Donald Trump and J.D. Vance Say No Cuts for Social Security. That's Impossible.
Social Security benefits will be cut automatically in less than a decade unless Congress shores up the program before it hits insolvency. Ignoring that is not a solution.

As Congress prepares for a fiscal policy fight over raising the federal government's debt ceiling, former President Donald Trump and one of the rising stars of the national conservative movement have issued a sharp demand: Don't touch Social Security.
"Under no circumstances should Republicans vote to cut a single penny from Medicare or Social Security," Trump said in a video message released by his presidential campaign Friday night. Shortly afterward, Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio) posted his agreement, tweeting that "Trump is 100 percent correct."
Refusing even to consider changes to Social Security might be a tidy way to pander to older Americans, but it's not a functional plan for entitlements. In fact, it's actually an impossible situation.
If Congress refuses to do anything to alter Social Security's trajectory, benefit cuts will automatically kick in when the program hits insolvency. That point will be reached in 2035, according to the most recent Social Security Administration trustee's report. If that happens, the trustees estimate that Social Security will be able to pay only 80 percent of promised benefits.
Promising to do nothing, then, amounts to promising a 20 percent benefit cut in a little more than a decade. There is no getting around that fact.
That's a classic political strategy: Kick the can and deal with the consequences later. Even so, Trump, Vance, and others who advocate this approach should be confronted with the reality of what they are saying: full benefits for anyone getting Social Security now, but guaranteed cuts for anyone who expects to collect Social Security after 2035.
If you want to avoid cutting a single penny from Social Security but also dodge the benefit cuts coming in the middle of the next decade, the only available option is to raise taxes. Big time.
The combined shortfall for Social Security and Medicare—the federal old-age health insurance program, parts of which are headed for insolvency before the end of this decade—will amount to 6 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) by the mid-2040s, according to Brian Riedl, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and former Senate budget staffer. That translates to about $1.4 trillion in today's dollars, though the actual amount will change (and likely grow) depending on GDP and the future value of the dollar.
Keeping those two programs solvent, without cuts, would therefore require a tax increase of well over $1 trillion. If Congress passed a 9 percent payroll tax hike, that wouldn't be enough—it would also need to create something like a 20 percent value-added tax (VAT), which would function like a federal sales tax, to cover the rest of the shortfall.
In a nutshell, those are the two options for policymakers who refuse to cut "a single penny from Medicare or Social Security." Inaction will postpone benefit cuts for another decade, and avoiding those benefit cuts would require tax hikes that might be politically impossible. It's a tricky situation, but ignoring its complexity only makes the problem harder, because the countdown to insolvency will continue.
Realistically, the only serious approach will require some changes to existing Social Security benefits. That could mean reducing benefits for wealthier retirees or implementing across-the-board benefit reductions that would be phased in over time, allowing younger workers to offset smaller Social Security benefits with private savings. Ideally, workers would be able to opt out of Social Security altogether, so they can save and invest for their own retirement without having to pay payroll taxes.
But none of those options can begin to be considered if a critical mass of Republicans adopts the short-sighted view advocated by Trump and Vance.
That's particularly galling in Vance's case, given his previous support for a more thoughtful and workable approach to Social Security's fiscal issues. On his personal blog (where he went by the name "JD Hamel"), Vance wrote approvingly in 2011 of plans put forth by then-Rep. Paul Ryan (R–Wisc.) to balance the budget and reform entitlements. In a 2010 post, he correctly pointed out that the "political obstacles" to entitlement reform "intimidate more than the practical problems."
"The Republican Party," he wrote, "is also the party of the aging white person. The party's only solid constituency thus depends on the Medicare and Social Security Benefits that are the biggest roadblocks to any kind of real fiscal sanity."
More than a decade later, Vance is now living that reality. A decade from now, the country will be dealing with the consequences of his newfound shortsightedness.
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"I thought grandma and grandpa died from the COVIDS"
They were probably Republican if they died.
No loss.
No old people died like New York's old people. So, no, probably not.
Chumby has the correct answer.
Since cutting spending is the only way to solve the social security problem, the logical thing to do is nothing.
In 2035 there will be a cut in spending.
The Republicans and Democrats need do nothing and the problem will take care of itself.
When the automatic cuts do kick in, the MSM will blame the GOP for it, and the masses will obediently vote in a bunch of Dems to undo that "cruelty". That all assumes that there isn't a major institutional re-alignment of the parties or corporate media in the next 12 years.
An alternative (but morally unappealing) option would be to realign the "standard of care" which Medicare provides to be more in line with what the single-payer systems in UK and Canada do, and redirect more elderly patients into palliative care instead of chronic treatment regimes such as long-term dialysis.
Why not just remove the income ceiling (currently $160,200) to which the 6.2% payroll tax applies, like they did with Medicare a generation ago? That would solve most of the problem, while only raising taxes on a small number of well-off people.
"If Congress refuses to do anything to alter Social Security's trajectory, benefit cuts will automatically kick in when the program hits insolvency. That point will be reached in 2035, according to the most recent Social Security Administration trustee's report."
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President Hunter would likely be sniffing that solvent.
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I hate bringing this up, but once again Reason really is ignorant of foreign politics (stay with me here).
The UK is 10 years ahead of us politically. And the main reason the Tories command a majority is because they have convinced the voters that they will better manage the NHS than Labour.
So it will follow with the GOP, inevitably. If you want cuts or elimination of SS and Medix, you shouldn't even bother trying to hold the GOP accountable. They've already moved on.
Why did the GOP oppose Medicare prescription drug price negotiation?
Big Pharma profit is fat. Not so much hospitals and the rest of Medicare services.
Because they hadn't learned from the Tories, as I said.
Your historical ignorance is no excuse.
But I do hold the GOP accountable.
I'm not Team Red or Tory. Or Team Blue.
I'm Team Cut Spending.
