No Matter the 'Details on These Shootings,' Biden Says, Congress Should Respond by Banning 'Assault Weapons'
The president seems to have forgotten his concession that such laws leave murderers with plenty of options that are "just as deadly."

Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna says the gunman who killed 11 people at a dance hall in Monterey Park, California, on Saturday used a "9mm caliber semiautomatic MAC-10 assault weapon." Citing "a law enforcement official," CNN reports that the gun was "a Cobray M11 9mm semi-automatic weapon," which is modeled after the MAC-10 but unlike the military version fires just one round per trigger pull.
Police say the gunman who killed seven people at two farms in Half Moon Bay, California, two days after the Monterey Park massacre used a legally purchased semi-automatic handgun. So far they have not specified the make and model.
Do these details matter? Yes but also no, judging from President Joe Biden's response to the two mass murders.
"Yesterday, Senator Feinstein—alongside Senators Murphy, Blumenthal and others— reintroduced a federal Assault Weapons Ban and legislation that would raise the minimum purchase age for assault weapons to 21," Biden said on Tuesday. "Even as we await further details on these shootings, we know the scourge of gun violence across America requires stronger action."
Regardless of what "further details" might reveal, in other words, Biden thinks banning "assault weapons," or at least restricting their sale to people 21 or older, is a rational response to these crimes. As he sees it, "stronger action" is obviously necessary, even if that action is not logically related to the incidents that prompted his statement.
In the context of the two California shootings, the age restriction Biden mentioned is clearly a non sequitur. The Monterey Park murderer, who killed himself before he could be arrested, was 72. The Half Moon Bay suspect is 66.
It's true those attackers were unusually old. "The median age of mass shooters in the United States"—defined as assailants who kill four or more people—"is 32," criminologists Jillian Peterson and James Densley report. Prior to the recent California attacks, they note, the median age was declining: "From 1980 to 1989, the median age of mass shooters was 39. Over the next two decades, it was 33. And from 2010 to 2019, it was 29. Since 2020, the median age of mass shooters has come down to just 22."
Last June, The New York Times reported that "only two of the 30 deadliest mass shootings recorded from 1949 to 2017 involved gunmen younger than 21." But in the nine deadliest mass shootings since 2018, the Times noted, four of the perpetrators were younger than 21.
Those trends help explain why Biden and his allies in Congress are focusing on 18-to-20-year-old gun buyers, notwithstanding the ages of the California gunmen. But perpetrators younger than 21 still account for a relatively small share of all mass murderers, who typically are in their 20s or 30s. More to the point, restricting access to "assault weapons," whether through an age limit or a general ban, can reasonably be expected to have a meaningful impact on mass shootings only if those firearms are uniquely suitable for killing large numbers of people.
Biden himself has conceded that they are not. In a 2019 New York Times essay, he complained that manufacturers "circumvent[ed]" the 1994 federal "assault weapon" ban, which expired in 2004, by "making minor modifications to their products—modifications that leave them just as deadly." In other words, the distinctions drawn by the law had no practical significance for murderers, because they had plenty of equally lethal alternatives.
The same thing is true of the new, supposedly improved Feinstein bill that Biden touted this week. It would ban a long list of specific models, along with firearms that fit general definitions. A semi-automatic rifle that accepts detachable magazines, for example, would qualify as an "assault weapon" under Feinstein's bill if it has a pistol grip, a forward grip, a folding or adjustable stock, a barrel shroud, or a threaded barrel. But removing those features does not affect a rifle's fundamental capabilities: With or without them, it fires the same ammunition at the same rate with the same muzzle velocity. It is "just as deadly," as Biden put it in 2019.
Times reporters Holly Secon, Shawn Hubler, David W. Chen, and
Like the California killers, most mass shooters use handguns rather than rifles. And unlike the pistol used in the Monterey Park attack, those handguns usually do not qualify as "assault weapons." What's the difference?
Under Feinstein's bill, any of these features transforms a pistol into an "assault weapon": a threaded barrel, a second pistol grip, a barrel shroud, a stabilizing brace, or "the capacity to accept a detachable ammunition feeding device at some location outside of the pistol grip." California's definition is essentially the same.
As many mass shooters have demonstrated, a murderer does not need any of those features to kill a large number of people. Several of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history—including the 2007 Virginia Tech attack, which killed 32 people, and the 1991 Luby's massacre, which killed 23—involved ordinary handguns.
