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Animals

There's No Constitutional Right To Own a Pit Bull, Federal Court Says

Plus: A flawed study on marijuana risks, the collapsing publishing-house merger, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 11.21.2022 9:32 AM

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A federal court has upheld an Iowa city's ban on pit bulls and dogs that look like pit bulls. Since 2005, Council Bluffs has banned residents from owning "any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits" of one of those breeds. A group of dog owners sued, arguing that the ban violated their constitutional rights.

The dog owners argued that the ban violates their rights to substantive due process and equal protection and that it isn't rationally related to legitimate government interests. But a federal district court sided with Council Bluffs, and now the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit has as well. The court concluded that the city did have rational reasons for the ban, since the dog owners could "not negate every conceivable basis for the Ordinance."

This conclusionβ€”while arguably sound from a legal standpointβ€”is still pretty unsatisfying from the standpoint of common sense.

Sure, the authorities have an interest in protecting people from dangerous animals. I don't think many folks would object to a rule banning city dwellers from owning a lion. But pit bulls are hardly lions.

Pit bulls and pit bull mixes are not a universally dangerous dog, as the plaintiffs in this case argued. From the decision:

They presented evidence from canine behavior experts and recent scientific studies about predicting a dog's propensity to bite based on its breed. According to the dog owners, this evidence, viewed most favorably to them, negates every conceivable basis for the Ordinance by establishing: "(1) Pit Bull type dogs are no more or less dangerous than other breeds of dogs; (2) neither breed nor physical characteristics are predictive of a dog's aggressiveness or propensity to bite; and (3) the city's method of identifying dogs as Pit Bulls is inherently unreliable."

As for dangerousness, the dog owners argue that experts in canine genetics and behavior currently acknowledge that pit bulls are no more or less dangerous than similarly sized dogs of other breeds.

The city countered that pit bulls made up a disproportionate amount of dog bites in year leading up to the banβ€”even though that may be explained by one or a few badly trained pit bulls, and needn't necessarily indict all pit bulls and pit bull mixes.

The city also offered the underwhelming statistic that dog bites were down 25 percent since the ban had been enacted. That still leaves a lot of dog bites by other breedsβ€”and yet the city has not moved to ban other dog breeds.

As to the plaintiffs' claim that the city couldn't judge a dog's breed simply by its looks, the city countered with a study showing visual identification was accurate 15 percent of the time. That's another pretty underwhelming statisticβ€”but the court found it sufficient, writing that "this study affirms that visual identifications can, however imperfectly, identify a dog's breed."


FREE MINDS

A new study purportedly shows the dangers of smoking marijuanaβ€”but there's a catch. Researchers found "higher rates of conditions including emphysema and airway inflammation among people who smoked marijuana than among nonsmokers and people who smoked only tobacco," The Wall Street Journal reports. "Nearly half of the 56 marijuana smokers whose chest scans were reviewed for the study had mucus plugging their airways, a condition that was less common among the other 90 participants who didn't smoke marijuana."

"There is a public perception that marijuana is safe and people think that it's safer than cigarettes," a radiologist who worked on the study told the paper. "This study raises concerns that might not be true."

But here's where things get iffy: 50 of the 56 marijuana smokers in the study were also tobacco smokers. So while the study is being touted as finding that marijuana is especially dangerous, it's impossible to disentangle the effects of smoking marijuana here from the effects of smoking tobacco. Even the finding of worse outcomes for marijuana and tobacco smokers compared to those who smoke only tobacco don't necessarily tell us anything about marijuana; they may just be the result of people smoking more overall.


FREE MARKETS

Publisher merger is likely dead. After a federal judge blocked publisher Penguin Random House from buying rival publisher Simon & Schuster, the former planned to appeal the decision and keep fighting. But the point might be moot: Simon & Schuster parent company Paramount Global will allow the purchase agreement to expire this week, The New York Times reports.

"The collapse of the $2.175 billion sale is a major blow to Penguin Random House's ambitions to expand its enormous market share, and an enormously expensive one," notes the Times. "In addition to the significant legal cost of fighting the Justice Department in court, Penguin Random House will have to pay Paramount a termination fee of about $200 million once the deal falls through."

Instinctively, I didn't love the idea of this merger, since it at least seemed like bad news for authors overall. But regardless, the Justice Department's interference here is unjust, squandering millions (in private and government money) to interfere in market transactions, to the detriment of the publishing houses involved and possibly to all sorts of authors and agents too.

While many regarded the deal as bad news for authors, since it may limit the number of big publishers competing for books and lead to lower advances, Penguin Random House countered that the deal would have given a greater number of authors access to a major distributor and would have created efficiencies allowing the publishing house to pay writers more. That's also plausible. And if it turned out to be false, big publishers paying less large advances and being less attractive to authors could have been a boon for mid-size and smaller publishers. It could have led to more competition and a more open publishing industry overall. Ultimately, we just don't knowβ€”which shows the futility of letting the government pick winners and losers.


QUICK HITS

β€’ Five people were killed and at least 18 others wounded in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs. The alleged shooter was taken into police custody after being subdued by night club patrons.

β€’ Anti-abortion groups are suing to overturn the Food and Drug Administration's approval of abortion-inducing drugs.

β€’ A good ruling for freedom of speech and academic freedom: Once again, a federal court has blocked Ron DeSantis' "Stop WOKE Act," which the court says would "prophylactically muzzle professors from expressing certain viewpoints."

β€’ Reason's Ron Bailey reports from the 2022 United Nations Climate Change conference.

β€’ Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes was sentenced to 11 years and 3 months in prison.

β€’ "Lawyers for an Indianapolis doctor who provided an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim from Ohio told a judge Friday that Indiana's attorney general should not be allowed to access patient medical records for an investigation into undisclosed complaints," the Associated Press reports.

β€’ The Kids Online Safety Act would amp up online surveillance while doing little to actually protect kids, writes Emma Camp.

β€’ The latest tech job casualties: Carvana? "After cutting 2,500 jobs in May, the company has just announced an additional wave of layoffs which affects 8% of its workforce, or 1,500 employees," according to The Street.

β€’ "In its decline, Facebook has become one of the most absurd, uncanny and therefore enjoyable places on the internet," writes Isabel Slone.

β€’ A former anti-abortion leader says he was told the outcome* of the Supreme Court's 2014 decision in the Hobby Lobby case concerning the Affordable Care Act's birth control mandate before the decision was announced.

β€’ President Joe Biden is now 80 years old.


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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A federal court has upheld an Iowa city's ban on pit bulls and dogs that look like pit bulls.

    First they came for the pit bulls but too late those jaws were already clamped tight.

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      Now if they would come for yorkies and those obnoxious toy poodles, I'd really appreciate that.

      1. Minadin   3 years ago

        "Pit Bull type dogs are no more or less dangerous than other breeds of dogs"

        Pit Bulls make up 6% of the US dog population and account for 64% of all dog-on-human attacks and 80% of all human dog attack fatalities. (91% of all dog-dog fatalities)

        So, that's bunk.

        Not saying I agree with the ban necessarily, and I think they have a good point about the vague identifying language, but they didn't exactly get started on the right foot with that opening assertion.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          I think that the issue that makes the pitbull controversial is that Pitbulls from a temperament standpoint are no more dangerous than any other dog. In fact, it is my opinion (informed by a certain amount of research and experience) that Pitbulls are by and large one of the sweetest tempered dogs you can own.

          The issue with Pitbulls is that IF they are aggressive, they are more physically equipped to do serious damage than many other breeds given their jaw construction, musculature and power.

          1. Minadin   3 years ago

            It's probably a lot of the reason. It may also be that there is a disproportionate segment of the pitbull owner population that is poorly suited to responsible dog ownership.

            1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

              Yes, there are people who get pitbulls because of the 'badass' factor and own them as accessories.

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            2. Square = Circle   3 years ago

              It may also be that there is a disproportionate segment of the pitbull owner population that is poorly suited to responsible dog ownership.

              That's exactly the thing. They're bred to be fighting dogs, hence the name, and it's pretty common for 'badass' types to get pit bulls and abuse the fuck out of them and then not really pay attention to what they do and where they go.

              Mastiffs, as an example, are way, way, way more dangerous, but it's a very different type of person who gets a mastiff.

            3. Utkonos   3 years ago

              Yes. There’s a reason that owners inclined to train vicious dogs choose Pit Bullsβ€”check out those jaws! But they are, at heart, Terriers and will act like it if not β€œraised” like that. (Mind you, Terriers love chewing up stuff around the house-with a Pit, prepare for serious gnaw-damageβ€”did I mention the jaws?)

              1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

                What they teach phone cable technicians is that anything from a teacup Chihuahua to a 6-foot tall English Mastiff has a jaw pressure of 750 pounds and can run abywhere from 23 to 48 Miles an hour. All dogs need restraining when utility workers are workjng in a home or business with pets or utility workers can legally refuse service. I also know of a case of a utility worker refusing service to a home with a loose boa constrictor for a pet.

                Rednecks, Nota Bene!

              2. Square = Circle   3 years ago

                with a Pit, prepare for serious gnaw-damage

                No joke. Have a budget for chew toys. Big ones.

            4. NM Dave   3 years ago

              But there's a reason the drug culture chooses pits. They are easily trained to attack, and deadly when they do it. And almost 100% of the time, when you read about a gentle, loving dog that suddenly kills its owner, it's a pit bull.

          2. Square = Circle   3 years ago

            Pitbulls are by and large one of the sweetest tempered dogs you can own.

            The issue with Pitbulls is that IF they are aggressive, they are more physically equipped to do serious damage

            ^

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

          I’m not in favor of bans, but there’s no doubt that pitbulls are absolutely the most dangerous dog breed out there. Those studies and statistics they brandished before the court were bunk.

          The only reason Pitbull owners pick pitbulls is because they’re a dangerous breed. They’re the same kind of people who want to own tigers and lions. They think the animals ferocity lends them in the air of invulnerability too. Otherwise they would have gotten a Samoyed or Golden Retriever.

          I’ve played with and spent time with a lot of pit bulls in the past and they’re lovely dogs, but invariably something always goes wrong in their heads and the dog that’s great with kids becomes a sudden killer. Every time.

          If Pitbull owners want to be taken seriously, they’ve got to stop lying about the breed, how risky it is, and be honest about the reasons they’re buying them. Firearm owners religiously practice safety measures and treat every gun as loaded. Pitbull owners need to do the same.

          1. Minadin   3 years ago

            I have one friend who really loves her pit bulls, but she had one in particular that just could not be trusted, and he had to go.

            Her current pit bull is a lot more even-keeled.

            1. Utkonos   3 years ago

              One caveat with Pits: If I ever were to own one I would NEVER get a β€œrescue”—I don’t trust any Pit Bull’s past owners. I would get a puppy which I ALONE would raise and train.

              1. Zeb   3 years ago

                A friend had one of those and it tried to eat my wife's face. Had to tell him if I ever saw it off leash again it was getting shot.

                1. Square = Circle   3 years ago (edited)

                  Had to tell him if I ever saw it off leash again it was getting shot.

                  Pits should never be outside unleashed. Never.

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              2. Square = Circle   3 years ago (edited)

                If I ever were to own one I would NEVER get a β€œrescue”

                Mine is a β€˜rescue,’ and clearly had a pretty terrible first nine months before we got him.

                Given the nature of pits, what that means is that he’ll only tolerate the presence of me, my wife, and my daughter. When people come over, he gets crated, and he never goes out without a pinch collar on and without someone near him watching him to make sure he doesn’t get out (or dig a hole, because fuck if I couldn’t rent that dog out as an excavator).

                He’s not at all aggressive – he’s the biggest coward you’ll ever meet – but we don’t take chances, because he’s got those jaws.

                1. Nelson   3 years ago

                  My neighbor's pittie was a bait dog that was rescued from a dogfighting ring in rural Maryland. She was the sweetest girl you will ever meet. Temperament is a complex thing. Some dogs with a horrible background can be the most stable dogs in the world and some with no challenges can be erratic. You have to know your dog and be cautious, regardless of breed.

                  If something has a mouth, it can bite. How much damage they do depends on strength, size, and (for want of a better word) tenacity. If you want to see a dog that would wreck someone if they were bigger and stronger, watch a Jack Russell.

          2. Square = Circle   3 years ago

            The only reason Pitbull owners pick pitbulls is because they’re a dangerous breed.

            As a pit bull owner, please allow me to disabuse you of this notion.

            But also as a pit bull owner I will confirm your sense that, yes, you need to pay attention to them, because they can hurt people, and they can do it quickly.

            1. SRG   3 years ago (edited)

              My mechanic has a pit bull and he likes the breed so much he even named his garage β€œPit Bull Motors”. His pit bull is a delightful and friendly dog, who wanders out of the office area to be stroked and generally made a fuss of. I’m not a dog person, but she is really a very good dog.

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                Pitbull's are some of the most loving, goofy, friendly dogs you'll ever see and great with your kids, until the day something snaps and they tear out your wife's intestines.

                You can raise it from a puppy, with excellent discipline, and take all the proper precautions, but one day it'll go psycho for absolutely no reason and try to kill someone.

                It's baked into the breed, no other dog is quite like that. A Rottweiler or a Doberman will let you know for some time that they're going to be trouble. With a Pitbull it's always out of the blue.

                1. Nelson   3 years ago

                  You're ass-talking again. You should stop doing that.

          3. Nelson   3 years ago (edited)

            β€œpitbulls are absolutely the most dangerous dog breed out there”

            Pit bulls are like any other breed. Raise them with positive reinforcement training practices, touch them all over their bodies when they are puppies or, if they are a rescued dog, during their initial bonding period when you get them, use praise, and never punish them with pain, and you will, in the vast majority of cases, have a sweet, loving dog that feels safe and trusts that hands are good things that make them happy.

