Making the GOP Liberty-Friendly Requires More Than Just Rejecting Donald Trump
Even if Trump loses this primary race, there’s every reason to think his party will retain its present will to power.

Former President Donald Trump is running for president again, seeking the nomination of a party which, for the first time in six years, isn't wholly sure it wants him back. What the GOP base decides remains a wholly open question; Trump is still the only candidate officially on offer, and history teaches polling this early in the race is useless. But the sort of Republican voter who airs his opinion in the pages of The New York Times and National Review has decided, emphatically, that the time for Trump is over.
This may seem like a promising development to any libertarians waxing nostalgic about an earlier era of libertarian-Republican relations—a time when libertarianism was deemed, in Reason's pages, "the very heart and soul of conservatism," when the GOP's rhetorical commitment to limited government made it libertarians' preferred vehicle for political action within the two-party system, when yawning gaps between libertarians and Republicans on social and foreign policy were ignored because, uhhh, you know, communism! Taxes!
So if the Republican Party finally rejects Trump, is that also a rejection of the authoritarian and illiberal impulses his political career has amplified? I'm open to being pleasantly surprised, but so far, the evidence answers with a resounding "no." Even if Trump loses this primary race, there's every reason to think his party will retain its present will to power.
At The Bulwark this week, Jonathan V. Last documented a telling contrast between Republicans' rationales for rejecting Trump now and their original objections to his candidacy in 2015 and 2016. Back then, GOP critiques of Trump were grounded in language about policy and governing principles or personal character, or both. Now the repudiation is openly transactional: Trump loses, and Republicans don't want to lose.
In 2015, for example, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R–S.C.) called Trump a "race-baiting, xenophobic religious bigot" and cast a skeptical eye on Trump's promises to "take all the problems of the world and put 'em in a box and make your life better." He didn't bother to spell it out, but the implication was clear: That promise was empty because it's not the sort of promise the government can fulfill.
Early the next year, before his pathetic "small hands" line, Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.) likewise wondered at "people that are lifelong conservatives, or at least claim to be, who don't seem to care that Donald Trump has never been and is not now a conservative on principles."
And National Review editorialized that "Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones," bemoaning his lack of interest in limited government and his "obsession …with 'winning.'"
That kind of argument is no longer at the fore. Last quotes former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie this month lamenting that Republicans "keep losing and losing and losing" and blaming those losses completely on Trump.
After this year's midterms losses for the GOP, "[w]hatever purpose [Trump] was meant to serve—bringing working-class voters back to the Republican fold; restoring nationalism to conservative ideology; rejecting the authority of supposed experts—has been served," argued Bret Stephens at The New York Times in a hopeful hypothesis of where primary voters will land. "Others can now do the same thing better, without the drama and divisiveness. He's yesterday's man."
National Review's editors, once again categorically anti-Trump for the primaries, perfected the pivot to an obsession with winning of their very own. Their new editorial highlighted Trump's self-sabotage as president, his "narrow defeat to [sic] a feeble Joe Biden in 2020 in what was a winnable race," his "eminently defeatable" endorsees in 2022, and the Republican Party's overall loss of reputation, position, and power under his leadership. Reject Trump, the article argued, because you can do better. You can have a Republican who wins.
While National Review did gesture, briefly, to policy specifics, some of them in the pre-2016 style of Republican priorities, the broader hostility toward Trump for 2024 is not concerned with returning to those old orthodoxies. The argument is not: He loses, and therefore we can't limit government, cut taxes, reduce debt, slash needless regulation, and so on. It's rather: He loses, and therefore we can't wield the power of an expansive federal government to "reward friends and punish enemies."
Particularly if we get another crowded field in 2024, it's possible some primary contenders will retain that older meta-stance on the scale and scope of the state. Whether they'll be viable, however, is another question.
The buzziest likely challenger to Trump, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, is of the new authoritarian bent. Former Vice President Mike Pence, having already served as Trump's second-in-command, is clearly at least comfortable with it. Trump may no longer be the candidate best suited to advance the Republican Party's increasingly illiberal agenda, but that doesn't mean the agenda has been abandoned. If anything, leaving behind its nursemaid may be a sign of its maturity.
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social and foreign policy were ignored because, uhhh, you know, communism! Taxes!
These are valid concerns. Imagine prioritizing foreign policy over the endless creep of domestic communists.
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Not to mention linking to a staff writer’s article from The Atlantic to illustrate what a “Republican voter who airs his opinion” thinks.
Is that like how Aaron Soorkin writes dialogue for Republican characters in his crappy tv shows?