If you want cuts or elimination of SS and Medix, you shouldn’t even bother trying to hold the GOP accountable. They’ve already moved on.
Read before replying to topics you know nothing about.
You say since I want cuts I should not hold the GOP accountable.
Fuck that. The GOP is accountable.
Quit making excuses for Team Red.
I didn't say you couldn't, I said it's pointless.
And it's been pointless since Reagan.
Well, you did not say it was "pointless" prior to your last comment.
You may have implied it. But yes, you are correct on that.
The GOP is not serious about spending cuts unless a (D) is in the White House.
you shouldn’t even bother sounds pretty pointless to me.
"shouldn't even bother trying" is synonymous with "pointless" for those of us that understand the English language.
Hello.... It wasn't the GOP that created SS and Medicare...
(D) created the problem.. What's the point in compulsively blaming (R) s for not cleaning up (D) s MESS????
If republicans advanced a measure to cut medicare and SS cuts and ALL of them voted it, it would go nowhere. I don’t have to explain to you why, right?
Some republicans want to cut entitlement. Most don’t. Meanwhile the democrat party and the corporate media will almost certainly stand united against such measures. If you want cuts on anything, you need keep YOUR friends accountable. And no, no one buys that you’re “neither team red or blue”.
You’re team nambla.
You’re team Child Rape. No one here will ever let you skate on that.
Ever.
Regarding his hobby, Reason thus far has been treating him with kid gloves.
Eww, made from real kids?
Hey now! We don’t want to be childish about this. We could end up throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Big Pharma profits are colossal now.
Pfizer literally doubled their corporate revenues, profits, and net cash flow on the back of the Covid vaccine.
Most Dems that I know are actively unaware of this and sincerely believe that Pfizer paid for giving away the vax using their profits from viagra (which is no longer an earner since it went generic 5+ years ago). As with most other instances, this might be just a symptom of the general "progressive" dogma that if individuals aren't charged directly for something then it must have been given away for free at the source.
The conundrum around these type of benefit programs is that speaking any kind of hard truth about them is a political loser. Especially since people were told they had "paid into" the system and are owed a return. These kinds of program are an inherently corrupting influence, especially in a representative democracy.
It is such a corrupting influence that the Democrats are do not even get called out for criticism, despite being the party that bought this car, pointed it at the cliff edge and gunned the engine, laughing hysterically, because they do not even try to play at fiscal responsibility.
Yes, I was looking for the quotes from Biden saying: "We stand for fiscal responsibility on SS and Medicare, and that means either benefit cuts or huge tax increases."
This is not a serious discussion of the problem, merely a hit piece on two Republicans who are wrong among 100% of the Dems who are wrong on this issue.
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"This is not a serious discussion of the problem, merely a hit piece on two Republicans"
People actually DID pay into that system. It isn't a voluntary deduction. The fact that it is listed as a separate tax removed from our checks implies the government recognizes it's different. I know the courts decided politicians could piss it away on whatever they want, but the charade lives on. I think it should be illegal to withhold taxes from people's paychecks. I think if we're going to demand those taxes, then we should make it law that each of us has to personally write and mail a check to Uncle Sam each pay period. Then, maybe people would focus a little closer on how much of their money goes into the maw of government to be wasted. Return my principal from the SSI system and I'll vote to shut it down...otherwise, cut spending until it's solvent.
People did pay in, but retirees often receive back 100% of their total contribution amount in just a few years of benefits, then draw down on the program to an extent that causes the plan to require 5-8 people paying in for every one person being paid out. SBF and Madoff famously ran operations with a similar structure but on a smaller scale and without the ability to forcibly compel participation.
There's a reason why individuals with IRA/401k accounts need to both set aside a higher percentage of their earnings than what SS takes and earn a much higher rate of return on that savings while it's being held in order to have enough saved for a sustainable retirement.
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"The Republican Party," he wrote, "is also the party of the aging white person. The party's only solid constituency thus depends on the Medicare and Social Security Benefits that are the biggest roadblocks to any kind of real fiscal sanity."
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Okay, Mr. Boehm,
Exactly what politician is advocating for cuts to Social Security and Medicare and please refer me to the Reason article lauding them for taking this stance or thoroughly condemning other politicians for attacking that stance? Because, from where I stand, "Trump and Vance are opposed to cutting Social Security and Medicare" sounds vaguely similar to "Trump and Vance have drunk water in the last month!", something reliably common among politicians seeking actual election. And attacking them for taking a commonplace position, when Reason itself has a record of mostly awkward silence with regard to concrete proposals with a possibility of enactment, sounds pretty disingenuous.
The Democrats reliably attack the GOP for threatening to cut Social Security and Medicaid every time you turn around although I've never heard the GOP utter a word about any concrete plans to reform them. As far as I can tell, the Democrats are solid in claiming "not a penny" in cuts just as much as "no tax increases for those making less than $400,000" although both are equally lies.
Well, yeah. But, to be fair, Republican silence does reflect consent after getting drubbed for any inkling of a suggestion about addressing the issue. And has Reason ever uttered a damned word in disapproval for the Democrats about that? Has Suderman written any articles about how "taxing the rich to pay for Social Security" is just a gimmick that "no serious person" should consider? The regime libertarian take seems to be that they should sit back and laugh when Republicans take hits for doing what the regime libertarians insist they should be doing. Yeah, they'd like to see Social Security or Medicare reformed or phased out. But, not if it means supporting that icky Ted Cruz or that awful Hawley guy (not that I know either actually supports reform, but it doesn't matter to the point). And then they just can't figure out "whycome those conservatives don't want to pay attention to us?!"
They are taking a broadly popular position, because that is what politicians do. The reason that position is broadly popular may be irrational on the part of the voters, and may eat us fiscally, but the voters have been trained to be irrational about it as a deliberate ploy by the founders of these programs.
