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Election 2024

Is Anybody but Trump Excited About the 2024 Election Beginning?

Plus: "unnecessary gynecological procedures" at ICE detention center, over-the-counter Naloxone, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 11.16.2022 9:43 AM

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Didn't we just have an election? Yes, yes we did. In fact, the outcome of some 2022 midterm contests is still unknown. Nonetheless, former President Donald Trump has announced his next presidential run, thus kicking off the 2024 election season already. <bangs head against wall repeatedly>

Why did Trump choose to announce so early? Especially given how poorly Trumpism performed in the midterms? Trump-backed, election-denying candidates lost a lot of key races, and those that didn't (like J.D. Vance in Ohio) significantly underperformed expectations.

Perhaps Trump planned the announcement to come on the heels of big midterm wins and simply couldn't be bothered to change course now. Perhaps he's just impatient for a bigger spotlightβ€”and to change the chatter away from how dismally Trumpist candidates just fared. Or maybe he thinks that announcing now will force Republicans to rally behind him and prevent them from getting too serious about Ron DeSantis or some other 2024 presidential hopeful. (In the wake of last week's election, a lot of eulogies were already being written for Trump's candidacy.) My bet is on all of the above.

Some think that Trump's timing is designed to stave off criminal investigations and prosecutions. Of course, running for president doesn't mean that you're above the law. But it could bolster Trump's claims that any legal actions against him are illegitimate and simply designed to thwart his political ambitions.

The only thing we know for certain is that this means the 2024 election season has already begunβ€”less than two weeks after the last election took place. It's absurd.

U.S. campaign seasons are now much, much longer than campaign seasons in other countries. To the extent that this takes some folks in government away from actually governing, libertarians might celebrate this as a good thing. But it also contributes to the feeling that American lives are now eternally beholden to tribal politics. There is no respite. We're forever bombarded with horse-race pronouncements and new poll results. We're forever being asked to pick a team. We're forever being told that we're in the middle of THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIMES.

It seems designed to put people in an eternally heightened state of political paranoia, in which the stakes are always furiously and dangerously high (so donate now!).

Meanwhile, media, activists, and elected officials seem to shove everything into the framework of "how will this affect the upcoming election?" instead of "will this be good for the American people?" Politicians have more incentive to pander and less to make moves that might be even a smidge unpopular. And lawmakers, governors, and others have incentive to lavish praise on their party's presumptive nomineeβ€”either out of self-preservation or because it may be bad for the party's election chances to do otherwiseβ€”even when they might disagree.

There's simply no time for Republicans or Democrats to take a clear-eyed look at their own sides, or for anyone to put politics aside to accomplish common goals.

It sucks. But here we are.

"In order to make America great and glorious again, I am tonight announcing my candidacy for President of the United States," Trump said yesterday.

His announcement speech was longβ€”so long that even Fox News cut away for a bitβ€”and lower energy than many a Trump speech. It was mostly packed with the same self-aggrandizing platitudes, fear-mongering, and cruelty we've come to expect. Trump praised China for executing drug dealers and pledged to do the same. He called for the U.S. to eliminate electronic voting machines and said America is being "poisoned" by immigrants.

("However, Trump's speech, in a tone subdued compared to his traditional campaign rallies, avoided intra-party sniping and denials of the President Biden's 2020 election victory," notes Fox News.)

The big question now with regard to Trump's candidacy is now how much of his party will fall in line behind him despite indications that he may be more toxic now than in the last election he lost. This time around, the Supreme Court has already overturned Roe v. Wade, and a lot of ordinary people seem turned off by Trump's persistent denial of the 2020 election results. "The pundits apparently assumed that Trump's once-strong standing was permanent, but while true-believer Maga folks keep buying what Trump is selling, a lot of other people who tried out what was on offer have moved on, including Rupert Murdoch," writes Rebecca Solnit.

A lot of Republicans praised Trump's announcement speech. "His speech tonight, contrasting his policies and results against the Biden Administration, charts a winning path for him in the primaries and general election," tweeted South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham. "He has my complete and total endorsement!" tweeted failed Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake.

But not all Republicans have been so publicly enthusiastic. For instance, Arkansas Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson tweeted: "Trump is correct on Biden's failures, but his self-indulging message promoting anger has not changed. It didn't work in 2022 and won't work in 2024. There are better choices."

Mick Mulvaney, the former acting White House chief of staff for Trump, pointed to the midterm results:

Trump midterms: "232 wins and 22 losses."

The losses included Senate races in PA, AZ, NV, and NH. And governors in AZ, PA, and MI.

Wins included dog catcher in Pahrump, AZ.

Not the same thing. And people know it.

— Mick Mulvaney (@MickMulvaney) November 16, 2022

"Since 2016, Republicans have done nothing but lose, and Republican voters are paying the price for it. Doubling down on losing isn't just foolish. It's a gift to the Democrats," tweeted Maryland Republican Gov Larry Hogan. And here's Jeb Bush:

WOW! What a low energy speech by the Donald.

Time for new leaders! #WEAK #SleepyDonnie

— Jeb Bush, Jr. (@JebBushJr) November 16, 2022

Before Trump's announcement, Mitt Romney called him an "aging pitcher" and said "it's time to get off the mound."

Meanwhile, President Joe Bidenβ€”who has not ruled out running again himself in 2024β€”is already pushing back.

Donald Trump failed America. pic.twitter.com/fylyocYcse

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) November 16, 2022

And so it begins…


FREE MINDS

Investigation finds medical mistreatmentβ€”but not excessive hysterectomiesβ€”in immigrant detention center. A Congressional investigation into mistreatment of women in an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention facility in Georgia found female detainees were "subjected to excessive, invasive, and often unnecessary gynecological procedures." Experts commissioned by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations found women were sent to an off-site gynecologist and obstetrician, Mahendra Amin, who subjected them to "aggressive and unethical gynecological care."Β 

The committee "did not substantiate the allegation that ICDC detainees underwent 'high rates' of unauthorized hysterectomies"β€”a claim widely reported in 2020.Β "Dr. Amin performed two hysterectomies on ICDC detainees between 2017 and 2019. According to ICE, patient records indicated that both procedures were medically necessary," states the committee's report.

You can read the full report here.


FREE MARKETS

Naloxone, a drug used to combat opioid overdose deaths, could safely be sold over-the-counter, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) says. The FDA is urging pharmaceutical companies to apply to sell naloxoneβ€”a drug that can prevent people who have overdosed on opioids from dyingβ€”as a non-prescription medicine.

In a new Federal Register noticeβ€”Safety and Effectiveness of Certain Naloxone Hydrochloride Drug Products for Nonprescription Useβ€”the FDA says its preliminary assessment found that "naloxone nasal spray up to 4 milligrams (mg), and naloxone autoinjector for intramuscular (IM) or subcutaneous (SC) use up to 2 mg, have the potential to be safe and effective for use as directed in nonprescription drug labeling without the supervision of a healthcare practitioner."

"We believe the prescription requirement for these naloxone products might not be necessary for the protection of the public health," it continues.

Of course, the way America's massive drug bureaucracy is set up, the FDA can't simply say that naloxone can now be sold over-the-counter. The agency needs a specific drugmaker to apply for over-the-counter status, along with "additional data such as product-specific data on the nonprescription user interface design, including packaging and labeling, to make a conclusive determination in this respect."


QUICK HITS

As flu, RSV and covid collide, a record 100,000 Americans missed work last month because of child-care problems, @abhabhattarai reports.

That's bigger than the height of the pandemic! https://t.co/FPAh8ZJ4g1 pic.twitter.com/byWGwMvDLb

— Fenit Nirappil (@FenitN) November 15, 2022

β€’ A state judge says Georgia's six-week abortion ban is unconstitutional.

β€’ "A Kansas City Police Department detective and three other people are facing life in prison after a federal grand jury indicted them on charges of conspiring to hold young women in a condition of involuntary sexual servitude, among other crimes," reports CBS News.

β€’ The FBI had eight agents embedded in the Proud Boys in the months leading up to the January 6 riot.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Is Anybody But Trump Excited About the 2024 Election Beginning?

    Democrats?

    1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

      (This time maybe legitimately.)

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Reason editors are definitely excited.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Yeah. We get two more years of TDS from them. Yay. πŸ˜›

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Sullum furiously typing his next 10 articles as we speak.

          1. Woodchipper for Preet Bharara @ preet.bharara@nyu.edu   3 years ago

            Sullum furiously typing his next 10 articles as we speak, while fanatically beating off while the joint between his lips shakes.

            [Edited for accuracy]

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Fair.

            2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

              And I’m Tony watched the speech while furiously pounding his ass with a gigantic dildo. Fantasizing it was Trump.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          But what about the prep they have done for Death-Santis?

        3. Nardz   3 years ago

          You were getting 2 more years of TDS from them regardless.
          Hating Trump isn't an argument, it's an identity and way of life.

          1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago (edited)

            2 is understating it. Win or lose in 2024 (or the primaries or drop out or drop dead or whatever), we’re now guaranteed nonstop TDS articles through 2028.

    3. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      Samantha Bee is probably already taking meetings at TBS to get her show back.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Awwwshit. And I just recently forgot all about her.

      2. Woodchipper for Preet Bharara @ preet.bharara@nyu.edu   3 years ago

        CNN is probably calling Jeff Zucker right now.

    4. JFree   3 years ago

      Trump's bots

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        Yes Jfree, Trump now has a robot army. Now bite my shiny metal ass.

        1. JFree   3 years ago

          Maybe they/you are just dingleberry munchers. Doesn't really matter

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Why did Trump choose to announce so early? Especially given how poorly Trumpism performed in the midterms?

    If nothing else he knows how to turn media focus on a fucking dime.

    1. Woodchipper for Preet Bharara @ preet.bharara@nyu.edu   3 years ago

      Because Good press is good press, and bad press is good press. Any kind of press, is good press.

      Trump needs to go back into Trolling mode, instead of whining mode, and everyone will get back on his side immediately.

      1. Ersatz   3 years ago (edited)

        what about no press… looks like they’ll go full Facebook cancellation on him this time around

    2. Ronbback   3 years ago

      Also according to those it is illegal to investigate a person running for the office of the president. or at least thats what a part of Trumps impeachment was about but then I don't expect equal treatment under the law

      1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        Only Democrats get that courtesy extended to them from John Edwards to Joe Biden if anything negative comes up the media and FBI will work overtime to cover it with a pillow until it stops moving and bury it out back.