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The choice was between Trump and Clinton. No contest. Then the choice was between Trump and Biden. Again, no contest.
What I failed to recognize is the depth of the hatred for the Orange man. Only that hatred can account for Biden winning. For this reason I think Desantis is the best option in 2024, but I will happily vote for Trump if he gets the nomination.
What I failed to recognize is the depth of the hatred for the Orange man.
What about the blind hatred for Biden in these comments? Seems like a majority of the people here start the day with the "Fuck Joe Biden" prayer. Why is that warranted while anyone who says "Boo" about Trump is accused of Trump Derangement Syndrome?
I think a lot of it is the news. Put on FOX and they'll tell you that Trump can't do anything wrong while Biden can't do anything right. Put on MSNBC and they'll tell you that Biden can't do anything wrong while Trump can't do anything right. The truth has to be somewhere in between. Thing is, very few people care. Most just want someone to worship and someone to hate.
People despise Biden because he has undone all of Trump's good policies while doubling down on his bad policies and adding their own bad policies.
Why do you fail to recognize this?
Trump good. Biden bad.
*scratch scratch*
Trump good. Biden bad.
Yes. We know you aren't intelligent. The fact you feel the need to defend biden at all is telling.
What positives has he had? Please educate us.
Poor Sarc, he desperately wants to white knight for the Democrats but he's not clever enough.
This was the best he could do.
You are a perfect example of what I'm talking about. With your steady diet of right-wing media you know for a fact that Trump can do no wrong and Biden can't do anything right. That is your reality. Nothing will change it.
You are the problem. People like you, and people on the other side who say the same thing.
Nobody said he could do no wrong. Are you putting words in his mouth?
No, no…. Everyone does that to Sarc. Who is a sweet, innocent little lamb that just wants to discuss ideas.
Reminder once again everyone. Sarc is free to call everyone right wing or indoctrinated as such but never call him a leftist. Even as he sits here complaining people are unfairly critical of Biden of all people.
Dude, compared to the average Reason commentator, Reagan was a "leftist".
Disagree. Can you provide an example? Reagan like all politicians had flaws. But he had good parts as well. Nobody is under the delusion Reagan was perfect or even trump was. Biden is far far from it.
So can you provide an example here? Or is this just nobody is allowed to call someone a leftist even when they get angry at criticizing Biden? I’m pretty sure Reagan would criticize him as well.
And you want toy all hilarious? DeSantis being authoritarian. From the article. Seriously some of you have no clue about your own biases. It is hilarious.
Reagan's most leftist example: The Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986. Mother fucker banned new machine guns.
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See The Atlantic article https://feedreader.com/observe/theatlantic.com/politics%252Farchive%252F2016%252F10%252Fdonald-trump-scandals%252F474726%252F%253Futm_source%253Dfeed/+view
“The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet” or this one…
https://reason.com/2019/09/02/republicans-choose-trumpism-over-property-rights-and-the-rule-of-law/
He pussy-grab His creditors in 6 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me realty schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!
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Orange Man Bad-Ass Pussy-Grabber all right!
We CAN grab all the pussy, all the time, and NONE will be smart enough to EVER grab our pussies right back!
These voters simply cannot or will not recognize the central illusion of politics… You can pussy-grab all of the people some of the time, and you can pussy-grab some of the people all of the time, but you cannot pussy-grab all of the people all of the time! Sooner or later, karma catches up, and the others will pussy-grab you right back!
If Sarcasmic is the Fetterman of the Reason commentariat, is Sqrlsy its Stacey Abrams?
No one disputes most of what you are saying.
What we are saying is that despite all this, Trump is still a better person than Hillary, Biden or anyone in the bureaucracy.
Our government is in such sorry shape that Donald J Trump is the best man to deal with it. We are not looking for a president. We are looking for a janitor who can deal with an insane amount of filth.
This is why the pussy grab video or the rumors of the golden showers isn't a problem. DC is FAR worse than any of that.
All your comments simply point out again that DJT is the right man for the job at this time.
Drain the swamp.
"Dude, compared to the average Reason commentator, Reagan was a “leftist”."
Dooood, do you post here to make sure we all know you're full of shit, doood?
I'll note the list of successful Biden initiatives is decidedly lacking.
Biden does NOT have an ARMY of Trumpanzees gone apeshit, lusting after the demise of democracy! Full stop!
Then who's army was going ape shit burning cars and businesses and attacking innocent citizens during the last administration?
Pure whataboutism won't help us make REAL progress!
BLM rioters burned some buildings and stole some sneakers and TVs, and conservatives want to lynch BLMers! Ashli Babbs wanted to steal democracy, and conservatives want to turn Her into a Saint!