It also misses two other potential relivers of cuts:
A growing economy, and enough recipients dying (inevitable). This is a shallow analysis.
Is this the New Yorker or Reason?
Got any more ponzi schemes you want propped up?
Are there any libertarians left at Reason?
Realistically, the only serious approach will require some changes to existing Social Security benefits. That could mean reducing benefits for wealthier retirees or implementing across-the-board benefit reductions that would be phased in over time, allowing younger workers to offset smaller Social Security benefits with private savings. Ideally, workers would be able to opt out of Social Security altogether, so they can save and invest for their own retirement without having to pay payroll taxes.
Sounds like Cato.
That's the fig leaf, the rest of the article is nakedly left-wing arguing for tax increases to prop a ponzi scheme.
B.Dalasio is spot on.
I read it as laying out the options and then supplying a REALISTIC course of action.
Literally that is what it did.
Only leftists mention tax increases. Mentioning it equals agreeing with it. If you say otherwise you're a liar.
And Ronald Reagan, the conservative demi-god whose balls are forever enshrined in a Mason jar at Fox News, actually raised SS benefits and then taxed those benefits for the first time.
St Reagan the Progressive.
Blasphemy! Thou shalt not diss Reagan! You're going to Hell!
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They have real synergy.
That could mean reducing benefits for wealthier retirees or implementing across-the-board benefit reductions that would be phased in over time, allowing younger workers to offset smaller Social Security benefits with private savings. Ideally, workers would be able to opt out of Social Security altogether,
The above allows the OP to act as though he is presenting a libertarian approach, while knowing full well that younger workers cannot be let out of the system without the system collapsing, which would be far worse for SS than doing nothing.
What is that REALISTIC course of action that you take from the OP?
To a casual observer, or one who only visits here on occasion, it can be extremely difficult to figure out what Reason's true position on fiscal policy is, because they lie a lot, and unlike on many cultural issues where you usually know exactly where they stand, they generally tend to be rather coy and very rarely just come right out and say exactly what policies they would like to see enacted, preferring simply to take the "bold" position that the republicans are always 100% to blame for all our fiscal woes.
But those of us who have been around for a while, pay very close attention, and can read between the lines, know that most of these guys and gals are gaslighting progressives who are 100% on board with their hero Block Insane Yomomma's "fundamental transformation of America".
Meaning that they want us to continue moving away from the Founders' vision of a small, limited central government, and for us to be turned into a clone of the western European big social welfare states, with vastly increased welfare programs, funded by vastly higher taxes and lower defense spending (while always dodging the question of just how we're going to fund the democratic party's favorite wars that they support, such as the war in Ukraine, with said decreased defense spending).
"Meaning that they want us to continue moving away from the Founders’ vision of a small, limited central government, and for us to be turned into a clone of the western European big social welfare states..."
LOL- the "founders' vision"?
1. Anyone pretending that the founders could predict it all 250 years ago, and leverage that as their irrefutable proof of logic, is a dumb-dumb.
2. By the late 1700's, the founders had entered into a bitter divide (laying foundations for the modern party system) on how "limited" government should be. I mean, come on bro, even a cursory viewing of Hamilton on Disney Plus should have clued you into how silly it is to regurgitate boilerplate 2nd grade social studies readings.
"Instead, lawmakers drafted a bill that would apply profits from the National Bank toward the building of roads and canals. In his last official act as President, Madison vetoed this “Bonus Bill,” as it was called. He explained that “The legislative powers vested in Congress are specified and enumerated in the eighth section of the first article of the Constitution, and it does not appear that the power proposed to be exercised by the bill is among the enumerated powers, or that it falls by any just interpretation with the power to make laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution those or other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States.”
Can't get more FF than Madison.
Better check your facts first or the crowd here will eat you alive.
The information gathered from Hamilton on Disney Plus is all he needs.
Which offers a bastardized version of Hamilton
The Hamilton reference was a sarcastic piss-take... Why are some many libertarians unfunny dorks?
If you want to cherry pick FF quotes as proof of your red-blooded patriotic historical bonifides, here is one:
"As good government, is an empire of laws, how shall your laws be made? In a large society, inhabiting an extensive country, it is impossible that the whole should assemble, to make laws: The first necessary step then, is, to depute power from the many, to a few of the most wise and good."
That's John Adams, who I suppose might be considered just as much of a FF as Madison, lol. Hence, showcasing the bitter divide between FFs.
If this kinda rebuttal is getting "eaten alive" on Reason...I'll take my chances.
I just got my tee shirt in the mail - "That's What I Do - I ignore problems I created and kick the can down the street"
But none of those options can begin to be considered if a critical mass of Republicans adopts the short-sighted view advocated by Trump and Vance.
You sound like the fan who blames the last guy to strike out for the loss. The Democrats have made it poisonous for any politician to propose reforming the welfare state, let alone transfer payment programs productive people put money in (in most cases, against their will). To not even mention that fact, on top of not offering any ideas, is just more of the same.
Look at who the majority Republican voter/donor is. White and old, probably living in Arizona, Texas, or Florida. On Social Security and Medicare.
But sure, the Democrats are the ones stopping the Republicans from acting and not their sense of self-preservation. The FOX News generation is one SSN check away from anarchy.
Force me to contribute all my life and then take away money that you promised me is a sure way to not get elected.
Who forced you?
Who claimed it wasn't a ponzi scheme while arguing for higher and higher taxes to pay for it?
If we had a truly Libertarian Congress, what would Reason urge them to do? Raise taxes?
Who forced you?
My employer, the SSA, IRS, Treasury, and who knows what else.
All the Democrats since the FDR administration?
Who forced you?
yeah it just happened somehow. It's a real mystery why anyone pays FICA from their paycheck.
^ reading comp fail. now i get your point.
You sound like my father. A great engineer, firm believer in the First Law of Thermodynamics, but insists that it is "his" money... talk about willful blindness!
