Midterm Voters Choose To Protect Reproductive Freedom
Voters in California, Michigan, and Vermont embraced constitutional amendments to protect abortion rights, while Kentuckians rejected an anti-abortion amendment.

Five states had abortion-related measures on their 2022 midterm ballots, and voters in all of these states seem to have sided with reproductive freedom.
In three states—California, Michigan, and Vermont—voters endorsed constitutional amendments protecting the right to an abortion, while Kentuckians voted against an amendment stating that there is no such right.
The California amendment—Proposition 1—alters the state's constitution to include a "fundamental right to choose to have an abortion and the fundamental right to choose or refuse contraceptives." With 41 percent of votes in, it's winning 65.2 percent to 34.8 percent.
The Michigan measure—Proposal 3—amends the state's constitution to include a "right to make and effectuate decisions about all matters relating to pregnancy, including but not limited to prenatal care, childbirth, postpartum care, contraception, sterilization, abortion care, miscarriage management, and infertility care." It's passing 55.8 percent to 44.2 percent with nearly 80 percent of precincts reporting.
Vermont's Proposal 5 adds language to the state constitution stipulating that "an individual's right to personal reproductive autonomy is central to the liberty and dignity to determine one's own life course and shall not be denied or infringed unless justified by a compelling State interest achieved by the least restrictive means." With 90 percent of precincts reporting, 77 percent of voters approve.
Meanwhile, the only overtly anti-abortion measure on ballots yesterday looks to be failing. Kentucky's Amendment 2 would have added language to the state's constitution specifying that "nothing in this Constitution shall be construed to secure or protect a right to abortion or require the funding of abortion." With 86 percent of precincts reporting, the nos have it—52.5 to 47.4 percent.
Montana's "Medical Care Requirements for Born-Alive Infants Measure" seems to be failing as well. This would allow the state to bring criminal charges against doctors who didn't do everything possible to save the lives of any infant "born alive" after an induced labor, a Cesarean section, an abortion, or any other means. As opponents of the measure pointed out, infanticide is already illegal and doctors are already supposed to do everything possible to save the lives of viable infants who are born, no matter the circumstances. But there are tragic instances in which an infant is born so early or with severe birth defects so severe that it simply cannot survive on its own. Doctors and families in these cases may opt against prolonging their lives by any means possible.
If this measure passed, families would not be able to comfort, cuddle, baptize, or otherwise care for infants who would soon die, because doctors would have to spend this time attempting doomed resuscitating measures. And in some cases, this could mean forcing an infant in great pain to suffer longer before an inevitable death. While the measure was sold as a way to care for and protect babies, it could actually have resulted in cruelty toward infants and their families. With 80 percent of votes in, a majority of voters—52.6 percent—are rejecting the proposal.
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States should have always had the option to determine their own abortion laws.
Note, I made a more libertarian statement than you ever have and in a lot fewer words.
ENB cannot help but push her progressive leftist cred. Any restriction on abortion is wrong to her and the act of a few but pass a vote in the bluest of blue areas and suddenly it's the will of the voters everywhere.
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exactly right. Author looks at these issues from a leftist start, therefore she never gets the other side of an argument. Reason is unreasonable.
Horseshit... Every Woman's who gets pregnant doesn't belong to the State Legislature.
Until you can make a reasonable argument that anyone else is concerned in the matter it a case of Individual Liberty of one's OWN F'En self.
Every Woman’s who gets pregnant doesn’t belong to the State Legislature.
So she belongs to the federal government? Because that's where the power sat before under RoeV.Wade.
BS! It was a CONSTITUTIONAL Individual-Rights Protection...
Just keep spreading the LIE maybe the idiots will buy it.
....The 'feds' couldn't legislate abortion under Roe v Wade either.
Thanks to brain-dead Pro-Life (Anti-Individual-Liberty) now every pregnant Woman is dictated by Gov-GUN threats. ([WE] mobs RULE!)
Late term abortion ban didn't exist?
Federally no... That's what Roe v Wade ruled.
U know this; And you also know this 'States rule over Federal' is just a BS deception ad.
No it wasn't. It was a vague guideline around viability that still allowed states to set limits under those parameters while also allowing federal regulations around it as well.
How are you so uninformed on this issue?
Or maybe you don't know this. Roe v Wade specifically gave late-term to the State (NOT the Federal). And with it's dismissal FEDERAL dictation is now on the table as actually intended to be by Pro-Life dictators.
"So she belongs to the federal government? Because that’s where the power sat before under RoeV.Wade."
Jesus H. Christ, you pathetically self-righteous power-pig bitch! Women and their bodies belong to themselves as free individuals! That's where the power properly sat (with lots of stupid carve-outs) before the power pigs had a hissy fit, and made it worse!