Rioters of all stripes are to be condemned, not turned into heroes, in my mind! BUT, if I have my choice, please steal my sneakers AND my TV, and let me keep my democracy!
Sneakers and TVs can be quickly replaced, in a free market. Democracy? If stolen by Trumpistas, there is NO telling WHEN, if ever, we'll get it back!
Democracy is just 3 wolves and a sheep deciding on dinner.
Fuck democracy.
Democracy = mob rule.
Liberty = a well armed sheep contesting the vote.
So it was O.K. when they laid siege to the white house? One side can do as it pleases, but the other must be demonized for parading.
My comment is simply pointing out your hypocrisy, and all the squirrelly bullshit you spew will not hide the fact that your own hatred rules you. Therefore your opinions are not worth the time it takes to read them. So go ahead and babble like an idiot for the next half hour while everyone ignores you.
Bravo. European Kleptocracies were the same way in the 1930s. All were altruists dedicated to the initiation of force to take from others. But they precipitated out of solution in two flavors. Fascists insisted that freedom meant murdering socialist atheists for Christ just as a century earlier it had meant murdering saracen blackamoors for Christ. Communists and anarchists insisted true freedom meant murdering jackbooted fascist monarchists for democracy, meaning rigged elections. Those were the entrenched alternatives.
"murdering socialist atheists for Christ"
It takes a lot of guts to pretend that socialist atheists were being murdered by Christians in the 20th century instead of vice versa.
It also takes an unprecedented level of historical ignorance to pretend that Italian and German Fascists weren't (1) socialist atheists and (2) killing Christians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf
You could excuse Hank's ignorance if he were young and dumb, but he's older than Hitler FFS. There's no excuses.
Not sure that's Hank rather than just some random steaming pile of ignorant lefty shit.
Yes, but he makes up for it with being an incredible bigot.
"...Why do you fail to recognize this?"
Rhetorical?
Because he's abysmally stoooopid, that's why.
Which hatred has been blind?
Biden has been doing things such as attempting to use OSHA to force employers to fire people for not complying with the federal government's desire to get everyone vaccinated, using the pandemic as an excuse to forgive student loans by executive order, the open disdain for dissent and free speech, the energy policy built on fantasies, the list goes on and on. Any hatred of Biden has been from observing what his flagrantly rule of law disdainiing administration has done since January 2021. You would have to be blind not to see it.
Sarc, your hypocrisy is breathtaking to behold.
He's like a cartoon.
I’ve started to wonder if Sarc lost everything after he got sued by one of Trump’s company’s for something, and that is the true source of his pathological hatred for him. Kind of like when Trump sued Bill Maher who ended up settling out of court.
It would explain a lot.
What you failed to recognize is that better than half the electorate get all their news from sources that are virulently hostile to Trump. Those of us who have more varied news sources don't appreciate the cumulative effect of that.
That could be the explanation.
It’s hard to believe that half the country could be so abysmally stupid as to believe the media that has lied for years. I can understand the tribal nature of people and that it leads to intense dislike of Trump but I figured people would vote their pocketbook and choke back the hatred. Democrats seem intent on wrecking the country, and fomenting tribal hatred until a shooting war breaks out.
Sarc seems to be a good example of a person blinded by TDS. He writes multiple paragraphs decrying "Trumpanzees" and "the destruction of Democracy" and apparently thinks Biden is the cat's meow. What has Biden touched and not fucked up? I can't think of anything.
Trump is far from perfect. But he’s been the best viable option we’ve had. At least the GOP is building a decent beck bench for the future. Since Trump is getting up there too.
What you failed to recognize is that better than half the electorate get all their income from sources that are run by the Democratic party or its operatives. Public school teachers; federal, state and municipal union employees; welfare recipients; etc. Student loan forgiveness?
Federal tax credits? https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/03/25/57percent-of-us-households-paid-no-federal-income-tax-in-2021-study.html
"For this reason I think Desantis is the best option in 2024, but I will happily vote for Trump if he gets the nomination."
Same here. Before the Covid scam we were moving to peace and prosperity. How exactly is that illiberal.
Peace and prosperity are the very foundation of a classically liberal society.
Cheating could account for Biden winning. Remember they only needed 40,000 votes in 3 states to win.
Of course they cheated. They also violated state election laws with voting procedures. The whole thing was bullshit and there needs to be a reckoning.
As far as I’m concerned, the democrat party has to go. People need to wake up to that.
His platform wasn’t exactly extreme or radical…… at all. They just hate his mean tweets and that he doesn’t put up with their shit.
