Why We Should Terraform the Galaxy
One critic calls it "arrogant vandalism," but advocates say it might be a necessary form of self-preservation.

Several influential philosophers and environmentalist thinkers argue that terraforming Mars and other planets, making them suitable for humans and other Earth life, would be immoral. As we near a day when terraforming is actually possible, the arguments against it are worth reviewing and rebutting.
"Trying to change whole planets to suit our ends is arrogant vandalism," Monash University philosopher Robert Sparrow asserts in a 1999 essay, saying the desire to do so reflects "aesthetic insensitivity and hubris." Sparrow maintains that "we must show that we are capable of looking after our current home before we could claim to have any place on another."
In a special 2019 issue of the academic journal Futures, neuroscientist Lori Marino likewise claims that "our species is not capable of living on any planet sustainably." Another contributor to that issue of the journal, University of Texas anthropologist John Traphagan, agrees. "We are not capable of enacting a successful colonization of another planet," he writes. "The fact that we have destroyed our home planet is prima facie evidence of this assertion."
Saint Paul College philosopher Ian Stoner, who contributed a chapter to the 2021 book Terraforming Mars, argues that doing so would violate "a duty to conserve objects of special scientific value, a duty to preserve special wilderness areas, and a duty not to display vices characteristic of past colonial endeavors on Earth." He therefore concludes that "terraforming Mars is probably morally wrong."
What should we make of people who oppose terraforming? In his contribution to the Futures special issue, Clemson University philosopher Kelly Smith, a terraforming advocate, tartly notes that his opponents think humanity "deserves" to perish "until and unless humans can demonstrate an ability to live in harmony with our environment." He describes that position as "eco-nihilism."
Similarly, Santa Clara University applied ethicist Brian Green decries as "necrotic ideology" the argument that humanity is headed to well-merited extinction and therefore should refrain from colonizing other worlds. Green instead argues that "self-preservation should be humankind's first ethical priority," so "rapid space settlement is necessary."
Some of the risks we face, such as global nuclear war or pandemics of lethal biotech pathogens, are human-made. But others, such as asteroid strikes or the eruption of a supervolcano, are natural. Since there is no morality without human beings, Green says, the most fundamental human moral obligation is to avoid extinction. And because colonizing other worlds reduces that risk, it is morally necessary.
It is not only humans who risk annihilation by remaining stuck on Earth. An asteroid strike or a nuclear winter could destroy most, if not all, Earth life. "All life and the total ecosphere [have] an interest in avoiding catastrophic risk and pursuing a long-term future," notes Andrea Owe, an environmental philosopher at the Global Catastrophic Risk Institute, in a 2022 essay. "There is no human and nonhuman world; there is one ecosphere. Humans are part of ecosystems and the animal kingdom alike."
Establishing self-sustaining ecosystems on other worlds would protect human beings and other Earth life. Owe therefore concludes that humans, "as the only species currently capable of space expansion," have an obligation as the "morally responsible stewards of the total Earth story" to spread themselves and Earth life throughout the universe.
What if there is indigenous life on Mars? Any Martians would most likely be rare and microbial, given that various rovers have yet to definitely identify life on Mars. "If there is life on Mars," cosmologist Carl Sagan said back in 1985, "I believe we should do nothing with Mars. Mars then belongs to the Martians, even if the Martians are only microbes."
Smith calls such noninterventionism "Mariomania." He agrees that "the scientific value of Martian life clearly justifies a very strong principle of conservatism in our early interactions with [it]." But once researchers have answered most of the major scientific questions about it, do humans have a moral obligation to protect Martian microbes? In general, we do not accord terrestrial microbes any moral consideration. Still, saving samples of Martian life for later study is a prudent precaution before embarking on terraforming.
Owe's ecocentric arguments jibe with evolutionary biologist Lynn Margulis' case for "ecopoiesis." Greek for "making of a home," ecopoiesis is the artificial creation of a sustainable Earth life ecosystem on another planet. In the 1970s, Margulis and atmospheric chemist James Lovelock co-developed the controversial Gaia hypothesis. They suggested that our planet could be viewed as a complex, integrated entity that relies on feedbacks in the biosphere, atmosphere, oceans, and soil to maintain an optimal physical and chemical environment for life. Margulis and Lovelock both were advocates of reproducing that complex system on Mars. Terraforming Mars would be, according to Margulis, "exactly equivalent to 'the reproduction of Gaia by budding.'"