QUESTIONS THAT THE FANATICS WON’T EVER ANSWER: What do YOU think that the punishment should be for deliberately killing a fertilized human egg cell? Ditto the punishments for likewise killing a fertilized egg of an ape... A monkey... A rat... An insect... If your Righteous Punishments From on High are DIFFERENT in these cases, then WHY? WHERE do the differences come from? And what gives YOU (or the 51% of the voters) the right to punish the rest of us?
Never, ever, have I gotten any serious answers, when I pose these questions, about what the PUNISHMENTS should be! (Could it be that the fanatics don’t want us to focus on THEIR obsession, which is their smug and self-righteous “punishment boners”?). Also, the unwillingness to answer questions is strongly indicative of authoritarianism. At the root here is the unmistakable attitude of “Because I said so, peons! Do NOT question your Rulers!”
The issue isn't a fertilized egg, many of which fail to implant, cease their development, and are naturally lost. The question is about a developing human, attached to the uterus of the woman.
The first question is hard, because society has just become used to that type of murder. To begin to mete out the punishment for a woman killing her unborn child, in the way she would be if it was after delivery, is a step that would engender much hand-wringing.
But letting it happen, without consequence, is letting the victim not have their justice...and there IS a victim.
As for the stupidity of the second part; "killing a fertilized egg of an ape… A monkey… A rat… An insect…", or the fully grown version, is punished as laws describe, should it be done in a cruel manner.
"...should it be done in a cruel manner." Yes, I agree, deliberate cruelty (to humans or to pain-sensing animals) should be punished. Totally subjective, yes. But those who are cruel to pain-sensing animals, are readily willing to do the same to humans.
Where does that leave us with respect to recently-fartilized human egg smells? And to bacteria? Which can sense more pain, and who knows, and how can they PROVE what they "know", in a data-driven manner?
Murdering plants and animals DELIBERATELY in order to EAT them stops beating hearts and flowing sap!!! STOPPING this utter MADNESS remains essential to establishing the universality of living-being rights!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_vegetarianism … Jain vegetarianism is the Truth and The Way!!! Eat ONLY fruits that have fallen from the tree, lest ye HURT the tree during the picking of the fruit! And do NOT eat the seeds! Eating seeds prevents new plants from being born!
(All of this deep disrespect for universal LIFE inherent in ALL belief systems excluding strict Jain vegetarianism is the root cause of ALL human evils, including genocide, bad haircuts, torture-rape, sloppy housekeeping, and necrophilia!)
NOTHING will get us there (to PROPER life-respect), short of the absolute worshit, not only of recently-fartilized egg smells, but also, of ALL living beings!!! From the cited article about the Jains and their MUCH higher standards than the rest of us, see…
“Strict Jains do not consume food that has been stored overnight, as it possesses a higher concentration of micro-organisms (for example, bacteria, yeast etc.) as compared to food prepared and consumed the same day.”
Bacteria have feelings and rights too, ya know!!!
sure ... as long as you're performing your own abortion
Or finding someone else who agrees to do the job for one's self.
Which is a long ways away from Gov-GUN poking everyone over it.
Humorously; The defiant (UN-coerced) pregnant woman is going to be shot dead by the same Gov-GUNS touting a B.S. line of saving life.
It's 'our' *belief* in your personal life or death by Gov-GUNS.
....because; that is what separates 'government' from any other run of mill group/business. The death-threatening conformance of a monopoly of legal GUN-forces.
ya I mean if a neighbor will do it who isn't a doctor beholden to the state legislature
Luckily, now in Michigan, anyone can perform an abortion without fear of prosecution.
moar Governor WineMom!
Gov-Legislated Heath-care....
Yep; Sounds like the socialistic theology of the left.
Only Gov-GUN education can dictate who and who isn't a 'doctor'!
Obviously 'the people' are too stupid for freedom... /s
obviously.
Same deal for moms of young children, right? They can be such a nuisance. And since moms don't belong to the states or the feds, what they do at home is nobodies business.
Well sure! Anyone who supports the death penalty for mass murderers, also supports the death penalty for those who spit on the sidewalk! It is known! God and Trump (but I repeat myself) told me so!
As long as what they do; they do strictly to themselves.
If you want the fetus to be someone else then allow it to be SET FREE.
But it's not her OWN F'En self.
There is another life involved.
You cannot deny that another life is snuffed when an abortion happens.
Your reliance on it not being "viable" won't help you when you meet your maker.
Paraphrased, “Pregnant women aren’t Individuals with any Self-Rights!! That other ‘life’ that has no inherent (naturally granted) right to life is *entitled* to enslave it’s host… That State-owned-womb/incubator!! Because she isn’t a PERSON but a Slave of the State/Growth…”
Yep; That’s exactly what the nasty Supreme Court said to a T (termed as ‘potential’ life)…
Now; where that’s explained in the US Constitution is anyone’s imagination. Never-mind any Constitutional explanation some-justices just decided to make-up the sh*t and pretend we’re HONORABLE justices enforcing the Supreme Law of the Land??? B.S…… It’s down-right worse than pretending the Commerce clause gives way to federally economic dictatorship/ National Socialism.