"His platform wasn’t exactly extreme or radical..."
Disagreed.
He is a direct threat to the assumption that a ride on a DC-elected office is a path to great wealth with no risk at all; he is a threat to their livelihood.
Looks pretty "radical" to the likes of the Clintons and the Bidens; can you imagine any of either clan in job where you can be fired for incompetence?
‘Not radical’ in a historical economic and political context. You’re very correct in that he presents a real threat to the way of life of all the evil creatures in The Swamp. Plus he’s an outsider and it wasn’t ‘his turn’.
"What I failed to recognize is the depth of the hatred for the Orange man..."
He IS an abrasive personality, and then losers like, say turd, are extremely envious of his success.
Further, we have the swamp critters and the hangers-on 'journalists' who are terrified that Trump might just be the sharp point of a movement which would simply demolish their cushy lives, paid for by the taxpayers in one form or the other.
The Paul père et fils might be the only other swamp critters who did not use their positions to enrich themselves; the rest are quaking in their boots, horrified at the thought of finding an actual job.
No, all the cheating accounts for Biden winning.
DeSantis, is of the new authoritarian bent
Seriously? DeSantis, one of the few governors to effectively resist COVID authoritarianism?
Yeah, even if you are concerned about his views on speech, which I am, they pale in comparison to letting the economy and society of Florida function when other states were crushing theirs.
It is NOT "authoritarian" for the state government to dictate the curriculum, methodology, and content of public schools. It is literally the point!
The lefties calling DeSantis "authoritarian" for exercising this power are completely full of shit. They are absolutely in favor of iron-fisted control of the teachers' speech and curriculum in public schools. They just dont like how FLA schools are being dictated.
Are public schools an enumerated power of either the federal or state constitutions?
Not in the US Constitution, but a number of state constitutions do address schools.
I"m not sure what your point is but obviously there should be no public schools.
But the point is that public schools do exist and they are wholly in the purview and control of the state govs so complaining that the moves DeSantis has made to control HIS state's public schools is somehow "authoritarian" is idiotic if not completely disingenuous.
Ah, but de Santis is the right kind of authoritarian, so he's really a libertarian...
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Its like complaining because the state government exerts control over how the DMV works. The DMV is the state and is run by the state. Same for schools.
Eliminate all the schools (and the DMV btw)
Fuck off and die, asshole.
You just want to groom kids so it’s easier for you to fuck them. You should be put to death for your pedophilia.
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States don't fall under the Enumerated powers dummy. They have far more oversight.
Government schools aren't, but Annapolis and West Point snuck in under color of "provide for the common defense."
How is that relevant to anything?
While creating a new sort of COVID authoritarianism of his own, trying to prohibit *privately-owned* companies from requiring their employees and/or customers wear a mask or take a COVID test.
Yeah we all shed tears for "private companies" . But in the world in which we live, government regulates employment in virtually every aspect. DiSantis regulated on the side of liberty. Other states regulated on the side of tyranny. But yeah. DiSantis is the evil authoritarian.
I'm assured that SCOTUS has a long history of ruling against corporations and employers who discriminate by proxy.
You might have a point if those same companies were requiring flu vaccines and masks for every year before Covid hit.
And National Review editorialized that "Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones," bemoaning his lack of interest in limited government and his "obsession …with 'winning.'"
Holy shit, did they call it or what?
The broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP is Bush, Bush II and Yeb!. Open borders, foreign entanglements, big government.
The Neocons can't tolerate Trump. Practically an endorsement as far as I'm concerned. But the new libertarians are cool with endless war I guess.
Establishment, globalist world government uber alles!
Yes, Trump is an asshole, a jerk, no friend of liberty in many ways. But Biden is far worse, and any other possible Democratic replacements in 2024 are worse than Biden, primarily because they aren’t senile laughing stocks.
Why are you Reason writers so blind to this? Never mind, I know the answer: mean tweets. But By Gum, compare the two, actually look at them and compare them: Biden hasn’t undone a single one of Trump’s bad policies, has undone as many of Trump’s good policies as possible, and has added a pile of new bad policies.
Don’t you clowns recognize the harm you are doing to Reason‘s long libertarian heritage? It’s going to take decades to rebuild it, and you clowns seemingly would rather attend WC cocktail parties and hobnob with libertarianishishishish Democrats like Gov Polis than push liberty.
What in the hell does Biden have to do with Trump's influence on the Republican Party?
And people say I'm all about deflection. Jeez.
You are so deranged by TDS that you can't recognize its symptoms elsewhere either.
My point is that beating on Trump is TDS when it fails to recognize how much Trump support is for being less awful than Biden. I doubt you can even comprehend that, let alone admit it.