            Raise them with physical punishment, reinforce aggressive behavior, train them with the stick instead of the carrot, and/or neglect to show them affection and, regarless of breed, you will have a dog that you can’t trust.

            The reason pit bulls feature in so many grisly bite incidents is because they were bred for bear- and bull-baiting. Their jawbones are designed to lock and hold on to whatever they bite and their jaw muscles are extremely powerful, so they are very difficult to dislodge once they’ve latched on.

            I’ve worked in rescue (labs, not pitties) for a decade. I’ve seen what abuse does to dogs and I’ve seen what kindness, even after years of abuse, can accomplish.

            β€œsomething always goes wrong in their heads and the dog that’s great with kids becomes a sudden killer. Every time.”

            Not only is that hyperbolic, it isn’t even true with the majority of pit bulls. But they have been labeled β€œdangerous”, so when they bite it is said to be β€œin their nature” and when a β€œgentle” breed bites it is said to be an aberration.

            β€œthey’ve got to stop lying about the breed”

            They aren’t. My neighbor had the sweetest pit bull for almost 15 years, but I don’t have a bias one way or the other. Pit bulls aren’t inherently dangerous or violent dogs just waiting for a chance to strike. They just aren’t.

            β€œFirearm owners religiously practice safety measures”

            Lololololololol!!!!! That’s even more hyperbolic than your beliefs about pit bulls. Gun owners are just as likely to be irresponsible as anyone else. No more, no less. Hence the regularity of accidental discharges and accidental deaths.

            Good gun owners are as you say. Not all gun owners are good gun owners.

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

              Here’s fucking Shrike to try again today.

              β€œPit bulls are like any other breed. Raise them with positive reinforcement…blah…blah…Not only is that hyperbolic, it isn’t even true with the majority of pit bulls.”

              It’s exactly true about the breed you fucking moron. There are as many Pitbull attacks a by well trained and loved family dogs as there are by abused fight ring animals.

              For example: 2 Children Killed, Mother Hospitalized After Family Pit Bulls Attack Them Outside Tennessee Home

              And every-fucking-single-time we hear: β€œI can promise you those children were her world, and if there was any inkling of danger, she would have never had those dogs near her kids,”

              And it’s true because Pitbull’s are the most loving family dogs in the world until that one day that they snap out of the blue. Something no other breed does without plenty of warning.

              So your little spiel was bullshit. You know you’re lying, I know you’re lying, we all know that you’re lying. You are who I was talking about when I said this: β€œthey’ve got to stop lying about the breed”

              β€œI’ve worked in rescue for a decade.”

              I bet a million dollars you haven’t, Shrike. You probably don’t even own a dog. You’re just trying to troll me for β€œrevenge”.

              β€œFirearm owners religiously practice safety measures” Lololololololol!!!!! That’s even more hyperbolic than your beliefs about pit bulls. Gun owners are just as likely to be irresponsible as anyone else.

              If you didn’t speedread you would have realized that I was talking about gunowners as a group, and not individuals. Stupid, illiterate fuck.

              1. Nelson   3 years ago

                You are clueless about dogs and bites. Of course, you are clueless about most things that you spout off about.

                You aren't even a partisan hack. You're just a troll who has no knowledge or understanding of most things you try to talk about.

                Crawl back to your paleoconservative echo chamber and stop bothering those of us who actually argue with more than anecdotes and extreme rhetoric.

                β€œsomething always goes wrong in their heads and the dog that’s great with kids becomes a sudden killer. Every time.”

                This isn't a one-time hyperbolic, fact-free, extremist proclamation from you. This is how you post all the time. No one takes someone who posts like you do seriously.

              2. Nelson   3 years ago

                "I bet a million dollars you haven’t, Shrike. You probably don’t even own a dog. You’re just trying to troll me for β€œrevenge”."

                You lose. Go to https://brooklinelabrescue.org. We are an all-volunteer rescue that places labs and lab mixes. We've been doing it for over two decades, although I've only been with them for nine.

                And why would I need "revenge"? You are a pointless and irrelevant person. I don't even bother getting "revenge" on serious people who try to screw me over. A yapping little nothing like you who gets enraged over what people say on the internet? Please.

                "gunowners as a group"

                Yes. Those people. As a group they are not conscientious and fanatical safety fiends. They are like any other group. They have as many irresponsible, arrogant, fuck-the-rules types as any other organization.

                Claiming that if you are a gun owner it says something about your conscientiousness, reliability, and responsibility is prima facia idiocy that, on closer inspection, proves to be just another stupid thing you believe. There are a lot of them.

              3. Nelson   3 years ago (edited)

                Amazing how the world keeps making it easy to prove that boxes of rocks use the phrase β€œdumb as Mother’s Lament” to mean irredeemably ignorant.

                These are your words and your example of β€œproof”, with a simple substitution from the news. It speaks volumes:

                β€œIt’s exactly true about [gun owners] you fucking moron.”

                β€œFor example: [ https://nypost.com/2022/11/22/good-samaritans-restrain-gunman-who-opened-fire-in-florida-bar/ ]”

                I’m not sure if you believe that gunowners who are NRA members are extra-double-perfect gun safety fanatics, but either way, do you see how using anecdotes as evidence is what stupid people do?

                This guy doesn’t indict all gun owners or all NRA members. Pit bulls that bite don’t indict all pit bulls. Can you grasp this (rather simple) concept yet?

        3. jdgalt1   3 years ago

          The plaintiffs should have challenged the ban under the 2nd Amendment. I doubt the state can produce examples of historical bans on dog breeds to satisfy the Bruen standard.

        4. Smith1   3 years ago

          Use your Venn diagrams. Factor in the percentage of criminal dog owners that own pit bulls. In coming up with the statistics, if you remove the "bad owners" from the equation (gang members, drug dealers, those that raise them to fight) I think you will see that the dog isn't the issue; its the owner. Same argument as guns. It is bad gun owners that cause the problems for the responsible gun owners.

          1. Square = Circle   3 years ago

            the dog isn’t the issue; its the owner

            ^

            1. Nelson   3 years ago

              +1

              Although there are plenty of insecure suburban fathers who beat their dogs and create a dangerous animal. Trust me, I've been involved in enough removals to have seen it all.

              Dogs. Because people suck.

          2. DRM   3 years ago

            If there were, in fact, a specific type of gun that simultaneously made up only 6% of all firearms owned in the US, but was used in 64% of all illegal shootings and 80% of all gun homicides, I'd be okay with bans on that specific type of gun.

            It is of course obvious that the gun itself is not responsible for its misuse, but the fact that it was 28:1 more likely to be used to hurt people than the typical gun, and 63:1 more likely to be used to murder than the typical gun, would be an indicator that the gun's particular characteristics especially promote criminal misuse.

            Sure, maybe the ban won't have any benefit. Maybe the entire effect is that criminals are more attracted to that specific model of firearm for social-psychological reasons, and that they'll switch to a less-attractive firearm and use it criminally just as often. But that'd be a pretty low probability.

            And when we swap back to the domain of dogs, well, the thing with the gun is we know it didn't have any volitional control over when it fired. People can claim pit bulls do not have anything in their breed temperament that makes them more prone to attack than the average dog, but that's a lot harder to prove than it is to prove a gun didn't shoot itself.

            I mean, if pit bulls were just more likely to become violent as a result of neglect than other dog breeds, sure, you could point out the root cause is the neglect. But it'd still be sensible to assign some responsibility to the breed in that case, just as you'd note that a building was made of particularly flammable materials rather than stop at pointing out the root cause of a particular fire was an electrical fault.

            And, well, how would you go about demonstrating that pit bulls are not more likely to become violent due to neglect? A big scientific study where various breeds of dog are deliberately neglected? At some point, when you can't prove/disprove causation, the sensible thing is to accept particularly large correlations as a "good enough" basis for a decision. Thirty times more likely to injure a human and sixty times more likely to kill one than other dog breeds are particularly large numbers.

            1. Square = Circle   3 years ago

              If there were, in fact, a specific type of gun that simultaneously made up only 6% of all firearms owned in the US, but was used in 64% of all illegal shootings and 80% of all gun homicides, I’d be okay with bans on that specific type of gun.

              I think the better analogy would be if there were a specific type of gun that misfires more commonly. There have been societies around for decades dedicated to the extermination of Dalmatians, for example, because Dalmatians at this point are all so inbred that they're typically unpredictable and belligerent and just generally a problem, but people think they're cute.

              I don't think bans in general work, though, especially with the type of person that you might describe as 'the typical problem pit bull owner.'

        5. markm23   3 years ago

          My problem with that "64% of all dog-on-human attacks" statistic is that no one can accurately identify pit bulls. I learned that when my daughter's chocolate Labrador growled at an intruder and he claimed it was a pit bull - never mind the long narrow snout, it's a color sometimes found in pit bulls (like more than half of all dogs) and it's territorial like most dogs, so he thought it was a pittie.

          So what's really going on is that when a bites and does real damage, _then_ people look for a resemblance to a pittie . What this statistic really says is that most dog bites are from dogs that bite.

          1. JeremyR   3 years ago

            Labs are actually pretty aggressive too. My vet was terrified of one of mine, even though she was as sweet as could be to me and loved cats

        6. JeremyR   3 years ago

          Dog breeds exist for a reason. They were bred specifically for traits and behavior.

          Pit bulls were bred to fight. They might be sweet if raised to be sweet, but they still have the bred in instincts.

          Compare them to a Newfoundland. They were bred to rescue drowning people. Pretend to drown near one and it will try to rescue you, even if it's untrained. It might not understand how, but it will at least try. And conversely, they are about the least aggressive dogs on the planet. They don't even understand the concept of being aggressive.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            It's amazing how much behavior is actually genetic.

          2. R Mac   3 years ago

            Had a Newfie mix. Amazing dog.

          3. Nelson   3 years ago

            Pit bulls were bred to grab hold to something (usually a bear or a bull) and not let go.

            German Shepards are guard dogs. They are highly territorial and agressive defenders of their home and people. Dobermans, too. Rottweilers were bred to herd cows and protect them against predators. All three are more dangerous, by temperament and breeding, than pit bulls. Belgian Malinois make Shepherds look docile. Akitas, Chiws, King Corsos ... the list goes on.

            There are a lot more dogs that are bred to be a lot more aggressive than pit bulls. The bite strength, latching, and jaw power of pitties means that when they bite, they do a lot of damage. But there are a lot of aggressive breeds.

          4. Minadin   3 years ago

            My family has always had Australian Shepherds as our family pets - if you are unfamiliar, they are basically border collies without a tail.

            Anyway, as a kid, growing up in the SE Missouri Ozark woodlands, we would go on hikes as a family and take the dog along with us. The dog would run ahead of us on the trail, a good 20 yards or so, and then run back behind us, another 20 yards. Rinse, repeat, the entire hike. She probably did about 4x-5x the total distance her humans traveled, every hike.

            She was keeping us grouped and looking out for danger.

            She was herding.

            1. Nelson   3 years ago

              Yup. Aussies and Border Collies are amazing. They can get frustrated when their people aren't all in the same room, though. Their herding instinct is powerful. And their stamina is mind-boggling.

      2. ragebot   3 years ago

        Back in the day I was active in my HOA for the condo where I live and on the pet committee and spent a lot of time researching not just pit bulls but other dogs as well. One of the interesting things I found was that in terms of insurance it is common for companies to not just decline coverage for pit bulls in particular but for what I will call large dogs defined as weighing more than seventy pounds (or some other weight limit some going as low as thirty pounds).

        My Dad always had dogs but always with the caveat that anyone who owned a dog should also have a fenced in dog run. To me this is the key to any type of dog ownership. Maybe not a fenced in dog run but certainly adequate space and facilities to keep the dog in. Another consideration is what I will call training of dogs. Barking or whining dogs can be a legitimate annoyance and almost always are the result of inadequate training, same goes for other actions by dogs that annoy others.

        As an interesting side light my brother who owns a cattle ranch has owned several Leopard Dogs (AKA Catahoulas) which is my personal favorite as a choice of breed (with a close second being Weimaraners. In WWII the German military chose Weimaraners over German Shepards for military use which says a lot. Weimaraners were developed to hunt bears and not only are large strong dogs but were trained by the German military to not bark but attack by by putting their paws on a human's chest and rip out their throat. The down side of Weimaraners is they can develop mental issues something Leopard Dogs do not suffer from.) I was sitting in a Lazyboy watching a FSU/UF football game at my brother's house with two Leopard Dogs in the room. Leopard Dogs do require attention and exercise and Pancho, one of the Leopard Dogs, went to the front door, got the leash in his mouth, and came to where I was sitting and dropped it over my arm and stuck his nose under my elbow to let me know he expected me to take him outside for a walk. Point is owning a dog (pitbull or otherwise) is not a do it and forget it deal, it requires a real effort on the owners part.

        1. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

          Last time I bought home insurance, they had an upcharge for pit bulls and Rottweilers, but not Dobermans.

      3. SIV   3 years ago

        Yorkies are cool. They're ratters.

        Rat-baiting is a blood sport that involves releasing captured rats in an enclosed space with spectators betting on how long a dog, usually a terrier, takes to kill the rats. Often, two dogs competed, with the winner receiving a cash prize. It is now illegal in most countries.

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      The dog days are going vet. It gives one paws for thought.

    3. Just thinkin aloud   3 years ago

      Where in the Constitution does it say the government can determine what anyone may own? Wasn't property rights the cornerstone of our Constitutional Republic? I've been bitten by a pit bull, but I still wouldn't ban them. Prosecute dangerous owners, not the doggo's.