Let your Maker defend Herself / Himself / Itself. HOW MUCH horrible violence has been committed by "God's Little Helpers", who IMAGINE (without demonstrable data) that God DESPERATELY needs THEIR violent and-or coercive Help? WHY does a supposedly omniscient and omnipotent God need YOUR coercive and violent "help", as opposed to LOVING help?
"Religious Murder and Mayhem" book, https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1573927783/reasonmagazinea-20/ Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness Paperback – May 30, 2002
"States should have always had the option to determine their own abortion laws."
States should have always had the option to determine their own womb-slave laws, and slavery in general! AND their own laws, freely chosen, one way or the other, on brain cannibalism of the living! How libertarian!
http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/#_Toc117957741 = The Sociobiology of Abortion
I don't understand how libertarians can support abortion. Just because they use Orwellian terms like "reproductive autonomy" and "pro-choice" doesn't change the fact that it is murder. I absolutely believe adults should be able to do whatever they want with their own bodies, but abortion clearly involves another body.
Move to Idaho!
And “raped women can’t get pregnant”, they say! https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/idaho-lawmaker-still-thinks-rape-cant-result-pregnancy-and-its-2016/ “Nielson’s comments echoed those of former Missouri Rep. Todd Akin, who once memorably said on a television interview, ‘If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.’”
Republican “facts” and “logic” summarized: Abortion-prohibiting laws will need NO exceptions for rape, because raped women don’t get pregnant! If raped women DO get preggers, it MUST mean that they ENJOYED it, so it wasn’t REALLY rape, then, was it?
And do you want POLITICIANS to decide, instead of moms and their doctors? Speaking of clueless politicians, see https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/23/idaho-republican-anti-abortion-swallow-camera , “Anti-abortion lawmaker gets anatomy lesson – women cannot swallow camera for exam.” (“Pill-cam”). It seems Idaho representative Vito Barbieri wasn’t listening in the third grade, when another student asked the teacher, “If babies come from mommy’s tummy, how come they don’t get digested?” And he’s not done ANY even vaguely serious studying of health matters since then, either! This clearly shows the UTTER medical ignorance of many power-hungry politicians, who would STILL over-regulate medicine, in order to pander to fanatics! Ignorance for the win, over decency, humility, and self-restraint!
Last but not least, ALSO why you should move to Idaho... They kill mothers there, to preserve non-viable fartilized egg smells! Butt at least they are Pure and Holy!
OK-squared, a BUNCH more links and comments: https://reason.com/2022/07/19/idaho-state-gop-says-abortion-should-be-illegal-even-when-used-to-save-a-womans-life/ "The Idaho GOP's platform throws this reasoning out with the bath water. According to the Idaho Reports Blog, an amendment to allow exceptions for "lethal danger" was proposed, with supporting delegates citing ectopic pregnancy concerns. That amendment was defeated 412–164. " Ectopic pregnancies will now be a DEATH SENTENCE in Idaho, 'cause of SINNERS who DARE to suffer random ectopic pregnancies!!! And YOU (extremists), will be there (right, rightist?) cheering ON the death of the "sinning" mother!!!
"I absolutely believe adults should be able to do whatever they want with their own bodies"
FETAL EJECTION..............????
Oh whoops; that kind of demolishes the Pro-Life movement doesn't it.
Libertarians recognize that there are two entities and recognize that this is not a cut-and-dried issue.
ENB is not a libertarian. She's a progressive who also loves prostitution.
FREE the entities!
Elizabeth Nolan Brown is a sick, twisted clump of cancer, and has no right to life.
I don't particularly care about abortion, but if it's your motivating force in life... your life is wrong.
Your disdain for Republicans is noted.
Someone tell the child molester who is nothing but a gray box to kill itself
Why so cranky, Nardz?
Pink trickle blues?
Evil Nadless Nardless the Nasty NAZI is as Nadless Nardless the Nasty NAZI does!
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1590312282059575299?t=CR-9IiDWYSBtgC7rm9LVwQ&s=19
This is why everybody hates Libertarians. It would be funny if Ralph Warnock were not a communist
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“They should have run better candidates” you tell your starving kids
When you’re in the swamp, Liberty is simply voting against communism
Once you are out of the swamp, vote your conscience.
But until the debate issue is fixed its fruitless
Communism is the immediate threat.
Republicans are not entitled to the votes of libertarians. And people are allowed to make terrible voting choices, regardless. Republicans would have done much better with a candidate who could elucidate a pro-freedom message with much less baggage than Walker, but that's the candidate they chose in the primaries.
Cool story, bro.
Yea, fuck the consequences of narcissistic self righteousness!
