Blake Masters' Defeat Should End the GOP's Fealty to Trump and the Big Lie
The Arizona Senate candidate who said "libertarianism doesn't work" is expected to come up short.

Republican challenger Blake Masters, a darling of the new right who said "libertarianism doesn't work" and vowed to wield government power in all sorts of illiberal ways, will not be the next U.S. senator from Arizona. While the votes are still being counted, incumbent Democrat Mark Kelly has an insurmountable lead, according to Cook Political Report.
Masters' defeat caps off a humiliating election week for the GOP, which is projected to capture the House of Representatives by many fewer seats than conservatives expected; Republicans may not take the Senate at all. The GOP needs to win Nevada—which may or may not happen—and the runoff in Georgia, a tall order.
The red wave made landfall in Florida; everywhere else, it was more like a trickle.
As Republicans process what went wrong and try to understand precisely how they could have fared this badly against a deeply unpopular president and a horrible economy, they should consider that Democrats' pitch to voters—Trump and Trumpist candidates are existential threats to democracy—may have actually worked. Republican candidates who pledged fealty to Trump and made his backward-looking lies about a stolen election a centerpiece of their own campaigns badly underperformed on Election Night.
No one better encapsulates this trend than Masters, who famously released a campaign ad last year in which his opening pitch to voters was: "I think Trump won in 2020."
Blake Masters, a Republican US Senate candidate from Arizona, released a campaign ad saying Donald Trump won the 2020 election.
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Trump personally pressed Masters to lean into election fraud claims—telling him "you've got to go stronger on that one thing"—and Masters dutifully obeyed. This pitch was not persuasive to voters. (Kari Lake, the Republican candidate in the Arizona gubernatorial race who made election denialism a centerpiece of her campaign, is also trailing her Democratic opponent, though this outcome is less certain at present.)
Elsewhere, hardcore Trump loyalists suffered similarly embarrassing losses. Doug Mastriano, the Republican candidate for governor in Pennsylvania and an attendee at the January 6 protests in front of the U.S. Capitol, lost decisively. So did Pennsylvania Senate candidate Mehmet Oz. Georgia Senate candidate Hershel Walker also failed to prevail, though could still win the runoff. Neither Oz nor Walker had any political experience nor were they well-liked by any contingent within the Republican Party's base; they got the nominations because they were hand-picked by Trump.
Meanwhile, Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican who refused to give credence to Trump's election lies, was easily re-elected—despite Trump's best efforts to sabotage him. (It is also somewhat telling that Adam Laxalt, the Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in Nevada who played a prominent role in Trump's election lawsuits, but has mostly stopped talking about election denialism since deciding to run for Senate, is thus far faring better than Masters, Oz, and Walker.)
Trump's support is undoubtedly a boon within Republican primary elections; the MAGA base is vocal, active, and numerous. But by forcing Republicans to humor his delusions about the 2020 election, he ultimately cripples his candidates—general election voters clearly dislike this fixation. The GOP needs to attract moderates, independents, and centrist Democrats who are worried about the country's direction, inflation, gas prices, the failing education system, and rising crime in some cities. These voters are winnable, but there is plenty of evidence that Trumpist election denialism is a non-starter for them.
If believing that Trump won the 2020 Election, as Masters does, is a litmus test to secure Republican nominations, then Republicans may find that the red wave is a perpetual mirage. The GOP needs candidates who stand for limited government—who, unlike Masters, know that libertarianism does work—and are unafraid to finally show Trump the door.
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"the Big Lie"
It's getting very tiresome that the media is doing their damnest to replace the idea of holocaust denial with election denial.
They're down to repeating things directly from the Democrat party talking points memos, and this author doesn't even seem to bat an eye. Just goes right at it in lockstep.
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The fact you idiots believe this shit at all when they were laughed out of every courtroom astounds me.
Lack of standing is a bitch.
And they won most of the decisions on the merits post 2020 election trials.
Citation please?
There won't be one.
Even the claim that they all failed on "lack of standing" is nonsense. Several were dismissed for lack of evidence. In quite a few cases, when asked for evidence, Trump's lawyers, the same ones who said they had reams of evidence in front of the press... shrugged.
Guess they knew better than to lie to the judge like they did to the cameras.
Awww. You look retarded now.
It has been provided dozens of times. Here is for the actual initial suits.
https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/02/03/2020-presidential-election-lawsuits-the-facts-n320913
Then since then more than a dozen lawsuits ruled as illegal election changes.
Should I keep this post for the 10th time you ask me?
Lmao, from a RedState article. With broken links where it tries to cite its sources.
That sounds super reliable.
This is the shifting goal post problem: the Lie is that the election was "stolen" through fraud. The few cases that were won had nothing to do with fraud, but related to procedural changes.
Shhhhh...these poor people are being oppressed and their votes suppressed. We should be nicer to them. They are fragile. Like barely hanging on fragile. Having delusions smashed is a tough thing.
So, how do you think it *was* stolen, then?
"To counter the later part of that false narrative, a team of independent volunteer (unpaid) scientists and engineers recently put together a List of Lawsuits involving the 2020 Presidential election."
Yes, whenever I want to understand the legal issues surrounding lawsuits I ask a "team of independent volunteer (unpaid) scientists and engineers" to give me their opinions. (Were they taking time off from their usual duties in the 9/11 Troof Movement, perhaps?)
That veil of ignorance, of course, led them to completely misunderstand the function and significance of "standing, timing, jurisdiction, etc.", which they then breezily dismissed as "legal technicalities". Sometimes, failing on a procedural issue does mean you cannot realistically appeal the decision or cure the filing, but a plaintiff who files in the wrong jurisdiction, for example, or lacks standing, for another, still loses the lawsuit fair and square--and those plaintiffs' subsequent failure to appeal or re-file is also squarely on them. Every one of those failures "counts".
Of course, the reason they don't want to count them (apart from an astonishing ignorance of how the legal system works) is that they also want to claim that the system is somehow conspiring against them: how unfair it is that the Deep State court system won't even look at the piles and piles of delicious evidence!
Stupid hurts.
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I wonder if this article got linked on Twitter or Reddit.
Looks like quite the influx.
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The big lie is it was an honest election, and I did not vote for Trump.
Exactly. What clown was it that claimed it was the freest and fairest election in U.S. history? You can prove there was fraud, but you can't prove there as NO fraud. Why were Democrats so adamant to avoid any real (or even superficial) audits of any results if there as nothing to hide? Why the constant accusations of "election denialism" for daring to question the outcome of an election (at least if a Democrat wins)? What's funny is Democrats wanting to label Republicans (or any other political opponent that might threaten their political power) "fascists" when their suppression of dissent is much more in line with real fascism.
The big lie = 81 mil votes for Sleepy Joe.
40,000 votes in 3 states was the difference.
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So why is it that those R govs and Secy States committed electoral fraud for Biden?
Hey look, it's a traitor. Why don't you save us the bother and execute yourself?
81M for anybody but Trump.
I don't think 81 million people voted for Biden, just as I don't think most of the votes Trump received were "for" him. Most of the votes "for" either major party candidate were really against the other major party candidate.
40k votes was the overage. Not the difference. The difference is unknown.
So much for honor among looters...
I agree and hold out hope that if people can be convinced to drop the “culture war” and vote for what they actually desire instead of voting against what they fear that there would be an overwhelming showing for libertarian candidates.
That's the Big Truth: Trump was so bad, Sleepy Joe got 81M votes.
Trump has always been the biggest loser.
Aw, c'mon. The butthurt ex-President is already sad because people don't like him as much as a guy who campaigned from a basement. There's no reason to point out he's obese as well. That's just kicking a whiny loser when he's down.
Marxist cunts like Robby trot that out so they don't have to ever look at the activities in the Democrat fraud factories like Philly or Detroit and any other locale where their AG doesn't give a shit about election integrity as long as they get a piece.
Explain the Republican factory in Georgia electing Biden, Warnock, and Ossoff in the same year.
Who said Georgia was a fraud factory, Shrike? SJIN was discussing the known fraud factories that Team D runs.
BTW, running five socks in one thread last night was impressive. Got anymore, moonbat?
Oh, I see. If your candidate loses it is because of fraud.
WTF? Please explain where that was ever said?
As I said though, congrats on running five socks at the same time last night, Shrike. Got anymore?
He may be 79 above.
It’s implied if you disagree with a Democrat on any position.
You should know better ITL.
It seems to work for Democrats.