Here's an exercise for your response: explain how Biden is not worse than Trump.
Biden has nothing to do with Trump's influence on the Republican Party and their abandonment of the principles of liberty.
There you (don't) go again, answering what was asked with a strawman.
You’re raving again. He’s certainly supporting a better class of candidate for legislative seats than shitbags like McConnell. Who backs corrupt RINO’s like Murkowski.
translation: "Biden is worse, so don't you dare judge Trump! If you judge Trump then you support Biden! DO NOT QUESTION TRUMP!"
I doubt your other response will be any more clever.
Please explain how pointing out that Biden IS worse than Trump equates to liking Trump.
Or explain how Biden is NOT worse than Trump: show any Biden policy which is better than Trump.
Explain what Biden has to do with Republicans abandoning economic liberty and distancing themselves from libertarians.
Give one positive aspect of Biden instead of defending him blindly.
Yes, please! You whine that people voted for Trump, refuse to recognize some of those votes were against Biden, and anyone who suggests that, and says Biden was worse than Trump is claimed to be a Trump supporter.
That is the question you refuse to answer: What has Biden done to show he is a better choice than Trump?
You’re making broad accusations like we owe you an explanation. As if your ravings represent a proven status quo.
How many posts are you going to have attacking any criticism of Biden today?
Sarc is the commentariat equivalent of the town drunk. With the drunk part being literal, not metaphorical. He’s like a shrill less pleasant version of Otis on ‘The Andy Griffith Show’.
Do you not get it?
You can drink a glass of 1/4 cup of liberty or a glass overflowing with all the crap that couldn't fit into Biden's adult diaper.
Pick one.
If you choose 'none', the folks who gathered up Biden's crap will force you to drink the glass full of crap anyway.
Now pick.
Because that's ALWAYS the choice. If you abstain, the worst choice ALWAYS takes your abstention as consent.
This. But it isnt oy him claiming he didn't vote that shows his consent, but his constant attacking of those against the growing state as right wingers.
Quetion Trump all you like. Dislike him for whatever reason tickles your fancy. However, when the choice, i.e. the vote comes down to Trump or Biden, what can you do except vote for Trump?
Biden is a vicious, intellectually limited, political hack who has been largely trying to rule by decree for the past two years, but he is, by the MSM consensus a "normal politician", God help us, and not an icky conservative so we do not get endless kvetching from the writers here about how the Democrats need to do better.
There is also the left libertarian prioritizing the culture war despite the left becoming increasingly authoritarian and dogmatic about it. When someone like JK Rowling can become an untouchable for the left shows how totalitarian progressive social politics has become.
Hey. Rowling said there's actually something called a woman. And she's not a biologist. Pure evil.
Her (they's?) book about "Hairy Pothead and the Bowl of Fire" was pretty damned good, though, eh? Ya gotta give they THAT much, at least!
(They's that them thar book got ME high, I'll tell ya THAT!)
a time when libertarianism was deemed, in Reason’s pages, “the very heart and soul of conservatism
As far as I can tell, it still is. Unfortunately individuals seeking power in the GOP are neither the heart and soul of conservatism nor libertarian. I am confident liberals feel the same way about their representation in the Democrat party.
Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus
I see no difference between him and any of the other opportunists in either major party. They all seek power, not solutions.
And that includes the LP.
Reason attempted to claim that William Weld was not a total RINO stooge without a libertarian bone in his body. Or that whomever their 2020 candidate was, with her "We must be anti-racist" was an absolutely abysmal standard bearer.
Ahem. That was what God's Own Prohibitionist candidate Reagan said to poach support from libertarians. Trump told The Jacket's microphone "I like it," "it" being libertarianism. Our spoiler votes are what Republicans hate, fear and lie, defraud and coerce to minimize so as to base their planks on fear, ignorance and hatred. The Anschluss in Reno is looking like a German National Socialist hostile takeover of the LP. Yet Texas' capitol Travis County LP nevertheless got 196,636 votes, 5% of the 4M Gary reaped nationwide in 2016.
Your family really needs to have you put away.
Soooooo, America is racist because Colorado has a lot of white people? Are we supposed to relocate minorities to places they don't want to live? Doing that to the natives isn't looked on favorably these days...
https://nypost.com/2022/11/23/mel-b-shocked-by-racism-in-the-us-while-filming-documentary/
People in the mountains tend to be white!
Could there be any sort of reason for this, or just racism?
I didn’t see anything in that article about her being confronted with racism; nothing about being harassed, yelled at or even looked at funny. Just a lot of whites living their lives, doing their own thing.
