What the U.S. Should Learn From China's Population Decline
The U.S. remains the top destination for the world's immigrants—but it must be careful not to squander its immigration advantage.

For the first time in more than 60 years, China's population has declined. That last happened in 1961 when a devastating famine spurred by Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward killed tens of millions of citizens. This time, it's the result of a decadeslong one-child policy, a rapidly aging population, and the simple fact that more people leave the country than migrate there.
That last point is a critical one, and it offers an important lesson as the U.S. navigates a dwindling population growth rate. For decades, the U.S. has been the world's top destination for immigrants, while China is nearly dead-last when it comes to immigrants as a proportion of its population. As American politicians continue to focus on competition with China, they should recognize that free immigration is a critical way to maintain a talented workforce and avoid population issues like China now faces.
Like many other Western countries, the U.S. largely owes its current population growth to immigrants. About 86 percent of U.S. population growth last year was the result of immigration, according to the nonpartisan Brookings Institution. China attracts far fewer newcomers, partially due to its strict immigration policy. United Nations data indicate that China received just 200,000 immigrants between 2010 and 2020. "The United States, by contrast, added more than 6 million new immigrant residents," writes Washington Post columnist Philip Bump. "China's increase from immigration was about 0.01 percent of its total population; the United States' was almost 2 percent."
In recent years, China's leaders have experimented with solutions to the impending population growth problem. They moved from a one-child policy to a two-child policy in 2016, then to a three-child policy in 2021, and then scrapped punishments for families who had more than three kids. But immigration reform has remained modest at best. Policies "relating to the facilitation of visas and residence permits, including long-term or permanent residence permits for specific high-level foreign talent and the establishment of immigration service centres" were expanded nationwide in August 2019, according to economists Frank Bickenbach and Wan-Hsin Liu, but these largely only benefit the most highly skilled migrants. "For most less skilled migrants, Chinese immigration policies have become rather more restrictive."
Without a record of accepting newcomers, both attracting and retaining immigrants becomes difficult. From 2004 to 2016, just 10,000 people were granted permanent residency in China, with even lower naturalization numbers. "Foreign migrants in China are usually temporary sojourners, rather than long-term immigrants" for this reason, wrote Dutch researcher Tabitha Speelman in a 2020 article for The Diplomat.
How much does immigration matter for a nation that, even in decline, still has 1.41 billion people? In certain respects, quite a bit. It's estimated that more than a quarter of the Chinese population will be over 60 by 2030, according to the Migration Policy Institute. This—coupled with projections that the Chinese population could fall by nearly 50 percent by 2100—will severely hamper its economic prospects. More immediately, in the highly skilled technological fields where Chinese leadership would like to excel, losing home-grown talent and failing to attract foreign experts could prove damaging. The U.S., faced with similar issues of aging and specialization, should take note.
At its core, immigration represents an influx of human capital, important for "low-skill" and "high-skill" fields alike. But migration rates are also important in what they signal about the state of a country and the lives that foreigners can imagine building there. The same things that keep immigrants away from China—an authoritarian government that commits human rights abuses and suppresses all manner of expression and dissent, coupled with an economy rattled by ruinous government-imposed "COVID Zero" measures—ultimately drive natives away, too. Brain drain is a thorn in the side of the Chinese Communist Party, with one senior official complaining in 2013, "the number of top talents lost in China ranks first in the world."
America offers benefits that China simply can't. Though it has a smaller share of the global population, the U.S. is home to a hugely outsized amount of wealth and innovation, and a disproportionate number of the world's top universities. As of 2019, the U.S. was by far the top destination for Chinese immigrants. Ninety percent of Chinese students who'd received STEM doctorates in the U.S. were still in the country a decade after graduation, according to the National Science Foundation. (Though some American politicians and intelligence officials have warned that there might be Chinese government–affiliated spies embedded in this population, that concern has been false in all but a handful of cases.)
That said, the U.S. may be squandering its immigration advantage. Over half of America's top startups were founded by immigrants, but the U.S. has no visa pathway specifically devoted to foreigners who want to start a business and remain in the country. Massive visa backlogs mean that thousands of talented immigrants are caught in a decadeslong holding pattern, unable to secure permanent residency. International students are losing interest in the U.S. as a destination.
