Illinois Just Banned 'Assault Weapons' Because Their 'Only Intent' Is Mass Murder
The law is hard to defend on logical, practical, or constitutional grounds.

This week Illinois became the ninth state to ban "assault weapons." What are those? Gov. J.B. Pritzker's triumphant press release about the new law does not say, because the explanation would reveal the futility of trying to reduce gun violence through arbitrary restrictions that leave mass murderers and other criminals with plenty of equally lethal alternatives.
In Pritzker's press release, Illinois House Speaker Chris Welch (D–Westchester) describes the guns targeted by H.B. 5471, a.k.a. the Protect Illinois Communities Act, as "weapons of war." That phrase suggests Welch is talking about selective-fire rifles like those carried by U.S. soldiers, which can fire automatically.
That is clearly not true. Such rifles are strictly regulated under federal law, which has forbidden sales of newly manufactured machine guns to civilians since 1986. H.B. 5471 does not deal with machine guns; it deals with semi-automatic firearms, which fire one round per trigger pull.
"This new law begins the pushback against weapons whose only intent is to eviscerate other human beings," says Illinois Senate President Don Harmon (D–Oak Park). That claim is harder to check, because it is not clear what Harmon means.
Harmon's attribution of "intent" to inanimate objects implies that certain kinds of guns are inherently malevolent. According to this view, the firearms that Illinois has banned are not tools that can be used for good or ill but forces of evil that must be eradicated.
Based on the references to mass shootings that surround Harmon's statement, we can infer that he means "assault weapons" are suitable only for killing innocent people. But that also is clearly not true, since Americans own some 20 million rifles that fall into that legislatively defined category, and only a tiny percentage of them are ever used in homicides.
Handguns account for a large majority of firearms used in mass shootings, and they account for an even larger share of weapons used in all gun homicides: more than 90 percent in cases where the type of firearm was specified, according to the FBI's numbers. Rifles of any sort, only a subset of which would qualify as "assault weapons," were used in less than 3 percent of those cases.
In a 2021 survey, 30 percent of gun owners said they had bought rifles that are covered by the Illinois ban. Two-thirds of those "assault weapon" owners said they used them for recreational target shooting, while half mentioned hunting and a third mentioned competitive shooting. Sixty-two percent said they used the rifles for home defense, and 35 percent cited defense outside the home.
Even as Illinois legislators insist that "assault weapons" are good for nothing but mass murder, they acknowledge that the guns they damn have legitimate uses. H.B. 5471 allows current owners of these allegedly intolerable firearms to keep them, provided they register the guns with the state police.
Since unauthorized possession of an "assault weapon" is a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by up to 364 days in jail and a $2,500 fine, Illinois gun owners might want to find out if that registration requirement applies to them. They would be ill-advised to assume it does not simply because they do not own "weapons of war" or because they do not think their firearms harbor a homicidal "intent." Instead they must consult the legal definition of "assault weapon," which does not hinge on either of those fanciful factors.
H.B. 5471 emulates the approach embodied in the federal "assault weapon" ban that the House of Representatives approved last July. It applies to a long list of specific models, along with firearms that meet certain criteria. A semi-automatic rifle qualifies as an "assault weapon," for example, if it accepts detachable magazines and has any of six features:
1) "a pistol grip or thumbhole stock";
2) "any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand";
3) "a folding, telescoping, thumbhole, or detachable stock, or a stock that is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability of, the weapon";
4) "a flash suppressor";
5) "a grenade launcher"; or
6) "a shroud attached to the barrel or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel."
Since federal law prohibits civilian possession of military grenades, the practical impact of banning that fifth feature seems doubtful. Likewise with the other prohibited features, which may be useful in certain contexts but are by no means essential for mass murder. With or without a pistol grip, protruding grip, folding or adjustable stock, flash suppressor, or barrel shroud, a rifle fires the same ammunition at the same rate with the same muzzle velocity.
Removing those features makes little practical difference for someone bent on murder, although it may incommode law-abiding gun owners who, say, value the convenience of a folding stock, the versatility of an adjustable stock for shooters of different sizes, or the usefulness of flash suppressors in some hunting situations. Most mass murderers do not use guns with these features, and those who do surely could find suitable alternatives even if the government managed to eliminate "assault weapons," which H.B. 5471 does not purport to do.
By enacting "the strongest assault weapons ban in the nation," state Rep. La Shawn K. Ford (D–Chicago) says, Illinois is "sending the message that lives are valued over guns." Sending that message evidently was more important than crafting legislation that could reasonably be expected to improve public safety.
H.B. 5471 also imposes limits on magazine capacity: 10 rounds for rifles and 15 rounds for handguns. The rationale for those limits is that mass shooters who need to switch magazines more often will end up killing fewer people. That assumption is more plausible than the expectation that prohibiting features such as pistol grips, folding stocks, and barrel shrouds will have a meaningful impact on mass shootings. But "large capacity ammunition feeding device[s]," like "assault weapons," are very popular with law-abiding gun owners, who seem to think they are useful for noncriminal purposes.