Philly has been deep blue forever! What would be the point in fraud there, especially in a Presidential election where it's only the state aggregate that matters in assigning electoral votes?
LOL
The faggot leftist 10 centers are really fucking stupid these days
Hey, Incel
Are you retarded? What would be the point of fraud in Philly?!?!?!? It's deeply blue and all offices are controlled by dems. The Philly votes count just as much as any other votes do towards deciding who gets Pennsylvania's electoral votes. Was it a coincidence that Philly's turnout was exceptionally high? That there were literally thousands of ballots that were only for Biden with ZERO down ticket votes cast? That the Benford rule didn't hold for any of the areas where voter fraud was facilitated by lax rule enforcement?
It may be a big lie, but which side is lying?
If one side raises the question of whether the election was honest and fair, is that a "big lie"? Or does the other side resort to a "big lie" by arresting the protesters and mocking those who continue to raise the issue. What would a totalitarian state do?
Yet somehow no significant fraud was shown in 63 lawsuits.
The lawsuits never got to standing the merits and were not about fraud outside of a few.
You guys really have the leftist narrative down.
Is that what led the courts in Nevada to declare, while shooting down one of these lawsuits, that "there is no credible or reliable evidence that the 2020 General Election in Nevada was affected by fraud."?
Or are you just willfully ignoring the many examples like this?
“The Big Lie” was MSM canon before lawsuit 1.
Odd how certain they were of this in such an “extraordinary” year.
“We’ve never done anything remotely like this before, but trust us, it went perfectly.” Lol.
“And covid came from a wet market.”
When lawyers tell the press that they have reams of evidence, but admit to actual judges that they don't, that's a big fucking lie.
I'm sure you have cites. Since you commented on them above.
Is the Wall Street Journal a conservative enough source for you on this?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267
Da fuq are you doing showing actual evidence? That's not how this works.
Lol. Certainly seemed to shut up JesseAz too.
Did I break the Reason comment section? Sorry.
Nope.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/11/30/trumps-judicial-campaign-to-upend-the-2020-election-a-failure-but-not-a-wipe-out/amp/
"Although Trump had more judicial support than “one victory out of over 60 cases,” he lost all but one case—and the great majority of judicial votes in all cases disfavored his claims."
Oh, well.
So say that instead of “he got laughed out of court by every judge based on lack of evidence”, and you’ll be a little closer to telling the truth. Baby steps.
Who bought Dominion Voting in 2018? If you don't know that, or who is really behind Staple Street Capital, then you are not educated enough to discuss election fraud. Why do we allow weighting algorithms on voting machines? Why is there no transparency when people ask to see the servers? The Big Lie of the 2020 election is that Biden got 81 million votes. He got 68 million give or take, and that's why they never mention a "mandate" or that he bested Obama. What happened in Venezuela is disgusting. And it happened because of election fraud.
https://journal-neo.org/2020/11/23/the-murky-foreign-actors-behind-us-election-fraud/
Your tinfoil hat is loose.
“Why do we allow weighting algorithms on voting machines?”
We don’t.
You mean Soros, of course.
But you're wrong, of course.
I grew up in Chicago and saw the Democrat machine first hand during elections. The precinct captains ran 10 passenger vans to haul the Democrat voters to the voting stations. In every van was a shoe box full of 3"x5" Manila envelops. In every envelop was a neatly folded, new five dollar bill to pay for "lunch" for the "voters".
I imagine there is $15 in every envelop nowdays, what with Biden's inflation and all. The Dem machine in Philly undoubtedly is just as crooked as the one in Chicago.
Cheap bastards.
It was Hitler who use the phrase against the Jews, claiming they were perpetrating it. I'm really surprised people are so eager to use it for anything now. Even hipsters didn't don the mustache, ironically or not.
The left has adopted a lot of nazi policy, they just use communist rhetoric to sell it most of the time.
Says an actual out-and-out self-proclaimed neo-Nazi...
I think you are thinking of Misesk.
Well, the Holocaust happened and the Steal didn't.
The use of the term “Big Lie” on one side and the continual belief that the election was stolen on the other side are completely tiresome and not based on reality nor are they appropriate.
You were expecting "war guilt denial"? The tiresome thing about Trumpanzees is they keep whining and sobbing. Their Positive Christian National Socialist role models saw when the jig was up, shot themselves or took cyanide and gave it to their kids. That, incidentally, was in the Nazi platform, at the very bottom.
"doing their damnest to replace the idea of holocaust denial with election denial"
Not replace. But put in the same category? Absolutely. Neither of them has any actual evidence to back them up and are completely rejected by rational, evidence-based, decent people.
To be fair, holocaust denial tries to pretend away millions of deaths and election denial only tries to pretend away something that embarrasses a megalomaniac. Holocaust denial is much worse, but it's a song from the same score.
Goddamn you’re just a Marxist propagandist tool.
It's only tiresome because it's the truth. People who love the D can't bring themselves to believe that their demigod lost an election despite all the proof in the world and hundreds of cases laughed out of both liberal and conservative courts. The Big Lie is about the best description for the whole situation around Trump
The answer is simple. Get rid of the democrats.
It is very telling when people accuse their opponents of The Big Lie, just like Hitler did. It's right up there with the Reichstag Fire (J6) accusations from Hitler.
"LiBeRtArIaNs for totalitarian election fraud!"
Incel
^ Marxist Pedo. ^
"The Big Lie"...
Does this include all the Democrats who denied the election results in 2000 ("SCOTUS decided Bush should be President!"), 2004 ("How did Stupid Bush beat Kerry!?!", 2016 ("Russian interference!!1!!1!"), and 2018 ("Abrams beat Kemp in Georgia!")? If it doesn't then the "Big Lie" is a lie.
Not to mention the Democratic Party propagandist who wrote that article for Time Magazine bragging about how the 2020 election was rigged.
Well, that was sure descriptive. How about a name, a title, a date--anything?
The Molly Ball interview in feb of 21, I believe.
"On March 3 [2020], Podhorzer drafted a three-page confidential memo titled “Threats to the 2020 Election.” “Trump has made it clear that this will not be a fair election, and that he will reject anything but his own re-election as ‘fake’ and rigged,” he wrote."
Er, that article outlines how Trump tried to rig the election, and was only thwarted through the extraordinary efforts of a large number of people dedicated to the principle of democracy.
Lol. Ok.
This is what is funny though. Mild election denial has been a thing for decades. Small shows of resistance and hyperbolic statements made while stumping are what everyone saw and were a bit eye-rolly par for the course.
Trump, however, turned it up to 11 and made it huge. It’s not that others hadn’t done it before, it’s just no one reached the scale and scope (which resulted in riot at the Capitol) of Trump’s actions and claims.
Oops posted in the wrong place.
Only Clinton solicited the creation of a fake dossier.
Only Clinton used a fake dossier to convince the Justice Department and intelligence agencies to give her Big Lie the illusion of credibility.
People should have been paying attention.
After 2000, it should have been obvious to any moron that US elections cannot be trusted.
Hell, leading up to the 2022 midterms the Democrats were warning about election fraud for crying out loud!
They were warning about it leading up to the 2020 election, or have we all forgotten Biden saying they had the most extensive fraud team ever set up?
Yup.
Lol. Reality doesn't stand a chance against you, does it?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/29/fact-check-joe-biden-misspoke-campaigns-voter-protections/6061563002/
He said it. That is reality.
Feel free to fuck off now.
Even you know he misspoke, because it was obvious from the context. Your own link says this clearly:
"Joe Biden did say he had created a "voter fraud organization," however, the full interview shows the claim was a misstatement. Biden was referring to his campaign and the Democratic Party's election protection efforts to combat voter suppression. We rate this claim MISSING CONTEXT because our research shows the claim is not as it seems."
Pear: Democrats were warning about fraud in the 22 election.
Me: Democrats we’re warning about fraud in the 20 Election. Even Biden talked about it.
Sock: reality doesn’t agree with you
Me: Here’s proof he did with a link to an article that explains how he misspoke.
Sock: your own link proves you right.
So which part of reality are you having trouble with? The part where Biden said what I said he did or the part where Democrats were warning about fraud leading up to the 2020 election?
Desi, come on, don’t you understand that Marxist propagandists have to puke Marxist pablum?
Seriously, anyone who thinks the most important thing about a candidate is "he's friendly with TRUMP!" or "She went against TRUMP" is a damn fool and shouldnt be voting.
Yes, the most important thing about these candidates is their links to the Kremlin.