        1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

          That's what's happening to FTX and SBF currently. How many lost their shirts? How many will be compensated by Biden?

          1. Nelson   3 years ago (edited)

            Wait, crypto is largely a collection of Ponzi schemes and pump-and-dump short cons that claim legitimacy because they use blockchain and are sold on exchanges with little or no transparency? And the exchanges that trade those rock-solid investments keep failing, costing investors millions? And people who believed the hype about cryptocurrency are now destitute, with no recourse or possibility of restitution?

            This is shocking! Who could have ever seen such a thing coming?

      2. Foo_dd   3 years ago

        it is never illegal to investigate, and it is only illegal to prosecute (for federal crimes) while a person is actually president. why do you think ford pardoned Nixon?

        but i guess when you can see the writing on the wall, you guys might as well start trying to polish up your trump sucking talking points in advance.

        1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

          How is your rectum from getting gang gaped by the Marxist democrat establishment.

          1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

            how are those herpes you you from sucking off trump?

        2. Nelson   3 years ago

          But Trump IS the President. Don't you remember? There was massive voter fraud, putting Joe Biden into the White House illegitimately. So Trump can't be investigated or charged because he has Presidential immunity.

          Trump says, "There is so much evidence that fraud occur ... where is it, you ask? Uuhhh, I must have left it in my other pants. But there is so much evide ... why hasn't any of it been presented in two years? Uuhhh, the printer was broken and our best witness had a wedding to go to out of town. But there is so much evi ... why hasn't anyone else found any evidence, even the biased Cyber Ninjas that did the Arizona audit? Uuhhh, those Democrat dirty tricksters are so good. Not as good as me, of course. Not that I am a cheater or a dirty trickster, but if I was I would be the best, most dirtiest trickster in the world because ...

          *Fox News cuts away from Trump to run an ad for Metamucil*

  3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    From my local newspaper, about our city police: "Department wants at least 30% of its officers to be female by 2030."

    Will this be voluntary, maybe with incentives, or by lottery?

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      By force.

    2. Anomalous   3 years ago

      Incentives to transition?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Ladycopdick?

    3. Alberto Balsalm   3 years ago

      All they (male officers) have to do is change their pronouns. Problem solved.

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        Just walk in and say β€œI’m a broad now. If you don’t hire me, I’ll sue”.

    4. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

      Trannies will be hired, since they're now considered women.

      1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        What do they do if everyone identifies as mutligendered?

    5. DarrenM   3 years ago

      I expect they'll be recruiting transsexuals, so they can have both "female" and physically strong (or stronger that otherwise) candidates.

    6. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      What city?

  4. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1592887230624067584?t=-3xJoXFvBYkyo_oMTRKGMw&s=19

    All populist movements and third parties rely on voter enthusiasm as their engine for success. The post-COVID changes in voting rules are designed to take voter enthusiasm off the table, and to make elections a measure of which side has the most robust ground organization.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Astute point. It is easy for these groups to hound and even pay voters to vote. The latter has been admitted to by various democrats.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        If you can collect a bunch of ballots from crackheads and others who would never vote on their own, because ballots have been mailed out en masse, then you don't need to fabricate quite as many at the last minute.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago (edited)

          Of course, you can always warehouse the ballots until needed using the identities of those found in the cemeteries. That’s how the Dems have historically done it in Chicago. Just prepare them ahead of time with your preferred candidate and use them as needed.

          1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

            that is part of why today the state parties are given the full voter roles with vote status for every voter. if dead people were actually voting, the party leaders your lemmings follow could easily provide proof.

            nobody who actually has any understanding about how any thing works makes the stupid claims you guys do.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              Cook County doesn't clean out voter rolls for a reason.

              1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

                lets try this again.....

                the state parties are given the full voter roles with VOTE STATUS for every voter. if dead people were actually voting, the party leaders you lemmings follow could easily provide proof.

                vote status..... whether or not a ballot was received for every registered voter in every election...... either there are not dead people voting, or every single person at every single level of the republican party is completely incompetent. a kindergartner could identify if dead people were having ballots counted with the data they are given by the elections offices.

                1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

                  What are voter roles? It sounds like LARPing

                  1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

                    are you going to grammar troll the other people who made this same typo?

            2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

              Nobody who has any understanding of anything makes the stupid claims democrats do.

              1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

                lame

            3. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Explain why election offices refuse to clean up voter roles in violation of federal law. Usually in D states.

              1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

                probably laziness. does not change the fact that the GOP has the full list including whether or not a ballot was counted for every single person on them. either dead people are not voting, or there is not a single republican party official at any level with an intelligence level greater than a turnip.

      2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

        The left has to be run out of the country. There is no living with them.

    2. DarrenM   3 years ago

      Ballot harvesting is now legal in California.

  5. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    2 Russian missiles hits in Poland

    Biden: β€˜Unlikely’ Russia Responsibleβ€œ

    1. TammiKeating   3 years ago (edited)

      I’ve made $1250 so far this week working online and I’m a full time student. I’m using an online business opportunity I heard about and I’AM made such great money. It’s really user friendly and I’m just so happy that I found out about it. Here’s what I do for more information simply.

      Open this link thank you............>>> onlinecareer1

    2. Kungpowderfinger   3 years ago (edited)

      I was following the story last night (and Reason was attempting to β€œreport” on it with AP stories that were pivoting minutes by minute).

      Apparently β€œUnnamed US intelligence officials” informed the AP that Russian missiles had hit Poland, killing a couple Poles at a factory.

      Which resulted in expected β€œit’s our obligation to defend our NATO allies blah blah blah” punditry as planned. Including brave heroic Zelenski declaring:

      β€œTo fire missiles at Nato territory! This is a Russian missile attack on collective security! This is a very significant escalation. We must act.”

      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-missile-poland-nato-ukraine-przewodow-b2225824.html?amp

      Unfortunately, Poles were able to show the missiles were Ukrainian and uploaded the evidence to the net.

      The motherfuckers want to start a war between US and Russia, and they’re not afraid to make shit up.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        But why do you love Putin?!?

      2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        Why do you interpret a Reason writer putting up a blog post about breaking news as if it were Reason doing original reporting or as if there were an attempt to mislead anyone to believe that they were doing original reporting?

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Caw caw!

          1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

            I’ll bet Mike takes people to gin bars and gets them shushed.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          The original article was debunked almost immediately. People noted the NATO radar systems in Poland went out 500km and would have seen the launch point and had good evidence of who launched it immediately. Poland admitted they had that information within an hour. AP still ran with the cries of the Ukrainian President to call NATO on Article 5 or 4.

      3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        Good on the Poles. Piano-dick wants to pull the U.S. into a hot war and the usual suspects in America are champing at the bit.

        1. Roberta   3 years ago

          What if they pull in the US against Ukraine? After all, there are still people there who know too much, can't be too careful.

      4. Nardz   3 years ago

        The Poles would've been fine lying about it, but someone took pictures of debris and uploaded them to the internet almost immediately. Once those were out there they couldn't continue putting it on Russia.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          It’s almost like The Poles don’t want a nuclear war near their border.

      5. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        All this means is that Ukraine accidentally implemented Putin's future aspirations for him.

        And always remember: None of this "fog of war" shit would be happening if Putin had not invaded Ukraine in the first place.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          Uh, it isn't an invasion, nor is it a war. It is a special military operation to de-nazify Ukraine, remember?

          Russia is trying to conquer and keep Ukrainian territory, has instituted a draft to replace their losses, and is doing everything that would be done if they were illegally invading a sovereign nation (including war crimes). But it isn't an invasion or a war.

          Vladimir Putin has said so and, as a former KGB officer, he can be trusted. Everyone knows the KGB was a gentle and caring organization that was dedicated to honesty and truth. That's just history.

  6. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    As flu, RSV and covid collide, a record 100,000 Americans missed work last month because of child-care problems,

    There are 160 million workers.

    1. Minadin   3 years ago

      Fewer people were missing work for child care problems during the work-from-home / school closure lockdowns?

      Shocker. Come on.

      "Sorry, I can't make it to my makeshift desk in the living room today because Timmy's day-care is closed."

    2. HorseConch   3 years ago

      Don't you understand how racist math is?

    3. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      Is monkeypox not a thing anymore?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        The pilot did not test well so the series was canceled.

      2. R Mac   3 years ago

        They just couldn’t get people to care about the gays.

      3. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        Apparently, asking gays not to engage in anonymous bath-house fisting orgies was not viewed as the human rights violation that our overlords thought it would be.

  7. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "Didn't we just have an election?"

    Define "election".

    1. Nemo Aequalis   3 years ago

      That's when a bunch of people vote for candidates for office, and then everybody sues each other and a judge decides who won.

    2. Minadin   3 years ago

      If you add an 's' to the front it makes more sense.

    3. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      I read it as erection.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Nah. That's what Buttplug has after reading this news. Just see his comments below.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          You'd think they just voted for "Hottest child".

        2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

          Was it an article about Cuties?

          1. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

            I thought Shrike liked little boys?

  8. Nardz   3 years ago

    If Trump is as unpopular as The Narrative says, and never-Trumpers believe: why the freak out?
    Why are leftist media outlets going full, unhinged attack on him immediately?
    If our past 2 or 3 elections have been legitimate and are evidence that Trump's appeal is at an all time low, why wouldn't they/you just sit back comfortable in the certain victory to come?

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      Why, of course. It's not like people got a test drive. Trump's stock can only go up, right?

    2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

      The freakout is largely an act.

      Leading Democrats and progressive influencers know they can manipulate tens of millions of their stupidest voters into believing Trump is literally Hitler (while being blackmailed by Russia and wanting to turn the country into The Handmaid's Tale). Behind closed doors, however, I guarantee Democrats are thrilled at the possibility of running against Trump in 2024.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        Those fakers!

      2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Trump, now, is a known quantity to the Democrats that they think they have a counter to. Hence, they believe since they beat him in 2020, they can do it again in 2024. Honestly, I think it's time to go the next step beyond Trump. Someone younger and not quite as volatile. However, this someone needs to be able to bring voter enthusiasm and a willingness to stick it to the Woke to the table.

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          Yea, I'm sure they're thrilled to go up against the guy who has nothing to lose, who increased his performance among the sentient in all demographics in 2020, and not at all worried they'll have to come up with even more than 80m votes in 2024...