Too often, American policy makers emulate China when they try to compete with it. This is a mistake on everything from industrial policy to immigration policy. To avoid demographic and economic decline, the U.S. should embrace its advantage as a nation that attracts more people than it loses.
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they should recognize that free immigration is a critical way to maintain a talented workforce and avoid population issues like China now faces.
Nevermind that China could afford to lose 1 billion and still have a bigger population than US. Nevermind that out "talented workforce" is largely damn near slaves.
Just open the borders 5Head.
Immigrants are having the kids citizens won't have.
Until they realize their God-given right to abortion on demand.
And that's a problem? Those immigrant's children will learn, join our workforce and pay taxes. People should have children because they want to have them and not some obligation to maintain the state?
Fiona: "Blah, blah, blah, China's example, blah, blah, blah."
What can we learn from China's population decline?
A. Maintain a republican form of government. No dictatorships.
B. Stop the Woke assholes before they attempt a Cultural Revolution of their own here.
C. Get back to basics, get people, men and women (yes, there are such things), together, and have them raise families.
D. Get the hell out of these overcrowded, soul-destroying cities.
“A. Maintain a republican form of government. No dictatorships.”
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A little more caps lock next time there, Sqrlsy. You're not quite deranged enough yet.
Deranged or not, CAPS LOCK OR NOT, NO ONE has EVER named me a truly long-term successful one-party state!
Yet...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
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Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
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Republican form of government, not Republican party.
Neither the Republican nor the Democrat parties of the USA believe in a republican form of government.
That is the problem.
E. Do not institute a one child policy in a culture that prioritized male over female children.
You know who else prioritizes male over female children?
Having a population of excess young men has historically resulted in war.
Yes, this! Good point!
China has a history of killing off surplus people directly. Cheaper than war.
It serves two purposes:
1. Kills off excess males
2. A way to "acquire" females
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No matter what happens in the world, Koch-funded open borders fanatics will claim it proves their sugar daddy's immigration agenda is correct. Russia attacked Ukraine? The US should open its borders! China's population declined? The US should open its borders! Morocco overperformed in the World Cup? The US should open its borders! (I'm not making that up.)
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>>That said, the U.S. may be squandering its immigration advantage.
lol immigrants are the only fucking thing we have a surplus of right now. we should trade them for imported goods oh wait
Blond American women are much more desirable on the market. We can trade them for foreign goods, then use part of the proceeds to replace them with brown women.
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Wrallan Cabezas Meza, 19, Miguel Angel Rojas, 21, Rafael Rojas, 27, and Jose Garcia Escobar, 30, are accused of driving from the Big Apple to Garden City and stealing $12,489 in goods from Macy’s Roosevelt Field earlier this month, according to county police.
Cops caught the crew shortly after the Jan. 9 heist in Hampstead when Meza was pulled over for allegedly failing to use a turn signal in a 2006 BMW with bogus plates, a criminal complaint in the case states.
Cultural appropriation
Sounds like they're fitting in.
We need them Americanized, not Afro-Americanized.
Immigration is only a temporary solution, the big problem is that everything is expensive. from having family to having a house to education to just living. the same problem of population decline is happening all over the world
We're outsourcing the production of humans to countries where the labor is cheaper, then importing them, just like we do with our phones.
Even if immigration is the solution, what happens when the exporting countries stop exporting?
If immigrants are always a plus, and those immigrants are, by definition coming from other countries, aren't we doing serious damage to the rest of the world by taking all those always a benefit people from them? #BrainDrain
Yes, but that's the rest of the world's problem, because they're outside of our... wait... borders matter again. Fuck, I can't keep up.
I'm watching for the economic boom and cultural flourishing in Moldova and Romania resulting from all those Ukrainian refugees.
Population decline will make everything cheaper. Demand will fall while supply stays the same (at least for things like land and buildings).
It's estimated that more than a quarter of the Chinese population will be over 60 by 2030,
If only there were a virus or something that was particularly deadly to old people which could cull that population just a little might come in handy.
Pretty sure that was the full intent of COVID-19 when they created it.
What if we gather some of the 30M illegal aliens who are adding their only-positive-and-never-any-nagetive-whatsover-never-never-never impacts to our own economy we have here and share with China by sending them some of our surplus of immigrants? Will that solve their problems? Immigrants are always double-plus good, right?