You are advocating against risk analysis, not voting for conscience. Letting democrats continue their policies is detrimental to everybody. The next 2 years will be worse than the last 2. Voting against your interests over silly reasons in a throw away vote essentially makes sure this continues.
People tend to make this decision politically where they won't do so individually. If you have a boss that asks you to perform a task you disagree with because you have a slightly better solution, you dont just quit your job or work against your boss at risk of losing your job.
Expected value estimates show voting for someone you agree with 60% of the time who has a chance to win is far better than voting someone you agree with 80% of the time at 2%.
Sometimes you have to make a rational decision in life. Being a spoiler to allow bad democrat policies to continue (green energy, higher taxes, inflation, reducing energy production) is quite frankly retarded.
Even voting for split power structures is a better option. Throwing a vote at a 2% candidate is fucking retarded. Your statement has far less effect than the results that come from that statement. It will make people turn from your statement.
The only decent outcome here is walker abd Warnock probably go to a run off as both are under 50%
In Georgia, the same libertarian candidate who forced a runoff in the Senate race 2 years ago barely got any votes in the gubernatorial race. The reason is that Brian Kemp has been so good, from a libertarian standpoint, there's no reason to vote for the libertarian candidate.
Free Speech really is worth nothing if you're forced into using your greatest exercise of political power on a shitty binary choice, where neither option is respecting your concerns. Beyond that, telling me I have to vote Republican to save the country is not any different than Democrats telling me I have to vote Democrat to save Democracy. It's bullshit fearmongering and hatemongering to force people into conforming to the existing power structures. It's anathema to the idea that we're free if we have to swear allegiance to one of two teams.
Also, fuck both you and Nardz because I voted for Herschel, despite how shitty a candidate he was. I just don't understand the idea that somehow Republicans are entitled to libertarian votes when they aren't courting them.
“Beyond that, telling me I have to vote Republican to save the country is not any different than Democrats telling me I have to vote Democrat to save Democracy.”
Normally I’d agree completely with what you’ve said, but at this point in time, without a strong check on Democrat’s power, they will continue to do immense damage to this country.
Besides all the current things occurring, like using federal law enforcement and bureaucracy against political enemies, driving inflation up to enrich themselves, and using fascist tactics with social media companies to control speech, what do you think happens if they succeed with all their climate change agendas?
Everyone (who can even afford it) will be forced to drive a car that must connect to the grid to operate, and they will control the grid. We already know they believe they have the authority to force us to stay at home, or only go to approved locations. Now they are putting in place the mechanisms to make that quite easy to enforce.
It seems like that's going to be required before people wake up to what's going on.
And then it’s too late.
"a[n]d Warnock probably go to a run off as both are under 50%"
Thus forcing on the voters the very binary choice you advocate.
With this difference: That the 3rd party (or at least one third party) was given a fair chance the first time around and only got cut off from the ballot because he wasn't in the top 2 in the first round of voting.
So Georgia Libertarians can vote their conscience and then, second time around, hold their nose and vote R.
So now there's a runoff, isn't there? The libertarian voters can switch to the Republican now that the L is out of the race.
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This is what masturbating while your people's lives are destroyed looks like:
https://twitter.com/LPGeorgia/status/1590124435373453313?t=Hi_jLZcJDTKywxd3tmoqaA&s=19
Who voted Libertarian today? ?♀️?
The LP are the same as the cops in Uvalde
I had no Team L person to vote for. 🙁
Same here. Most of my ballot was GOP candidates running unopposed.
Ls need to run local.
They are a suicide pact nationally.
^ This
Whining, disaffected, obsolete right-wingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.
But will you shove it down their throats in a homoerotic ritual?
Straight ticket LP on every office we had a candidate, and we had a lot of candidates.
A mix of Democrats and Republicans for the remaining offices, but if it was a toss-up I went Democrat. Because some Republicans think they own my vote and that attitude needs to be punished.
Thanks to people like you, it won't fucking matter again. May your dickless, self loathing service to totalitarianism be rewarded with pain beyond anything you've ever experienced before.
Thanks for the kind remarks, Nardz. Sometimes I get despondent and feel like my LP votes don't matter and no one cares.
Then you come by to remind me that someone does care. I still think it's a stretch to say we brought down the Republicans for good, but I appreciate you trying to make me feel better.
I don't care about your vote, I care about your pathetic narcissism and lack of character.
Eat lead.
I mean, nobody owns your vote but you, but holy shit balls, just write in someone or leave it blank. Don’t actively vote for actual no shit totalitarian authoritarian socialist.
From what I understand of measure passed in Michigan, it may render abortionists immune to malpractice, and generally is about the most extreme pro-abortion regime in the world.
The voters chose to establish a death cult as the state religion.
Or you could just admit to yourself that *YOUR BELIEFS* shouldn't be dictated on everyone else at the point of a Gov-GUN.
