Brickbat: I Say a Little Prayer for You

Isabel Vaughan-Spruce, director of March for Life U.K., has been charged with four counts of failing to comply with a "Public Space Protection Order" for silently praying outside an abortion clinic in Birmingham. The city has banned all forms of protest outside abortion clinics. Vaughan-Spruce was carrying no signs or photos.

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[Chute_Me]

If her praying was silent, how does the city know she was protesting?

[Inigo Montoya]

In the news report I had seen, the cops asked her if she had been praying and she admitted she had. Personally, I would never had admitted that since there’s no way they could prove otherwise.

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[Mother's Lament]

"In the news report I had seen, the cops asked her if she had been praying and she admitted she had."

That's what I read too. It boils down to 'she was having a thoughtcrime'.

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[NOYB2]

The law may simply be modified to prohibit loitering within the buffer zone.

Assume it is, what's your take on it then?

[mad.casual]

In the news reports I had seen, the cops asked her if she had been praying and she replied "I dunno, maybe. I think so." Which would indicate that your admission doesn't protect you from them having to prove or not prove shit.

[Utkonos]

Lots of praying folk wouldn’t want to fib in the midst of mental prayer— if ever God is listening and all that. Big Brother knows how to work with that.

[Davedave]

Exactly. This is lying propaganda. The vile abusive nutcase in question is banned from being there at all due to her previous behaviour. That's what she was actually arrested for, not 'praying quietly'.

[Jack Nunn]

Wrong. There was a Private Space Protection Order (PSPO) which prohibited protesting, harassing, or otherwise interfering with the abortion clinic. This was for the area around the clinic, not against a person.

[Davedave]

Wrong. There is an exclusion zone, but as well as that she is personally banned from going anywhere near abortion clinics after previously attacking people in particularly vile - and utterly lunatic, given her supposed anti-abortion stance - ways. She's a complete psycho.

Normal people quietly praying are not banned or in danger of arrest. People who have attempted to stab pregnant women in the stomach are a whole different kettle of fish.

[Adans smith]

Thought crime is now a thing in the land of Orwell.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Right think is the lord your god. You shall have no other gods before it.

[SQRLSY One]

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[InsaneTrollLogic]

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[Libertariantranslator]

The exact totalitarian collectivist technical term is "Our duty to The Party." Try reading the book: She had two names for it. One was 'making a baby', and the other was 'our duty to the Party' (yes, she had actually used that phrase).

[SQRLSY One]

Isabel Vaughan-Spruce, your mere presence here offends us!

Isn’t this the same crime as vagrancy or loitering? I don’t even know… Is this ever a crime any more in the USA, on public property? And even then we have to split hairs… Offices of public employees and military bases (for example) are public property, but loitering there w/o an invitation can be, and should be, an offense… (May I loiter in the Oval Office?)

But yeah, this is the pits! It’s the UK… What do you expect?

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[Libertariantranslator]

The UK listened to the NSDAP spout Orange-haired Jesus, Blessed Birchin and "our duty to the Party" as buildup to the seizure of arms works and sub shipyards in Czechoslavakia, Poland, France, Belgium, Netherlands... It happened there. (https://bit.ly/3izsEKj)

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Just lie back and think of England.

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[Agammamon]

But she was protesting abortion - which, here in the US is both an inalienable right and a sacrament.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

silently praying outside an abortion clinic

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[Jefferson's Ghost]

One more example that England is completely insane.

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But we should be more like them, right?

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[mad.casual]

Yeah, not to defend the English but I'd argue "I never said that." or "It was just a verbal contract or a custom created by someone other than myself." in defense of current actions is much more sane than writing out, "Congress shall make no law prohibiting the right of free, peaceable association or speech." and then passing and broadly expanding legislation through Congress that does exactly.

And that is to say nothing of writing both the above *and* "The right to arm oneself shall not be infringed." and then arresting people for peaceably distributing firearms plans among themselves.

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[Ride 'Em]

Thank the founders for the Bill of Rights.

[Libertariantranslator]

E.g. the 9th and 13th Amendments...

[DRM]

Is it any wonder why Vox thinks the American Revolution was a mistake?

[Cloudbuster]

If she'd been there picking up a young girl to groom for sex slavery, then the UK police would avert their eyes.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Leave her alone! Don't make her a martyr! Let her be one of countless billions who think a non-existent Supernatural Being makes exceptions for her.

[NOYB2]

What "exceptions" do you think anybody is making for her?

Buddhists oppose abortion and don't believe in God. Abortion is considered self-evidently evil in Buddhism. What would you say if she had been a Buddhist saying a silent prayer?

[The Margrave of Azilia]

Or clapping with one hand?

[TheReEncogitationer]

Clapping with one hand is known as fisticuffs, at which Shaolin Buddhist monks are quite adept. 🙂

[TheReEncogitationer]

Anytime somebody prays for something they don't have or prays for an outcome that hasn't taken place, they are asking a God to make an exception in his designs and plans for the Universe just for "little ol' me."

A God that answers prayers is obviously not Perfect, since his plans evidently need tweaking, is not Omniscient, since he evidently didn't know this, is not Omnipotent, since he didn't get his plans right the first time, and since he's changing his plans for one person, this God is arbitrary and not Omnibenevolent and Just.

Ackshuyally, Buddhists can believe in a God, but they are not required to believe in a God. And if she were a Buddhist Theist praying for an end to abortion, then, again, she's asking for a God to pencil in something on his schedule that contradicts his previous plans.

[NOYB2]

You obviously are completely ignorant of any kind of religion. Why don't you just stop embarrassing yourself.

[TheReEncogitationer]

I studied World Religions and Philosophies, so I know what of I speak.

And at least I know that Religion, Philosophy, Science, and Math more than just social clubs and social constructs.

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[NOYB2]

I'm not sure what to be outraged about. Maybe you can help me.

The law could include a prohibition on "loitering" outside an abortion clinic. That would be consistent with many other anti-loitering laws.

Would you then still be outraged over this arrest? Or would that make it OK?

Do you oppose the law, the implementation of the law, or what?

[I, Woodchipper]

But "loitering" is not what happened so nice try.

[NOYB2]

Yes, loitering (i.e., standing around idly) is literally what happened.

And what exactly do you think I'm "trying"? Can you get out of your stupid mindset of attributing sinister motives to everybody? I suppose you can't, can you? It's all self-righteous indignation with you.

[I, Woodchipper]

she was not charged with loitering. No mention of loitering.

[NOYB2]

Are you unfamiliar with the use of the conjunctive in the English language?

I'll just assume you're an illiterate moron and mute you. Thanks.

[mad.casual]

The law could include a prohibition on “loitering” outside an abortion clinic. That would be consistent with many other anti-loitering laws.

Would you then still be outraged over this arrest? Or would that make it OK?

Do you oppose the law, the implementation of the law, or what?

Are you supporting the implementation and/or enforcement of the law without regard for what’s actually in the law, or what?

If you understand the conjunctive in English, then you can, maybe, grasp the rhetorical and if you can grasp the rhetorical, then you know the answer to my question is plain for everyone to see and you don’t actually have to answer.

[Get To Da Chippah]

It was probably an assault prayer. And it had a silencer!!

[Libertariantranslator]

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[TheReEncogitationer]

And little hands and eyes that go up. 😉

[Utkonos]

She’s part of a new extremist group, which has been spreading like cancer for way too long. Their name says it all: PRAYER WARRIORS! High time to disarm these insurrectionists!

[Libertariantranslator]

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