Have you noticed how news coverage of the mass shootings in California is carefully avoiding the word "Chinese"?
To avoid demographic [sic] decline
LOL. Two genders and 1X the number of immigrants or 32 genders and 1/16th, your choice.
Libertarians… demographic decline… fucking LOL!
It's difficult to get animals to breed in captivity.
A free market in babies would solve that. Plenty of places in the world are breeding like crazy.
“It’s difficult to get animals to breed in captivity.”
What animals are you having difficulty getting to breed in captivity? My advice, try dogs, cats, rabbits, rats, chickens, ducks, cows, pigs, horses, llamas, hamsters, geese, sheep, goats, mice, gerbils and so on. Still no luck? Make sure their environment is clean, not crowded, with a wealth of resources.
"China attracts far fewer newcomers, partially due to its strict immigration policy."
Maybe it's almost entirely because it's a savage tyranny that treats non-Han like farm animals.
Fiona with another "wet streets cause rain" article. You cannot just throw open the borders and be showered with prosperity, there are sources of prosperity that leftists like Fiona consistently try to water down, pervert and destroy. Immigration as an end unto itself is one more weapon in the nihilists repertoire.
"You cannot just throw open the borders and be showered with prosperity"
That depends on which side of the border you're on. Many moving from poorer countries to richer countries enjoy a more prosperous life, as they are more ambitious, have more gumption, a more positive attitude, lack the feeling of entitlement and have a willingness to work hard, risk and take advantage of the opportunities offered.
What all nations should do is not fall into a demographic trap of a system of transfers that is financially stressed when there too few younger contributors to sustain the system. Social Security is such a program that obfuscates it's vulnerabilities intentionally. How can we reform it? By taking a lession from private pension plans that determine benefits based solely on an individual's contributions, and is not tied to the contributions of others. Technology will also help a smaller workforce service a larger older population that have retired.
"Technology will also help a smaller workforce service a larger older population that have retired."
Why retired? Hasn't the trend been to keep older people working longer? If you've been following the news, you shouldn't need me to tell you of all the unrest in France over government plans to keep older people working longer and postponing retirement to 'reform the pension system.'
Hasn’t the trend been to keep older people working longer?
There's been a trend to talk about that. Meanwhile, employers continue to refuse to hire older workers.
It's not 'keep older workers working'
It's 'stopping state subsidies for their not working'.
No one is stopping Frenchies from retiring. They're just talking about changes to the subsidies that incentivize not supporting yourself.
I think that delaying the pensions will result in workers delaying their retirement. That seems to be the object of the 'pension reform' and the protesting workers see it that way too. The notion that technology will enable a shrinking pool of young working people to service a growing number of non working older people is pie in the sky.
The notions that old people will be hired and retained by employers, and that most of them will be mentally and physically capable of working well enough to compete for jobs with younger workers, are pie in the sky.
"that old people will be hired and retained by employers,"
This is why so many French have taken to the streets to protest the 'pension reforms.' The government expects them to keep working in jobs that won't exist. I'm sure the protesters are also skeptical of the idea that technology will enable the shrinking pool of young workers to care for the growing pool of older non workers.
This, I think, is the real problem: Public old age pensions convert children into a commons.
Originally your comfort in old age would come from having children who'd support you.
With pensions, you hire somebody to support you with money taxed from other people's children. So everybody under-produces children.
The system is still dependent on children being born, but has cut the linkage between your welfare in old age and how many children YOU have. On the contrary, the fewer children you have, the more you can save.
Got to fix the system by linking pensions to having had productive children.
You have a slave labor view of pensions. That’s how pensions work in authoritarian systems.
In a free market and free society, pensions come from savings and investments, and the returns on those investments are generated by voluntary productive labor, anywhere in the world.
But living on "free society" pensions is dependent on certain demographic and economic conditions. "Savings and investments" are not food, medicine, clothing, and shelter stashed away until they are needed. They are merely a presumption that the things of life will be available for purchase when needed later. If everyone in a society saves and invests in amounts that appear to be sufficient for the days when they can no longer work, and the demographic trend is for a larger and larger proportion of old people, then, when those people reach the age of needing to spend their investments, their savings will be wiped out by inflation as they compete for goods and services with other old people spending their hoarded money.
