South Carolina Supreme Court To Decide the Future of the Death Penalty in the State
On Thursday, the South Carolina Supreme Court began hearing arguments in a case that could see the state's attempt to execute inmates by electrocution or firing squad declared unconstitutional.

On Thursday, the South Carolina Supreme Court began hearing arguments in a case that could determine how—and if—executions are carried out in the state.
Plaintiffs argue that South Carolina's two preferred methods of execution—the electric chair and firing squad—violate state and federal constitutional prohibitions on cruel and unusual punishment.
The lawsuit was filed by three death row inmates in March 2022 after the South Carolina Department of Corrections announced that it was prepared to carry out executions by firing squad. The announcement came following the passage of a 2021 law, which—after the state ran out of lethal injection drugs and pharmaceutical companies refused to supply more of them—replaced lethal injection with the electric chair as the preferred method of execution in the state. Under the law, prisoners could also elect to die by firing squad, or lethal injection, should the state be able to obtain the necessary drugs. The state has not been able to carry out an execution since 2011 due to running out of lethal injection drugs.
If the case is eventually decided in favor of the defendants, South Carolina could become effectively barred from carrying out executions of its death-row prisoners, as they would have neither the drugs to kill inmates by lethal injection nor the legal ability to use their other proposed methods.
The death row inmates argue that execution by both the electric chair and firing squad violate protections against cruel and unusual punishment found in both South Carolina's state constitution and the U.S. Constitution. "The electric chair and the firing squad are antiquated, barbaric methods of execution that virtually all American jurisdictions have left behind," a lawyer for one plaintiff wrote in a motion filed in April 2022.
In September, a lower court agreed with the death row inmates, writing that South Carolina "ignored advances in scientific research and evolving standards of humanity and decency" when they passed the law allowing electric chair and firing squad executions. The lawsuit has since been appealed to the state's supreme court, which began hearing arguments on Thursday. The court is not expected to issue a ruling for several months, and an appeal from the losing party is also expected to draw litigation out further.
Regardless of the case's outcome, it's doubtful any of the methods presented to death row prisoners—electric chair, firing squad, or lethal injection—are in any way "humane." The tortuous process of death by lethal injection is well documented. So, too, is the excruciating death wrought by the electric chair. Even death by firing squad, while often considered the most humane of the three options, still carries significant potential to cause substantial suffering.
As one expert testified during lower court proceedings, "The animal husbandry community, after intense work, has concluded that they would not do to an animal in the slaughterhouse what is done in South Carolina in the death penalty."
Thus, the issues presented in this latest legal battle are unlikely to go away any time soon. Pharmaceutical companies have long refused to supply states with lethal injection drugs, and as supplies of these drugs dwindle, states are turning to alternative methods to kill their death-row prisoners. Alternate methods of execution—like the electric chair or firing squad—are allowed in 14 states. So far, eight people have died by these methods since 2010—seven by electric chair and one by firing squad.
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What happened to the good old gallows?
It’s old. It also takes a good deal of skill on the part of the hangman to do it correctly the way it has been done (officially) in the US (going for breaking the neck rather than suffocation from a slow hang).
My view on the death penalty is complicated.
On one hand, I do think that there are rare cases* where it can be morally justified.
On the other hand, I think reasonable doubt is too loose a standard for guilt when the death penalty is on the table and I don’t trust our government to be able to administer it accurately and even handedly.
But if courts are going to rule that the death penalty is constitutional in principle. I don’t think they should in any way entertain challenges to specific execution methods.
Juries deciding on applying the death penalty should see it as ugly and brutal, and not see it like putting down a beloved pet that is too sick/injured to heal.
If we are going to modernize execution methods, I vote for vacuum chamber.
*Serial killers/rapists, mass murderers.
Well, the US Constitution says you can't take a life without due process.
The only way to read that is that WITH due process, you can take a life.
(And just for the record, if an action is not both cruel and unusual, it cannot be punishment)
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On one hand, I do think that there are rare cases* where it can be morally justified.
