other nation going on.
LIMIT THE FEDERAL BUDGET TO AN INCREASE OF 2% PER YEAR.
This will, in effect, shrink the budget by 1% per year, or more. Worry about specific cuts later.
On the other hand: as long as congress is populated by individuals who worry more about getting reelected than they do about the nation, deficit spending will never end.
The country is bankrupt. We missed our chance to fix it. End the FED. Cut spending across the board. We need far more than a ballanced budget, we need to pay down the massive debt. Won't happen, seems we'd rather have another civil war first. The two parties have everything split pretty even now. The banksters control the money supply. We wil deserve what is coming. God help us all.
The debt is manageable if they stop adding to it. Spending needs to be cut about 30% across the board, since it increased by 50% in just the past 5 years. Cutting spending to 2018 levels would balance the budget right now.
Current Debt? $31T? 31T/159M working citizens = $194,968/ea
And if Republicans had nominated Rand Paul instead of Trump, we wouldn't have a 31.5 trillion dollar national debt right now. But Republicans don't care that much about cutting spending.
LOL - wrong. If Republicans had nominated Rand Paul instead of Trump, Hillary Clinton would be President.
Hillary Clinton was the only candidate capable of losing to Trump and Trump was a terrible candidate. HRC would have lost to Rand Paul unless the Romney forces did to Paul what Romney's despicable father, George Romney, did to Barry Goldwater. Trump and HRC had the lowest approval ratings that two opposing candidates ever had for a presidential election.
Trump can never accept the fact that he lost an election to a senile old fart who literally hid in the basement for most of the campaign. Trump is a lifetime loser as he continued to prove by his picks for the Senate all of whom, except Vance, were wiped out. His pick for Pennsylvania lost to a brain damaged socialist.
The Rime of the Ancient Republican:
"Instead of the cross, the Orange Boss
About my neck was hung"
"Hillary Clinton was the only candidate capable of losing to Trump and Trump was a terrible candidate..."
You left out that he was a wonderful POTUS, You know that, right?
Anyone would look good if put in between the two worst presidents in my lifetime, Obama and Biden.
Trump was good on taxes and deregulation. His foreign policy looked nuts, but it was far better than Obama or Biden. No new wars made him unique among the last 5 presidents.
He doesn't understand trade which was his greatest failing.
You do realize the US taxpayer was subsidizing foreign trade before Trump came along right? Is the only correct way to make foreign trade 0% tax and domestic trade 50% tax?
I'm fully aware of the Export Import Bank (Boeing's Bank) and the subsidies for foreign trade. We should set tariffs to zero for all English speaking countries and suspend all trade with China.
Then pass a law requiring all regulatory agencies to respond within thirty days in a civil court (not their own administrative court) with their objections to issuing a permit for drilling, mining etc. Unless they can convince a civil court of the danger, the permit is issued. If they fail to respond within 30 days, the permit is granted and is irrevocable.
Waitaminnit! What's this about the girl-bullier Comstockist Randal and Daddy Ronnie Reagan Paul being card-carrying, Republican Party Grabber-Of-Pussy Christian National Socialists?? I mean, Dave, Spikey, Boothead and the entire anarco-communist and anarco-fascist Lootveeg fon Meeses AfD-Rottbutt Caucus have been telling us for years these looters--and Just-in-time Amish--are all pro-choice Libertarians and NOT 5th-column Trumpanzee infiltraitors!! Whut'z tha DEAL??
Don't use Google Translate anymore.
McCarthy Shreds Top Democrats Over Omnibus: They’re Saying There’s ‘No Waste In Government’ Spending
“The only person who is getting in the way right now, is the president and Schumer,” McCarthy said. “They won’t even pass a budget. They won’t even negotiate. We have now til June. I want to make sure we have something responsible, something that we can move forward on and something that we can balance our debt with.”
Reason: One party is trying to cut spending, the other party denies we have a spending problem. As libertarians that hate taxes and say all taxes are theft, let's shred the party trying to reduce spending!
You can't criticize Beelzebub because at least he's better than Satan.
When the largest driver of current deficits, to the tune of something like $14 trillion by 2025, are Republican tax cuts, maybe we start there. They accomplished nothing but driving Gilded Age-levels of wealth concentration. The other major driver of deficits are the elective wars America started under Bush. So there's plenty to cut before we start stealing food from old people's mouths, but that of course is what Republicans are itching to do.
That was Bill Clinton Tony.
https://www.freedomworks.org/press/clintons-3-trillion-raid-on-social-security/
A few points:
Cutting $1.2Trillion over a decade is well and good, but it's barely a start into fixing deficits that are amounting to that much or more every year.
Defense spending cuts would only be a step toward "compromise" if the Dem party actually wanted them. In the last 10 years or more, when Dems have controlled the House of Representives (or the whole of Congress), DoD appropriations have almost always exceeded the amount requested by the Executive Branch. Claiming they want to cut that department plays well with their more ideological voters during campaign season, but the pols in office know that those voters have conditioned themselves to pretend that words are actions and actions are to be ignored.
Linking to a report from 2016 to question whether a plane that was used in a combat role in 2018 "will ever be ready" might be a bit out of date in the year 2023. Even Miss Cleo had to update her predictions every few years.
First off republicans are liars, Second social security is a retirement program and medicare /medicaid are insurance programs. Entitlement programs are subsidies to the oil and gas industry, corporate farms, utility companies, airlines, auto industry, banks, big pharma, the rich (tax cuts),service corporations such as halliburton, the weapons industries with all their balloon contracts, etc. Now let us start there for honest conversations. Maybe progress could then be made.
Oh no, the Pentagon is NOT the place to start. Let's start by eliminating everything not specifically required by the Constitution and zeroing out the funding.
Get Rid Of: Department of Education, Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Transportation, Department of Labor, Department of Housing and Urban Development, Department of Energy, etc. NONE of which are constitutionally required and in most cased not really legitimate for the Federal Government.
The constitution requires that the Federal Government provide for the common defense, so it may be wasteful, but it is actually a legitimate role for the feds.
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