SS and Medicrap both need to be phased out. It will take generations, but aside from the fact that it can't go on without changes, the message that it sends is insane: you can get more out of a system than you put into it.
Well, I can't blame your dad because that is what Dems from FDR on have been saying: "SS is an old age insurance program." Then they get in front of SCOTUS and say the SS tax is a tax on income and the recipients have no legal claim on their "benefits." Either way it is a shitshow. While some continue to believe in the intergenerational promise, others see SS as a way of pitting the young against the old and dragging down the system so they can usher in their utopia.
To you dad's point, if his benefits are not his money, then the Dems gave us the most regressive income tax in history.
Maybe not the "most" regressive, but pretty far up the list I agree!
Go ahead, phase it out, but if you paid in, you better get it on the back end, or heads will roll.
Hey, I'm good with that as a step along the way. You get back what you paid in , one dollar in, one dollar out. So if I have paid in $100K over 40 years, then I get back $100K, and when that $100K is paid out, it stops. Works for me if it will help solve the issue.
Or less. I'll be getting less.
But it's a progressive (in the funding sense) tax set up to look like an annuity, so that makes sense. Wealthier people will pay more and get less. Poorer people will pay less and get more.
What is with all this Reason bashing?
Yes, Reason was not on the TEAM TRUMP BIG GOVERNMENT CULT, but so what?
Reason is not supposed to be on that Team.
Reason trends heavy progressive, at times not even libertine. Whenever something negative about the current POTUS hits the wire, they either ignore it or boaf sidez it with Trump. Reason also allows users that post links to cp to remain active thus condoning that disgusting behavior.
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Reason is not supposed to be on that Team.
Yeah, Reason is supposed to be on the libertarian team. The team that ought to be for dismantling systems that coerce individuals. So it is more than a bit strange that they are bashing conservatives for not doing enough to maintain SS at its projected level of payouts (which necessarily means further coercion of individuals).
Hey, here 's a thought, maybe Reason is not libertarian?
Note the author's name. He was definitely on team Biden, reluctantly but strategically.
Trump was the most Libertarian President the USA has had in the last century.. Why wouldn't Reason be on his team or at least acknowledge the Libertarian policies he supported like DE-REGULATE... Yet; here they are getting more Nazified by the moment out of shear NOT TRUMP bigotry.
Reason is on Team Koch and petrochemical industry. Seriously... isn't anyone not already aware of that?!
Streamline the administrative/back office costs.
Let people opt out. Lump sum distribution of anything you put in, adjusted for CPI over the length of your career.
Cut costs anyway.
You're unlikely to find too many back office costs that could be cut without harming the program.
The larger problem is that SS was designed with an ever-growing population in mind and the Baby Boomers are the last big one. They're gobbling up everything their children and grandchildren paid into to the fund. There's no money to distribute to younger workers.
The only way out is through. Anyone who thinks eliminating SS is a good thing hasn't considered the costs of the alternative, nor have they thought through the positive impact SS has on the economy, especially during recessions. The switch from pensions to 401K was devastating enough.
1. Eliminate the income cap on the tax.
2. Move the disability part to medicare/aid
(this is kicking the can sideways, but it groups the risk with a like group)
Good for a couple of decades.
For extra credit, increase the eligibility age more rapidly until it reaches the same relation to life span as when the program was invented.
That's the easy part.
Now allow a way out of the program for the younger taxpayers that does not allow them to get any government assistance in retirement if their own asset management doesn't cut it.
1. Eliminate the income cap on the tax.
No. Cut costs and cut spending.
1. Eliminate the income cap on the tax.
Jesus fucking christ.
The problem with the allowing people to opt out is that there is no guarantee they will plan. Most people starting their work career are not think about retirement. Many will not start or will start too late and they will need to be helped in retirement.
As an alternative let me suggest that people continue to be required to pay into a retirement program, that the money be in a personal account, and that a part of that money be available for individual to self-direct. I would use private investment options, but options approved by a board, so that funds meet certain criteria for cost. Individuals could choose different levels of risk, within reason (no junk bonds).
and that a part of that money be available for individual to self-direct.
Now imagine the above during the crypto craze and subsequent crash. Good times!
You will note that I suggest that investment option be limited by a board. That board could allow a range of options, but preclude options that are too speculative.
No opportunity for fraud there.
The problem with the allowing people to opt out is that there is no guarantee they will plan.
TOO FUCKING BAD.
NIce, but that will not work. We will end up paying out for those people in the end.
Why?
For 150 years about the Republic got along fine without it. Work, save, plan, or mooch off of your kids or maybe some church.
Why?
Have you been paying attention the past 20 years? You aren't even allowed to hurt someone's feelings much less allow them to live in poverty because they are stupid a-holes. Americans are soft hearted and softer headed.
People are having fewer kids and churches are seeing dramatic reductions in attendance. If you think letting millions of elderly go homeless is going to solve this, you haven't read much history.
What's worse, welfare for a small number, or a social security system that can't support itself?
False choice.
SS can support itself pretty much forever with reduce benefits. Raise taxes on wealthier workers by removing the wage cap and the reduction require is less. It's not like social security payments are making people rich. The average payment these days is about $1800/mo before taxes.
The problem with the allowing people to opt out is that there is no guarantee they will plan.
And the problem with forcing them to opt in is that the government will raid this source of cash and their 'plan' will be used to pay for politicians fourth vacation homes instead.
And all the money they earned that could have used to make their lives better will be used by someone else.
Which is where we are now.
No Mod, the real problem is that our government is a leviathan that does too many things at exorbitant costs. Spending so far past the massive drain they already out in the economy to the extent that they enact monetary policy that bevauches our currency. Like teens watering down dad’s booze. Making things even more expensive. You helped make this happen, and still cheerlead the Marxist morons who are currently making it far worse.
Without you and your fellow travelers, things would be more affordable and charity could likely handle the rest.