The very fact that there are a lot of white people is racism to this woman. That’s where we are at now.
She'd shit herself if she visited the Idaho Panhandle.
Self identified "black" people are something like 15 percent of the population. They can't be everywhere. A lot of that number are "mixed". Not sure what this "brown" thing means exactly. My wife is half Lebanese and she's darker than a lot of people south of the border. The reality is self identified blacks are obsessed with skin color. Nobody else gives a shit.
Years ago, when CA politics were still somewhat sane, a guy ran for Gov.
The knock on him was accurate and simple: He was a "professional Hispanic"; he ran simply on his race identification. Nothing else was ever offered to attract votes.
He was before his time.
I guess the 22% of the state population that is Hispanic isn't brown enough for her.
The buzziest likely challenger to Trump, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, is of the new authoritarian bent. Former Vice President Mike Pence, having already served as Trump's second-in-command, is clearly at least comfortable with it. Trump may no longer be the candidate best suited to advance the Republican Party's increasingly illiberal agenda, but that doesn't mean the agenda has been abandoned.
And... here we are. Four weeks ago, DeathSantis was the bellwether indicator of Trumpism. Two weeks ago, everybody losing *but* DeSantis was a repudiation of Trump. Two weeks later, he's back to being the left bower.
Can't wait for the inevitable "Well sure Trump was bad, but Desantis is ACTUALLY Hitler, for real this time" articles in 2023 and 2024.
See? And this same anonymous, unemployable, incel sockpuppet will be back shrieking against whoever campaigns for the OTHER half of the Entrenched Looter Kleptocracy. Indeed, any neutral or insufficiently defamatory mention of looter Dems in Reason will again be paraded on pikes and bayonets as proof of communist sympathy and hatred of "our" Orange-haired Jesus as painted by Hitler in 1913.
You’re such a worthless senile old bigot. Fuck off.
Hahahahaha, fucking classic Hank.
IMO the GOP should run its primary with no voting machines, no mail in, (but with a little in-person early voting) -- and then spend the entire primary praising the transparency of the system.
That’s not a bad idea.
Anyone who looks to the New York Times for analysis of what the Republican Party should do instantly loses all credibility. What the NYT (and apparently this author) want for the Republican Party is for it to aim always for second place, giving up that "will to power" so as to ensure continued and unchallenged Democratic Party rule.
See? God's Own Prohibitionists have become a magnet for carpet-biting, jew-baiting, binary fascist Hiterites whose boots you must lick or you are the innate, morally-deficient-in-altruist-superstition subhuman. These are the cretins in response to which America developed nuclear weapons in 1945. They're baaaaack!
Fuck off and die, asshole.
He really is a raving lunatic, isn’t he?
S/he deserves nothing other than what is offered: Fuck off and die.
Mistake . . . unless
Should he remain alive, a senescent Donald Trump seeking the presidency in 2024 is a mistake. A mistake for Trump. For the Republican Party. For the nation.
Over the years, Trump’s behavior suggests a severe narcissistic temperament. His personal behavior alienated many voters including Republicans. His goal to have crushed the Administrative State was admirable. He failed. His choice of advisors was abominable. Jared and Ivanka?
Trump’s seeking the presidency again is a gift to the Democratic Party, provided it nominates someone like Joe Manchin not John Federman. It solidifies and energizes the Democrats while splitting the Republicans. The consequences likely will be a repeat of 2020.
In July 2020, this commentator on his website predicted Trump’s defeat in November. With this posting, he now predicts Trump’s defeat in 2024. So it was. So it will be … unless.
“Believing is seeing, but seeing is not believing.” -drawn from John 11
There could be a charade ongoing, however. Trump attacks “Di Sanctimonious”; thereby, allowing DiSantis to distance himself from the rump of Trump later when Trump bows out. A clever ploy?
I smell a recycled comment...
Is that the prepared comment your RINO Lincoln Project masters commanded you to puke up on various websites?
Stinks of a TDS-addled pile of shit.
More like a Lincoln Project paid spammer.
Why can't we make Democrats a liberty loving party?
Because they're the antithesis of liberty?
They’re pure evil at this point? Run by criminal sociopathic political crime families?
"Making the GOP Liberty-Friendly Requires More Than Just Rejecting Donald Trump"
Stuff your TDS up your ass; your head wants company.
I quit working at shoprite and now I make $65-85 per/h. How? I'm working online! My work didn't exactly make me happy so I decided to take a chance on something new… after 4 years it was so hard to quit my day job but now I couldn't be happier.