On the other hand, I think reasonable doubt is too loose a standard for guilt when the death penalty is on the table and I don’t trust our government to be able to administer it accurately and even handedly.
Agreed. I think there's been a few cases where I'd trust the outcome (Boston Bomber, DC Snipers). Short of that I don't trust cops/juries enough to permit the death penalty. Too many wrong convictions. If we could be 100% sure in convictions then I'd support it more. I believe its a useful deterrent. Problem is the false conviction rate.
Juries deciding on applying the death penalty should see it as ugly and brutal, and not see it like putting down a beloved pet that is too sick/injured to heal.
How about seeing it like putting down a rabid animal?
If we are going to modernize execution methods, I vote for vacuum chamber.
Nitrogen hypoxia. Easy. Cheap. Uses standard equipment. Creating a vacuum is hard.
Yeah... It ain't rocket science.
And I don't buy the "they don't deserve it" argument.... There are plenty of people who deserve far worse than a slow, painful death. May we all avoid getting what we deserve.
I aspire to do better. We should do the same as a people.
But if you are gonna go about killing, inert gas should do the job. Super quick drop to unconsciousness, unregulated, unlockable... And you would not even know it happened. It is a recommended method of suicidefor those reasons.
I am not sure why they are having such a tough time.
It's the anti-death penalty people: Any time you try to use a new process, they get a chance to litigate all over again, and drag things out, potentially for decades. So states try to stick with approaches that have already been litigated and signed off on by the courts.
The last thing death penalty opponents want are headlines like, "Brutal murderer painlessly executed, out like a light without feeling anything." They want bungled executions and suffering.
"How about seeing it like putting down a rabid animal?"
When putting down a rabid animal, how concerned would you be about being "humane"?
My point is that if you make the death penalty too humane, juries will be more (too) willing to impose it in cases where it isn't really justified.
I'll never forget watching something on the news back in the mid 2000s. It was an interview with the lawyer of a man convicted of killing his family. This wasn't some noteworthy case or anything, but I remember it because they asked him how his client was doing after 1 week in prison.
He said he was doing okay and had "watched the lord of the rings trilogy". That to me is sickening. I want horrible prison conditions for murderers. I don't want them to ever see sunlight again. I want them fed nothing but stale bread and water. I want them to want to die and to be denied that sweet sweet release.
I would be 100% against the death penalty if that was the prison experience for every murderer. I also realize innocent people do get charged, so I would want an overwhelming amount of evidence before we decide. But if we have a dude on video murdering someone and he also admits it in court then honestly he should not get 10 years of appeals, just put him down.
Let's make executions less expensive. Just put a bullet in them, double tap them like it's fucking Zombieland. We are killing them for doing horrible things why do we give a shit if it is painless or not? We don't need fancy drugs or gas, several bullets to the brain will end someone quick with little to no pain.
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I am glad we are back to one of my personal bellwether issues, the death penalty.
But…
Does the animal husbandry quote really cut that deep?
They would not shoot an animal with multiple simultaneous bullets the chest, true… But because they would not want to waste the meat, not due to cruelty. The same goes for lethal injection. It would spoil the meat. Cyanide gas… Same.
Electrocution? Probably too difficult and dangerous for the worker, not due to cruelty.
A reminder, they kill cows and pigs by a bolt to the head. I don’t hear anyone advocating this for prisoners.
And they kill animals Halal or Kosher by hanging them by their legs and cutting their necks to let them bleed out. Anyone advocating this?
I hate disingenuous arguments. Not as much as I hate murdering people who were innocent, or even killing the guilty when you don’t have to. But I hate it nonetheless.
Also on the animal husbandry menu... Killing wrong-sexed chicks by tossing them into a meat grinder alive.
Hmmm... States propose to use the Fargo method of execution.
Wood-chipper.
There are giant woodchoppers that are ten feet across and can swallow trees whole.
Properly designed, such a device could reduce the human brain to pulp in less than the two tenths of a second it would take for the event to register.
If "humane," is indeed a goal, this should be on the menu.
Bonus feature... Televise it live and you might end the death penalty forever.