Okay, lets abort you. It can't be murder because you're only a clump of cells and not even conscious a third of the day. Anyone who objects is infringing on our beliefs.
Bingo
Hey Dumb*sses... FYI: I'm not a *part* of a pregnant woman..
So apparently; I've already been aborted from the womb...
But don't let blatant reality get in the way your unicorn fairy-tale land.
The idea that you have a right to live is just a belief of yours that you want to impose on everyone else.
The argument that you are so proud of is rather similar to the vitriol aimed at the abolitionists leading up to and during the Civil War. It is argument that can justify any number of horrors in a conflict of rights between people.
My right to life isn't dependent on others enslavement... (i.e. an *entitlement*). Leftard indoctrination 101 is what you're selling.
And if my life does become dependent on life-support then plug-pulling decisions are *NOT* going to be made by [WE] mob ARROGANT IGNORANT POWER-MAD freaks; it will be decided by my IMMEDIATE FAMILY where such **PERSONAL** life decisions should remain.
“My right to life isn’t dependent on others enslavement…”
By this reasoning a parent could leave their baby behind a dumpster.
Is it sensible to run around screaming 'murder' if someone does?
Is it sensible to run around screaming 'baby' inside a woman?
Do 'babies' usually crawl up inside women for life?
Try meeting reality at least part-way huh?
Instead of making imaginary equivalencies to excuse your dictation.
Some people are now using finances as a reason to abort, based on this simple truth then we should abort anyone over 70 since that is when most people become a medical and financial burden on society. Abortions for everyone. The Screams you hear in the night are the elderly being shreded by a giant blender just as they do to babies in the womb
Canada is leading the way in convincing its chronically unhealthy to off themselves as a savings to the State.
The final-blessing on [WE] mob ingrained thinking....
Genocide...
Funny how Pro-Life is all about [WE] mobs making **PERSONAL** life decisions for every pregnant woman instead of Individual Liberty and Justice for all.
California is the same abortion any time anywhere and no consequences to anyone even if the abortion is done out of malice. and no consequences for giving birth to deformed children from the mother for taking drugs. its a vile law
But we were told that if the States could decide, abortion would be banned. Did someone lie to us?
Power-Hungry Politicians.
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1590327438986268672?t=bjerUnWcE9PbemD02uarfQ&s=19
New York saw this and voted for it last night. It really is a cult.
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It's going to get a lot worse worse before it gets better.
It's not going to get better.
Well, maybe not for the US in it's current iteration, but one day.
https://twitter.com/conservmillen/status/1590337113383669760?t=J72lW9-g3UPrsBpPFW4n_w&s=19
Pretty incredible that the “we’ll make you poorer and less safe, but we’ll let you kill your baby” message seems to work for a lot of people.
Pretty sensible that people didn't buy the B.S. that your unicorn imagination was a 'baby' just because your imagination insists it is.
Dictionary and sonogram conspiracies, right?
Umm. Biology and science say what is. Not a magical birth canal fairy.
But, but, but "THE SCIENCE" is why Gov-GUNS must DICTATE!!!
Leftard theology and a denial-ism about it to boot.
If you cannot support ?baby? freedom. (i.e. Fetal Ejection)
UR supporting Gov-GUN FORCED reproduction.
Shut the fuck up, you raging lunatic. The vast, vast, VAST majority of women who get pregnant do so under their own power, by choosing to engage in an activity that is biologically designed to produce children. There is no 100% effective birth control currently available, and that's a fact that's been known for decades. Zero people are being forced to reproduce. They chose to assume that risk when they decided to have sex.
So Cronut, are you a harem-gathering elephant seal, or what? Lying Lothario who knocks them up using deception, and then moves on to the next victim of your lies? If so, then I could see why you oppose "abortion as veto power" for lied-to women!
THE “LYING LOTHARIO” PROBLEM: Well, a lot of pro-lifers are men, and I would bet that even those pro-lifers who are women? Very few of them have found themselves in the following shoes: Lying Lothario endlessly says “Love ya, babe, Love-ya, Love-ya, Love-ya, NOW can I get down your pants?” After she falls for him and he gets her pregnant, the abuse (from him) begins, and she finds out that he has 7 other “Love-ya, Babe, my One and Only” babes on the side, 4 of them also pregnant by him! So abortion is “veto power” against scumbucket men. If these behavioral genes get passed on and on, humans will evolve into something like elephant seals, where the men most skilled at lying and fighting off the other lying men, get a harem of 40 babes, and the rest of the men get nothing (other than caring for the resulting babies)! So abortion is empowering women to fight off this sort of thing… And reserve their baby-making powers for men who are less lying scum, and will actually make good fathers to the children.
So they want to “capitally punish” the “offenders” (abortion-providing doctors, so as to “dry up” the sources for safe abortions), while they have never been in the above-described (lied-to female) shoes! Willfully blind self-righteousness, basically…
Or maybe some of the anti-abortion men fantasize and lust after being the elephant-seal-like men who can gather the baby-making powers of a harem of 40 lied-to women, under the new scheme of things?