I'm not shocked Robbie is against the candidate closer to the libertarian party and endorsed by the libertarian candidate.
Robbie is in no way a libertarian.
Er, Trump does.
I used to agree with that, but Bate Masters convinced me that ALL Grabber Of Pussy candidates need to shout "we wuz robbed! force uppity bitches to reproduce! and shoot dem hippy spic and brown potheads! from the rooftops like their platform demands. Their voters will simply be more honest.
Is there a point to you?
The red wave made landfall in Florida; everywhere else, it was more like a trickle.
In Ohio it was a tsunami.
Not really. It's a red state now and Vance won by far less than he should've.
Looking at the national total votes cast, more people voted for Republicans than Democrats by about 6% per Cook. RCP has it at about 5.5%. So, the generic polls weren't off, and normally a victory like that would have netted 40+ seats, based on history. So, it appears the country voted Republican but because of house seat distribution and the Senate seats up this year, it didn't necessarily translate into big wins. Some of that was likely due to the fact that after house seats were reallocated this year, Red states gained seats while blue states lost seats. This probably reduced the number of purple seats that Republicans had a shot at. The results also show Republicans made decent gains among married women with college degrees, blacks, Hispanics and Asians.
Also, I think that Nardz and Jesse have a point about mail in balloting, not so much that there was fraud (though fraud is easier with mail in ballots but that isn't proof fraud occurred). Instead, mail in ballots are easier to cast than in person, therefore less motivated voters, especially young voters, were more likely to cast votes rather they would or not in person. Additionally, early voting and mail in voting likely played some roll in Pennsylvania.
As for Trump, besides his grandiose personality, the big problem is he becomes the story much more than any previous president. It tends to drown out the candidates, because the story becomes who did or didn't Trump endorse. He taught Republicans to fight, which is a good thing, but he needs to understand that fair or not he becomes the focus and many Americans don't like him, even non-Democrats. Nothing really is going to change that no matter how much some people wish it differently. Also, why is he attacking De Santis and Younkin now?
Republicans voters need to adopt some pragmatism here, study who won, dive into why they won the national generic vote but it didn't translate into large gains nationally. They are on track to a majority in the House and have a real shot at the Senate, Laxalt has maintained his lead the past 48 hours by about the same margin, Lake is likely to win a close race, based on precincts still counting, which should tighten the Master's race but probably not enough for him to squeak out a win, he's running about 2 points behind Lake at this point). All in all, it wasn't a terrible night for Republicans, they just crested a little to late and were undone by early voting. The key here then is to figure out Republican leaning voters who did not vote and work on getting them to turn in their mail in ballots (if they can't get the laws overturned). Another possibility in some of the right races, it would be interesting to see if some Republican voters were overconfident and didn't turn out?
The other big thing is the Republican outreach to minorities is working, they need to keep it up. A big part of this has been their candidate recruiting efforts. I think Rubio is right about waiting on voting on leadership, it is probably time to consider having McConnell to stand aside (polling shows McConnell is less popular than Trump, Biden, Schumer and Pelosi, nationally). A younger, more popular, better speaking leader in the Senate is probably the better route to go. A woman or a minority wouldn't be a bad strategic move (Scott?). It's cynical and it won't change how progressives attack them, but it's independents they need to reach out to.
Scott or Rand Paul would be my choice.
Very nice analysis soldier.
"Instead, mail in ballots are easier to cast than in person, therefore less motivated voters, especially young voters, were more likely to cast votes rather they would or not in person."
I think this is a very salient point, and illustrates why democrats are so adamant about universal mail-in voting. It's not so they can commit fraud, it's because, as the generic ballot demonstrates, they have lost ground with key demographics that they've previously relied upon to win races, and now have to bank on demographics that are not reliable at the polls, particularly the youth vote.
My take on Trump vs DeSantis and Youngkin is it's a good opportunity to put some daylight between Trump and the two best candidates for 2024. Like you said, whenever Trump talks, that becomes the story, so Trump's criticism of DeSantis is a good thing for DeSantis. If they're seen to be feuding, it'll be hard for the D's to make DeSantis '24 another race against Trump. They'll have to actually run against DeSantis and his record of success, and they come up way short there.
Intentional or not, it would be hilarious if it worked out that way.
I can pretty much guarantee you there are activists on campuses collecting mail-in ballots from students and filling the out. We are heading to voting by proxy. The Party pays you some nominal amount to get you to sign your ballot over to them. People will just zone out and let The Party vote for them. "Democracy" becomes a joke. You can argue it's that way already in many ways, but there's no good reason to encourage it.
Your desire to believe in the honesty of government and integrity of leftist machine poll workers doesn't account for the timing.
Simply gathering legitimate mail in votes isn't enough- you have no way of knowing how many you'll need to overcome the enthusiasm gap.
Trump outperformed expectations in 2016 by a good bit and got 63m or so votes. In 2020, Trump absolutely obliterated expectations. He increased his vote by 15-20%.
You really think the Ds knew ahead of time they'd have to get 80m votes for Biden?
They did not. Hence the midnight "pauses" in the swing states that all occurred at the same time. Hence the need to keep counting for DAYS after election day.
Millions of ballots were likely created on the spot as they needed to overcome a much larger deficit than anticipated.
The only variable between Trump states like Florida and Ohio vs neighboring Biden states like Georgia and Pennsylvania was electoral security.
The statistical and circumstantial evidence doesn't add up to the result we were given.
The problem is proving it. It is not a matter of trusting or not, it's convincing people. The fact is that mail in ballots are less secure and harder to verify. But, they are here, so we need to deal with it. Screaming it's unfair isn't going to change anything or people's mind. Pointing out that they create confusion, chaos and are less secure on the other hand is a message that many will listen to. Arizona's voter ID laws won. Georgia's proved to work. Florida had the best organized elections. These are things that Republicans can point to that show their position is superior. Additionally, instead of working to ban mail in ballots maybe first, focus on ending sending out unsolicited ballots to every registered voter. People could quite possibly agree or at least be ambivalent about restricting mail in ballots to only those who request them. Than go from there. It took decades for the Democrats to get laws shaped to their desires. They used COVID to try and implement those rules nationwide. In Nevada, instead of crying fraud, point out how chaotic the counting process was and that reform will make it more organized. If the Republicans can regain enough power in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, again this is a better argument than crying fraud that is very hard to prove (not saying it did or didn't happen, I'm making a pragmatic argument about how to make the system better and fairer for Republicans and other parties). I have not argued that the Republicans need to stop fighting, or to soften it's message, so much as modify it to be more pragmatic. Make the argument about why it would work better and use the examples of states like Florida and Georgia to push the point that your system is better. Push back that voter ID is not racist. That sending out unsolicited ballots doesn't drastically decrease voting non-participation (in Nevada they mailed 1.8 million unsolicited ballots and only 800,000 were returned, so 1 million went in the trash, point out how this is both wasteful and less secure). Polls show that people want verification to cast a ballot. Point out Democrats in Pennsylvania sued to try and count ballots that were not dated, contrary to the law, or that Democrats in Nevada made it harder to verify signatures on mailed in ballots.
Republicans really need to go into neighborhoods with people who ordinarily wouldn't vote and whose votes are "harvested" by Democrats and do a lot of convincing and harvesting themselves.
New York shed some democrats too. Zeldin didn’t win, but the dems took some big hits there too.
the Big Lie
The 2020 election was so irregular that we will never know who actually won the Presidency. That is the truth.
Obama summed it up best: "We had an election. Joe BIden is the President now." He didn't claim any connection between the two events.
I don't think there was any widespread cheating. No voting machines were proven to be tampered with. Dems gained mostly by having universal mail-in voting, with many states reducing the scrutiny on mail-in ballots (some even reduced the signature match requirement level for AI systems) and extending deadlines. All of which helped more people vote (as well as making it easier to harvest ballots).
High turnout generally favors the Dems, who rely on people with lower civic engagement and lower information awareness. It's hard to squeeze out more Repub turnout, since they are already engaged.
But if I were an independent election observer appointed by the UN to investigate the 2020 election, I'd focus on the hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots in Pennsylvania that were far out of step with in-person results, in comparison to 49 other states. And then maybe pay a visit to Georgia, Arizona and Nevada, just to be sure.
There's also basic ethical issues. Anyone who was worked for the govt at some point (should) have had ethics training and learned that the appearance of unethical behavior is no different than genuine unenthical behavior. It is not good enough to say "I did nothing wrong." You must be an open book and acknowledge the privilege you wield as a govt employee.