1. Eliminate the income cap on the tax.
Sure, but unless you also then eliminate the cap on benefits, SS becomes just another wealth redistribution program (more than it already is).
Eliminate the income cap on the tax and cut benefits for those folk who started taking benefits before age 70.
You can’t pull the rug out from people who are already too old to go back to work.
Compensate them with larger government bug protein rations?
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Cut spending! Except for that. And that. No, you can't cut that either.
Or just cut the cap and make the rich fuckers actually pay into something for once.
Hmm, I wonder why a rag like this one would not mention that? Maybe their Koch masters don't like the idea of having to do ANYTHING for the country they profit so immensely from.
You plan on getting rid of the max distribution to go with that, shitlunches?
The commies have one plan and one plan only. every time. Take everyone's money, every last cent. If there's any money not being taken, go for that when you can with whatever excuse you can use.
Rich people pay most of the taxes already.
Raspberries have very little nutritional value, so this poor slob is certainly suffering from malnutritional brain damage.
Yep. We don’t have a taxation problem. We have a Shitlunches problem.
Another libertarian conundrum. Everyone wants to cut government spending. Just as long as it doesn't affect them or anyone they care about. That means everything is on the table except cuts that would result in people losing their jobs or their transfer payments.
That leaves..... nothing.
Well said.
No. Just platitudes from sarc so he can pretend being a Democrat isn't dishonesty.
Plenty of spending cut proposals have been issued. He ignores them and blames the gop for it, always ignoring the DNC.
The only balances budget plans the last 5 decades have come from one side.
I get nothing from sending money to Ukraine, let’s start there.
Sarc is pro Ukraine though.
You know who else refused to cut back on SS spending?
Well done.
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What have they done to my baby!!
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Robert Fulton?
And was infamous for "lock-boxes"?
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Trump, Vance and now comes Joe Biden, '...At a 2020 Iowa Brown & Black Presidential Forum held in January 2020, Biden said: "There will be no compromise on cutting Medicare & Social Security, period. That's a promise." ...' - this after advocating for decades for a balanced budget, a freeze on all government spending, including SS/Medi-care&caid.
Biden is morphing into Trump in real time. Seriously.
Both caught stealing documents, both with the same migrant policy, both big spending types.
The Trump Cult should love Biden.
It's different because the FBI raided Trump but they didn't raid Biden. That's what matters. Not the documents.
When you have everyone on mute, your arguments end up idiotic like sarcs.
Biden took documents before trump even considered running... yet you somehow blamed Trump.
Trump should not have had secret documents without either declassifying them or getting permission. Bad Trump.
Biden shouldn't have had secret documents from when he was a Senator or VP because he NEVER had authority to take them. He belongs in prison.
Sen. Cruz was asking how Biden was able to keep any classified docs from his time as a Senator as he has only been able to look at them himself in a SCIF at the Capitol. He is not permitted to take them. Nobody is. Allegedly.
Maybe he just copied them in his own writing?
Presidents have unlimited classification authority. Vice Presidents do not. Trump did nothing wrong. Biden is in big trouble.
And you rape children.
Biggest financial scam of all time about to be exposed good and hard.
They will keep the scam going just long enough for the Boomers to collect. Just tax young people more.
I like the cut of your jib. Can I get your newsletter?
If people could just opt out of Social Security (no taxes, no benefits) I'd be OK with it.
And what is your plan when people come back at retirement age and don't have the saving they need? You can say that not your problem, but it will be then.
Why is it my job to have a plan for every possible life outcome? My "plan" is to stop taking 15.3 percent of everyone's wages for their whole life and let them figure out their own 'retirement'
Are you aware savings rates dropped after the implementation of FICA?
Yes, but will they go up if we end FICA?
Future risk of hunger can do well to motivate people. Every time government increases government spending, more people refuse to work. See every time UBI has been implemented as well.
You can say that not your problem, but it will be then.
Only if you're threatening to make it my problem. Is that what you're doing?
He is merely understanding that 300 million idiots will start crying and go after you and your savings.
You're free to help them. And you can ask your like-minded friends to help, too.
This is why it’s so good to have progs like you around, mod. You’re always ready to step up and tell everyone what “we” “must do” to pay the bills for people we don’t know. Bravo, sir.
I am thinking of all the millions I would have in my retirement account if everything I paid into SS had been invested in indexed mutual funds instead. Sigh.
I did the calc a few years ago. I would need to collect SS until I am 104 to break even.
Unless the democrats are out down like the rabid animals they are, you will be forced into Carousel long before then.
No Republican should be listening to Donald Trump by this time and those that do will never learn.
The Republican control the House, they could a first-class job of looking into the problem with SS and Medicare, get a broad set of viewpoints on the issue, come up with proposed solutions, and try to sell them. This is boring and hard. Alternatively, they could investigate Hunter Biden. This will get them in the news and be a goldmine for donations. Which way do you think they will go?
If wehad term limits, perhaps they wouldn’t have the same motives.
Heffalumps are stupid, but eventually they watch the Donkeys and learn how to play the game. Thus, they will investigate Hunter Biden and some others. What's crazy is they think they actually need evidence - they haven't been paying very close attention to those finer points the Donkeys were using.
If they go anywhere near those things your fellow travelers will have them excoriated by their media lackeys. And we know your party will never cut or reform entitlement spending, or SS. Hell, your fellow travelers in SF want to give blacks $5 million each.
Better to focus on fights that can currently be win. Like stopping the democrats form adding those 87k ARMED IRS agents.
“Under no circumstances should Republicans vote to cut a single penny from Medicare or Social Security…”‘
Just in case none of the previous 70+ comments have mentioned the following:
Step 1) Make Medicare needs-based.
Step 2) Largely privatize Social Security.
Note: I say this as someone who doesn’t really need Social Security, and can certainly afford to pay a lot more for my health coverage than I do under Medicare. There was a reason I retired at fifty-eight: I could afford to do so.