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            If they start filling out the ballots now.

            Nobody, whether it's Trump, DeSantis or some nevertrumper like Ryan, is ever going to beat the Democrats ever again if mail-in/drop box fraud isn't neutralized first.

            1. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

              Why are democrats so good at mail-in fraud and republicans so bad at it?

              1. Nardz   3 years ago

                Urban base.
                A lot easier to collect ballots (not votes, mind you, but ballots) from all the apathetic people living on top of each other than it is in less densely populated areas.

                1. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

                  Republicans can't drive to the city?

                  1. Nardz   3 years ago

                    It's worth a shot.
                    Might not exactly be safe.

            2. Ersatz   3 years ago

              ^THIS!!^ this is what I've been thinking lately. No more chain of custody elections...
              election integrity is racist .. AND puts your children at risk of Chinese flu.

              1. DarrenM   3 years ago

                This will lead to proxy voting in the future. Just sign you right to vote away to someone else and forget about it.

            3. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

              If 2024 is a repeat of 2020 then it’s time to abandon elections and transfer power through alternate means.

              1. Diarrheality   3 years ago

                Soap box
                Ballot box
                Jury box
                Ammo box

                1. Nardz   3 years ago

                  Jury box should also be crossed out.
                  2020 proved that quite clearly.

                2. Nelson   3 years ago

                  Gee, another butthurt cultural conservative threatening to start shooting people. Is anyone surprised?

        2. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

          2020 was a cheat, not a beat. Trump got 12 million more votes than in 2016 and still β€˜lost’. Nothing like that ever happened before.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        TDS is largely but not completely an act. I bet 30% (caution, made-up number) of Democrats have a true, visceral fear of Trump that cannot be mitigated by reason. And by fear I mean a total, engulfing paranoia and belief that Trump represents end of life as they know it. And these people are the echo chambers and shock troops for the more manipulative DNC operatives.

        BTW, I would bet that most of the TDS Democrats overlap with the equally insane Covidiots.

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          I don't think it's fear directly of Trump, but rather searing insecurity of their worldview. Trump effectively shatters the highly artificial conceit of how things should "properly" be.
          Twitter gonna be lit.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

            And, unlike before, the bird is freed. It will be an amusing time on Twitter.

      4. crtum   3 years ago

        Think Democrats will throw money at him?

    3. Zeb   3 years ago

      Habit? Performance? Maybe some of them even believe their own bullshit. I don't know.

    4. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      Look, printing all these extra ballots is exhausting and expensive. It's unreasonable to make the Democrats do it every election cycle.

    5. Foo_dd   3 years ago

      maybe we are all just sick of him.... maybe we DON'T want to see democrats gain control of everything.... maybe we don't want to see issues like fiscal responsibility, lower taxes, stopping handouts, etc. tossed in the garbage by the 20% of the population with a cult like devotion to the idiot. (enough to get him nominated and continue to drag down the GOP, but not enough for him to win in the general.)

      maybe someone in his inner circle should have had the spine to pull him aside and say, "dude, read the room."

      1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        Oh! Save ME GOP, Save Me From The Excesses of the Progs.

        1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

          not even sure WTF that is supposed to mean. the point is that, barring a miracle where people start voting third party en mass, the best check on an out of control progressive movement is a strong GOP that can force them to moderate their agenda..... a Trump GOP is not that GOP. a Trump GOP is telling progressives, "go ahead and do whatever you want..... we will make moderates and independents hate us even more."

          1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

            How dense are you? The GOP GOP is telling progressives, β€œgo ahead and do whatever you want" and have been for 6 years. Neither McConnell nor McCarthy opened their yaps once about the shit the dems were pulling. McConnell is pledging to work with Schumer to purge MAGAs out, McConnell worked to purge Tea Partiers out. Do you actually think a strong GOP is gonna save you? The GOP that failed to get rid of OBAMAcare, by one vote? The GOP that failed to pass the balanced budget amendment by one vote?

            1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

              and you think losing more elections is the way for them to make it better? you think doubling down on stupid and insane helps stop the democrats?

              let us be clear, that i am neither a republican or a democrat, and if i had my way principled libertarians would be winning elections. i am not looking to anyone to "save me." i am describing the best case scenario for us all, barring people starting to vote for third parties en mass. (as i said.)

              if i can't have perfect, i would at least like to have sane.

  9. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/poland-nato-agree-deadly-poland-border-russian-attack-was-errant-ukrainian-missile

    Warsaw then stopped just short of any talk of Article 5, but then floated Article 4 as the basis of an emergency NATO security meeting for Wednesday, which calls for "consultations" in the event a NATO country is under threat.

    But what a difference a few hours, and a skeptical refusal to blindly jump on the war! bandwagon, makes. First, as we reported overnight, President Joe Biden explicitly said that based on preliminary information, it is "unlikely" that the rocket strike in Poland originated in Russia. Oops. This as based on the available emerging evidence it seemed clear the culprit was more likely an errant Ukrainian anti-air missile. "It’s unlikely in the minds of [sic] the trajectory that it was fired from Russia. But we’ll see," Biden had said. But this admission conveniently came well after the US president seized the 'fog of war' moment to unveil another massive $37 billion emergency aid package for Ukraine almost simultaneous to the border incident.

    Now on Wednesday, Poland and NATO officials have also done a reversal of the initial kneejerk 'blame Russia' reporting which momentarily sent the world into a frenzy of anxiety over the prospect of WWIII. Polish President Andrzej Duda has said the explosion that killed two people now appears to be an "unfortunate accident" and not an "intentional attack."

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Ukraine president was trying to get the declaration before facts came out.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      $37 billion that can be partially laundered into more Democrat campaign funds.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        See FTX. They are now saying 1 billion in assets is unaccounted for.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Does that include the 10%?

          1. Super Scary   3 years ago

            Little bit for the Big Guy?

          2. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Ends up being 15%. But the guy was meeting with the Clintons, could be the extra 5%

            1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

              If the Clintons lost any money in FTX, SBF will have his name changed to Sam Bankman-Deep-Fried.

    3. Krokko   3 years ago

      Hey... When you send 10 Javelins for every Russian tank, you can't just let the extra missiles sit around and get stale.

    4. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      anyone who believed the initial reports on this event with full credulity is a moron who should not be allowed to vote.

  10. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    "Since 2016, Republicans have done nothing but lose, and Republican voters are paying the price for it. Doubling down on losing isn't just foolish. It's a gift to the Democrats," tweeted Maryland Republican Gov Larry Hogan.

    There is no such thing as Trump fatigue!

    And two more years of Trump! Trump! Trump! will prove it.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Well, we definitely have Shrike fatigue here. How many more socks you got anyhow?

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        The pedo gets a sick sexual pleasure from being verbally abused for his stupidity here.

      2. Foo_dd   3 years ago

        is there anyone you twits don't think is shrike?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Maybe you, Fuk_dd.

          1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

            shut up, shrike

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      How surprising.

      A GOPe nevertrumper pretending it's somehow Trump's fault rather than post-Covid rules mail-in/drop box fraud.

      1. Nelson   3 years ago

        Well, widespread fraud is a delusion with zero chance of causing anything, so it being Trump's fault is infinitely more likely. Literally infinitely.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          I've noticed you just parrot blue check assertions without even fully understanding their basis, don't you Nelson.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago (edited)

            I parrot facts and the results of a large number of investigations, audits, and court cases (none of which ever presented any evidence of widespread voter fraud) that have found no basis whatsoever for the insane belief that elections have been stolen.

            Anyone with a shred of skepticism knows that the Ds didn’t cheat, the Rs just chose a self-destructive path in 2016 (and in 1973 when radical anti-abortionists were given free rein).

            If they focus on fiscal issues and stop with the culture war nonsense, they will start winning again. If they stick with unpopular social positions and legislative coercion, they will contine to lose.

            And if they keep spouting insanity, like the widespread election fraud idiocy, they will become a sad joke.

            1. rbike   3 years ago

              Debunker is back. Apparently it is your season.

    3. R Mac   3 years ago

      Turn yourself in for your crimes against children.

  11. JesseAz   3 years ago

    For a site that claims to be tired of Trump, they sure do pay a lot of attention to him. The race is 2 tears away. There are far bigger actual libertarian news events happening. Wray once again refusing to answer if the FBI was involved with J6 as confidante (see COINTELPRO and CHAOS for how FBI actually infiltrated and pushed groups to violence in the 60s). Media blaming Russia for the Poland attack trying to start a war with Ukraine demanding NATO involvement (Ukraine likely fired the missile). Etc.

    But nope. Sticking with narratives and discussions about a single person. Youre worse than the Trump cultists you claim to hate.

    1. Nardz   3 years ago

      The primary cult of personality surrounding Trump has always been his haters.

    2. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      JesseAZ, the court docs will tell the story = J6, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and FBI spies.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        And MSM will ignore the story.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The FDA is urging pharmaceutical companies to apply to sell naloxoneβ€”a drug that can prevent people who have overdosed on opioids from dyingβ€”as a non-prescription medicine.

    Somehow FDA/Big Pharma revolving door executives are making money off this.

  13. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Mask studies are back in vogue. Same problems as prior studies. Again being cited by schools.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/school-mask-mandates-return-critics-claim-pro-mask-study-plagued

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Hey, why even have Science! if we can't create results to support a partisan agenda?

  14. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    Or maybe Trump is a level ten narcissist, and will keep running for president until a more ego-gratifying opportunity comes along.

    Ideas?

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

      That's what I still don't get.

      I'd expect narcissists and egomaniacs to put a high priority on avoiding embarrassing losses. Trump already lost to the dementia patient once. Is he really so stupid he can't realize he's likely to get embarrassed again?

      1. Alberto Balsalm   3 years ago

        I would guess it's because he has millions of fanatics that will feed his narcissistic supply regardless of what he does. He can't give that up. Even when he loses again, he will have plenty of useful idiots to satisfy his supply.

      2. 5.56   3 years ago

        If Republicans are stupid enough to run Trump again, they deserve to lose.

      3. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

        For a narcissist all attention is good attention

        1. Zeb   3 years ago

          Especially one like Trump who seems to get off on conflict.

      4. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago (edited)

        I don’t think he’s capable of thinking he lost or that it’s possible he can lose. How can anyone not like Trump? A narcissist at his level is delusional.