It's weird how many rules were changed via executive fiat at the last minute and how difficult it has been to investigate the processes. The absence of chain of custody is disturbing. All these states with ballot drop boxes cannot prove that the person casting the vote and the person who filled out the ballot are the same. We don't know how the ballots get into these boxes and once they're in and counted, you can't go back and revisit the process. If you raise these concerns, you are called an election denier and a threat to democracy.
I hate to use the "if you're innocent, you have nothing to fear" argument...but this is not how innocent people act.
We know that several of those rule changes were illegal. In PA for example, the governor changed the rules to allow mail in ballots up to three days late. It was recently ruled that it was an illegal action.
Which case are you referring to, exactly? There have been many, depending on what you mean by "recently".
The rules were apparently changed to allow ballots postmarked before election day, but received later, to be counted. How could that be wrong?
There was a case about undated or unsigned ballots being counted at all, but it's not clear if that applied equally to ballots received before election day or afterwards.
And none of these cases even touched upon "election fraud" capable of "stealing the election" from the rightful winner.
Good post. I wanted to say something similar, but this is better. Are we turning into a country where dissent is forbidden (at least for one side)? Is the author of this article OK with this? It seems like it.
Everyone knows who won: Biden. The only people who think otherwise are traitors, fooled by the Kremlinbots spouting Putin-propaganda.
The indictment is coming, Trump will face the death penalty. Treason is treason.
Treason? And please, explain for the entire crowd here, what was the treason?
Oh, fuck off Kremlin shill. Waging war against the United States of America and attempting a coup - however fucking inept it was - is treason.
Kremlin shill? Where's the coup? There was a riot from a protest on 1/6/21, but that's about it.
Are you ever going to answer the question? Are you taking roubles for this shit, or so damned stupid you're not even getting paid for shilling for the Kremlin?
Fuck off, Shrike.
I hope this is not your best work.
Oh, you'll know my best work when you see it.
Intended for that other dude. Wasn't aimed at you. Sorry, dude.
DaveDave is likely a gov't employee (postal clerk is my guess) with the day off trolling Reason for entertainment.
"Kremlinbots spouting Putin-propaganda" should be an inciteful indicator.
Davedave is yet another Shrike sock. Somehow I managed to really piss him off.
Fuck off, Kremlinbot. We all know who the sockpuppet-master is.
Yes, Shrike, you think you're a good sock puppet master, but all you are is a sock puppet masturbater.
Or mebbe an Anschluss comedian-impersonator.
"what was the treason?"
Daring to question the election results. We can't put up with that kind of thing in a democracy. /sarc
Dave’s not here man.
In which Davedave makes the case for Obama being executed for providing material aid to an enemy of the United States.
Without realizing it, of course, since Davedave is almost certainly a sock of our resident troll factory.
His style is closer to one of you guys, though.
Maybe consider it flattery?
Republicans are treason averse, unlike democrats, who commit treason with every breath taken.
Perhaps democrats should breathe no more.
Got a link to all those court cases proving irregularity?
How many times do you need links to illegal election changes made in 2020 shrike?
It's an evidence denier. Nothing will or can change it's mind.
They will just show up with a new account, make the same claims and then, when they are refuted once again, they will slink away to do it all over again next week.
That's half the thread now.
One useful idiot squirrel, and a bunch of low IQ pedo socks
I'm not shrike, you fascist cunt.
Those "illegal" changes - how did they work out in court? You pathetic loser, continuing to recite claims that even Trump judges rejected.
You’re confused. You see the fascist when you look in the mirror, or support democrats.
I don't do homework for trolls.
There's a bunch here:
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/delaware-supreme-court-takes-one
This follows along with Wisconsin ruling that ballot drop boxes are illegal and Michigan finding that the Secretary of State illegally changed election rules for 2020. Similar cases had similar results in Pennsylvania, where universal mailing of ballots was declared illegal AND that Pennsylvania’s Secretary of State had no authority to arbitrarily change election deadlines. Ditto in Virginia, where the rule allowing mail-in ballots to arrive late WITHOUT A POSTMARK was determined to be illegal.
Wow, a blog post.
The "evidence" is just piling up now.
Kind of hard to find sources that make lefties happy when shadow bans, corporate crony bans, and outright bans (internationally and coming here soon if DHS has their way) on the subject are being pushed by lefties.
At some point you just have to use your brain.
You don’t.
The Arizona Senate candidate who said "libertarianism doesn't work" is expected to come up short.
Beaten by a libertarian?
I love how Fruit Sushi can write this article about an AZ election when the whole AZ vote counting process is a total clusterfuck.
And ignored masters was endorsed by the libertarian candidate.
He is crowing for Mark Kelly winning.
Of course Robbie is crowing for Mark Kelly. Reason Foundation has become a left-wing rag on par with Vox since David Koch passed. Charles has gone full left-wing since. I have been a member of the Libertarian Party since '96 and have followed Reason for about the same time. The Libertarian Party that Reason espouses IS NOT the Libertarian Party I have belonged to for 30 years.
I do t k ow how the republic can survive without annihilating the democrats and their fellow travelers.
I don’t know why Soave focuses so hard on a candidate who said “libertarianism doesn’t work”. He’s a conservative, not a libertarian. Does Mark Kelly believe “libertarianism does work”?
This is like chortling about Hitler losing the election to Stalin.
Suck it, Hitler, you lost! What with all your prison camps and gulags and killing, looks like people don’t abide THAT kind of behavior from our elected officials!
*unfurls banner*
WELCOME STALIN!
Hey, this is what you get with horse race reporting. We'll write about Stalin several years after the Holodomor facts get known.
Honestly, at one point I thought this was because Reason contributors felt the Democrats were a lost libertarian cause so why bother. Now I have no idea why the GOP's sins get all the attention, especially after the past three years..
They have an insessent need to destroy the GOP party while propping up mass narratives and candidates like Polis. They are at best liberaltarians who want the outcomes of the left but hide the means to get there.
OR.... they are socially liberal and fiscally responsible and the GOP is neither?
Well yes.
Robby, keep up the good work!
And Welch - good job. ENB? Bellissimo.
Nope. Now go kill yourself before you rape another child.
And indeed, for many progressive circles in the West. the Stalin brand didn’t come into total disrepute until after Khrushchev’s 1956 speech denouncing the “Cult of Personality.” Like no one was aware of Uncle Joe’s dirty laundry before then? (And don’t get me started with how they were with Mao!)
I think it’s a reasonable thing for libertarians to focus on Masters’ loss. He was a libertarian turned MAGA, he was endorsed by Dave Smith over LP candidate before he dropped out. He was endorsed by the libertarian candidate after he dropped out. Both claiming or implying the race was too close to waste on libertarian protest votes. The libertarians-should-vote-for-the-(much)-lesser-of-2-evils strategy failed.
IDK if Soave is happy the D won, but it’s a legitimate subject for Reason either way.
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So the GOP "infiltrate and neuter" entryists who took over the Libertarian Party failed their core mission of saving particularly bad Republican candidates -- in Arizona, at least. That's good news.
Republicans could take the right lesson but I assume they'll just lean further into racism and fascism.
It was a layup and they barely nicked the backboard, much less got the basket.
"everything that is not communist is racism!" - the full extent of liberal thought.
So you're the one assigned to this news post? Not sure if you want to call in back up or something.
You do understand that Dems are the ones who lean into racism and fascism, right?
He does not.
You and your fellow travelers are the fascist racists. But you’re too stupid to understand that. This is why you’re a a democrat shitweasel.
No one better encapsulates this trend than Masters, who famously released a campaign ad last year in which his opening pitch to voters was: "I think Trump won in 2020."
how could anyone possibly care either way?
How will he vote on the bills and which judges will he approve? That's literally all you should consider about a Senate candidate. And in that regard Masters was 100x better than the commie. But TrUmPQ!!!! people are idiots.
IW, you're 100% correct. But for Soave's TDS-addled brain, there is only 1 thing that matters.
Reason doesn't care about the policies. Only the narratives. Read Greenhuts falsely headlined article.
"people are idiots."
It's much worse than that. People are idiots who don't like Trump.
"how could anyone possibly care either way?"
Because most voters aren't like you or me or all the commenters here. They know little to nothing about the issues or positions. They do not spend their free time reading political articles, much less thinking and commenting about them. They form their opinions based on 30 second TV ads or superficial conversations with other similarly ignorant people. So if the point you make in a 30 second ad is "I believe in a conspiracy theory," you are dismissed by those nonbelievers as a nut job not fit for office.