I am glad that SOME you oppose theft. Theft by deception is also theft; I hope you can see that! When a severely lying Lothario-type dude (as described above) appropriates the baby-making powers of a deceived young woman, that, too, is theft! Abortion is anti-theft, when a deceived woman no longer wants to rent out her womb to a deceptive scumbag, prospective god-awful supposed "father" of a sperm donor!
Those who are anti-abortion unmarried men should be out there desperately courting women who have already been deceived by scumbucket men, and volunteering to raise these unborn children (who are NOT your biological offspring), to fend off a HUGE root cause of abortion, and to put your money where your mouth is! And married anti-abortion men? Check with your wives; see if they mind you donating all of your spare time and money to helping out these future unmarried moms! THESE actions will relieve the pressures towards abortions!
Helping out pregnant women till the give birth, and then abandoning the support of said women (immediately or near-immediately post-birth), scarcely substitutes at ALL, for the loving support of a husband or father for 18 years, by the way!
Yes, there ARE fathers who magnanimously raise not-their-children, and do it well! God, Government Almighty, Allah, Zeus, Buddha, Jesus, etc., all please BLESS them, really and truly! And hopefully these fathers will teach their children NOT to be, or to welcome, “Lying Lothario”! Cultural as well as biological evolution can fend OFF the “Lying Lothario” problem! ALL methods need to be brought to bear; this is a SERIOUS problem here!
Abortions outlawed is a "pro-Lying-Lothario" measure, intended (or effectively intended) to turn humans into harem-fighting elephant seals! He who lies the BEST, and deceives the MOST women, into getting pregnant, WINS the genetic lottery! Meek and mild, honest men who would make good fathers? Well, WHO CARES about THEM?!?! (Or their interests in passing on their genes, which affect the behaviors of future generations?)
Are we not men? We are devolving! Devolving (especially if we ban abortions as “veto power” for lied-to mothers) into elephant-seal-like beasts, trampling the already-born babies underfoot and underfin, while fighting over mating rights, rather than looking to perform our duties as fathers!
See http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/#_Toc117957741 for more...
Paraphrased, "Make sex ILLEGAL out of wed-lock and punish the one's who get knocked-up..."
Your religious puritan desires couldn't be on a bigger display.
Yes, this! Naked "punishment boners" are kinda obscene! If you MUST have a "punishment boner"... Your church or mosque or temple or some such REQUIRES you to have one... Then at least have the decency to try and COVER UP at least a wee tad!
Yes, making sex out of wedlock illegal and encouraging personal responsibility for your own risky behavior are exactly the same.
You're a fucking moron.
"...encouraging personal responsibility for your own risky behavior..."
Yes, Mother Nature and-or God have designed nature and our bodies such that too much sugar-eating (and then not brushing your teeth) causes cavities, bearing living bacteria! So the wanton killing of teeth bacteria caused by YOUR irresponsibility should be PUNISHED by denying you access to dentists, and possibly also meting out "capital punishment" to murderous dentists!!!
Idiot ideology runs amuck, in an unbalanced manner!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_vegetarianism … Jain vegetarianism is the Truth and The Way!!! Eat ONLY fruits that have fallen from the tree, lest ye HURT the tree during the picking of the fruit! And do NOT eat the seeds! Eating seeds prevents new plants from being born!
(All of this deep disrespect for universal LIFE inherent in ALL belief systems excluding strict Jain vegetarianism is the root cause of ALL human evils, including genocide, bad haircuts, torture-rape, sloppy housekeeping, and necrophilia!)
NOTHING will get us there (to PROPER life-respect), short of the absolute worshit, not only of recently-fartilized egg smells, but also, of ALL living beings!!! From the cited article about the Jains and their MUCH higher standards than the rest of us, see…
“Strict Jains do not consume food that has been stored overnight, as it possesses a higher concentration of micro-organisms (for example, bacteria, yeast etc.) as compared to food prepared and consumed the same day.”
Bacteria have feelings and rights too, ya know!!!
At the end of the day, SOME things need to be left to us and God, us and our conscience! When ALL "bad" things are outlawed, and all "GOOD" things are mandated, we have ZERO freedoms left! Divorce is bad! Over-eating and getting fat is bad! Do you want to outlaw divorce and getting fat? HOW MUCH POWER do you want and supposedly "need", power pig? HOW many punishments do you want to mete out? WHY can't "small government" be acceptable to you?
LOL... [WE] mob RULE = ?personal? responsibility??
Give me a F'En break....
Any non-moron would conclude that *personal* responsibility doesn't require 'outside' intervention (i.e. decision making).
Turns out bigotry, backwardness, and superstition may not be as popular -- especially in successful, modern, educated communities -- as some people believed and hoped.