        Eh, at least he doesn’t have dementia though.

      5. Foo_dd   3 years ago

        part of it is like Alberto says.... he gets the adoring crowds and ego strokes he wants if he wins or not.

        the other part.... i think he is just as delusional from being trapped in an echo chamber as those crowds that adore him. when you get rid of anyone who dares to tell you the truth, it gets easier to believe complete BS.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      So what if he does?
      Pat Paulson used to run for president all the time.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Because even if you believe that Trump represents all of your social and political ideals, do you think he is the best candidate to (1) get into office and (2) deliver on your ideals? Or are you just in it for the spectacle?

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          Do you think the US has a future as currently constituted?
          You think things will get better if we just vote harder and elect proper Top Men who don't upset the bureaucrats and activists?

          1. JimboJr   3 years ago

            You do realize that every time you make this argument, no one comes away with "OK trump sounds like the answer to that". Trump was in, he didn't drain the swamp, he exposed the libs for what they are, exposed the system, but ultimately worked within said system, still surrounded himself with plenty of swampy incompetents, and then lost re-election.

            If he runs again and there was zero cheating last time, he will lose. If he runs again and there was rampant cheating (or cheating definitely decided the election) he will definitely lose.

            The logical endpoint of your argument is open civil war. Which is fine if that's your argument. But in that scenario Trump is irrelevant. Unless your gambit is that cheating so obvious happens that it is what sparks said war. But that is literally the only outcome you could hope for running Trump that would further your goals. Every other scenario is an L.

            1. Nardz   3 years ago

              And you really think there is an alternative?
              We're already in a civil war.
              What path do you see?

            2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

              Do you think the GOP is part of the swamp? He ran off quite a few of them in his first midterms. He's also run off quite a few of the warmongering neocons.

        2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          If everyone thinks he is going to lose, what’s the problem?

          1. Alberto Balsalm   3 years ago

            Four more years of sleepy Joe. It's time to unhitch the wagon from this cluster(b)fuck of a person.

            1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

              Oh Save me GOP. Save me from Trump or I will be forced to vote for Biden again.

              1. Alberto Balsalm   3 years ago (edited)

                β€œThis is our most desperate hour. Help us Donald Trump. You’re our only hope.”

        3. JesseAz   3 years ago

          The results of the Trump presidency were far closer to my beliefs (absent spending/bump stock ban) than anything the Democrats have offered the last 5 decades.

          But you'd have to ignore the personality aspects of Trump to admit to that. Which I don't care about a president's personality for the most part as it doesn't effect me, the policies/implementation of such do.

          Unfortunately he had an entire state bureaucratic system against him and didn't get almost anything done due to that.

          Pulling out of wars/foreign countries (blocked)
          Abraham Accords (done)
          Tax Cuts (done)
          10% reduction for all departments (blocked)
          Reduced illegal immigration (blocked)
          First Step Act (done)

          Bad things were spending (the system loved this).

          1. Nardz   3 years ago

            Trump made plenty of mistakes.
            Fauci and Wray chief among others.
            But we need to consider the absolutely insane lengths they went to to stifle and stop him.
            And not from a "woe is Trump" perspective, but from a "what the hell were they THAT scared of" calculus.
            Whatever one might think of Trump himself, look at his opposition. Look at the lengths the Security State and WEF went to against him.
            Now ask yourselves: why?
            What was Trump's presidency getting in the way of?

            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

              I have a very liberal friend who can’t stand trump and didn’t vote for him in β€˜16. This friend also doesn’t like neocons, warmongers, or new world order types. After observing the array of slime that lined up to oppose him, dude voted T in β€˜20.

              Relax. There’s 2 more years for biden to be biden. 2 more years for things to come out that just can’t be buried forever.

              I don’t get the β€œhe can’t win” talk. Sounds like wishful thinking from the easily triggered. Even fortifications might not be enough if the D shitshow gets wacky enough.

              1. Nardz   3 years ago

                All the fortification they did in 2020 wouldn't have been enough if the courts had the integrity to actually look into the election.
                I think it's much more likely that Trump received 80m real votes than it is that Biden hit that number.
                I think it was an absolute shellacking that caused such panic they had to call a centrally ordered emergency stop in multiple states to figure out how to overcome the real numbers.

  15. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    As flu, RSV and covid collide, a record 100,000 Americans missed work last month because of child-care problems...

    Voting Dem means COVID lockdown mandates inbound.

    1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      This time they'll get it right.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A state judge says Georgia's six-week abortion ban is unconstitutional.

    Since I loathe reading about the abortion debate I'll sit here and wonder in ignorance if this is a state constitution issue or if we're still reading a right to abortion into the U.S. Constitution.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Per one judge it is the latter. After even Dobbs he claimed judges made the abortion decision, not lawmakers. Believe in Georgia.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        McBurney said in his 15-page ruling that when lawmakers signed the bill, β€œeverywhere in America, including Georgia, it was unequivocally unconstitutional for governments β€” federal, state, or local β€” to ban abortions before viability,” adding the state’s law β€œdid not become the law of Georgia when it was enacted, and it is not the law of Georgia now.”
        .
        β€œWhat does this ruling mean?” McBurney wrote. β€œMost fundamentally, it means that courts β€” not legislatures β€” define the law,” adding that β€œif the courts have spoken, clearly and directly, as to what the law is, as to what is and is not constitutional, legislatures and legislators are not at liberty to pass laws contrary to such pronouncements.”

        https://www.dailywire.com/news/judge-overturns-georgia-heartbeat-bill-banning-abortion-after-six-weeks

        1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

          And the courts have spoken with Dobbs but he chooses to ignore that like all leftists on culture war issues when they lose.

        2. DarrenM   3 years ago

          I thought a law had to at least be taken to the courts first to determine if it is constitutional or not. I was not aware that judges could declare any random law invalid or unconstitutional merely because they didn't like it.

      2. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Everyone has a Constitutional right to presumption of non-personhood and summary execution before birth. Better that 100 guilty fetuses get aborted than one innocent woman be inconvenienced.

        As with the inverse of the above, I don't believe they are universally inviolate*, but the notions that the above undergird abortion as part of The Constitution is inextricable, really, really fucked up, and maybe most disturbing, apparently, really common/popular.

        *Quite the opposite, the system predisposed to finding 100 guilty people innocent can and does find people guilty out-of-hand.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          There's a Japanese Buddhist story about how the souls of the aborted are forever piling pebbles on the banks of their version of the Styx. I hope judges responsible for so many millions of deaths encounter them before the ferryman.

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            That's interesting. How long have abortions been around? I mean voluntary ones, not those offered to villagers by invading hordes

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              It was usually prostitutes, who would induce using abortifacients like mandrake, etc. These were invariably late term and the fetus was usually well developed enough that it looked invariably human, so there was no getting around the reality of what they just did.

              Many would set up memorial tablets and arrange prayers for them as they didn't want to be haunted by tiny ghosts.

              Non-prostitutes would very rarely abort because everyone needed sons to contribute to the family's wealth, and you didn't know gender until birth. Unwanted girls were usually drowned in buckets at birth.

              It was very progressive.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      The judge's ruling hinges on the law having been against the U.S. Constitution at the time the law was passed three years ago.

      Not being a lawyer I don't know if there is any precedent for ruling that a law is unconstitutional because it was unconstitutional at the time it was passed, even though it isn't unconstitutional anymore. As a layman, it sounds like a weak argument.

      Of course, the Constitution itself didn't change. Interpretation did.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    A Kansas City Police Department detective and three other people are facing life in prison after a federal grand jury indicted them on charges of conspiring to hold young women in a condition of involuntary sexual servitude, among other crimes...

    You take that option out of the law enforcement toolkit and what do they have left?

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Without government, who would pay armed thugs to kidnap young women into involuntary sexual servitude!?!??

      Checkmate, libertarians!

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      Takes scared straight to a whole new level.

  18. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

    Whatever one thinks of Donald Trump, one thing he was was eminently clarifying. He really did pull back the curtain on American politics in a way that can't be unseen. Including, frankly, within libertarianism. Before Trump, I assumed that regime libertarians might have had some different priorities and interpretations of libertarian principle from me. But, we were all still fundamentally on the same side. Post-Trump, after seeing regime libertarians fete the military-industrial complex and the security state, pooh-pooh the existence of political prisoners, cheer on authoritarian pandemic responses and dismiss due process and the presumption of innocence? Well, like I said, you can't unsee that.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

      I'll also give him credit for proving so many neocons were faking every conservative position they ever held except being pro-Israel, pro-war, pro-national-security-state.

      1. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

        Oh, absolutely. The clarifications spanned the political spectrum. I just found the libertarian aspect particularly striking. For years, the common libertarian refrain was that their positions were principled. Watching those ostensible principles go by the wayside, to me, was stunning.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          But how many people have actual principals? How many who claim to are actually expressing emotional feelz (that might change week-to-week) or simply parrot partisan doctrine (that also changes)?

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            We all know MIke/Jeff/Sarc are the only ones here with principles. Just ask them.

            Sadly their principle is defending the left while pretending to be neutral.

          2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Bastiat said that when law and morality come into conflict, one must choose. I chose morality.

            It's the same deal with principles and tribalism, and I didn't choose tribalism.

            Those who do get really angry and antagonistic towards those who do not. JesseAz is a prime example of this.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago (edited)

              LOL. The lack of self awareness is astounding. Especially priceless after I just told people to ask you about it.

              Also, specific example please? You demanded it below. Don't be a hypocrite.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to someone who hasn't yet prove themselves to be incapable of writing a single truthful sentence.

                So please go away. I'd like to have this conversation with Bill. Not you.

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  Your comment is right after one I called you out for exactly what you just posted. Dummy.

                  Are you truly incapable of comprehending words?

                2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  "be incapable of writing a single truthful sentence."

                  Like Jesse said, your lack of self awareness is astounding.

                  Especially since your latest stupid schtick involves calling everyone liars and then running away when challenged for an example.

                  1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    Yeah, that is a hilarious behavior he has adopted.

                  2. Nelson   3 years ago

                    "calling everyone liars and then running away when challenged for an example"

                    Funny, that sounds like the "widespread voter fraud" crowd. And the "life begins at conception" crowd. And the "marriage is between one man and one woman" crowd. And any traditionalist, sanctimonious, morality-police culture war nonsense whose only justification is "that's how it's been done for years" crowd.