Yeah! That F'n Trump. He should pack up his voters and his 100 million dollar war chest and bugger off to a third party somewhere.
BTW, how'd the Libertarians do on Tuesday?
How much did he spend on his favorite candidates?
"Blake Masters' Defeat Should End the GOP's Fealty to Trump and the Big Lie"
Soave doesn't mention the RNC only giving Master 100k, while giving Murkowski 10mil in AK. I'm sure a few million dollars for ads might have helped. And, that was a much bigger variable than Master's position on the 2020 election.
Soave, perhaps you'd like to explain how Kari Lake is winning despite her same "fealty" to Trump?
She got the butch vote with that hair style.
Not boyish enough for you, Shrike?
Quit following me and sniffing my ass.
Sevo did that and look what happened to him.
Why would I sniff up your ass? Your buttplug of a head is already there.
IBS?
To be fair, I think Kari Lake should have done better. We'll see if she even wins.
He also doesn't mention that there's still around 20% of the vote left to count and that there is enough of a margin there for Masters to win. I'm going to laugh if this premature attack ad for democrats proves to miss the mark on who eventually wins
"The Arizona Senate candidate who said "libertarianism doesn't work" is expected to come up short."
Or, we could wait until all the ballots are counted. 600k ballots that slant 60/40 for the GOP and Master may win. Since these ballots appear to be same day ballots, that isn't unlikely.
No surprise that a Reason Editor is slamming a Republican. You guys are a broken record. At least you're making it perfectly clear which party you support.
You clearly weren't here during the Obama years. That's ok, newb. Trump weirdos who obsess about the culture war and are fine with government being large enough to win it for their side, yet also claim to be some sort of libertarian, are fairly new themselves.
You mean when Reason gave light criticism of Obama while trying to both sides every issue? Those 8 Obama years?
Listen progtard, I don’t have to like Trump to realize he’s a better alternative that Biden. Ditto for Masters over Kelly. Oh, GOP spends too much. It’s still LESS than what Dems want to spend. Why is this so hard for prog-libertarians to understand?
I don’t like Mehmet Oz all that much. But he isn’t the brain damaged Marxist in the race. I would vote for him a hundred times over versus Fetterman. Same goes with any democrats that will caucus with their party in either chambers of congress.
you should stop doing this for money
C'mon Donnie. The GOP needs you. Keep running with the Big Lie (US version) and announce your 2024 campaign on Nov 15 like you suggested you would.
And visit Georgia often between now and Dec 6. Herschel needs your help campaigning.
Trump endorsed candidates went 216-19. That doesn't seem underperformed to me.
This is just Robbie’s version of a modern NFL team’s end zone dance when they’re 20 points behind. Every bit as lame, and every bit as contemporary.
Reason’s position seems to be that since the Republicans didn’t destroy the fucking Democrats in the midterms, it just shows all of America embraces Orangemanbad, or some bullshit.
First, it’s still in the air which party controls congress. It’s very likely the Republicans are going to come out on top, if barely. And secondly, it’s a fucking midterm. It’s clear that Reason supports Democrats in the White House, but for fuck’s sake it’s also clear the country is split when it becomes red vs blue in local elections. That’s a best case scenario for small government, so why the fucking gloating?
You should probably go back and read Reason's covereg of Obama. You must be new.
You mean when posters regularly gave them shit for being soft on the administration, while shrike and Tony accused them of being mouth pieces of the GOP? Good times!
Yeah, 200+ running for dogcatcher, and the 19 running for offices like Senator...
The Arizona Senate candidate who said "libertarianism doesn't work" is expected to come up short.
Um, we have some liberal/left commenters here who base their entire presence on the premise that "libertarianism doesn't work". Is this a suggestion that Blake Masters' opponent believes that Libertarianism works?
The GOP needs candidates who stand for limited government—who, unlike Masters, know that libertarianism does work—and are unafraid to finally show Trump the door.
And the alternative is the other party that is full-on with libertarianism, small government, cutting spending and just leaving you alone?
Look, if you're not going to legalize heroin injection sites in elementary schools, then the guy/gal/furry who's going to mandate forced experimental medical procedures and the abolition of private gasoline possession at gunpoint is clearly the better alternative.
Incel
So here's another thing... has Masters actually lost? Is the race called? I haven't seen anything saying it's decided yet...
The election is fortified. Move on.
Just one more week needed to “count” the votes.
The 600k outstanding ballots left are thought to be primarily from conservative areas. He needs something like a 60/40 split to win.
It is called now, but I haven't yet seen him concede. Of course, if he's still taking Trump's calls, he will never concede.
"“I heard you did great on the debate but [had] a bad election answer. … You got a lot of support. You gotta stay with those people,” Trump told Masters on the call before referencing Lake as an example.
“Look at Kari. Kari’s winning with very little money. If they say, ‘How is your family?’ She says, ‘The election was rigged and stolen,’” the former president told Masters. “You’ll lose if you go soft. You’re gonna lose that base.”"
You all voted in a brain damaged guy. Who the fuck are you trying to kid with quality control.
Robby Soave do you realize that they have not finished counting the ballots? True, Blake Masters is down.
It's media that keeps Trump in the headlines and it's media that promoted Trump in the first place through a misguided attempt to give Hillary an easier opponent.
Until the election count is finalized, please shut your trap and also stop talking about Trump because you are only keeping him relevant.
"It’s media that keeps Trump in the headlines and it’s media that promoted Trump in the first place through a misguided attempt to give Hillary an easier opponent. "
Trump is a more than willing accomplice. It seems he enjoys being the focus of attention. I enjoy his antics too. His is a skilled performer, though his shtick is a little limited.
WSJ is now reporting that Masters lost. I don’t know the details yet…
From The Hill:
"Arizona Republican Senate nominee Blake Masters released a statement on Saturday indicating that he would decline to concede until all the votes were counted in his race against Sen. Mark Kelly (D).
Several outlets, including NBC and The Associated Press, called the race for Kelly on Friday night, inching Democrats one seat closer to a majority in the upper chamber."
"he would decline to concede until all the votes were counted in his race against Sen. Mark Kelly"
Then he's obviously an election denier and needs to be sent to a reeducation camp.
Here's a big lie: that these candidates were "hand picked" by Trump.
Remember that hilarious Trump non-endorsement of "Eric" in Missouri? Remember how he didn't endorse Oz until late in the PA primary even though McCormick was the front runner and his wife was a Trump staffer? The idea that Trump is raising and developing these candidates is laughable. I could tell he was very hesitant with endorsing a lot of them because they were shit candidates. Unsurprisingly, Trump is no different from us. He can polish a turd as much as he likes, but shit is shit.
Sure, midterms have lower turnout, but that doesn't change the fact that assuming no fraud, both Fetterman and Oz each had more than 3m potential voters to tap into. Biden voters turned out. Fetterman won his base. Trump voters did not. Fetterman either won over Trump voters or Oz encouraged them to stay home. In every area Trump won, Oz either lost or won by less, usually by 3-5 percentage points compared to Trump's margins. Hardly an indictment of Trump or his agenda.
Reason trying really hard to get Rs to move on from Trump. We all know why. He's still the largest threat to team blue.
Reason trying really hard to get Rs to move on from Trump. We all know why. He’s still the largest threat to team blue.
Yes. The Trump Train is strong. Team MAGA cannot be slowed.
Trump is the bogeyman Democrats use to scare their
childrenvotersDo you know you're a Kremlin shill? Or are you so stupid you're doing that vile job and not even getting paid for it?
Still peddling the old, tired, debunked Russiagate shit?
What debunked Russiagate shit? We know for a fact that the Kremlin tries to interfere in Western elections. And since you're spouting Kremlin propaganda, it's obvious you're either a Kremlinbot or so unbelievably stupid as to do their work for nothing.
Yeap. Youre still peddling it.
You're logged into the wrong sockpuppet there. Won't get the roubles for that comment. Try harder.
Yep, it's Shrike, aka SoSoCoCoMoFo, aka SRG, aka SPB2, aka Alric the Red, aka Chinny Chin Chin, and now Davedave. Not sure I can figure out 79ccefe yet.
Oh, I'm sure you'll "figure it out" soon! Logic is no match for you.