    4. Clipton   3 years ago

      I laugh every time I hear Pit Bull defenders claim that the breed is no more dangerous than any other. Pit Bulls attacking and maiming neighbors or even the owner's children are in the news constantly. Those same people claim crime is down and we're not in a recession.

      1. markm23   3 years ago

        There's a whole lot in the news that isn't true. Since 85% of "pit bull" identifications are wrong, how did that reporter know it was a pit bull?

        1. Square = Circle   3 years ago

          Since 85% of β€œpit bull” identifications are wrong, how did that reporter know it was a pit bull?

          The AR-15 of dogs.

    5. Liberty Lover   3 years ago

      The question is what is a pit bull? There is no breed called pit bull.
      Pit bull is a term used in the United States for a type of dog descended from bulldogs and terriers, while in other countries such as the United Kingdom the term is used as an abbreviation of the American Pit Bull Terrier breed.[1][2][3] The term was first used in 1927.[3] Within the United States the pit bull is usually considered a heterogeneous grouping that includes the breeds American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and occasionally the American Bulldog, along with any crossbred dog that shares certain physical characteristics with these breeds. In other countries including Britain, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is not considered a pit bull.[1][4][5] Most pit bull-type dogs descend from the British Bull and terrier, a 19th-century dog-fighting type developed from crosses between the Old English Bulldog and the Old English Terrier.[6][7][8]
      So your beloved pet, even a mutt, could be banned because someone doesn't like the way it looks. Joe Biden's America!

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A new study purportedly shows the dangers of smoking marijuana...

    It's all po-po related.

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      As someone who has smoked both cigarettes and weed, I would believe this study. At least cigarettes have filters, and I've seen the shit I have to wash out of the pipe every once in a while. It can't possibly be good for me.

      1. Smith1   3 years ago

        That's what the bong water is for...

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          No bowl

    2. xajese   3 years ago (edited)

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    3. TJJ2000   3 years ago

      So long as the dog only bytes the owner πŸ™‚

  3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Publisher merger is likely dead.

    One publisher to rule them all, weeding out the unwoke from gaining platform. Our next step toward utopia is so also dead.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Pretty sure there would still be more than one publisher left.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Whoosh! (Again)

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          It's purposeful ignorance. He's playing games.

      2. Nelson   3 years ago

        Two behemoths and a bunch of crumb-catchers is not a competitive market.

        Look at phones. Obviously the best thing that ever happened to consumers was the breakup of AT&T, which allowed (among other things) for cell phone to compete with the network of pay phones from AT&T. The best thing that ever happened to cell phone customers was the denial of the merger between T-Mobile and Sprint. You like your cheap unlimited data plan? That was a direct result of T-Mobile needing to compete to win instead of just gobbling up enough other carriers to match Verizon and AT&T in size.

        Capitalism works when markets are competitive, but without anti-trust oversight it can lead to monopolies.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          The book publishing industry currently has β€œThe Big Five”. If these two merged it would still be β€œThe Big Four”.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            That depends on the genre, of course. Academic, nonfiction, literary fiction, pulp fiction, etc. If you just lump together the total business of each publisher, you aren't really analyzing competitiveness, you're analyzing size.

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              Sure. That is so. I never claimed to be looking at it from any angle other than publisher size.

              1. Nelson   3 years ago

                But in anti-trust issues, competitiveness is the important factor.

                If you have five publishers, each with a monopoly in their particular market, you have no competition. If you have five publishers, each of which has a competitive footprint in each market, you have robust competition.

                Anti-trust tries to eliminate the former and sees the latter as the gold standard.

                So yes, it is a big deal if the big 5 becomes the big 4.

  4. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    The usual suspects are trying to pin the Q nightclub shooting on their favorite targets.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-springs-mayor-lgbtq-nightclub-mass-shooting-hate-crime-investigation-ongoing

    Yet...

    Aldrich had previously been arrested in June 2021 for making multiple bomb threats and refusing to surrender to police.

    Police received reports from Aldrich's mother on June 18, 2021, stating that Aldrich was "threatening to cause harm to her with a homemade bomb, multiple weapons, and ammunition," according to the El Paso Sheriff's Department.

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Yeah, I know the ususal suspects will make their usual screams. Over/Under on them actually lucking out into this one actually being some sort of MAGA maniac? Or will it just be the usual deranged lefty?

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        I assumed that because we didn't get insta-disclosure of his motives, especially with known priors, he was Muslim, gay, FBI agent, or some combination of the three.

        1. MatthewSlyfield   3 years ago

          A gay Muslim FBI agent?

          1. ragebot   3 years ago

            Better than the rainbow colored lizard people.

      2. Ragnarredbeard   3 years ago

        Given that so far the best I've seen the left publish is that his grandfather is a Republican, that tells me the shooter is a lefty.

        1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

          It's Colorado Springs. Everyone's grandfather is a Republican there.

    2. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Wait, the Q Nightclub?!?!?!?

      Are we sure it was a gay nightclub and not a pedophile sex parlor?

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        Do they serve pizza?

      2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        Maybe it's a Qanon night club. You could tell from the bread crumbs scattered around.

        Also every night concludes with "The Storm," where the sprinklers come on and the DJ plays The Weather Girls song "It's Raining Men." πŸ™‚
        https://youtu.be/l5aZJBLAu1E

        It would be fitting in with the whole "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" trope as well. πŸ™‚

        'Course, some people here have been taking notes from Misek and saying that Qanon doesn't exist, so the Sisyphean stone keeps gathering no moss.

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          Wait, Herr Misek weighed in on QAnon? I guess I did Nazi that post!

          1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            What I was meaning to say is that those who deny Qanon are emulating Misek in his brazen irrationality of denying The Holocaust.

            How Misek would stand on Qanon is an open question. Since Qanon does use rhetoric and tropes from The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, I would imagine Misek would love Qanon. But, of course, if he doesn't like Qanon, Misek would naturally say they are a Jewish-ran front.

            Misek does claim that Nazis and Jews worked together, so who knows? He can follow "bread crumbs" off a cliff for all I care. πŸ™‚

      3. Utkonos   3 years ago

        β€œWait, the Q Nightclub?!?!?!?”
        More on that angle Anon…

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          Damn, this roundup has been a gold mine for you. I don't even like puns and I've chuckled at a few (like this one).

          You're on fire. Probably a top 3 performance since I came here, with a legitimate claim to the top spot.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            Utkonos is The Pun-Master and one of the reasons I still hang around! The H & R Comments section would turn into multiple sissy slap-fights without his comic relief!

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      They didn't learn from the Pulse Nightclub shooting. In fact they still tell that false narrative.

      1. Marshal   3 years ago

        They didn’t learn from the Pulse Nightclub shooting. I

        It's more like you didn't learn from the Pulse shooting. They learned that their media control can ensure the public retains its belief in the initial accusations that their enemies on the right are guilty even if this is factually false. What do think they failed to learn?

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Good point. They fully expect their false narratives to become fact. Which is one of the reasons they are so concerned about Twitter.

        2. jdgalt1   3 years ago

          That the group really responsible for the Pulse shooting (Muslims) really are a danger to society.

      2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        So it was both. A hate crime by Muslims. A banana peel floor polish and a poisonous dessert topping. Two bad tastes that taste worse together.

    4. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Awesome line from The Daily Mail:

      Bartender Michael Anderson, who was cowering on the club's patio when the gunman was overpowered, said: 'There were some very brave people beating him and kicking him, stopping him from causing more damage. They saved my life last night.'

      I can't tell which is funnier, that some reporter decided to go to print with that without permission, or that he did. "OK, just leave out the part where I was crying into a puddle of my own urine."

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        Jethuth Chrith!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          You brute!

        2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

          Hmm? πŸ˜‰

  5. Don Mynack   3 years ago

    "prophylactically muzzle professors from expressing certain viewpoints."

    Meanwhile, professors and administrators will continue to do exactly that to students..

    1. Anomalous   3 years ago

      Muzzle them with prophylactics!

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        I just condom such violent acts.

        1. Á àß Àẞç ãþÇđ ÒÞ’Đæ ǎB€Ðëf αΊ£hf   3 years ago

          Cum for the lynx, stay for the puns.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Look. I get ENB is all sex all the time, but don't think she has linked to bestiality prior.

        2. Utkonos   3 years ago

          So does ENB. They really rubber the wrong way.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Five people were killed and at least 18 others wounded in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs.

    I blame my current cultural enemy.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Breaking news is that the shooter threatened his own mother with a bomb last year.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        And……

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          Apparently that didn't prevent him from legally buying the guns he used in the shooting. Those standards should probably be examined, since if threatening to blow your mother up with a bomb doesn't raise a red flag, I don't know what would.

  7. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Gang of Four most hurt.

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/20/kevin-mccarthy-said-he-would-boot-several-dems-from-committees-as-speaker/

    The top Republican in the House of Representatives has vowed to keep several Democratic lawmakers off of congressional committees if he is elevated to speaker by his caucus.

    Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) said on Fox News’ β€œSunday Morning Futures” the bans would apply to Reps. Ilhan Omar (D-MN), Adam Schiff (D-CA) and Eric Swalwell (D-CA).

    1. Ska   3 years ago

      Entertainment! came out over 40 years ago and is still a banger track after track.

      1. Barfman9000   3 years ago

        Well, except for all the commie agit-prop.

      2. Square = Circle   3 years ago

        IMHO Songs of the Free was their masterpiece, except for all the commie agit-prop.

      3. Ignore me!   3 years ago

        I haven't listened to Songs of the Free in years, but I've listened to Entertainment! plenty of times. I'll have to pull SotF off the shelf and give it a spin.

        1. Ignore me!   3 years ago

          Listening to SotF again, I wouldn't say it's their best, but a strong case to be made for it being their most underrated.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      One for banging a Chinese spy, one for falsely leaking dossier information as confirmed by the IC, one for being antisemitic.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Unsafe democracy!

      1. MatthewSlyfield   3 years ago

        The government butt fucking people without condoms?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Don't they usually?

        2. ragebot   3 years ago

          "The government butt fucking people without condoms?"

          The real question is was it without lube?

    4. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      Earlier this year he said he kick Waters off of the finance committee. Conspicuously missing from the new list.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Anti-abortion groups are suing to overturn the Food and Drug Administration's approval of abortion-inducing drugs.

    Repeat.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...a federal court has blocked Ron DeSantis' "Stop WOKE Act," which the court says would "prophylactically muzzle professors from expressing certain viewpoints."

    Bareback them minds!

    1. Anomalous   3 years ago

      Raw dog opinionating will doubtless occur.

  10. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

    "There's No Constitutional Right To Own a Pit Bull, Federal Court Says"

    I'm sure it's in there. Check again in the PENUMBRAS FORMED BY EMANATIONS.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      A super precedent.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Any state lines crossed?

        1. defaultdotxbe   3 years ago

          Since the prevailing winds blow from the west, the air the dog breathes was in Nebraska the day before, so interstate commerce applies.

    2. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago (edited)

      No, check the Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments. They say all that needs to be said.

    3. markm23   3 years ago

      Considering that the city's error rate in identifying pit bulls is 85%, this law should be void for vagueness.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        That probably beats counting ballots.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    ...Ron Bailey reports from the 2022 United Nations Climate Change conference.

    Disclosure: He didn't get there on bicycle.

  12. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Aristos_Return/status/1582832793784299520?t=XEVUAFEB9rPOIglDEEMUOg&s=19

    What is special about Twitter is not the platform itself or the business model. The business model is deeply unprofitable. Twitter represents a form of soft power that has almost no price in a civilization that depends heavily on narrative control.
    People often wonder why Twitter has so much smaller of a user base than Facebook, Instagram, etc, and yet the appearance is very much that of Twitter being upstream of all other sources. *Who* uses Twitter is what makes it special. Every major figure of cultural responsibility.
    When Twitter went live every media outlet and every agent of every celeb pressured them to make one. I've seen journalists say this themselves that it was demanded.

    Why?

    Because Twitter was designed as one big public-private cooperative "Inception Machine".

    If important people are here and highly active, that means you have access to them to a degree. You do, I do, but more importantly, *bots do*.

    Once hooked up to the dopamine drip, you can control the supply with fake engagement to trigger pavlovian feelings and responses.

    Powerful groups of people have come to the conclusion long ago that rather than spend resources convincing people something is true or viable, they have decided to surround them with rhetoric and gaslight them until they've convinced themselves.

    This was always a thing, but kicked into overdrive in 2015.

    This is part of the reason for Musks fight regarding the number of bots on the platform. Because it both defrauds Twitters advertisers with fake engagement numbers and is key to gaslighting power.

    Imagine you're an attention hungry journo, and your work is validated by how much the public reads and engages with it. Every anti-Trump or anti-Racism focused article goes bonkers, and articles about anything else flatline.

    What do you choose to write about? Trump/Racism.

    This is also why when you look at the average journalist or think tanker, they can have hundreds of thousands of followers and get absolutely ratio'd by 10k frog accounts. Because our followers are actually *human*.

    Journo countersignals regime? They bleed bots/engagement.

    That's why these people get more and more insane, as they attempt to read the tea leaves of what gets them a lick of the ice cream cone. It causes them to get more extreme and inane.

    "Why didn't I get hundreds of likes with my hot take?!"

    These followers provide fake consensus

    This feels to me like a government sponsored public/private partnership where @jack was never allowed to be fully in charge after a certain point. It also feels like the ultimate brainchild of @CassSunstein

    "Nudge Theory".

    Nudge Theory is essentially inception. It's creating a choice architecture that incentivizes doing what those implementing it want. At it's core, it's social pavlovian conditioning without consent.