                    Basically, the entire cultural conservative worldview is about calling people liars when they point out the authoritarianism necessary to "save" American culture from change.

                    And when asked to show when any of those changes actually caused the catastrophic damage they claimed would result, they can't.

                    Because cultural conservatism requires government force to stop people from doing the things that cultural conservatives (but not most other people) say are bad.

                    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                      β€œwidespread voter fraud” crowd. And the β€œlife begins at conception” crowd. And the β€œmarriage is between one man and one woman” crowd."

                      Those only become the same people in BlueAnon conspiracy theories.

                      Usually propagated by the same guys who believed that Covid originated in a Chinese farmers market, that Trump was a Russian spy, that there are 93 genders, and that all white people are racist.

                    2. Nelson   3 years ago (edited)

                      β€œThose only become the same people”

                      I didn’t say they were the same people. Some may belong to more than one of those groups, some may not. But they are all lies.

                      β€œUsually propagated by the same guys who believed that Covid originated in a Chinese farmers market, that Trump was a Russian spy, that there are 93 genders, and that all white people are racist.”

                      I don’t believe any of those things are true. Most people don’t and only someone wearing partisan blinders would claim differently.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      That’s why he is hated and feared

    3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Post-Trump, after seeing regime libertarians fete the military-industrial complex and the security state, pooh-pooh the existence of political prisoners, cheer on authoritarian pandemic responses and dismiss due process and the presumption of innocence?

      I know this is the narrative, but narratives around here tend to be nothing but lies based upon taking things out of context, making up stuff that isn't there, and deliberately misinterpreting what people say. Think what you want, but don't state it as fact.

      1. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

        Shorter sarcasmic: "No, no, you must unsee it! Just forget how we reacted to that icky Trump and it'll all be fine!"

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          No, that's not what I said.

          Got any examples for your accusations?

          They're pretty serious. So I hope you have something other than "It Is Known."

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            The only cops you like being the ones that shot Ashley Babbit? How many times have you referred to her as Saint Babbit in condescension? Your support of J6 prosecutions for non violent protestors? Your only pull back was finding out they were being threatened with 20 year sentences for disrupting Congress. Otherwise you've largely supported the DoJ here. Your defense of masking as you attacked those against masking policies. Your defense of Australian covid camps as just quarantine camps despite half of those sent there not being positive for covid.

            Are those specific enough?

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              I was referring to this:

              "Post-Trump, after seeing regime libertarians fete the military-industrial complex and the security state, pooh-pooh the existence of political prisoners, cheer on authoritarian pandemic responses and dismiss due process and the presumption of innocence?"

              Sorry but I'm not going to answer the specifics of your comment. You pack so many lies into such a small space. Refuting them is just too much work.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                You really are mendacious with your lies. You can't refute them as I've provided evidence against each one of those things prior.

                It is amazing watching your self delusion. It truly is.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  The only one here with malicious intentions is you. Now please go away. I'd like Bill to answer my question.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    "The only one here with malicious intentions is you."

                    sarcasmic
                    August.12.2021 at 4:45 pm
                    I only show up to watch the clowns duke it out while tossing in this or that provocation. Bread and circuses. This is my circus.

      2. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Can you be specific and cite which lies you are referring to?

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          Everything you type with the word "you" in it.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Do you have a specific example? You demand one just above. Don't be a hypocrite.

            Wait, that has a you in it, so let me cite you:

            sarcasmic 23 mins ago
            Flag Comment Mute User
            No, that’s not what I said.
            .
            Got any examples for your accusations?

            So, can you be specific?

          2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Stop evading you lying fuck. Provide an actual example or fuck off.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The FBI had eight agents embedded in the Proud Boys in the months leading up to the January 6 riot.

    You don't fucking say.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      And now even wapo and nyt are saying Trump wasn't actually trying to sell nuclear secrets at mar a Lago.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Now they blame document hoarding on Trump's ego. That's worse than treason, right?

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Only for him. It was common for every president prior to him.

      2. rev-arthur-l-kuckland   3 years ago

        Didn't Clinton sell weapon guidance tech to the ccp?

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          And Obama gave British nuclear tech away as well. To Russia.

          https://www.thedailybeast.com/obama-administration-trade-british-nuclear-secrets-with-russia

      3. Super Scary   3 years ago

        Well it's fine now, they were able to pump out 100s of articles talking about Trump stealing nuclear secrets. An article or two meekly rolling that narrative back is a drop in the piss bucket that is the MSN talking about anything Trump related.

    2. Nemo Aequalis   3 years ago

      That's all?

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        That's just in one of the groups. What are the odds that there end up being more Feds than people who ever serve time, all while keeping people imprisoned for years without trial.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          "all while keeping people imprisoned for years without trial"

          Funny thing about the "years without trial" thing. There's a remedy for that. Have the people who smashed their way into the Capitol and their compatriots sought that remedy? Because the thing about the Constitution is that you can use it as a powerful argument for a speedy trial.

          So tell me, apologists, what were the outcomes of those hearings? Were they ever requested? Did they win? How many have asked for a 6th Amendment ruling?

          Do you even know? Or are you so married to victimhood that you don't bother with silly things like details and facts?

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

      I read the DOJ indictment. There was a lot of statements from social media and an encrypted chat. Person - 1, Person - 2, Person - 3. and an unnamed person were mentioned. That's when I knew the FBI had infiltrated and possibly led the group.

      The interesting thing is that use of electronic data can setup a scenario where fed agents are involved but need not testify because of posts on a chat. That will keep the feds off the witness stand since they are not claiming anything against the defendants. The social media posts and phone location data does the work.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Prosecution is going so badly against the Proud Boys they are apparently being forced to bring in their CI for the group to testify.

  20. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "Naloxone, a drug used to combat opioid overdose deaths, could safely be sold over-the-counter, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) says. The FDA is urging pharmaceutical companies to apply to sell naloxoneβ€”a drug that can prevent people who have overdosed on opioids from dyingβ€”as a non-prescription medicine."

    Who cares about drug overdoses? What we need is OTC nasal sprays or self-injectors that can end pregnancy. And think of what you could do with an injector, if you find a person passed out on the street and you suspect they is pregnant.

    1. Nelson   3 years ago

      "What we need is OTC nasal sprays or self-injectors that can end pregnancy."

      That sounds like a great idea. But cultural conservatives would instantly use the power of government to ban them because forcing people to act the way they want is what cultural conservatives do.

  21. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "As flu, RSV, and covid collide, a record 100,000 Americans missed work last month because of child care problems"

    OK, let's assume that the 100k figure includes every person-day missed. That means, on average, 5000 people were out each day, for a 20 day work-month. That is 0.002% of the workforce. Way to hyperbole!

    1. Anomalous   3 years ago

      "Math class sure is tough!"

    2. Nelson   3 years ago

      Since the only claim was that it was higher than certain other points in the past, why do you think the percentage of the workforce is relevant?

      If you were claiming that the total number was higher was due to a larger workforce, that would be different. But you are just trying to make a simple, factually true comparison seem false by using irrelevant figures.

      Dishonest, much?

  22. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1592879515591549078?t=ObMx2wL1-psnHogEkLfQ7A&s=19

    Remember yesterday when a Ukrainian missile hit Poland and Zelensky immediately blamed Russia and used the incident to try and pull western governments into a global nuclear war?

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Or, is everyone covering up for Putin because they are all his puppets?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Davedave would claim so.

        1. Dillinger   3 years ago

          davedave's not here, man.

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Davedave is JoeFridayJoeFriday.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Who was Pod before that.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Remember when we could see two assholes fighting outside a bar and not feel compelled to take sides?

        1. HorseConch   3 years ago (edited)

          Well, if you don’t take sides you can’t steal a bunch of money from taxpayers, and have one of the combatants give you a chunk of it for helping him out.

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          When one is Boss Hogg and the other is the fourth horseman of the apocalypse, you might be forced to choose regardless.

          1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

            Neither of them actually exist, M'Daisy! And you can still stand up for the poor, terrorized Citizens of Hazzard County and send the Duke Boys exploding arrows in any event.

            *Tips cowboy hat to hide face and continues playing guitar.*

            The Dukes of Hazzard TV Intro
            https://youtu.be/hxD0PqVlt5Q

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              When you deny the existence of Jefferson Davis "J.D." Hogg, your atheism has crossed the line.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      From the comments:

      Remember when the NordStream pipelines mysteriously ruptured?

      Remember when Nancy Peolosi's husband was attacked?

      Remember the FTX scandal?

      Weird the way these stories seem to disappear without ever getting investigated or explained.

      1. tracerv   3 years ago

        They still haven't found the Supreme Court leaker yet. Are they even looking?

      2. Nelson   3 years ago

        So your belief is that if there isn't constant media coverage of something, nothing is getting done?

        Or, more likely, you are a solipsist and believe if you aren't aware of something it doesn't exist.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago (edited)

          No, my belief is that if media coverage of something extremely newsworthy suddenly stops, there’s a coverup. There’s zero reason for those stories to disappear from the news, and we both know it.

          This constant middle-school sophistry of yours is becoming tiresome, trollboy.

          Also, learn what solipsism actually is before you start throwing the word around, you stupid fuck.

          1. Nelson   3 years ago

            Solipsism is the belief that you are the only person who exists and everyone and everything else is a figment of your imagination. Hence, if you don't see something, it doesn't exist. Dumbass.

            The media doesn't constantly report when there's nothing new to report. It's common for things to disappear from the news while the tedious and boring process of investigation moves forward.

            That's so common that it's unremarkable unless you live on the lunatic fringe where everything is a coverup or a conspiracy to hide the "truth" that only you and your intrepid band of dead-enders understands.

            As for sophistry, it's rich that someone who constantly puts forth conspiracy theories like "widespread voter fraud" would try to accuse anyone else of sophistry. When you keep asserting something that has zero substantiated evidence as if it is the god's honest truth, sophistry is the mildest way to describe it.

  23. Super Scary   3 years ago

    "In fact, the outcome of some 2022 midterm contests is still unknown."

    And they will be unknown until the moment they find enough dem ballots. Those rascally things are always hiding somewhere, so it takes some time to get them all.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Even in safe blue states, they find the ballots, in their attempt to stifle dissent.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      They had some in a trunk, but the bear ate them.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Chemjeff was right. They are a threat. Those rascally bears.