Ah, another ignorant fascist cunt who thinks that everyone not stupid enough to agree with him must be a sockpuppet. You pathetic weasel.
https://mtracey.medium.com/the-most-predictable-election-fraud-backlash-ever-4187ba31d430
Oh, look. It's a blog post.
The bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report in August 2020 should have settled the Russia issue (2016 edition):
"Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passed internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election, a new bipartisan Senate report concludes.
The findings draw a direct line between the president's former campaign chairman and Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign."
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/903512647/senate-report-former-trump-aide-paul-manafort-shared-campaign-info-with-russia
"The committee’s findings are a more in-depth look at the interference than Mueller’s investigation, but the findings run parallel to the conclusions of Mueller’s probe, which found overwhelming evidence of Russia’s efforts to interfere in the election through disinformation and cyber campaigns but a lack of sufficient evidence that the Trump campaign conspired with the Kremlin to impact the outcome of the 2016 election."
"The conclusion of the Senate committee’s probe comes as security officials and experts are warning that Russia will likely seek to interfere in the upcoming presidential election — as well as other countries. And the panel says these reports provide guidance on how to protect campaigns and elections heading into 2020.
“Now, as we head towards the 2020 elections, China and Iran have joined Russia in attempts to disrupt our democracy, exacerbate societal divisions, and sow doubts about the legitimacy and integrity of our institutions, our electoral process and our republic,” Rubio said. “The Committee’s five reports detail the signs and symptoms of that interference and show us how to protect campaigns, state and local entities, our public discourse, and our democratic institutions.”"
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512487-senate-panel-releases-final-report-on-russian-interference-detailing/
Stop it. This is the reason these losers started the whole stolen election shit in the first place. The Russians fucked around on social media. It didn't swing any election. But the constant harping was fucking annoying for everyone and it pissed the Trump folks off to the point that they lost most of whatever sense they once had.
Huh? What in that post could possibly be interpreted as Russian propaganda?
It is all they have left to cling to. Don't rob them of their only joy in life, however pathetic it is.
One of my longtime Usenet allies, Christopher Charles Morton, posted about this "blame it on the Russians®™ " thing on the Cleveland.com comment boards while it still had them) in 2016.
He compared it to the 1919 German ultrarightwing's Stab in the Back®™ conspiracy theories. He even speculated that eventually, these people would start blaming the Jews®™.
Chris could not have predicted that they would obtain assistance from the Justice Department and the intelligence communities to give their version of the Stab In the Back®™ hoax the illusion of credibility.
A bit perverse, alluding to anti-semitic tropes in service of the Alt-Right, but there you go.
Russia has certainly interfered in recent US elections, and indeed, key Putin ally Yevgeny Prigozhin admitted this last week:
"A Russian oligarch with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday that he interfered in U.S. elections, despite past denials, and vowed to do so again.
Yevgeny Prigozhin, called “Putin’s chef” due to his catering contracts with the Russian government, went back on repeated claims that he had not interfered with U.S. elections, saying he interfered “surgically.”
“We have interfered, are interfering and will continue to interfere,” Prigozhin said in comments posted to social media on the eve of the elections, The Associated Press reported. “Carefully, precisely, surgically and in our own way.”"
https://thehill.com/policy/international/3723346-russian-oligarch-linked-to-putin-says-he-interfered-in-us-elections/
What he did not say was why. Russia had no hope of actually swinging the election to Donald Trump, but they knew that every Rouble spent causing Americans to doubt their electoral and judicial systems, and perpetually suspect corruption in their institutions, is a Rouble well spent. So far, they're right.
Blake Masters' Defeat Should End the GOP's Fealty to Trump and the Big Lie
Again, I have to ask who writes these headlines? I don't believe it was Robby who wrote it since he never refers to "the Big Lie" in his article. "The Big Lie" is of course the idea that the 2020 election was completely on the up-and-up and any claims otherwise are completely baseless. I mean, I've seen a magician change an Ace of Hearts into a 3 of Clubs just by waving his hand over it. I couldn't explain how he did it to save my life, but I'd also bet my life that there was some sort of trickery involved and it wasn't actual magic responsible for the feat. Same with Joe Biden getting 81 million votes, a senile idiot who had failed miserably in previous runs because he's a lying old plagiarist who did no campaigning to speak of and couldn't draw flies to a bullshit piling contest getting more votes than anyone in history despite winning fewer counties than anyone since WWII? Yeah, that's not suspicious at all.
Well stated!!
How is this "well stated?" His argument is that something completely unrelated is a trick so this must also be. It's a lazy attempt, even for a logical fallacy.
"Again, I have to ask who writes these headlines? "
Typically that's the editor's job, isn't it? Writers write the articles, editors assign stories, write headlines, choose photographs etc.
"“The Big Lie” is of course the idea that the 2020 election was completely on the up-and-up and any claims otherwise are completely baseless."
I don't think anyone is claiming that the election was completely on the up and up. The big lie is that Trump won.
"I’ve seen a magician change an Ace of Hearts into a 3 of Clubs just by waving his hand over it. I couldn’t explain how he did it to save my life, but I’d also bet my life that there was some sort of trickery involved and it wasn’t actual magic responsible for the feat. "
Check out youtube for some short videos explaining some of the various techniques used in card tricks. Some of it comes down to trickery and deception, some it is the magicians' perfect control over the cards he handles. Very interesting.
"I don’t think anyone is claiming that the election was completely on the up and up. The big lie is that Trump won."
If the election wasn't honest, how do we know who won? You can't have it both ways.
"how do we know who won?"
You have Mike Pence's word on the matter. What more do you need? But I encourage you to pursue it anyway. It adds a surreal craziness that makes politics interesting again. If it rips the Republican party asunder, let it rip. I never voted for the bastards anyway.
IT's not an all or nothing proposition. It's quite possible for there to have been one or two minor instances of fraud without affecting in any way the actual outcome. There is no evidence of widespread fraud and Trump's own attorneys denied they were claiming fraud when asked about in court, you know, where they were obliged to be honest.
The big lie is what the democrats and state media have been practicing for the past seven years. Go go yourself robby.
a darling of the new right
First sentence. The term the left is pushing to describe Peter Thiel backed candidates.
Robbie. This term shows where your information comes from. Nobody on the right uses the term from what I've seen. It has been pushed from rags like The Intercept and Vanit Fair.
It is very telling you use this term at the outset.
vowed to wield government power in all sorts of illiberal ways, will not be the next U.S. senator from Arizona.
Election not over. The Fiona article you linked to was widely mocked and criticized by your readers. Kelly is solely big government. He campaigns on it. He votes for it. Masters is small government. But because he wants some abortion restrictions on abortion at 15 weeks, along with the majority of people, Fiona called him big government. What other examples do you have?
Democrats' pitch to voters—Trump and Trumpist candidates are existential threats to democracy—may have actually worked.
Oddly you dont seem upset false narratives worked.
I expect he's actually very pleased about it.
Republican candidates who pledged fealty to Trump and made his backward-looking lies about a stolen election a centerpiece of their own campaigns badly underperformed on Election Night.
Please cite these fealty pledges.
Youre entire article is based around narratives without any analysis of political or policy outcomes. Marc Victor the libertarian candidate dropped put and endorsed masters. That matters naught to you.
What a terrible fucking article.
There is no "new" right? There is no NatCon anti-globalist Bannon right?
I watched Bannon (who is very articulate) spend two hours describing the New Right a couple of years ago. He is a very effective speaker - easily the best on the right.
How's that price of gold there, oh, Oracle of Dogdick, Georgia?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gold-futures-end-at-highest-since-august-up-5-5-for-the-week-01668193068
Gold futures finished higher on Friday, holding ground at their highest since August and posting a gain of 5.5% for the week.
Is there any Kremlin propaganda you won't repeat in this thread? How about something about how well the special military running-away is going? Whatever happened to that missile cruiser your glorious leader promoted to submarine, anyway?
OK, Shrike, time to give it up. This is a pretty piss-poor POS of a sock, peddling a worn out, tired, debunked crock of shit like Russiagate. It's a new low, even for you, asshole.
So what did happen to the cruiser, traitor?
I just muted davedave. Little will be missed. You should likely do the same.
Which of the regulars usually hates you ITL? Seems like you have a puppy dog sock following you.
I think I may have really pissed off Shrike.
You're logged into the wrong account again, putinbot.
So did you, I think Nickelodeon is more your speed.
I do not understand how questioning something is a "big lie"? Isn't that what Libertarians do, we question things? Does anyone else find it odd that nearly every time there is a slow count in an election, Democrats turn out to be the winners?