In the 2021 survey of gun owners, about half of the respondents said they had owned magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds, which come standard with many of the biggest-selling rifles and pistols. Like the "assault weapon" owners, they cited a variety of lawful uses. Recreational target shooting (64 percent) was the most common, followed by home defense (62 percent), hunting (47 percent), defense outside the home (42 percent), and competitive shooting (27 percent).
If the need to switch magazines can make an important difference during a mass shooting, it also can make an important difference in self-defense situations, especially since people may face multiple attackers and most rounds fired in self-defense, even by trained police officers, miss the target. The authors of H.B. 5471 implicitly acknowledged that reality in two ways: They exempted police officers, and they set a higher limit for handguns, which the Supreme Court has called "the quintessential self-defense weapon."
Speaking of the Supreme Court, how is H.B. 5471 likely to fare against the inevitable constitutional challenges? In the 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller, the Court said the Second Amendment covers arms "in common use" for "lawful purposes," a description that plainly applies to the guns and magazines that Illinois has banned. Last year in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, the justices said gun control laws must be "consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation."
After Bruen, the Court vacated four appeals court decisions upholding state bans on "assault weapons" and "large capacity" magazines. It instructed the lower courts to reconsider those cases in light of Bruen. The Firearms Policy Coalition and other gun rights groups argue that "assault weapon" bans and magazine limits clearly fail the Bruen test.
Last July, U.S. District Judge Raymond P. Moore issued a temporary restraining order against a Superior, Colorado, "assault weapon" ban. He noted evidence that the firearms covered by Superior's law "are commonly used by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes," which means "the right to possess, sell, or transfer" those guns is "presumptively protected."
Moore said the burden is therefore on the city to show that its ban is "consistent with the Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation." He suggested that will be a formidable challenge: "The Court is unaware of historical precedent that would permit a governmental entity to entirely ban a type of weapon that is commonly used by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, whether in an individual's home or in public."
In Oregon, where voters approved a 10-round magazine limit in November, a federal judge was unimpressed by the Second Amendment argument against that law. But in December, a state judge granted a temporary restraining order based on the Oregon Constitution's guarantee that "the people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence of themselves." The Oregon Supreme Court declined to impose a stay on that order.
Dan Eldridge, a Des Plaines gun dealer who is president of Federal Firearms Licensees of Illinois, seems confident that H.B. 5471 will be defeated in the courts. He told CBS News he plans to keep newly prohibited magazines that came with guns his customers have recently purchased. He predicted that a court will enjoin the law "fairly quickly," at which point "we'll contact customers and let them collect the rest of their property."
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I just banned assault politicians , due to their only purpose being mass interference in my private affairs.
Why do police carry them?
Politicians?
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Police also have cars to be able to keep up with criminals in cars. The obvious solution, of course, is to ban all civilian cars because a few criminals used them at one point. Wait a minute… actually, cars are used by criminals MUCH more frequently than any rifle in history. WOAH that means we REALLY NEED to ban cars!
I'm guessing that made sense to you.
Not so much to anyone else.
No you're the odd one out.
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So ignore the every murders in favor of a political stunt that does nothing to address crime. Mass murders are rare, whereas daily killings in big cities are not. Maybe it’s time to spread out, decentralize government, and get back to more rural and suburban communities. The people tend to know, respect and look out for each other in smaller communities.
"Harmon's attribution of "intent" to inanimate objects implies that certain kinds of guns are inherently malevolent."
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Earlier this week, we had a Southern Illinois (Republican) state lawmaker on the radio, and he was saying that:
Of the 470 'mass casualty incidents' in Illinois since 2019:
- 7 were committed with long rifles (not all even 'assault weapons)
- 70 were committed with 'sharp or blunt' hand weapons (knives, bats)
- the rest (393?) with handguns
Yeah, but the Progressive Establishment tried to ban handguns, and failed. When I first started paying attention to politics in the mid-1970’s it was widely assumed that handguns would be effectively banned within a decade, and strong restrictions on long guns would follow quickly. Instead, very soon, ‘must issue’ laws started their march across the country.
The gun grabbers must feel like Wile E. Coyote when he’s been run over by a truck he thought was the roadrunner.
They’ve been fighting a losing rearguard battle for forty years, and I’m sure they have NO clue what happened.
Anything in the hands of a criminal can be a weapon including cars. We don’t want to be like Mexicans living in fear of cartel gangs because they can’t protect themselves. Americans don’t understand this because they don’t know history and totalitarianism. We have been isolated from wars and strife. Take away guns from our citizens and you will quickly Learn that there are evil people waiting to control you!
Ban steak knives and baseball bats! Duh.
Those facts are always left out of conversations about scary black guns.
Gun control laws aren't about safety, they're about degrading the people's capacities to resist tyranny.
Body armor works against pistol calibers. It does not work against high velocity rifles. That is the only reason these bans make any sense. And who has body armor? Mostly law enforcement.
You’re hilarious. Keep thinking you’ll resist tyranny with an AR-15.
If the US government was going to go full King George, do you think your semi auto will bring down a hellfire fired from 30,000 feet? Or penetrate the armor of an IFV?