Oh no, last night proved bigotry, backwardness, and superstition were extremely popular. Especially in New York.
But enough about urban ghettos.
Last night does echo of a Triumph of the Will.
https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1590207792723677184?t=YlnN8AnyVfQQDNLtinDt6w&s=19
Not gonna lie: it seems pretty freaking weird given the massive drop in Biden’s popularity/approval relative to 2020 that we seem to be having the exact same election results today as we did in 2020.
The GOP knew there was a massive fraud factor to overcome, and they still fucked around in too many places.
"Five states had abortion-related measures on their 2022 midterm ballots, and voters in all of these states seem to have sided with reproductive freedom."
I guess "reproductive freedom" polls better than "irresponsible fucking".
The political class will NEVER allow ANY narrative which involves the phrase “irresponsible fucking.”
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1590249264592355328?t=KjVK9hiJcxOwsjZAHR3wgQ&s=19
So none of these Democrat incumbents lose a governor's seat or senate seat?
How does that happen with the most unpopular president in modern times going into a midterm election?
This just doesn't happen. At least, until 2020, it didn't.
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1590249147269279745?t=6FN5jUv67m4NGmKdozqTRQ&s=19
"This may be the strangest election I've ever seen."
Steven Moore nailed it on Fox News. Despite 75% of voters saying country is on 'wrong track' and majority 'angry' about inflation/economy, not a single incumbent governor or senator gets flipped?
How does that happen? ?
Democrat numbers will decrease for 24 as they will be forced to admit to a recession next year and you will see the same fortified results.
Trump is the Democrats' ace in the hole. They are counting on him to grab the 2024 Republican Presidential nomination and lead Republicans over a cliff. Biden's DoJ will keep their hands off Trump until he has a chance to perform this service.
But I thought they caught him red-handed with boxes of confidential docs in Mar-a-Lago?
That's not inconsistent with waiting until the time is right.
its simple 75% do believe the country is on the wrong track but they believe it is the other political party taking it there not their own.
it also helps when some state shave a check for entire party votes vs having to check each one. Americans are lazy and stupid.
Everyone hates Congress, but almost everyone keeps reelecting their guy.
New Mexico is a prime example. Michelle Lujan Grisham sent a state that in the best of times regularly comes in last in everything from education to child well-being plunging even further thanks to her draconian COVID restrictions. But she handily won re-election. Nearly every rural county in NM voted red. But the urban areas like Santa Fe, Taos, Albuquerque, and Las Cruces carried the day with their denser populations that are largely progressive.
My favorite is a judge ruling no extended voting hours in Arizona despite 25% of machines not working half the day in maricopa. The election office is even not promising to count the provisional ballots and may require a lawsuit in those precincts. The issues were far more dispersed to areas of conservative votes.
Our local county election official in California has stated that they quit counting when the remaining votes are " statisticaly" impossible to change the outcome. That said since we have to sign are name on the cover of our mail in only ballots they know what party you are and can set it aside until they reach the "statistical" magic number they need.
https://twitter.com/extradeadjcb/status/1590350511748042752?t=FnvHSTFBuM00np0MNVk_Tw&s=19
"guys it's these toxic republican personalities, it's the Brand, they're not responding to our Brand"
look what they do when you give them direct power, this is a people at open war with God
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What happened to the magic birth canal that confers personhood once you pass through it?
I guess that's a lie too. Babies are not even entitled to protection outside the womb. Next up, mentally handicapped and disabled people at any stage of life. Then, we can start working on killing old people.
We should be very clear here: there is NO "right to abortion" and there should not be one. The right for a woman to obtain an abortion is a negative one in the sense that government at every level should be forbidden from interfering in medical procedures decided upon between a woman and her doctor. Claiming the right to anything implies that if you can't find a doctor to perform an abortion the law can require doctors to perform them and punish them for refusing. It also implies that if you can't afford an abortion you want, then society will have to provide you with an abortion. The list goes on and it does not approach "liberty" at any point. In the same sense that the law can forbid murder but carves out exceptions for justifiable homicide and self-defense; abortion law can restrict the procedures somewhat short of total bans with no exceptions and punishing doctors for performing them.
Sometimes when the holy warriors get a bit too personal, the womenfolk push back. Kentucky-born Loretta Lynn is smiling down from heaven:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoqErv8bdcI
Women folk are the staunchest supporters of the holy warriors and religious ways.
Try going without a burka in Saudi Arabia, it's the women who will be in an uproar.
lol states voting on matters is the design.
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can't imagine there are more than a handful of rape-pregnancies or incest-pregnancies in a year what are the stats?
So? All non-rape failures of birth control should result in birth? An acorn is not an oak tree. Men don't have to deal with the results of birth control failure. Neither should women, particularly when it comes to first-trimester pregnancies which are not people- whether or not they have genetically human DNA. Your religion, which says an acorn is an oak tree, can not be forced on others unless we are a theocracy. This is not yet a Christian/Catholic Dominionist society, even though Ron DeSantis wants it that way.