Then again, my track record for predicting how people will respond is pretty dismal. So maybe it wouldn't horrify people into dropping the death penalty.
Consider an alternative. You might horrify people enough that no one would dare commit a crime punishable by the death penalty.
The Roman's had live executions, proved to be entertaining and popular.
I figure the definition of "died instantly" means the brain never had a chance to recognize it was in peril. Like a cannon ball to the head, smashing through the brain faster than the nerve signals.
Bonus feature… Televise it live and you might end the death penalty forever.
What the fuck are you talking about? I'd pay $60 for a 30 min. special where a guy jumps off a 30m platform into a woodchipper.
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Is the bolt to the head quick and relatively painless? Then meh, do it to those on death row. I don't care if they use friggin dementors.
It would be cheaper than the methods we use now. When did people decide firing squads were for lesser men? If it's good enough for Mata Hari then it's good enough for some murderous asshole.
This reminds me of what we used to be... Debating issues like the desth penalty and other real libertarian issues.
Which put me in a mind to recall the world we used to live in not so long ago. A world that valued freedom and where people who had a live free or die mentality were the real Americans.
Stossel came along today to remind me of that world.
https://youtu.be/R3IqHzd6Y-0
Remember the quaint world when we were outraged that the government would come with guns to raid a small farm for the crime of making locally sourced cheese from unpasteurized milk to sell to a willing and informed customer?
It is hard to imagine. But that wasn't so long ago. Look how far the Overton window has moved.
What's wrong with using 3rd grade logic, i.e. apples to apples, i.e. doing to an animal that committed a premeditated and intentional first degree murder that you would do to a human for the same offense?
What animals commit murder though? Besides those asshole honey badgers.
I think maybe dolphins kill for sport I dunno. I know they love rape.
Don’t pigeons?
Two things can be true at the same time and it's true some people deserve to die and also true the government cannot be trusted with the power to do so.
Just as a reminder - - - - -
"The guillotine was invented in order to make capital punishment less painful in accordance with new Enlightenment ideals about human rights."
Unusual isnt really relevant as methods have changed over time, so really any method of execution thats been commonly accepted is usual, from hanging to firing squad. I dont see how cruetly flies either. They would prefer to use drugs, but people wont sell them, so electrocution or firing squad is most humane. If they came come up with a better way, have at it. I personally think the guillotine sounds pretty painless. Could even combine it with some sort of knockout drug like chloriform.
I dont see how cruetly flies either. They would prefer to use drugs, but people wont sell them,
Reimport them from Canada. Do I have to think of everything, people?
The guillotine is best used for obstinate out of touch rulers.
You know who else used the guillotine?
Fentanyl is widely available… so is nitrogen.
Considering how rarely inmates are executed (and that when killed, they're not immediately threatening anyone's safety or life), executions are pretty obviously cruel and unusual on their face.
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If I had to choose between the two to be sent into that good night, I'd probably go with firing squad, no blindfold, cigarette.
They'd sue to stop firing squads because the pre-execution cigarettes were unhealthy.
Also, you have to smoke the whole pack or get positionally asphyxiated.
Fentanyl seems like an excellent option. And Chinese and Mexican suppliers have no scruples.
The death penalty should be abolished. However the US should impliment involuntary 300th trimester abortions
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The South Carolina Supreme Court is set to decide the future of the death penalty in the state. The issue has been brought before the court by the two sides of a state constitutional challenge, which centers on the South Carolina Death Penalty Act. The petitioners argue that the act is unconstitutional because it allows for the imposition of the death penalty in cases where the jury has made an advisory recommendation against it. The South Carolina Attorney General's Office, on the other hand, argues that the death penalty is constitutional and should remain in place. The court is expected to reach its decision in the coming weeks.
While I believe that there crimes so heinous that only the death penalty is enough, and that the state has the absolute moral right to administer it, I also believe that the justice system is so corrupt that the death penalty is unconscionable. Guilty verdicts depend on politics and the blind ambition of corrupt police and prosecutors. Abolish the death penalty nationwide.
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