There's always one of you piping up with his stupidity and cowardice.
Interesting comparison: King Geo had the most modern army the world had ever seen. You could learn another lesson from the Afghanis and the American military.
Back on topic. When (not if) the USG goes full genocidal on its citizens, we know where all of the infrastructure is. Fuel, food, factories, their families, etc. Destroy the supply chain and their moral and it gets a lot easier.
Okay tough guy.
If the commander in chief ordered the military to attack the people, the sovereign, at least half the military would disobey due to oath. They’re not bootlicking traitors like you.
If arming your citizens wouldn’t have an impact, the Ukrainian president wouldn’t have tried to do it from day 1 of the invasion. He could have used a second amendment.
Having armed citizens like the US raises the bar for tyranny. Armed as the American winners are, our government will never decide to go full genocidal on us.
AR-15s are items of common use and are here to stay. Guns have been winning in the courts and will continue to win against your will. Cry more.
Look, I get it. You hate America because it isn't YOUR vision of what it should be.
You'll get over it, or die someday, either way, you're irrelevant until you try overthrowing the government like your buddies tried to do on 1/6.
Now go be a good boy and roll coal over your other redneck friends and leave civilized society to the rest of us.
Not addressing a single one of my points and resorting to 100% ad hominem posts reveals your impotent dissociation from reality. Delicious.
Courts have been deciding in favor of the constitutionally cemented rights of gun owners and will continue to do so. And there is nothing you can do about it. Cry more, loser.
You just don't understand the concept of guerrilla warfare. Guerrillas take out armored vehicles through improvised means. For example, why fire 50 ar rounds at an armored vehicle when you can take the powder from the rounds and cook up an ied to take out one of the axles. You have to know where an enemy is to hit them with a hellfire missile. Guerrillas work in small highly mobile groups, often hitting several targets and then quickly disperse. By the time you scramble aircraft, they are gone. In your wet dream scenario a regular army could find itself out numbered by guerrilla fighters. Guerrillas are designed to take on forces that are larger than they are using methods such as infiltration, sabotage, demoralizing enemy troops and disruption and confiscation of military supplies. This is what your beloved masters are afraid of.
Uh huh. Love the tough talking militia types that always cry like babies when they're arrested.
Arrested for what dumbass? Being smarter than you? Guess everyone's going to jail. Some of us actually understand the theater of war, you obviously do not. This just shows your mind set leans toward the idea that if someone refutes your idiotic blithering that they should be arrested. You hide behind the state, because you are weak and pathetic. Others have real combat experience and know what I am talking about. Again this is what your masters are afraid of. It must be hard for you to understand, that in your scenario soldiers would be fighting soldiers who would be directing guerrilla forces. Only because the gov decided to go king George on it's people, and if you did not notice King George lost. But I wouldn't expect a weak delusional proglodyte such as yourself to understand... Well, anything. But good luck circle jerking your imaginary friends in fairy costumes pretending you are real girls.
One person with an AR15 won't be able to. Millions would. If the US military starts shooting missiles at fucking Nardz's house, they are going to lose the support of the population pretty fast. Recent history is full of armed insurgents holding off powerful modern militaries.
Uh huh. Your ability to disassociate from realty is impressive.
And your inability to understand the rightfulness of such resistance against a totalitarian state, even if futile, makes you a slaver. Fuck off to Canada already.
How American of you.
Your elliptical, defeated responses reveal your defensive and powerless dissociation from reality. Armed Americans have won. The conflict is settled.
See the problem is, you're not American.
No, the problem is that you are an idiot. My info comes from field manual 31-21, this manual being a U.S. Army guide on guerrilla warfare and special forces operations. Where do you get your info from? Unicorn farts?
I am, in fact, an embodiment of the American dream. And there is nothing you can do about it.
I'm not a useless illegal immigrant that's a burden on the American society though, so I see why you would be upset. We will continue to kick these parasites out, no doubt about that.
Oh, and maybe go look up what an elliptical sentence is. There's a chance you will learn something more useful than the DNC drivel you've been programmed with.
Let's not forget, they have to convince the army to attack it's own citizens...not everyone is a moron. The army is filled with citizens. I doubt it would turn out like the fascists believe it would.
The US armed forces and LEOs will do what they're ordered to do. Doubt that at your peril.
Will do what they’re ordered to do, which is serving the sovereign. “We, the people”.
Some might.
Would you?
No. That's why I could never have been a soldier or a cop. And why I will never be seated on a jury.
Unfortunately, the Xu flu showed that many will follow orders without thinking. Shooting your neighbors might be a bit more pushy, however.
An historical note from a country where guns are outlawed.
The Tienanmen massacre in China. When the leadership brought in the PLA to quell the protestors, the PLA solders would not shoot as they felt they were shooting their own people. These PLA units were drawn from the area of China where Beijing sits. After a week or so, those soldiers were removed from Beijing and PLA units were drawn from rural areas distant from Beijing. Those soldiers had no concomitance with the "big-city" Beijing protesters and shot freely.