Police said the handgun used in Half Moon Bay was "legally purchased," which indicates that it did not qualify as an "assault weapon" under California law, assuming the transaction was relatively recent. But it seems the Cobray pistol used in Monterey Park also was legally purchased. Citing "two law enforcement officials briefed on the matter," the Times reports that that the gunman bought the pistol "in the 1990s," before California expanded its definition of "assault weapons" to cover more handguns.*
California's ban grandfathered previously owned guns, and so would Feinstein's bill, which is another reason to be skeptical about the practical impact of such laws. Americans own an estimated 20 million rifles that would be covered by Feinstein's ban, and that figure does not include pistols that meet her criteria. The fact that the guns she wants to ban are "in common use" for "lawful purposes" also makes such a law hard to defend against a constitutional challenge.
"Liberals have focused too much on banning assault weapons," New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof writes. "What we call assault rifles probably account for fewer than 7 percent of guns used in crimes and only a small share of suicides, and they have repeatedly proved difficult to define. California banned assault weapons, for example, yet manufacturers promptly designed and began selling California-compliant weapons that are almost the same as those that are banned but are technically legal."
That "fewer than 7 percent" estimate, which comes from a 2018 Journal of Urban Health article, includes any criminal use of guns. When it comes to deadly violence, the role of "assault weapons" is even smaller. In 2019, according to the FBI's numbers, rifles of any sort, only a subset of which would qualify as "assault weapons," were used in less than 3 percent of gun homicides where the type of firearm was identified.
"Rifles are known to have been used in 364 homicides in 2019, and shotguns in 200 homicides," Kristof notes. "Both were less common homicide weapons than knives and other cutting objects (1,476 homicides) or even hands and feet (600 homicides)." The FBI reported 6,368 homicides involving handguns.
"I still believe in tightly restricting AR-15-style weapons," Kristof adds, "because they play a significant role in mass shootings." But the definitional problem he notes—that the guns "assault weapon" bans allow are "almost the same" as the ones they prohibit—is no mere quibble. That point, which is the same problem that Biden described in 2019, goes to the heart of the claim that such laws make any sense at all.
*CORRECTION: California's original "assault weapon" ban, enacted in 1989, covered several specific handgun models and pistols with fixed magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. A law that took effect in 2000 included additional prohibited features.
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Criminalize lying and Biden will be behind bars.
Do you think outlawing lying contradicts the first amendment?
Do you also think criminalizing irresponsible gun use violates the second amendment?
Do you think, period?
What is it with you people and your non sequiturs?
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Oh, you meant in a carnal way.
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Have you ever wondered why every topic becomes a rant about a Nazi meme with these jokers who can’t refute what they deny or prove what they claim?
It’s so repetitious and leaves no room for critical thinking.
Research brainwashing.
https://www.wikihow.com/Recognize-and-Avoid-Brainwashing
This is how I clearly and unambiguously ensure that what I say represents truth, reality.
I value the inalienable human right to free speech.
I value the supremacy of correctly applied logic and science in discerning and demonstrating truth aka reality.
I value the application of both in open debate to conclude and demonstrate that truth can never be refuted while untruths can be.
I commit that if what I say is ever refuted, I’ll never say it again.
Who else can honestly say this and back it up as I do?
Does this represent the character of your Nazi fairytale bogeyman?
That’s all great, but you’re the Jew hating bigot who’s always ranting. Lest I need to remind you, that is why everyone calls you a Nazi.
I hate the coercion called lying.
Jews have chosen lying for the religion that defines them.
Let’s all criminalize lying together.
People who claim that I’m a Nazi can’t prove their claims. You’re lying.
You bleat naaazi like brainwashed sheeple who lie, can’t refute what you deny or prove what you claim.
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The Clinton’s botched land deal and Alec Baldwin’s acting have each killed more people than my AR15.
I've never owned a contemporaneous stock, a single "pile" of ammo, all calibers combined, that matches the number of deaths that Cuomo concealed.
And so has that handgun some Federal agent left in the back seat of his (seemingly unlocked) government car which was opened and the gun taken.. and used to kill an innocent woman walking on the pier near Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco, right?
"I still believe in tightly restricting AR-15-style weapons," Kristof adds, "because they play a significant role in mass shootings."
now do automobiles. it's a fact that 100% of drunk driving deaths are caused by moving vehicle. Think about it.
Which is why new cars will eventually all come with a breathalyzer, only starting when you demonstrate you aren't drunk.