Remove step 1. Proceed to step 2.
"Remove step 1."
I think we need to find some alternative financial structure as a step, before eliminating the Medicare system, before we do away with it entirely. Otherwise, any serious changes to Medicare will DOA.
Needs based entitlements are forbidden. I don't know why. But every time I suggest it people act like I just raped their kitten. Ask a proggie if the rich should be checks from the government and they will say no. Ask them if the rich should be social security checks from the government and suddenly the answer is "how dare you consider not giving the rich their gub'ment checks!".
Fucking crazy.
"Needs based entitlements are forbidden..."
I know what you mean.
To use an extreme example: Why the hell does Bill Gates need Medicare? As of last year, the maximum monthly SS check is $3,345 per month. That might pay Bill's monthly household utility bill.
Who decides? That's the problem with need based. Someone has to define "need."
Needs based would have to look at wealth, right? Currently everything is based upon income. While the two words are often used interchangeably, they mean totally different things.
"Needs based would have to look at wealth, right?"
No, it wouldn't "have" to. But I have no doubt some would try to sneak it in.
Another case for taking a good look at a consumption tax rather than an income tax. For instance: In any given year, I "spend" about twice my "income."
I'm all for replacing taxes on production with taxes on consumption. It is an axiom of economics that when you tax something and you get less of it. Taxing productive activity discourages the creation of wealth. It's stupid.
Sarc, I'll give you credit. This is a very intelligent comment.
"I’m all for replacing taxes on production with taxes on consumption."
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> Ignoring that is not a solution.
No, it's not a solution. But the job of congress is not to provide solutions but to pander to their electoral base. And that's what these lies do: pander to their electoral base.
Social Security is the sacred cow of Americans. You can't touch it. Bush suggested considering the possibility of studying the feasibility of putting it on the table for discussion, and he got himself a torn a new asshole for it. Only 9/11 saves his presidency.
So I predict in full confidence that the Federal Government will declare bankruptcy first, before fixing Social Security. Too many old people are voting, too many young people demanding entitlements, so they won't change anything when they get older either. We're fucked.
I agree that run to failure is the likely scenario. The US has become too much of a welfare state not to collapse. More government, more taxing and more money printing can’t solve this.
They can keep the promises on paper (with paper...printed...) but the actual standard of living promises for social security and medicare cannot be kept, and its not an issue of funding
both are a pyramid scheme across generations and the pyramid is leveling off.
That's Impossible.
That's what we said 35 years ago, and yet here we are.
"Under no circumstances should Republicans vote to cut a single penny from Medicare or Social Security," Trump said in a video message released by his presidential campaign Friday night.
From the author: "Refusing even to consider changes to Social Security might be a tidy way to pander to older Americans, but it's not a functional plan for entitlements."
Note that Trump didn't say changes were out of the question, just cuts. Perhaps the author missed that.
There are many ways to help SS & Medicare out without cuts. Among them: 1. Eliminate the contribution cap. Make every income dollar subject to SS taxation. 2. Raise the age qualification. From what I've read, when SS was created most did not live past 65. These days it's likely that most everyone blows past that age. Maybe 70 is a better age for initial SS and Medicare qualification. 3. Make federal legislators and all US civil servants participate in SS and Medicare. No separate systems, including for the federal retired.
My shocked face that Reason Magazine doesn't understand how Social Security works. The Trustees report has 3 scenarios when they look at projections. I won't go into the details here but I invite ANYONE to actually read the report. Not a hard read.
Anyway, raise the payroll tax by 1% on both sides, the employer and employee, change tax preference for LTCG and QDI on those making more than $1 million in income. Get rid of charitable deductions as only the wealthy have declare any.
Done and done.
Anyone who thinks there is going to be a reduction in SS has obviously never heard of Dan Rostenkowski.
This is just obviously correct. The claim in the article that no cuts is "impossible" is so stupid it hurts. Not cutting may or may not be wise. It may or may not be likely. But it isn't "impossible" unless you think tax increases are "impossible", an option so far from the author's apparent mental universe it is apparently not even worth admitting they can exist. Again, tax increases may or may not be wise, may or may not be likely, but they are **possible**. And, indeed, it wouldn't take radical changes to fix the solvency issue if we made them now; the longer you wait the worse it does get.
For the record, there is a GOP politician who recently proposed radical cuts to Social Security and other benefits programs -- Sen. Rick Scott. That worked out well for him didn't it?
There are more people retiring and less workers to support them. The cost of everything is going up. It'll take a bit more than raising FICA by 1% to make this program sustainable long term. You have to cut or manage costs.
Tax revenues aren't enough to pay entitlement programs, so the government often borrows money to keep the checks going out. In the real world that uses math, SS would be running giant deficits everywhere.
That won't work in the long term. Social Security is fundamentally broken. No other functioning society has such a bizarre and corrupt system.
Social Security needs to drop guaranteed, politically determined payouts and move towards a system where the payouts are determined by financial performance. Furthermore, it needs to drop progressivity and ensure that payouts are determined by what you pay in only; people who fall short should be handled by the welfare system, not Social Security.
Ideally, we gradually transition to a system in which Social Security just becomes a mandatory savings program, like a 401(k) with mandatory contributions.
Some transitional rules are needed to make all of that palatable to current retirees/voters.
Gorsuch would have had the Court take up the case. But he appears to have been alone. No other justices signed onto his dissent.
The era of Trump is over.
There is a much better way to deal with the shortfall than to raise taxes; cut spending!
If we were to cut the defense budget to be actual defense not world policing, cut the FBI back to act as a liason between states, and eliminate the CIA, NSA, DEA, and ATF, we would be very close to the $1 trillion needed.
Dept of Ed, HUD, Commerce should go as well. And DOE should be cut back to its original Atomic Energy Commission eliminating all the renewable bs.