“Men don’t have to deal with the results of birth control failure.”
Never heard of child support?
Objective: We attempted to determine the national rape-related pregnancy rate and provide descriptive characteristics of pregnancies that result from rape.
Study design: A national probability sample of 4008 adult American women took part in a 3-year longitudinal survey that assessed the prevalence and incidence of rape and related physical and mental health outcomes.
Results: The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator. Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion.
Conclusions: Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency. It is a cause of many unwanted pregnancies and is closely linked with family and domestic violence. As we address the epidemic of unintended pregnancies in the United States, greater attention and effort should be aimed at preventing and identifying unwanted pregnancies that result from sexual victimization.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8765248/
Federalism is working
So the system worked...
"reproductive freedom"????
This is such a stupid buzz phrase.
Is a fetus a life or isn't it? If yes, when?
You that are preaching individual freedom forget that not only does the philosophy of negative rights enshrine personal liberty it also enshrines the right to life. Those that insist that life starts at conception forget that not everybody agrees that a fertilized egg with a 35%-65% chance of implantation is a life.
So when do we sit down with extremists from both sides and the larger group of moderates to lay down an answer to this question of when life begins? Or...We leave it to the states to democratically decide for themselves.
...and I don't want to hear the constitution says this or the bible says that...They don't.
Blatant Reality. (minus the propaganda)
If you cannot support ?baby? freedom (i.e. Fetal Ejection)
UR supporting Gov-GUN FORCED reproduction.
The topic is so polluted by fairy-tale stories and indoctrinated assumptions that the proposed solution doesn't even fit the concern.
Ask; Is it really reasonable thought to auto-assume that separating 'lifes' is murder? Is that like some sort of love-struck emotionally unstable teenage fantasy during a break-up or what? "My life depends on being with Mr. Right!"???
The proposed solution should at the VERY least fit the concern. Doctors can't *intentionally* kill a fetus. Problem Solved? Concern Addressed? Yep and Yep... But that's not the proposed legislation. The proposal is to eliminate separation PERIOD.
There... No Gov-GUN packing Power-Mad B.S. of MORE dictation and less Individual Liberty.
And yes the Constitution does say...
4th Amendment - "The right of the people to be secure in their persons"
13th Amendment - "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States"
So even if you want to play the my unicorn is a person game; The constitution strictly forbids holding one in servitude to the other.
There is no solution to that question. There is no compromise available no matter how rationally the two sides argue. When significant proportions of the citizenry cannot agree on a definition then any law resulting from that situation will be a very bad law. The only two options are two define abortion as murder or to admit that some abortions are "justifiable homicide" legally speaking. The only option at this point is a legal compromise not based on any fundamental principle: total bans are unconscionable, there is no fundamental "right" to abortion; the state should not be involved in the medical decision except perhaps for reasonable limitations and exceptions.
Or maybe just accepting the reality that ONE person exists until TWO persons can be accomplished in *REALITY* (viability).
Did I 'murder' my fingernail or just commit 'justifiable homicide'?
Well; IT'S MY F'EN fingernail not YOURS...
Or maybe just accepting the reality that ONE person exists until TWO persons can be accomplished in *REALITY* (viability).
I've been trying for years to get a clear answer on this. You seem quite sure of yourself... at what point is the clump of cells viable? Serious question. And a fair question. According to the *checks NYT Style Guide* scientific consensus, that's around 24 weeks. What say you?
Fetal Ejection at will; and everyone can *know* for sure instead of “believing” something without any burden of reliable proof.
No need for guess work or elitist self-serving ‘scientific consensus’ trying to wield Gov-Gun power for lock-step conformance.
However; I think you’ll find that most who aren’t entirely wrapped up in being Gov-Gun Power-Mad happy can comfortable settle with the Roe v Wade ruling even though it granted State’s Gov-GUN authority to force reproduction after viability chopping Liberty short.
But heck; if it has to move one way or the other it should move towards MORE Individual Liberty not MORE Gov-Guns. So if Pro-Life wants to push the issue then Fetal Ejection (Individual Liberty) and ownership of one’s own body should prevail.
I don’t think Pro-Life Power-Mad fans even grasps the danger they present.. Gov-GUNS own’s *that* part of you? It’s okay because your not an individual but that *part* we make up in our heads is an *individual* the Gov-GUNS need to protect against you???
It’s Catch-21 for anyone who believes people should OWN themselves instead of Government owning them. Did you drink today? Did you smoke today? Did you sleep for 8hrs? Maybe you 'killed' your 'liver' we call a 'baby' so out the door with Individual Liberty. It's "for the children" don't ya know....
Sell your souls to the [WE] foundation... Because YOU don't own you; [WE] own you......../s