(I wish I were kidding, but it's inevitable)
sarc will find some device on Alibaba that fools the breathalyzer that he is sober.
I still love your letter from him to Colt 45. Made me laugh much harder than I should have.
Sarc the herald angels sing,
Limp from booze, his ding-a-ling;
Peace on earth and mercy mild,
He bitch slapped his only child.
So drunk that he cannot rise,
So shitfaced there’s no disguise;
With a forty in each hand,
Blackouts each day are his plan;
Sarc the herald angels sing,
Limp from booze, his ding-a-ling.
Well done Chum.
Brilliant!
so would some creative wiring to sidestep the device. If we were eventually forced to pay for such devices on all our cars, that's precisely what I'd do. I refuse to bow down and worship the gummit nannie.
Right to repair? Not on Uncle Nanny's watch!
Pretty sure Reason did an article on legislation that demands exactly that by some year.
Cars? No cars Kulak- public transport will come with breathalyzers
Must be drunk to ride the bus?
The government-mandated "kill switch" will most likely morph into a government permission switch. You'll be allowed to drive you car only when and where the government permits you to...you'll have to file a "flight plan" and get approval to even start your car. Deviate from the plan and your car will be shutdown.
The president seems to have forgotten
Umm...
There's a whole list of things he's forgotten. He can't remember anything after Number 2.
Can't figure out which Number 2 you're talking about. Do you mean Kamala or what comes shortly before a flush of his throne?
Oh, I understand now, it's a distinction without a difference.
Does he remember to flush? Or even to wipe?
in fairness, he doesnt really remember number 2 either, they just casually happen in his diaper and someone cleans him up eventually
There was a military MAC-11, it just fired .380 ACP instead of .45 like the MAC-10. The version that fired 9mm was the MAC-11/9.
But at any rate, it's a semi-automatic version of the gun that was used.
"I still believe in tightly restricting AR-15-style weapons," Kristof adds, "because they play a significant role in mass shootings."
Um, no, Nicholas Kristof, AR-15 type weapons are not a significant player in mass shootings.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/
Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 158 different handguns being used in 108 incidents between 1982 and January 2023. These figures are calculated from a total of 138 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 78 percent of mass shootings.
Also, blue states seem to lead the pack in number of mass shootings. The number in Florida and Texas combined is less than the number in California alone.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/811541/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-state/
They may be crazy, but they ain't stupid.
Texans and Floridians have a tendency to shoot back, and shoot straight.
Suspect the state's judiciary may have something to do w/ it as well. Catch & release vs prison.
I've been thinking about getting a 10/22 and one of those bullpup kits. Wonder if that would qualify as an assault weapon.
No. BX-25 mags would*.
If you enjoy mashing the foam or sand-filled stress balls, bullpup kits are generally OK. If you like a light take up and/or crisp break, I have yet to find one that does it.
*Results may vary State-to-state and year-to-year.
Thanks for pointing that out. It's a small but important detail.
Check out Jason Bourne over here.
No, Jason Bourne is the name of the guy I lent all my "high capacity" magazines to when IL banned them. Or was it David Webb?
I should also note, for irony purposes, the “10/22” connotes what would now be considered a pretty open platform based on the Ruger 10/22.
William Ruger being the man who said, “No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun.” and then proposed that, rather than ban assault weapons because the term was arbitrary, Congress should ban high capacity magazines.
What a dick.
If you live in Washington State any 10/.22 IS by legal definition an "assault weapon". I went to bed on election night not owiing one "assault weapon". Without leaving the house nor spending a dime I woke up the next morning owning half a dozen of them.
Hoodathunkitt?
Got a cite? I haven't seen anything that directly or indirectly touches a vanilla, off-the-shelf 10/22. If it's got a threaded barrel, you put it in an extra-evil SR-556-style stock, or you keep it stashed with the 25+ round magazines, you may be right. But the federal law and the laws I've seen patterned after it are generally OK with rimfire, sporter-style stock, with <11 rd. capacity.
I, of course, wouldn't recommend you go around advertising all the weapons you've got stashed away but, given how they like to save time by copying each others' work, I'd be interested in reading the text of the bill.
"I’ve been thinking about getting a 10/22 and one of those bullpup kits. Wonder if that would qualify as an assault weapon."
AFAIK, all "assault weapons" laws apply to centerfire weapons, not rimfire.