It's interesting to note that light manufacturing, for years the mainstay of China's export led economy, is becoming expensive with rising wages and is moving to Africa to take advantage of a younger, cheaper workforce. Up to 2 million Chinese have also migrated to Africa and some half million Africans have migrated to China. China, the world's largest nation, and Africa, slated to be the only region in the world to enjoy population growth rather than stagnation and decline, bear close attention as they will do more than anywhere setting the tone for the future of civilization.
And those Africans need capital for growth. If we had a sensible free market approach to pensions, Americans could provide that capital and retire on the future returns generated by young, productive Africans.
Instead, the US and Europe have a system whereby our own young people are increasingly enslaved to our own government and where slowing population growth spells fiscal disaster.
"Instead, the US and Europe"
The trends of population decline or stagnation, low fertility and aging are not just confined to US and Europe, but the entire globe, excluding Africa which is projected to grow. Your attempt to pin the phenomenon on a handful of governments is emotional and unpersuasive.
I didn’t attempt to “pin” anything on anybody. I pointed out that a free market approach to retirement removes the need for mass immigration or population growth to sustain a retirement system. The US and Europe are examples of the latter.
Saying that “A and B are instances of X” isn’t the same as “The only instances of X are A and B”.
If you know of other economies that have a pyramid scheme retirement system AND are trying to fix their problems through mass immigration, please do share those examples: the more the merrier.
"I pointed out that a free market approach to retirement removes the need for mass immigration or population growth to sustain a retirement system. The US and Europe are examples of the latter."
With your enthusiasm for social engineering, Stalin would have found you useful. The free market approach is the only to solve the problem of aging and declining fertility. It will solve climate change, gaps in economic status, individual and mass transport and almost everything else. Everything except immigration. It should not be left in the hands of the individual to decide what side of the border they'd prefer to live on. That's too free market. You want governments, bureaucracies with their forms and stamps, police armed with guns and knives, courts, and prisons, the very opposite of a free market.
Correct.
Correct.
Correct: protecting national borders and incarcerating criminals are proper functions of government in a free society.
"in a free society."
Or a police state.
Simple question. Is there any evidence that the USA can grow its population indefinitely with no ill effects?
The projections for the US are that total population will not increase greatly over the next few decades. Fertility rate will stagnate and remain under replacement levels, ethnic and cultural diversity will increase, and the proportion of those over 70 years old will undergo a tremendous increase.
Do these projections take into account that the Biden administration threw the borders open, and we're getting about a quarter million illegal immigrants coming in per month now?
When did the Biden administration throw open the borders? The fact is that most of the same laws are in effect as for previous Presidents. You might open your eye a bit wider and look at global conditions that are results in greater numbers of people on the move.
It is a simple fact that the number of illegal border crossings has increased dramatically under Biden, largely due to enforcement and executive policy changes by the Biden administration.
Again, what changes in enforcement and executive policy. How are they much different that before? I think you would find more causation in external causes that are driving people to migrate.
Biden stopped building the wall, ended return to Mexico, and advocates for amnesty, among other things.
If you still want to claim that other factors are responsible for the huge increase in illegal border crossers coincident with Biden’s presidency, you need to show those external causes.
See;
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/05/us/politics/biden-immigration-crisis.html
note in text:
"The main motivators of emigration from Mexico, Central America and points south are tied to climate change, violent crime and corruption"
All of those existed during Trump’s presidency as well, and they haven’t substantially changed, so that does not explain the massive rise of illegal border crossings under Biden.
Admit it: the only factor that actually changed when Biden became president was Biden's policy and messaging; that makes Biden responsible for the surge in illegal border crossings.
"Do these projections take into account that the Biden administration threw the borders open,"
I believe those projections came from 2019 when another man occupied the white house. And whether these immigrants are legal or illegal is probably irrelevant. It's an issue of concern to police, lawyers and judges, not demographers.
“What the U.S. Should Learn From China's Population Decline”
Don’t support government encouraged abortion?
How bout we learn not to impose draconian population controls leading to the direct murder and abuse of pregnant women by government agents for 50 years?
"To avoid demographic and economic decline, the U.S. should embrace its advantage as a nation that attracts more people than it loses."