The hell fire comes from a helicopter or drone that has to land and is controlled by a human. Humans have to eat, vehicles need fuel (or at least power).
Asymetric warfare is not about standing up to a superior force, its by exploiting weaknesses and cracks in the superior force.
And then there is the home owner who just happened to build a laser.
And since you brought it up. If the police want to own APCs, the public should be allowed to have weapons that can neutralize/stop one.
You think anyone would long tolerate the collateral damage most of those weapons of war would inflict? I don't think such civilian resistance would be conveniently sectional like the Civil War. It would be an insurgency and would take tanks and jets, etc., off the table.
Not to mention that those insurgents would likely massively outnumber the military and police even discounting how many of those would resist.
You seem to think that the politicians would always be “behind the wall”? AR-15s are decent weapons for picking off the politicians giving the orders.
Or that the Afghanis who have held off larger armies for decades with AK-57s?
Actually, you make a good case as for why the people should be allowed to own full-auto M-16, etc.
If an AR-15 is of no use in resisting tyranny, why do you tyrants want to ban them?
What classifies as a mass casualty event? Two or more victims?
So the thug who borrowed a car and used it to run down several people in front of a night club,killing three of them must have been a mass casualty event.
So all Illinois PD are turning in their "assault weapons", because we don't need cops armed with only the intent to mass murder, right?
It could lead to some interesting court cases.
Now, now. Of course all peace officers of virtually any colored stripe from the Secret Service to the Coast Guard, active or retired, are exempt. Can't have a police state without police.
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But, but, he *just* said they are "weapons whose only intent is to eviscerate other human beings", and that "assault weapons" are suitable only for killing innocent people.
So if the police have them, then we have to assume that the police plan on using them to eviscerate (kill) *innocent* people.
Never mind the millions of AR15 owners who never murdered even a single person. The Illinois legislature knows why these guns exist. They're just waiting for their big chance and then the guns will all leap into action of their own accord. Or something.
Whenever someone tells me that "Guns are only made for killing people" I point out that I've fired literally thousands and thousands of rounds, including many through so-called "assault weapons" and never killed anyone, so I must be using mine wrong. In reality, a firearm is designed to fire a projectile at high speed at whatever it is aimed at.
There are some 300M firearms owned by private citizens in this country; 43% of all US households own one or more firearms.
The US population owns about 20 million AR-15-style weapons. According to recent (as of this month) FBI statistics, rifles of any type were used in only 2% of homicides in 2018 (297 of 14,123). The FBI does not report the specific type of guns used, but AR-15s represent a small subset of all rifles in the United States.
Some estimates are that 20 billion rounds of ammunition are used every year in the US. In 2021, there were 12,520 firearm homicides. So something like 99.9999374% of the time someone fires a bullet, it is to do something *other* than kill someone.
More than 100M people use their 300M firearms, firing billions of rounds of ammunition to do something OTHER than killing people with them. Seems like the most common use for firearms is anything BUT killing people.
Gov. J.B. Pritzker
What's this? Another (D) politician who's a posterboy for the "wealthy white male privilege" Democrats claim they want to dismantle?
Guy's biography is similar to a certain Reason.com sugar daddy. 🙂
Oh, he's one of the richest Democrats you ever met. He also manages to make Chris Christie look skinny.
Pritzker was born with a platinum spoon in his mouth. He also tried to cheat Cook County out of property tax on an adjoining mansion he owned by removing the toilets and having it declared uninhabitable.
https://www.wabe.org/illinois-gov-candidate-removed-mansions-toilets-to-dodge-taxes-report-finds/
The toilets were removed shortly before the affidavits in the property tax appeal were submitted. The county assessor’s office “lowered the 6,378-square-foot mansion’s assessed value from $6.3 million to about $1.1 million,” The Chicago Tribune reports.
As a result, the inspector general writes, “the County ultimately fell victim to a scheme to defraud … which resulted in the property owner ultimately receiving property tax refunds totaling $132,747.18 for the years 2012, 2013 and 2014, as well as additional tax savings of $198,684.85 for the years 2015 and 2016.”
Hence, locally, he's also known as Emperor Commodius Maximus.
As for the toilet removal, he also rewarded the contractor.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/pritzkers-toilet-removal-contractor-gets-nearly-9m-in-covid-19-work/
Bulley & Andrews was hired by First Lady M.K. Pritzker to remove toilets in order to have a mansion on Chicago’s Gold Coast deemed uninhabitable. The move saved the Pritzkers $331,000 in property taxes on the mansion they own next to their home. Once the county inspection was over, M.K. Pritzker had the contractors reinstall one toilet in J.B.’s “hangout/meeting area.”
"The move saved the Pritzkers $331,000 in property taxes..."
Sorry I can't be pissed about this. Brilliant!
Pritzger is thoroughly corrupt and evil and everybody knew it before he was elected let alone reelected. And don't get me started on his "sister". But at least we don't have an "election denier" in the governors mansion per Reason.
How is it someone like him can be elected and re-elected?
Are the people of Illinois really that stupid?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
Thanks H.L Menken.