I have Volquartzen trigger on my 10/22. I can unload a 10-round in a bit over three seconds. With the BX-25, a target-grade barrel, and a nice scope, that 10/22 is a hoot to shoot. I will not give up that trigger for a bull-pup, as much as I like them. A folding stock keeps the rifle "sorta" short.
That is incorrect, most "assault weapons" bans apply to rimfire as well as centerfire. What is often exempted are attached tubular magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
Depending on how loosely it's defined a vanilla 10/22 might be banned as having a "barrel shroud." For example IL's recently passed ban defines it so loosely that any normal rifle could be considered to have a barrel shroud.
I've been looking at the Ruger 10/22 TD type since the disassembly-style AR-7 made Reason's Christmas Wish List last month.
https://ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/specSheets/11100.html
Nothing new here. The Democrats should stick to abolishing indoor plumbing, individual kitchens and private transportation (in favor of public communal shared spaces in barracks type military tents with pod beds attached).
Why not, after the midterms it seems the majority of Americans doesn’t give a shit if the U.S. becomes organized crime cartel ruled Juarez or Mogadishu with some facism or corporate welfare thrown in for good measure. Just tax the rich, right?
Yellen, the worst treasury and fed chair in U.S. History, was in Africa yesterday. Playing fiddle while Rome burns.
It was a handgun and not an AR15 assault style assault rifle with a high capacity clip that murdered Ashli Babbitt.
There was a murder conviction?
the ar15 does not use a clip
"I still believe in tightly restricting AR-15-style weapons," Kristof adds, "because they play a significant role in mass shootings."
Kristof continued, “I don’t have the moral authority the deprive anyone of their natural right to self-defense. I will gladly advocate for armed agents of the state, who do not have the constitutional authority to deprive anyone of their natural right to self defense, to do my dirty work for me”.
What a useless sack of shit.
No matter the details, the answer is still no.
shall not be infringed
EVEN IF YOU ARE ONLY 18
And if they're only 12? Or 8? Or 4?
I can see no objection, in principle, to treating persons 18 years of age as minors, given that's the way the law treated them for the first two centuries this country existed. The 26th Amendment did not change the age of adulthood to 18, it changed the voting age to 18. And there's no obvious reason in principle that minors can't be judged to be mature enough at a given age to exercise some but not all of the rights of adults.
If they really need to limit certain rights to 21, the age of majority should simply be raised to 21. For all aspects of citizenship--including voting.
Hmm? What is the actual logic behind "You're a minor, so we can't let you vote?"
Adult citizens need to have all the rights of adult citizens. That does not actually imply all minors need to be denied all rights of adult citizens.
Basically for the same reasons they are not allowed to drink or drive or own firearms or having to buy their own insurance until they're 27 or have sex or register for the draft. We keep getting told that teenager's brains are not fully formed enough to be trusted with that stuff. If they cannot be trusted with *that* stuff, how can they be trusted with something as important as voting.
As for California recent shootings - the communists shakedown, collect and punish the same way mobs and union bosses have collected. Some things never change.
Why waste time with analysis and words. Here's the truth:
The left is dedicated to making guns illegal.
That's it. Anything they might say (even if they deny the central truth) is designed to attain that goal. Anything people might say in defense of gun rights is simply ignored (or bent to their advantage). Every inch given is not a compromise, but an incremental achievement of the ultimate goal.
indeed.
the u.s could enter a long drought period of no mass shootings and that would only encourage them to grab more guns. Nothing matters, up or down, with regard to gun violence. they just want to take all the guns and that's that.
Specifically, they want to take them from a particular sort of person: the legal gun owning sort who sees firearm ownership as a sort of culture, not because they are a perilous physical threat, but because they are an electoral threat. They are the boogeyman in the hardcore democratic partisan consciousness. If they actually cared about the proliferation of guns, Project Gunrunner would never have happened.
It's a shame, because partisans on the right are all-too-willing to fully accept the left's demonization of them and play into the faux-threatening rhetoric. Seeing the left get fearful and mad gets people on the right excited.
If you really and truly care about gun rights more than owning the libs, you should be trying to reassure those same liberals that you pose them no threat. It doesn't mean capitulating on gun restrictions, but it does mean reaching out to traditional liberal bloc voters (minorities, sexual libertines, college educated women, etc) and convincing them that guns protect them as much as they protect you. It doesn't really win support for rightoid candidates so much as erode support for a particular brand of leftoid one (including Donald "ban the bumpstocks" Trump). Don't tie your cause to a party and be willing to support politicians of either party that are willing to take up your issue, and reject ones of either party that will not.