Promising to do nothing, then, amounts to promising a 20 percent benefit cut in a little more than a decade. There is no getting around that fact.
And practically speaking, that’s the way to do it. Voters will never allow the cuts to be made voluntarily, only involuntarily. Show me a country where it's ever been done otherwise.
He isn't promising "no cuts", he says ""Under no circumstances should Republicans vote to cut a single penny from Medicare or Social Security". Like it or not, Democrat messaging has ensured that that's the only possible political choice for Republicans right now. Meaning, cuts will happen automatically.
Blame the Democrats.
O/T: Federal Reserve takes on Climate Change
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/23561441/federal-reserve-jerome-powell-climate-change-citigroup-jpmorgan
They’re coming for absolutely everything-
Damn Kulaks
"Given the extraordinarily expensive spate of climate-worsened disasters around the world in recent years and the far-reaching economic disruption of future warming, it makes sense that the US central bank would want financial institutions to figure out how this will affect them. "
Hahahaha!! Climate-worsened disasters are pure BS. Hurricanes are on a very slow decline since 1850. More people live on the coast making them more costly, but 99% lower death rates. Just don't provide gov insurance for hurricanes etc.
Next they'll get banks to do calcs on a meteor hitting the Washington Monument!
They aren't being audited ever...why?
The reason you don’t pay attention to reporters in general interest publications discussing economic issues is found in this statement right here: “ the only available option is to raise taxes.”
There are a great many ways in which one could resolve the issue, raising taxes is not the only one. You could make significant cuts to other programs, such as the recent crazy spending of the current government on climate... The money saved could be directed towards these programs.
You could tie this in with changing eligibility requirements. For example, people earning more than a set amount of money are not entitled to receive these benefits. Put that number high enough that the loss of income will not have any effect on them, and you won’t hear any complaining.
No party is going to push a 20% VAT on the population, not unless they want to give up power for the next 50 years. That’s completely a nonstarter.
Another option would be for the government to take a significant lump sum, in the hundreds of billions of dollars, and put this money directly into the fund for the benefit. Properly invested, this would eliminate the problem.
Stricter controls on spending by the government, holding the expansion of government spending to a percentage less than inflation, these would also be helpful.
Only Democrats think the only solution to a problem is throwing more money on it.
IMO, these retired American support programs can only remain solvent if we constantly adjust the eligibility age.
Yes, we all hear now about the tiny number of workers who support each retiree. But go back in time, and consider demographics and longevity. When SS was created, life expectancy was actually less than 65, and so only exceptionally old people would collect, and only for a few years.
Now most people make it to eligibility, and most live to receive many years of benefits. This is reflected in how many (most?) people will get out more than they put in, even with ROI.
To get back to the original intent (if you like it or not), we could set the eligibility age determined by the ratio of current to retired workers, or based on some actuarial formula for benefits vs. deductions.
There is much to that. When SS was created, the actuarial tables predicted only half the people eligible would live long enough to collect anything.
Unfortunately, healthy life expectancy has increased less than life expectancy. Meaning, if Social Security doesn't start at age 65, people will go on disability instead. In addition, if people work longer, payouts to those who survive will be higher as well. Increasing the eligibility age still is a good idea, but it will have a significantly smaller effect than you might think.
Remove the cap on income, that will solve the problem. Tax 15% of ALL income (earned & unearned) with no cap and phase out benefits as taxed income rises. After all, does Warren Buffet really need a Social Security check every month? Do the Koch brothers? The average worker in America is screwed over three times by Social Security: once, with an abysmal ROI of earnings, secondly by their benefits being taxed (thanks to Ronnie Reagan), and thirdly by paying taxes on 100% of their incomes while million-and-billion-aires, who live off "loans" against their stock portfolios pay zip, or barely on a fraction of their passive income. I doubt anyone could come up with a more pernicious way to fuck the American worker. But perhaps I underestimate the U.S. Congress.
By the way, Reagan didn't decide to tax SS, that was the legislative branch. Biden was in there, and yes, he voted for it. Tribalism is a useless tool as far as being swindled goes. If you're one of those people who think one party is to blame and the other blameless, you're part of the problem.
PS There's only one Koch brother left.
There was that moment in time when Bush proposed privatizing the whole thing, but Al Gore dismissed that as a "risky scheme". Of course, the idea of letting people keep the money they've earned and invest is simply ludicrous, better we should let people like Al Gore decide how much we get (vomits in mouth a little). Flemming v Nestor (1960) determined Social Security could not be analogized to an annuity bottomed by our contributions. No, the government needed the "flexibility" to tailor the amount meted out if the circumstances dictated. So instead of being in control of our own money, we've given it all to our drunken Uncle Sam to hold for us, believing he would never drink it all up and leave us with nothing. He wouldn't do that, would he?
There's no lock box, or trust fund, or social safety net. We give Sam the money and he drinks it up, and hasn't yet figured out what happens next. I apologize for the insult, most drunken uncles are bit more responsible.
Can't seem to get past FDR's New Deal.....
Sell them both off to various insurance companies and get rid of some of the Nazi-Empire the Democrats have made and just keep pushing for. It's time to throw National Sozialism in the garbage and bring back the USA defined by the US Constitution.
Having a government ensuring Justice for all (passing fraud laws to keeping insurance companies in JUST standing) is going to go a lot farther than just having them monopolize the whole GD thing where the only over-sight is themselves.
Where it stands now is they just legalize all their own FRAUD.
"Donald Trump and J.D. Vance Say No Cuts for Social Security. That's Impossible." - Reason Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire...
Ignoring the solution that Congress shores up the program before it hits insolvency.
I have never encountered a Libertarian who wasn't a congenital and perpetual liar.
Never...
You again? If you think Congress can solve this without taxation, fiat money, printing, borrowing, or genocide, you're lying to yourself! Which means you're lying to us too!