        1. HorseConch   3 years ago

          My lucky bear board has been keeping them away.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            I stay safe from trunk bears by wearing underwear on my face.

    3. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      I certainly hope the GOP loses them all after they crowned themselves over the weekend.

  24. Naime Bond   3 years ago

    '.....executing drug dealers and pledged to do the same. He called for the U.S. to eliminate electronic voting machines and said America is being "poisoned" by immigrants. ...' I'm still waiting for the fear mongering. It's two weeks and we don't know who will control the House and voters in AZ had to wait 1 to 3 hours while they found ink for printers and there are Libertarian laws in many States that eventually allow for the destruction of original ballots, even in elections decided by less than 1% of the vote.

  25. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago (edited)

    With creaky old Joe as an incumbent and a certain real recession looming (not a -.6 fake recession) there would normally be 15-18 challengers for the GOP nomination.

    With Trump grabbing the pole position the next poor sucker to jump in will become his first target,

    Let’s just say it is Chris Christie. Trump will go to work on him. Then Pence? Tears him up. Then Ronnie the Runt will eventually have to offer himself up to Trump.

    I think it is better than the WWE.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

      "his first target"

      He was already calling DeSantis names before the election.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        That was just a warning shot.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          So was your ban for posting CP here.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      So you think trump will win.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        Early on I didn't think he would win in 2016. I thought he was a joke. He pulled the greatest con job in political history.

        Fundies are the largest voting bloc in the GOP and they bought his act.

        Amazing.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        I wonder if SPB2 wants Trump to win. Is it like some bizarre battered wife syndrome?

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          He sure talks a lot about someone he perceives as a loser.

        2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

          As a cynic I enjoy the spectacle.

          To paraphrase George Carlin - as an American I get a front-row seat at the political circus shit-show.

          And Democrats are just as fucked up. Their options:

          1- renominate a near corpse
          2- go with his cackling unpopular VP
          3- open it up and piss off the progressives again by shitting on Bernie or a near Bernie.

          Whatever - IT WILL BE THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN YER LIFE again.

          1. Sevo   3 years ago

            turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a shit-pile with a raging case of TDS, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
            If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
            turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

          2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   3 years ago

            #3 - Do you think Newsom is making a move for President, or just Kamala's VP?

            If a white male Democrat tried to step over Kamala (who has a stronger claim *and* more diversity points) for the top job I'd find that pretty funny.

            1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

              It could work out for Newsom.

              Remember, Democrats didn't really want Joe. They just had to vote for the last guy standing not named Bernie.

              Bernie is the Dem problem like Trump is the GOP problem.

              1. 5.56   3 years ago

                This election shows Democrats can get away with something like Fetterman. Newsom is by far not off the table. Up to the Republicans to demonstrate how inept they really are.

              2. Sevo   3 years ago

                turd lies; it's like you or me breathing. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of shit.

              3. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                But you don’t freak out about Bernie.

                1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago (edited)

                  Bernie is unelectable. Democrats don’t even want him.

                  His policies are far worse than Trump's are. But it doesn't matter since he cannot win anything outside VT.

            2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

              AOC will be running, Millennials, Gen Z, and white spinsters will put her over the top.

    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      "certain real recession looming (not a -.6 fake recession)"

      "The midterms are over. It's okay to talk about it now."

      1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        It's not a REcession it's a PROcession and everyone gets to march.

  26. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1592900274447753216?t=vibWedHL1hsETSywCNdeVQ&s=19

    BREAKING: Chairman Xi dresses down Justin Trudeau like a junior employee for leaking their private conversation to the media. Trudeau can barely walk after

    [Video]

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      What do you mean by "like"?

    2. Super Scary   3 years ago

      I'm sure he will give Trudeau some tips on how to suppress the media to ensure that doesn't happen again.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      China already owns half of Canada. Which reminds me: if we are gonna annex the frozen north we better do it soon.

    4. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      That is a very bad sign = Xi publicly dressing down Trudeau

      Xi is unafraid of the West, and this fearlessness will breed carelessness. That carelessness will lead to miscalculation that will get us into a hot conflict with China. That is a conflict the US might well lose.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Justin's been a paid CCP operative for over 20 years. I'm sure that he's been dressed down like this before.

    5. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Justin is going to see a penalty in this month's stipend.

    6. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

      So inter-office squabble? What Would Putin Do? That is your standard, right?

  27. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    This might possibly be the longest presidential campaign cycle in history. Literally announcing candidacy and starting the campaign days after the midterms. Sheesh.

    In any case, just to piss off you Trumpistas, there's no way Trump can win. He barely won 2016, didn't even get the popular vote (which he immediately whines about and claimed fraud) AGAINST THE MOST HATED CANDIDATE IN US HISTORY!

    And then he couldn't beat the most boring candidate in history in 2020. To cap it off, his constant tirade of fraud triggered a riot at the capital and shocked his own party to the core, making them wake up.

    So then you get to the midterms and the big red Trump wave never came. The party barely got a majority in the house, did not get it in the senate, and the Trump endorsed candidates all lost except one.

    The meat of the matter is that the general election is not full of Trump Loving Republicans, hell, it's not even full of Republicans at all. Democrats have about a third of voters, Republicans only about a quarter. Everyone else, the single largest voting bloc, is "Decline to State". You can't win catering to the fringe, one must reach out to the vast middle.

    Fortunately for Republicans, the Electoral College is in their favor. It balances the vote towards a more rural demographic. But even in Red states the demographics continue to shift towards more urban districts, which tend to be Blue. This is why you're seeing battlegrounds in states like Arizona, Georgia, and even Texas.

    So 2024 is going to see either Biden or Harris on the ballot. Should be easy to beat. But not with Trump. DeSantis could do it if he would cool off his Kulturwar shtick. But I don't see Trump doing it. His tirade after his 2020 lost opened a lot of eyes that had been kept closed. He doesn't look like a Strong Man leader anymore, just a whiner.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      … there’s no way Trump can win

      Why did he deserve so many words from you?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

        Because Brandybuck is secretly in love with Trump.

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          Naah, Brandyshit is still trying to justify his rageing case of TDS, his adolescent 'daddy-figure' fantasy and total inability to focus on actions and results.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            I wonder if there is a sex fetish thing about getting fucked by somebody wearing a Trump mask. Maybe a 21st century version of the Nazi SS fantasy?

            1. Sevo   3 years ago

              Bfandyshit, turd, Sullum or Tony could probably give you dark-web links to some sites.

    2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      In any case, just to piss off you Trumpistas, there’s no way Trump can win.

      What are you talking about? He already won, and he'll win again. Except it will be stolen from him. Again.

      My fear is that the faithful, asshats like Nardz and Sevo, will start murdering people the next time he loses.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Cite?

      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Poor Sarcasmic.

        "My fear is that the faithful, asshats like Nardz and Sevo, will start murdering people the next time he loses."

        You're not afraid of that at all. You're doing what you swear you never do. Lying about and slandering other people.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          Nardz and Sevo were constantly talking about killing and civil war before I blocked them. Unless something has changed drastically,

          It's not lying and slandering if you fear something actually happening that they have actually discussed.

          I don't think you understand what lying or slandering means, based on what you posted.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            What horseshit, pretending that hyperbole constitutes threats. That's just fucking pathetic, Mike.

            1. Nelson   3 years ago

              So constantly acting like a psychopath is ... what? Normal? Acceptable? Reasonable?

              There's a word for someone who calls out behavior in those they oppose while excusing or ignoring the same behavior in those they agree with.

              You are a hypocrite.

    3. mad.casual   3 years ago

      In any case, just to piss off you Trumpistas, there’s no way Trump can win.

      Correction, "there's no way he can win *again*."

      "I'm sick and tired of people saying that we put out 11 Platinum albums that sound exactly the same. In fact, we've put out 12 Platinum albums that sound exactly the same." - Angus Young

      1. Sevo   3 years ago (edited)

        You mean brandyshit is a mendacious pile of TDS-addled shit? No!

    4. Agammamon   3 years ago

      'the most hat d candidate in US history' got, as you've pointed out multiple times, more votes than anyone else, ever.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Even the election he supposedly just lost netted him more votes than any previous president in history.

        Obama won his second term with 65,915,795 votes, Trump "lost" his second term with 74,223,975.

        But Brandyfuck insists he's "THE MOST HATED CANDIDATE IN US HISTORY!"

        Chemjeff level historical revisionism.

        1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

          Maths is hard, I know. But do try to keep up. Population... increases! Whoa!

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            The population didn't increase by 10% in eight years you stupid fuck.

    5. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      excellent breakdown of the issues that matter.

      Just stick to People magazine that's the level you operate on when it comes to politics obviously.

    6. Roberta   3 years ago

      Don't you remember Carter started running the year after the previous presidential election?

  28. Nardz   3 years ago

    Absolutely hilarious

    https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1592897042942111745?t=-yi5liOzCAqp2WORVGAuOg&s=19

    I worked hard on this.

    [Video]

    1. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

      It was funny AF. πŸ™‚

      (nice find)

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      Ha!

  29. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

    The perpetual campaign is something the news media helped to create, and now they are whining about it. One of the more annoying things Chris Wallace did on the Fox Sunday show was insist on asking a prominent politician if they intended on running for president, no matter what the pol was on there to discuss or where in the election cycle the show occurred in. He excused his behavior by saying good journalistic practice necessitated the question. It was always cringeworthy.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      "...and now they are whining about it..."

      The whining is about trump; the campaign is peripheral.

    2. Super Scary   3 years ago

      "He excused his behavior by saying good journalistic practice necessitated the question."

      If the real world was a cartoon, he would have been struck by lighting right then and there.

    3. Nardz   3 years ago

      The most annoying thing Chris Wallace did, in a career of almost nothing but annoying shit, was his 2020 debate moderating clown show

      1. JimboJr   3 years ago

        "Sir, have you denounced white supremacy yet today?!"

  30. mad.casual   3 years ago

    Hey Lizzy, Ukraine just accidentally lobbed two missiles into Poland and the US Intelligence apparatus conjectured they were Russian missiles for 24 straight hours before Poland corrected everyone.

    Remember when Trump Tweeted, "I'm meeting with the Joint Chiefs..." and you completed the thought with "He's starting WWIII!"? Maybe get your husband or some other adult in the room to help you bang your head against the wall harder.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Remember how Zelensky was frothing at hte mouth calling for Nato to initiate a nuclear war with Russia over this? Yesterday?

      yeah, I do.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        I remember Putin invading Ukraine, without which. none of this would have happened.