It's not. The initial "questioning" phase was fine. Then, they had their day in court, completely failed to prove anything, and lost nearly every case.
"The Big Lie" is that they continue to push these claims long after they admitted to the courts that they have no evidence to back them up.
The cases where never heard because the courts wouldn't grant standing.
Many were, yes, due to the utter incompetence of Trump's lawyers.
But many of them did get to the evidence stage. At which point Trump's lawyers admitted they had no evidence, leading courts to issue judgements like Nevada's, saying (and I quote): "that there is no credible or reliable evidence that the 2020 General Election in Nevada was affected by fraud."
There were dissenting judges in many of the cases he lost. And they were usually lost on technical grounds.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/11/30/trumps-judicial-campaign-to-upend-the-2020-election-a-failure-but-not-a-wipe-out/amp/
"There were dissenting judges in many of the cases he lost."
Evidently not enough.
"And they were usually lost on technical grounds."
Technical grounds are all you need. It was technical grounds what propelled LBJ into the senate, despite clear evidence of vote tampering.
Both of which are not the total and utter refutation by the judiciary that you guys seem to be peddling.
Perhaps you should continue pursuing the matter if you see any chance as long as the judges haven't utterly and completely dismissed Trump's claims. You can help by donating money and time to Trump's hard working team of legal experts.
None of us need a "total and utter refutation."
The burden of proof is on you. We win by default until Trump's lawyers prove something was wrong, which they utterly failed to do.
If he had hired competent counsel, they wouldn't have been "lost on technical grounds". Those technical grounds were almost universally incompetence on their part.
Are you suggesting that a legal team led by such legal luminaries as Sydney Powell, Rudy Giuliani and Lin Wood was somehow incompetent?
You got a cite on that? There’s the Kraken case, that got all of the media attention for obvious reasons, sure.
But seeing as there’s disagreement with how many cases were even filed (over 60), I’d need some more examples.
There’s a bit of a difference between judges who are not about to be THE ONE who over turned the most important election results ever ever. And a careful review of the evidence or lack their of at hand.
It would also be interesting to learn how many cases were won/lost before Dem/Repub (and Trump-appointed) judges. I have never looked at that specifically, but I do know that most federal judges have done very poorly on the "Trump loyalty" scale...
I don’t remember judges being so overtly political, either way. But it’s probably always been there to some extent.
And if the footage of “law” students at Yale is any indication of the future, it’s not about to get any better.
If you require judges to be "loyal" to help you overturn an election, then your motives are already deeply suspect.
Now do protecting a fortified election.
How about this?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267
“that there is no credible or reliable evidence that the 2020 General Election in Nevada was affected by fraud.”
I hope that was taken out of context of misworded, because that is very sloppy. The judge could not know if there was any "credible or reliable evidence", only what was present by Trump's lawyers.
Does anyone else find it odd that nearly every time there is a slow count in an election, Democrats turn out to be the winners?
Which explains why the mainstream (and Reason too somehow) are so terrified of local offices being won by “election deniers”.
Just happened in my congressional district in maryland. Republican was about to flip the district and three days later he loses by less than 2,000 votes.
But they also gerrymandered northern Montgomery county (overflow parking for DC) into red Frederick/western maryland’s district. So I guess I should be amazed it was close as it was.
"Republicans may not take the Senate at all"
But the Democrats won't achieve a real majority either.
Right now, it's looking like the best case outcome for the Democrats in the Senate is that it remains a 50/50 split. And it's all down to what happens in the Georgia run off.
Hopefully, Trump will help out there...
.... by shutting his mouth and staying away.
Lol.
Just because the Democrat narrative worked tactically doesn't mean it was correct or have any particular implications for politics in America. Both the Republicans and the Democrats are notoriously unable to learn any lessons from science, experience or history. I am glad the Democrats lost the House and I hope they lose the Senate if only to avoid Biden getting to pick any new Supreme Court Justices for the next two years. If neither the Democrats nor the Republicans can implement any of their agenda for the next two years that's the best I can hope for.
I'm surprised Trump hasn't just created his own political party. Or religion for that matter.
He kinda has. Anti NeoCons/Neolibs
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It's apparently a lot easier to take over an existing one (or two?)
Just ask the communists how easy it was to take over the Democrat party.
Wait, does this mean the Russians interfered in the elections or not? ??????????????????
We know they did. The Senate panel said so, and now we've even got Putin oligarchs bragging about it.
Fortunately, their best efforts have not been able to swing any US election in any decisive way.
Still, their goal is not necessarily to swing the elections "their way"--simply by sowing doubt in the integrity of the election system in the US, they win regardless of the outcome. All Putin really wants is to drag the West down to his level.
The behavior of Kevin Clinesmith and Peter Strzok did more to undermine confidence in U.S. elections that a bunch of Facebook ads.
Hardly anybody has ever heard of them.
A whole new bunch of TDS-addled piles of shit, TDS-addled pile of shit.
You mean like Saddam Hussein bragged about having nukes, or at least strongly implied he did.
Reason doesn't have a clue on Trump, getting rid of his supporters and him won't be that easy.
'Blake Masters' Defeat Should End the GOP's Fealty to [...] the Big Lie'
Is the one about the Russkies, or the one regarding Hunter's laptop?
It would be a lot easier to sell the BS of "backward-looking lies about a stolen election" if the Democrats ever started supporting measures to make sure elections would be secure in the future. Instead, they block every attempt to secure them.
It's worse than that. They constantly push efforts to make elections LESS secure.
If Repubs were ever able to produce credible evidence of a stolen election "problem", I'm sure the Dems wouldn't be able to avoid addressing it in some way.
Instead, all we get is people feeling "really really strongly" that Joe Biden could never have gotten 81m votes.
There's a mountain of evidence of serious problems with our elections, but you have to look for it. It's not going to be on the CBS Evening News. The results of our broken elections are often very obvious, though—we still don't know who won the Congress, days after the election. The rest of the world laughs at us for that.
"The rest of the world laughs at us for that."
They're not laughing at CBS and the rest of the recipients of the 16 billion $US that they raked in during the campaign season of this election.
Sure, a "mountain" of evidence which is for some reason not suitable for use in court.
Brazil knew their corrupt (and who knows, he probably tried to cheat his way into getting re-elected) president had lost the same fucking day as the election.
We SHOULD be soundly mocked for the farce that is our electoral system.
Mollie Hemingway's book "Rigged," lays out the case.
Democrats and media ignore all kinds of things and have for decades, from the failure of public schools to Bill Clinton's sexual assaults.
Hemingway make out the case for how the media and big tech moved the needle for Biden, but what she describes was completely legal.
Zuckerbucks buying places for Democratic operatives to work in elections was legal, if not ethical. Paying 3 times as much to get out the vote in Democrat precincts as in Republican precincts is also legal. Changing election laws by judges and executive may not be constitutional, but no court was willing to rule against it.
The real problem is that the election laws were changed in a way as to make fraud detection impossible. That doesn't mean that there was no fraud, it only means that there is no way to know it.
Trump's problem is that he cannot accept that he lost, even if there was fraud. Trump's self image is that of a "winner" and he cannot look at anything that might suggest otherwise. He even blamed Melania for his backing of Oz, who managed to lose to a brain damaged Fetterman. Throwing your wife under the bus to avoid an unpleasant fact is not the mark of a winner.
First is it interesting that the bulk of the comments here are about the validity of the election results. Again, the losers complain.
My feeling on western state conservatism is shaped by people like Barry Goldwater and I think he would support may libertarian ideas, not all of course. So, Blake Masters' putdown of libertarian ideas seem to be at odds with the AZ's Republican history.
Also, Marc Victor's withdrawal did not seem to help Masters. First at least 2% still voted, or had voted, for Victor. Even that two percent would not have helped Masters. But where did other Libertarians go on election day? To Master?, To Kelly? Or did they stay home?
Marc Victor withdrew with about a week to go, and the vast majority of us had voted already. (I sent in my mail ballot the day I received it.) His withdrawal was for incorrect and stupid reasons and way too late to do any good whatsoever.
Marc Victor got The Kleptocracy media to say he had 17% of the vote. Suddenly he drops out and tells his dupes to vote for Bate Masters. The Austrian Anschluss tape hissed that "As always, if you or any member of team should be caught, or killed, the secretary will deny all knowledge of your actions," then hissed and burned. So even with bait-and-switch backstabbing and plausible deniability, God's Own Prohibitionists are having trouble hoodwinking women voters.