Terraforming Mars, or any other planet in our solar system, certainly will not be easy. In its natural state, Mars is quite inhospitable. The temperature averages minus 81 degrees Fahrenheit, ranging from minus 220 degrees at the poles in the winter to 70 degrees near the equator during the summer. The atmosphere is 95 percent carbon dioxide, and atmospheric pressure on the surface is less than 1 percent of the pressure at sea level on Earth, equivalent to being 28 miles above Earth's surface. That is well above the Armstrong limit, where atmospheric pressure is so low that the boiling point for water equals normal human body temperature. The thin atmosphere also means the surface is unprotected from harsh ultraviolet solar radiation, while the lack of a global magnetic field means Mars is constantly bombarded by cosmic rays.
There may be ways to surmount these obstacles. SpaceX founder Elon Musk has suggested nuking the Martian poles to release carbon dioxide to thicken and warm the atmosphere and flood the planet's basins with water. In a 2019 Archives of Microbiology article, two Irish biologists described how developments in synthetic biology could create organisms that would survive on Mars and begin transforming its surface and atmosphere. This year in Acta Astronautica, a team of space scientists outlined how material from the Martian moons could be used to create an artificial magnetosphere to protect the planet's surface from radiation.
"While humanity's greatest immediate challenge is to survive the next century or two," Owe argues, "our greatest achievement will be eventually greening the universe and bringing it to life." It would be immoral not to terraform it all.
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Terraform the galaxy. Might as well talk about fucking star trek here while we are at it. Who came up with this barrage of garbage space articles.
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Those are arguments against any new developments.
The better argument is that if we can't optimize earth, we sure as hell can't terraform mars.
Counterargument is that we could try things on Mars that would be suicidal on Earth.
There's always walking and chewing gum at the same time, though don't let it get loose from your mouth in Zero-G or it'll make a mess. 🙂
So... do we release the Cyanobacteria or not? With them there is O2, hence H2O, hence uranium oxide, hence natural nuclear reactors as within the African continent, hence warmth and increased mutation rates, hence Darwin, hence Robert Heinlein, Johnny Von Neumann, Richard Dawkins and Ayn Rand.
Or St Paul College mystical altruist duty, hence Econaziism, hence extinction sought in the last line of the National Socialist Program. Der So? Oder So!
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Agreed. Gonna have to call bullshit on the statement "As we near a day when terraforming is actually possible". Launching a couple nukes at the poles of Mars hardly qualifies as terraforming. Anthropocentric problem solving typically underestimates the magnitude of the problem. Same with global warming or climate change or whatever we call it these days, we overestimate our influence in causing and solving the problem.
Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the stars and subdue them; and rule over the space fish of the galaxies and over the space birds of the expanse and over every living thing that moves in the universe.
Bigot. You probably cling to your Bible and your guns.
Not that we need a God to do that or that such a God exists, M'Lady.
*Tip visor to space helmet.*
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Wait, we need to stop terraforming Earth by greening it and warming it up and reducing deaths from cold.
But we need to terraform Mars?
"This year in Acta Astronautica, a team of space scientists outlined how material from the Martian moons could be used to create an artificial magnetosphere to protect the planet's surface from radiation."
No, they didn't. They referenced another paper that speculated that we could use such materials to make pressurized domes on Mars that would be protected from solar radiation. No one is talking about restarting the Martian dynamo, nor is anyone seriously talking about terraforming the entirety of the Martian surface, just terraforming areas within pressurized domes built on the surface of Mars. Due to Mars' low gravity and lack of a magnetic field, Mars simply cannot be terraformed on a global scale. Venus is the better candidate for global terraforming, and think about how difficult that would be.
A Mars colony should be underground. A Moon colony should be underground. Funny enough a colony on Titan could be on the surface because the methane atmosphere is at Earth normal. You'd just need a jacket and oxygen to walk around outside.
On Titan you could put on a pair of Hawkman wings and fly, since the atmosphere is mostly nitrogen (with atmospheric pressure about 1.5x Earth's), and the gravity is one-seventh that of Earth.
You’d need a pretty warm jacket though — the average temperature is about 200C below zero.