    This is why you see nonsensical articles like "Why the pro-life movement is creating a diaper shortage" or "How eating meat is racist."

    It's all just Journos trying desperately to capture propaganda arbitrage in order to look important enough to keep paying.

    Just look at the average journo at a major publication. They'll have 300k followers, most of their threads that aren't "Current Thing" focused will get piss poor engagement, and when they tap what is "desirable" content they shoot up into tens or hundreds of thousands in likes.
    This makes Twitter a powerful tool for the ruling class, because in lieu of needing to onboard or brief assets to contribute to their narrative enforcement, they can simply perform inception. This is cheaper and more secure, and a measure of answer to "How many are involved?"

    And if you incept every journo at every major publication to be just another dopamine addicted rat in a skinner box, then you have your answer to how these narratives can turn on a dime without these people being read into any of it. The panopticon catches those that resist.

    In hacker terminology, these high society elites *and* the midwits who work for them, have effectively been "owned" and don't even know it. Psychologically hacked and cracked. This has been going on for literally half a decade at this point, if not longer.

    has discussed this from the frame of "Psychosecurity" as a measure of how easy you are to incept, and what sort of liability that poses to your organization, because inception doesn't just work from one source.

    But in addition to this method of manufacturing consensus among the powerful to push downstream, it obviously has its own enforcement entities that walk around scything the tallest flowers on the parts of twitter that are dissidents. But it's a game of whack a mole.
    The double edged sword of all the important levers being on twitter is that *we* can ratio them too, and slap their psychosecurity around from this platform...

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Ironically, social media is probably worse for society than rampant legal drug use would be.

      No, this is not a suggestion to appoint a "Social MEdia Czar" or start a "War on Social MEdia", I'm just saying, they're really good at that dopamine hit trick. Just like the rat hitting the bar for more cocaine.

      (Those "MEdias" were originally just a coincidental pair of typos, but I think I actually kinda like the meta aspect of it, since so much "Social" media ends up being about the person using it. So I left them. πŸ˜€ )

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        Like anything, it's a double edged sword.
        On the one hand it drives/reinforces all sorts of psychosis and bigotry (which we now call "woke"), but on the other hand it allows truth through filters.
        Think of the situation last week with Poland getting struck by off target Ukrainian missiles. It was initially reported as a Russian attack on a NATO member. NAFOs were out in full frothing fury. But fortunately a witness to the wreckage snapped photos of the debris and immediately uploaded them to the internet. Those photos were shared and showed Ukrainian equipment, taking all the wind out of the warmongers' sails.
        For all the bullshit it facilitates, can you imagine this media with an even greater stranglehold on information dissemination?

  13. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Snow clickbait for those of you living down South.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2022/11/20/1137579787/buffalo-western-new-york-snow-photos

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Ew. Driving in New England in a tractor trailer after 30 years of living in New Mexico was probably one of the more continuously nerve wracking things I've ever done for days on end...

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Thats a lot of blow. Wait. What is snow again?

    3. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Dog looks pretty happy though. "Finally I'm in an environment where this fucking fur coat makes sense!"

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        The "This is fine." meme we need, but not the "This is fine." meme we deserve.

    4. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

      Up here, we call that "Tuesday".

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        From what I've heard, 6' of snow out west would be like 2' in the east because the moisture content is much higher.

    5. Fetterman's Hump (formerly Ecoli)   3 years ago

      I might have missed it.

      Did NPR blame this snow-job on Ultra-MAGA-White-Supremacists"? If not, why not? It is, after all, a blanket of whiteness upon the Earth. NPR could do a whole series on "The Problem of Whiteness, see, I told you so"...

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        Might as well have, since Biden just pledged billions more for "climate reparations"

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Just send the cannibals some snow balls.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes was sentenced to 11 years and 3 months in prison.

    Too early to have claimed her product prevented COVID and had then gotten a free pass and billions of taxdollar revenue.

    1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      ha!

    2. SRG   3 years ago

      Or for Trump et al to claim that her product cured Covid and MSM were covering it up.

  15. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3744157-arizonas-ag-wades-into-post-election-tension-in-maricopa-county/

    The Arizona Attorney General Office’s Elections Integrity Unit has received β€œhundreds of complaints” about the state’s election administration since Election Day, Brnovich said in a four-page letter to the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office on Saturday.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Election deniers.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      A poll of election observers said 84% didn't believe they had a fair or clean election. 84% that's from both parties.

      And now it has come out election officials dealing with the printer delays were telling voters to go to a different site, spoil their ballots, but not marking them as spoiled so votes at second sites were rejected as they had already voted. No count on how many people this affected.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        But only "those" people.

    3. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      Imagine people complaining that an urban county is spending a week longer counting votes than in rural counties in South Dakota.

      1. TJJ2000   3 years ago

        Problem being 'an urban county' not all urban counties.

        It is quite puzzling why the longer they take the more Democratic they go. Its due time to repeal mail-in voting and mystery votes.

      2. damikesc   3 years ago

        What's up with the count in Alaska? Have they even finished round one yet?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Democrats are still laughing (and scheming) about how one of theirs won (and might win again) in a state that is 80% Republican.

  16. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

    "President Joe Biden is now 80 years old."

    Parody is obsolete: Exhibit #209

    President Biden turns 80 on Sunday, and would be 86 at the end of a second term. The New York Times spoke to 10 experts in aging about what the next six years might look like for a person of that age. They agreed that Biden has a lot going in his favor.

    Didn't see the point in spamming #BidenIsAsSharpAsEver for another 2 to 6 years when NYT runs stuff like that.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

      Parody is obsolete: Exhibit #163

      For @elonmusk to allow Donald Trump back on Twitter, ostensibly after a brief poll, shows he is not remotely serious about safeguarding the platform from hate, harassment and misinformation.

      More liberal whining about Musk's Twitter purchase, which even perpetually hysterical OBL didn't care about.

      #PrivateCompany

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        If they don’t like Twitter, they should move over to Truth Social.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        The irony being that trump said he won't start using Twitter again and his last dozen posts were him telling j6 protestors to go home including a video.

    2. Super Scary   3 years ago (edited)

      Maybe they can get some soy-infused blogger to flop around trying to do Joe Biden’s daily workout routine like they did with RBG. That should instill confidence in Biden's health.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        3 lb weights = healthy.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Moar naps!

    4. Krokko   3 years ago

      ...Biden has a lot going in his favor.

      Is he going to receive total consciousness on his deathbed?

      1. Marshal   3 years ago

        He has that going for him.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Wait, is there a pool and a pond at the Whitehouse?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

            They have both, a pool and a pond. A pond would be good for you.

        2. wingnutx   3 years ago

          ... which is nice.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The Kids Online Safety Act would amp up online surveillance while doing little to actually protect kids...

    Um, they couldn't call it that if it didn't save kids.

    1. MatthewSlyfield   3 years ago

      Yes they can. Most Congressional bills actually do the opposite of what their short title says.

      1. The Margrave of Azilia   3 years ago

        I see, your sarcasm detector was in the "off" position.

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Maybe THIS one fights inflation?

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        And Whips It Now! πŸ™‚

  18. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1594701364969590785?t=6YeXf4-D3kImWF_PVxIjlw&s=19

    Two years after anyone with a functional brain realized the Hunter Biden laptop was 100% real @CBSNews has finally gotten around to reporting the Hunter Biden laptop is 100% real.

    [Link]

    1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      Now they'll report "it's old news" and not worth digging up again.

  19. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Seriously!?!

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63699786

    New Zealand's Supreme Court has ruled that the country's current voting age of 18 is discriminatory, meaning parliament must discuss whether it should be lowered.

    The case was brought by campaign group Make It 16, which wants the voting age reduced to include 16 and 17 year olds.

    And the kicker,

    The group argued that young people should be able to vote on matters affecting them, such as climate change.

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      Ok, as long as they're that mature, they'll be opening them up to get credit cards and act in porn too, right?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        And guns?

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Hence why indoctrination young minds is so important to the left.

      1. Nelson   3 years ago (edited)

        And churches. Indoctrination of the young was perfected by religion long ago.

      2. Ignore me!   3 years ago

        Exposure to real-world experience is devastating to leftist ideology. There's a reason it tends to flourish in insular, solipsistic, hothouse environments (academia, bureaucracies, suburban enclaves, the entertainment industry) and not among people who confront actual (not theoretical) problems.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          And who are these mythical "people who confront actual (not theoretical) problems? FBI agents? White collar businesspeople? College educated people? Because if I've learned anything from these comments, it's that all of those people are woke leftists.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      I agree that voting age standards are discriminatory. I prefer letting all ages vote, as long as $1 tax paid earns 1 vote to cast.

      1. defaultdotxbe   3 years ago

        And people who "pay" net-negative income tax, their $1/vote is redistributed as dividends to the people who did pay taxes.

    4. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      They should be allowed to vote if they can produce their last paycheck at the polling station.

    5. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      18 is discriminatory but 16 is not.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Just ask Traci Lords.

    6. Nardz   3 years ago

      Should be raised to 30.

      1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

        Or, at least 25. Brain development stops at 25, so seems reasonable. Trust the science?

      2. Zeb   3 years ago

        30 seems like about the right spot. If one is ever going to grow up, it will probably start to happen by then.
        Or maybe have voting age vary by office and be the same as the required minimum age for the office.

    7. ragebot   3 years ago

      Back in the day the concept of taxation without representation gained popularity but today the concept of representation without taxation seems to be headed in the same direction.

    8. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Heck, let them vote as soon as they’re old enough to read the ballot. That’s the key, wee one!

  20. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Zero Covid = Zero Brains

    https://apnews.com/article/taiwan-health-china-beijing-covid-91990494741e8c5e75da7d9ce22addb1

    The southern Chinese metropolis of Guangzhou locked down its largest district Monday as it tries to tamp down a major COVID-19 outbreak, suspending public transit and requiring residents to present a negative test if they want to leave their homes.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      This time for sure it will work!

    2. Nelson   3 years ago

      If you want to know what is going to be in short supply soon, figure out what industry that province serves. They are going to miss their delivery dayes by at least a month.

  21. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    … But the point might be mute:

    Fucking β€œeditors”.

    1. Jerryskids   3 years ago

      But the point might be mute

      Even Joey Tribianni knows it's the point is moo. Like a cow's opinion, who cares?

    2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      Or Moo.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bo54wE_rJU

    3. Anomalous   3 years ago

      In the Zen koan, it's mu.

      1. Krokko   3 years ago

        Omega Mus?

        1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

          "THERE ARE NO COWS MOOING, DAMNIT!" πŸ˜‰
          The Omega Man--Trailer
          https://youtu.be/NUkU18MrBzU

          1. Utkonos   3 years ago

            Moo shcmoo, these Branch Covidians are milking this for all it’s worth. Udderly ridiculous!

            1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

              You mean Branch COW-vidians. πŸ˜‰

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Grammar is raciss! Or is it lacist?

    5. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Filthy mutants.

  22. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1594434630173700097?t=5IJ27GoLHneZbe2jliUP9A&s=19

    Climate fanatics are now attacking art unprotected by plexiglass. This is what happens when governments refuse to prosecute criminal conspiracies. The elites who demanded the freezing of Canadian trucker bank accounts today decry basic law enforcement.

    [Link]

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Are there no art lovers willing to or capable of kicking their asses in the spot?

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        The friendly DAs charge then for assault abd let the protestors go.

        See the example in Washington where a dozen antifa attacked a conservative reporter so he pulled a gun to defend himself and only he was charged.

        1. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

          Gun down your attackers and demand a jury trial. Less antifa trash in the world, and good chance of acquittal.

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago (edited)

          See the example in Washington where a dozen antifa attacked a conservative reporter so he pulled a gun to defend himself and only he was charged.

          If you are referring to Michael Strickland, it happened in Portland, OR. He was convicted and sentenced for defending himself. His case has actually been appealed to the SCOTUS.

        3. Nelson   3 years ago

          Yes, "antifa". Which group was it, again? The antifa one that has the antifa people doing antifa things?

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Hey, whatever the art vandals do when they are not protesting must be way more important that what truckers do.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        You can't remove that! It's a load-bearing moron with their hand glued to something!

        1. Krokko   3 years ago

          I'm going to write down "load-bearing moron" for future use. Thank you.

      2. Utkonos   3 years ago

        In their downtime The Vandals are Ladykillers! (Uh huh Uh huh Uh huh)

    3. Ragnarredbeard   3 years ago

      Wanna protect your valuable fancy-schmancy art collection? Hire some bikers to guard it. I guarantee the climate loonies will only try to deface it once.

    4. Utkonos   3 years ago

      They’d just claim they’d been framed

    5. Square = Circle   3 years ago

      Climate fanatics are now attacking art unprotected by plexiglass.

      Well, Warhol. So "art."

      1. Nelson   3 years ago

        Damn. That was cold as canned tomato soup.

        And you aren't wrong.

  23. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    The progressives don't like being fact checked.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/surge-twitter-fact-checks-progressive-figures-praise-tech-watchdogs

    Twitter users have been wondering whether a surge in new fact-checks of progressive figures is part of a new egalitarian business model for Elon Musk’s social media site, which has previously been slammed for targeting conservative accounts before going private.

    Many on the political left and in the media expressed strong displeasure at the idea of Elon Musk taking control of Twitter. But one apparent change noted by many since it became official on Oct. 26 is an uptick in fact checks of liberal politicians like Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren. Additionally, false claims about Republicans, such as one implying racism against Virginia’s Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin, have also been debunked.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Related...

      https://www.yahoo.com/video/democrats-trust-favorability-twitter-plummets-194000336.html

      Twitter’s net favorability among Democrats in 2022 dipped from net plus 20.4 percentage points in January to -3.2 in November, with the vast majority of those declines occurring after Musk took over in October. Net trust, meanwhile among Democrats shot down 29.3 points during the same time. Graphs illustrating both the measurements, which generally trended down most of the year save some brief recoveries, suddenly resembled the world’s steepest ski slope come October.