  31. Sevo   3 years ago (edited)

    β€œIs Anybody But Trump Excited About the 2024 Election Beginning?”

    Only those of us who focused on results and are not TDS-addled; leaves ENB out.

  32. JimboJr   3 years ago

    "As flu, RSV and covid collide, a record 100,000 Americans missed work last month because of child-care problems"

    Has the left suggested their normal solutions to child care:

    1) let the drag queens have them
    2) they probably would have been better off aborted

    1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      Wasn't today's brickbat about a drag queen?

  33. Sevo   3 years ago

    "A $20 billion deal aims to help Indonesia quit coal. Will it work?"
    [...]
    "...The United States, Japan and other countries on Tuesday pledged to mobilize $20 billion to help Indonesia, the world’s fifth-largest greenhouse gas emitter, shut down coal plants and ramp up investment in renewable energy..."
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-2420-billion-deal-aims-to-help-indonesia-quit-coal-will-it-work/ar-AA14869T

    So we have a 4th branch of the Fed Gov consisting of washed up, hypocritical pols, charged with making treaties and handing out taxpayer money?
    Where's Trump when we need him?

    1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

      OH good! The world can get along with far less Indonesians.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        I'd be happy with just one less John Kerry.

  34. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    hah ha hilarious!

    The great Trump defection: Security BLOCKS crowd from leaving Mar-a-Lago ballroom before end of Donald's hour-long speech announcing 2024 run - as billionaire ex-ally says he won't back him because GOP needs new leaders

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

    If you lose the Daily Mail!

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a shit-pile with a raging case of TDS, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      What the hell are you trying to pull, Shrike?

      Your link is to the Mail's front page which has no mention of your story.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        No surprise; turd never bothers to read what he links, or if he does, he's not competent to understand what's written there.

  35. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/15/politics/david-depape-pleads-not-guilty-federal-charges/index.html

    The man accused of attacking House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, pleaded not guilty in a San Francisco federal court Tuesday morning.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Too bad he did not wait. By next year SFC might decriminalize assault with a hammer.

      1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

        What they really need to do is get assault hammers off the street.

      2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        He's already protected by SF's sanctuary laws and wont be deported.

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      What, no suicide yet?

    3. Super Scary   3 years ago (edited)

      I bet the guards of his jail cell can’t wait for their paid time off.

  36. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/15/audit-finds-new-york-lost-11-billion-in-unemployment-fraud-in-2020/

    The $11 billion was lost in 2020, under then-Gov. Andrew Cuomo, to outright fraud and overpayments, according to DiNapoli’s audit of the mess. But he warned that despite the stunning theft in the the first year of the pandemic and lockdowns, billions more in fraud is likely to be uncovered.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Billions of dollars in government money was blatantly stolen through fraud, but somehow doing it in elections run by the same people is impossible.

  37. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Illinois is officially doomed.

    https://www.nbcchicago.com/illinois-midterm-election-2022/whats-next-after-amendment-1-passes-in-illinois-and-when-will-it-begin/2997354/

    For all intents and purposes, Amendment 1 codifies the right of workers to unionize into the state’s constitution.

    It also prohibits state government from passing β€œright-to-work” laws, which are currently in effect in at least 27 U.S. states.

  38. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Naloxone, a drug used to combat opioid overdose deaths, could safely be sold over-the-counter, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) says.

    Free men dont need permission from Bureaucrats to buy medicine.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      You also need permission to sell.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      But some men need bureaucrats to make medicine free.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago (edited)

      In any event, my store will still have to keep it locked up from all the junkies trying to shoplift it because too many people don’t know about private property rights and my City Government, like others nationwide, won’t enforce those rights.

  39. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago (edited)

    Dictator Xi has a problem.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63633109

    Crowds of residents in southern China’s industrial metropolis Guangzhou have escaped a compulsory lockdown and clashed with police, as anger at strict coronavirus curbs boiled over.

    Dramatic footage shows some tearing down Covid control barriers. Riot teams have now been deployed in the area.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      The protesters will soon have no more problems.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        Nike is already asking about a new factory.

        1. Nelson   3 years ago

          That's Apple. Nike has largely left China in favor of Vietnam, Indonesia, and Cambodia. Smart move, given the supply chain nightmares Zero Covid policies have caused for factories and shipping.

  40. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    15 paragraphs rambling on about Trump , nothing new said.

    Reason staff is fully consumed by this raging case of TDS

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      A good chunk of their articles the last 10 days have been Trump adjacent despite him being out of power for 2 years.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      It's like a masturbatory rape fantasy.

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  42. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    More energy issues. What is this, 1973 all over again?

    https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/europe-set-for-diesel-supply-scramble-as-tight-marketshare-exposed/

    Diesel is currently priced 425 per cent higher than Brent Crude, which rose 11 per cent over the same 12-month period and has been subjected to OPEC measures to tame prices.

    This was creating further tensions in the economy, and reflected both resilient demand and concerns over supply shortages.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Nobody needs 23 kinds of energy.

    2. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

      MOAR WIND!!!11!!!!!

    3. Sevo   3 years ago

      Thank you, TDS-addled shits and droolin' Joe!

  43. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Oh what fun, now we get Kamala Harris to talk in SE Asia. Will she explain how Southeast Asia is amazingly south and east of most of Asia?

    https://www.kake.com/story/47707977/harris-will-cast-us-as-better-partner-for-economic-stability-in-indo-pacific-on-asia-trip

    The vice president will attend the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Leaders summit, hold bilateral meetings with Thailand's Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha and Philippines President Ferdinand 'Bongbong' Marcos, as well as meet with other leaders, local activists and notable women to reaffirm the US' economic commitment to the Indo-Pacific and Southeast Asia.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Maybe it's a honey pot gambit.

  44. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>In fact, the outcome of some 2022 midterm contests is still unknown

    still being sculpted by the Establishment. you can say it.

    1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      I mean, the outcome is known, they're just still trying to figure out a way to sell it.

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        they don't even have to fucking sell it anymore it's just "ooooooh, they got the vote out chuckle smirk" ... hey look the Vikings beat the Bills in OT!

  45. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    More economic issues.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/37-real-estate-agents-us-143000343.html

    As of September, the number of newly listed homes had dropped 20% from the year before and homes are lingering on the market for 32 days β€” 13 more days than the year before, according to analysis from Redfin.

    But if you need yet another sign the market is in decline, just ask the people who’ve made it their business: real estate agents.

    In October, 37% of real estate agents struggled to pay rent on their offices β€” a 10% increase from the month before.

  46. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/target-organized-retail-crime-400-million-profits-113006396.html

    Target stores are getting looted, and it's taking a huge bite out of profits.

    The discount retailer told reporters on a call to discuss its third quarter earnings results that inventory shrinkage β€” or the disappearance of merchandise β€” has reduced its gross profit margin by $400 million so far in 2022 compared to 2021.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Resisting looters is racist!

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

        It's reparations. Shut up and thank them for allowing you to absolve yourself of your white supremacy!

    2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      just a right wing talking point! looting and shoplifting are at all time lows!

  47. Tiger St. Elmo   3 years ago

    Jesus Reason. Just finished reading your article about Trump's re-election bid. And even though I consider him a complete psychopath, your brand of left libertarianism is getting tedious. I get that you're never-trumpers. I am too. But for chissakes, Obama (another complete psychopath) started his re-election bid a mere 18 months in his first term. Stop acting like a libertarian magazine if you are going to echo the likes Mother Jones, Dissent, NY Times, Washpo etc. We have enough of that commie BS.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Keep it up and the Reason staff will spend another day in the Safe Space Room. That still has not been restocked with cookies and crayons from the lead up to the midterms.

    2. Sevo   3 years ago

      "...And even though I consider him a complete psychopath,..."

      One more TDS-addled shit-pile whining about what he hopes Trump might have done.
      Grow up, or eat shit and die, asshole.

  48. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

    Hmm, one has to wonder what Melania thinks of Trump’s announcement.

    Here she was, out of the public eye, relaxing at the Mar-a-Lago spa or whatever she does all day. Donald was off flying around on this private jet to rallies all over the country accompanied by his young lawyer, Alina Habba, who has started dressing and wearing her hair like Melania and Trump’s ex wives.

    Now Melania has to go back out on the campaing trail with Donald and be under continual public scrutiny. Oh, boy! Fun!

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-happy-melania-could-drag-065225676.html

      β€œ'I don’ [sic] think she has any intention of being on the campaign trail,' Bennett said.

      "In even more bad news for the former president, Trump’s daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner have 'zero interest' in helping with campaigning, in sharp contrast to their enthusiastic support last time around, said Bennett."

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        Please don't let Trump implode too soon.

        We need him in Georgia to help Herschel.

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          Don't forget, turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a shit-pile with a raging case of TDS, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit

        2. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

          That and the Kari Lake recounts... over and over till they get it right.

          1. Sevo   3 years ago

            Fuck off and die, asshole.

      2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        A lot of words and emotions about a perceived loser.

    2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      One does not have to wonder what she thinks about it because it is entirely irrelevant to any matter of importance.

  49. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Maybe the Bahamians will find out more than the US regulators.

    https://www.reuters.com/technology/ftx-collapse-being-scrutinized-by-bahamas-investigators-2022-11-13/

    The collapse of cryptocurrency exchange FTX is the subject of scrutiny from government investigators in the Bahamas, who are looking at whether any "criminal misconduct occurred," the Royal Bahamas Police said on Sunday.

  50. Dillinger   3 years ago

    of all online mags shouldn't you people want the swamp drained?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      One would think. But, alas, these are cocktail party libertarians who are really Democrats in disguise. They're here only for the weed, legal prostitution, and open borders.

      1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago (edited)

        And war with Russia and perpetual lockdowns in the name of safety

      2. Dillinger   3 years ago

        strategic leftism isn't really all that strategic

  51. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

    It's rather sad that JEB! thinks anybody gives a shit about what he thinks about anything.

    1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      I liked Jeb's turn of Trump's insult back on him. As long as Jeb stays out of politics it's all fine.

  52. Agammamon   3 years ago

    What's matter ENB, you're not excited for a other 4 years of Harris-Biden?