He also gave us this one:
"As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
He was downright prescient.
An Illinois politician who is corrupt. Whoda thunk it?
Pritzker is also behind the so-called SAFE-T Act that is under IL SC scrutiny.
https://johnkassnews.com/pritzker-democrats-and-the-safe-t-act-a-push-too-far-or-more-shut-up-and-take-it/
But Illinois is a different place. There is a cost to taking beating after beating without complaint. When it comes time to stand and fight, the fight has been whipped right out of them.
The Democrats are pushing that SAFE-T Act of theirs. It will let violent criminals out of jail and the people of Illinois are supposed to keep their mouths shut about that. If you dare say complain, Pritzker and the Illinois Democrat Party he’s bought, and the corporate legacy media in Illinois will call you a racist.
"That claim is harder to check, because it is not clear what Harmon means."
He's a politician, assuming he actually means something is giving him too much credit.
Pritzker is especially concerned about mass murder because he's the biggest mass he knows. Step away from the cheeseburgers, you walrus.
O fuck, that was good.
Time to ban assault burgers.
Nobody needs more than 10 pickles.
Bullshit.
Well, it depends on the type of pickle.
Anyone check to see if there's a zipper in his forehead?
Since unauthorized possession of an "assault weapon" is a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by up to 364 days in jail and a $2,500 fine, Illinois gun owners might want to find out if that registration requirement applies to them.
What would happen if all those miscreants got together and marched to the statehouse to "turn themselves in"?
Tragically all of the guns that would have qualified were swept up in that arctic tornadic event we had a couple weeks ago. They are currently orbiting the planet but could fall to earth before the Great Illinois Civil war of 2028.
The law appears to be aimed to deal with one particular progressive anxiety. Which is, that authoritarian government would be met by fusillades from deplorables holding "assault rifles". It's clearly not about addressing typical gun-related ghetto homicides, which use handguns. That's why the law carefully specifies the look of a comic-book ar-15 style weapon only, ignoring all other forms of semi-auto weapon. It's a law that tries to quell an imagined nightmare fear.
Yes, the law also bans rifles chambered for .50 BMG, which have been involved in virtually no crime nationwide over the last 30 years. They might function as low-end anti-tank weapons, so I have to guess people in Springfield are considering patrolling the streets and by-ways of Illinois with armored personnel carriers and other armored vehicles. Shows you what they think of the populace.
The Federal Assault Weapons Ban did nothing to make anyone safer. Assault weapons are a fictional category of firearms categorized by cosmetic effects that some people find "scary" but have zero to do with the muzzle velocity, rate-of-fire, stopping power, magazine capacity, or lethality.
For example, the basic Ruger 10/22, never fell under the ban, since it lacked the necessary cosmetic features.
For about $100, one can purchase some plastic to replace the wooden parts.
The resulting rifle, which has the same barrel, feed mechanism, trigger mechanism, magazine is somehow now magically an "assault weapon"?
Without his AR-15, Kyle Rittenhouse would be dead and two scumbags would be alive, and probably get off scot-free.
-jcr
But that just proves the need for a ban, right?
And he crossed a state line. From Illinois.
But without his AR-15, that he always left in WI.
A meaningless distinction in that part of IL/WI. It's like saying you cross state lines from NJ to NYC. Technically true but so what?
Without his AR-15, Kyle Rittenhouse would be dead and two scumbags would be alive, and probably get off scot-free.
Slight correction, without his AR-15, Kyle Rittenhouse wouldn't have been forced to clear a malfunction and probably would've killed Grosskreutz too.
Now, agreed, without *any* semi-automatic weapon, Kyle Rittenhouse would probably be dead and two scumbags would be alive, and probably get off scott-free. /FA hate 🙂
Rittenhouse was also able to disarm another mostly peaceful rioter.
Without his AR Kyle never would have driven to Kenosha.
And the criminals would have gotten away with it like you wished they would.
Instead, they got CURB STOMPED by winning Americans.
Gotten away with what?
And I'm assuming you vigorously denounce the 1/6 crowd that rioted?
Thought not. Go back to Russia.
Multiple arsons and assaults.
Do you denounce the blm crowd that laid siege to the white house. You know, when you dipshits were prancing around chanting bunker boy? Thought not, to back to your Village People concert.
Don't associate the Village People with this clot.
They had intelligence and talent, and people enjoyed their performances, none of which he could be convicted of.
Don't forget about his car, Kyle the commie slayer couldn't have made it there without his car also.
What is so bad about the democrats who vote for these laws is that they know absolutely nothing about firearms. You could show them a pellet gun, a revolver, a semi-auto 9mm pistol, an AR15, a 50 cal, and a military automatic firearm (such as M249), and the politicians would not be able to identify either one correctly, nor the type of magazine or ammo they use. The "experts" they depend upon are all anti-gun, anti-2nd Amendment activists, who believe it is okay for THEM to own firearms (for they are "experts" after all), but not for you and I to own any.
Much as the Colorado politician from several years ago, when discussing firearm magazine bans, said that if they banned purchasing them now, eventually they would all be used up and people would no longer have them. She should have immediately followed that statement by resigning due to obvious ignorance.