      Here's the world's smallest violin for your troubles there, progtards.

    2. perlmonger   3 years ago

      "Facts" are part of the Cis Het White Male Patriarchy. They may be safely disregarded as needed.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Wrong. Facts are lived experiences and feelings in opposition to the oppressor fascist capitalist class. Only MAGA types and Fox News disregard facts.

        1. JimboJr   3 years ago

          brought to you by the "men can get pregnant" crowd

      2. Utkonos   3 years ago

        The only Safe Space Zone s in Virginia where they have fair facts.

  24. Alan Vanneman   3 years ago

    "But the point might be mute"

    Okay, that might be funny, but I think the correct word is "moot".

    1. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Be quiet

  25. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Nothing about rig counts here.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/21/goldman-sachs-cuts-oil-forecast-to-100-per-barrel.html

    Goldman Sachs lowered its oil price forecast by $10 to $100 per barrel for the fourth quarter of 2022, citing rising Covid concerns in China and lack of clarity over the Group of Seven nations’ plan to cap Russian oil prices.

  26. nobody 2   3 years ago

    "The city countered that pit bulls made up a disproportionate amount of dog bites in year leading up to the ban..."

    Which isn't surprising when "pit bull" is actually three different kinds of dog. If each of the "pit bull" breeds bites exactly as often as German Shepherds (which were the evil satanic dogs that must be banned for a while when I was a kid), then the city can claim that "pit bulls bite people three times as often".

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Nobody needs 3 kinds of pit bulls.

    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      When I was a kid Dobermans were the devil's breed.

    3. Anomalous   3 years ago

      Don't ignore the danger of Rottweilers.

      1. Utkonos   3 years ago

        Who, in my experience are also sweet dogs

    4. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      I wish they'd just stuck to banning Pit Bulls that came with Bayonet Mounts and High Capacity Feeders.

    5. Eeyore   3 years ago

      German Shepherds are definitely the evil breed.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Well, the Nazis were fond of them.

        /Oh shit, that's Godwin's Law in action.

        1. Utkonos   3 years ago

          Especially a certain Nazi. Fuehrer cats prefer Blondis!

  27. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://beincrypto.com/us-senator-demands-answer-over-sbf-lavish-donations-to-democrats/

    Once standing second for Democrat political funding has dropped off the list following the collapse. But even if the donator went away, US Senators are now asking questions to Joe Biden-led administrations over these donations.

  28. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    If pit bulls are so dangerous, why do cops use German Shepherds?

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      What about the dangerous β€œbears in trunks”?

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        What do swimming bears have to do with biting dogs?

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Trunks of cars, sarc. Trunk bears.

          1. perlmonger   3 years ago

            Pit Bears?

            (Pit Bear Terriers? I dunno.)

          2. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Since sarc has the memory of a goldfish.

            https://reason.com/podcast/2021/10/25/freedom-responsibility-and-coronavirus-policy/?comments=true#comment-9176512

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

              Goldfish in trunks?

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Touche.

            2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              I'm used to you taking things out of context, intentionally misinterpreting things I say or just making shit up, but now you're accusing me of forgetting conversations I wasn't part of?

              That's new.

              1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                It was yesterday!

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago (edited)

                  Dude, follow JesseAz’s link and then look for my part in the conversation. It’s not there. He’s accusing me of forgetting a conversation that I never had. You don’t think that’s retarded?

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    "now you’re accusing me of forgetting conversations I wasn’t part of?"

                    sarcasmic
                    September.9.2021 at 11:59 am
                    I’M EVERYONE AND EVERYWHERE!!!!!!! I DONT EAT OR SHIT OR PISS OR FUCK OR NOTHING!!!!!

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

        Every time you all bring that up, you demonstrate that you are not serious about discussing the concept of negligence from a libertarian perspective.

        So let me ask again, maybe this time it will be answered:

        If a person *unintentionally* causes harm to another, via actions that the person should have known would have caused harm, what if any culpability does that person have in the harm that he/she caused? Hmm?

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Every time you all bring that up, you demonstrate that you are not serious about discussing the concept of negligence from a libertarian perspective.

          LOL
          "C'mon guys! I was serious about the 'trunk bears' thing. Quit laughing! Why won't anybody take me seriously?"

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            That's "super serial".

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            I am serious about discussing the concept of negligence from a libertarian perspective. Are you? Clearly not.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Poor Lying Jeffy.

            2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              You need some better analogies.

            3. mad.casual   3 years ago

              "One cannot have a serious discussion of negligence from a libertarian perspective without also discussing the seriousness of trunk bears."

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                My favorite rothbard essay was about bears living in trunks.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  Why did you accuse me of forgetting a conversation I wasn't part of?

                  Just curious. Because it seems really retarded to post a link to comments where I posted zero times as proof that I forgot something.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    Ask chemjeff about bears in trunks, sarcasmic.

                  2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                    I'm waiting for ML to post his "gotcha" link where when he mutes 'sarcasmic' it mutes other handles, but not this one. To him that's proof that I'm a sock. Talk about retarded. Not that I'll see it. He's on mute until he can stop acting like a child.

                    1. R Mac   3 years ago

                      This post wasn’t childish at all, however.

                    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      You mean the one that I did on the very Roundup page you challenged me, that included almost a dozen examples but you ignored, and then spammed the various threads saying I hadn't, and then when I posted a link under every spammy comment you made, you ghosted them all? You mean those gotcha links Sarcasmic?

                      Your mendacity is only exceeded by your stupidity, you drunken piece of garbage. If your going to claim victory and start flinging shit, maybe first check out the finish line.

                    3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      ML replied. Did he post a link to his proof that this account has never run under other names, but another account has run mine and others? By that I mean you block the sarcasmic on his linked post, and other names disappear. But this one does not. That's proof that this account is not the sock, and that someone else was socking this account. Did he admit that he was wrong to accuse me of being the sock and apologize like a man?

                       
                      Yeah. Right.

                    4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      Now he's pretending to have suddenly muted me so that he doesn't have to admit he ghosted and ignored the links I gave, and take the "L" for being a lying retard.

                      Sarc may be stupid but he's always predictable.

            4. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

              I am serious about discussing the concept of negligence from a libertarian perspective

              And your go to for that was a bear in the trunk of a car that somehow got loose, maimed a person, then climbed back into the trunk of the same car. Was it Yogi bear's dark twin? Boo Boo after a long bout with depression? Was there an errant pic-a-nic basket involved?
              That defines serious discussion for you.

              1. Utkonos   3 years ago

                Trunk Bear sounds like a Hood Rat!

        2. Nobartium   3 years ago

          Because there is nothing to discuss.

          Aside from the general principles of Caveat Emptor, live and let live, the NAP and free association, negligence is a collectivistic punishment. There's nothing libertarian about it.

          This isn't an argument against such laws, but they aren't founded in the individualist realm.

          1. Overt   3 years ago

            "negligence is a collectivistic punishment. "

            No it isn't. It's just that Chemjeff has to create an absolutely absurd and tortured analogy to try and illustrate his very bad understanding of "negligence".

            Negligence is an important attribute for establishing culpability especially in torts. Consider that a man accidentally shoots a child. Does he bear (hah!) responsibility for that? What if he was at a firing range, and the child snuck out behind the targets? That is a different set of circumstances than if he was just shooting randomly towards a forest where other people are camping.

            Understanding who was negligent in these cases helps to determine who is actually at fault.

        3. Overt   3 years ago

          "If a person *unintentionally* causes harm to another, via actions that the person should have known would have caused harm, "

          This is your mistake. You insist that someone "should have known" that a bear was in the trunk of their car. This is why you get laughed at. You honestly assert that a person should be culpable for the absurdly unlikely case that a random act of nature happens to involve them.

          1. Overt   3 years ago (edited)

            It is also noteworthy that your entire construction was wrong, and yet you are still here arguing the bad point.

            Your moral scenario only works if one accepts the premise that vaccination from COVID was effective at preventing a person from catching, carrying and transmitting the disease.

            Now flash forward a year, and you are still doubling down on this. Not a shred of contrition that the narrative premise you pushed was wrong. Vaccinated people still catch the disease. They still carry the disease. And they still transmit the disease. So your entire premise was 100% off track, even before trying to make your moral argument.

            But do you cop to that? No. You just continue to assert that libertarians aren’t β€œdealing” with an important issue that you won’t even admit your errors on.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

              Vaccinated people still catch the disease. They still carry the disease. And they still transmit the disease. So your entire premise was 100% off track, even before trying to make your moral argument.

              Which was exactly what I told Jeffy last year. His metaphor unquestionably conflated being unvaccinated with being infected.

              The playbook is dissemble, deflect, distract and Jeffy scored a hat-trick that day.

            2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

              Well yeah, but if the bear is muzzled and de clawed it might never get out of the trunk! Hah!

    2. Super Scary   3 years ago

      We need a new breed of dachshund that the police can use to wrap up suspects/criminals. That way, they can just unspool to the dog back at the station.

    3. JimboJr   3 years ago

      precision, consistency

      Do you want a rifle you can put rounds on target at 200 yards, or a bazooka that occasionally misfires

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Or, at least, a hand grenade vs. a claymore.

        1. Dillinger   3 years ago

          play more with Claymore.

    4. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      Because pit bulls are so dangerous.

    5. Demosthenes of Athens   3 years ago

      I worked in Liability claims for a while. Pit bulls were the overwhelming majority of dogs in dog bite cases (90% or so of the cases I handled). They were particularly terrible with children. Most of the time I was looking at a dog who was "a good boy" who had never done anything wrong before. I had the video of one of them where a "good boy doggo who had never done anything wrong" ripped the backside off of a toddler.

      German Sheperds came up the next amount, but their bites tended to be small nips or scratches, if anything. My theory was that it came from the shepherding instinct, and they viewed kids as their sheep that needed to be herded and would nip them to keep them in line.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Did they follow the media guide to identifying pit bulls?

        https://realpitbullfacts.weebly.com/pit-bulls-in-the-media.html

        1. Demosthenes of Athens   3 years ago

          I will admit there is a big incentive on the plaintiff side of these cases to call the dog a Pitbull because of the stigma against them. It leads to higher jury awards as if the owner of the dog was keeping a tiger or wolf. The media in general seems to rely on the word of plaintiff attorneys entirely too often.

          Coming from the defense side though, Pitbulls were the majority of the dog bite cases I handled, and it wasn't even close. Where the breed wasn't outright identified as Pitbull (Came up as Unknown or mixed on the report) the dog ended up being part or all pit. Stereotypes exist for a reason.

          1. Utkonos   3 years ago

            Check if the β€œnice Pit Bull@ had a previous owner before landing in the home of normies.

      2. Zeb   3 years ago

        I wonder is it because pit bulls bite more often, or that when they bite they do damage?

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          Those breeds clamp on like a vise and then shake their entire muscular bodies, as opposed to biting and letting go. So yeah, they do a lot more damage.

          1. Zeb   3 years ago

            They might also bite more often. I have no idea.

            1. Demosthenes of Athens   3 years ago

              Both. I'm again going anecdotally, but Pitbulls were not only the majority of the claims, but held the number one slot in dollars per bite.

              Part of this is the stigma that they get, meaning plaintiff attorneys know that and are more likely to litigate a case involving a Pitbull. They're also right at eye level with a lot of the kids they bite, so they'd rip a lip or cheek in the bite resulting in a facial scar. On a young boy or girl, this typically is going to result in a significant amount for disfigurement, even if the damage seems superficial.

              And as sarcasmic mentions, they are more likely to bite and hold on, rather than nip and let go. I mentioned elsewhere here about a video of a Pitbull going after a toddler and getting the little boy on the backside. He did the whole bite and shake thing. The video alone had us asking what the policy limits were.

              1. markm23   3 years ago

                And a large part of it is that people not only stereotype pitties as biting dogs, but identify large biting dogs as pitties - mostly inaccurately.

                1. Nelson   3 years ago

                  Pitties aren't even large dogs. They run from about 30-60 pounds, with most being 40-50. That's smaller than the bottom end of a Lab (50-110) or Standard Poodle (50-75), for example, and much smaller than a German Shepard (65-95), Rottweilers (80-130), or Dobermans (60-100). For some reason people think they're bigger than they actually are.

                  But their jaw strength is off the charts and their "lock" makes them almost impossible to release when they latch on. That leads to much more damage when they bite. Combine that with the negatuve streotype they carry around and they often get singled out.

                  It's the opposite of what we see as a Lab rescue. Labs have such a good reputation as "family dogs" that people will label dogs as a "Lab mix" whose parents probably weren't even friends of friends of a Lab.

                  Appearance can be deceiving. We brought in a small group of 6 month old littermates that looked (and still look) 100% Lab. But they were from a pair of ethical breeders where one if their males got loose when one the other one's females was in heat. The male was a German Shepherd and the female was a Golden Retriever, both purebreds. Not a speck of Lab in either of them. But they look like purebred Labs.

                  The gap between what a dog looks like and what it is can be vast.

    6. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago (edited)

      β€œIf pit bulls are so dangerous, why do cops use German Shepherds?”

      Because cops think of civilians as sheep? …and Border Collies are too smart to work for the government.

      1. Utkonos   3 years ago

        Fun fact: It wasn’t just the Nazis who used German Shepherds as concentration camp guard dogs. The Soviets did too. (Wouldn’t surprise me if the North Koreans still do.)