And how does CA lost population play into that narrative? They have "open borders" and are loosing population.
Seems like "open borders" doesn't equate well to attracting more people than it loses. Perhaps it equates to losing not only any attraction the USA might present (well of course it does; Import non-America, get non-America) but also turns it into the same authoritarian state immigrants ran from.
When you find me a Democrat voter who LEARNED by escaping the consequences of their idiotic political tendencies then you've found an immigrant worth keeping... BUT the statistics show exactly the opposite. They don't LEARN more often than not. Open Borders brings in the same people that supported turning their nation into an authoritarian State.
VETTING for those that LEARNED from their mistaken political ideology is the only immigrants worth admitting otherwise; the USA will become just another authoritarian State.
Note to Reason: China does not have open borders, they have a very strict immigration system, and heavily protected and patrolled borders. No one here is against legal immigration, just illegals.
So what can we learn from China? We need to secure our borders!
"So what can we learn from China? "
We have to become just another authoritarian state in order to prevent becoming just another authoritarian state.
We only need government at the border to prevent invasion. Private land owners and the states can handle everything else.
If we want to stop the massive problem we have at the border, we need to end the entitlements like public schools, medicaid, etc, by ending the property tax.
That and that alone will solve the authoritarian government and illegal alien problems.
"That and that alone will solve the authoritarian government and illegal alien problems."
But if you close down the schools and hospitals don't you think that will only make more problems. For those with or without property to tax.
Fiona, we have massive backlogs because the immigration system is flooded by unskilled illegal migrants, under the policies you and your ilk favor. People like you piss on all the things that used to make the US attractive to skilled immigrants.
I came to the US as a skilled immigrant decades ago. These days, I would not make the same choice.
This.
We used to draw the best and brightest because they knew they could work hard and succeed.
Now we draw the dumbest and laziest because they know they don’t have to do anything to succeed.
The difference is in the entitlements and the entitlements are driven by the property tax and inflationary spending.
If we want the best and brightest again, we need to stop taxing all their lives away to spend for the stupidest people on the planet.
Of course doing so would simply end Congress…
China attracts far fewer newcomers because it is a communist dictatorship complete with genocides, ethnic cleansing, and a culture that has embraced racial supremacy and xenophobia for centuries.
If you're a member of the powerful western intelligentsia (presidents and their drug addicted sons, media, sports stars, Ivy League academics, top government bureaucrats, etc.), the Chinese government will throw large amounts of money at you and be polite, but they'll still despise you.
China is one of the only places where the philosophy of Alfred North Whitehead is taken seriously and taught at universities there. Whitehead is the famous philosopher/mathematician from the early 20th century who collaborated with Bertrand Russell. Whitehead’s ‘process philosophy’ draws on China’s Taoist roots and influenced Einstein. The government’s promotion of Whitehead is an effort to meld Chinese traditional thought with Western environmentalism. I first came across Whitehead thanks to the teachings of Rich Hickey, author of the Lisp-like Clojure functional language. It’s complicated stuff, but the idea that the Chinese government despises Western intellectuals is a ridiculous caricature. Not only philosophy but the worlds of international chess and classical music are also warmly embraced by China.
The Chinese have no problem with pilfering ideological, intellectual, and technological output from the West, and even paying respect to exceptional non-Chinese individuals occasionally. That doesn't change the fact that Chinese culture is deeply racist and xenophobic.
And whether it's chess, philosophy, technology, or classical music, the Chinese focus is on just doing the existing thing a little better than those filthy Westerners rather than actually innovating.
"The Chinese have no problem with pilfering ideological, intellectual, and technological output from the West"
They pilfer it from each other too. There are counterfeits to every imaginable product. From ice cream to automobiles. A friend of mine there told me the atom bomb is the only thing in the country without a counterfeit counterpart.
"That doesn’t change the fact that Chinese culture is deeply racist and xenophobic."
Yawn. Every culture is xenophobic and racist. What I can't stand is their casual cruelty to animals and indifference or even pleasure taking in their suffering. Contrast with England, where animals are treated with love.
"rather than actually innovating."
Like inventing paper and gunpowder? We'll see. You might not like it though. They have things like 'face paying' on their smart phones. I get that's where we're all headed but it rubs me the wrong way. Orwellian etc.
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