Except that, as the atmosphere is the same prime ingredient as natural gas, your air supply is liable to burst into flames at inopportune times. Not that there is an opportune time for that to happen.
We could just buy the Hawkman tech from the Thanagarians.
I think I've read that Mars was once much more conducive to life, with running water, a proper atmosphere, and other things. Maybe it was a billion years ago. Wait another billion years and Mars or some other planet might be able to host life, without lifting a terraforming finger. Think of all the money we'd save.
The Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson is an interesting take on terraforming, though I'd only recommend the first volume.
C'Mon, Watermelon Boy! Put your back into that rickshaw and get some pep in your step! 🙂
I'm glad you asked. The first volume is full of interesting scientific speculation and the adventure of establishing a colony on Mars. The other two volumes don't add much interesting science and are mostly about political tensions between earth and mars.
I didn't ask, just like you never asked us to embrace Eco-Wacko-ism.
Sorry to hear that. If you're not interested in his Mars trilogy, you could try The Ministry of the Future. It's set entirely on Earth at some point in the near future. A good deal of the action takes place in Antarctica, one of my favorite settings for science fiction novels. Warning though, the story involves climate change and how we deal with, which you might find distasteful. On the positive side, it's not a trilogy.
I'm not disinterested in the books. I'm saying that anyone who wants to force humans into bicycles and rickshaws has nothing to valid say to people who want to venture into space.
Fuck Off, Watermelon Rickshaw Boy!
" I’m saying that anyone who wants to force humans into bicycles and rickshaws has nothing to valid say to people who want to venture into space. "
Because of course we all know that only people who want to force humans into cars powered by internal combustion engines, as god intended, have anything valid to say. You're not the only one who's mastered caricature. I too am a long time master of the subtle art.
People aren't forced into cars. They line up to buy them even when inflation has hit them hard. And the people who conjecture on the problems of space travel use cars getting to their labs.
Let's see you break orbital velocity, Watermelon Rickshaw Boy!
"People aren’t forced into cars. "
Many on this board have told me they are. They say there is no alternative and the only way to address their transportation needs.
"They line up to buy them even when inflation has hit them hard. "
Why? Because the choice is forced upon them. Inadequate or non existent public transport options make cars the only choice. Again, I've been told this here on this board repeatedly.
That's like Dilbert's boss learning the time value of money, and deciding to buy his postage stamps one at a time.
trueman isn't that smart, but he's got Dilbert's boss beat on smug!
The reason why Mars may have been able to support life a billion plus years ago was that it had a magnetic field. Mars has since cooled to the point that the core cannot, nor will it be able to in the future, generate a magnetic field. Without that, any atmosphere or water that we somehow "bring" to Mars will be blown off into space in short order.
Don't you love how the worshippers of the Science don't seem familiar with well understood science? I've met young earther creationists with better grasp of scientific principles than many of the idiots that like IFL or on Reddit science threads.
"nor will it be able to in the future, "
Who's talking about Mars? Other planets may move into a sweet spot over the course of a billion years and be able to support life. All the necessary elements are out there in abundance, including water. (It's also true the earth could undergo a cataclysm that would kill every living thing on the planet.) The solar system is always in motion and we can never predict what's in store. Nine body problem and all. The time scale however is so vast that we mistakenly tend to view the solar system as a kind of clockwork.
Maybe we need to "colonize" the ocean first.
Maybe. The whales and dolphins were land faring creatures once who one day decided to turn around and make a home in the foamy brine.
With laws banning energy conversion, trade and production, that would be difficult indeed...
"Several influential philosophers and environmentalist thinkers argue that terraforming Mars and other planets, making them suitable for humans and other Earth life, would be immoral."
Does morality exist in the absence of sentient (i.e. human) life? Does morality exist in the absence of all life (i.e. a completely lifeless planet)?
It is time for these influential "thinkers" to be cancelled.
No need to cancel them. If they put their money (and a firearm) where their mouth is, they'll "cancel" themselves quite nicely. 🙂
"Does morality exist in the absence of sentient (i.e. human) life?"
Karma (cause and effect) exists, according to Hindus, and karma is a concept that includes morality and goes beyond it, too.
I think I hear one hand clapping! It might just be the background noise of the universe though.
Keep in mind:
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"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
Stupid and smug about it pretty much defines this watermelon.