        1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

          For mauling inmates, food, or both? πŸ˜‰

  29. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.businessinsider.com/list-of-twitter-accounts-reinstated-since-elon-musk-took-over-2022-11

    Musk, who has previously referred to himself as a "free speech absolutist" is wielding his power, making changes to the site on a whim.

    Here are the accounts that have been restored:

    1. Nardz   3 years ago

      Trump is back, James Lindsay is back.
      It's a good start.

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        marjorie taylor greene's personal account was banned for "Covid misinformation"

        She'll be back soon and the lefty tears will be so delicious

      2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        and they let Andrew Tate back on. Elon is amazing.

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          I don't know anything about that guy, but keep seeing his name thrown around.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      PrIvAtE cOmPaNy

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        It is only private when publicly owned by large ESG investment firms like Blackrock and Vanguard.

      2. Nelson   3 years ago

        Yes, it is. Which is why Elon can do whatever he wants regarding content moderation.

        It's good to see that Alex Jones didn't make the cut. That guy is the lowest form of life on the planet. Torturing grieving parents to make a buck? Fuck that guy.

  30. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1594437136731750401?t=LT2lGBml7mEAuQO2QOdaFA&s=19

    "Face the Nation" guest @profgalloway claims Russian intelligence manipulated Elon Musk's poll to get Trump reinstated on Twitter. If you're wondering what his evidence is -- well, it's not that kind of show

    [Link]

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      It's sitting there next to the evidence that the election was stolen.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        You mean here?

        https://hereistheevidence.com/

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          The leftist narrative says it is false. That's good enough for most democrats.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            Well, leftists and all of the evidence that passes the smell (and evidentiary) test. Including the CyberNinjas, who desperately wanted to reach a different conclusion than they did.

            Of course if you see The Gateway Pundit as fact-based journalism, James Wohl as a credible source, and Rudy Giuliani and Sydney Powell as crack lawyers, you would come to a different conclusion than reasonable people.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      The funny thing is, there was a bot dump overnight changing the results from 55-45 reinstate to 51-49 reinstate.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Inadequate fortifications

      2. perlmonger   3 years ago

        So... Russian intelligence did manipulate Elon Musk’s poll to get Trump reinstated on Twitter, they're just incompetent at it. I guess they've lost their touch since 2016. πŸ˜‰

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Yeah, not enough widespread fraud to change the outcome.

          Not that it matters. This ain't a democracy. Fuck 'em.

    3. Super Scary   3 years ago

      Russian Intelligence...or 20 sweaty dudes on 4chan. Either way.

  31. JesseAz   3 years ago

    The storied history of the special prosecutor Garland deemed as unbiased and fair. Multiple targeting of GOP politicians as public integrity unit and working with Lois Lerner regarding the IRS targeting of conservative groups.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/from-the-hague-to-obamas-irs-scandal-meet-jack-smith-the-new-special-counsel-to-investigate-trump

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      They seriously are going with special counsel 2.0 gambit?

      Years of Russia hysteria, Comey, Muller, 2 impeachments, and a failed FBI raid (fishing expedition)?

      Seriously, Trump has to be the cleanest fucking person alive to not be in prison right now.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        I'm just amazed the found 2 sets of prosecutors that had their high profile convictions overturned 9-0 at the Supreme Court having justices rebuked by the judges in both cases.

    2. Anomalous   3 years ago

      FTA: The DOJ said he will return to the U.S. from the Netherlands after he recovers from a recent bicycle accident

      Sounds presidential.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        The warning tap to make sure he does as he is told.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Interesting tidbits...

      In the case against McDonnell, Smith’s team won initially β€” a jury convicted McDonnell on 11 corruption-related felony charges. The Supreme Court later overturned the conviction in a ruling rebuking the prosecution for its β€œboundless” interpretation of the law.

      In May of 2014, Richard Pilger, then the director of the DOJ’s Election Crimes Branch, told congressional investigators that the DOJ-Lerner meeting was set up at the behest of Smith to discuss campaign finance law. More specifically, Smith wanted to discuss the IRS being β€œmore vigilant to the opportunities from more crime in the … 501(c)(4) area,” Pilger said according to Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), then chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

  32. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Democrat mega-donor’s bankrupt company owes $3,000,000,000.

    https://www.kabc.com/2022/11/21/democrat-mega-donors-bankrupt-company-owes-3000000000/

    Yet somehow SBF could be the second largest donor to the Democratic Party this election cycle. Money laundering, anyone?

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      I don't know if it was even as intentional as money laundering as that he thought he could get away with it and those donations got him invites to fancy cocktail parties whee he could show up and dress like a slob.

      I mean, don't get me wrong, it certainly could be intentional money laundering. I'm just warning that it could be even stupider than that. πŸ˜‰

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Investment in the company by Ukraine tells me it’s money laundering.

      2. Nardz   3 years ago

        Pretty sure he was just an empty vessel doing what he was told. They were likely grooming him to fill Epstein's role.

    2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      Nothing is going to happen to this guy, he's too well connected to the dems and has secrets that wont come out. He wont be Arkancided either, mums an daddums won't approve.

  33. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Firebombing cop cars will get you less time than non violent parading in a capital. And the judge will even call you remarkable.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2022/11/20/besotted-judge-calls-leftist-muslim-lawyer-who-firebombed-police-car-a-remarkable-person-n1647500

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      That's pretty fucking sick.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Kill them both.

  34. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Pitbulls are wonderful friendly, happy dogs and great with kids, until the day they aren't and they savage the family. Almost every time you read a story about a dog going nuts and killing a kid there's a pitbull involved.

    This happened last month: 2 Children Killed, Mother Hospitalized After Family Pit Bulls Attack Them Outside Tennessee Home

    I roomed with a guy who had pitbulls. They were wonderfully goofy, loving things that were a joy to play with. They slept in his bed with him a accompanied him everywhere, there was a genuine affection and loyalty towards him from the dogs too. That didn't stop one of them from taking half his scalp off a few years later though.

    Something cracks in those dogs, they're normal for years and then one day they're not.

    That isn't to say I support banning pitbulls, but breeders and owners need to step up their responsibility, quit lying about the real risks, and accept liability.

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Agree with this.

      Every time we have a dog attacking a kid (or adult) it is a good bet its a poorly trained or abused : pitbull, rot, boxer, german sheppard. That covers pretty much all of the ones that consistently come in.

      But when its the "loving, wonderful, wouldn't hurt a fly, 'well trained' family dog" that randomly snaps? 100% pitbull.

      Dont necessarily agree with banning them, but the propaganda that all breeds are equal is horseshit.

      1. Demosthenes of Athens   3 years ago

        Matches my experience as an adjuster. It's one of those things where if my kids were to come home from a visit to the animal shelter with a Pitbull and beg me to let us keep it, it would go back to the shelter, or I would take it out back and shoot it.

        They're simply not worth the risk, and I don't understand people's obsession with them.

        I had a claim where a Pitbull attacks a kid, and the dad beats the dog to death with a shovel, and then the owner of the dog is trying to tell me that I shouldn't accept liability on their behalf because their "good boy" was killed unjustly. I would counter with a "I am just your adjuster, and not your lawyer and cannot give you legal advice. With that in mind, do not ever repeat what you just said."

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          Our homeowner's policy simply does not allow several dog breeds, Pitbull first among them.

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      That isn’t to say I support banning pitbulls, but breeders and owners need to step up their responsibility, quit lying about the real risks, and accept liability.

      66% of our broodlings would murder your pitbull if attacked, return the corpse, and tell you to train your dog better because somebody else would sue the pants off of you, the other one isn't even 10 yet. What more do you want from us?

      Oh, you meant *dog* breeders and *dog* owners. Yeah, they should probably do better too.

    3. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

      Pit bulls were literally breed for dog fighting. They are breed to be aggressive and snap

    4. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      quit lying about the real risks, and accept liability.

      The law needs to require liability. It should be: whatever your dog does, you did. If your dogs bites someone, you're guilty of assault. If your dog kills someone, you're guilty of murder. Send a few of the dog owners to prison and watch the popularity of Pit Bulls plunge.

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        I don't think I know any dog of any breed that hasn't been guilty of something that would be a violent crime if a person did it.

        1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

          I'm sorry to hear you've had such a negative experience with dogs.

      2. Nelson   3 years ago (edited)

        Replace β€œdog” with β€œgun” and you have the heart of my belief about where gun legislation should be. No bans, no large-capacity stupidity, no β€œassault weapon” nonsense.

        What is done with your gun is your reponsibility. If you cannot secure your gun, that is your failure. No one else’s.

        That would definitely make the percentage of responsible, accountable, and trustworthy gun owners skyrocket.

        1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

          I agree, but since holding gun owners responsible for what is done with their gun would require gun registration, trying to enact that would ignite the hair of the SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED EVER AT ALL PERIOD crowd.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            I guess I just don't get how registration equates to infringement.

            I understand the paranoid people believe that registration will lead to confiscation, but I don't see the Constitutional argument against gun registration.

  35. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "A federal court has upheld an Iowa city's ban on pit bulls and dogs that look like pit bulls. Since 2005, Council Bluffs has banned residents from owning "any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits" of one of those breeds."

    Consider it affirmative action for other dog races.

  36. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "As to the plaintiffs' claim that the city couldn't judge a dog's breed simply by its looks, the city countered with a study showing visual identification was accurate 15 percent of the time."

    The city would be more justified to ban dogs by the looks of their owners, especially MAGA hats and NRA T-shirts.

  37. Sevo   3 years ago

    "COP27 countries strike deal to create climate fund for at-risk nations"
    [...]
    "The Biden administration has signed onto a UN-backed agreement to pay poor countries dealing with extreme weather disasters worsened by climate change.
    Biden’s special climate envoy John Kerry was part of the deal making at the UN climate summit in Egypt that established a long-discussed fund early Sunday that some call reparations from rich countries with high carbon omissions..."
    https://nypost.com/2022/11/19/cop27-countries-poised-to-make-deal-on-historic-climate-fund/

    Is this the 4th branch of the federal government?

    1. perlmonger   3 years ago

      It's the 4th branch of double-fistfucking the world economy in the ass for the benefit of the well connected... So, yeah, sounds about like "federal government" should work nicely as a synonym.

  38. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

    pit bulls are no more or less dangerous than similarly sized dogs of other breeds.

    Bullshit

    1. Demosthenes of Athens   3 years ago

      This is one of those "do you believe me or your own lying eyes" moments. I wonder how some of these statistics come to be, and I know from experience that oftentimes shelters try to hide the fact that the dogs they're adopting out are part Pitbull, because otherwise they'd never be adopted. A bite claim would come in and the breed would be "unknown" or "Mixed." The picture or video of the dog or the bite would come in and without fail, it'd be a pit.

      Insurance Actuaries don't have the benefit of getting to believe propaganda. Many insurance companies will not write a homeowner's liability policy on person who owns a Pitbull. The tens of thousands of dollars I would write in claims checks on a monthly basis to victims of pitbull bites in settlements was proof that the caution was warranted.

      1. Minadin   3 years ago

        Dogs listed as "mixed-breed" accounted for 3.3% of all human dog-bite related fatalities from 2005-2016. "Unknown" came in at 3.1%.

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Its retard level gaslighting

  39. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    'A good ruling for freedom of speech and academic freedom: Once again, a federal court has blocked Ron DeSantis' "Stop WOKE Act," which the court says would "prophylactically muzzle professors from expressing certain viewpoints."'

    Silly Ron. Muzzling professors and banning certain viewpoints is the job of the elite-collective.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      It doesn't make sense since they muzzled speech while acting as an employee, not on their own time. The ruling invents a new class of protected speech for employees but only school employees.

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Wait, I’m getting confused m. Don’t muzzles belong in the Pit Bull story?

  40. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    What Elon is doing is a revolt by entrepreneurial capital against the professional-managerial class regime that otherwise everywhere dominates (including and especially large tech companies), and that same PMC (which includes the media) is treating it as an act of lèse-majesté.

    In Burnham’s formulation, this new managerial class would supplant the former business-owning bourgeois and even capital itself as the elite ruling class.

    Most woke β€˜labor’ scandals in tech are an entitled middle-management class at odds with founders.

    Elon simply defenestrating the entire HR regime, the ESG grifters, the Skittles-hair people with mouse-clicking jobs who think themselves bold social crusaders rather than a parasitic weight around any organization’s neck, is an intolerable overturning of the social order.

    Twitter *must* fail after the purge of such a former elite. For if Twitter does not fail, if in fact it manages to emerge stronger than before, then what sort of example would this set for every other organization similarly captured by this elite? Unthinkable.

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Oddly enough, despite all the calls from the elite leftists who claim Elon has ruined twitter, its over, worst ever, and then get banned for knowingly violating TOS...

      They cant seem to get off Twitter. They are so desperate to be on it in fact, that they use dead relatives or spouses accounts (Griffin, Ethan Klein) to sign on.

      Its a sickness.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        That’s why he won’t fail.

  41. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Without approval of congress, bidens Whitehouse is implementing a quiet backdoor amnesty policy.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/biden-opens-secret-amnesty-door-swamping-border-facilities

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      That’s not the kind of β€œbackdoor” policy Joe had in mind.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Probably not the "backdoor" policy Buttplug has in mind either.

  42. mad.casual   3 years ago

    Since 2005, Council Bluffs has banned residents from owning "any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits" of one of those breeds.

    So, if you've got a litter of pit bull puppies you don't want, I know a place where you can drop them off.

    Release the hounds.