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Anyone who tries to cut social security should be publicly executed.
Yeah; because criminals have a right to run around with Gov-Guns STEALING from those icky people! /s
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Social Security will need to be scrapped and replaced with a means-tested welfare program for the elderly. Congress will not get started on this until the crisis of insolvency. We'll resume this discussion in ten years.
Or maybe it can just be a LOCAL run-of-the-mill welfare office for anyone in dire need to STEAL from the collective. Where the local population can at least have some horse-sense in the race.
And if the local population doesn't find it fitting to be robbed for those who compulsively skirt responsibility of themselves; there's always the *welfare* inside prison doors to lean on and it doesn't have to be massively strict just so long as some consequence is established from skirting one's own responsibility onto others..
Instead; what communism (like SS) does is entitles criminals who compulsively want to use Gov-Guns to steal from the working public (goods producing) to non-natural-consequence of their actions being deflected on the general population. As such there is no incentive to not be a lazy Gov-Gun armed-robber.
Beside raising taxes and cutting benefits, there is another solution: get the Fed to print enough money to cover the shortfall. This has been the solution to fiscal deficits for many decades. And according to Modern Monetary Theory, the Feds can simply raise taxes if the money printing causes inflation.
People will learn two things. Never sit on fiat-money (buy real assets) and ditch the USD. Both causing economical ruin. Just like what happened to Venezuela and countless other nations who tried to fiat-fake-value.
We're living out the consequences of printing more money and more taxation right now, Dummy!
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Realistically, the only serious approach will require some changes to existing Social Security benefits. That could mean reducing benefits for wealthier retirees or implementing across-the-board benefit reductions that would be phased in over time, allowing younger workers to offset smaller Social Security benefits with private savings. Ideally, workers would be able to opt out of Social Security altogether, so they can save and invest for their own retirement without having to pay payroll taxes.
Uh. NO. Changes are needed but this approach is not the answer
There are other approaches that would not mean cutting any benefits. Remove the cap on earrings subject to tax, now at $160,400, so that everyone, even those with income above that amount, pay the same tax rate. By itself, that eliminates three quarters of the projected shortfall. Adjusting the “retirement age” but recalculating the bend points so that lower earners continue to receive the same benefits as now but higher earners still get benefits but at a slightly lower rate at the top end, would eliminate much of the rest. And some small changes in the way the COLA is calculated would eliminate the rest.
It can be done without destroying the system that has provided at least a modicum of security for nearly a hundred years. The alternatives the article suggests only benefit the well off.
"lower earners continue to receive the same benefits as now but higher earners still get benefits but at a slightly lower rate"
Summary; MORE communism will save the failing USA....
If beating it with a hammer didn't fix-it just beat it with a hammer harder.
Since hollering MORE Communism is your go to, it would probably take more time than it is worth to explain to you how benefits are calculated now. The issue is bend points and rates. If anyone is interested see https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/piaformula.html which explains that now, as it has been since 1977 your benefit is calculated by having a 90% return for the lowest earners, a 32% return for the middle earners, and a 15% return for the tiger earners in a way similar to the calculation of tax rates.
Social Security, as with ALL defined benefit plans, has been inherently unsustainable from day 1. The amount that must be invested today to fund the promised payout is NECESSARILY determined by events that won't take place for several years. Therefore, it is literally impossible to properly fund a defined benefit plan. Long term, the ONLY way to protect peoples retirement, is to phase out Social Security entirely. If you tell current workers the longer they have before "retirement age", the greater % of their retirement income will be whatever THEY accumulate, far more of them will actually plan to fund their retirement.
When first created, Social Security was sold as intended for those that ran out of funds because they outlived their life expectancy by more than their savings an investments could provide. The original eligibility date was about 5 years past the life expectancy of people entering the workforce at the time. MOST people were expected to die before collecting.
So, what you’re saying is, it was a scam then, and a scam now.
OK, so how do we get rid of it?
No state goes on forever. The Swiss seem bound to commit national suicide by knuckling under to the EU, Rome fell because no one wanted to march out to defend them any more, and the US is going down the tubes in the name of "equity", of which SS is an early symptom.
It is not impossible. We had the US Mint printing trillions for covid relief and Biden’s woke bungled budgets, why not just keep the presses running and print trillions more to cover Social Security? (sarc)
See, if you own the money making machinery, nothing is impossible, except a strong economy!
Misleading title. Trump and Vance are talking about legislating changes to the Social Security law so that there are cuts to benefits in the near future. The author is conflating this with the reduction of benefits that will happen if Social Security can no longer maintain current benefits with payroll taxes and its savings. Nice clickbait. Also, why does a libertarian rag have a problem with changes to Social Security?
Mr. Boem, whether registered as such or not, is an agent of the Democrat Party. He very well knows that despite bipartisan refusal to reform Social Security, when it fails in the future the media will try to “blame” Republicans for the failure, but he also knows that if Republicans make moves – any moves – regarding social security or Medicare the Democrats will make more videos showing Republican wheeling “granny” to the cliff edge and dumping her out of the wheelchair and the MSM will fully support and endorse that perception to a not very bright electorate.
When the game is afoot, if the Republicans do something today they lose today. And if they do nothing today, they lose tomorrow. As quoted in a movie several years ago “The only way to win is not to play the game.” It’s hard to win in a game where your opponents are allowed to lie and not be challenged on their lies, and that’s where we are today. Mr. Boem is urging that the Republican should rush to embrace failure and loss today.
Well what is Biden's plan? The guy lying about the GOP cutting Social Security? Of course none of them want to talk about it, it is political suicide to steal peoples money for 40-50 years and they say sorry folks we mismanaged the whole thing and you are on you are your own in old age.
But Trump didn't cause the problem in 4 years in office, it took 60 years to develop, of which 40 or those years Biden was a Senator and 8 of them the VP. So who does Reason blame? Trump! What a bunch of morons.
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