I was wondering how you could have a wilderness without life. Also, the age of colonialism wasn't about the detriment to the environment but about the detriment to humans already present.
Yes there were some environmental impacts, but not by a long shot were they all bad. Like the debate about invasive species currently going on in biology. Long has it been assumed that introduced species are a negative, but today many biologist are reconsidering this paradigm and are finding that most introduced species have little impact on the environment they are introduced into and even in cases where they do, it's not necessarily negative. Yes, there are some examples of very negative outcomes (rats in the South Pacific, kudzu in the Southeast US and nutria in the Mississippi basin) but these appear to be the exceptions rather than the norms. Even snakehead in the eastern US have proven to be far less detrimental than previously thought, and many states are reconsidering their management as a result.
The problem is that for many environmentalist (and journalists) they still adhere to outdated and often disproven science. They still push nihilistic theories of impeding doom. They still believe that air and water pollution is a major issue, and that it's worse in the developed world, despite all evidence that air and water pollution have drastically decreased, and that the developed world contributes the least to these problems, that the biggest contributer to these problems are underdeveloped countries and developing countries. They falsely believe that deforestation for agriculture is a massive problem in developed countries (which is exactly the opposite, as developed countries have such efficient agriculture that instead land is being returned to forests that once were farmed, and animal agriculture mostly occurs in grasslands, not forests). Again, developing countries tend to have less efficient agriculture and therefore are more likely to practice slash and burn agriculture, but even this is largely slowing down due to the wide availability of technology to make farming more efficient. Instead, the environmentalists rely on techniques that actually are worse for the environment, such as buy local and organic. Both require more land, because they produce far less, and are far less efficient. They also still require huge inputs and still produce run off and actually more erosion (because they can't work with techniques such as no till or minimal till, and therefore require tillage and fallow, both of which produce more erosion).
In conclusion, the people who scream 'follow the science's tend to be the least scientifically informed group.
"Like the debate about invasive species currently going on in biology."
What I found interesting is that homo sapiens are said to originate in Africa and spread to almost every continent on the planet from there. Perhaps the most successful invasive species there is, except maybe ants who presumably also originated in one place, not necessarily from Africa. If there's anything negative about the spread of humans, it's the loss of megafauna. Oddly, Africa, man's original home is the go to place to see such creatures. Man and beast must have spend eons living side by side in relative harmony. When man showed up in Australasian, all the megafauna except kangaroos were wiped out within a few hundred years, according to what I heard smart people say.
No,the newest science show that humans and Australian megafauna probably co-existed for thousands of years. Additionally, humans are not even close to being the only animal to evolve in one location and then spread across the continents. Elk, moose, bison, reindeer/caribou, horses etc also evolved in isolated areas before spreading across the globe, about the same time as humans began their expansion. As for the megafauna, there is much debate about how and why many went extinct, while others managed to survive. The humans caused their extinction is largely discredited today except in popular media. Additionally hominids had migrated from Africa eons before homo sapiens entered the picture, although the newest evidence is that H. sapiens migrated out of Africa tens of thousands of years earlier than originally thought. Which also argues against the humans caused the megafauna extinction. Also, evidence point to H. neanderthal and H. Sapiens co-existed for a much longer period than originally proposed, which again discredits they idea that H. sapiens caused the formers extinction. Archeology and paleontology and anthropology continues to demonstrate that H. sapiens were likely not the culprit in extinction that many have made them out to be.
"No,the newest science show that humans and Australian megafauna probably co-existed for thousands of years. "
There is debate on the issue. Many believe that hunting and fire sealed the fate of Australian megafauna. My point is that in Australia, humans are an invasive species and there is no megafauna, and in Africa where man is indigenous, there is loads of megafauna. I'm sure if man ever gets around to colonizing Antarctica, bye bye penguins, farewell whales, so long seals.
Saint Paul College philosopher Ian Stoner, who contributed a chapter to the 2021 book Terraforming Mars, argues that doing so would violate "a duty to conserve objects of special scientific value, a duty to preserve special wilderness areas, and a duty not to display vices characteristic of past colonial endeavors on Earth." He therefore concludes that "terraforming Mars is probably morally wrong."
Funny, the namesake of Stoner's college and the Jesus that Saint Paul followed strove to "love not the world, nor the things of this world." So what the Hell business do any of them have stopping us from seeking pastures greener on other worlds?