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  44. MWAocdoc   3 years ago

    As an epidemiologist I find myself frequently shaking my head sadly and in disbelief over the abuse of science in the news and in court. The first two stories above both contain misstatements about the science and downright bad science. Ninety marijuana smokers is at best a pilot study which scientists use to test the feasibility of investing in a larger more scientifically valid study. It should never be used to make policy or legal decisions. And in the case of the dog breeds, it's likely that the science was valid and was seriously abused by the courts. Especially after Rule 702 was adopted by Federal courts they should never have allowed the "Fifteen Percent Accurate" statement into evidence; and ruling against a good scientific conclusion that terriers were no more likely to bite looks like legislating from the bench to me.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Hey, if our sharpest legal minds and media pundits can't decide what science means, who can?

  45. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    Sure, the authorities have an interest in protecting people from dangerous animals. I don't think many folks would object to a rule banning city dwellers from owning a lion. But pit bulls are hardly lions.

    This is not the argumentation of a libertarian. Why is it so inherently obvious, on its face, that individuals cannot own a lion? Why does the city have the authority to ban private ownership of a lion? If you have the room and resources to properly take care of your lion and it remains on your property, what business of that is the government's?

    There may be arguments you can make about regulations involving private ownership of non-domestic animals. But just throwing out the example of owning a lion as if it's so absurd on its face is not how you make a principled libertarian argument. ENB constantly feels like she's putting on a show of being a libertarian for the cool points.

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago (edited)

      this entire outfit is mostly lefty democrat voters that want to put on the libertarian bad boy jacket to give them an edgy faΓ§ade of β€˜free thinking’, or that they are really independent, etc. But when push comes to shove, they vote D, (or L if they know their vote wont matter), and they accept D narratives and policies as the β€˜norms’.

      Edit: And the only time they line up consistently with libertarians on 'freedom' is when its an issue that happens to align perfectly with the left (sex work, weed, abortion).

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

        and they accept D narratives and policies as the β€˜norms’.

        Problem is, your team has been busy redefining reality as "a D narrative" and using your own social media bubble to create your own R narratives under the guise of "the real truth".

        1. JimboJr   3 years ago

          I see you responded to the bat signal, Bruce

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            But it's true. I am not at all surprised that you view other people recognizing reality as "adopting a D narrative".

            1. JimboJr   3 years ago

              You're probably right.

              COVID much more likely came from a wet market than the COVID lab next door (that wasnt doing GOF, that we werent funding), vaccines were completely harmless and prevented infection, vaccines prevented spreading COVID, it was a pandemic of the unvaxxed, natural immunity was considered lesser than vaxxed, inflation was definitely not a problem, inflation was definitely only a transitory problem, theres no way we could have seen inflation coming, locking down the country unnecessarily while spending tons of money didnt fuck the economy, stories that make Biden look bad are Russian misinformation...

              The 'reality' that I fail to recognize from the D narrative seems to lean heavily toward authoritarian policy that is both directly harmful and anti-liberty.

              Oh also, it keeps turning out to be incorrect, theres that too.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                John Podesta and Hillary Clinton ran a child pedophile ring out of the basement of a DC pizza shop
                COVID lockdowns were instituted not in a misguided effort to protect public health, but for the specific deliberate aim of causing Trump to lose the election
                There is no problem with gun violence in this country, anyone who brings up the disproportionate amount of gun violence in the US compared to other countries is just a left-wing gun grabber
                Biden used the FBI to target parents who did nothing more than peacefully protest at school board meetings
                There is an epidemic of school teachers "grooming" children to become gay and to normalize pedophilia
                Trump never did anything wrong ever, and if you think he did, it just means you suffer from TDS
                Jade Helm was a plot by Obama to practice the military takeover of Texas by the US Army
                Elementary school teachers all across the country are teaching critical race theory to kids
                COVID was a bioweapon synthesized by the Chinese government in retaliation for Trump's trade war against China
                There was widespread fraud in the 2020 election, so much so that the election was stolen from Trump
                Zuckerberg deliberately facilitated this fraud by donating money specifically to rig the vote in favor of Biden
                The Jan. 6 riot was principally a false-flag operation orchestrated by Antifa
                Because Trump once said "protest peacefully", it absolves him of any responsibility whatsoever for the events that transpired on Jan. 6 (which was orchestrated by Antifa anyway)
                The most sensible members of Congress right now are Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, and Matt Gaetz
                Transgender individuals are mentally ill perverts who want to molest girls in public restrooms

                Did I miss any?

                1. jdgalt1   3 years ago (edited)

                  The β€œgrooming” these days is mostly to get grade school kids to think they’re tranny and then go through irreversible surgery or drugs so they sterilize themselves and ruin their lives, while keeping it all secret from their parents lest their parents talk them out of it.

                2. JimboJr   3 years ago (edited)

                  Except the statements I pointed out as D propaganda are provably false, while you listed several that there are provably true.

                  Nice attempt at playing, but all you did was demonstrate how the MSM bubble rotted your brain.

                  Edit: Also your list is made up of the extreme strawman version of an event that no person is actually arguing for, while the list I provided were daily headlines from all the MSM.

                  1. Nelson   3 years ago

                    "Also your list is made up of the extreme strawman version of an event that no person is actually arguing for"

                    If you can see this, but not that your list has the exact same weakness, you might be an extremist.

                3. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

                  "The Jan. 6 riot was principally a false-flag operation orchestrated by Antifa
                  Because Trump once said β€œprotest peacefully”, it absolves him of any responsibility whatsoever for the events that transpired on Jan. 6 (which was orchestrated by Antifa anyway)"

                  You were mostly correct, except: Orchestrated by the FBI.

  46. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    But here's where things get iffy: 50 of the 56 marijuana smokers in the study were also tobacco smokers. So while the study is being touted as finding that marijuana is especially dangerous, it's impossible to disentangle the effects of smoking marijuana here from the effects of smoking tobacco.

    Why is it so hard to actually find a population that only smokes weed and not tobacco? I think it's worth asking the question about whether marijuana smoking also carries some of the deleterious effects of tobacco cigarettes. Not to demonize, just to have the information out there.

    1. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

      This has been done many times over the last 50 years. As with any political topic, you can find articles to support your agenda. It's pretty clear that the health effects of pot are not nearly as bad as smoking cigarettes, possibly due to the amount of cannabis consumed vs. tobacco for typical users of each substance.

    2. MT-Man   3 years ago

      Why is this the scientific article ENB questions the study versus anything related over the last two years of Covid?

    3. jdgalt1   3 years ago

      The vast majority of marijuana smokers DO smoke tobacco.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Cite?

  47. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Twitter before Elon vs Twitter after Elon

    Pretty shocking

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      The place looks more diverse without the woke white women. Who'da thunk

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Even beyond that:
        Before: "Let's all stop working so we can take a photo. Everybody into the unused conference room. Let me get my camera set up on this stand and set the timer so I can get in. No, you don't need to bring your laptop. Now, taller people in the back and everybody in the back stand up straight. The next row, lean down just a little bit, so we can get everybody's faces and everybody get lower with each row, people in the front sit down. OK, we're gonna take 3 photos and picK the best one for the post so everybody, smile and try to hold still and... Cheese! And... Cheese!..."

        After: "Hey guys, good meeting, look here, gimme a thumbs up, and smile."

      2. Utkonos   3 years ago

        That Asian dude in the glasses is clearly the Ultimate Survivor!!

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Gasp!

      Anyone surprised that when looking to cut dead weight, keep the best employees (best coders/engineers), and specifically advertise that it would involve 'hard work' the white woke women quickly transformed into Asian men.

    3. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      And reparations for Milton

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/194775987@N02/52513160373/

  48. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Lawyers for an Indianapolis doctor who provided an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim from Ohio

    It is highly unlikely that this ever happened.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      10 years old is way on the left side of the bell curve for starting menstruation in the IS.

    2. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      It absolutely did happen. The man who impregnated her is in jail awaiting trial for rape.

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        You are conflating two things.

        A man is "accused of rape" and awaiting trial (and may be innocent) but that does not equal "10 year old got an abortion"

        I'm very skeptical this abortion ever happened

        1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago (edited)

          It’s not β€œa man”. It’s THE man who impregnated the 10-year-old victim. Unless you have evidence that everyone connected with the story is lying, your skepticism is out of your ass.

      2. Sevo   3 years ago

        I'm skeptical that she had to travel in IN to have an abortion, assuming the rest is correct. WaPo offers their interpretation of Ohio law, but it's only a biased opinion:
        "What Ohio abortion law says about a 10-year-old rape victim"
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/14/what-ohio-law-says-about-10-year-old-rape-victim-abortion/

        1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

          Apparently Ohio doctors lack your touching faith in Ohio's justice system.

    3. JeremyR   3 years ago

      It happened. It was the mother's illegal alien boyfriend who raped her, so it wasn't covered much in the news

      I think the part to be skeptical about is no one in Ohio willing to do an abortion on her.

    4. Nelson   3 years ago

      "It is highly unlikely that this ever happened."

      You swallow widespread voter fraud without a jot of skepticism, but the highly-documented (as in reported to authorities) abortion of a 10-year-old rape victim who had to leave her home state for the procedure because of draconian abortion laws trips your bullshit detector? I think you need to have that thing serviced.

  49. Jerry B.   3 years ago

    β€œA former anti-abortion leader says he was leaked a draft of the Supreme Court's decision in the 2014 Hobby Lobby case concerning the Affordable Care Act's birth control mandate.”

    Speaking of leaks, is the investigation on who leaked the abortion decision going anywhere other than away?

    1. jdgalt1   3 years ago

      Never. Because the leaker's potential law career ends if he/she is discovered.

    2. Nelson   3 years ago

      Probably not. Betting odds are it was one of the three most conservative justices' staff/clerks who leaked it and the Chief Justice doesn't want the conservative majority to be undermined by the appearance of ideological partisanship.

  50. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    > There's No Constitutional Right To Own a Pit Bull

    At the same time, there is no compelling state interest to ban Pit Bulls.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Now do guns.

  51. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Yes, it would have been a million times worse under Hillary, and yes, fog of war, but that still doesn't excuse a lot of what he allowed to happen.

    When Will Trump Apologize to the Country for His Stupid COVID Lockdown Response?

    Why did Trump allow Anthony Fauci to become the unelected Health Czar of America? Within two months, this man showed he was not fit to be elected dog-catcher, let alone be allowed to fiddle with the nation’s economy. But allow it, Trump did. He deferred to Fauci and his cohort Dr. Deborah Birx. Both of them misled Americans multiple times over masks, lockdowns, and the risks to children and pushed idiocy like β€œsocial distancing” which had no basis in science or reality. It’s Trump’s fault we were all forced to stand on stickers at the grocery store.

    Trump had other advisers close to him who were trying to tell him that Fauci and Birx were batsh*t crazy, like Dr. Scott Atlas, who called for a much less radical approach to the Wuhan Flu. But Trump didn’t sideline Fauci with someone like Atlas, though he had no obligation to give Fauci a microphone. Instead, we suffered. And suffered. And suffered.

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Yes, it would have been a million times worse under Hillary, and yes, fog of war, but that still doesn’t excuse a lot of what he allowed to happen.

      When Will Trump Apologize to the Country for His Stupid COVID Lockdown Response?

      As someone unjabbed because Trump paid for the vax up front:

      COVID vaccines cause TDS, prove me wrong.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Did everyone forget he tried to downplay the whole thing?

        1. Super Scary   3 years ago

          "Did everyone forget he tried to downplay the whole thing?"

          No, but the powers-that-be hope you do.

        2. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          Like when he banned flights from China and everybody called him racist and Democrats told them to go out on the town instead?

          And then remember when they changed their mind as soon as impeachment theater failed?

        3. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Yeah, the big error of 2019-2020 was that COVID wasn't hyped enough.

    2. jdgalt1   3 years ago

      The only "lockdown" Trump ever ordered was for three weeks when the disease first appeared (including stopping flights from China). And that was sensible, because it wasn't then obvious that Covid was not an emergency.

      By the time state and local officials started ordering further lockdowns, it was obvious.

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        But he did encourage state lockdowns and let Fauci and company keep presenting themselves as the authoritative voices on the topic. He should have canned Fauci and Birx and put Atlas in charge of the federal response. Trump could have done some good there and completely failed to do so.

    3. Zeb   3 years ago

      Yeah, Trump's biggest fuckup. And it was a bad one.

    4. Utkonos   3 years ago

      I was in Walgreens today. They still have those floor stickers. No one was wearing a mask though.

  52. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>The dog owners argued ... isn't rationally related to legitimate government interests.

    this. there are not bad dogs only bad dog owners. ban bad dog owners.

    1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago (edited)

      Which would you rather be bitten byβ€”a bad Chihuahua or a good Pit Bull?

    2. The New Number Two   3 years ago (edited)

      They’re an unpredictable, lethal dog breed built like a tank that only an exceptionally experienced dog trainer can make relatively safe for children. Unlike other β€œproblematic” breeds, they aren’t even particularly loyal to their families and can turn on their owners and rip their faces off, seemingly unprovoked. It says a lot that the good dog owners typically rescue them from the bad ones who breed them to kill or to overcompensate.

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        fair enough. I've been around good ones and nobody ever bit anyone

  53. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    Five people were killed and at least 18 others wounded in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs.

    Did Joe Friday (of AR-15s make deer explode fame) go back to his village? I haven't seen him in a while.

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      davedave comes off like an angry JoeF

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Davedave isis aa oneone tricktrick ponypony.

        /I think he's another Shrike sock to due him defending Buttplug over the ban.

    2. MT-Man   3 years ago

      Joe Friday is probably really swamped being the world's best contractor

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        And MD! And rancher!
        And bullshitter.