Hopefully, this law will be overturned asap.
Hence their use of the term 'semi-auto' as a scare tactic, as if it's an uncommon feature of modern rifles or handguns, or call some low caliber civilian weapon that looks a little scary a 'weapon of war' when it bears almost no functional or practical resemblance to anything a well-equipped modern soldier would ever consider using on a battlefield.
Kinda like climate change. We have to somehow return to the pre industrial age.
I have three firearms that are not semiautomatics - one pump shotgun and two bolt action hunting rifles. Every handgun I own, as well as the rest of my rifles and shotguns, are semiautomatics. Went from the pump shotgun to a semiautomatic this year, for home defense, because of the softer recoil and that I won’t short stroke it when the adrenaline is high and I need it most.
The technology is well over a century old, and a significant majority of firearms sold in this country every year utilize that technology. So much for the Bruen common usage prong.
I lost all of my semi-automatics in an unfortunate boating accident a while ago.
I wouldn’t be surprised if mine didn’t end up similarly lost. These boating accidents seem to be occurring at an increasing frequency.
Stupidity and (intentional ignorance) have never been disqualifiers for public office. They mean even be assets.
"What is so bad about the democrats who vote for these laws is that they"
are totalitarian cancer who intend to destroy you.
I keep a magazine ad for the Ruger Precision Rimfire, .22LR handy for when I get a chance to talk with one of those sorts. I ask them if this rifle should be banned, and why?
https://www.ruger.com/products/precisionRimfire/specSheets/8401.html
Almost every single one says yes, with a rationale that generally amount to "it looks scary". It's got an adjustable stock, a pistol grip, and a barrel shroud!
They generally don't care when I point out that it is bolt-action and .22LR (one of the lowest-power ammunition), they still demand that it be banned.
>>Most mass murderers do not use guns with these features
there's the tell.
Yeah, but all the baddies in movies and TV show do. And Hollywood always tells the truth.
Apparently there isn't any difference between Defensive and Aggressive use to Nazi-Politicians. It's just simply Nazi's controlling the monopoly of Gun-Force is always right and citizens are always wrong.
The serfs do not have a right to kill another subject without the permission of their lords.
Theater. I expect at least five thumbs down form SCOTUS.
Glad I don't live in Illinois...I'd have to register my ruger 10-22? A rifle sold since 1945. The classic here is you don't have to register a real assault weapon..the M1 Garand which was used by the US Army from WW2 to 1960 and millions sold via the CMP by the Federal Govt to civilians. Time to liberate Illinois from stupidity
I have a cousin who lived in and around the Chicago area for years.
He now lives in Missouri City,Tx. He said it's the best move he's ever made.
When is this gun control shit going to end?
CB
It won't. Firearms will eventually be outlawed.
Not in your lifetime they wont.
"Illinois Just Banned 'Assault Weapons' Because Their 'Only Intent' Is Mass Murder."
Illinois' only intent is mass murder?
Checks out...
Chicago is doing great.
Check out CWB Chicago: https://cwbchicago.com/
I work with a guy who lives in Illinois, across the river. His son has several automatic weapons in his house. The good news is that his son is now looking to move out to Iowa because he likes his guns. I told my friend that he should be careful and maybe I shouldn't hang around with a likely felon (possessing automatic weapons in Illinois, even if it was his son's).
Note, the local Illinois county sheriff posted a letter stating that he was not going to enforce any of this nonsense. That nonsense is for Chicago and Springfield.
The whole argument over long guns is a waste of time. For most people a semi auto rifle is not a good home defense weapon. Rifles are intended to engage a target at 50m+. How many people have a home that size? Get handgun or shotgun and just admit you want the rifle because.
And please, drop the defense from tyranny nonsense. We're way past forming a firing line at the town square. Your 5.56 isn't going to penetrate the armor of an MRAP or stop a missile fired from a drone.
Let Illinois ban them. Move to another state if you don't like it.
Yeah, what's the big deal about tyranny anyway? Move to another state if you don’t like it.
Move to another country if you don’t like the Bill or Rights.
So anything to my point? Or just more Turner diaries conspiracy?
Will a 5.56 penetrate the skull of an MRAP driver who pops out to take a piss? Asking for a friend.
Keep talking. Your IP address will make it easy to trace you.
Keep talking, your words will make it easier to tell that you are a dumbass.
You say that as if more proof was needed.
England has/had a modern army with armored vehicles, battleships, attack helo's, etc. yet was fought to concessions by the IRA armed with bolt guns, pistols and fertilizer bombs. A guerrilla resistance doesn't have to penetrate armor every shot. See Afghanistan (2x). And winning isn't the point. It is going down hot and heavy on two feet rather than on the knees in front of your destroyer. Think a Warsaw Ghetto resister would have cared that they couldn't penetrate armor?
Another wannabe Rambo that thinks they're going to overthrow the government.
Another sycophant who assumes that his position in life somehow will keep him from being put up against the wall by a tyrannical government should it ever come to that.