Here’s what I do...............>>> onlinecareer1
The horizontal line with a single entrenched +- dimension is a holdover from when Yaweh/Allah was above and phlogiston below. The 20th century brought awareness of the definition of government and the Nuremberg Trials firmed up the initiation of force as antithetical to freedom. The Nolan Chart depicted this in 1972. Entrenched Kleptocracy looter parties seek--in a nuclear age--to drag us back to superstition/altruist-collectivism as justification for the initiation of deadly force.
LOL... I'm still looking for the part about Trumps policies...
Lets see we have DeSantis policies, Rubio's policies, the NatCon, etc, etc, etc.... All wrapped up and smeared magically onto Trump.
For someone who wants to talk Trump all day; apparently Trumps policies are lost on that list.
I'm not a big fan of Trumps personality either; but for F'Sakes he's the only one in over 100-years to push hard to CUT the Gov-GUN powers.... That ALONE should have the support of Libertarians. Heck Trump was more Libertarian than 90% of Republican/RINO collection.
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If I were some adolescent day-time TV viewer, focused on personality and longing for a comforting daddy-figure, I'd be a TDS-addled pile of shit like Sullum, Brandyshit. ENB and others here.
But adults tend to focus on a POTUS's actions and policies:
1) DeVos
2) Gorsuch
3) Kavanaugh
4) Ajit Pai, end net price fixing
5) Major reduction in the growth of regulations.
6) Dow +35%
7) Unemployment at 3.0% (!)
8) The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high
9) Got repeal of the national medical insurance mandate.
10) Withdrawal from Paris climate agreement.
11) Not sure about the tax reform; any "reform" that leaves me subsidizing Musk's customers is not what I hoped for. Let Musk run a company for once. But cutting taxes is good.
12) Pulled support for the $13 billion Hudson Tunnel project.
13) More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan
14) MIGHT have a deal to de-nuke NK.
15) Killed moonbeam’s choo-choo
16) Supported and signed First Step Act.
And finally:
17) Still making lefties steppin and fetchin like their pants is on fire and their asses are catchin'
OK, TDS-addled shit-piles, let's see what your fave POTUS has done. Put up or STFU.
Number 9 on your list is the most telling. Trump's efforts to rid us of the PPACA mandate demonstrates the difference between him and the Dems. That mandate is the most anti-libertarian legislation in the last 20 years, but maybe the crew at Reason secretly wants Congress to regulate the economic decisions of the peasants.
Don't forget the Right to Try Act he signed into law. Anyone opposed to that should be watched.
In fact, Donald Trump was the most libertarian president since Cal Coolidge.
Meanwhile, Reason's preferred candidate, corrupt Joe Biden, has been the worst president in US history.
"In fact, Donald Trump was the most libertarian president since Cal Coolidge..."
Correct; see above. By design or accident, that's what we got, and the results are such to suggest causation.
Again, TDS-addled shit-piles, let's see what you got. Or STFU
Indeed. I’ve never had the sense that Trump is interested in controlling everyone’s lives. Something i perceive of the entire democrat leadership and their minions.
None of Trump's actions suggest such. TDS-addled shit-piles assume such, absent a shred of evidence,
I agree, Reason never states exactly how Trump hurt liberty. I had much more liberty under Trump than under Biden. I wasn't forced to wear masks or take unproven vaccines under Trump. From an economic point I have more options if I need to purchase something, I had lower prices and more savings. I was never censored by Trump, and my 2nd amendment rights weren't eroded. When did I start losing liberties? Jan. 20th 2021,
You forgot about bump-stock regulation.
Not good, but it was a lot less bad than I was expecting from him in 2016. Given that he’s from New York, I presumed Trump would be no better than Hillary on guns — most Northeast Republicans are as bad as Democrats for that. Mind you, I’m not happy with the bump stock ban, but it’s much better than anything a Democrat would have pushed after the Vegas shooting. Heck, it’s probably better than what Bush 1.0 would have pushed, maybe even than Bush 2.0
I would love for one of the bleating sheep to list the "Authoritarian" threat posed by Trump and his supporters. Just name one.
The gaslighting from sheep like this author is staggering considering the abject authoritarian impulses of the Biden regime and the democratic party.
I keep on hearing this in my head:
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
Trump was literally the most anti-authoritarian president in modern history. That doesn't mean zero authoritarian moves, but it's less than any other president for the past 100 years for sure.
Major revisionism here with those Rubio and Graham quotes. Trump beat the widest GOP primary pool because these so called lifelong conservatives didn't actually conserve anything.
We have a name for this phenomena of not understanding OG Trump voters: TDS. Remember the Obama anger translator? 7 years later and you still need translations for anything Trump says or does.