    3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

      If my curse worked, Joe Friday died gasping for air. He worst gaslighting was always about COVID.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        If so, you certainly have a cushy spot in heaven reserved for you.

  54. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

    Well well well. Alex Jones is moving money to avoid his judgment.

    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1594729637053186049

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      So would I. So would you.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        I like the comments about hunting down the recipients and finding them guilty as well. AJDS.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        I'm not so sure Jeffy would. He's not that smart.

      3. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

        It is likely illegal.

        1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

          He has lawyers helping him do this correctly.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            "He has lawyers helping him do this correctly."

            And you know this how? Helping to hide assets from a lawful judgement doesn't seem like something your average, non-organized-crime-connected lawyer would be willing to do.

        2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

          Plus this judgement will be reduced to almost nothing on appeal.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            *eyeroll*

      4. Nelson   3 years ago

        You would commit fraud to avoid paying a judgement against you? And you think everyone else would, too?

        I don't think you are as typical a person as you think you are. Most people don't think it's normal to casually embrace criminal activity.

    2. Nobartium   3 years ago

      There's no faster way to ensure Jones never pays a dime than to vastly overcharge the amount.

      Many years ago, copyright troll kings RIAA tried to get $1 trillion (!) out of Russia, on the grounds that each distribution should be counted. They got nothing.

    3. R Mac   3 years ago

      Do you think the judgement against him was just?

  55. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>The latest tech job casualties: Carvana?

    my s.o. bought a new Honda online w/o driving it. I can't imagine

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Wait, let me guess. Bought it because it was β€œcute”.

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        no no she's smarter than all of us combined ... did research and everything ... except drive the vehicle first which is just alien to me

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          ^Tell me you didn't have sex until your wedding night without telling me you didn't have sex until your wedding night. πŸ™‚

          1. Dillinger   3 years ago

            love it.

    2. Nardz   3 years ago

      I'm pretty sure all tech companies are cutting thousands of jobs each

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        shells of real companies.

  56. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago (edited)

    So, do we have a list of all of the investigations that the House Republicans want to do?

    So far, it’s: 1. Hunter Biden’s Laptop (the new Benghazi!) 2. Fauci, and anyone who was ever in the same room as Fauci 3. The raid on Dear Leader by the FBI 4. The special counsel appointed to investigate Dear Leader

    Anything else?

    Edit: Oh, let's add:
    5. Money to Ukraine
    6. FTX and how that somehow goes back to Biden, right?

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Of the one's you listed, do you think any are legitimate?

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

        Maybe in a theoretical sense. But I do not trust Republicans to investigate these matters. They will turn it all into a circus run by clowns who just want to score points rather than to seek the truth.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          So you trust the Democrats behind them to investigate them? Fox and hen house, there, Jeffy?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            I don't trust either side to do so honestly.

            1. JimboJr   3 years ago

              which side do you trust to investigate Fauci and FTX more?

              The party that is completely in bed and/or funded by them, or the side that doesn't have massive conflict of interest?

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                How about neither?

              2. Nelson   3 years ago

                The chance of either side not having a conflict of interest is almost non-existent. You know that some of the FTX investors or management supported Republicans.

                There is no such thing as ideological money from companies. Money is a means of influence and no company would put all their eggs in one partisan basket or the other. Someone at FTX has the Republican influence.

                Investigating/prosecuting Fauci is a conservative fever dream. The guy has been working in relative obscurity, with an impressive professional record, since the 80s. Now, suddenly, he is grossly incompetent? C'mon.

                He may get kicked around by a bunch of wannabes who are pandering to the base, but Republicans will have, at best, a 5 seat majority in the House. Persecuting Fauci for not knowing everything about Covid from the beginning and blaming him for not jumping to the same baseless conclusions that the right did isn't something the Rs who won close races can afford to do. The environment won't get any better than it was earlier this month. If they won in a squeaker this year, 2024 will have them terrified.

                It's almost like people who are professional investigators, rather than professional bullshitters, would have to look into it if you want it to be done right. Crazy, I know.

        2. JimboJr   3 years ago

          which ones?

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

            The one that strikes me as the most worthy of investigation is the money going to Ukraine. I would like to know if the money going there is being well spent. So I would like to see that the expenditures are being properly audited. But I don't trust Republicans to do this, they will turn it into a clown show.

            Which ones do you think are legitimate topics of investigation?

            1. JimboJr   3 years ago

              Money going to Ukraine absolutely.

              Fauci is tied with that.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

                But what about HUNTER BIDEN'S LAPTOP?????????????

                1. JimboJr   3 years ago

                  you're right, maybe for that one we hire a hollywood producer and air the show trial on primetime

                2. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

                  Hunter's laptop is part of the story of the corruption in Ukraine.

        3. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          We all saw how professional the hearing have been the last two years.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            You mean slowly and methodically interviewing people, putting together a timeline, and identifying key players?

            You're right. I wouldn't have believed that a congressional committee was capable of being this careful, deliberate and largely hyperbole-free in something as large and complicated as the J6 investigation.

            I'm gobsmacked that it didn't devolve into a shambolic and substance-free partisan exercise like the Benghazi hearings. I still don't know how they managed it.

  57. Naime Bond   3 years ago

    '.....pit bulls consistently rank at the top of the list for attacks, and by a wide margin. (Rottweilers generally rank a distant second)...US Army won't allow them as pets on their bases......but by all means let's compare them to lions, rattlesnakes, black bears instead of e.g. domesticated animals, ..as if lions is a logical or common sense choice when debating this issue.

    1. Minadin   3 years ago

      Pit Bulls 64.8% (253 deaths)
      Rottweilers 11% (43 deaths)
      German Shepherd 3.8% (15 deaths)

      etc.

      It's disproportionate.

      1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

        Are the populations of these 3 breeds the same?

        1. The New Number Two   3 years ago

          AKC places German shepherds 4th, rottweilers 8th in popularity. Pit bulls aren't an AKC-recognized breed, so it's difficult to know. A lot of them are bred underground because they're used in dogfighting---because they're extremely muscular and tenaciously aggressive. They're also a lower-class status symbol to show how big and bad you are, kind of like a leased muscle car with illegal tints or an oversized truck.

        2. MasterThief   3 years ago

          At the dog park and in the neighborhood around us, I'd guess that 20%+ of dogs are some breed mix that most would call pitbulls. Ours is some sort of boxer mix that also looks like a pitt. From my experience, it's a very common/popular type of dog. There is a problem of bad owners and breeders making these strong dogs more dangerous.
          All that said, anecdotally I've been attacked by basically every small dog breed. I've also been attacked by several German shepherds, chows, rotties, dobermans, labs, and mutts (I've had a lot of dogs try biting me where they've had the opportunity.) I've encountered aggressive pitbulls, but never been attacked by one. In part that is due to good owners taking precautions.
          I don't think there is anything in the US Constitution ensuring a right to own pittbulls or a dangerous animal of any sort. That means it would be under the domain of the state or municipality. I would fight it if they tried instituting a ban near me, but it seems legal. My bigger question is how existing animals are treated in an area with such bans. Are all pitbulls confiscated/terminated? That's a due process issue where the individual animals would need to be proven to have caused harm.

        3. Minadin   3 years ago

          Pit Bulls make up approximately 6% of the dog population, according to the figures I've found.

          1. Utkonos   3 years ago

            Waitβ€”they’re gay?

    2. The New Number Two   3 years ago

      I've seen seasoned animal handlers hang out with adult lions, tigers, and jaguars without getting mauled to death. It's not impossible. Just like it's not impossible to be the owner of a happy-go-lucky pit bull you can trust around children and strangers.

      It just isn't likely. Yes, a typical pit bull is more comparable to a predator raised in captivity around humans than to a typical beagle or labradoodle.

  58. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

    Come on, man! Everybody wish Joe a happy birthday!

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      OK...

      Happy birthday to you,
      Happy birthday to you,
      Fuck you Joe Biden,
      Happy birthday to you.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Let’s hope it’s his last.

      1. The New Number Two   3 years ago

        He isn't a "young 80."

  59. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

    Good discussion here on how to reform the H1B visa system.

    https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1594715913508593667

    One idea is to offer a clear path to citizenship.

  60. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

    LOL. Oath Keeper attorney compares the "stack formation" that they used during the Jan. 6 riot to the Three Stooges.

    https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1594716793049841666

  61. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    Replying to
    @BillFOXLA
    and
    @FoxNews
    Seems bizarre that it’s so easy enter illegally, but so hard to get a legal work visa

    He's getting warmer to the correct answer

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Oh yes, Elon is nearly as smart as you are.

  62. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    β€’ "Lawyers for an Indianapolis doctor who provided an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim from Ohio told a judge Friday that Indiana's attorney general should not be allowed to access patient medical records for an investigation into undisclosed complaints," the Associated Press reports.

    Mmmhmm...

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      They should just say one of the complaints is from an illegal immigrant who doesn't want their name disclosed:

      β€œShe’s my daughter,” the mom, who refused to give a name, confirmed to Telemundo of the girl who would have been just 9 when she was abused and impregnated.

      β€œShe’s fine. Everything that they’re saying against him is a lie,” she insisted of Fuentes, who confessed during police interviews to raping the youngster at least twice, according to court records and officials.

      Holy Jesus what a fucked up case to hang your "Baby murder should be legal." hat on.

      1. Nelson   3 years ago

        Well, it isn't baby murder, so there's that. Unless you anti-abortionists have finally put forth a factual basis for your belief that personhood begins at conception? No? Still nothing?

        How shocking.

        As a way to show that the only victim in this whole thing (the 10 year old girl) shouldn't be victimized again by having to bear a rape baby, you couldn't ask for a better case.

        The mother is an apologist for her rapist boyfriend so though she should, she isn't interested in helping her daughter.

        The rapist is a child rapist. Best case is he manages to die slowly and painfully, but he clearly isn't interested in helping the girl.

        The anti-abortionists want to pretend that nothing justifies abortion, even this nightmare, so they definitely aren't interested in helping her.

        The only people who did right by this child were the ones who got her out of her ban-happy state and the abortion provider who actually acted in the girl's best interest.

        The Indiana AG who is trying to jam himself into the medical files of this victim on some mysterious "complaint" is not just uninterested in helping the victim, he is actively hurting her. Hint: if you won't even reveal what the complaint is, you're probably not acting in good faith.

        By trying to invade her medical records in pursuit of a political goal, he has firmly positioned himself as the second-worst person in this whole clusterfuck. And having a child rapist barely beat you for "who is worse" says a lot.

  63. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1594366873252028418?t=8kr8VvcvHNHmIf6FvISh2A&s=19

    Over on Mastodon - the obscure refuge to which liberal journalists are fleeing in fear of free speech even though they can't figure it out - they're already banning each other over the most trivial infractions.

    It's like a laboratory to study how censorship-happy rats behave.

    A "journalist" group was started by super-woke Mega Ally @adamdavidson, late of @NewYorker. He just banned the trans activist @ParkerMolloy, late of Media Matters. Her crime? Accusing @pescami of being transphobic. His crime? Posting a NYT article on the harms of puberty blockers

    These are the deeply neurotic, obviously unwell, vehemently intolerant left-liberal functionaries who - with scam "disinformation experts" and activist groups - have been controlling our discourse, dictating who can and can't be heard. The meltdown is because they lost this power

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      . puberty blockers

      100% safe and effective with no downsides

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Its why we are inundated with article after article, every day, about Elon and Twitter.

      They are absolutely seething that he ruined their digital walled garden, and are totes happy its 'failing'...despite the fact that they cant seem to log off of it or stop writing breathless articles about it. Yup, they definitely dont want any of those sour grapes.

    3. Sevo   3 years ago

      Oh! Look! nardz gives us another twitter link! If twitter dries up and blows away, will nardz also do so?
      We can hope.

  64. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    There's No Constitutional Right To Own a Pit Bull

    Look, I don't like the guy's "music" either, but I don't think he should be banned.

    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

      Yes, but do you think you should be able to own him? Hmm?

      Haha.

  65. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes was sentenced to 11 years and 3 months in prison.

    how many commissary cookies do you think she costs?

  66. Butler T. Reynolds   3 years ago

    While we're at it, can we ban all dog owners?

    I'm as libertarian as it gets, but man, I've had it with dog owners: Not keeping them properly enclosed, poop along the roads and sidewalks, barking all the time, and now they bring them along inside of stores -- and not just pet stores.

    F these people.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      "I’m as libertarian as it gets,..."

      You sure are. Why just invoke Article 35 of the constitution which states no one should have to deal with dogs!
      Fuck off.

      1. Utkonos   3 years ago

        This is getting catty.

  67. The New Number Two   3 years ago

    Pit bulls are responsible for what percentage of vicious dog attacks on children? Sorry, I'm fine with this. Hardly anyone is the dog whisperer.

  68. JasonAZ   3 years ago

    No mention of Trump back on Twitter? Shocking.

  69. CE   3 years ago

    Sure, the authorities have an interest in protecting people from dangerous animals. I don't think many folks would object to a rule banning city dwellers from owning a lion.

    Oh, sure, "common sense" lion control. Pretty soon no one will be allowed to own a house cat.

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      OMG, it was only a couple months ago I encountered the people on Twitter who want all house cats to be kept inside because they are KILLING ALL THE BIRDS!!!

      1. Utkonos   3 years ago

        They TWEETED that?? Naught Puddy Tat!

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Herr Misek thinks people should go to prison for lion.

  70. Mike Litoris   3 years ago

    "(1) Pit Bull type dogs are no more or less dangerous than other breeds of dogs"

    BS! 6% of dogs are responsible for over 50% of human deaths caused by dogs.

    1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      That's almost identical to the stats on Black murderers.

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