His position in life is bent over getting assfucked by a donkey, with a giant smile on his face.
15-20 years ago, a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 (those are pump action shotguns) was standard issue for police cruisers. Now it is, with rare exceptions, an AR 15. Why?
They are fast and accurate, near and far. I am equally proficient at 7 yards as I am at 100 with the ones I own.
I think you are big on opinion and rather short on knowledge.
Why? Because of the Bank of America robbery.
Why is about as far as you should have gone, because that is the sum of your understanding.
The primary reason is that the mass media have spent several decades making people afraid of AR-15s, so there is a deterrent aspect.
If arming your citizens wouldn’t have an impact, the Ukrainian president wouldn’t have tried to do it from day 1 of the invasion. He could have used a second amendment to begin with.
If the commander in chief ordered the military to attack the people, the sovereign, at least half the military would disobey due to oath. They’re not bootlicking traitors like you.
Having armed citizens like the US raises the bar for tyranny. Armed as the American winners are, our government will never decide to go full genocidal on us.
AR-15s are items of common use and are here to stay. Guns have been winning in the courts and will continue to win against your will. Cry more.
Illinois House Speaker Chris Welch (D–Westchester) describes the guns as "weapons of war."…They exempted police officers
A bold move for the Illinois legislature to admit its police officers are at war with the citizenry. I would think an easy way to defund the police would be to take their toys away.
state Rep. La Shawn K. Ford (D–Chicago) says, Illinois is "sending the message that lives are valued over guns."
Given the weapons the state believes it has the constitutional authority to ban are used orders of magnitude more times for self defense against criminals, I applaud the honesty of Ford to admit whose lives…checking…he values.
Several IL county sheriffs and prosecutors have made public statements that they will not enforce portions of this law that require individuals to register firearms they already own.
https://fox2now.com/news/illinois/one-illinois-sheriff-refuses-to-enforce-assault-weapons-ban/
So I guess when I take them to the range and try to see how tight a grouping of holes I can put in a target, I'm doing it wrong.
The year 2021 was a good one for Chicago as they managed to murder 855 people .For 2022 the total stands at 736. Wanna bet most were murdered with handguns.
2022 total:
Shot and killed: 665
Shot and wounded: 2937
Total shot:3602
Total homicides:736
http://heyjackass.com/
The term assault weapon became widelynused in the late 1980s and popularisation is attributed to a paper written by gun control activist and Violence Policy Center founder Josh Sugarmann:
“The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic vs. semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons”. WAPO Jan 17, 2013
Is that paper still available anywhere on the internet? Or has it been scrubbed?
Yep. See my comment above regarding Ruger Precision Rimfire, a "black gun" that is bolt-action and chambered in .22LR. But anti-gunners tend to immediately drop it into the "assault weapon" ban pile.
When the US Senate Judiciary Committee grilled him for an “assault weapon” definition in August 2022, the gun control advocate nominated by Biden to head the ATF had the following response:
“There is no way I could define an assault weapon,” Chipman finally said.
In 2019, according to FBI numbers cited by the Firearms Policy Center, “there were only 364 homicides committed with rifles of any type, compared to 6,368 with handguns, 1,476 with knives or other cutting-edge instruments, 600 with personal weapons (hands, feet), and 397 with blunt objects UCR FBI Crime in the US 2019
In May 2021 the Georgetown School of Business published the following findings:
32% of US adults own firearms, equalling 81.4 million
Of these over 30% or 24.6 million reported owning “an AR 15 or similar” style rifle.
1. They are commonly owned
2. Rarely used to commit crimes
3. Deliberately misrepresented
Notice how low those estimates are of the number of guns Americans have. Maybe 20% or so of the best estimates. Heck, sales have been running at better than a million guns a month for several years now (or at least a million NICS background checks a month, which underestimates sales because it ignores multiple firearms sold at the same time, as well as purchases in many states made by concealed carry licensees (that is the big reason I keep a CCL in MT, that has gone to constitutional carry - so I won’t be slowed down by a NICS check when I buy firearms).
According to that national firearms survey by Georgetown, there are an estimated 44 million AR “or similar” owned by the 24.5 million gun owners. I am doing my part with 4.
If police violate your Constitutional rights they can be sent to jail. Politicians and others who hire and manage police, should be treated exactly the same; a law like this that is so blatantly unconstitutional should put those that pass it into prison.
they can be sent to jail.
But they virtually never are.
Pritzker isn't at risk from "assault weapons", he's at risk from foie gras and Wagyu beef; ban those.
I once designed and constructed a firearm with a built-in intent to kill. Ii failed in spite of hundreds of hours of training. The stupid rifle just sat there and did nothing.
With AI and drones, that can be changed.
"With AI and drones, that can be changed."
Interesting.... will look into that... just don't tell nobody....
You forgot to paint it black.
in 2022 around 32,000 people were killed in vehicular accidents, and 21,000 were murdered with firearms. Strangely, no one has a problem with cars killing more people accidentally than guns do on purpose.
Cars should be banned too, and for more reasons than all the death they cause in wrecks.