Are there any pro-gun Democrats anymore?
You mean like how they started out only banning "Saturday night specials", cheap revolvers only crooks used to rob people?
Then only expensive pistols that only drug lords could afford?
Then they had to make up a word "assault rifle", because they won't admit "shall not be infringed" means "shall not be infringed".
Rinse, repeat
Not to worry, he'll get around to pushing a ban on those later. Probably after banning "assault weapons" turns out to do nothing. Remember: when in doubt, statist harder!
But what about "the shoulder thing that goes up?" Everyone knows that's what makes assault weapons doubleplusungood.
What really matters is that other thingy over there. Don't know what it does, but it's scary looking. Gotta ban it. For the children.
so buy one, take a hacksaw and cut it off. Guess what? It will still fire the same roundat the same rate of fire and same range and terminal energy.
So far I've not found ANYONE who can explain to me how having an adjustable stock makes more people dead. It makes about as much sense as complaining that the four wheel power disc brakes on my 1976 Mercedes saloon cause me to kill more people as I drive about the city.
I believe its based on the idea that by making a rifle smaller it makes it more concealable
Don't forget the chainsaw attachment to the AR.
A semi-automatic rifle that accepts detachable magazines, for example, would qualify as an "assault weapon" under Feinstein's bill if it has a pistol grip, a forward grip, a folding or adjustable stock, a barrel shroud, or a threaded barrel.
This is a clone of California's ban. For $50 you can add a mag-release kit, a simple mod, and then all these features are legal again. The mag release adds about 1 second to changing mags. not ideal but legal.
here's a link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te_HNXIxDZ8
The CA law specifically bans guns by mfg & model no.; however to prevent mfg's from just changing model no. there is a list of features and a points system. Mfg's of AK style rifles with fixed stocks make CA compliant rifles by removing flash suppressors or replacing them with a muzzle break. They also either bolt on the pistol grip a "battle fin" or use grip with integral fin. MFG's of AR style rifles do the same as AK mfg's do. However some use a combination stock/grip & one use a proprietary lower receiver that looks like a traditional rifle stock & receiver. This accepts any AR-15 upper. All the CA workarounds will be moot when the 9th Circus reviews CA's AWB using the criteria in Bruen.
If Mr. Tran acquired the MAC-11/9 legally in CA it would have to have been before Jan 1, 1990 when Roberti Roos passed in 1989 went into effect. Also to be legal for him to possess he had to submit a finger print card to the law enforcement where he lived when registered. There was a time limit after Jan 1, 1990 to complete the registration. Thereafter it is a felony to possess in the Sate of CA. Note: Roberti Roos is what DiFi copied in drafting the 1994 Clinton AWB.
The reason "assault rifles" are so hard to define is there ain't no such thing.
It is a made pejorative for the fascists to use trying to override the constitution without a vote.
And I love how the M-1 Garand is not an assault rifle.
Rate of fire 40–50 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity 2,800 ft/s (853 m/s)
Effective firing range 500 yd (457 m)
8 round fixed magazine, that's how it gets a pass.
Of course 'no matter the details'
Because the details, such as CA having some of the most restrictive gun laws, 'assault weapon' meaning literally anything the progs are fear mongering today (which of course he has done with 9mm pistols), etc...dont really support what you are asking for.
"Regardless of the details, this thing means I should get my way for reasons"
Surprised Tony hasn’t shown up, in anguish over his fear of dying in a mass shooting. Or from lighting or an earthquake, as they present about the same probability.
Shooters go where they believe they will encounter the least resistance and have the highest probability of success: gun free zones
I'll remind you that Biden suggested blasting a shotgun thru your front door if somebody was trying to break in and firing one in the air (because projectiles never come back to Earth) if facing a crowd.
"We choose truth over facts."
The California Rifle and Pistol Association is currently fundraising with an intimation that they believe Judge Benitez is about to strike down Kali's "assault weapons ban".
I don't own one of these weapons of mass destruction now, but if it drops I'll be getting an AR-15 with a 20" or longer barrel in 6.5 Grendel (legal for deer hunting) ASAP.
"But the definitional problem he notes—that the guns "assault weapon" bans allow are "almost the same" as the ones they prohibit—is no mere quibble. That point, which is the same problem that Biden described in 2019, goes to the heart of the claim that such laws make any sense at all."
Which is precisely why, when pushed to admit it, almost all gun grabbers want to ban and confiscate all firearms from the general populace.
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