  53. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.ft.com/content/428c7800-c72d-4c59-9940-4376fea6e263

    Before the fall of Bankman-Fried’s cryptocurrency exchange FTX, the entrepreneur had emerged as the second-largest donor to Democrats after George Soros.

    β€œSam didn’t live up to his commitments,” said one Democratic lobbyist working in the crypto space. Bankman-Fried’s grand spending promises had been β€œmore bluster than action”, the lobbyist added

  54. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

    Before Trump's announcement, Mitt Romney called him an "aging pitcher" and said "it's time to get off the mound."

    Says long-time catcher, if you get my drift.

  55. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/15/ftx-founder-sam-bankman-fried-triggered-downfall-by-badmouthing-crypto-rival-sources/

    The 30-year-old Bankman-Fried β€” whose FTX fund filed for bankruptcy on Friday, obliterating his $16 billion personal fortune β€” had traveled to Riyadh for the annual β€œDavos in the Desert” financial summit on Oct. 25 – Oct.27, where he was angling to raise money from some of the world’s deep-pocketed investors.

    But in private meetings at the event, Bankman-Fried, known as β€œSBF” in crypto circles, raised eyebrows as he β€œtrashed” ChangPeng Zhao β€” the China-born CEO of Binance who, in addition to being one of Bankman-Fried’s early backers, is a highly respected tech founder in the region.

  56. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://cointelegraph.com/news/thousands-petition-for-congressional-investigation-of-alleged-gensler-sbf-links

    Almost 4,000 people have used a CryptoLaw petition app to demand that Congress investigate United States Securities and Exchange Commission head Gary Gensler’s β€œactions in the FTX fraud,” the organization claimed in a tweet on the morning of Nov. 14.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      "Almost 4,000 people have used a CryptoLaw petition app to demand that Congress investigate United States Securities and Exchange Commission head Gary Gensler’s β€œactions in the FTX fraud,”

      That's like asking half of Congress to investigate its bank account.

  57. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/16/euro-zone-predicted-to-have-a-deep-recession-and-a-difficult-slow-recovery.html

    Schmieding said euro zone real (adjusted for inflation) gross domestic product will contract sharply in the fourth quarter and in the first quarter of next year β€” with a cumulative drop of 1.7%. A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of contraction.

    1. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago (edited)

      A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of contraction.

      Nuh-uh! /Biden and his bootlickers

  58. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/16/ftx-shrink-says-execs-were-undersexed-denies-substance-abuse/

    Dr. George K. Lerner, a psychiatrist, reportedly served as a therapist to disgraced FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried and an adviser to many of the firm’s employees. Bankman-Fried and his ex-lover Caroline Ellison were reportedly part of a 10-person group that ran FTX and its sister cryptocurrency trading firm Alameda Research from a β€œluxury penthouse” in the Bahamas.

  59. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/thanksgiving-turkey-prices-hit-record-year-nyc-grocery-chain-ceo-warns

    "This Thanksgiving, no change, the highest prices ever for turkeys, the highest price ever for your Thanksgiving dinner," Gristedes Foods and United Refining Company CEO John Catsimatidis said on "Varney & Co." Tuesday.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      Thank you, TDS-addled shits and droolin’ Joe!

  60. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/americans-see-higher-inflation-ahead

    Americans are bracing for higher inflation in the short, medium and longer terms, a monthly survey shows. However, they see the rate of price increases moderating over time.

  61. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    https://www.newsmax.com/finance/streettalk/office-space-technology-companies/2022/11/15/id/1096544/

    Offices have a 12.5% vacancy rate, up from 9.6% in 2019 and the highest since 2011, according to CoStar Group Inc. All told, there is 212 million square feet of sublease space on the market.

    Unlike the sudden collapse of the dot-com crash in 2001, this pullback is bigger, due to the extent to which Big Tech companies went on an unabated hiring spree in the past few years, executives say.

  62. Kungpowderfinger   3 years ago

    I think ENB has Jeb! mixed up with Jeb!-junior.

    BTW, nice creepy fucking Twitter pic Jeb!-jr.

  63. Derp-o-Matic 6000   3 years ago

    Since 2016, Republicans have done nothing but lose, and Republican voters are paying the price for it. Doubling down on losing isn't just foolish. It's a gift to the Democrats," tweeted Maryland Republican Gov Larry Hogan.

    Well, since Republicans were on such a hot streak before 2016, I'm sure Hogan, Romney, JEB!, Cheney, and Kintzinger (fuck it, I don't know or care how to spell his name) will kill it in the primaries.

  64. Roberta   3 years ago (edited)

    Of course, the way America’s massive drug bureaucracy is set up, the FDA can’t simply say that naloxone can now be sold over-the-counter. The agency needs a specific drugmaker to apply for over-the-counter status, along with β€œadditional data such as product-specific data on the nonprescription user interface design, including packaging and labeling, to make a conclusive determination in this respect.”

    Doesn’t have to be a drug maker, anyone can initiate such a petition. Not only that, but FDA can unilaterally alter the terms of an existing drug license. They can convene an advisory panel that recommends such status for a generic drug, and then act on that recommendation.

  65. JimboJr   3 years ago

    https://news.yahoo.com/nbc-news-suspends-reporter-over-161836003.html

    NBC News Suspends Reporter Over Retracted Story On Paul Pelosi

    That'll teach him to do a journalism on a democrat

    1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago (edited)

      All the dude did was report what the police said. Crazy.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Pelosi will be retired in a year or two and then the truth will be allowed.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Yes, but like all the false Trump accusations, it will be 'old news' and ignored.
        'Member how Tony assured us in '18 or so that Trump would be in jail before the end of his term for crimes Tony could not specify?

    3. Nelson   3 years ago

      It's a conspiracy, I tell you! This time it really is!

      Shorter: WOLF!

  66. JimboJr   3 years ago

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/16/aoc-trashes-ticketmaster-live-nation-monopoly-after-taylor-swift-tour-tix-snafu/

    AOC trashes Ticketmaster/Live Nation β€˜monopoly’ after Taylor Swift tix snafu

    She's def not the politician we need, but might be the one we deserve. This is why the "what I want to be" question to kids now keeps getting answered "TikTok star!"

  67. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

    George Wallace--roughly the same thing as The Don--was set to be the Democrats' fair-haired boy if Teddy Chappaquiddick didn't run in 1972. Enthusiasm fizzled out about May 17. Maybe the LP can get rid of the 3 last planks that made libertarians repulsive to everyone but Germany's AfD. German Neonazis lost elections Over There about a week before the Mises Caucus Anschluss in Reno. Globalized rat-swimming?

  68. Liberty Lover   3 years ago (edited)

    I would guess Trump has his reasons for announcing this early, as it puts him under more restrictions. Some speculate it would be to see the GOP includes his America First agenda. Of course the Democrats will say it was to avoid indictments. Yet they have no real crime to indict on. If they had, Trump would have been indicted long ago.
    But right now who would excite you?
    Biden announcing, Harris Announcing? Newsom announcing? Pence announcing? Cheney announcing?
    Probably the only candidate that might stir excitement right now would be DeSantis. Yet two years is a long way off and candidates exciting people will certainly rise and fall, and maybe rise again. What matters is who is left standing at the November 2024.

    1. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

      It's to avoid indictments. All he ever does is things for himself. Any idiot can see that.

  69. raspberrydinners   3 years ago

    Some countries have rules regarding when you can announce and campaign. It's pretty great.

    I'm sure some turd will argue against it for "freeze peach" reasons but it would really be quite nice.

  70. Panhandle   3 years ago

    Whatever Trump's reason for announcing now is, speaking for myself, I am not happy about it starting already. I also don't care for primaries and caucuses starting in February 2024, a mere 15 months away. Perhaps that is driving the decision to some extent.

    I am not sure the Federal government has the authority to dictate when primaries can occur but if so, the first Tuesday in August for all State's would be wonderful. This 24/7/265 election cycle nonsense needs to end.

  71. Woodchipper for Preet Bharara @ preet.bharara@nyu.edu   3 years ago

    Another hit piece by REASON.COM. They are working hard to get democrats elected. Again.

    I hope Trump wins in 2024.

    P.S. Jeb Bush Jr. is a nobody, and his daddy, his uncle, and his grandpappy were all establishment neocon garbage.

  72. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Hey, long time no see.

  73. 5.56   3 years ago

    It's been shown that Trump endorsed candidates aren't good for Republicans and even in a highly unfavorable environment for Democrats, Republicans have demonstrated their impotence. Democrats CAN get away with things like Fetterman and they WILL get away with things like Newsom.

    The elections show that socialism has absolutely arrived inside the Overton window, and Republicans have been cucked and humiliated by WINNING Democrats. Republicans run Trump favored candidates and Trump at their own risk. I would really rather not have to vote for Trump in 2024.

  74. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

    Is that a Trump/MAGA/Alpha Male/Proud-Boy-Not-Soy-Boy thing to type in pink text? πŸ™‚

  75. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

    Amazing what you can get away with when you're allowed to manufacture votes on demand to get the outcome you want. Joe Biden even told us Democrats had created the greatest vote fraud machine in US history and our marxist media went into overdrive to explain it away.

  76. Ted AKA Teddy Salad, CIA/US Ballet Force   3 years ago

    It seems like many people would like a return to the establishment republicans turds we used to have. Not me, but others.

  77. 5.56   3 years ago

    To me it all depends on what would be the more effective antidote to establishment Democrats, who are currently running the show.

  78. 5.56   3 years ago

    If this is really true and this democracy is over, then this will sooner or later become mainstream information with all the bloody consequences. And I will be happy to live in one of the most armed states. Until then, I will vote under the assumption that democracy is intact.

    And if I die, I die. So will you. Can happen any second.

  79. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

    Of course democracy is over, it was over in 2020 even before the election. All the dem candidates were told to step down for Biden, and they did.
    I know some democrats were calling him drooling Joe and screeching he should go away and turned on a dime after the PTB spoke. Many of All these so called Trump candidates got almost 50% of the vote and then the long count breaks for dems, in almost every single race. Coincidence, bad luck or fraud? Even the GOP is in on it.

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  82. 5.56   3 years ago (edited)

    Well, telling from what assumptions seem to underly this question, maybe you are the one who thinks in stereotypes?

  83. 5.56   3 years ago

    Well, if the reasons for that are large scale fraud, then this will sooner or later create a major blowout. Under such an assumption, prepping seems reasonable.

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