That's in the works. WEF plans to ban personal transportation. You will only have a fifteen minute radius to walk to get to anywhere you need to go, that is to pick up your daily ration of bugs.
I foresee much walking around, constantly afraid of blundering into a rare but salient mass shooting, as well being hit by lightning or dying in an earthy (he has to live in fear of those too because they pose the same odds).
They will say something like "but cars have other uses, they weren't designed to kill people".
In the US, literally billions of rounds of ammunition are fired annually. Something like 12,500 people are killed by firearms (not counting suicides). So it seems clear that 99.9999+% of the time, guns are used for purposes other than killing people.
If these really were weapons of war meant solely to eviscerate human beings, why are police officers, retired police officers, private detectives, private security contractors, jail wardens and jail staff, and security workers at nuclear reactor facilities all excluded from the ban? Are nuclear reactor sites secretly human extermination facilities? It turns out that these weapons are actually very useful as defensive weapons, which is why all of the above possess and use them.
The law seems to be written by sixth graders.
"The law seems to be written by sixth graders."
I disagree Most of the sixth graders I know could actually do a much better job. For that matter, my cats probably could, too.
Human beings reach their peak of wisdom and rationality at about age 11.
That's insult to sixth graders.
They plan to use them to eviscerate innocent people. Because that's the only thing those guns are made for.
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The US constitution is an antiquated piece of shit that spends half its time giving sops to slaveowners and invented a form of government that's currently on the verge of collapse.
You should just say that the cost in human lives of maximum gun proliferation is worth either being able to indulge in your own sick fetish or the profits of the arms industry.
Fuck the constitution. It's not a skirt. Stop hiding your psychopathic worldview behind it.
Someone please export Tony... He doesn't belong here.
He’s broken and angry that some one won’t come forth like Prince Charming to provide for his every need and protect him the vicissitudes of life, so looks to the government for that.
So what would replace it with? Das Kapital? Chairman Mao's little red book?
Obviously you've never read a single sentence of it nor the Declaration of Independence.
You sound extra bitter there Tony, take it easy on our beloved constitution or you will blow a gasket. Look, if the left disobeys laws that it doesn’t like (immigration) the right is going to do the same thing (assault rifle bans). It’s a two-way street. Either we are all going to obey the law, or we are not. O.K. comrade?
In the fantasy world of gun grabbers these derivatives of AR-15s are some kind of magical weapons of mass destruction. In the real world civilian derivatives of the AR-15 are semi-automatic varmint rifles. They have never been effective military weapons. Even the military versions are not as effective as previous rifles. The late Colonel (Ret.) David Hackworth called them "rabbit shooters" for good reason. Since firearm technology is at least 700 years old there is no possible way to prevent criminals from making guns. Any crook with a milling machine and metal lathe can make a belt-fed machine gun if that is what they want to do. Governments can only ban the legally registered weapons of law abiding citizens. The unregistered weapons of criminals cannot be located so they cannot be banned. This should be obvious to any thinking adult so there must be more to these bans than improving public safety.
Who says most politicians think? They just follow who's yelling, or paying, the loudest/most with a knee-jerk reaction that never works.
When have liberal Democratic politicians ever cared about logic, practicality, or the constitution? They are interested on thing, POWER and the power must be unopposed. One Party Dictatorship.
Only 3 Illinois counties, Cook, Lake, and Champagne have agreed to enforce this. 74 have outright refused.
There’s 102 counties in IL. I would note…that even in some of the counties who have not signed onto the ‘pledge’ to not enforce, they expressed grave doubts about the laws constitutionality given recent US SUP CT precedent (namely in Bruen). So basically, waiting for someone to file a suit and an injunction to be entered.
But what is perhaps most deliciously ironic, McDonald v City of Chicago is a relatively recent sup ct case that struck down a Chicago city ordinance requiring the registration of handguns for private use. So this law requiring registration of ‘assault weapons’ (so defined by the legislation) is quite unlikely to find support in the courts. This case also cemented the fact/precedent that the 2nd amendment in the federal bill of rights is incorporated to the states and applies to both state and local laws. Womp Womp. The governor did state at the signing that he was confident its constitutionality would be upheld. I think they know it will be struck down but they will say ‘they tried to do something about the gun violence and the courts blocked us’ come election time. Typical political games.
If we had a Republican in the White House and DOJ, Pritzker would soon be investigated for corruption and malfeasance.
Four of the past eleven state governors of Illinois have landed in prison.
Mike Madigan is under investigation for corruption also.
A corrupt governor from Illinois? that’s weird, what are the odds of that happening, AGAIN?
That BJ Pritzker is one fat, authoritarian cunt. He makes Chris Christy look small by comparison, Am I right ?
The most important distinguishing characteristics assault rifles is the combination of an ability to fire high velocity rounds - they explode tissue and even organs that are nearby in the body - with portability, semi- automatic firing, and high capacity. Any one of those by itself is not that useful for killing humans. Taken together, that is what they were designed for, and what they excel at, but not much else. You could claim target shooting is why you need a machine gun, but that's not a real use.
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