Masters' obsession with banning abortion is what cost him the US Senate seat (if he actually lost the election, which is unknown).
But it seems like everyone who hates Trump has blamed Trump for the GOP's weak showing on Tuesday (especially the Wall Street Journal).
But of course, the real reasons for Tuesday's loss were the SCOTUS decision repeallinf Roe v Wade, Lindsey Graham's bill to ban abortions nationwide, and the refusal of Republican US Senate candidates to denounce Graham's bill as unconstitutional and hypocritical (because the GOP claimed abortion is a state's rights issue for the past 50 years).
I disagree with your assessment of SCOTUS decision. SCOTUS handed the authority back to the states. Many Republican lead states then went overboard with plans to regulate abortion. Had they taken a more moderate approach such as the European laws, that many Republicans pointed to, they might have done better. But the no exception policy was never going to be acceptable.
Graham's "abortion ban" prescribed no abortion after 15 weeks. Since any restriction at all is an "abortion ban", it looks like Democrats really do want to allow abortion at any stage of pregnancy.
No one who refers to fetuses as children wants anything other than a total ban on abortion. If fetuses are children, then destroying one is murder at any stage of pregnancy.
There are two groups of people who are arguably insane on the topic of abortion. Those who believe that inducing birth in the ninth month so that the fetus can have its brains crushed as it enters the birth canal and those who believe that the morning after pill is murder, are dominating the debate.
This issue cannot be resolved until the question of when a fetus becomes a human being is answered. The old answer was at the time of the "quickening" when the fetus' movements could be felt by the mother. In the post-modern world where a Supreme Court Justice cannot tell you what a woman is, such questions can't be answered.
"The Big Lie" is the big lie.
Dave Smith is proof that reading Ron Paul is not enough.
Masters did a good job of licking the polish off of Trump's riding boots, but he lost because he did not say enough about forcing uppity females to go into labor to save America from race suicide. And where were his exhortations for a real shooting war on black, latino and hippie potheads? God's Own Prohibitionists put it in their platform and expect God's candidates to proclaim it proudly!
"The very heart and soul of Conservatism is Libertarianism."
Ronald Reagan
The 1980s were a very good period of time indeed. Although Reagan actually only slowed the rate of growth in government -- what the Democrats laughably referred to as "cuts."
In many of the races Republicans lost, they were shockingly close, like the NY gubernatorial race. Despite the censorship of social media, jailing of election integrity activists and other dissidents, and Democratic media near monopoly.
Two more years of inflation, foreign policy disasters, declining living standards, and Democratic Party fascism may be just what is needed to finish the extinction of the Democrats.
Don't count on pain inflicted on Americans to make them behave courageously. Canada is now an authoritarian nightmare with people's bank accounts being frozen because they protested Trudeau irrational shutdowns. Handguns are now illegal in Canada.
American banks are already in line to do this to Americans. Banks already won't touch marijuana dealers and soon won't work with gun manufacturers or sellers. Musk can't find advertisers willing to buy time on Twitter.
Freedom can't be won by protesting abuse. Protesting is proof of weakness and culturally Americans are impotent and ready for tyranny.
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Blake Masters, whose election day started with voting machines that were not tabulating?
You think such obvious tampering makes it LESS likely that anyone think Biden was installed in the White House? Dems suing to get undated ballots counted in PA. Do you think that makes your comrades more trustworthy, Robby?
You know the rat-fuckers were exclusively Republican. They still are but you are being rat-fucked from within and you just don't realize it yet.
It is called federalism. You know, a system where states decide their own rules.
They shouldn't. There is no excuse for mail-in and absentee ballots to be counted after the close of polls on election day. When I absentee balloted in college (late 1990s), I had to have my ballot in the mail and postmarked by a certain date to make sure it got there by election day. This same state (20-25 years later) now says that the ballot can arrive up to two weeks after election day and not even bear a postmark or a complete address. What utter and complete bullshit.
Hi there Kremlinbot. Tell your master to go fuck a sheep.
Whatever happened to all those court cases?
Pretty much all of the voting systems in the US are absolute garbage for election integrity. I don't think either party is really interested in changing that. Though a few Republicans seem to be to some extent.
It's called election integrity, Shrike. You know, a system where people can believe the election was held fairly, honestly, and has little to no cheating.
Rat fuckers, kid fucker? Pull that buttplug of a head out of your ass and smell what you've been dealing.
The (D) Senate candidate in Georgia got more votes than the Republican did DESPITE Georgia’s tough new election laws that Progs bitched about. Was that the fraud you’re crying about?
Oh wait, the Republican governor easily won against the progressive wonder woman.
You mean candidate quality matters? Ticket splitters like me are relevant again.
I didn't think we were discussing Georgia, Shrike. What Geiger is talking about are places like Arizona and Nevada. You might want to look outside Dogdick sometime.
How is questioning the election integrity of counting ballots for two weeks after an election a "Kremlinbot"? You do realize places like France and Brazil seem to have no issue counting all votes within hours of the polls closing.
"Kremlinbiot" is almost as bad as a racial slur.
Just call it the Purple state fraud then, idiot.
How Purple states are cheating because they don't vote like Red states.
I mean even Georgia admitted to thousands of double voters in 2020.
Who brought red, blue, and purple into it? There are states of both stripes (and in between) that have this issue. Even if there were no fraud at all, collecting ballots for up to two weeks after the close of polls undermines election security and integrity. It makes it so that people are less willing to accept an election result. I don't see why it's so tough for you to comprehend that, Shrike.
" You do realize places like France and Brazil seem to have no issue counting all votes within hours of the polls closing."
They need more lawyers if they aim to replicate the level of confusion and discord we manage to achieve in America.
Fuck off, Kremlinbot. Sealioning doesn't work. Nor does lying.
Why won't you answer the question? Are you getting paid by the Kremlin to post this nonsense, or are you so stupid you do it without being paid?
And your master isn't getting his thieving, murderous, racist hands on it.
I bet you have a Ukraine flag at home.
Answer what question. Are you Shrike as well, defending him? Davedave the Socksock?
Well, there is, actually. The excuse for counting them late is so Republicans can bitch about the result and make claims of fraud if they're losing.
Hence why they tend to push these same policies they later bitch about.
It allows democrats to ‘fortify’ their ballot totals as necessary.
Arizona SoS is a Democrat dumb fuck.
Another Shrike sock?
Which sock is this. Jeff or Mike? They are the ones who hate most being called sea lions and here it is being used incorrectly. Maybe sarc.
Do we have a White Mike sock in the house?
Linked above. Educate yourself shrike. Also look up the lawsuits after the election.
A balanced take.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/11/30/trumps-judicial-campaign-to-upend-the-2020-election-a-failure-but-not-a-wipe-out/amp/
Dipshit, if some of us had anything to do with Putin, it would be pissing on his grave for what he and his commie buddies did to some of our relatives in the Soviet era.
Nah, just a Twitter expat getting a hit of dopamine.
Are you going to answer the question or not? Are you a paid kremlin shill, or so unbelievably stupid you're doing it free of charge?
OK, Shrike, this is a shitty excuse for a fap sock.
Davedave,
Talk about trying too hard. Tone it down for better trolling results.
It’s an army of pedophile socks!
Some of us. But not traitors like you.
Is anyone else here old enough to remember when it was leftists who whined about being accused of being dupes of the Kremlin?
Wasn’t it literally 1,000? Like a statistically insignificant amount?
Just a sticker on his hybrid’s back window. Next to an “elect scientists!” Fauci bumper sticker.
Alabama requires a valid ID to get a ballot. The ballot is a "fill in the bubble" form for optical readers. When you leave the polling location you feed your own ballot into the reader. So, we get integrity of the electorate, a fast counting system, and the original ballot acts as the paper trail. It would be difficult to devise a better system.
Hah, knew it!
That’s exactly what we did here in Texas. It’s fucking bananas that places do it differently.
Same in Florida. And the line processes pretty quickly too
I am.
It is almost as if the "Trump Colluded with the Russians®™ to Steal the 2016 Election" propaganda campaign corrupted the ethics of many.
All those lawsuits were lost, you fascist cunt.
Here's the conclusion: "Although Trump had more judicial support than “one victory out of over 60 cases,” he lost all but one case—and the great majority of judicial votes in all cases disfavored his claims."
Does anyone else hear a child crying?
So say that next time, instead of every judge laughed him out of court based on the evidence.