Trump is not a highly charismatic genius who jumped into a contentious primary and created a cult of personality with his wit and charm. He's been a buffoon his entire life and 2015 was no different. We picked Trump over the 20+ candidates because the GOP has been the Democrats + 10 years for the past 20. They end up mirroring all Democrat positions. They're anything but principled and their leadership is ineffectual. Nothing ever changes. Mark my words, in 50 years mainstream GOP will parrot trans rights and marxist talking points unless there's an unforeseen schism that occurs in the interim. They'll just be the toned down version of whatever leftist insanity team blue can think of next.
The message of Trump then, and still now, is that the GOP does not reflect the views of its constituents. Trump is a vote for chaos within the party. I will continue to support chaos until the GOP becomes a genuine opposition party.
I just laughed at the inclusion of Graham's quote referring to Trump as a "religious bigot." That's laughably off-base. Some of the "conservatives" making arguments against Trump in 2016 were just throwing crap at a wall and seeing if anything would stick. The Bulwark doing a then vs now analysis of it is silly on it's own, and that's before you even get into the fact that the people now working for The Bulwark are, themselves, a bunch of hypocritical con artists (and warmongering neocons).
Reasons Liberty Friendly:
End the 1st amendment with a Ministry of Truth
End the 2nd amendment with so many laws no one can qualify to own a gun ever.
Jail dissenter with out charges, bail, or trials.
Label all your political opposition as terrorists.Label all your political opposition as Fascists.
Print and spend money until every but Billionaires are poor.
Change voting laws and immigration until we have a one party system because one party systems (dictatorships) always give people the most liberty.
We are a nation of laws. Either you believe in those laws or you believe we should be ruled by a President that can ignore the law or can issue Royal Decrees (Executive Orders) to rule, and that is a Dictatorship and a Banana Republic. Why doesn’t Reason discuss that instead of vilifying the Republicans? They are not in power, the Democrats are but Reason wants to talk about what happened 6-2 years ago. I am staring to trust CNN and MSNBC over Reason, they seem less partisan!
So much for liberty!
Hypocrisy drips from this article like butter on hot toast.
Trump, lower taxes, less regulation. No new wars, started bringing troops home. Better Supreme Court nominees.
Trump was no Libertarian but he got elected and moved the ball in the right direction especially in the courts.
Whining for Libertarian purity only guarantees Libertarians will have no say in public policy. Paul and Massie are not enough.
I'd generally agree, although his handling of covid and pandemic-era spending was abysmal. Still way better than Dems, not to mention all the neocons Reason bizarrely referenced in this article about how the GOP will have to work harder to be more libertarian.
"At The Bulwark this week, Jonathan V. Last documented a telling contrast between Republicans' rationales for rejecting Trump now and their original objections to his candidacy in 2015 and 2016. Back then, GOP critiques of Trump were grounded in language about policy and governing principles or personal character, or both. Now the repudiation is openly transactional: Trump loses, and Republicans don't want to lose."
I don't necessarily see a contradiction here. In 2016, it made sense for the GOP establishment to question Trump's principals. The 2016 strategy didn't work. Regardless of whether you think Trump has any principals or not at this point, making the same appeal again isn't a good one. A good appeal now is to point out that he's dead weight on the party. Trump's supporters can argue that whatever Trump's principals are improved the GOP platform for the better and maybe the GOP establishment agrees on that point, but where they disagree is that Trump post-2016 is a net negative on GOP prospects. It's not unreasonable or even contradictory to tell Trump supporters that whether they like his policies or not, he can't deliver on them because he and his closest allies have generally lost the last 2 elections.
Also, does anyone find any irony in this author using The Bulwark and The National Review to beat the GOP over the head about having un-libertarian principles. Both publications are decidedly neocon and The Bulwark is populated by people who call themselves conservatives who have abandoned virtually any conservative stance they ever once held to stand up a new grift based entirely around the Never-Trump grift. Just about every single article The Bulwark writes about guns is in favor of more restrictions. They certainly are farther from libertarian than the Trump types they hate.
If you want to hit the GOP for not being libertarian and warn them that getting rid of Trump won't markedly improve the situation, go for it, just don't use the words of blood-soaked statist warmongers to try and convince people. This does more harm to Reason's argument than good.
Which of your liberties did Trump take away?
Your right to go to work and make a living? No, that was Fauci and Biden.
Your right to make your own medical decisions? No that was Biden.
Your right to free speech? No that was Biden.
Your right to bear arms? No that is Biden.
Come on Reason, name the rights Trump took away?