"We going to space! Get out of the way!"
--Lazarus Long, from Robert Anson Heinlein's Time Enough For Love:The Lives and Loves of Lazarus Long.
The whole discussion of terraforming other planets is entirely hypothetical. There is no point it going beyond pure philosophy or speculative fiction level thinking about it until we can actually have permanent manned presence on the Moon or Mars. Assuming that either turns out to be desirable.
There is a book by Marshall Savage (not to be confused with radio talk-show loony Michael Savage) called The Millennial Project: How to Colonize the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps.
The Millennial Project--Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millennial_Project
I would hope he could make blue-green algae taste like anything I want, but it reads like he's put tons of thought and research into it and steps have a logic to them. I hope we could implement something on these lines.
Several influential philosophers and environmentalist thinkers argue that terraforming Mars and other planets, making them suitable for humans and other Earth life, would be immoral.
Then their moral compass needs a major reset. Rocks and dust don't have morals. Unless there are other intelligent beings already living there, making it more amenable to thinking life is increasing moral utility, not decreasing it.
Some philosophers have even argued that every year we delay expanding into space is denying billions of people the right to enjoy their potential lives:
https://nickbostrom.com/astronomical/waste
ABSTRACT. With very advanced technology, a very large population of people living happy lives could be sustained in the accessible region of the universe. For every year that development of such technologies and colonization of the universe is delayed, there is therefore an opportunity cost: a potential good, lives worth living, is not being realized. Given some plausible assumptions, this cost is extremely large. However, the lesson for utilitarians is not that we ought to maximize the pace of technological development, but rather that we ought to maximize its safety, i.e. the probability that colonization will eventually occur.
"With very advanced technology, a very large population of people living happy lives could be sustained in the accessible region of the universe. "
Surely with slightly less advanced technology, a very large population of people living happy lives could be sustained right here on Earth.
10 billion people is a very small population compared to 10 trillion.
You don't need to be a tenured philosophy professor to come up with a number arbitrarily larger than 10 billion, or even 10 trillion.
"You don’t need to be a tenured philosophy professor to come up with a number arbitrarily larger than 10 billion, or even 10 trillion."
You have to be a brain-dead watermelon to post such bullshit.
Not rickshawing, I'll tell you that much.
No I think you're mistaken there. Bostrom is the philosopher I know who's behind the 'we live in a simulation' argument. There's a good chance superhumans are running a sophisticated computer simulation and we're all a part of it. So sophisticated that we don't even realize it. I really don't see the point in such idle speculation. If there's a chance that we live in a simulation run by superhumans, there's also a chance that the superhumans live in a simulation run by superduperhumans. So what? Where does any of this lead to?
No one will think it's a simulation if they're forced to bicycle and rickshaw by the likes of you Eco-Wackos.
Fuck Off, Watermelon Rickshaw Boy!
I pride myself on the verisimilitude (the quality of appearing to be true or real) of my bicycle ride enforcements.
"...There’s a good chance superhumans are running a sophisticated computer simulation and we’re all a part of it..."
There isn't a shred of evidence other than the voices in your head.
"Surely with slightly less advanced technology, a very large population of people living happy lives could be sustained right here on Earth."
You first with a lack of electricity, asshole.
Even if we terra-formed every square meter of the Milky Way galaxy, the universe would scarcely notice.
Who cares if they notice? They can even join the party if they are peaceful and honest.
Wrong? By what standard?
All you need to know about the galaxy is from Douglas Adam's Hitchiker's Guide. Beware of Vogons though, they will snow you under with bureaucratic control. My depressed robot(Marvin) has no wish to go on like this either.
In all seriousness, the rest of the galaxy had better watch out. The Humans are coming. Greedy, self centered, self anointed, narcissistic and ready to blow up anyone that gets in their way.
So watch out galaxy....here we come and we're out to get you.
As long as its confined to the galaxy, this is great. Everyone needs a little extra living space and we already live here after all! But once the terraforming extends outside the milky way, thats just galactic imperialism.
What if expanding our frontiers means barebacking with The Beast With A Million Backs? 😉
Maybe the real question is should we be looking to move onto an existing planetary system or simply building our own. Consider the idea of a Ringworld as proposed by Larry Niven. No moral questions to consider. We are building what we need from the start.
I haven't read it yet, but wouldn't it take all the resources of multiple worlds to build a Ringworld? And considering that this Ringworld of Niven's includes people addicted to "tasps" and civilizations reverting back to superstition, I'd want a very different and better version.
Let me recommend the book. It is a good story and a fascinating idea.
It is beyond reach but as close as most of the ideas for terra forming Mars.
That isn't correct. The technology to build a ringworld would be far beyond terraforming an already existing world. It would be easier to move Venus to our orbital location 180 degrees away from Earth. Creating two earths.
From a practical standpoint terraforming a world and building a ringworld are both beyond our current technology. Also, none of the planets in our solar system would seem to be good candidates for terraforming. My suggestion then is building space stations that specifically meet our needs. The biggest issue I see is gravity or rather the lack of it. Weightlessness is acceptable for short periods, but long-term people need gravity.
Controversial take: Terraforming as a plan or a policy is stupid and irrelevant.
Imagine 500 yrs. ago, Christopher Columbus theorizing about how we should rehabilitate the American Southwest to be like Rome or London or Madrid. Hell, imagine 20 yrs. ago, George W. Bush theorizing about how we should rehabilitate Iraq and Afghanistan. Hell, imagine Bush saying "We're going to Mars." and Reason laughing at him.
Even if you could terraform Detroit in less than 100 yrs., by the time you got done, the constituents would have a completely different standard of living and conception of what constituted 'habitable'.
There doesn’t appear to be a shortage of lifeless rocks in space. What’s the worst that could happen: life grows and flourishes forever in a place there supposed to be a rock for some reason?
the entire point of the article is irrelevant. a) we have no idea how to travel to another planet and b) we have no idea how to terraform a planet.
Both require cheap energy. The latter much more than the former. All else is just engineering.
"One critic calls it "arrogant vandalism,"..."
Assertions from watermelons lacking objective support =/= arguments or facts.
Vandalism against whom?
The concept of vandalism infers an owner. Absent knowledge of any alien races who could claim ownership, then the only possible owners are members of humanity..., unless you posit the existence of God and a version of God who does not want humans living anywhere but Earth.
"...unless you posit the existence of God and a version of God who does not want humans living anywhere but Earth."
This is the reason for the 'watermelon' characterization; they assume a being 'greater' than humanity with standing in the issue, absent a shred of objective evidence.
The Earth is destroyed? Are we already extinct then?
Why do so many people in philosophy seem to hate humanity?
According to AOC we’re already doomed.
It's a special form of nihilism, that seems to dominate progressivism. Humans tend to be like any animal (especially mammals) in that we will sacrifice for others only until it becomes too costly to ourselves (most of the time). Basically, humans and every other mammal is ultimately self centered when it comes to survival. It's evolutionary. Collectivists view this as a hindrance to enacting some utopia where needs and wants have been eliminated. It will happen if we just sacrificed more for the greater good and stop worrying about our own survival. Since we didn't evolve to accept that we therefore don't deserve to live. Or at least not the majority of us. As much as they deny it, this is actually very Biblical in nature, that sin (greed and self centered survival instincts) dooms us to death, that only through sacrifice can we redeem ourselves, and any that deny that sacrifice have earned damnation. Of course most would state they're far to sophisticated for such concepts, but the difference between them and me, is that I don't deny my faith.
“that only through sacrifice can we redeem ourselves,”
Incorrect, the bible tells us we can only redeem ourselves by forgiving those who trespass against us, and begging forgiveness for our own.
And the core ethical injunction of the bible is not self sacrifice, but do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It’s not just Christianity, either, you’ll find similar formulations in every religion and ethical system, including libertarianism.
“I don’t deny my faith.”
You also don’t miss a chance to denigrate and caricature the faith of others. Not a good look, soldiermedic76.
“It’s evolutionary.”
It’s claptrap is what it is.
I tend to think Venus is a better candidate for colonization that Mars. People would have to live in giant balloons 50 miles above the surface, but it would still be more livable. We should start terraforming Venus immediately. It will take time. I'm sure environmentalists would object, though.
Expanding outward is necessary to preserve life -- but "terraforming the galaxy" sounds grandiose to the extreme.
Let's take one bite and one pace at a time. We can barely get to the Moon right now.